how do i separate the gui item model from the held item model with a resource pack | Blockbench | Page 1

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 4:26 PM

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i have made a nice held item model for the item i am working on but the gui item model isn't what I'm wanting, is there a way to add a separate gui model to the pack?

Solution: https://canary.discord.com/channels/314078526104141834/1387623540856979536

autumn ferryBOT Jun 25, 2025, 4:26 PM

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runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 4:41 PM

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https://discord.com/channels/314078526104141834/1252038306628243598

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#1129320551178055760 message

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I have added the following to my BB model's json

"loader": "neoforge:composite",
"children": {
    "gui" {
        "parent": "trackChibbi.json"
    }
},```

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File architecture:
3D Track n Rails/assets/create/models/item

track.json
trackChibbi.json
3D Track n Rails/assets/create/textures/item/standard_track
standard_track.png
standard_trackChibbi.png

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📎 trackChibbi.json 📎 track.json

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I am attempting to replace only the displayed GUI model of track.json with trackChibbi.json

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currently track.json is working and is being rendered properly in game (see image 1)
however im trying to replace (image 2) with (image 3)'s model

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 5:22 PM

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runic prawn I have added the following to my BB model's json ``` "loader": "neoforge:composi...

i fixed my syntax and now ive got a nowhere cube

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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runic prawn I have added the following to my BB model's json ``` "loader": "neoforge:composi...

replaced my code with this

"children": {
    "held": {
        "parent": "create:track"
    },
    "gui":{
        "parent": "create:trackChibbi"
    }
},```
no change in game

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 5:55 PM

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runic prawn replaced my code with this ```"loader": "neoforge:composite", "children": { ...

Idk how specific neoforge etc. are, but I know in vanilla using capital letters in file names or reference to file names invalidates the whole file.

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:06 PM

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runic prawn File architecture: `3D Track n Rails/assets/create/models/item` > track.json > t...

changed to
File architecture:
3D Track n Rails/assets/create/models/item

track.json
track_chibbi.json
3D Track n Rails/assets/create/textures/item/standard_track
standard_track.png
standard_track_chibbi.png

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

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wooden star Idk how specific neoforge etc. are, but I know in vanilla using capital letters ...

no change in game

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

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did you change the model references in the files themselves too?

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also, shouldn't it be create:item/track_chibbi and create:item/track?

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:23 PM

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wooden star did you change the model references in the files themselves too?

the only references in the model.json files were to the textures

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:24 PM

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parents are other model files, not textures

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:25 PM

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oh then yes i did change them

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📎 track.json 📎 track_chibbi.json

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now do i need to make the chibbi model the primary and then use a parent to override all but the gui display's or am i on the right path with trying to overwrite the gui display on the standered track model with the chibbi model

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the neoForge doc page im reading seems to be refrenceing changeing a part of the model it self with another model rather nthan changeing display settings

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:32 PM

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runic prawn the neoForge doc page im reading seems to be refrenceing changeing a part of the...

Wait, are those the same exact model twice, but with different display settings? Or are those completely different models?

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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different models

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:33 PM

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k, then try this for track.json:

📎 message.txt

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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wooden star k, then try this for track.json:

no change

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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"no change" as in it's an error cube or as in it's the default track model?

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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still have the error cube

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:40 PM

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runic prawn i fixed my syntax and now ive got a nowhere cube

so im still at this point

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Then I'm not quite sure either tbh.
What errors does the output log throw when reloading the pack?

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:47 PM

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wooden star Then I'm not quite sure either tbh. What errors does the output log throw when r...

thats latest.log right?

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:47 PM

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for example, though preferably it would be a real-time updating one

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!faq output-log

autumn ferryBOT Jun 25, 2025, 6:48 PM

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wooden star !faq output-log

FAQ

Java: Output Log

The output log will show you errors related to resource packs in Minecraft: Java Edition. Here is how you can enable it.
(PS: Optifine likes to hide vanilla errors/warnings for some weird reason, so always load the game up without it if you don't need it for your pack to work!)
If you don't understand the errors/warnings feel free to show and ask about them (in a help channel).

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 6:48 PM

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basically like the default one

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 6:53 PM

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ok then no

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i sent a chat message before and after reloading the pack and nothing was between them in the log

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isnt line 7 "perspectives" what used to be used before "display"

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 7:01 PM

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display has existed since forever
"perspectives" is for swapping models (according to what you linked and what I have seen online)

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 7:37 PM

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so

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i reverted the file back to when it was working with the original model with working textures
then i tried adding your edit and i got the cube
tried doing this edit #1129320551178055760 message and i got the cube
only adding the loader line gives the cube as well

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 7:54 PM

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weird, error model should always put some kind of message in the log when reloading the pack ingame 🤔

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 7:56 PM

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ah i found it

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com.google.gson.JsonParseException: Model loader 'neoforge:separate_transforms' not found. Registered loaders: immersiveengineering:conf_sides, structurize:overlaid, immersiveengineering:ie_obj, sophisticatedbackpacks:backpack, framedblocks:overlay, immersiveengineering:basic_split, forge:elements, forge:obj, athena:athena, immersiveengineering:models/coresample, sophisticatedstorage:barrel, sophisticatedstorage:limited_barrel, immersiveengineering:potion_bucket, sophisticatedstorage:chest, forge:empty, immersiveengineering:feedthrough, domum_ornamentum:materially_textured, sophisticatedstorage:shulker_box, forge:fluid_container, forge:composite, forge:separate_transforms, immersiveengineering:mirror, sophisticatedstorage:simple_composite, forge:item_layers, framework:open_model, immersiveengineering:models/conveyor```

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com.google.gson.JsonParseException: Model loader 'neoforge:composite' not found. Registered loaders: immersiveengineering:conf_sides, structurize:overlaid, immersiveengineering:ie_obj, sophisticatedbackpacks:backpack, framedblocks:overlay, immersiveengineering:basic_split, forge:elements, forge:obj, athena:athena, immersiveengineering:models/coresample, sophisticatedstorage:barrel, sophisticatedstorage:limited_barrel, immersiveengineering:potion_bucket, sophisticatedstorage:chest, forge:empty, immersiveengineering:feedthrough, domum_ornamentum:materially_textured, sophisticatedstorage:shulker_box, forge:fluid_container, forge:composite, forge:separate_transforms, immersiveengineering:mirror, sophisticatedstorage:simple_composite, forge:item_layers, framework:open_model, immersiveengineering:models/conveyor```

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 7:58 PM

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oh, try "forge:separate_transform"

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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well we've got a change

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missing hand and the correct model for the item but the texutes are broken

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"forge:separate_transform" is the closest so far

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can confirm that the second model is being used for the gui

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 8:31 PM

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so there is just a texture reference wrong in the gui model?

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oh wait, you said it's using the wrong model

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 8:42 PM

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asigning the refrence the texture didnt work either

📎 track.json

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 8:52 PM

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wooden star oh wait, you said it's using the wrong model

the hand, ground and head was correct at the start. but the gui wasnt,
now the hand and ground is gone

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and the gui is the right model but the second texture isnt loading

wooden star Jun 25, 2025, 8:53 PM

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because you told it that the base model is this

    "textures": {
            "0": "create:item/standard_track/standard_track",
            "particle": "create:item/standard_track/standard_track"
        }

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 8:53 PM

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i got the texture working

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the second assigned texture on the chibbi file was spelled wrong

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lol

runic prawn Jun 25, 2025, 9:30 PM

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how did I ever convince myself that small changes would be quick and easy

proven lily Jun 26, 2025, 3:42 AM

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Mind if I post this here as the answer to this problem? Given that this is an issue with specifically transforms, the linked post goes over exactly how to use them.
Anyways, Good luck with the pack creation. Hopefully this was the worst of the problems you will run into.

Guide on how to use separate_transforms for Forge/Neo: https://canary.discord.com/channels/314078526104141834/1387623540856979536

runic prawn Jun 26, 2025, 4:26 AM

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yep no worries im gonna link it in the original post as well

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