We have new client lifecycle events. There's also ClientSetupEvent?
#1.21.5 Snapshots
gleaming pendant
wanton turtle
We have new client lifecycle events. There's also ClientSetupEvent?
on the mod event bus?
gleaming pendant
Read the code, the answer is there
wanton turtle
doesn't explicitly mention what bus it's on but it might be obvious if I knew more about neo
ig i'll just try both
gleaming pendant
There's an interface that mod bus events implement
wanton turtle
ah its down in the heirarchy since it extends Parallel something
wait parallel? does it not run on the main thread?
gleaming pendant
Hmm what
wanton turtle
FMLClientSetupEvent extends ParallelDispatchEvent
floral mesa
it runs on the modloading worker, you can use enqueueWork to run stuff on the main thread
wanton turtle
wow that broke things in very unexpected ways thanks for telling me abt enqueueWork
sterile abyss
we'll probably have a 1.21.6 but in any case until then this thread is 
warm night
dark wasp
april fool's snapshot when
merry falcon
The joke is there is no joke
No snapshot
Nothing
We sit here for an entire day waiting before we realized we were bamboozled
dark wasp
and tomorrow we get an update entirely themed around bamboo
whole-ass bamboo dimension
trade with panda elementals
frank sigil
T-50 minutes probably
trail fable
trade with panda elementals
Bumblezone ❌ Pandazone ✅
marsh mural
T-50 minutes probably
well its past 4pm here, guess theres no silly snapshot today, time to go take 
sweet ice
it's happening! :o
mental jolt
:o
oblique tusk
OH LAWD IT HERE
weak wasp
I am not writing a primer for this
tardy nest
No snapshot yet?
limber ginkgo
extremely funny snapshot
barren temple
we need a NeoForge version for this
sterile abyss
does snowman not do aprils fools
raven blade
vanilla vault hunters
livid wharf
craftmine
they actually did it
oblique tusk
does snowman not do aprils fools
iirc, it is excluded
late maple
april food time ?!
haughty spade
manual triggering time?
oblique tusk
partly because they are outside of the normal flow of snapshots, so you can't be sure what version they're based off of
livid wharf
april fools snapshots break versioning
oblique tusk
they might be based off a snapshot, or a release, or otherwise
so someone would have to manually run Snowblower and push it
livid wharf
they are almost never related to the previous snapshot, but instead a branch of an older version
haughty spade
yeah
dark wasp
more dynamic dimensions tech
haughty spade
this is something they may have been working on since last year
haughty spade
no creative mode 😱
sterile abyss
which is usually not the case
it wasn't the case last year anyway
so it might actually have been rebased on top of latest
haughty spade
sterile abyss
when did we get UI tabs
dark wasp
well, yeah, you can't really craft or mine properly in creative mode
haughty spade
a 1.19.x or 1.20.x "feature preview" version, can't remember if 1.20.1 already had them
sterile abyss
psure it was after 1.20.1
sterile abyss
oh huh, time flies
sci, I'm volunteering you to run snowman for this snapshot and push it to a different branch
oblique tusk
screm
cinder saffron
Are there more game rules than there used to be?
oblique tusk
do you want it only for that specific version
barren temple
At least data version in nbt files is 4323 from 1.21.5-rc1. Maybe that's when they built the snapshot?
sterile abyss
well can't you run it on top of latest
oblique tusk
At least data version in nbt files is `4323` from `1.21.5-rc1`. Maybe that's whe...
sounds like a good idea to me
sterile abyss
run it on top of that then
I want to see the damage and asses the feasibility of a neo port
oblique tusk
we need to update SRGUtils first, though
primal sedgeBOT
you do it, I'll hit the button
Larger than Earth!
sterile abyss
no the button isn't that large fox
river flume
So its Mystcraft? xD
livid wharf
*mystcraft 2
river flume
Time to turn it into a mod? xD
livid wharf
This could be a speedrun category
haughty spade
got a trophy
livid wharf
I wonder how they're rendering that
haughty spade
oh god you have to unlock even swimming
livid wharf
what happens if you try beforehand
haughty spade
you can bob up and down in the water, but not enter swim mode
livid wharf
I wonder if the xp system supports modded items
cinder saffron
So how do we exit a mining dimension? Am I missing something obvious, as usual?
haughty spade
I think you have to find an exit somewhere?
nevermind you can swim I just had no hunger left
cinder saffron
Ok, that's what it sounded like - you just have to wander around till you find one.
Any idea what they look like?
frigid sand
so they implemented rftools dimensions
winged salmon
1st thing I thought of when I saw the blog post as well
frigid sand
that reminds me, I didn't play potato
frigid sand
all these spoilers
cinder saffron
So yeah, how does one find exits?
haughty spade
still no clue
frigid sand
So yeah, how does one find exits?
oblique tusk
@sterile abyss I forget, how does MinecraftVersion sort april fools versions?
as in, where should 25w14craftmine be in the list? on top of (released after) 1.21.5?
frigid sand
isn't that a manual list in snowblower?
sterile abyss
after the version it was based off
oblique tusk
<:thonkies:1130937086254534888> isn't that a manual list in snowblower?
what do you mean?
oblique tusk
after the version it was based off
ah, do I have to put it after 1.21.5-rc1 then
sterile abyss
after the version it was based off
and tbh it might be 1.21.5
they might not have changed the data format since the rc
frigid sand
what do you mean?
the ordering for april fools snapshots
sterile abyss
you can check to see if a 1.21.5 full release bugfix is present
oblique tusk
although, the VersionList tests says,
//We can't read this file directly, because its in strict release date order, not target version order
oh wait
sterile abyss
seems like last year was after 1.20.5
oblique tusk
I'm not fighting MinecraftVersion more anymore
25w14craftmine
1.21.5
1.21.5-rc2
1.21.5-rc1
1.21.5-pre3
1.21.5-pre2
1.21.5-pre1
this is fine enough
compact hare
What's the serious description of this?
haughty spade
this block is fairly new, so this snapshot must not be based off a VERY old version
oblique tusk
as far as we can tell so far, it's based off 1.21.5-rc1
based off the world version
oblique tusk
@sterile abyss merge it? 
frigid sand
What's the serious description of this?
rftools dimensions + vault hunters or something
haughty spade
mystcraft lite
frigid sand
never played that
haughty spade
think rftools dimensions, but with a magic book instead of a machine
frigid sand
winged salmon
oh damn I forgot about Mystcraft
haughty spade
worlds that are not well-defined by the "spell" are prone to being unstable and decaying
real bolt
also a reference to Myst, which was a great game series (They've rereleased both Myst and Riven recently)
worldly peak
So it's basically that infinite snapshots but with an extra gameplay layer on it.
sweet ice
Sci modified the snowblower branch config, and it reminded me of this PR (bot notified me of merge conflicts lol) https://github.com/neoforged/snowblower/pull/4
Been dead for a year since last year's April fools lol
oblique tusk
I am having trouble getting Snowblower to run 
sweet ice
did you update srgutils
It has to be updated every April :)
I don't think NeoForge has even forked srgutils
oblique tusk
I have done so, yes
could you double-check if I did it right?
D:\Dev\neoforged\Tooling> java -jar snowblower-2.0.26-all.jar --output output --start-ver "1.21.5" --target-ver "25w14craftmine" --exclude "**.nbt" --exclude "**.png" --start-over-if-required --partial-cache --start-over-if-required
01:43:01.888 DEBUG net.neoforged.snowblower.util.Util -- Downloading https://piston-meta.mojang.com/mc/game/version_manifest_v2.json
01:43:02.636 INFO net.neoforged.snowblower.Generator -- Starting over existing branch dev
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalStateException: Could not find start and/or end version in version manifest (or they were out of order)
at net.neoforged.snowblower.Generator.runInternal(Generator.java:317)
at net.neoforged.snowblower.Generator.run(Generator.java:228)
at net.neoforged.snowblower.Main.main(Main.java:126)
I am running out of ideas
@sterile abyss you take over
sterile abyss
I don't have any more ideas hmm
sterile abyss
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D:\Dev\neoforged\Tooling> java -jar snowblower-2.0.26-all.jar --output outpu...
maybe try --start-ver and --target-ver both to the snapshot
oblique tusk
doesn't work
oblique tusk
yea
found a way, but it won't have 1.21.5
I need to take a closer look at Shrimp's PR
oblique tusk
@sweet ice will you have the time to poke your PR to update it and do the change requested pls?
or shall I exercise my divine right as monarch maintainer permissions to push
sweet ice
or shall I exercise my ~~divine right as monarch~~ maintainer permissions to pus...
You can exercise your right 🙂
primal sedgeBOT
also, https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/731af32760040267ba68f3776a6aad...
Who put it there?
oblique tusk
it was me!
oblique tusk
send it to a farm upstate
simple spoke
give it one channel no one else can see to roam around in
glass wagon
sweet ice
also, https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/731af32760040267ba68f3776a6aad...
Wow, almost a million lines of stuff
sterile abyss
also, https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/731af32760040267ba68f3776a6aad...
maybe you should try again but starting from 1.21.5...
glass wagon
<https://github.com/neoforged/MergeTool/pull/6>
I don't have write permission to mergetool
glass wagon
All of the 8 test compiles that include the client packages got an out of memory error
sweet ice
maybe you should try again but starting from 1.21.5...
Do we know if it is based off of the 1.21.5 branch?
steep hamlet
👀
sterile abyss
Do we know if it is based off of the 1.21.5 branch?
yeah. or at the very least the first rc
very few changes between the rcs and the full release
weak lichen
glass wagon
There is a single world effect that can only appear in multiplayer: soul_link
glass wagon
ServerLevel no longer stores the MinecraftServer directly instead it is now stored in TheGame
oblique tusk
in WHAT
glass wagon
RoomerinoComponentino
addExperienceToDrop((int)(serverplayer.getTotalExperienceBasedOnLevels() * 0.0F))
oblique tusk
that isn't a decompiler artifact, right? 
tardy nest
Why is craftmine super high quality
lost imp
cinder saffron
Why is craftmine super high quality
I don't know, but I'm not complaining!
oblique tusk
regenned Snowman for the April Fools snapshot, now with 1.21.5-rc1 included so the snapshot commit properly shows all the proper changes that is specific to the snapshot: https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/tree/april-fools/2025
thanks @sweet ice for the code
@warm night since you looked at the Snowman commit, now look at this one with the proper parent and everything
vagrant obsidian
I feel like one of the more interesting things here is the removal of DimensionSpecialEffects (seems converted to a new WorldEffect list)
proven compass
more worldgen fuckery we love to see it
vagrant obsidian
Also potentially a sky render target and new SkyRenderer class
Those feel useful enough to be in main code
proven compass
maybe we're getting better sky rendering support soon
fallow merlin
What's the icon?
vagrant obsidian
5
fallow merlin
But like what does that mean?
vagrant obsidian
five
fallow merlin
Is it a version?
vagrant obsidian
idk, it's a Mojang joke snapshot
fallow merlin
Ahhh
vagrant obsidian
it could be a pointer to pigs for all we know
fallow merlin
sweet ice
thanks <@277525077669445632> for the code <:kek:1134098707869073408>
🫡 we love year old code
sweet ice
regenned Snowman for the April Fools snapshot, now with 1.21.5-rc1 included so t...
hmm why did the April fools branch not include all versions before 1.21.5-rc1? And why is the dev branch missing a commit for 1.21.5?
glass wagon
There is a block that allows you to set the type of sky in your current world. This is the sky type named panorama
proven compass
yeah its part of the secret rooms
so u can change the matrix style of the base room
vagrant obsidian
WorldEffects.BEES 
oblique tusk
hmm why did the April fools branch not include all versions before 1.21.5-rc1? A...
so I don't have to decompile all of those versions
I specifically limited --start-ver to 1.21.5-rc1
@marsh mural for reference, here's the command-line I used (substitute the JAR as needed, as I built PR#4 locally before I merged it):
java -jar snowblower-2.0.29-all.jar --output Snowman --start-ver "1.21.5-rc1" --target-ver "25w14craftmine" --exclude "**.nbt" --exclude "**.png" --start-over-if-required --cache snowblower-cache --cfg https://gist.githubusercontent.com/sciwhiz12/b479589395afded26113b9256cf2bb8a/raw/4ab1e9ec73aa8992f2a8a90bf715fa1a9367d769/config.json --branch april-fools/2025
I linked the gist I used in the PR itself, but here's another link to it: https://gist.github.com/sciwhiz12/b479589395afded26113b9256cf2bb8a
sweet ice
so I don't have to decompile all of those versions <:kek:1134098707869073408>
I'm not well versed on GitHub actions or the setup, but why not make a manual trigger action for April fools so that it reuses the existing cache?
And also I don't remember how the code for snowblower works, but does it even bother to check the prior commits for accuracy besides checking the versions of the tools in the init commit match? I feel like if you were to start with the release branch as a base it would just handle it for you and add on, even without the cache from GA. (And if it doesn't do this already, I would have to wonder why not)
I guess if it's based off rc1, you would want to use dev as the branch to add on to
Specifically I mean first checkout the April fools branch to just match the dev branch exactly, then run snowblower on that branch. I feel like it would just work ™️
Also I am still wondering where the 1.21.5 full release commit is for the dev branch. Is this like something something limitation where the release and dev GitHub action can't be run in parallel?
Oh and should the GitHub action configuration yamls present in snowman be open sourced?
marsh mural
I'm not well versed on GitHub actions or the setup, but why not make a manual tr...
thats what im working on for my fork of snowman and looks to be working
added a new input to my main decompile workflow additional_args
which allows me to pass --cfg <> in my april fools yml
other than that had to update to snowblower 2.0.27
(i can add yall to my fork if you want to see how my workflows are setup)
sweet ice
thats what im working on for my fork of snowman and looks to be working
added a ...
I'm ok on fork access; I shouldn't even be here cuz school is kicking my butt :)
but those changes make sense to me. I just think it might make sense to put them somewhere that is more visible in case non-maintainers want to see them 🤷
marsh mural
yeah this is my april-fools-2025 workflow file
if you make the changes i mentioned above to the main decompile yml, this should just work
sweet ice
Where the heck is the trigger that calls the GitHub action workflows on new MC version lol
marsh mural
iirc neo has a thirdparty service which listens for new versions, that triggers snowman and posts message here
but it should just trigger the matching yml file for the new version
sweet ice
found a little bit of that in digging thru messages but yea. I presume it doesn't trigger the dev branch upon a release releasing. I guess technically not a necessity and very minor but technically the latest release should still go on dev as well 🤷
But also it's 3am so I'm gonna go sleep. :P I feel like snowblower / the setup of the snowman repo could use some TLC at some point just to clean up some pain points. Like having an archive/setup for all the April fools versions with mojmaps would be nice. And the whole config system is a bit jank; it would be nice if Snowblower could update multiple branches in one invocation. But I don't have time rn to look into any of that and it works fine right now as-is. Perhaps a summer project for when I'm not as busy :)
marsh mural
found a little bit of that in digging thru messages but yea. I presume it doesn'...
looking at the runs looks like it does trigger both release and dev branches on main release
https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/actions/workflows/release.yaml & https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/actions/workflows/dev.yaml
both have runs for last week triggered by neo machine admin
sweet ice
Ok that's good
The last successful output before April says no new version to process, peculiar
marsh mural
prob cause shared cache, so already decompiled for dev and just reused it on release or vice versa
sweet ice
It should still notice the commit is missing and generate it
the cache should just prevent a decompile, but there should be logging about the creation of a commit for 1.21.5 or something to that effect
I can't easily find from mobile what day of the week the job ran to double check it didn't run too early and the version manifest was wrong or something. But if you can find the day, then you can combine it with the log timestamp of when the file was downloaded to ensure it wasn't too fast. Don't know how it would be too fast but it could be worth investigating
I presume the log timestamps are UTC but idk
marsh mural
unsure but i gotta go, got busy day ahead of me (moving home is not fun)
good luck on the snowman/snowblower debugging your doing
glass wagon
The texture used for the code sky box and background is a combination of the illager font and the standard galactic alphabet along with 13 creeper faces
glass wagon
I only just realised that it creates a datapack for each mine
dark wasp
do we have in-server reloading of datapack registries now?
twin sequoia
big fan of how all the code for the craft mining is just in ServerLevel
haughty spade
oh I just learned that the new snapshot day is tuesdays instead of wednesdays
(unless that was posted during april fools for whoever posted it :P)
steep hamlet
thats news to me
haughty spade
was watching this and he mentions it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7omNTW0blvQ
cinder saffron
That was actually one of the things I noticed in the snapshot - what did you think about using granite/diorite/andesite/tuff as replacements for cobblestone?
haughty spade
I didn't try it
like, at all
I didn't think it was usable, so I didn't check
I went looking for pockets of stone
I have learned about this in this video
glass wagon
It seems like mines will only generate structures like villages if it can use the existing unmodified biomes since it doesn't add to the tags for structures
late maple
april fools snapshots break versioning
I can hear 20w14infinte 's laugh in the background
haughty spade
hmm random thought. if a is the first snapshot of the week, b is the second, etc.
you could turn a snapshot code into a version like
25w09a, could be 25.9.1
if the next after z is aa, where z=26, and aa=27... what version number would 25w14infinite have? what is infinite translated from alphabetic base 26 to decimal base 10?
oblique tusk
i = 9 * 26^7 = 72 286 291 584
n = 14 * 26^6 = 4 324 820 864
f = 6 * 26^5 = 71 288 256
i = 9 * 26^4 = 4 112 784
n = 14 * 26^3 = 246 064
i = 9 * 26^2 = 6 084
t = 20 * 26^1 = 520
e = 5 * 26^0 = 5
76 686 766 161
am I doing this right
haughty spade
fits in a 32bit int, good enough ;p
fallow merlin
😂