1.21 Snapshots

[austere ocean]

needs more confetti

[jagged stag]

could technically automate the bot creating a porting thread if one doesn't exist

but threads owned by bots are bad™️

[digital scaffold]

And there's no ownership transfer I don't think

[austere ocean]

[digital scaffold]

Wait, you can transfer ownership to bots?

Why?

Oh right that

[agile canyon]

Update primer time: https://gist.github.com/ChampionAsh5357/d895a7b1a34341e19c80870720f9880f/revisions#diff-d98e96ce400ed97b94b31eb272da1aaf8e5bc302879c32f34168e708477578c6

[light arrow]

sooo neoform?

[white pond]

Should I take a look?

[jagged stag]

i mean there's not really any rush to update

[white pond]

well, just overwrote my module metadata changes to neoform by switching to 1.21-dev and clicking "force checkout" a little too quickly

i suppose I might as well do it now

[torn notch]

Did they do anything interesting with DFU? Saw the major version was bumped, but GH commits don't reveal anything major

[fallow horizon]

the way the DataFixerUpper instance is created changed in a breaking way, that's why

[torn notch]

Ah

Just looking at the commit messages was not enough I see... I should know better by now

[white pond]

https://github.com/neoforged/NeoForm/pull/8

[white pond]

@light arrow neoform is 24w19b-20240510.192321

[half plaza]

@light arrow 24w19b-20240510.193815 for the one that works with ecj

[white pond]

We should add an ECJ compile check to the workflow /sigh

[twilit slate]

mojira is busy....
hmmmm

but they are not "that" busy
so it is obvious that we are gonna get that new feature that they have been working on so obviously

[torn notch]

or something else entirely

[lone tree]

Developers working on datapacks haven't fixed any bugs

[viscid rune]

I hope it's a 3D mace

[steep copper]

inb4 component blocks

or entity rework after I grump'd at a bunch of people doing Gander/moddev stuff, lol

[torn notch]

think they'll move block properties to components?

yet another data component type registry

[digital scaffold]

In theory block entities don't need to exist. Any block state that doesn't have its default components can't just be shoved into a Map<BlockPos, DataComponentPatch> (except they'd do Long2ObjecrMap<DataComponentPatch>, but you get my point)

[steep copper]

That's what I'm hoping happens - the concept of block entities dies

You just have blocks and renderers

[fallow horizon]

or would they

[digital scaffold]

Huh

[fallow horizon]

to be fair this map probably hasn't been touched in 10 years aside from 1.20.5 moving to a fastutil object map

[digital scaffold]

They use shorts in networking

[steep copper]

The second one could easily just be a set of BlockPos

First one.. probably a component set

[late sentinel]

weirdly the second one is different in 1.20.6

    protected final Map<BlockPos, CompoundTag> pendingBlockEntities = Maps.newHashMap();
    protected final Map<BlockPos, BlockEntity> blockEntities = new Object2ObjectOpenHashMap<>();

[fallow horizon]

sniped

[late sentinel]

stab

why did they only change the second one though

there's like 4 maps here

[digital scaffold]

Which class is this again?

[fallow horizon]

the first one likely isn't hot

[late sentinel]

ChunkAccess

[fallow horizon]

ChunkAccess

sniped again

[late sentinel]

[steep copper]

[digital scaffold]

Well I can confirm the first map is present as a HashMap of block pos to tile entity in 1.2.5

[lone tree]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-6431 It's good that a bug report that was created in 2013 is finally fixed.

[modest helm]

ohh, do players not get "respawned" anymore?

[austere ocean]

iirc that was because the exit portal calls PlayerList#respawn (which destroys the ServerPlayer and creates a new one, ask me how I know )

[steep copper]

imagine if Mojang was sneakily prepping for another dimension

and this got in the way

[humble salmon]

I mean, the nether works fine, it's just the end that's a special bunny

[lone tree]

Next snapshot for Wednesday or Friday?

[digital scaffold]

I think Wednesday

I don't think Friday will be a regular thing

Though they could do Friday to line it up with the 15 year anniversary

[lone tree]

Yeah...

We'll see tomorrow

[steep copper]

15 years..

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[lone tree]

Old person /j

[modest helm]

then there is special handling for that, because the Nether portal also replaces the ServerPlayer

[austere ocean]

does it?

[modest helm]

oh, I just realised I only ever tested that part on a Fabric server, so I'm not 100% sure if it's a vanilla thing..

[tacit oxide]

Is there a reason for that call?

It has so many side effects

What is the purpose of calling it

[austere ocean]

ask Mojang

[tacit oxide]

Notch

Notch did that one

Could be for lore purposes lol

I watched a theory video and it talked about the end being death or a dream

[austere ocean]

lol

[tacit oxide]

So the fact that the player "respawns" upon exit is interesting

[austere ocean]

lore so deep they buried it in the guts of the game as an implementation detail

[light arrow]

if you mean the thing they teased with the recipe abstraction... I hope so

[uncut birch]

iirc it's because the first time you leave the end, you don't exist in the world while you're watching the credits

you also appear at your bed rather than any other defined location

[light arrow]

I'm curious how they fixed that

[light arrow]

🐸 day

~ 5h

[red sigil]

hopefully no last minute issues delaying it this time

unless they permanently move to fridays

[odd flare]

`"yeah uhhh... my new pc also crashed, which had the changelogs on it again.... we really need to make a better solution for this....."

[lone tree]

https://fxtwitter.com/gegybeans/status/1790732975664980400

https://fxtwitter.com/kingbdogz/status/1790732362432602599

[austere ocean]

[jagged stag]

we're froggin

[queen fog]

castor is the new frog

[lone tree]

Capybara

[odd flare]

hmmmm
sounds like they are adding something [REDACTED]

[austere ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/how-he-the-j-beaver-groundhog-carrot-gif-22994877

[light arrow]

kingbdogz posted the frog it's happening

[hard ivy]

oh lawd it happenin

[lone tree]

Aether in Minecraft??

[light arrow]

did anyone post a teaser?

[austere ocean]

data driven mob effects, bet

[lone tree]

nope

[hard ivy]

you'd think they would tangle themselves up in trying to get the Aether name

[light arrow]

I think it's gonna be brewing recipes as real recipes

[hard ivy]

please 🙏

[austere ocean]

please

gah, ping

[light arrow]

they already did the base for it by abstracting recipes away from containers

[hard ivy]

what is that beaver even eating

[austere ocean]

melon

what's it called

[remote void]

The new update will be a ConcurrentModificationException

[hard ivy]

https://fxtwitter.com/slicedlime/status/1790735846930309535

[austere ocean]

cantaloupe

[hard ivy]

aww

[queen fog]

cute frog

[austere ocean]

hmm wait

not sure that's correct

whatever

[rotund quail]

it looks more like a squash to me

[lone tree]

Blinding effect updated

[jagged stag]

I see work terrorized you

[remote void]

Genius idea to modify an HTTPClient’s default header every time for an api call and then concurrently call the api a bunch of times

Now have to unravel that

[hard ivy]

blinks

what kinda

[jagged stag]

just fork the client smh

the quick and dirty fix

[alpine pelican]

Minecraft Snapshot 24w20a

After some recent irregularities in our Snapshot schedule (public holidays, we're looking at you!) we're back to shipping on a Wednesday! Among other things, 24w20a includes a buff to the amount of Redstone Dust dropped by Witches, as well as a long reques...

May 15, 2024, 1:54 PM

[light arrow]

@hard ivy sound the alarm

[twilit slate]

<@&1067092163520909374>

24w20a

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-24w20a

Snow:
https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/0363d63c6be596b9e9d9e156cefe2d0ebaf82cab

[light arrow]

Custom set base attributes are now kept when respawning
Oh thank god

[alpine pelican]

New version detected: 24w20a.

Minecraft Snapshot 24w20a

After some recent irregularities in our Snapshot schedule (public holidays, we're looking at you!) we're back to shipping on a Wednesday! Among other things, 24w20a includes a buff to the amount of Redstone Dust dropped by Witches, as well as a long reques...

May 15, 2024, 1:54 PM

[digital scaffold]

Indeed

[hard ivy]

IT BEGINS

[rotund quail]

Lmao I set up an automation on my laptop while I was in a lecture since I was interested in firing order, but Instead it triggered when I was walking between lectures lol

[light arrow]

no potion recipes this week it seems

[hard ivy]

they lowered the volume of pistons

[lone tree]

nice

[tacit oxide]

Boring snapshot this week

[hard ivy]

lots o' fixes

[odd flare]

Peter was quicker

[tacit oxide]

We must be getting close to 1.21

[hard ivy]

or they're still churning content behind closed doors

[odd flare]

nah, big ones can still happen

[light arrow]

no look 2 messages above peters

[twilit slate]

i almost got it.. XD

[odd flare]

then why is it posting twice

[agile canyon]

Interesting, alot of the RenderSystem#assert* lines have been removed

Ah, that's because the game thread has been removed from RenderSystem

[light arrow]

hey gegy will the potion recipe rework be in 1.21 or are you just doing the ground work now and the full thing later?

[twilit slate]

why is the snowman commit from 2h ago?
is this some time zone thing?

[fallow horizon]

So I guess that was a failed experiment?

[hard ivy]

the commit time is based on the manifest -- I forget which of the two dates

[twilit slate]

ahh cool

[hard ivy]

releaseTime, it seems

[twilit slate]

looks like a bunch of rendering thread related changes...

[agile canyon]

Probably

[twilit slate]

hmmm

[light arrow]

hmmm Potion.CODEC and MobEffect.CODEC are a thing now... maybe part of the preparation

[twilit slate]

"THE PREPARATION"

[hard ivy]

IT BEGINS

[light arrow]

ugh they changed equipment slot again

[red sigil]

Among other things, 24w20a includes a buff to the amount of Redstone Dust dropped by Witches, as well as a long requested change to make Piston sounds a tad more pleasing to the ear.
some people will be very happy about that

looks in the direction of TangoTek, Etho, Docm77, et al.

[hard ivy]

more redstone!

[viscid crane]

Wow, that is one underwhelming snapshot

[agile canyon]

Delta time change!

floats are being replaced by DeltaTracker

[viscid crane]

A drop table change, a sound change and some json codec changes

[agile canyon]

Which basically holds the partial tick

[viscid crane]

What's it do

Other than hold the partial tick?

[agile canyon]

It's basically the Timer class, except in interface form

[hard ivy]

this reminds me of a puzzle of when we had that slight issue because the pause partial tick wasn't being passed down properly when paused

[viscid crane]

So there is no purpose to it other than to abstract something holding the partial tick?

If I wouldn't know any better, this feels like something added specificially to break essentially everything rendering related

[hard ivy]

nah, that wouldn't break anything rendering related

[viscid crane]

But introduce a bunch of refactoring

(Which is what I mean)

[hard ivy]

ah

I think that won't matter too much, since most rendering doesn't distinguish from (actual) partial tick vs paused partial tick

[agile canyon]

Well, now you can!

As the method to get the partial tick takes in a boolean

[hard ivy]

(and indeed, GameRenderer iirc the class used to be called with this.paused ? this.pausePartialTick : partialTick, because of how insignificant the difference was for rendering)

[digital scaffold]

Well this will be annoying for my multiversion mod

[agile canyon]

Though if the game is frozen, everything will still freeze

But you can also get the delta ticks and realtime ticks

Dimension stuff seems to have changed a bit

But still roughly the same

[light arrow]

PortalInfo is no more

[hard ivy]

updated Credits

[lone tree]

They broke the Minecraft demo timer X)

[hard ivy]

eyy, the Head of Franchise Player Ecosystem got promoted to Chief Operating Officer

[viscid crane]

Funny, I just recently read something about overmanagement and unnecessairy positions in management

And that title was an example

lol

[hard ivy]

(they existed in the same position before the update, the entry just got shifted up one)

smh, missing comma

[red sigil]

the last snapshot was on friday of course this one is tiny :p

[hard ivy]

bug report! bug report! /jk

[viscid crane]

God, all these changes make me not look foward to 1.21 releasing

I will need to rewrite so much shit

just due to refactoring and datafication

[digital scaffold]

So far there's been so few changes compared to, like 1.20.2-1.20.6

Or do you mean from 1.20.1?

[hard ivy]

hmmmmm

I wonder how many people have actually seen the credits in full...

I shall endeavor to be one of them

[viscid crane]

Yeah

[digital scaffold]

Ah pain

[hard ivy]

...after I finish checking the changes to the JSON

[viscid crane]

The 1.20 updates are pretty minimal, but 1.20.x -> 1.21 is going to be a nightmare

[digital scaffold]

1.20.2, 1.20.4, and 1.20.6 were all huge

[digital scaffold]

Well so far 1.20.6 -> 1.21 is really light

[viscid crane]

the snapshot cycle also just started lmao

[digital scaffold]

So far they haven't completely rewritten much of anything

[hard ivy]

ey, they expanded the credits section on quality assessment

[viscid crane]

Enchantments, and those are just the start

[agile canyon]

Light???

[digital scaffold]

Compared to rewriting advancements, items, and networking, yes

[hard ivy]

wait, they might've just moved it

[viscid crane]

bruh

[lone tree]

Easy mode: 1.20 -> 1.20.1
Normal mode: 1.18.1 -> 1.18.2
Hard mode: 1.20.4 -> 1.20.5

[digital scaffold]

They also did advancement reworks on 2/3 of those versions

Each advancement rework took me like 6 hours (or more) to port

And that's just from the advancements

[half plaza]

When updating patches consists of deleting 2 files and running a couple of gradle tasks

[digital scaffold]

Although tbf my mod is very advancement heavy

For my most popular mod, however, 1.20.4 -> 1.20.5 was actually the easiest I've had in a while

Most of the stuff I had to do was Java 21 related

However, as hard as rewriting makes porting, I'm glad they're rewriting stuff

[agile canyon]

Ah yes, when dividing by 0, the answer is always 0

[hard ivy]

finally, we have solved math

[agile canyon]

https://gist.github.com/ChampionAsh5357/d895a7b1a34341e19c80870720f9880f/revisions#diff-d98e96ce400ed97b94b31eb272da1aaf8e5bc302879c32f34168e708477578c6

Have your update primer

[jagged stag]

After some recent irregularities in our Snapshot schedule (public holidays, we're looking at you!) we're back to shipping on a Wednesday!

haha good joke

[viscid crane]

They did though

It‘s just pretty minor

[steep copper]

oh god rendering changes

Gander and CC, noooo

[viscid crane]

what rendering changes?

[steep copper]

I mean CC is just screwed multiple ways (and will need basically a full rewrite for 1.21) but Gander uses a bunch of stuff related to partial ticks

I imagine the timing and GameRenderer stuff is just a start

[viscid crane]

ok but what changes

other than partial ticks

[digital scaffold]

It's pretty much just the partial ticks

They also removed some thread checking stuff in Blaze3D, but I think that's it

[steep copper]

Once Mojang starts looking at an area of code, they usually clean up the surrounding areas

So I won't be surprised if some more internal rendering stuff happens

[lone tree]

hotfix??

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-272044 & https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-272043

[sinful hazel]

it is coincidence that code here has changed for unrelated reasons - I don’t think we ever said that’s happening

[remote void]

he is just really hopeful for potion rework lol

same way I want painting positions spawned from structure nbt files fixed

or per-structure piece autowaterlogging from world's water toggle

[sinful hazel]

subtle 😉

[viscid rune]

or me wanting a 3d mace with actual spikes gathered from elder guardians

[rotund quail]

data driven horns and music disks

[steep copper]

level class composition instead of overriding like 100 methods from interface trees tho

[humble salmon]

rip noisy piston machines

[steep copper]

Etho, near his doors and sorting machines: "Finally, inner peace"

[humble salmon]

I reuse the piston sound effects for a few of my mechanical blocks, gonna need to remember which blocks use those and make sure they still sound fine

[digital scaffold]

Oh that's nothing. https://youtu.be/zGDDKYSEz_Q

[tacit oxide]

Is there some rule that Mojang can't pull these things from mods because that's a very simple fix that's been done like 10 times

I'm suprised it still exists

[lone tree]

https://fxtwitter.com/gnembon_mc/status/1791457701827858825 nice

[hard ivy]

finally, another use for fishing

[red sigil]

[manic oracle]

oh god i hate that

we're gonna have fun bulk crafting pistons in 1.21

[light arrow]

For those who don't get it... that recipe is a joke about the new sound sounding like a fish on land

[white pond]

There is a new sound? oh

[odd flare]

something fishy that mojang did

[red sigil]

they made pistons sound like a wet rag, or a fish that has jumped out of the water and is slapping around on the floor

[lone tree]

Would a #air tag be useful?

[jagged stag]

wha

for what

[lone tree]

for mods

[late sentinel]

No

air is not an adjustable concept

Either a block is air at the code level or it is not

[remote void]

Use isAir check in code

Blocks have that method that modded blocks can override

It also has consequences too in vanilla where chunk sections of only isAir true blocks will get all the blocks erased and converted to vanilla AIR block

[uncut birch]

neither are stairs technically and those have a block tag that's used in a structure processor for some reason [ask me how i know]

[remote void]

But also consider, what use case would an air tag provide that isAir can’t cover?

They aren’t something you can craft either

[hard ivy]

why do you know

err. how

[prisma smelt]

he said "ask me how", not "ask me why" /j

[remote void]

There’s some structure processors that uses block tags for knowing how to rot blocks

[lone tree]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-271911

[uncut birch]

i had a datagen error and it put air in the tag, so minecraft crashed whenever it tried to generate the structure

[fallow horizon]

might end up being #allows_frost_walker_below

[lone tree]

yeah

[uncut birch]

the hilarious thing is there's no reason to use a tag since it's clearly only designed to run on structures that only contain stone brick stairs

since it'd replace any stairs with mossy stone brick stairs or slabs

[remote void]

Or they don’t

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-232360

They tend not to do anything about the air stuff

[prisma smelt]

or they just adjust the blockstate predicate lol

[remote void]

They can switch to having the predicate in json just check directly for air, cave air, and void air

No tags at all

[prisma smelt]

yeah

[uncut birch]

maybe they'll fix worldgen so cave air doesn't end up in the final world

void air is pretty niche for this, who puts water at the build limit and tries to walk on top of it

[prisma smelt]

I wish they would put actual info on the world loading screen

[digital scaffold]

I remember one time I replaced void air under the world with water

[prisma smelt]

Terraria's world creation screen is awesome

[digital scaffold]

Well they do put a lot compared to what they used to

[prisma smelt]

Minecraft could do something similar

yes of course

[digital scaffold]

It's not a worldgen screen, it's a loading screen

[prisma smelt]

but there's always ways to improve

[prisma smelt]

yes, but

that could be changed

[digital scaffold]

They literally show how the loading is going

[prisma smelt]

especially for worlds that are being newly created

[digital scaffold]

Each step of chunk loading is color coded

[prisma smelt]

except that "how the loading is going" isn't really representative

how so

[remote void]

It represents the chunk status

[digital scaffold]

Each "pixel" is a chunk, and that pixel's color is the chunk status, yeah

[prisma smelt]

ok and what does it actually mean

because currently I imagine 99% of users just go "haha funny colors"

(I do, at least)

[remote void]

It means if it isn’t a normal square, someone fucked up worldgen

[digital scaffold]

These are the statuses

[sinful hazel]

whenever chunk generation changes we get bug reports about this thing looking different

[digital scaffold]

Worldgen steps

[sinful hazel]

😅

[prisma smelt]

I'm not opposed to it existing, I just think that it could use some sort of explanation

somewhere

maybe that already exists and I just didn't see it

[sinful hazel]

to be fair at this point it is kind of iconic, it’s not infrequent that you see someone talking about world generation and show a picture of this screen haha

[prisma smelt]

I'm not saying change it, I'm saying explain it

[digital scaffold]

CubicChunks has a legend, but I don't see that fitting in the base game, as it's rather technical info that most people would just be confused by

The wiki explains it

[sinful hazel]

oh but I also agree this screen is not useful haha

[digital scaffold]

Right at the top: https://minecraft.wiki/w/Loading_world_screen

[sinful hazel]

beautiful

[remote void]

Someone should abuse worldgen to make the load screen be a square map image of the world like the third pic

[digital scaffold]

Or play Bad Apple (sorry I had to say it)

[prisma smelt]

new mod idea: Minesweeper In The World Loading Screen

[light arrow]

hmm mixin to rickroll via that screen

[remote void]

Anyway Mojang has bigger things to focus on. Like next April fools update

[sinful hazel]

gotta have stakes, or what’s the fun!

[digital scaffold]

If you blow it up, all spawn chunks get deleted

[prisma smelt]

if you fail, world is deleted

[remote void]

I mean, Mojang could do a minesweeper update for April fools where you mine a block and all surrounding connected non mine blocks up to 10 radius gets a number overlay for surrounding mines. So it’ll be 3D minesweeper with high amounts of mines.

Mine a mine block and get a charged creeper explosion

[obsidian tide]

[prisma smelt]

that would actually be funny

[obsidian tide]

I'm unsure how you would do that with blocks you can't see

[prisma smelt]

you wouldn't

[remote void]

You would just mine very carefully

[obsidian tide]

fair enough

[remote void]

To reveal them and see their numbers

[prisma smelt]

but let's just stop giving them ideas

[jagged stag]

that never works

[hard ivy]

don't let your memes be dreams

[austere ocean]

I was working on exactly this last night lmao

[austere ocean]

going great

[austere ocean]

it works

gonna get a full video with sound tomorrow

[digital scaffold]

Does this actually control chunk loading?

Very neat either way

[light arrow]

do a rickroll next (hmm might be funny as an april fools joke for neoforge)

[odd flare]

it' a snapshot day!

[red sigil]

Wetpistonday

[light arrow]

<t:1716386400:R>

[hard ivy]

[twilit slate]

I really hope they finally do the big change

like comon Mojang you have teased it enought

[hard ivy]

the 'big change' being what, exactly?

moving to Kotlin?

[odd flare]

yeah, you mean the [redacted] change you wanted for months?
[redacted] is not [redacted]
and bit big either
[redacted] is big however, but that will be released when [redacted] happens

[half plaza]

The BLOCK_TYPE registry being used?

[hard ivy]

the data-driven future ✨

[viscid rune]

the 3d mace?

i'm still hoping

[light arrow]

brewing recipes

[blissful nebula]

Will never happen

[light arrow]

they even abstracted recipes away from using container... I can literally write a few recipe types for it on the latest snapshot (the biggest problem for neo is the vanilla compat)

it's also the most upvoted suggestion in the java-datapack channel on the feedback discord (currently 58)

[late sentinel]

You can trivially hook up a data loader for additional brewing recipes, what you cannot trivially do is name all the vanilla recipes and make them datapack-removable

Placebo already ships a data loader for new brewing recipes / mixes

[odd flare]

all I want, is a renderer made in Vulkan
AND, something called haskell support
(ok last one is a joke)

[light arrow]

I did in my PR using an in-memory datapack

[light arrow]

that won't happen before 1.24

[lone tree]

wgpu in Minecraft Java

[twilit slate]

If I had to guess they are having their sprint ceremony currently

Then they will decide to do a release
Post the frogs
And press the button

I can imagine them on a standup call each saying shit like:
"I sliced more lime" or "I fried more frys"

Then someone says "I made the whole engine multi threaded" and everyone is like "boo boo sit down"

Yeah they are for sure sitting and watching the project lead drag the Jira tickets in to the done column

[hard ivy]

[twilit slate]

I think they finished the standup and are having lunch now

Wonder what the food situation is there

[blissful nebula]

😛

[twilit slate]

Do they have a cafeteria?
do they go out as a group to the local Chinese food shop?
Do they have free coffee in the office?
etc etc etc these are the omportnat questions!!

[odd flare]

why don't you go to Sweden and see for yourself?

[twilit slate]

Because I'm at work as well and just finished my lunch break after my sprint closing meeting

[odd flare]

then stop using discord silly
and fix work stuff

[twilit slate]

[unreal timber]

then go to sweden and see if they have a cafeteria

[lone tree]

MC-67 is fixed

[light arrow]

wow a 2 digit bug 👀

[lone tree]

Yeap

[hard ivy]

[modest imp]

wow

[hard ivy]

i wonder how they fixed it

[lone tree]

It's an old bug

[odd flare]

we know
that is the more reason to ask how they fixed it

because it likely became a feature for many

[lone tree]

Does this bug fix break farms or not?

[light arrow]

it breaks portal based jockey sorters

[austere ocean]

it does not :p
there are two mixins involved: one overrides the loading screen chunk statuses to play the video and one forces the singleplayer server to never finish loading so the screen stays up

the code is disgusting tho
lots of global state involved

[lone tree]

There may be a lot of changes in this new snapshot, I hope.

[steep copper]

I'm thinking they redid entity networking or entity data, due to all the changes

stream codecs for entity info?

[remote void]

nah

they changed json for yaml

[austere ocean]

data driven mob effeeeects

if I say it enough it'll be real

[odd flare]

I do wonder...
what cursed stuff they have planned for later...
I do hope some massive cursed things

[steep copper]

....no, Google. Not what I wanted.

fucking brands, man

[austere ocean]

they sell cannons on the internet?

[red sigil]

of course

[austere ocean]

delivery must suck

[red sigil]

...it's the internet

[steep copper]

I was gonna get an image, post it here, and tell Tele to get in

but noooo, BRANDS

[red sigil]

holy fuck google

it's WORSE than that for me

I searched explicitly cannon -canon to skip the photo cameras

[remote void]

XML datapacks

[red sigil]

AND IT CHOSE TO SHOW ME A CATALAN WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT A TV SERIES

[fiery galleon]

someones new to the internet
search hard/long enough you will find anything

[odd flare]

not their fault that you searched on their name 😛

[steep copper]

[red sigil]

and a brand's website

LITERALLY SEARCHED AN ENGLISH WORD GIVE ME RESULTS ABOUT THE ENGLISH WORD

[steep copper]

I tried "cannon", and then EXPLICITLY told it not to include "canon"

[red sigil]

no I did not f*ing mean "canon"

[austere ocean]

searching cannon AS IN THE WEAPON does work

[odd flare]

the camera is searched more
so it assumes a typo most of the time

hence why we Dutch use kanon

[steep copper]

Get in, Finn

[red sigil]

yes it works like that but you shouldn't need to do that

[odd flare]

no correction!

[odd flare]

tbh, I might have one... within 10km of me

[red sigil]

anyhow

have they posted frogs yet?

[odd flare]

https://tenor.com/view/shawty-surprise-gif-20863383

[austere ocean]

need a bot that watches their Twitter feeds to detect posts containing frogs

[steep copper]

or.. OR... just listen for manifest changes

[austere ocean]

borinf

the problem with the practical solution is that it can't comedically fail and begin hallucinating non-existent snapshots

[odd flare]

how much do you wanna pay for their API

[austere ocean]

ugh

Elon Musk yet again getting in the way of a good time

[odd flare]

https://developer.x.com/en/docs/twitter-api/getting-started/about-twitter-api
since you can't read them

[steep copper]

bluesky better

[light arrow]

write only is free wtf memelon

[steep copper]

by a lot

[half plaza]

And it costs $100 per month to use the api to read posts

[twilit slate]

and nobody know what scraping is /s

[light arrow]

user access is limited to 10k tweets a day I think

but we are getting off topic here

[odd flare]

good luck
Elon made it bloody hard

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1105617598331461830

on topic again

[light arrow]

no frogs, no post

[twilit slate]

[odd flare]

don;t be sad
when you are working, they will release it

they have been doing that to me for a few weeks now

[twilit slate]

my body hasn't been working for months

[austere ocean]

Friday snapshot...?

[digital scaffold]

The snapshot doesn't usually release this early

I don't think

[austere ocean]

I can never remember when it releases

[fallow horizon]

about an hour from now, iirc

[twilit slate]

hmmm maybe if we used the domino index near the mojang offices we could see if they are in a crunch or not?

[austere ocean]

where's my manifest tab

[odd flare]

just go to their office, and ask

[light arrow]

Last week was 1h earlier

[austere ocean]

"hi, I'm from the Neoforge discord and I wanted to ask when the next snapshot's releasing"

[hard ivy]

fax an image of a frog

[odd flare]

it was for dpeter

since why would domino give us data

[austere ocean]

the mental image amuses me

afaict the closest Domino's to Mojang's Stockholm offices is 8km away

there's one 1km away from their Redmond office, tho :p

it's closed, darn

[twilit slate]

what other food could they be ordering??

[austere ocean]

no clue

[twilit slate]

we must know more about the diet of the employees!!

[fiery galleon]

aww man now i want a dominos

[steep copper]

just ping the problem causers, ez /s/s/s/s/s

[austere ocean]

as if they aren't always watching us

[twilit slate]

don't tempt me!

[primal spade]

Isn't the usual time around 5 pm

So in 20 minutes

[viscid crane]

Oh yeah, today is snapshot day

What do y’all think, are we finally getting datadriven items? Or just more fixes and minimal changes

[steep copper]

I'm betting entity data going through stream codecs, or similar work

[austere ocean]

holding out hope for data-driven mob effects

[odd flare]

!donttemptme

[mighty prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/540691915373412393/1154392376459132958/image.png

[steep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-po-dont-tempt-me-temptation-dont-make-me-gif-25188763

[odd flare]

also, I could just do it
I did the original finnderp after all
do note, I am obligated to include Cpw in the ping as well

[viscid crane]

Datadriven Entity models would be great

After 3 years

[light arrow]

the closest to their office is a mcdonalds

[austere ocean]

but is it open

[light arrow]

yes

[steep copper]

soobway

[odd flare]

that one employee that takes the food from their home: 👋

[fiery galleon]

<@&1067092163520909374>
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-24w21a

[austere ocean]

oop

[alpine pelican]

New version detected: 24w21a.

[austere ocean]

AYYY

piston sounds reverted

Pause menu now can include a list of links provided by server

[light arrow]

data-driven jukeboxes

[fiery galleon]

silly bot, i already beat you to it xD

[obsidian tide]

It seems we cooked a bit too hard with the new Piston sounds last week, which is why we're reverting back to the old sounds again

[odd flare]

Shaders

[hard ivy]

IT BEGINS

[austere ocean]

custom server crash report details?!

[odd flare]

and

Added @n entity selector, selecting the nearest entity
This functions as @e[sort=nearest,limit=1]
Additional requirements may still be provided; for example: @n[type=pig] will select the closest Pig

[digital scaffold]

...and there it is

[viscid crane]

Pause menu now can include a list of links provided by server

What

[austere ocean]

WUH

[steep copper]

Oh man, @n will be NICE

[austere ocean]

JUKEBOX SONG REGISTRY

[lethal pivot]

It’s probably like to allow custom buttons by servers in the pause menu, like hypizel

[hard ivy]

Proudly sponsored by <insert hosting provider here>

[queen fog]

nice

[austere ocean]

holy hell

[odd flare]

SHADERS!

[hard ivy]

[odd flare]

SHADERS
The blend block in core shader definitions has been removed, as it was not used
The position_color_tex shader has been removed, replaced with the pre-existing position_tex_color
The glint_direct shader has been removed, replaced with the pre-existing glint shader
The armor_glint shader has been removed, as it was unused

[fiery galleon]

i already know what i want to use that for
/gander watch @n xD follow around the nearest entity

[lone tree]

air: All blocks that resemble air

[viscid crane]

Instead, attribute modifiers are now uniquely identified by a namespaced ID, similar to other resources```

Thank fucking god

[odd flare]

but I have heard one one being happy about the new piston sounds

[balmy estuary]

The server links features nice

[odd flare]

@red sigil they fixed it

[obsidian tide]

hmm yes, this air here is made out of air

[balmy estuary]

That allows servers to define links like Discord servers and various other things directly in the game now, and not just through chat, which is fantastic!

[steep copper]

Lul, jukebox playable is a component

Time to shove a trident in a jukebox

[balmy estuary]

Everything is becoming data driven which is better

[viscid crane]

still no datadriven items tho…

[odd flare]

imma go make a "link-blocker mod"

[viscid crane]

Or entity models…

[odd flare]

give them time

[viscid crane]

damn

[odd flare]

rome wasn't make in a week either

[viscid crane]

They’ve had over 9 years

[steep copper]

So, I was kinda close on entity data - there WERE changes

Just not full streams I guess

[odd flare]

and they are making more and more things data driven
doesn't mean they need to care for us to do it next week or next version

[fiery galleon]

Block Tags
air: All blocks that resemble air
wasnt there a pr recently to add this which got turned down?

and mojang just did it themsleves

[steep copper]

Time to fire that PR back up lol

[alpine pelican]

Minecraft Snapshot 24w21a

This week we're bringing a Snapshot you can vibe out to! This time around we're bringing data-driven jukeboxes, a new gamerule, and a bunch of fixes.Happy vibing!ChangesIt seems we cooked a bit too hard with the new Piston sounds last week, which is why we...

May 22, 2024, 2:44 PM

[viscid crane]

I am still salty about those datadriven entity models thing being a bust

[odd flare]

#AntiAirPr

[austere ocean]

finally, a snapshot to vibe out to

[lone tree]

Air is air

[twilit slate]

24w21a

Links:
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-24w21a
Snow:
https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/8185dd13cb5b03466e0e0a07b7f85e1a938b87b0

24w21b

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-24w21b
It's like Christmas
https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/182495bc46fa2d717cefec06d21a58b44d8916dc

NeoForm: 24w21b-20240522.183735

https://github.com/neoforged/Kits/compare/2298129fe57e...7636f98cc887

[odd flare]

late /s

[fiery galleon]

now awaiting the datapacks to tag diamond block as air or something

[green pond]

They first created datapacks 5 years ago

[steep copper]

dimension_padding is nice, but Mojang pls, plsplspls add a way to get optimal structure spawn requirements... Gander would be so nice at that point

[austere ocean]

oh, so you can make anything playable in a jukebox now :3c

[odd flare]

time to play my fav prom music in a jukebox

mean what

[austere ocean]

as in any item

[steep copper]

inserts diamond

[odd flare]

inserts d... no

[austere ocean]

now we just need data-driven noteblock instruments :3

[twilit slate]

and even show has already fallen

[green pond]

plays mining diamonds song

[hard ivy]

someone bonk finn

[odd flare]

what..?
I meant disc

get your mind out of the gutter 😛

[hard ivy]

too late -- bonk

[steep copper]

-pickaxe- [Don't Mine At Night] starts playing

[hard ivy]

creeper? aw man

[odd flare]

can't blame me for your having a horny mind, Sci 😛

[austere ocean]

what a sentence

[balmy estuary]

Turns bedrock into air

[austere ocean]

this will require some number of changes to CC: Tweaked

[odd flare]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-it-i-love-minecraft-creeper-aww-man-beat-box-in-show-down-gif-15472116

[red sigil]

It seems we cooked a bit too hard with the new Piston sounds last week, which is why we're reverting back to the old sounds again
Lowered volume of original sounds to address initial feedback of Pistons being too loud
smh they couldn't come up with a new sound that was quieter but didn't sound like slapping spaghetti

[steep copper]

🍝

[austere ocean]

but they listened

[steep copper]

it's in their code too

[digital scaffold]

Looks like they removed ResourceLocation constructors (or rather made them private)

[steep copper]

oh god

[digital scaffold]

Static factories go brrrr

[steep copper]

RIP every mod ever

[remote void]

but.. why

[austere ocean]

wuh

[steep copper]

Are RLs records?

They should be

[digital scaffold]

Wait

[green pond]

pin this

[digital scaffold]

New witty comments

[fiery galleon]

no because ModelResourceLocation extends RL iirc

[remote void]

show class code fo resourcelocations

[light arrow]

MeshData 👀

[austere ocean]

where's the diff

[remote void]

well, I should have access to these diffs but idk where to look lol

[digital scaffold]

They have different witty comments for different types of error reports (so there's ones for crashes, ones for network errors, etc)

[austere ocean]

?!

[obsidian tide]

ATs go brrr

[austere ocean]

quick, update the wiki!

[light arrow]

the second link here tele

[austere ocean]

private

[obsidian tide]

yeah, because minecraft source code

[austere ocean]

fair enough

[digital scaffold]

Profiler witty comments

[remote void]

you would call ResourceLocation.fromNamespaceAndPath(<string1>,<string2>) now.

[steep copper]

ew

[austere ocean]

RIP every mod ever

[remote void]

there's a few other static methods. The goal was to remove the ambiguous constructors and make you explicitly state how to parse the strings

[steep copper]

Imagine ResourceLocation.namespaced

[obsidian tide]

[steep copper]

1.17 MILLION deletions?!

damn

[digital scaffold]

For me:

[austere ocean]

how can I generate a diff myself?

sure, but what kind of sacrifice do I need

[digital scaffold]

You just decompile the game on the previous snapshot, create a Git repo in the directory and commit the code, then decompile the new version and commit that, then push the repo to a private GitHub repository, and check the diff

Or don't push it and read the diff in IntelliJ

[steep copper]

You don't even need to push

[digital scaffold]

Yeah same

[austere ocean]

easy as that
shame I'm not at my desktop right now

[remote void]

mojang heard we all like breaking changes so much that they now make ResourceLocation constructors no longer public. So you to use these static methods:
ResourceLocation.fromNamespaceAndPath(<namespace>, <path>)
ResourceLocation.parse(<stringWithColon>)
ResourceLocation.parse(<string>, <separator>)
ResourceLocation.withDefaultNamespace(<path>)
ResourceLocation.tryParse(<stringWithColon>)
ResourceLocation.tryBuild(<namespace>, <path>)

[fallow horizon]

calling it now that some mods will just AT the constructors

[obsidian tide]

I mean, that is clearer, gotta give them that

[fiery galleon]

so many changed files this week, github cant load them all

[digital scaffold]

fromNamespaceAndPath

[hard ivy]

[remote void]

only the 2 string constructor exists now. The single string one is gone

[green pond]

Pin this please

[digital scaffold]

It's so long

[fallow horizon]

oh god the vertex rendering APIs have taken damage

[digital scaffold]

Well mine only says 7200, so I think yours is wrong

[hard ivy]

perhaps you're including resources?

[digital scaffold]

Sometimes some files fail to decompile

[hard ivy]

my one guess

[digital scaffold]

So is Ocelot

[remote void]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-damage-gif-21579882

[agile canyon]

The buffer changes...

AHHHH

[hard ivy]

hmmm

[green pond]

thank you @hard ivy

[obsidian tide]

which buffer?

[digital scaffold]

Which can make the diff very large because the whole file changed (it's often Blocks or Items that OOM)

[agile canyon]

Looking at BufferBuilder rn

But probably the rest too

[obsidian tide]

ok, so rendering buffer

[green pond]

Mojang why

[fallow horizon]

at first glance they seem to have implemented optimizations somewhat along the lines of what sodium is doing to the bufferbuilder

[obsidian tide]

[green pond]

Why must you make us suffer like this

[fallow horizon]

vertexconsumer calls now do a direct memory write into native memory

at least some of them

[austere ocean]

[agile canyon]

Also, I'd like to complain about why they just renamed all the VertexConsumer methods with add* or set*

[green pond]

I think I might have to update AutoAFKFish, and I never have to update that...

[agile canyon]

Also, I can see you ResourceLocation#withDefaultNamespace

[fallow horizon]

addVertex pushes a new vertex, setThing changes the property "thing" of that particular vertex

[light arrow]

gander -> 🗑️

[weary moon]

Block Tags
air: All blocks that resemble air

[austere ocean]

nothing better than massive internal changes

[fallow horizon]

so yeah any code that used a vertexconsumer probably requires some refactoring at the very least

[agile canyon]

Will need xfact and embeddedt's help for making sure I understand all the rendering changes for the primer

Currently skipping for now since it's a hassle

[hard ivy]

someone did, yes

[weary moon]

Lolo did iirc

[hard ivy]

Mojang smiled kindly upon them

[lone tree]

Yeap

[austere ocean]

[remote void]

how and why. ANd why wont they fix the freaking chunk section air issue

[digital scaffold]

Wait, stats are in the achievement package. How have I never noticed this?

[viscid crane]

Wait what

Rendering changes?

[digital scaffold]

Quite a few of them

What happened here I wonder

[agile canyon]

Hmm, looks like attribute modifiers are now a ResourceLocation rather than a uuid plus name

[weary moon]

Probably for the FrostWalker fix?

[digital scaffold]

Yep

It's in the changelog

Maybe the compiler didn't emit a pop for some reason?

Which would be weird, since javac implements expression lambdas at the AST level, as part of desugaring

[balmy estuary]

Can you show the class?

[fiery galleon]

ahhh thanks git, i totally didnt want to read this diff

[austere ocean]

eated it

[twilit slate]

they added a factory function. it s fine

[digital scaffold]

I can't show the class, I haven't gotten there yet

[agile canyon]

Ok, the vertex changes seem to be a lot simpler than I thought they would be

Shaders on the other hand can go burn in a hole for a bit

[timber saddle]

what changed w/ shaders?

[agile canyon]

Bunch of things I haven't looked into yet since I'm putting it off until the end of the primer

[timber saddle]

oh lord

[jagged stag]

fuuuuuuck

[remote void]

it's just a small present for you!

inb4 mojang deletes the mth class

[fallow horizon]

they moved the chunk meshing loop into another class, whoever does kits will have to have fun moving that patch around

RenderChunkRegion no longer uses multidimensional arrays to store the cloned chunks

[light arrow]

@white pond @half plaza

[fallow horizon]

it might be worth starting on kits at this point tbh

[viscid crane]

kits?

[light arrow]

well we need to wait for neoform

[digital scaffold]

Well a bit of it could actually be removed. Mth.clamp for example, since we now have Math.clamp

[lone tree]

NeoForge without patch

[light arrow]

the private porting repo with the mc sources

[viscid crane]

Ah

~~The illegal one ~~

[light arrow]

it would be illegal if it were public

[gusty flower]

is that so? I will potentially enjoy using it in Gander at some point

[steep copper]

Apex and I are already chatting >.>

[gusty flower]

WITHOUT ME???

[fiery galleon]

ooh she got a knife *silently backs away*

[steep copper]

I'd send a friend request to DM, but you aren't accepting them

[gusty flower]

O

[fallow horizon]

👀

how many of you work on gander now lol

[hard ivy]

looks to be three

[agile canyon]

ResourceLocation#parse?

[hard ivy]

when are you joining their cadre, embedded

[remote void]

yeah thats one of the static methods pinned here

but anyone using the one string constructor now can't just AT their way through

[weary moon]

it might be faster to ask who isn't

[remote void]

they have to split up their string and AT to use thw two string constructor or switch to the static methods

[digital scaffold]

They really should just switch to the static methods though

[red sigil]

why AT when you can search&replace

[remote void]

good luck convincing modders to do so lol

[digital scaffold]

🤨

[red sigil]

new ResourceLocation -> ResourceLocation.parse or whatever the other one is

[digital scaffold]

We aren't that lazy. At least most of us aren't

[red sigil]

not lazy, the main issue is people trying REALLY HARD to make their mod cross-version

[digital scaffold]

Oh

Fair

[fallow horizon]

brb making a regex to do it

[remote void]

and people being lazy

[hard ivy]

I call mine loc

[remote void]

I'll switch

[red sigil]

mine is location

[hard ivy]

so SnowyWeaponry.loc("thingy")

[digital scaffold]

For sure

Mojang even does it now

[hard ivy]

i like comparing names

[digital scaffold]

ResourceLocation.withDefaultNamespace

[red sigil]

    public static ResourceLocation location(String path)
    {
        return new ResourceLocation(MODID, path);
    }

[digital scaffold]

A bit bulky imo, but to each their own

(referring to Mojang's, not yours)

[remote void]

SW.l("thingy")

shorter isnt always better

especially with ide autocomplete

[digital scaffold]

Well they could've called it ResourceLocation.minecraft

[fallow horizon]

it turns out regex-matching escaped quotes is a pain

nevermind

[austere ocean]

I have an extension method on ResourceLocation for this

[digital scaffold]

You can't have an RL with escaped quotes

[remote void]

embed, give me an example input line and what it should transform to. I can make you a regex

[fallow horizon]

true

that makes this trivial

sec

[red sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-computer-twitter-gif-12385391

[hard ivy]

that's too short

[red sigil]

that would autocomplete on your IDE

[fallow horizon]

in intellij, find new ResourceLocation\((".*")\) and replace with ResourceLocation.parse($1)

ez

[hard ivy]

hmmm, the fix version is Future Update rather than iirc Future Hotfix

[red sigil]

no need

no wait, need

you only want to replace one-param versions

[hard ivy]

need no wait?

[fallow horizon]

ah, this captures two-param as well, whoops

[red sigil]

\"(?:[^\\\"]|\\.)*\"

[obsidian tide]

well, that would replace new ResourceLocation("test", "test") with ResourceLocation.parse("test", "test") if I'm not mistaken

[red sigil]

this is my usual regex for basic string parsing

[hard ivy]

isn't there some sort of structural find and replace

[digital scaffold]

.*?

[red sigil]

embeddedt: https://regex101.com/r/p7yyzd/1

[fallow horizon]

neat

[weary moon]

looks at Comby

[red sigil]

in practice, though

it's more likely you do new ResourceLocation(variable) or even an expression

so parsing only a string would have only very limited usefulness :P

[fallow horizon]

good point

[digital scaffold]

I feel bad for whoever had to write these out

[odd flare]

you can generate them

[austere ocean]

why is baby in there twice

[digital scaffold]

Because they apparently had had two modifiers for that

[austere ocean]

the capitalization of the hex digits is inconsistent

[light arrow]

still waiting for neoform... where is the neoform team

[fiery galleon]

if i knew how to run it i would, i think i have access

[red sigil]

that just means they weren't generated by the same tool

[digital scaffold]

Yeah, there's hundreds of tools to generate UUIDs

[austere ocean]

what, you're telling me the Mojang devs can't mentally generate random UUID4s?

[odd flare]

if you do, you should get help /s

[austere ocean]

yeah, when I was a baby I was bitten by a radioactive PRNG

[odd flare]

👀

[austere ocean]

it's happening agaiiiiiin

[odd flare]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-272321

this one I guess

[austere ocean]

watch it be another one-line change

[alpine pelican]

New version detected: 24w21b.

[odd flare]

because Maty /s

[austere ocean]

smh respecting the ratelimits

[alpine pelican]

Minecraft Snapshot 24w21b

We are now releasing snapshot 24w21b to fix a frequent crash which happened when Zombies spawned in areas of high local difficulty.Fixed bugs in 24w21bMC-272321 Crash after upgrading snapshot world to 24w21a...

May 22, 2024, 4:40 PM

[mighty prawn]

#1812

rate limits aren't limits, more like... suggestions
- Ginger (ping please!) (Ginger)

[austere ocean]

what

[odd flare]

did you just self quote?

[gusty flower]

what the hell did they do to the screen blit shader

[austere ocean]

I fetched my own quote :p

[fallow horizon]

excellent question

[odd flare]

sure... but I can't find that message anywhere in this server...
so... please don't self quote

wait you didn't

q

[mighty prawn]

[Reference to](#1233004919322054678 message) #1233004919322054678 [➤ ](#1233004919322054678 message)Added quote #1812.

gingershaped referenced · May 10, 2024, 4:21 PM

[odd flare]

I hate discord search

[austere ocean]

:3c

[fallow horizon]

yeah i quoted that

[austere ocean]

the trick is to search for the quote number :p

[gusty flower]

like, changing the fragment shader I get; but the VERTEX shader change????

[odd flare]

well ignore what I said then XD

[digital scaffold]

All the structures change every snapshot, no matter the size

Because their DV increases

[hard ivy]

<@&1067092163520909374>

24w21b

https://mdcfe.dev/mc-changes?ver=24w21b

[austere ocean]

I will be awaiting your televised apology

[odd flare]

wait
you are not @twilit slate

[hard ivy]

[lone tree]

Nice hotfix

[gusty flower]

I guess it KINDA makes sense, but still, it's REALLY weird

[balmy estuary]

2 snaps on one day?! Damn

[odd flare]

its almost 19:00 for them

[fallow horizon]

I haven't read the shader yet, only the Java side change

reading the shader now

[austere ocean]

24w21c: "oops sorry we forgot to mention that we made items data-driven"

[hard ivy]

looks like dpeter is updating the original pinned message

i've poked Snowman to regen

[odd flare]

[fallow horizon]

maybe removing the matrix & color multiplication has a small benefit to FPS?

I don't really speak shader very well

😛

[twilit slate]

Yes also dpeter99 is in a lot of pain so excuse me for not finishing the update fast enough

[odd flare]

then go sleep or see doctor

[twilit slate]

On the agenda already

[gusty flower]

I doubt it, but maybe avoiding the two uniform uploads per blit helps somehow?

[digital scaffold]

I'm still reading the a diff 🙃

[hard ivy]

https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/182495bc46fa2d717cefec06d21a58b44d8916dc

[austere ocean]

three copies of the snapshot name lol

[hard ivy]

something about the branding I think

[gusty flower]

There's AFAIK only two places where they DO this in the entire codebase

[austere ocean]

it's marked as deprecated for... some reason

Mojang works in mysterious ways

[twilit slate]

Updated the pinned post

[odd flare]

who reads the pins anyway

[digital scaffold]

Isn't it a public static final constant in there?

[gusty flower]

interesting how they added a window platform helper method

[twilit slate]

Shut up... I find I useful to find the links.
Also would be more useful if we had neoform version strings to post as well

[austere ocean]

so when they release a snapshot they need to bump:

• the hardcoded name string in DetectedVersion
• the WORLD_VERSION constant
• the deprecated VERSION_STRING constant
• SNAPSHOT_NETWORK_PROTOCOL_VERSION
• the return value of getProtocolVersion(), which I guess is entirely different from that other constant
• the hardcoded name string in ReportEnvironment

better not forget one!

[fiery galleon]

they prob use shared constants everywhere and decomp is removing that ref

[odd flare]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-gonna-shut-up-kyle-braxton-players-im-not-going-to-be-quiet-ill-never-gonna-shut-up-gif-25975502

[hard ivy]

I assume automation plays a role there

[fallow horizon]

wdym

[austere ocean]

I'd hope so

[fallow horizon]

for chunk rendering they issue a uniform upload for every subchunk

[gusty flower]

i'm talking about the screen blit shader, they changed it for seemingly no reason

[fallow horizon]

ah

[digital scaffold]

Probably only the constant is the one that needs updating

Remember javac inlines constants

[gusty flower]

they only blit to screen twice using that shader, ever

[digital scaffold]

It inlines static final constants, yes

[gusty flower]

one is the main blit to screen, the other is the entity outlines

[digital scaffold]

It also inlines final constants that are locals

[austere ocean]

good, they're not that crazy

I was ready to accept that that was just how it was, though

[digital scaffold]

I wouldn't be suprised if some of the others get filled in by some Gradle plugin

[gusty flower]

wait, MeshData.indexBuffer()????

They're starting to used indexed rendering holy smokes

this should mean entity rendering is a LOT faster

wait no I misremembered

I was thinking of instanced rendering

yeah I just saw in and have a huge headache because of work so my brain autocompleted to instanced

[jagged stag]

it's a chance when it happens

[light arrow]

<@&1242898841586372638> we want to start kits from todays b snapshot please fix neoform

[jagged stag]

whose idea was that role

[light arrow]

mine and sci did it

[half plaza]

Accidentally ran the check workflow for 24w21a instead of 24w21b

[half plaza]

#builds message

[mighty prawn]

[Jump to referenced message](#builds message) in #builds

coehlrich referenced · May 22, 2024, 6:38 PM

NeoForm

Build Successful

Version

24w21b-20240522.183735

Build Branch

1.21-dev

Minecraft Version

24w21b

Quoted · May 22, 2024, 6:38 PM

[white pond]

Oh just came back. Anything interesting?

[viscid crane]

chunk stitching got extracted to itss own class, apperantly

[light arrow]

it's going https://github.com/neoforged/actions/actions/runs/9196787800/job/25295697505

[agile canyon]

Ok, take your primer: https://gist.github.com/ChampionAsh5357/d895a7b1a34341e19c80870720f9880f

[light arrow]

88 reject files

[primal spade]

ah we should wait for the event refactor

[light arrow]

this is a way better diff than snowman (1.20.6 -> 24w21b) https://github.com/neoforged/Kits/compare/2298129fe57e...7636f98cc887

[primal spade]

[white pond]

MeshData, interesting

[steep copper]

Waiting for Mojang to outgrow their int/enum-based GameEvent system...

[fallow horizon]

what's the process for coordinating working on those

[white pond]

depends on how much it is

@light arrow are you working on it, or can I pick it up?

I really shouldn't but I could do some mindless work right now 😛

[fiery galleon]

i wouldnt mind helping out (porting is one of the reasons i applied for maintainer afterall)
if someone wouldnt mind sitting in vc with me
talk me through the porting process and stuff so that im not doing stuff wrong

[primal spade]

publish the experimental gradle plugin?

[light arrow]

as tech said actually working on them only makes sense when the event refactor is in

[white pond]

yeah yeah i know

yeah gonna stop right at the start and do the gradle plugin instead 😄

BufferBuilder seems interesting

they seem to be building right into off-heap memory now

[fallow horizon]

yes

and I think they got rid of a bunch of indirection in the old implementation that slowed it down

[primal spade]

VertexBufferWriter 🦀 ?

[white pond]

IDK I just looked at the BufferBuilder

It has a ByteBufferBuilder backing it up

[fallow horizon]

no, pretty sure it will still be needed for fast delegation from wrapper VertexConsumers

but the custom VC currently put in front of BufferBuilder to do direct writes into off-heap memory is now redundant

[viscid crane]

I just wish they would stop with the weird naming of shit

just call it materials

Not render layer, state shards, shader shards...

[prisma smelt]

I might just have a look at that CommonHooks/EventHooks cleanup

[primal spade]

you should have a look at the event refactor first if you have free time 😛

[prisma smelt]

that's the neat part, I don't

at least not until this weekend

but yeah, I might just do that

[unreal timber]

#DamagePipelinePRMergeWhen

[balmy estuary]

I wish everything that they did as an Enum that can change, net.minecraft.world.item.component.FireworkExplosion.Shape for example, an Object instead, and hooked it up to a registry

Or atleast use Interfaces?

IShape

[digital scaffold]

Where's the second parse arg come from?

[agile canyon]

Don’t know, I thought I removed it

I’ll deal with it when I’m back in front of a computer

And fixed

[lone tree]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-170907 What caused this bug?

[hallow mantle]

The description tells you

[turbid hatch]

a mistake

[red sigil]

it's just cumulative error

the game has two kinds of position updates, absolute and relative

[hallow mantle]

The same thing that happens on planes all the time

[red sigil]

the relative updates assume that the client's copy of the value is correct

but when you don't sync the absolute value at the right times, it can drift away

in this case

when an entity is out of tracking distance (invisible to the client), the game isn't sending updates

so the values drift more and more

[light arrow]

https://x.com/gegybeans/status/1793931106548604934 well who is Bob?

Gegy (@gegybeans) on X

but who is bob?

Twitter · May 24, 2024, 9:04 AM

[red sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-5641122

[light arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-anakshie-gif-25892614

https://tenor.com/view/bobross-art-gif-4621523

[odd flare]

this guy, ofc

[twilit slate]

Probably the person who manages their ci/cd setup

[weary moon]