Feedback for the May 2026 Balance Patch

[uncut wyvern]

yeah, that's right, we're doin' this again

I have some very particular thoughts about this balance patch. I'm sure you do, too
so leave all your glazin', fair shakes, complaints, and hot takes here

very large image of Pressure Gauntlet unrelated*

[ashen grail]

i can't believe swordsage is real

[white wave]

Hi scouts

[ashen grail]

it wasn't even completely unplayable

now its actually real

its like a dream come true

ssage stonks up 2000%

[sour gyro]

feedback forum before server open

[steep atlas]

would like to hear what people think of ataraxian echo now

[ashen grail]

YAY YIPPEE

now i know why my bodkin kept missing aerial mobs

[steep atlas]

before it was feet location at start -> feet location at end, 0.7 block radius cylinder

[ashen grail]

it was a radius around my feet sob

[steep atlas]

now it's half height location start -> half height location end, 1 block radius

[ashen grail]

now all we need is some corner gliding on bodkin

so it stops getting caught on a single pixel and can go up half slabs

[steep atlas]

it already has some amount of vertical wiggle

[weary vapor]

shiv deadlock cosplay

orion ataraxian basidome coup

[rough swift]

The server aint even up yet cuh

[ashen grail]

deadlock mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-rem-helper-cute-silly-gif-7109206943563054663

[uncut wyvern]

and I probably ain't even gonna be up when it is

so I'm makin' the thread ahead of time for people to CONGLOMERATION!!!!! their thoughts while I honk shoo mimimimi

[steep atlas]

doesnt really hurt to have it in advance

note the lack of FROZENEARTH YOU KILLED MY PARENTS WITH THIS PATCH UWEHHH

its fine

[lunar gyro]

BECAUSE FROZENEARTH KILLED MY GRANDMA OKAY?

[steep atlas]

shouldve built more ehp

[rough swift]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDKNUCFXkAEJf-f.gif

I'm crine bruh I don't even do balance things except for when I do but this time I didn't :3

[uncut wyvern]

it's fine, we already got all that out of our systems last year

[weary vapor]

another month another balance patch without halving tide charm effectiveness

[uncut wyvern]

...probably

[marsh timber]

Judgement is coming

[grizzled anvil]

Aurora being a player model means we can put FrozenEarth into a spawner

[uncut wyvern]

except for Hexfall but my disdain for Hexfall is as immortal as the Stoneborn themselves and no number of feedback threads or crashouts will reconcile that

it is also not the subject of this balance patch so I shall keep it relatively silent another month

[hollow prism]

🤓 Erm ackshually Aurora is a stray so you're putting a literal FROZEN earth in the spawner

[sour gyro]

frozen earth what if we made coalrupted 2 instead of balance

[rough swift]

Fun fact: I already did this

[grizzled anvil]

You're going in next

[rough swift]

Coalrupted 2 :3

[sour gyro]

:3

[uncut wyvern]

EX Coalrupted Sierhaven real

[lunar gyro]

Does this mean r2 content is real

[ashen grail]

can it be R3 this time 🥺

[lunar gyro]

🚶‍♂️‍➡️ 🚶‍♂️‍➡️ 🚶‍♂️‍➡️

[uncut wyvern]

no

Isles content is

somehow even less real than Valley content

[hollow prism]

Actually I don't think we have horse spawners yet

[ashen grail]

isles is the forgotten middle child

[storm atlas]

Reminder to try out the charms in game before making feedback

[rough swift]

I kinda Don't want to deal with R3 player power personally so r2 could be nice :3

[midnight jacinth]

chance cubes juan

[steep atlas]

we need r2 content cocopluh

we are overfeeding r3

[ashen grail]

an excuse to make the most hectic bullet hell of all time :)

[uncut wyvern]

truthest nuke

the Ring has had it too good for too long

we need more Valley and Isles content

[ashen grail]

we just got valley content

[grizzled anvil]

No

[ashen grail]

isles is like the worse version of ring anyways

like r3 but without all the customization of charms and spec skills

at least r1 is unique in the vanilla+ gameplay loop

[merry sparrow]

Can we get one more warrior main class ability buffs then we MURDER brute force charms 🥺🥺

[uncut wyvern]

my biggest dog in the Brute Force fight is that the actual strongest charms for the ability went unchanged

[marsh timber]

The monkeys paw curls and toughness gets 5% more aliment res

[uncut wyvern]

so the extreme it reaches isn't actually changed very much at all

[ashen grail]

watch them remove all the brute force charms like DJ and WM

[ashen grail]

???

pressure gauntlet can't be used with deepslate anymore

[tranquil gorge]

i came here to just say
that fuckass scout double jump nerf.

yeah that's it

[uncut wyvern]

you know what can be used with Deepslate now?
more Brute Force damage charms, because you just freed up 3 charm power in those builds

[ashen grail]

which got nerfed...

equiping focused + greater + lesser rn = old focused

20+10+5 = 35

[uncut wyvern]

the Pressure Gauntlet nerf also makes it impossible to use it with Earthquake Staff which kinda

badly fucks up my own build

[ashen grail]

maybe its a sign to play rogue!

[rapid ember]

counter strike + 2 kbr

[steep atlas]

why does brute force have so many charms anyway

[marsh timber]

because half of warriors skills cant be ethically charmed

[steep atlas]

it feels like at the very least it should be on the chopping block for lessers because we killed dj and sharp lessers for the same reason

[uncut wyvern]

then give me a reason to play Rogue

[ashen grail]

warrior is 90% passives so they had to pick a skill to give charms to

[uncut wyvern]

[ashen grail]

SSage is real!

[storm atlas]

its kind of the truth i think

[rapid ember]

and i need to redesign ranger charm again

[midnight jacinth]

ya'll invented charm pink/purple stats start applying those to stuff like weapon mastery

[storm atlas]

warrior has frenzy, wm, toughness, brute force, and counter strike

[weary river]

👍

[uncut wyvern]

Weapon Mastery is basically the class passive and is also impossible to meaningfully charm in a way that doesn't ex

exca

exaber

excabr

[ashen grail]

ssage is looking really good rn

[steep atlas]

exacerbate

[rain tree]

Warrier rework?

[uncut wyvern]

yes. that word. thank you

[ashen grail]

warrior is fine

[uncut wyvern]

ex ac er bate. exacerbate. the original Weapon Mastery problem of Being Mandatory To Sink 2 Points Into

[midnight jacinth]

like if weapon mastery is that mandatory might as well give it a pink charm that grants trident compatibility

[steep atlas]

i mean we can do many things with them but whether those things make sense is a separate question entirely

[ashen grail]

not saying that it isn't in need of any reworks, but that other classes should probably be reworked first

[steep atlas]

we were already suffering trying to come up with some of the ones from this set i think

[uncut wyvern]

give it shield compatibility so I can actually run Sledshield >:(

[storm atlas]

sledshield is made with that problem in mind

[marsh timber]

cries in shaman

[mystic lily]

something something loci's hunger

[steep atlas]

the previous warrior artifact charm before i took over was some shit like 15% Frenzy Anemia

like what are we doing

there was no pink stat it was just one purple stat and some blue stats

[merry sparrow]

It’s warranted honestly but idk if the fix is satisfying

[uncut wyvern]

I'd cook up charm ideas but I don't think TM actually

remembers any of the last menagerie of charms I cooked up

[ashen grail]

why is it warranted again

[storm atlas]

i do not

[uncut wyvern]

...I also. don't think many of those were. very. good

[ashen grail]

aside from r3

[steep atlas]

i remember the existence of the doc

[midnight jacinth]

-# or if they'd even care at this rate

[merry sparrow]

It is literally explained

[steep atlas]

i remember thinking some of them were neat but the only one that's stuck in my mind was the gpt pots one

[merry sparrow]

Dev note or whatever

Not just r3 but also r1

[midnight jacinth]

remember maestro bauble. remember how they took that away from me so i was locked into brute force and we all know where that went

[uncut wyvern]

I think it's silly that an artifact apple and a chorus fruit have charms --- the former has multiple charms, even --- but the Ring's local epic consus have no charm

[ashen grail]

swiftness double jump is really mid without charms

or the U

[storm atlas]

to go into more detail i felt like swiftness gave scout in all regions too much baseline mobility to the point where tactical maneuver became an afterthought

which is Not Good

[ashen grail]

tact is better in combat, swiftness is better outside of combat

[uncut wyvern]

I need to make more funny charm ideas

[steep atlas]

i think an epic charm i would like to have would be a set of three epic charms a la Frost Giant weapons that you can trade freely between, where each one gives buffs to one gpt pot and nerfs to the other two, and all stats are locked

[uncut wyvern]

even if none of them ever get noticed by TM it'd be really fun to cook up more of them

[ashen grail]

and if you needed burst movement you could use both in succession

[steep atlas]

an incentive to not run seven billion consumables on hotbar by buffing one and nerfing the other two

[uncut wyvern]

hello? based department??? yes, I've found them, right here

[grizzled anvil]

my greedy ass who slots in all 3:

[rough swift]

It's plue

[steep atlas]

and all stats are locked

[cloud kraken]

how are you using swiftness, im jumping everywhere repositioning and loading bow/eating midair mid combat thanks to it, the nerf is valid because i was using tactical in place just for the gale charges

[ashen grail]

i'd assume thats what the locked stats are for

[steep atlas]

something something reading comprehension

[grizzled anvil]

the joke is that I will simply not run it

[tranquil gorge]

Definitely won't be for me
I found Double Jump fun to use, especially while using the only charm in Ring that reduced in cooldown (3s to 2.1s which is basically 2)
I could definitely feel the difference between the 3s in valley/isles and 2s in ring, so I'm definitely gonna feel the 4s and 2.8s (which is basically 3s) and it's gonna suuuuuuck

[loud shard]

swiftness being 3s same as old qd made traversing stuff out of combat a lot nicer but now i have to sit my ass 1 second longer just because i need to clear a small gap several times

[ashen grail]

i run the U, so i just cast tact into double jump mid tact to have an invuln tact for melee mobs

[grizzled anvil]

also idk how balanceable that concept is because of the potential bs that a buffed Mountain's Dew could provide

[ashen grail]

makes it alot harder to get your momentum interrupted

[merry sparrow]

How many people run two of them anyway? I think most just run one

[marsh timber]

yeah buffed Mdew might be the end of everything...

[cloud kraken]

i run U on r3 and its great but its not that difficult to have the same effect on r2, just different direction

[plain finch]

they don't need them tbh

[merry sparrow]

I’m ngl I have never used swiftness double jump

[ashen grail]

you're missing out

[merry sparrow]

I always go for dash

[storm atlas]

There are two sides of the spectrum here

[steep atlas]

sliver dew godbrew is common i think

[merry sparrow]

riposte buff when

[steep atlas]

really i'd like to cap people at 2 epic consumables total, encompassing all of sliver gpt kapple fotc bsb fol and so on

but idk if thats ever happening

[merry sparrow]

waiting for base warrior to get candy

[uncut wyvern]

Riposte buff never

[marsh timber]

Is that even possible to detect?

[ashen grail]

epic consumable kapple leak

[merry sparrow]

I’m ngl maybe the sword and and bonus should be combined?

it feels kinda dumb

[cloud kraken]

any warrior passive buffs when

[uncut wyvern]

because that would require TM to acknowledge that Warrior has a kit comprised almost entirely of passives

[steep atlas]

minor spelling mistake i meant infinite consu

[steep atlas]

i mean yeah you just prevent people from putting them on hotbar

or using any if theres more than two on hotbar or smth

[grizzled anvil]

the closest we can get is either making them infight (Kapple struggles to provide value if used with Forgeflame for instance) or potential charms

[marsh timber]

hotswaping

[merry sparrow]

That would require custom hotbar !!

[steep atlas]

idk

wdym custom hotbar

all hotbars are custom you choose the items you put in there

[tranquil gorge]

Also personally for the brief time I tried Tactical Maneuver... I never actually used it, because like
Issue 1) While 2 charges is nice and sure cooldown refund is fun, 11s feels a bit too long
And Issue 2) F.
Fucking.
F.

[merry sparrow]

No I meant you’d need to code something to vanilla hotbar

[ashen grail]

just cancel the event if you try to put a third infinite consume on hotbar

[steep atlas]

you can rebind it

[devout vessel]

me hotswapping fol, kapple, forgeflame, godbrew, and mdew

[steep atlas]

also F is like the least offensive keybind i think

i hate drop keybinds tbh

[ashen grail]

i have all my scout movement skills bound to f or f+swap

so i can fly by using mobility while reloading ire

[storm atlas]

i think there is ground for changing base warrior to be more thought provoking while keeping it simple but its not big on my radar right now

[ashen grail]

:)

[rough swift]

I mean there's kinda multiple levels of shenanigans to tracking "player can only have 2 infinite consumables" i.e.

1. Just count number of infinite consumables in hotbar, but people can just keep them in inventory and swap them out
2. Count number of infinite consumables in inventory, but now people can keep them in shulkers and swap them out
3. ...

[storm atlas]

there are more elephants

[steep atlas]

i think now that eagle eye and old fox are both gone i dont have anything on Q on scout and its real nice

[rough swift]

🐘

[ashen grail]

wait but what about trap

[steep atlas]

oh right yeah i guess i have that there

[marsh timber]

The safari has begun

[steep atlas]

i dont really think about it that much its just my free gale button

[ashen grail]

gg T-T

[rough swift]

Save the elephants

[grizzled anvil]

you can maybe make some kind of gluttony curse enveloping all of them, if mroe than 2 unique consu buffs are applied within like 1 minute then you get called fat and teleported to a gym

[ashen grail]

new curse idea

for another infinite consume

like oversized but for food

[cloud kraken]

no more healing sickness...

[ashen grail]

maybe sat stack will get nerfed and we can get a overall ehp buff

[uncut wyvern]

come play Warrior! we have

• placebo class passive
• passive that is literally mandatory to put 2 points into because it is All of your damage and might as well be the real class passive
• passive that gives health and also some ailment protection I think
• AoE skill that suffers a paradoxical identity crisis as a DPS skill in the Ring
• AoE aggro tool that also deals good damage in one region
• passive that barely does anything on an axe, and on a sword you get better results out of Just Playing Rogue
• passive that is basically just Thorns with extra steps
• passive that gives more speeds on kill
• whatever the hell D'Line is meant to be summarized as

[cloud kraken]

dont diss my beautiful frenzy, it lets me play slower weapons and big damage on enhancement

[uncut wyvern]

Frenzy is fine

I don't run it but it's fine, it's one of the more interestin' passives the class gets

my point is moreso on the fact that over half of Warrior's base kit is comprised of assorted passives

[storm atlas]

i might be Killed for saying this but what if we buffed brute force and removed weapon mastery

aaaand my corpse is floating in the river

[uncut wyvern]

that just brings us back to the Brute Force paradox again

[lunar gyro]

You think you can take away my precious sword dr?

[weary vapor]

dline is Resistance bottom text

[lunar gyro]

You will pay for your hubris

[cloud kraken]

remove warrior passive already and add weapon mastery, brute force or toughness to it already

[storm atlas]

i also dont want to overcomplicate warrior with a scout level rework, i just dont think it needs it

[uncut wyvern]

"please stop building your AoE skill for DPS"
then give me an actual DPS skill

[weary vapor]

that's weapon mastery! please ignore the fact that it has 0 charms

and is flat damage in r3

[uncut wyvern]

Weapon Mastery isn't a skill, it's the honorary class passive

except it's worse than bein' a class passive because you lose a fifth of your skill point budget just to have it

[lunar gyro]

Unfortunately the current warrior passive is actually really good and you would have to move mountains to change it

It's odd really, the passive is actually more useful end game than early game

[cloud kraken]

then lets keep it and add more to it

[merry sparrow]

okay yeah I used to hate on it but it makes building kbr so much easier

[merry sparrow]

Enhancement is peak tbh

[uncut wyvern]

I think it's funny that the 20% KBR scales in usefulness directly proportional to how far along the region's progression you are

it's genuinely nigh-useless in earlygame because you have nothing good enough to compound with it to make the KBR meaningful
but at respective endgames you have oodles, canoedles, and Toaster Strudels of KBR items to couple up with Warrior's innate 20% KBR

[cloud kraken]

i forgot about the passive i can remove an armor piece that has 20% kbr now

[uncut wyvern]

and eventually you get Truest North, which is an item you basically always want in your hotbar

and actually just makes you immovable in combination with said 20% KBR while held because it gives the other 80%

[weary vapor]

okay so here's the thing just add it as a passive to toughness

[uncut wyvern]

and you only get it after the broadest completion check in the game

[weary vapor]

because nothing in early game gives enough kbr for it to matter, yeah

[cloud kraken]

genius

[uncut wyvern]

...y'know, now I wonder why Toughness doesn't lean more into the KBR aspect

if the class passive is gonna be 20% KBR
why is it (seemingly) the only source of KBR innate to the class

[steep atlas]

now that i look at it having this many red stats looks kind of ass lol

[merry sparrow]

do not cook

[uncut wyvern]

do not cook

[midnight jacinth]

what the fuck is mountain's mist

[weary vapor]

it only needs +50% cooldown icl

when that cold brew hits

[steep atlas]

a charm name i just made up

[merry sparrow]

Aurora hidden epic!!

How many stars would that be

[uncut wyvern]

...also, -20% Temporal Bender Cooldown alone would probably be shot dead week 1
but that's another issue entirely and moreso indicative of how strong Mountain's Dew already is (how the fuck do you meaningfully charm it)

[merry sparrow]

Also the locks for extra fun lmao

[steep atlas]

i thought it was obvious from the message and the thing i was replying to that this was somethingi just made up lol

[merry sparrow]

Delete this before they nerf it.

mscr is watching.

[uncut wyvern]

no

[weary vapor]

Doesn't -20% resistance remove the point of the effect

[uncut wyvern]

good

let them watch

[sour gyro]

i think the scary part isnt r3 food in r3 but r3 food in r1

fruit of life isnt too offensive but gpt pots in r1 are silly it feels like

[grizzled anvil]

Echo hitbox is fine now

[uncut wyvern]

I think FoL is relatively inoffensive, Valley damage hardly scales enough for it to have a huge impact and you have to put up with multiple Forum delves to get it

[lunar gyro]

Fruit of Life is wholesome chungus back when it was the only infinite consumable that can be used for saturation stacking

[uncut wyvern]

meanwhile, the GPT potions:

[merry sparrow]

Now you have FOUR

Is licorice real btw

[lunar gyro]

No

[merry sparrow]

aw man

[lunar gyro]

Actually I wouldn't know

[merry sparrow]

Is that even the name of it

[lunar gyro]

Maybe theres a super secret dry licorice society

[weary vapor]

the world if casino pots just gave effects instead of hunger and sat

[lunar gyro]

I'm not part of it that's for sure

[uncut wyvern]

why do they give hunger and sat to begin with

[merry sparrow]

anyway the changelogs look really peak

[uncut wyvern]

genuinely

[merry sparrow]

I like the approach they went with sealed instead of just making it 3 stars

[sour gyro]

forum delves are so endearing i think

[merry sparrow]

and swordsage cookies are cookies for all

[sour gyro]

it adds to the perceived worth of fol

[lunar gyro]

Yeah you WERKED for the fol by doing forum (Super hell)

The gpt pots you just gambles and umm 🛌

[uncut wyvern]

I think it's silly that Kapple and FoL get some charms and are still relatively balanced since the power spike is constrained to the Ring, where it can be factored in
meanwhile the GPT pots just introduce

a completely foreign layer of tomfuckery to the earlier regions

and because we don't region-lock or otherwise region-scale consumables, it's not super possible to just ignore them and pretend they don't exist

[merry sparrow]

Region scaling consumeables 2026

[sour gyro]

monumenta consumables deserve some love i thinks

[uncut wyvern]

one could argue the same thing for Fruits of the Catch but I'm pretty sure you can get cooked salmon relatively easily in the Valley

...or was that a different fish

I don't actually know

I know there's a cooked cod consumable but I could've sworn cooked salmon also exists

[lunar gyro]

You could probably argue for it yeah, it is an infinite consumable food which so far is only everlasting carrot and sliver

[uncut wyvern]

at the same time though

Sliver exists

[merry sparrow]

I love sliver!!!

[uncut wyvern]

the pie also exists

[lunar gyro]

Oh and I guess the pumpkin pie but that doesn't give saturation

[merry sparrow]

with geek hopeskin

[uncut wyvern]

does it not

[merry sparrow]

It does but small amount

[lunar gyro]

It does actually, just miniscule

[merry sparrow]

cooked pork is better

[lunar gyro]

Point being that it creates a bridge between the noob consumables and the super sliver

But again you can just Buy Porkchops or whatever

[merry sparrow]

can we get a buff to the cooked pork’s melee stats

[lunar gyro]

So the arguement doesn't really hold

Why da monumenta player so fat...

[uncut wyvern]

because I eated 17 tons of cooked salmon

anyway the point I was makin' is that the only consuambles that really get insane in earlier regions are the GPT pots and maybe Fruit of Life in specific Valley edge cases

Fruits of the Catch is insane as essentially a budget Sliver, but it also doesn't do very much outside of Being Infinite Cooked Salmon™

[lunar gyro]

If you really wanted to, you could utilize salmon as kapple adjacent where you eat it midfight for healing & dr

[uncut wyvern]

and, and I checked this

you can buy cooked salmon from the SIerhaven Circle fishermen for like

3 bottles a pop

...that's not a joke

[lunar gyro]

10% proj & melee prot isn't too bad all things considered, especially in r1/r2

[uncut wyvern]

the extra effect is nice, yeah

though I'd argue that's usually not what you're usin' Fruits of the Catch for

but, then again, the entire reason I wanted Fruits of the Catch is because cooked salmon as a food item is insane to begin with

so take my word with salt... ...ed salmon

[merry sparrow]

I think we will be killed if we don’t talk about the changelogs chat

[vivid quiver]

nerf bd charms besides handle

[storm atlas]

i kind of missed them so like have fun for a month

[vivid quiver]

ts not fun u just stack bd and it does like 120 dmg on a 6s cd

sob

[storm atlas]

[forest orchid]

idk what feedback to make
thanks for keeping hunter alive ig

pstrike need something special to not be a weaker lockdown

[weary vapor]

should spec more into aoe/crowd control ngl

lockdown is already The Cooler Sniper Rifle

[forest orchid]

ye

and oov has too low dmg alone to be a viable pick(+locked dmg)

[tall sandal]

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[hollow prism]

Lockdown is fun but it has the downside of forcing me to put my player particles to 0 so I can actually aim at the thing I want
It definitely has surpassed pstrike in everything but maybe explosive aoe I guess?

[cloud kraken]

i find the basic cosmetic for lockdown much better for aiming, challenge one just blocks everything

[forest orchid]

idk if im using challenge ones but the particles feels fine after some time

[cloud kraken]

if yellow then its challenge

basic its red and uses a thiner line for the shot

[merry sparrow]

Red is so much cooler anyway

Not that I saw cosmetic

[forest orchid]

o i used challenge it seems

it gets less annoying if you move forward while shooting

[hidden spear]

I’m kinda bummed swiftness got cut a bit, if it’s possible to get that cooldown back with the enhancement so it’s balenced the same in r1 I’d enjoy that or maybe have some other movement options on other classes to make it more fair cause it’s very fun

[vast birch]

Just play ranger

Next month gale shot gonna be 80% at this rate surely

[weary vapor]

isn't it literally just 1s

[merry sparrow]

That’s still an amount tho

[weary vapor]

yeah but it's not a crippling debuff

[hidden spear]

It’s 33% worse but it’s not the end of the world

[woeful finch]

alcyoneus buff

balls.

[forest orchid]

um i hope this can get hotfixed

[loud shard]

Arcanist take over phase 3 is on course, we got some good charms buffs, specially nullwick lantern

[woeful finch]

aint no arcanist takeover happening with nullwick 🥀

[forest orchid]

man there was a unannounced tormented hunter change

it has twisted lockdown rn

😭

and gravecaller has 2 spirit rn

and the astral attack lasts

pretty sure they were not like this yesterday...

nvm thats announced

...

[loud shard]

That's just step 3 of 144, we will get there eventually

[cinder grail]

Mycotoxicosis change was a fumble.

If anything make it Curse of Shrapnel 2, and put that filthy ailment fragility away.
The enchant doesn't work for a sword that actively puts poison on you with uncontrolled matter, compared to the bow that has it, where if you see Poison Named mob or Wither Skelly you KNOW you'll get ailments, here you roll a dice on hit

Previous iteration was better;
Player had to keep track of debuffs, their Crain CD and HP the lower it got to not overshoot, casting abilities also needed to be more inteligent since spam clicks also proc Shrapnel.

Instead all of that now we lose 2cp to Intruder's Crain charm and play like normal with very strong sword that requires no thoughts, only ocasional Crain which you'd already do as cleric anyway
Shrapnel was the only thing that kept this sword in place

[storm atlas]

the antiheal and vuln debuffs dont.. magically disappear

its easier on cleric but the shrapnel was making it unusable on everything BUT cleric

[midnight jacinth]

so you chose to kill it for everyone but cleric

[cinder grail]

Did you missed the absurdly good rogue build that abused it?

[storm atlas]

are we talking about the same sword

[cinder grail]

Erasing Me, Erasing You
Was a joke for a reason after it's release, Muga rogue was actual strat with BMB (u)

And again, if you roll a debuff now you just explode as non cleric
You made this sword more cleric centered by accident or on purpose, unsure which one

[weary vapor]

you can't really build away ailment fragility as well as you can shrapnel

[weary vapor]

do not make it shrapnel 2 but I agree with this sentiment

[midnight jacinth]

iunno i'd rather have shrapnel 2 than ailment fragility

[rapid ember]

shrapnel C to make it real

[storm atlas]

i am using the weapon on a rogue build that isnt built for it and i really can't feel this downside as much as shrapnel

[livid cipher]

r3 cursed berserker
erm i was running 70pt pois in this
toughness also gives 40% ailment resistance which is good synergy

also loci hunger change is bad

i used it primarily for sustain (-35% cd) but now it makes the healing worse

rampage damage is just not it

if rampage reactivated the explosion on duration extension then it might actually be cool

[weary vapor]

Go all the way -100% rampage duration -50% CD

rampage is now a bomb

[livid cipher]

now that would work

3s cd bomb for 4 bloodlust

[livid cipher]

shrapnel is just 1 lifedrain to cancel out

[crimson tusk]

Parrymaxxing might be good now 🤩

[livid cipher]

while ailment fragility is
toughness 2 still wins though

[woeful finch]

Poor tclerics will lose more durability now

Anvils don't grow on trees yk

Horrible change, truly

[crimson tusk]

🫶

[tall sandal]

@ms pls nerf

[crimson tusk]

I think its not as insane as it looks

if your shield breaks its over

[forest orchid]

if it breaks just switch to another shield? smh my head

[crimson tusk]

True!!! why didn't I think of that

[forest orchid]

this isn’t intended right? I still wanna use the +kb basic charms

[crimson tusk]

I'm pretty sure thats not a bug

flat and % damage should conflict

[forest orchid]

idk its the first locked raw dmg that has a dmg%

ill leave it there to see if it get closed by intended

[merry sparrow]

How many pts

[crimson tusk]

18 I think

[merry sparrow]

Which charms may I ask

[forest orchid]

that damage is without challenge buff even

[rain tree]

Bash!

[forest orchid]

you prob already oneshot them with challenge

👀

[crimson tusk]

without

[forest orchid]

yeah i said without

[livid cipher]

from my testing i can conclude that pressure gauntlet is far worse than chunk for dps

even when using chunk without greater and lesser force charm

to slot an earthquake staff to have same radius as gauntlet

[rough swift]

Honestly probably take damage numbers with a grain of salt given all the damage pipeline snafus for now

[livid cipher]

with this the dmg difference on my intruder build is like 5 (all 3 waves summed up) but i guess gauntlet does provide more knockback and wave speed if people want that

[uncut wyvern]

the problem is that it feels like you usually don't

Warrior is all about gettin' up close and personal, and it's a bit hard to stay in up-close-and-personal range if the charm you use makes your Brute Force proc send the enemy flyin' away from you --- that same principle is part of why Earthquake Staff is such a nice charm to use (on top of makin' your AoE tool actually do more AoE)

because new Pressure Gauntlet not only retains the significant wave delay decrease, meanin' that the impendin' knockbacks will be dealt in rapid succession rather than on delays
but also adds more knockback to an effect that already deals quite a bit of it

and that's mainly an issue in my eyes because you can no longer use it with the only tool that exists for counteractin' that often-a-downside of heavier knockback

I do wonder if movin' the Brute Force Radius lock from Pressure Gauntlet to Deepslate Chunk would wager out to better results overall

would probably need Pressure Gauntlet to regain at least one charm power to be balanced
but it'd prevent the biggest offender on the front of "please stop actively building the AoE skill for DPS" from bein' used with two of the skill's best charms
and it would allow Pressure Gauntlet access to couplin' with Earthquake Staff again (and maybe even Bronze Spikes) for those of us that actually want to build the AoE skill for AoE

-# because, perhaps a bit of a hot take here, but I think that should be a valid option with real support

[patent relic]

Chunk with earthquake staff is kinda nice tho imo

[uncut wyvern]

yeah because you get to negate the sole downside of Deepslate Chunk at relatively low cost

I don't think you should be able to do that

[patent relic]

I just feel like locking rad on chunk just makes chunk only used for dps builds anyways

And you cannot use it at all outside of that p much

Which is like fine if you think that’s okay but I feel like you’re just reducing charm flexibility for no reason

But I do agree pressure feels kinda awful

[uncut wyvern]

new Pressure Gauntlet reduces charm flexibility for even less reason

[patent relic]

I agree

[uncut wyvern]

and, if I may be blunt for a moment

I am really fuckin' sick of my options for bein' functional outside of a pure DPS build gettin' strangled time and again
for the sins of a charm I don't even use and have repeatedly voiced my disdain for
while the charm itself goes completely untouched

[patent relic]

Chunk at +100% bf dmg was peak

[uncut wyvern]

I think it's really silly that we're doin' this

with the intention to tone down the extremes in DPS difference that Brute Force can reach, right

but then not acknowledgin' this

under the new changes, you now effectively get like 12 charm power of Brute Force damage in a single charm
for a downside that not only doesn't matter for what Deepslate Chunk is used for
but can also be negated near-entirely in 3 more charm power if you feel so moved

by the Architect - by Her Majesty - by the Galatean gods
what are we doing?

[weary vapor]

i think they genuinely just forgot about bronze spikes because no one uses the starter charms except for when they're meta

[uncut wyvern]

the best reason I can see for this would be an intention to make Pressure Gauntlet into the new Deepslate Chunk so that Deepslate Chunk can be reworked without as much worry, but the problem with that is that Deepslate Chunk is currently impossible to disentangle from DPS builds because of how easy it is to use vs. how much it provides

[weary vapor]

ngl brute force radius should just be locked on chunk

no point in a 1* charm with a drastic upside and a drastic downside if you can just ignore the drastic downside with a charm that also does not have a particularly big downside

[uncut wyvern]

1 cost for a full charm loadout's worth of Brute Force damage at the measly cost of an unlocked downside that conveniently has a charm to solve that downside at the "cost" of a different downside that, in most cases, is actually an upside due to how knockback interacts with Warrior's overall gameplay loop...

...is. ridiculous at best

[rough swift]

Deepslate chunk is problematic media…

[dark harbor]

Deepslate chunk does feel like a prime example for use of locked

[meager grail]

nooo my 75% dmg buff 1* dps charm

[forest orchid]

noo chunk

i can foreseen the buff back of 100% bf dmg but lock radius

[weary vapor]

one thing I will say is that there needs to be a drastic reduction of shield bash damage% across the board now that it has a competent base damage; so many of the charms have absurd +% damage because it just wasn't functional as a damage skill before this update

they were nerfed but not hard enough, its more like a light slap

[merry sparrow]

Region scale brute force and kill it

Locking the radius would just feel bad

even if damage got buffed and radius buffed

[livid cipher]

bf already scales though, its 10% at lv 2. lv1 is funny with the 2 base dmg though

[unborn rampart]

I feel like brute force changes were somewhat foreseeable after the initial "bug fix" that turned brute force in to multiplicative damage + base dmg ( not long after all damage buffs became additive )

And as long as it stayed this way and the devs thought its DPS is an issue. The outcome of nerfing it would result in brute force being a worse clearing tool relative to what it would have been, had it not been for the change to multiplicative + base

[keen mica]

I forgot this thread existed but since i dont think its been mentioned

I am
Unhappy
With the ganzir changes

Idk how well it performs now
But im gonna be upfront, i was a heater shield player

And im not mad it got hit

Im just mad that they chose to go for ganzir which was fine on its own
ACKNOWLEDGING
The fact that it was strong with everlasting

And didnt bother changing everlasting instead

So its a dead charm

It is a completely useless charm now

Ganzir was a strong pairing with it
It was also the only pairing with it

[weary vapor]

in the first place it feels like it was just there for ganzir

[keen mica]

Like

Just changing everlasting was such an easy thing to do

Make it a useful charm and detach it from ganzir to hamper heater shield

But they attack ganzir???

Im more confused than anything

Like did the person who made that change think everlasting was used for
Anything else??

It went from having 1 conditionally useful stat

To 0 useful stats

[weary vapor]

I think ganzir was the main offender there ngl
Everlasting is inoffensive but useless without ganzir but ganzir without everlasting is just bad

as it is now it is not a Bad charm but it is one that people will probably never use

[forest orchid]

dont change my everlasting im having fun with full tank shield wall ty

[glacial lily]

delete both

[topaz hearth]

are you using dahlia's build i sent or a diff one

[ashen grail]

i made my own >:)

[topaz hearth]

lemme see

:3

[ashen grail]

https://ohthemisery.vercel.app/builder/m=Arc of the Lunacrest-4&o=Overgrown Bodkin-4&h=Silver Moon Crown-4&c=Darkstar Pauldron-4&l=Duskroot Legguards-4&b=EX Lunatic's Dance-4&charm=None

100 base tempthereal cloaked steadfast with 137% damage + FS 1 + Skyseeker 3 and bhop atk speed on arc of the lunacrest

all your survivability comes from 9s wwalk, waspect, and blade dance

[merry sparrow]

No?

I use it alongside vires

I do agree that they shouldn’t have killed ganzir but I don’t think they should’ve killed everlasting either that’d be stupid

[keen mica]

Oh didnt reply

Oh well

[merry sparrow]

what do you mean counterintuitive

You’re basically getting near 100% uptime it’s a good combo

[keen mica]

Nearly 100% uptime when you really wont need it

You’re just gonna be able to pop it every encounter anyway

So there’s no doubts that you have a better use of that 2 charm power

Like its
“On demand damage button”
vs
“On demand damage button except you use 2 more charm power”

[merry sparrow]

yeah you do what

my encounters aren’t lasting six seconds

[merry sparrow]

With better uptime what am I missing here

[keen mica]

Im gonna be so fr
My plans are to wipe most of my issues before they gain consciousness, much less
within 6 seconds 🤷‍♂️
Like anything past chall’s dura with vires is cleanup or a 1v1 where I can handle the wait

At the same time i guess i am forgetting that brute force charms got ’d

So maybe that 2 charm power really is less valuable

[merry sparrow]

well yeah it’s mostly for torms or really big encounters so that 3.5 seconds is not bad for two charm power

Not to mention you’re also using bodyguard so

And you’re right there’s not many other charms 🥀

My go to for guardian is usually vires everlasting bronze spikes chunk earthquake staff

[weary vapor]

Everlasting is just boring stats and that's fine ig

[cloud owl]

do you think it needs... more stats?

[storm atlas]

i mean the stats could theoretically go up but reducing downtime on those skills is pretty good on its own

[weary vapor]

the problem is that it's absorption so if you ever are in combat duration doesn't really matter if you lose the absorption

Shield wall needs actual region scaled damage to be a competent pick

[storm atlas]

i will say that there are bg and wall changes planned maybe a month or two coming'

[merry sparrow]

Shield wall is replaced with RECKLESS SWING

[crimson tusk]

[merry sparrow]

That’s not what boring stats means I think

It doesn’t change gameplay doesn’t change much just Good

[crimson tusk]

shield wall will be replaced with shield fortress

[cloud owl]

no i know it isn't

i mean, i know it's boring stats. is it too few boring stats to be viable?

[merry sparrow]

It’s very viable

well was

idk now with new ganzir

But I’ve always used it alongside vires

[cloud owl]

then it's probably fine

[weary vapor]

It's absorption duration on two skills and shield wall duration on a skill that does nothing

[loud shard]

Guardian is too multiplayer and map dependant compared to the versatility of bers

[merry sparrow]

What

we just saying stuff

“Map dependent” where in guardians kit do the surroundings change anything

If anything it’s bers with meteor slam and glorious

and it’s not too multiplayer at all you can play guardian solo just fine

[livid cipher]

guardian just needs minimum 3 block high room with no water or ghast type enemies while bers wants way higher ceilings usually