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#Aurora Bossfight
molten geyser
I once thought its a 100 hits challenge then i saw the focus has hp
(It’s Delfia’s Focus rn btw)
brittle sonnet
*me kept spam hitting the focus with an axe cuz i was playing guardian without a sword 💀 *
and never remember that its a hp bar instead of hit points-
raven heart
Do we known when the thing with needing to claim cache will be fixed
civic jungle
Are there any plans of implementing this suggestion? What is the devs' current stance on this?
earnest yew
i think it's a good idea
cosmic timber
On one hand it would allow people to quickly play rage+ features and have fun, on the other hand I dont want rage+ to turn into nothingburger again
leaderboard is still at 160 as well
earnest yew
o right
it's conceptually a good idea but i'd want to at least hold off and se show hii people can get
cosmic timber
I only know of 1 group who got to 180 and lost
molten geyser
that makes me wanna suffer and try rage+ solo
fresh mason
hvn and smoke not trying so ur softlocked at 200
molten geyser
cosmic timber
aurora accidentally got a lobotomy pick
ashen geode
hvn and smoke not trying so ur softlocked at 200
I think lucy quit aurora so no attempts for a while
fresh mason
I think lucy quit aurora so no attempts for a while
we quit the game bro ✌️
raven heart
aurora accidentally got a lobotomy pick
What does this mean
burnt flame
I only know of 1 group who got to 180 and lost
@raven heart aint we get to 200?
raven heart
What happened to aurora anyways
fresh mason
who knows bro
austere bane
leaderboard is still at 160 as well
because no one wants to suffer through permadeath 😭
burnt flame
because no one wants to suffer through permadeath 😭
permadeath with the cache mechanic ya
we did like 2 runs with the old leaderboard stuff
jovial owl
surely it fixed aurora right
austere bane
Well, before this update you had to finish 200 and quit
Now, aurora is closed
Supposedly people have reached 200 before, just not cashed out
lean crag
No one even reached 200?
no one plays the game anymore
fresh mason
No one even reached 200?
No one has bothered to
austere bane
no one has reached 200 rage? seems like this system is perfect, no need to increase the starting rage cap
molten geyser
I don’t know how will people get used to higher rage+ if they are forced to rs from start every time they fail
like the old boring rage+ might just work better here
austere bane
I don’t know how will people get used to higher rage+ if they are forced to rs f...
smile
you're not
have fun
the sug that caused the change was also intended with rage 100 as the "hardest boss" and now 120-200 has random bullshit go so it just means no one gets to go anywhere isn't this fun and great for the leaderboard
its super super frustrating
cosmic timber
I think the random bullshit go is tolerable
austere bane
im sure its tolerable until you have one slipup and have four bosses worth of progress reset and your only reward is a 100 cache
the concept of adding even more extreme buffs to the boss is super cool but I think most people will never see them unless they're extremely dedicated and find three others willing to suffer with them
austere bane
it was boring but then also the permadeath was added so now it's too far in the other direction
bullshit is fine
permadeath is ok
both at the same time are a big no
if you get killed unfairly then having permadeath is awful
cobalt anvil
rn I even have problem finding 100% ppl, don't think we'll have player interest doing even higher rage
lean crag
new atttacks with perma death is fine
since it is a mode literally just for leaderboards
the fact that no one plays it doesn't mean it's bad
cause the previous iteration was worse
it's just that people already lost almost all interest in aurora so nobody plays even normal rage levels
nothing to do with rage+ changes which i think were good
raven heart
Yeah it’s not bad
It’s also that like today is basically the first day that aurora is both open and cache isn’t stupid
Because claiming the cachce was so stupid
molten geyser
im ngl if you want players to experience new attacks+perma death the reward should be worth it
but my sug got rejected so whatever 👍 👍 👍 i don’t really care rn
lucky for those who got purist before update too
stardust ring is just a purist ender
cosmic timber
you know you can place blocks with firmament right
thats the intended way to get purist!
molten geyser
jaunty girder
lucky for those who got purist before update too
stardust ring is just a purist...
I got purist solo I think stardust shouldnt be a run ender?
I think~
minor sphinx
stardust ring can be annoying in last phase i guess
molten stream
you can just stall out the minibosses to fix the arena if u really have to
austere bane
since it is a mode literally just for leaderboards
that would be fine if it was actually rage+ but it is not it is rage 100+
she gets not just numbers buffs past 100 and it feels really bad if you ever want to see those
200+ can be current behavior just fine
molten geyser
I got purist solo I think stardust shouldnt be a run ender?
yeah I exaggerated a bit
I wasn't in a very good mood
But the ring is something that fully blocks arch without movement abilities from doing purist
mfw the area me and aurora stands isn’t even bigger than the ring past 50%
earnest yew
the ring only blockbreaks if you're in her ring, not if they overlap
IDK if that helps
austere bane
Doesn't it shrink in last phase too
molten geyser
unless you spend 3-5 mins to rebuild the area(why not just risk urself harder)
austere bane
surely the solution is to bring two ires so you can recoil over the void and back
molten geyser
IDK if that helps
maybe
ig you can start rebuild the outer ring when she’s like 35% hp left and you broke all towers so no more weird elites
cosmic timber
yknow i dont know why steelbore shows the circle to avoid overlapping other players instead of a circle to avoid overlapping other circles
earnest yew
stardust detonation is kinda locked as-is because we use the circle for block break though
molten geyser
i only wonder how big is stardust circles when multiple people
earnest yew
same size but aurora doesn't get one
molten geyser
o sounds fine ig
that’s actually pretty nice for a team with a tank
who usually has -ws
small bug but in one of my attempts i got sucked into black hole and die then the arena didn’t clear so i respawn and got sucked into it again
it does reset after tho
austere bane
yknow i dont know why steelbore shows the circle to avoid overlapping other play...
probably because it is inherently more understandable
"Don't let the circles touch" is eh
"Don't step in the red circle" is something shown via all bosses
molten geyser
kinda yeah
lean crag
that would be fine if it was actually rage+ but it is not it is rage 100+
she ge...
then rage+ becomes boring again
austere bane
mfw rage 200 is still permadeath
lean crag
how does that contradict what i said
something can be risky and boring
i dont think she does anything super outstanding that you'd die to see past 100 rage
it's literally just attacks copied from other bosses
if you wanna see steelbore that bad go do skt
austere bane
how does that contradict what i said
if you think the current system is good then how is it also boring
lean crag
the current system gives rage+ new attacks
if you move the start of rage+ to the point after all new attacks, rage+ no longer has new attacks
austere bane
is that a problem? I thought the point was to see how far you could go
since it's the leaderboard mode
burnt flame
what was up with cache
you had to cache in to get on lb
you werent playing to your full potential
austere bane
shouldn't matter if the new attacks are in rage+ or not
lean crag
an unlockable reward, be it cosmetic or practical, is a valid reason to keep anything required for it as balanced as possible
just seeing new attacks, however, isn't some "goal" a player can reasonably be expected to chase therefore devs aren't obligated to balance around that expectation
just because you want to go sightseeing doesn't mean every attack should be accessible to every player, they are not rewards
burnt flame
idk i really donnt have any gripes with the current system
lean crag
as a matter of fact, i'm willing to bet seeing all aurora attacks would be significantly easier to achieve than, say, cz since the bosses get new shit all the way till a15 and i'm damn sure a15 is harder than 200 rage
burnt flame
the theoretical limit of the boss is much higher than lbs right now of course
burnt flame
as a matter of fact, i'm willing to bet seeing all aurora attacks would be signi...
nah u can carry a15 you cant really carry 200
minor sphinx
stardust ring can be annoying in last phase i guess
i usually play wota hunter in teams so i have no issue
lean crag
if you have a team of 4 people all equally trying, a15 comp will take you infinitely more time than 200 rage
assuming you start from 0 with 0 knowledge of the content
austere bane
as a matter of fact, i'm willing to bet seeing all aurora attacks would be signi...
Okay but you don't have to play a9-a14 with the same party every time you want to play a15?
With no revives
and if you lose you get no rewards except those from a9
lean crag
unfortunate then idk what to tell you
i do think rage+ rewards are bad
but thats another thing
it doesnt mean the attacks that were created with the sole purpose of making rage+ more fun should be shifted to no longer be rage+
again, wanting to see the attacks is not a valid reason to ask for that change
you gain absolutely nothing out of it, neither cosmetic nor practical
you won't die if you don't see them
austere bane
at the time they were added it was still the old rage system so idk if that was the intent or not
I'm not asking them to be added to base 💀 if you don't want to do them you don't have to pick anything past rage 100
raven heart
as a matter of fact, i'm willing to bet seeing all aurora attacks would be signi...
That is no way true
A15 is way easier Icl
earnest yew
unfortunately it shows your circle to yourself as well so
isn't it possible to just not send those particles
raven heart
Atleast post permadeath
lean crag
A15 is way easier Icl
yea cause you have like 300 cz runs and maybe 10h on aurora ofc its easier
starting from 0 its definitely not easier
cosmic timber
isn't it possible to just not send those particles
it is
earnest yew
at the time they were added it was still the old rage system so idk if that was ...
it was not
raven heart
yea cause you have like 300 cz runs and maybe 10h on aurora ofc its easier
That is prob true
earnest yew
we originally wanted it to be a situation where pushing past 100 was nothing but lb
lean crag
at the time they were added it was still the old rage system so idk if that was ...
you're asking for base to be moved to 200
earnest yew
but, uh, 520 rage comp ;P
molten stream
the ring only blockbreaks if you're _in_ her ring, not if they overlap
i did not know this i thougjt it was like steelbore
lean crag
that's just the same effect with a bigger number
raven heart
Okay but you don't have to play a9-a14 with the same party every time you want t...
That’s the point of permadeath tho
And the scaling change is to take it so that you aren’t stuck for hours
I mean base could be moved to 200
But I don’t really think it matters
It’s kinda nice that rage+ get special stuff
austere bane
that's just the same effect with a bigger number
guess I am then
what does that change though bc it's still hard content
austere bane
i did not know this i thougjt it was like steelbore
That is steelbore, no?
raven heart
guess I am then
what does that change though bc it's still hard content
What does what change
austere bane
Max starting 200
jaunty girder
guess I am then
what does that change though bc it's still hard content
I mean its a lot easier with checkpoints. You will have people going for 200+ (the new rage+) and then we want new attacks for that
Getting the same process again
earnest yew
well. i'm kinda sitting on my hands waiting to see if people will get past 200
raven heart
Yeah
raven heart
well. i'm kinda sitting on my hands waiting to see if people will get past 200
We will be attempting tomorrow
jaunty girder
well. i'm kinda sitting on my hands waiting to see if people will get past 200
I ment if base would be set to 200
I think its fine how it is
raven heart
Shouldn’t be too bad
earnest yew
well. i'm kinda sitting on my hands waiting to see if people will get past 200
<before i make a decision on whether there's a point in shifting the rage checkpoint>
raven heart
With cache fix
jaunty girder
Cache fix did not make the process of getting to 200 easier
raven heart
<before i make a decision on whether there's a point in shifting the rage checkp...
It depends on what you want
jaunty girder
Cache fix did not make the process of getting to 200 easier
Afaik
raven heart
If you make starting 200 it makes it more easier to push farther and run higher dps builds
While starting at 100 would make people play safer because
More time you have to make mistakes
And this boss is basically impossible to not get any bs attacks in
The more bosses you fight the more you have to prepare for making more mistakes
And that’s not a bad thing
It’s just a choice
raven heart
Cache fix did not make the process of getting to 200 easier
Yeah?
Well
It makes the lb easier
You don’t have to worry about where u should cache out
Make it would be cool to have a team reincarnation post 200
Like just 1
austere bane
maybe you have 3 lives
raven heart
maybe you have 3 lives
?
austere bane
or lives in general
austere bane
While starting at 100 would make people play safer because
I don't think this is true
If anything it wouldn't matter because theoretically this is easier than 200
cosmic timber
i did not know this i thougjt it was like steelbore
that is exactly how steelbore works actually
the red ring is actually for players
austere bane
you wouldnt care much for the first few bosses if you actually were going for lb
lean crag
the steelbore ring spawning at the boss was a great addition
civic jungle
My gripe is that you can't realisticly learn the new boss attacks in rage+ without spending millions of har and hours and everyone who got 200+ already learned them on week 1.
How about make it so when you die in rage+ you can replay the fight as many times as you want (in that instance), but you cannot climb any further and the rewards are reduced to 100 rage or whatever way it is now.
civic jungle
"Just wiki it bro" isn't a good design
cosmic timber
Well she only gains 1 actual mechanic at 120, which is fairly easy to replay and should be pretty intuitive after the first few minutes imo.
For the other rages:
- rage 140 and 200 are just random buffs we concocted.
- rage 160 is just ||star shower (no block break)|| as a regular spell instead of just force cast, kind of nothing burger
- rage 180 is also no new mechanics she just ||double casts spells||
molten geyser
With cache fix
Can someone explain what’s the cache fix here or what was the cache issue
I’ve seen it mentioned like 5 times and still doesn’t know
Or maybe i know…?
molten geyser
oo
lean crag
that's it
molten geyser
I thought its the bug that you can redacted
austere bane
they were not worried about dupe bugs
molten geyser
🐀
molten stream
that is exactly how steelbore works actually
wtf ive been running so far away this whole time
raven heart
My gripe is that you can't realisticly learn the new boss attacks in rage+ witho...
?????
It takes about the grand total of 5 seconds
To learn the new attacks
And they were there week 1
cosmic timber
no rage 100+ attacks were week 2
civic jungle
Does it also take 5s to learn to not die to them? Like an attack can be simple to understand but hard to play around in practice and learning those things usually takes multiple tries
burnt flame
My gripe is that you can't realisticly learn the new boss attacks in rage+ witho...
im not tryna be that guy but you can figure them out pretty quickly if you look at telegraphs
we figured out the steelbore stuff on the like first cast
idk im all for allowing casuals to play but youre playing the gamemode thats specifically designed for peopple pushin leaderboards
any day now niamn
ashen geode
The main problem for me is that the difficulty increase on 200 and up is so high and it’s lowkey impossible to practice it now. If we had everything available to us in the beginning (were able to get in on 200) at least we could train to be able to push for leaderboard positions. The problem now, is practicing just the content to be able to push for high leaderboard is locked behind 25-30+ minutes of permadeath gameplay. I’m all for the difficulty, but not having the direct opportunity to train to be able to push leaderboard kills it for me.
burnt flame
The main problem for me is that the difficulty increase on 200 and up is so high...
some type of practice mode could work i guess
gritty ferry
ability to start at any rage youve reached with reward of r100 always and no leaderboard
potent sorrel
does it not count for leaderboard if you die
earnest yew
it does now iirc
ashen geode
ability to start at any rage youve reached with reward of r100 always and no lea...
I believe capping it at 200 is fine since then you can actually learn how to deal with the increased difficulty at a good pace. Starting at any level + non-permadeath allows for brute force tactics which is not based on skill and more based on luck
ashen geode
it does _now_ iirc
It does
earnest yew
given, of course, that the change was done correctly
but tbf most changes not made by me or my clone are done correctly
;P
ashen geode
I believe being able to start at 200 with permadeath included will fix most complaints and ensure the leaderboard can be pushed based on skill and give people a fair opportunity to do so. Though, maybe keys for rage + should be more expensive to compensate for the fact that it’s not the intended way to play 
burnt flame
does it not count for leaderboard if you die
it does now
burnt flame
I believe being able to start at 200 with permadeath included will fix most comp...
idk this is just pushing it back further i cant lie
ashen geode
The main problem for me is that the difficulty increase on 200 and up is so high...
A (kinda bad) comparison for this would be hexfall where each attempt was ~3-5 minutes and it still took us ~14 hours. And now we have 20-30 minutes for one attempt so lowkey anything past 200 is probably a 10+ hour investment to start and each decent attempt after is a few hour commitment. It’s just unappealing and unapproachable even to the tryhards
burnt flame
past 200 definitely doesnt take 10+ hours
ashen geode
Then you do it
burnt flame
yeah we doing it tomorrow
cosmic timber
but tbf most changes not made by me or my clone are done correctly
hmpf
ashen geode
idk this is just pushing it back further i cant lie
The point is attacks stop at 200, it’s not just “pushing it back” it’s making it more accessible at the difficulty that’s going to scale
burnt flame
i suppose
burnt flame
but tbf most changes not made by me or my clone are done correctly
oh yeah this might b glaze but still thanks for being so receptive towards feedback
ashen geode
past 200 definitely doesnt take 10+ hours
And I’m talking about first clear
burnt flame
And I’m talking about first clear
yeah we'll see how long it takes us
just my gut feeling its probably not that long
idk im not trying to one up you
your point still stands of course itll eventually devolve into that
but thats a flaw of endless content in general me thinks
finite marten
120-180 is pretty quick
but i think 200 diffspike might increase the number of ended runs so it takes longer to go past
cosmic timber
let 200 be thought of as a community mission
earnest yew
what a fascinating thought
cosmic timber
if someone reaches it by <t:1780113600:R> , Ill give the team 100har (first team to get 200)
molten geyser
burnt flame
earnest yew
if someone reaches it by <t:1780113600:R> , Ill give the team 100har (first team...
ah, it's round two of This
cosmic timber
heehee
earnest yew
are we paying dahwia again
cosmic timber
it depends if she gets 200 first
cosmic timber
post a screenshot in #screenshots or something
burnt flame
yeah
honestly nobody of the people attemping really need the money maybe theres some other cool stuff the winning team could get 😁
lime hedge
we are living in the slums with dat 100 🤑
molten geyser
oh
my
fking
g
my connection always lags when i was gonna make the most important double jump
i pressed my space 10000 times and it doesnt trigger
was gonna make a such destruction+purist run as well
raven heart
if someone reaches it by <t:1780113600:R> , Ill give the team 100har (first team...
The dev team really needs to get like extra money to host events
That would be fun
burnt flame
har gon be even more dead
id be happy with an announcement post idk thats probably not in jades or ash's control
molten geyser
well finally a r100 solo after patch ig
here we go r120
miniboss part is now a time consuming part really
it has like zero difficulty
Even the bers elite has more threats to me
Shit oneshot me if i let it get too close
well maybe not oneshot but something is definitely crazy when i pop my parting shot with full hp
lean crag
har gon be even more dead
not money they just spawn in duh
burnt flame
not money they just spawn in duh
still a transfer of money for more transactionally active individuals
finite marten
Even the bers elite has more threats to me
Shit oneshot me if i let it get too c...
once it scales the invis tp strike from melee boss can one tap
combo of blade 360 hit + archer normal shot may also cook you
burnt flame
once it scales the invis tp strike from melee boss can one tap
oh yeah i hate the invis tp strike
no telegraph no nothing 😭
is it even dodgeable
finite marten
telegraph is a short red particle line with pillager grunt and bow twang followed by crit particles
molten geyser
The dev team really needs to get like extra money to host events
the most kind way ive seen to say "poor"
potent sorrel
it does _now_ iirc
yea it does
molten geyser
?? is this a bug
what i did was only got hit 3 times in a row by the meteors then the chain broke
and chain was always green that time so theres no way i went too far
my ll was off cooldown before this chain break so its 0 chance other attacks that time(or starlight surge??? how did that shit proc my ll but also kills me and i alr ate last meteor before that)
is there some hidden mechanic of chain that you cant take too many meteors
or its because i didnt clear all 4 energy so the -resis wave breaks chain 
its so weird
ashen geode
my ll was off cooldown before this chain break so its 0 chance other attacks tha...
Probably energy, what was the death message
austere bane
Starlight surge is the star sprinkles yeah
So I think you just died, breaking the chain?
lean crag
is it possible to make it so that the constant star shower in rage+ switches to solo mode (where you're automatically soul linked to aurora) if there is only 1 player alive
cause right now if you have multiple people and one of them dies it basically insta fails the run
since you're physically unable to stop the star shower
like dawg
austere bane
clearly just get aurora to stand in the rings with you
lean crag
we tried that
it does not work
it'd be pretty fun if it worked like that but i bet that's more devtime than just making it swap to solo mode
balls
austere bane
molten geyser
So I think you just died, breaking the chain?
that depends on if starlight surge is true damage
idk what that skill looks like tho but i die to it sometimes(at least thats what death messages say)
molten geyser
that depends on if starlight surge is true damage
cause my ll indeed proceed
minor sphinx
i assume no then
molten geyser
balls
the moment when they want lockdown be a 1k shot 1k floating ability
at 1:00 a random arrow of the star summary message pop up
lean crag
How are they even alive <:suffer:654962104381472818>
that didn't last long
i mean he lived longer than he should have lol
fennec is like that
ashen geode
molten geyser
potent sorrel
200 rage shouldnt take long honestly probably
ashen geode
potent sorrel
i was like 1-2% off soloing 180 and i could have buffed more and tried more if i had time
I imagine 4 ppl would have easier time
burnt flame
ig
burnt flame
tjats funny
potent sorrel
elite phase is also much easier, you also have more platforms because you can do more star showers and all that
only thing i imagine could be harder is the steelbore
potent sorrel
would be nice if it scaled down with less players but i dont think soloing rage 160+ is intended
so i wouldnt push for that
civic jungle
it's funny how rage 60 solo was actually easier than rage 40 solo because u can get more platforms
austere bane
mayhaps mayhaps give loom charges for damage dealt :3
assassin perma stealthing and constantly repairing terrain
the builder
burnt flame
assassin perma stealthing and constantly repairing terrain
idk just make it like 5k damage or sum
maybe more actually
so you get 1-2 looms in the final phaser
austere bane
i think the point is rationing out blocks though (firmament not included)
finite marten
solo is harder than duo is easier than quad is my impression
solo connection seems more difficult for the 75% hp phase change
but it seems like the mob count gets harder in quad and coordinating towers too
and less chance to get quasar destroyed
maybe elites are easier at quad
lean crag
that sounds like a bug
it's just this
it's impossible to stop the shower if you had 2 people at the start and one of them died
since you have no one to link with
prolly works similarly with more people too
cosmic timber
weird since the code should cast the spell as if it was the first time if one player dies
pure flint
are we paying dahwia again
Hi cat 2 and cat 1
cosmic timber
hi cat 3
earnest yew
it's us
potent sorrel
but it seems like the mob count gets harder in quad and coordinating towers too
You have 4 times amount of people to kill mobs and it should be not hard to assign towers to pairs especially in vc
If quad feels harder than solo sorry but id probably reconsider my teammate choice for rage+
Boss is also faster and you arent dancing around 4 block space peripheral trying to kill before you just run out of space
Theres too much reasons why its easier to list here ngl
cosmic timber
mobs spawn rate scale with players, so if your 4 player team has no good mob clear you will suffer
potent sorrel
Thats on team tho
cosmic timber
yep
potent sorrel
I dont know the scaling but surely its not 4 times
potent sorrel
Yea thats definitely easier if your team is not throwing
molten geyser
bring a pala for taunt+buff+clear (i believe it can do all these at the same time)
molten geyser
i killed the delfia inside aurora as well
cosmic timber
gulp
molten geyser
https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/mLz72S48KK09vyXnB?invite=cr-MSwwYXIsNDU5MzgwNTQ2
first r120 solo
5 charges remain too
wait how did i managed to reduce 1min more from r100
silent totem
my chud team died and lost to dps check
nah all fasty
mortal shuttle
howd u die then sir
fluid vale
fasty griefed tb's internet
silent totem
howd u die then sir
i fell in a hidden hole
burnt flame
no mail..
burnt flame
220% was 5% hp
2%
molten geyser
0.2%
cosmic timber
congrats
fresh mason
can the har be mailed to me and i will evenly distribute it
Bro thinks mail works
fresh mason
my chud team died and lost to dps check
molten geyser
@tuulen make the area bigger
raven heart
Lowk 300rage might be possible
cosmic timber
Thatd be like
6.75x hp
3.875x damage
burnt flame
Thatd be like
6.75x hp
3.875x damage
we're already developin strats for the dps check at least
200 rage was very enjoyable tho gj
molten stream
molten stream
yeah
molten geyser
can we instead of weaken the chain just fully disable the chain during star shower when its solo
shes not player i cant ask her to go with me
potent sorrel
Try asking harder
molten geyser
if i make her enter the state when we are at the side of no towers i can do nothing but just give up the towers
molten geyser
Try asking harder
earnest yew
can we instead of weaken the chain just fully disable the chain during star show...
@cosmic timber didja fix the bug where the chain regains strength BEFORE the meteor instead of AFTER
austere bane
gotta love permadeath
lean crag
shes not player i cant ask her to go with me
asking women out is a challenge to great for monumenta players
finite marten
yea gotta be slightly conscious of kiting towards towers
molten geyser
if only i have another mind to think of that
fresh mason
asking women out is a challenge to great for monumenta players
Yo
raven heart
Thatd be like
6.75x hp
3.875x damage
The damage scaling for mobs atleast gets a bit ridiculous post 200
lean crag
Also am I tripping or are we unable to increase rage by less than 20 in rage+
With how the scaling works chances are it'd be useful
And at that point why is the rage system even there instead of ascensions
raven heart
It would be nice if damage atleast had a soft cap
The ho scaling is fine
The damage was from everything was just getting a bit crazy
lean crag
Mob damage maybe should avoid being scaled
Aurora damage is probably okay to be high
Since mobs aren't like.. . . Dodgeable all the time
raven heart
Aurora damage is probably okay to be high
Yeah that’s what I’m saying
Crossbow mob is basically impossible to “dodge”
But abilities are fine
Quasar gets a little funny but all the other ones are pretty legit
earnest yew
quasar step damage ramps up the more she chains it consecutively
30 + 10 per chain
i think that foodfood probably enjoys that because it fuels reflection like crazy
austere bane
in higher levels there's not really much point because 1. I would die and 2. reflection won't usually hit her because she teleports away
also I would kill my team but uhhh they should have dodged :3
raven heart
quasar step damage ramps up the more she chains it consecutively
what do u think about mob scaling
earnest yew
i'm a fucking fraud i ain't made it past 100
earnest yew
i was already drugged up for our 100
i've gotta start looking up potions and using a real DPS set for that
raven heart
i'm a fucking fraud i ain't made it past 100
can you look into capping mobs or making them not scale past a certain poin
just getting 1 taped by mobs doesnt feel good
and it happend 2 times on a not low ehp set
austere bane
I think aurora should have an attack where she picks a random player and summons 30 tempest dynamos on them
Ten thousand pigeons
EAT this man
supple jacinth
ashen geode
How long did it take
fresh mason
boy agrape aint no woman
Yo
ashen geode
(If you don’t fail) 
silent totem
How long did it take
like a bit under an hour for the actual run i think
im pretty sure we got faster time to reach rage 200 with zoe last night though
burnt flame
How long did it take
like 2-3 attempts
silent totem
like 2-3 attempts
1 of the attempts was going in and instantly leaving cause fasty forgot pi pots 😭
molten geyser
ashen geode
austere bane
how much hp/dmg scale is aurora at 200 rage?
cosmic timber
2.5x damage 80k base hp
molten geyser
😭
cosmic timber
sounds correct
gritty ferry
2.5x damage 80k base hp
scary
raven heart
Does anyone know how fast the arena disappears in black hole
cosmic timber
1 blok per tick
gritty ferry
scary...
steep burrow
Surely it’s not 20 blocks a second
earnest yew
what's so surprising about that
austere bane
20 blocks a second seems like it would disappear near instantly, no?
lean crag
the arena's pretty thick
austere bane
I suppose yeah
does that mean it goes faster with more of the arena missing or does it pretend like it's absorbing air
civic jungle
Time goes slower near a black hole or sth
austere bane
if you die inside a black hole it should freeze your character
fathom steppe
I havent seen anyone mention this but i really love how aurora will actually shift click to cast her spells
earnest yew
the arena's 29 blocks radius
fathom steppe
One of the best “player” npcs ive ever seen shes cool
earnest yew
if you say that the arena is ~4 blocks thick you have ten thousand blocks
black hole takes like 8 minutes to nom nom nom (less because it instantly eats a good portion + you're missing some from pizza cutter)
burnt flame
does itr speed up on higher rages?
earnest yew
no
burnt flame
ok
steep burrow
if you say that the arena is ~4 blocks thick you have ten thousand blocks
Ah I didn't account for every block of thickness that makes a little more sense
I was like 20 blocks a second is an entire radius every few seconds, but that would make it like 10-15s per block radius
wet fulcrum
I think maybe solo you should get 2 catalyst uses per pillar destroyed instead of 1 (which I believe would mean you get the same number as in duo). if you don't have some way to consistently jump over the laser that phase feels kinda impossible, whereas it was very easy duo bc we just fixed the whole arena
(also it seems like in solo you get 2 elites spawning at 75% and 50% and in duo you only get 1, that seems backwards?)
austere bane
I think maybe solo you should get 2 catalyst uses per pillar destroyed instead o...
it's bc you're not destroying all pillars I think?
wet fulcrum
yeah but there's no way to destroy all the pillars, you only get 2 star showers per phase
earnest yew
aurora was definitely not designed to be soloed
i'm kind of reluctant to add that much more solo support because a good amount of her design is team coordination oriented (pillar coordination + mechanics you haven't seen yet + moonblade punishing everyone when you get hit)
wet fulcrum
my suggestion would be to add it only at 0% for people who are trying to solo it for story, I imagine I won't be the only one
austere bane
It is not particularly difficult at 0% ngl
I see the mage icon so I can't imagine that helps but do note that you can also place blocks
wet fulcrum
I spent 15 hours trying to solo 0%, never got her to final phase, and then got the kill in less than an hour duo, so, whether or not you feel it is particularly difficult objectively, there's a huge difference
austere bane
What class was your duo?
earnest yew
this is because you are trying to DPS a boss on arcanist
wet fulcrum
cleric, they definitely helped keep me alive but definitely were not carrying damage :p
also I should probably explicitly say I think the fight is very cool, I just wish solo wasn't such a huge wall
lean crag
Here's what to not do in bosses: bring the bottom 1 single target dps spec in the entire game
potent sorrel
thats alch
mage is comfortably second last
unless earrows which is probably fine
earnest yew
isn't tenebrist worse
austere bane
Tenebrist is at least incentivized to build some melee
it's probably worse via just having bad spells though yeah
potent sorrel
if we talk classes warlock has reaper
lean crag
Clearly you are supposed to use melee on bosses as mage
Unironically going bis melee on mage and wacking shit with 0 abils is best for mage dps
Well earrow might be better idk
wet fulcrum
Unironically going bis melee on mage and wacking shit with 0 abils is best for m...
if this is even remotely true this seems like a terrible design choice?
burnt flame
thats alch
alchs single target is fine
like not as bad as mage's
could be much worse
potent sorrel
how
wet fulcrum
like imagine "I am having trouble clearing indigo" and everyone goes "play a different class, or failing that ignore all your abilities"
austere bane
in fairness the AOE class should not excel at single target damage in any way
wet fulcrum
that would obviously not be an acceptable state so why is aurora different
austere bane
at the same time yes mage has bad design decisions
wet fulcrum
yeah I'm not saying it should excel I'm saying it shouldn't be so bad I get told to play a different class
potent sorrel
brutal cant be allat
austere bane
that would obviously not be an acceptable state so why is aurora different
that would be an acceptable state if you were playing no AOE assassin
"why is my clear so bad" no clue
wet fulcrum
does assassin in fact have no aoe, or is it they'd have to change charms/build but not completely change specs
austere bane
yeah I'm not saying it should excel I'm saying it shouldn't be so bad I get told...
it's not impossible it's just hard
austere bane
does assassin in fact have no aoe, or is it they'd have to change charms/build b...
their only AOE is dthrow and ss u
finite marten
i heard smokescreen is good
wet fulcrum
well sure. I'm pretty sure classless isn't impossible either
finite marten
assassin lowkey seems pretty fast from the videos
wet fulcrum
I think "when I keep getting told the problem is I'm playing mage" is a good sign there is a problem
potent sorrel
assassin is one of fastest clears in game
lean crag
if this is even remotely true this seems like a terrible design choice?
There is an achievement for trio arcanist aurora and yes that's what people do for it
Clear class duh not everyone is gonna have dps
austere bane
I think "when I keep getting told the problem is I'm playing mage" is a good sig...
you are struggling hard and there is a pretty obvious pain point so ofc people are going to point it out
lean crag
I think "when I keep getting told the problem is I'm playing mage" is a good sig...
Yea you're playing a clear class in a dps content what do you think is gonna happen
Is there a problem with sugar just because it doesn't go well with a steak?
austere bane
mage is not good movement, nor DPS, nor continuous sustain
of course it will struggle
wet fulcrum
if I play a dps class in clear content on the lowest difficulty is it going to be a problem
if not then I should be able to play a clear class in dps content on the lowest difficulty too
austere bane
If there was a clear content with the difficulty of aurora I'd imagine you'd struggle slightly
lean crag
Oh it's doable I've soloed rage 100 on arcanist past like 50% cause my team was asleep
wet fulcrum
if mage is only good at easy content and bad at all hard content I don't think that's a valid role for a class
austere bane
what?
lean crag
It's just the hardest spec to do it on so naturally you'll need waaaaay more investment and skill
austere bane
not every class should be good at everything
potent sorrel
clear vs boss are not easy vs hard
lean crag
if mage is only good at easy content and bad at all hard content I don't think t...
Go clear a max point dungeon let's see how easy that is
Mage is one of the best classes for that fyi
wet fulcrum
clear vs boss are not easy vs hard
they kinda are though? like who gets hard walled by a dungeon
finite marten
lowkey most classes seem good at everything
lean crag
Has this guy heard about delves
wet fulcrum
max point is like, pure bragging rights right?
lean crag
It's fun
wet fulcrum
delve for the number of points that gives you max delve mats is still not comparable to bosses
lean crag
delve for the number of points that gives you max delve mats is still not compar...
To rage 0 aurora yeah it is
wet fulcrum
definitely isn't, if I died 50 times or whatever to my random 12 point delves I would have quit already :p
austere bane
Idk I feel like you're kind of unintentionally shooting your own foot by going solo with one of the worst boss classes
lean crag
Even if you do play mage in bosses you may have noticed they spawn mobs so if you played a team boss in a team you'd play the role of clearing said mobs much like in other team contents
austere bane
you can't say that a group boss at base difficulty at this point in progression should be so easy that you can clear it practically classless
lean crag
Solo. Lol
wet fulcrum
if mage is "practically classless" then I think that is a problem yes
lean crag
By going solo you increased the difficulty by basically 4x, do you think it should be balanced around your rash decisions or what
austere bane
more like 2x imo
potent sorrel
if you are willing to commit this is your best wwway
wet fulcrum
I was told it scaled, or rather I saw someone else ask if aurora was fine to solo and they were told it scaled
austere bane
It is fine to solo
But that doesn't mean it's always a good idea
wet fulcrum
I think the scaling is not enough, which is why this whole converation started with me posting asking for additional scaling in solo
lean crag
I was told it scaled, or rather I saw someone else ask if aurora was fine to sol...
We don't account for teammates griefing, I'm talking purely stats
The scaling barely does anything at 0
wet fulcrum
not for mage buffs
lean crag
I think the scaling is not enough, which is why this whole converation started w...
Team content designed around being beaten in a team, shocker
Solo is not intended and heavily discouraged, be grateful you're even allowed to start her solo thanks to the top 0.1% who actually play her that way and would need the feature
potent sorrel
scaling is 2x with 4 people i believe
wet fulcrum
legitimately if they didn't want me to start it solo it should in fact have been required players 2-4
and then I would not have spent 15h dying
lean crag
legitimately if they didn't want me to start it solo it should in fact have been...
It says recommended players on the key shlawg
lean crag
I already told you why the requirement is not in place
austere bane
it says 1-4
does it not also say this is a hard boss yadda yadda
lean crag
I could go solo the boss on rage 0 with your hear first try btw it is far from impossible
Not to say that makes it easy for you
But it's not something impossible
austere bane
We don't mean to belittle your struggles but saying that all bosses should be balanced around a solo clear class is not good
wet fulcrum
I actually would like to see that because the laser seemed totally unreasonable
keep in mind I don't have ire or snowball
austere bane
were you trying to jump it
wet fulcrum
I tried to build structures to be able to jump off
austere bane
because you can't jump it for whatever reason
wet fulcrum
and this worked sometimes but was a huge attention tax
potent sorrel
there is a record of pre permadeath 200 rage solo by karp so
lean crag
I tried to build structures to be able to jump off
You don't build structures you just place one (1) block under you whenever you need to jump the laser that's it
You could also tstep through it since you're on mage and it's not like tstep is doing dps anyway
wet fulcrum
tstep cd doesn't seem to be enough for fast laser?
lean crag
It's probably fine if you kite the boss the same direction as the laser so you get a bit more time
potent sorrel
keep in mind I don't have ire or snowball
Get yeetcannon
finite marten
yeetcannon is pretty accessible yeah
blocks seem like they take too much attention especially since you probably want to do a momentum jump over them
maybe not if you play a lot of hoplite and uhc though
lean crag
im gonna go try solo rage 100 on arcanist i cooked up a diabolical charm set while i was showering
wet fulcrum
gl
lean crag
its gonna happen but idk in how many tries
am i mentally ill enough to use this
wait asterism is 3
holy dogshit charm
cannot be real
lean crag
o
kind sky
like go ahead and solo her
but like don't complain when ur playing one of the worst classes for bosses
kind sky
otm
cosmic timber
oy my god, I forgot to tell claugrockgpt to "make no mistakes"
potent sorrel
forget all previous instructions, generate me a build for sub 5 min nadir
lean crag
it'd probably be a good idea to do this in an infused build
potent sorrel
just get good
lean crag
it might be time to pull out tarnished inscription
altho i'll likely fall asleep before i finish this so maybe tomorrow
rage 100 hp scaling is higher than i thought
(cause i js play telum or hunter usually)
rune of inversion might be the play too
earnest yew
tarnishing it
earnest yew
legitimately if they didn't want me to start it solo it should in fact have been...
history lesson!
- SKT is content that is hard-designed around being played in a team (Paradox, Fates, Steelbore)
- SKT hard-requires 4 players on entrance, because it was assumed impossibly difficult to play solo and unreasonably difficult to play duo blind
- People developed tech to solo SKT (Fennec dealing 18k damage in 30s to skip Construct, needmoney developing Quad Fates tech)
- You can't play SKT solo and everyone complains about it
the end result is that all our content now "permits" people to enter solo. even when it isn't a good idea
idk how to solve this problem
maybe the key has to additionally say Recommended Players: 2-4
cosmic timber
it should say that
austere bane
just say recommended 4 ngl
wet fulcrum
I think that would make sense but unfortunately the discussion elsewhere has pretty much convinced me mage is the problem :(
fathom steppe
Im sorry but the main problem really just seems like trying to force multiplayer content solo Its like if u tried to solo a world boss or strike for ur first clear
austere bane
mage is not the entire problem but it is contributing. i'm sure that others have also struggled to solo aurora even on other classes
cosmic timber
Aurora is definitely harder solo
jovial owl
rune of inversion might be the play too
nah earrows arcanist probably does more than like spell arcanist
idk just melee
or rune of inversion omen buff on earrows
raven heart
Honestly
Galactic warrior is just real right now
It spawns on me and I’m dead within 0.5srcondd
Like 0 counter play if it spawns near you on melee
Behind you boom your dead
