Coalrupted Sierhaven Feedback Thread

[prime sedge]

ice diamond -> eggnog -> cxp

[vapid hedge]

SS was just added as a seasonal boss, not as full real deal content, Koal's purpose was to breathe additional life into running ss

[potent mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98227800330227712/1493458479761854464/439687342523.gif

I mean I guess but I don't think it being seasonal means it can't have money rewards, no? Even if they're not that great

[vapid hedge]

Pzero, snowman brawls are in the same cast

at least in theory until a daily was added during winter events

[fading bolt]

ss is like the r1 version of horseman though i think it could get an actual useful drop

Heh... Possibly even artifacts...

And then make horseman drop key fragments to play a halloween mistport strike

Can you hire me I'm actually a genius

[potent mural]

it just drops you in marina noir

[potent mural]

they should make you a developer

become greener

[atomic hemlock]

but... its so fun...

[olive sand]

Idk why everybody is complaining about having to do winter content to do more winter content, SS takes 3-4 minutes to beat even with a bad team, my lfg I had was doing runs in under 2 minutes, it takes longer to grind one hxp from poi’s then it does to get your guaranteed frag/key from a snowglobe chest

[potent mural]

Because it feels bad to be forced to do content I don't enjoy to play content I do? idc if it's quick I feel like I'm doing a chore by doing snow spirit and the only rewards I get are literally for koal. There's nothing else, no pgold no cxp no tiered items, and having them would really help if adding an alternate key is out of the question since then there's incentive to run it outside of being a key bot

[olive sand]

The incentive is getting brand new rare items in the new strike I feel like

Koal gave ss a purpose before it legitimately was nothing after you got all the event items

Which was in my case refreshing

Also like…. Daily’s in monumenta are chores lmao, like cmon

If you don’t like the chores just don’t do them, or just join when people are calling them out, that’s how I avoid the burn out doing my daily’s everyday at least

[potent mural]

No, because I feel like I actually get something for doing them
Fractions of pgold/pems/pdias, hard cash, materials - they all give something of value so I feel like my time is respected
Snow spirit gives nothing except koal key materials

[olive sand]

You get spirits of the holidays and cryospheres too

Those are decently priced

[potent mural]

Spirits are what I'm talking about and you don't get cryospheres outside of winter

iirc

[olive sand]

I say to kinda overcome the key problem, make the snow globe a guaranteed charcoal key, and the snow spoils have a chance to drop key fragments to make them a bit easier to grind

You get cryospheres from spoils at a low drop rate

Very low

[dark jungle]

Key frags are snowglobe (first win of a day) only fyi

[potent mural]

ah, so it's even worse at making me feel like it's worth it

[olive sand]

You can get a frag or a full key on globe

It’s one or the other

[dark jungle]

I think part of the displeasure is likely due to the liquidity atm. Running two dozen in a row would be hard. That will resolve itself with time.

[olive sand]

I suggest that spoils contain frags at a lot chance to make it not winter locked but eh

I get that, like not everybody wants to run x30 snow spirits at a time, trust me I tried doing it with groups they fall off quickly

[potent mural]

literally just add ~3 tiered items to the loot chests and it's fine

or frags

and make actual items

[olive sand]

Wdym actual items?

Like a fragment of snow for a new item pool

[potent mural]

actual ss artifacts

[olive sand]

Ehh

What could they already add though? There’s tons of event items and a Tess of winter already

Adding a few tired items to a ss chest seems pennys to me

You make like 1hxp on a decent run of koal

I feel like that kinda compensates a bit

Not only that, but a frag is x2 runs if everybody provides, which is 2HXP on two good runs

From one ss

If we make the key cost xp, then that completely destroys any idea of running ss for pretty much good

Which would be more r1 dead content

[potent mural]

This is just pointing out how much ss is just key fuel for koal

ideally it stands on its own but also gives key materials for koal

[olive sand]

Yeah but what else can they do to help revive the boss

[potent mural]

e.g. literally any other content with a key that requires other things

Reverie teal shifting azacor pois

imagine if they gave no other loot except cmal/sigils/ancient crystals/hellpact mats

that's snow spirit

[olive sand]

Fair point ig

But the fact the boss takes a fraction of time compared to gathering those mats would be my only argument

[dark jungle]

Snow spirit has the gacha pull still

[olive sand]

It’s just a silly blaze, go throw snowballs at it

[dark jungle]

Purple ornament 🔥

[olive sand]

I still haven’t gotten one of those after almost 300..

[potent mural]

finally... 1/3 of a key

[dark jungle]

Sell it 🥺

[potent mural]

wts for 1 spirit of the holidays to NPC

[dark jungle]

I'd pay 16 hyper lol

[olive sand]

What if in the chest got a random uncommon winter event gear for the snow diamonds cost item from the winter pool

Similar to how azacor gets an uncommon item each run

[potent mural]

that'd be a good start yeah

[olive sand]

Food for thought

Trying to keep it like in the lines w/o going off too hard

Koal rewards should drop ornaments too while we’re at it

That can help refund a little bit of the spirits for keys

[calm hazel]

First win reward is also only seasonal

[potent mural]

[olive sand]

Yeah.. globe isn’t always around

It was introduced last year December winter event

[fading bolt]

wait so can u only do koal with spirit of the holiday after the event ends

[vapid hedge]

charcoal key frags drop from presents

Not very common to avoid going infinite

[dark jungle]

Even if they were always around, the once a day restriction makes them awkward (assuming holiday spirit didnt exist). For something one-off (gear-ish stuff) the one per day model stabilizes to frag value over time. For something consumable-ish the value stabilizes to the cost of accessible alternatives. For something key-ish with no alternatives things get fuzzy because there is no (natural) feedback loop to drag things back down. X runs can be done per week, and everyone is competing for those limited slots. There is no way for an individual to support the demand of multiple others.

Worldboss mats drop in quantities exceeding what an individual would usually want to use in a week, so they get a pass

[olive sand]

Wait they drop from the spirits chests from ss? Since when

Like the snow spirits chests

[calm hazel]

no, the koal gift presents

the ones you get a few on a good clear

[olive sand]

The only part I disagree with is competing for limited spots, me and Steve host koal at different times of the day and it seems to take forever to fill all 6 spots, now that could be because of lack of materials, and they can’t afford to provide one mat, but even then mine are free and I still can’t get people to jump in

[olive sand]

Oh okay gotcha, I actually didn’t know that

So keys are slightly renewable on good runs sometimes

[potent mural]

tbf there are like. 40 people on max rn

curse of no new farmable content

[olive sand]

Usually 60-80 my hours of ontime

Est afternoon/evening

[dark jungle]

It is possible for "it takes a long time to fill 6 slots" and "me and the boys love this content and we want to run it a dozen times in a row today and shoot for a leaderboard position" to coexist simultaneously, and when the market is unable to buffer supply to satisfy the latter group, the former is hurt as well.

[olive sand]

Yeah.. imagine having homies to run it with

[dark jungle]

The downward spiral of no one doing it because no one does it

[olive sand]

A lot of my friends who are on don’t like running it unfortunately

[dark jungle]

It takes many runs to get used to

[olive sand]

Yeah which I try to explain to them, and the more you play the more snow perks you’ll unlock to make it easier but they can’t even be bothered, even when it’s free

Maybe part of that reason too is the item selection? But it was also released on April fools, so are the items Intended to be what they are?

Like for the coal fragments items I mean

[potent mural]

what's wrong with em

[dark jungle]

Region

[dusty bough]

with both purple ornament and jingle bells item having very little to no value outside collection/cosmetics

[dusty bough]

there are some decent and some niche ones

[olive sand]

I personally don’t mind them, I already own everything from SS minus the holiday skins but I have plenty of spirits of the holidays to buy them all, just lack the base items

Also the purple ornament has to be significantly lower then jingle bell because I have like 7 drops of the bells and zero of purple

[heady dune]

bells are 1/50 purple ornament is 1/250

[olive sand]

So I’m getting close! (Hopefully)

[dusty bough]

gamblers fallacy is so evil

[prime portal]

takin' note of this for later

also that Purple Ornament drop rate is diabolical wtf

[fading bolt]

i really like this strike for the most part but i dont like when strikes have traps that can just straight up kill you

in dungeons its fine and kinda funny but when u have 1 life and ur paying for a key its really annoying to die to something you didnt know was there and get kicked out

Idkj if this was even a trap i died infront of the castle cause a ghast blew up the floor near me and i walked into it while shooting at the ghast and theres just randomly deep lava i cant build out of before i died and that pmo'd me off

and if its supposed to be something like ur meant to learn all the trials and tribulations over the course of many runs then coal already does that just by being a huge map that you couldnt possibly fully explore in 1 run so u spend multiple runs going to every area and figuring out routes

[lavish sage]

shift the Memory Vault down by one and add a barrier ceiling. i Chimney'ed into the Vault and the whole area instantly flooded, creating the most melee racist experience ever because you can't crit in 1 block deep water and you can't move around.

[prime sedge]

or remove the waterlogged quartz slabs

[woven anchor]

charged UV

[dusty bough]

thats annoying yeah, reason why i have gemcrusted manpance ready

[prime sedge]

add a water bubble elevator exit at the legendary discovery area

[atomic hemlock]

ehhh part of the risk is "do i have enough time to return the loot" imo. it's both exciting and annoying to be in the sewers (not sure if u mean this or the kaul) and realize "ah shit i gotta dip now" and miss a couple chests

[prime sedge]

oh there are 2

i meant the one that needs kaul to be summoned to change the day time

[olive sand]

There’s still a lot of areas i need to check out

Also never got an answer on how the snowman boss entry works, it is the one who lands the killing blow to get the bestiary entry or everyone who’s attacking?

[heady dune]

if a mob is tagged as a boss everyone who damaged it at least once gets bestiary credit

[olive sand]

So it glitched for me :/ cause I never got it

I’ll give it another attempt sometime to see if I can get it to unlock

[heady dune]

theres a weird quirk due to minecraft code that if it doesnt take any damage from players in the 5 seconds before it dies, and dies to damage not attributed to a player, it doesn't count for anyone

the boss itself might just be doing something weird i havent seen it at all tbh

[olive sand]

It’s such a pain to get up there even with riptide lol, I’ve managed to see the boss two times, but only beat it once with a team of 4

[prime sedge]

there isnt a bestiary for it

[olive sand]

Wha..?

[heady dune]

guh

[olive sand]

Then what are my two missing entries then..

[heady dune]

oh those

[olive sand]

I figured the boss was one

[heady dune]

"snowcrest seat" and "snowcrest seat mount"

no idea what they're used for

[olive sand]

Hmmmm

[heady dune]

dont believe either are killable

[olive sand]

Okay then sweet, problem solved! For now lol

[heady dune]

i should look into fixing the bestiary but the outage that killed the eu proxy (#server-status) also killed our dev servers lol

ill check in a few hours it should probably be back by then

[olive sand]

Hope so, sounds a bit troubling

[heady dune]

bestiary fixed for next update

[dusty bough]

i really like how different koal feels, extraction style strike with r3 level of chaos in r1

i love going to herobrine corner, terth vault or smallpoint severs and just freezing everything with that ice explosion + snow leopard perks

so satisfying getting all those mobs to melt

[vapid hedge]

Spawner placed directly on ground surrounded by gravity blocks should trigger alarm bells to be ready

Lifeline perk is also very useful for when you're still learning the map

[quiet drum]

lifeline perk useful because i play 35 ehp

[prime sedge]

its placed 1 block above the gravel

[prime portal]

I have new findings to share

I Do Not Like Snowmen

[fading bolt]

That's not what happened the area Infront of the castle is all cobblestone and an explosion from a ghast fireball revealed the lava underneath

and i didn't see that cause i was busy looking up at the ghast

[calm hazel]

⛄

[prime portal]

AAAAAAA

[potent mural]

waow... sniffy elite...

[dusty bough]

what would players that first saw galen and port manteau in koal think when they get to r3

[potent mural]

"wow, this is just like how they copied snow spirit and made it into the forum boss"

[calm hazel]

you know what's funny is snow spirit released for me while I was playing through r2 still

so this is genuinely the realization I made

[prime sedge]

honestly was expecting corrupted sniffy to be way harder than what is rn

currently it isnt even immune to stun

[unreal shard]

its missing the Boss tag unintentionally

[bold roost]

Yeah it's kinda getting perma-staggered by scouts rn so

[olive sand]

Is that intended? since you know, this is still an on going April fools prank and all,

[potent mural]

Is it intentional that corrupted sniffy can fall into the void (preventing you from getting the achievement)

[calm hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-kirby-drop-falling-deep-gif-17081698

[heady dune]

clearly it should save itself by swapping places with a random player

[potent mural]

... now you've given me a very silly idea, actually - how much damage does void do per second?

and is there a lower limit to how low you can go in monumenta?

and also do shaman totems work below y=0

[heady dune]

• like 2 hearts i think
• theres an anticheat that just kills you after like 10 seconds regardless of health
• idk

[potent mural]

I think I could have tanked it in full tshaman ty for info

[heady dune]

i think the totem falls either faster or slower than the player

[prime portal]

but does it fall faster or slower than Sniffy

[potent mural]

I wonder if there's enough uptime with r1 cleansing totem to outheal the blizzard

Ft. 6 people

[vapid hedge]

yeah

need to watch where it jumps

[potent mural]

[heady dune]

the extremely slow totemic projection train

one misclick and i'm dead

also it's 5 flat damage per second do with that as you will

[potent mural]

oh that sounds survivable easily ngl

[heady dune]

terror

[potent mural]

might even be simpler with clerics
48% x6 healing every 27s or whatever vs 15%+3 x5 every 10s

[heady dune]

scary...

hard to get everyone in the hitbox every time with no enhancement though

[potent mural]

cleansing totem is arguably worse with its godawful base radius
i guess you could triple stack them and then leapfrog so you don't have to continuously spam them

SURELY this doesn't stack with itself otherwise everyone gets +45% healing

+25% healing is not bad I guess

[prime portal]

I imagine actually gettin' anything done like this would be a nightmare

[potent mural]

1.25 * 1.1 * 1.2 * (4% hp * 12/30 * 52 + 0.89) (could be lower with temporal)
... what do you mean you only need two shamans to go infinite

https://odetomisery.vercel.app/builder/m=Truest North-4&o=C'Zanil's Talisman&h=Corrupted Jeweled Tiara&c=Ghoulskin Shroud&l=Earthbound Pants&b=Boots of Vigor&charm=None
build

this is without saturation and you heal 2.814 hp per second on average

quite honestly I don't even know if you need another shaman if you can keep saturation up/use other potions

yeah saturation is 2 hp per second so if you drink a healing rate potion you go positive
ofc that's not sustainable but you can live for a good while

ah. okay you heal 2.978 hp per second per shaman with this, actually

its 2.85 if you're solo

hand of light heals 2.814 hp/s and needs another player though you do have more in-class healing and sustain options

[dusty bough]

hol has a 2 block radius around player in addition to the cone

its quite easy to just get everyone in a 1x1 space tough

[fading bolt]

how does the anti lootrun mechanic even work sometimes i can loot chests near spawners and enemies with no problem and sometimes theyre locked even if i cant find any spawners or mobs near it

[lavish sage]

it goes through walls

it may be that the mobs just Are Behind Walls

[fading bolt]

That SUX.

[atomic hemlock]

has anyone ever been able to reach the floating island in the corner from when reset tunnel puts you on the glass 3x3 platform

[heady dune]

you can ua to it just fine

it has like one t2 one t1 a ghast and a goat

[dusty bough]

yes, using loom and ire as warrior lol

it just has many ghasts and creepers and iirc those chests are not worth it

you can also try smt with sphere of vargos

[fading bolt]

I like the corner that just has like 10 elite spawners

[vapid hedge]

yeah but isn't it on a gravity block itself

[prime sedge]

no

[vapid hedge]

what..

[potent mural]

clearly, it's a trap for those who break spawner pedestals

Veilripper nerf

[lavish sage]

when Frozen Reflection recasts tstep it also reteleports you which is kinda funny

idk what it does for astrike

it should give you double absorption hearts for pris shield

[bold roost]

Yeah :3

[bold roost]

It will only recast active abilities (those with actual key triggers), abilities that trigger off of other things like arcane strike or soul rend won’t count

[bold roost]

I could add it to the ignored abilities list but I don’t think so perhaps

I’m gonna add shaman totems to that list though, people can let me know if anything else should be ignored by reflection

[dusty bough]

do ignored abilities also get dmg nerf?

[bold roost]

Yes, it’s a passive debuff on yourself

[dusty bough]

omw to use it on warrior

recasting defensive line or smt

shield bash and riposte doesn't work i guess

[bold roost]

Defensive line is the only thing it can recast yeah

[potent mural]

add an exception for brute force (it just allows you to use brute force u)

[prime sedge]

what if snowballs were buffed and their drop rates nerfed a lot so it doesnt clog up my inventory

i dont think they get used at all its just a thunder aspect 10 and it has a cooldown

[dusty bough]

they are quite useless

only mobs you might want to stun are elites and proj taspect doesn't stun elites

[lavish sage]

lowkey that kinda sucks because you nerf the ability that doesn't even benefit from the recasting

[atomic hemlock]

not really a koal question, but: why's the ss lobby jp a discovery and not an advancement? is this a deliberate exception, something for a suggestion, or something you planned to change after it was found?

[lavish sage]

@heady dune why'd we make it a discovery again

[olive sand]

is there a text chat that says when shatter proof ornament goes off?

[heady dune]

idk

didnt want to set up an advancement and thought it would be more interesting this way + someone (aubrey?) said something like "i wish there were more parkours not necessarily tied to advancements or anything"

[dusty bough]

all koal advancements have been found right?

[bold roost]

No, but it plays an action bar message

[olive sand]

i dont feel liek it went off, yet i died on my "first" death in my koal run just now, took a 5 min clip oif before hand and my hp never reached zero before

just noting this, idk if its an on going issue or not, never had it not work on me before

[bold roost]

Do you have the clip?

[olive sand]

no, i trashed it after to make sure i didnt goof, and it wasnt of the full run, way like 2 min in before it captured, im not looking for comp or anything was just noting

[bold roost]

Hmmm I'll check it a bit

And I can give it a message in chat like the other perks (they were made afterwards)

[olive sand]

im about to run some more, if it happens again i can clip again to verify

(a chat msg would be cool cause then it would be in logs too)

[heady dune]

yeah

6 in api, reading koal, koal miner, and sniffy

[potent mural]

it works just fine for me

[prime portal]

what even is Reading Koalprehension

how do you get it

[heady dune]

lack of reading comprehension

(drop a charcoal key into the pile instead of coal)

[prime portal]

comical

[heady dune]

i hope the rp artist who ends up doing it makes them look really similar as well

[prime sedge]

coal sometimes causes lag spikes, not sure what causes it

[olive sand]

yeah the tps was really bad on 2 of 4 runs

also shatterproof worked fine those runs, maybe i did drop to zero and didnt notice

[calm hazel]

definitely do this I think, I honestly think we overuse the action bar

not just in coalrupted

[heady dune]

ive noticed this on our test servers as well because they have less ram and they drop to like 10tps on instance start

and also we keep getting log warnings about thousands of entities on valley somehow ._.

[dark jungle]

Does the server have Spark?

[heady dune]

it does but it happens more with more players and i dont currently have devs/betaers available to hop on

[dark jungle]

https://spark.lucko.me/

[heady dune]

i tried that a couple times but nothing conclusive

it may also be related to the 6k entities somewhere on valley main world im currently trying to track down

[vapid hedge]

might be related to port sniffy somehow, noticed drops during first release when clearing it

[heady dune]

im trying to triangulate it with entity selectors and distances

kind of tedious

[bold roost]

Idk what but it's something in port sniffy yeah

[dark jungle]

Make a command block tp you to a randomly selected entity once per second and just watch for 2 minutes, with 6k entities you'll see clustering at the problem area

Because of sample size

[heady dune]

or i could have 3400 entities pull up on me in sierhaven i guess thats fine too

[dark jungle]

Statistics go brr

[heady dune]

the hell is this

[dark jungle]

500 entities
We must have more

[heady dune]

hm.

[zinc fractal]

hmmmmmmm.....

[dark jungle]

Hotfix: removed guilds to fix lag

[native marten]

[bold roost]

Hmmm

[olive sand]

oh yikes..

[prime portal]

oh THAT'S what that guy was talkin' about

the other day, someone mentioned gettin' a bunch of lag because there were like

a million guild banners quantum-superimposed on one another

and I figured it was just like a one-time thing that only happens in extremely specific cases

[bold roost]

Yeah, I would want it to recast with lowered damage too but I didn't figure out a way to do that (in the 1.5 weeks spent making the next page of perks)

But I might have a way that doesn't suck now

[olive sand]

I’m not sure how to do bugs but I’ll just mention in case for notes that snow owl after the weekly doesn’t work in coalrupted sierhaven, assuming this got yoinked by mistake since double jumping was happening in adventure zones

[bold roost]

Yeah sadmouse

Must have gotten caught up in all the double jump refactoring