Zenith rooms discussion

[tepid stream]

and have them have a decent bit of force

[modern brook]

White fan?

[tepid stream]

so id you fall you get back up but

prime seeker target

[modern brook]

I love white fan

[sleek musk]

More like Superior

Because they had a good idea

[modern star]

thats not even bad

did ppl just overreact to seeing lava or smth

[sudden bramble]

uurik + lava =

[hidden drift]

ptsd

[strange kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-ww2-traumatized-meme-eyes-gif-12257475272172704406

[hidden drift]

It causes extra fear when, lava pools in a floor based on plants

😌

[modern brook]

just cobweb trap enough i think

Powder+cobweb is more anoying than lava and they have it in f1

[lethal thunder]

highk make a sniping room for venus like its a cage in the middle and venuses is in there and its a circle ass room free range sniping theres no way to take care of it unless you go up and kill it

this is just banter btw dont make it please

[hybrid mantle]

that one chorus gravel room but evil

[lethal thunder]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

make it more evil

[hybrid mantle]

who up getting an ss of every room and making a tier list 😁

[lethal thunder]

LMAO

[wide helm]

twisted rooms in cz

[lucid pecan]

I did but gave up cuz too many screenshot

[hybrid mantle]

gg

[lucid pecan]

if u ss all and send I'll make it rq

[jolly lake]

See pinned feedback on what goes and doesn't go for feedback here

[hybrid mantle]

im making a doc compiling issues with certain rooms ill get the ss's whenever i hop on today

[earnest jolt]

we really should make a doc of room list

so we can finally call a room like Cat instead of That room with gravel and funny cat spawners

[jolly lake]

you know which rooms are you including here

[broken igloo]

All the rooms before the 2024 july cz update

[hybrid mantle]

mato's room imo brings that style back in a good way for new gameplay where its not really linear and requires you to route properly without there being anything unreasonably challenging for f1

i think abundance of creeper spawners in a layout like that helps keep it interesting and fun too

and god bless one albert doesnt brick the room

[lucid pecan]

imagine f3 crowd af room with 120% chance stairs get destroy

[hybrid mantle]

cobweb stair trap f3 room

[strange kernel]

What stair

[lucid pecan]

the one has same walking space as stonkco

new room is balanced, indeed imo if u wanna add trap like this just dont make the spawner too condense and full with elite

[past kraken]

do NOT provide ideas

[sudden bramble]

[grand shale]

curses killed cz

[broken igloo]

@fierce idol What do u mean ❓

Curses are the worst addition to cz

We have like 10x more a17 comps than a18 for a reason

10x is lowball actually

[feral pawn]

a18 is only for comp

[fierce idol]

How is that killed cz

U can still do a15

[broken igloo]

Cuz 75% of the playerbase quit when that dropped??

[broken igloo]

We were promised a cz expansion instead we got something no one played

[fierce idol]

Also this is room discussion

[night garnet]

is the new room that bad does anyone have a pic of it

[hidden drift]

https://streamable.com/z80yak?src=player-page-share

[night garnet]

shits like 4 spawners

just make the lava moats like half as wide and 1 block tall and its legit like 4/10 difficulty

[hybrid mantle]

its annoying if u get it early and theres a twist

else pretty chill

[lucid pecan]

Vanilla melee gameplay

[hybrid mantle]

in lava 💔

[night garnet]

yeah i mean twisted early in general is cancer

[hybrid mantle]

main issue is twist trying to take a lava bath thats it

[night garnet]

fairs

[night garnet]

is a17 one curse and a18 two curses

[desert scarab]

a18 is three?

one at start and after f1 and f2 bosses

[night garnet]

so a17 is one and a18 is three?

[desert scarab]

a16 is one

[hybrid mantle]

yep

[desert scarab]

a17 is chronology

[hybrid mantle]

a17 is same as 16 having one curse, but has chrono

[night garnet]

interesting ok

what would a good ascension level be like high a zenith enjoyers

just out of curiosity

[sturdy brook]

are we indigo

[night garnet]

isnt this deadass my f3 room

except like better

that was the first room i made before realizing pit rooms fucking suck

[past kraken]

either 15 or 17

not much of a difference except the latter has you cope with 1 curse for more loot

1 is usually manageable tho u do restart a bit more

[night garnet]

i meant like if u could make one

[past kraken]

wdym

oh

i mean same thing a15 did essentially

more boss attacks and maybe buff hp for good measure cause people skip everything nowadays

or surely floor 4..

idk i dont think zenith really needs to be extended over and over again, rather just clean up the existing mess with bad trees/curse design and if there really needs to be new roguelike content it should be a new dungeon

there is only so much you can do to keep a single content alive and a18 is already stretching the idea limit

[night garnet]

fairs

[past kraken]

zenith already did amazing and the amount of complaints about it really just reflects the size of the community it managed to build up

[modern brook]

Even those i run a17 for more loot, i just like a15 more
A17 is like anoying
I think curse is fine but make it must pick isn't fun, the idea of picking curse but give you reward is cool
Must pick curse but half of it is unplayable 😭

Maybe more cuz i only pick few curse and for a18 i don't even pick curse after beat boss if i have enough ability
Have 3 active is easier to play than 3 curse :))

[earnest jolt]

^

half curses are free and the other half is literally hell

we have nothing in between

[past kraken]

anchoring is the funniest example of that

it either disables you completely or does not affect the gameplay whatsoever

[desert scarab]

i think it no longer is offered if you have swap ability

[earnest jolt]

this would not help until a18

since curses are chosen before room 0 abilities

[desert scarab]

ik im just saying that the no affect part of what voidrim said doesn't exist for 6months

[earnest jolt]

[hidden drift]

gamble for mystery box 🤯

[hybrid mantle]

mbox + abnorm a18 😁

[broken igloo]

Just the fact that 25% of curses make the game borderless unplayable kills a18

envy or example

Or sobriety

Or lust

Like who made envy bro??

[hybrid mantle]

chaos and ruin cooked too

[broken igloo]

rn the only played ascensions are either a15 if ur not feeling curses or a17 if ure in a good mood to put up with a curse

Or yea ruin

[hybrid mantle]

and redundancy

[broken igloo]

Theres jsut too many bro

More than half

Like what do u mean theres a curse that literally renders all the cd on my charm useless

And another that renders upgrade rooms useless

??

[hidden drift]

pride

[broken igloo]

Pride bro ohmygod

Pride is deadass the worst

[hybrid mantle]

only ones anyone picks are arachnophobia, dependency, greed, pessi, death

impatience and obscurity are annoying but can be wtv

[hidden drift]

even the 7 trees is a debuff not a speciality

[hybrid mantle]

anchoring just ends u if u have any useful swap abi charmed

like i think the only trees that get away with anchoring are shadow and maybe steel

[broken igloo]

Frost anchoring

Son 😭

[hybrid mantle]

same w wind

[hidden drift]

apple curse i forgot the name is the best to me i play around abnormalty + it and gets more passives in f2 f3

[modern brook]

I love revert curse when i still have my frost charm

[strange kernel]

Wdym envy is peak 😭

[broken igloo]

?!

[strange kernel]

( quote : only if you are the type of person who plays treasure tree

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349676048639594559/1448654122126413965/attachment.gif

[tepid stream]

mona you dont onetrick shadow abymore you can take envy

[broken igloo]

true. . . .

[sudden bramble]

Idk I don't know what yours looks like

[sweet dome]

@strange kernel VERY barebones early development stage

[strange kernel]

🤔

[sweet dome]

lava

[strange kernel]

are u planning to make all orange glass lava tho

if yes thats uurik room

[modern brook]

This give me that one dd room vibe

[strange kernel]

This does reminds me of

The f3 dd room

[sweet dome]

yeah

LOL

[strange kernel]

Same layout

[sweet dome]

no idea, i avoid DD like the plague

[strange kernel]

Remove the one at the most bottom section

[modern brook]

Same but i need my trophy collection so :3

[sudden bramble]

ultrakill

[strange kernel]

I haven’t played the peak

[strange kernel]

A : remove the most bottom lava or make it like 1 block wide ( unless it’s only 1 block deep
B : widen the hanging bridge segment
C : create a broken bridge at the stair to allow player to firstly do the top section

@sweet dome I’m kinda high rn ( consider it’s like 2 am for me ) idk if these are fine thought or no

[sweet dome]

every lava thing is just 1 block deep

[strange kernel]

Looks fine then ig

Cause iirc some lava in f2 are way more than 1 block

🥀

[sweet dome]

also yeah the hanging bridge segment is literally untouched rn

you can see it's literally wool placeholder LOL

[strange kernel]

3-5 blocks thick should be fine

Idk

[strange kernel]

@lucid pecan you here ?

Well ig he’s dead rn

[tall barn]

make the spike fall from sky 🗣️

[sweet dome]

what you are telling me is that i should make the player enter from below and go up instead

so that mobs fall on top of them instead of the player having an advantageous position above them

[hybrid mantle]

if u can make the hanging mid bit 3 deep with bedrock in the middle i think it'd be nice cause otherwise its kinda cooked

since i assume theres gonna be an elite spawner up there

[desert scarab]

spawn player in the middle so that they will die either by falling into mobs or mobs falling to them

[sweet dome]

too predictable

lmao

[hybrid mantle]

treasure score spawner(s) would be nice but ofc that depends on how the difficulty of the room changes going forward

mostly cause i feel like apart from this room theres like no rooms with those

side tangent this room imo is one of the best instances of you having to manage cooldowns and pace well while keeping the room and its encounters fun

• the moth spawner at the bottom triggers right as you reach the other elite spawner on the stairs up, essentially forcing ur team to split up in order to not get cooked by a persistent moth that may go into lava
• small gaps allowing you to fall through and burn, but not overrun with lava on the actual path
• general structure remains intact regardless of pernicious/albert/twisted
• twisteds are generally manageable even in precarious situations, but you cant let them live for too long without risking having to take a fight above lava
• treasure score spawners incentivize you to take harder encounters, but there is generally an escape route available due to the mostly linear layout

[jolly lake]

Big fan of gandalf's demise

[sweet dome]

wtf is gandalfs demise

[hybrid mantle]

is that the actual name 😭

[jolly lake]

yeah I based that room off of Durin's bridge in Kazaddum (lotr, where gandalf dies)

ie: Gandalf's Demise

[hybrid mantle]

then theres rooms like this where i feel the ss speaks for itself

cool in concept but horrid in actual gameplay

especially cause if you do fall into the water theres really no way to recover besides ire or trident

[sweet dome]

what room

LOL

[hybrid mantle]

its the one with 2 floors, trapdoors all around and a bubble column to get to the top

[jolly lake]

idk what to do for that room

[hybrid mantle]

the pig spawner on the ground floor triggering almost right as you enter the room is unnecessary i feel, especially since if you actually want to get the spawner you'd end up triggering the moth spawner above it which can keep the room difficult but not where ur getting jumped frame 1

[sweet dome]

no ik it's just funny that the room is just

gone

there's no room

[hybrid mantle]

true ...

[hybrid mantle]

additionally there should be a decently safe way to actually recover from the water without having to ire or trident (if there is a way idt ive ever seen it, probably cause the rooms always half broken )

like if ur not a ranged/caster class its just a death sentence in the water

as for the actual room breaking apart often, frankly idk how to fix that either

cause its a mix of embers, pernicious, twisteds, and colossals all chipping away

its rarely as exaggerated as in the screenshot but its still up there

[modern brook]

I find that room isn't that anoying cuz caster radius already clear whole room in one combo

[hybrid mantle]

for me its always been a case where if almost my whole team has abils then its manageable, otherwise the room disintegrates just cause of how fast the encounters stack especially on the right side

which doesnt make for a particularly fun experience

also this room just needs to be eviscerated

[gusty rampart]

The builder did not intend for that much tnt to spawn LOL

But it was never fixed

[hybrid mantle]

gg.

[gusty rampart]

I think it’s a really solid room otherwise it’s fun to clear and has cool traps

@stark anchor good job vinnynya

[hybrid mantle]

tnt aside, i dont particularly like it just because of how easy it is for the room to get blocked

like on multiple instances ive had mobs that are over at the venus spawn on the right path blocking

why??

idk what it is about this room that makes zenith anti lr have a field day but yeah

[gusty rampart]

I think it’s cuz there’s a couple spawners that are below the door

[tepid stream]

@gusty rampart why are you diecy

you were diecz earlier

[gusty rampart]

Why are you inferior

[tepid stream]

are you doing 1 letter a month

[hybrid mantle]

in all the times ive been in that room those spawners have been cleared

[tepid stream]

ive always been inferiordrag

thats js how it is

[hybrid mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462803475829231840/1464006396118040752/tom-holland-tom-hollond-looking-on-phone.gif

[gusty rampart]

why are you inferior as a person though

[hybrid mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165680475235418142/1466828022899540197/caption.gif

[tepid stream]

theres like a pocket right under the stairs to the door and the mobs js end up gathering there

[hybrid mantle]

shit like this is why

[tepid stream]

thjs one lowkey not even my fault

[gusty rampart]

Also nah it’s cuz diec_ got censored for having die in it for some reason

So adding a why makes it pronounced like

Dicey

[tepid stream]

what am I supposed to du about jmmort mobs

what happened to diecz

[gusty rampart]

Get superior bro

[gusty rampart]

Dumb pun

[hybrid mantle]

and the pocket has a tnt spawner right above it which turns that entire side into bedrock/pit into the river

[gusty rampart]

😭

[tepid stream]

can you go diecx next month

[gusty rampart]

Yeah

[hybrid mantle]

also god forbid a twist spawns in that room because they absolutely LOVE going for a swim

[tepid stream]

and then diecw after

[gusty rampart]

That’s true with a lot of rooms that have a lower ledge

[hybrid mantle]

we once had three twists spawn almost back to back to back in that room and it was beyond cancerous

[tepid stream]

lowk we should give twists like

yk how theres the icewalker mob in lg

elite

[hybrid mantle]

yeah but the river just exaggerates the issue with it

[tepid stream]

like right as you enter p2

we should give them that

[hybrid mantle]

again cool design in concept but gameplay sucks

[tepid stream]

and also obsidian for lava

[hybrid mantle]

true ..

firm aint enough

[tepid stream]

actually that'd suck what if a twist walks over me and now im trapped by obsidian in lava

[hybrid mantle]

Only InferiorDrag

[tepid stream]

so how did you get inside my cryoboz

[hybrid mantle]

genuinely impressive u managed to suffocate to cryobox

first and last person to do so

another commonly disliked room for a few main reasons

• the evoker spawner in the middle triggers almost right at the edge of the outermost ring
• the evoker itself loves to take a dive into the water, essentially forcing you to follow if you dont want to be constantly harassed, although in doing so you put yourself into a very precarious position of creepers falling onto your head with scarce ways to exit
• the sculk + high shield spawner is just unnecessary man
• abundance of creeper and reeler spawns that completely kill your pace unless you have 100% kbr atleast, accompanied by spawners on the inner rings triggering if you so much as breathe a little too close from the outer ring
• the water section itself; with high legionary and chivalrous especially, mobs almost instantly fall down as they spawn and if u happen to fall down with them, exiting is nigh impossible without movement abilities (granted this might mainly apply to higher asc cause more legionary)

[gusty rampart]

Yeah this is really good 😭 😭

If anything comes out of this thread

[hybrid mantle]

the last point is both a pro and a con, i definitely understand and appreciate the difficulty of avoiding taking a swim, but almost no chance for recovery definitely kills any fun

[gusty rampart]

I hope it’s that a bubble elevator is changed here

Or the water level gets raised

Did the other f2 uurik one get talked about like this? I might just pin those since those are the changes I think the most people want

[gusty rampart]

And this is like a great summary I think

[dusk umbra]

the evil hog says you could modify the bedrocking to always have a path up even when the ground gets eaten by pern

[hybrid mantle]

this one right

[gusty rampart]

Yah

[hybrid mantle]

i think there was a prior conversation about it, although i cant attest to the depth

didnt read through it myself

[gusty rampart]

Ok I’ve read through for any other well formatted things to pin like this and I think this might be the only one 😭

[hybrid mantle]

gg

[visual cedar]

finally some real feedback

[sudden bramble]

what's a sculk spawner

[visual cedar]

theres sculk veins on the spawner

[sudden bramble]

spawns sculk when broken?

[hybrid mantle]

its sculk and veins around the spawner

[sudden bramble]

oh
... is that just visual? or like, "technically +1 shield"

[hybrid mantle]

that spread onto the spawner itself

[sweet dome]

good feedback? in my "shitting on rooms" chat? impossible

[hybrid mantle]

you break the vein to get to the spawner, it regenerates instantly rinse and repeat 10 times

plus shield

[sudden bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-try-not-to-laugh-speed-dont-laugh-gif-9393628858940137350

[gusty rampart]

LOL WAIT THERES A FIRE UURIK MEME

Does this get a pin 😭

[hybrid mantle]

he made a room so ass

[gusty rampart]

If nothing else comes of this thread at least we got an awesome freaking image

[visual cedar]

I think for the f3 room I'd like the reelers to be completely trimmed

[gusty rampart]

If you make an awesomely formatted feedback post like your other one I’ll pin it too

Ping me if it happens

[hybrid mantle]

closest is this in case anyone wants to look at what people see in rooms that they enjoy while keeping it challenging

but yeah ill probably make more for other rooms

[gusty rampart]

I saw that too but it looked just like praise (which is good) but it’s a feedback thread

[hybrid mantle]

fair enough

[jolly lake]

yeah this is one of the rooms that didn't quite go through the same qa as the others and has been on the list for a while

[jolly lake]

thats what I thought but I could hear nicknon reminding me in my head thats a bad solution

[burnt iron]

the reelers are definitely annoying but i never thought this room was too bad

figured the evoker spawning early was intentional and something to play around and the only part of it that really annoyed me was the sculk over the evoker spawner

[hybrid mantle]

its faults really start to show when delve points have racked up

and god forbid you dont have a large aoe caster

[dusk umbra]

a bad solution is still more of a solution than no solution

[hybrid mantle]

another room that has been mentioned like 50 times, but here are the main flaws concisely

• pernicious absolutely destroys any way to go up
• theres a spawner next to the base of both the staircases, and if an albert spawns it not only destroys the staircase but also most of the floor above due to how compact the path is
• some spawners tend to trigger easily through walls especially if you're on the ground floor, leading to twisteds sometimes spawning either on the opposite side of a wall you have to wrap around the entire room to get to, or a floor above where its free to destroy the terrain while trying to pathfind to a player
• high density closed space encounters such as the middle floor with the dining table tend to easily derail the entire room due to combinations of all the reasons above

[sweet dome]

who made that room?

[zinc canyon]

amecyan

qwanton and redandblueknight

good thing my rooms don't even get any review and I guess that means it's doing smooth sailing

sometimes bland is better than gimicky

[past kraken]

gimmicks are a gamble

[willow mist]

this room has some water at the front right? if shit gets fucked and ur last you can just bypass the room by riptiding out and mining to tbe end, which i have mixed feelings about and feel is not intended

basically: please bedrock portions which are key to actually getting out of the room so we don't have to do some scuffed escaping through water that happens to be there and some digging

[hidden drift]

old f2 rooms: tunnels, ant nest, abandoned building
new f2 rooms: we gonna put lava there there there oh and don’t forget there

[stoic wing]

unrelated to the other complaints

It would be cool to see more variety of environmental hazards. 80% of traps are lava pits or tnt. Imo cobwebs can be way more dangerous and well designed long-fall pits, where mobs can still attack you, are more interesting. Dripstone is usually too punishing but would be different

Im thinking of

The f3 the planet/black hole pit (the 2 fall pits inside the black hole with the vorpal)
The f3 downwards spiral room (the fall pit with a black glass floor below the final platform)
The f3 circle room with the middle evoker + fall pits
Chokepoints with pits on the sides/middle
The f1 room with the concrete powder cobweb fall trap halfway through
The f1 room with the carpet cobweb fall trap at the very end
The f2 rooms with spider-web cobwebs in midair
Any f2 decorative cobweb if you get knocked into it
Theres plenty of rooms with large falls but they are rarely mob-dense/compacted enough to be dangerous (e.g, f3 epic room falls). And I think cobwebs would be very useful if placed more aggressively near walking paths (not just in fall traps or as decoration)

[dusk umbra]

Monkey's paw curls, added void to F2

[wide helm]

Another for the collection

[south apex]

im late and not sure if anyone has said this but forcing people to use riptide to recover (or have skyhook) is extremely lame and further reduces the accessibility of cz

not to mention if you fall down you probably cant even riptide back up anyways because 1000 mobs fell down to chase you and youre gonna bunp into them

the f3 solar system spiral elite room also is annoying for a similar reason but that room doesnt even offer a solution to get back up at all which is egregious

i have a lot of respect for the rooms that have bubble elevators to get you out of bad spots like that f3 elite room that has the gravel wall with seekers behind it or the f2 elite room with a big glass web/moth at the bottom

[gusty rampart]

W opinion but noob speaker

[south apex]

im deploying a stupid gif on you

[gusty rampart]

LOL

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-booty-shake-glorp-throwing-it-back-glorp-twerk-gif-15728514058189514652

[mighty flint]

what am i reading

[gusty rampart]

What are you reading

[mighty flint]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-kirk-tony-stark-avengers-kirkified-gif-4618820868378725995

[past kraken]

Didn't know you could read

[south apex]

sometimes rooms suck no matter how fast youre going

🥀

a bad room is a bad room

also please dont tell me you exclusively play solo and thats why these rooms are like this man

🥀

the game is literally designed to be played in a party

[visual cedar]

I do play in groups but not that often

[gusty rampart]

Too rude I think

[south apex]

i mean that as a general statement

like the f2 elite room that automatically explodes from pern

because all the floors are thin wood slabs

[visual cedar]

can we just like delete pern

worst mod known to man

[south apex]

agree

[alpine zephyr]

Colossal:

[south apex]

that too

i mean sometimes its cool

but too many rooms get blown to shreds by terrain destruction

[alpine zephyr]

It would be nice if zenith had less absolute hyperfast chaos maybe

[south apex]

i feel like thats just a natural product of people optimizing the dungeon

at some point once you have hundreds or thousands of clears you start looking to save time and be optimal

[alpine zephyr]

It is yeah

[south apex]

which is fun in and of itself

it was fun that one night were tormenteds got added to cz on accident

the pace slowed down which was refreshing

and suddenly stuff like cover and escape routes were important

[tepid stream]

for uno floor

[south apex]

[dusk umbra]

Maybe it is time

[sleek musk]

if you make shit slower people will complain, if you make it harder to go faster people will complain

they should make a cz room that teleports you to the exit door pre-completed

[modern brook]

There is big ass liner f3 room but i see no one complain even those it took longer to clear than uurik f3 spiral room

The problem is it is anoying, not take long time

[gusty rampart]

this one is less easily actionable i think

having stairs and a cramped indoor room like this is just kinda cookied

[south apex]

ye i think that one fundamentally is kinda cooked with pern existing unfortunately

at best maybe they could cut the stairs for levitation pads or something

but it would be pretty different

[pearl lion]

tormenteds dont particularly help with room design in particular

rooms often being so small and having minimum bedrocking is the I feel is the main reason why we cannot have torms in cz permanently. things like that will happen to consistently.

that room in general doesent really have any issues I feel like though. (if you can even recognize it, the room is the pit room with leaves and 2 moths at the bottom). But of course adding a nuclear bomb changes that real quick

I know people want torms but room design in particular is a big reason as to why its a bad idea to add them without changing things first, so I figured it was worth mentioning

[nova vine]

i remember that was not long after tormented released

they were so hard to kill and in most situations you couldn't even revive people from them

anyway i think torment can be fine if we balance them properly

bug day torment was like 4000+hp with 70% damage reduction

every torment is equal to a f1 boss and it spawns twice per room in a17 😭

i still passed one cz that day carried by NiamN and Oracore owo

[gusty rampart]

i was in class when it happened but i saw clips afterwards lol

looks pretty crazy

[sturdy brook]

more water bubble column to bedrock platforms (near door) would be good as theres only 1 in that room @jolly lake

[tepid stream]

is there a way to make it so only player placed blocks get exploded by pern

[hidden drift]

That would instead make pern so free i fear

[tepid stream]

make it only active in some rooms

[hidden drift]

[tepid stream]

some rooms need it so bad

[modern brook]

Or make mobs break it slower

[south apex]

oh ye i agree

it was a fun small thing

i don't think it would've been sustainable

[modern star]

I wonder if it would be sustainable if you had to roll for a chance to brick your run with some huge debuff before every floor

[half fox]

when are we gonna do another apoc maxxing run and 1shot torm nono 🥺

[south apex]

[lucid pecan]

just tcloud!