Maybe but just allowing you to tune down spawn rates kind of half fixes for the side that doesn't like it because it's still variable depending on the content and you could still get kinda unlucky (I don't really know how Twisted spawning really works though)
#Enhanced Twisteds Thread
quiet wharf
main hinge
Everytime a spawner spawns mobs it tries to roll
With a cap/counter system to force a twisted is my understanding
quiet wharf
I had like two moments where two spawned and the group was together
I think once because a tempest jumped into the void so it tried to respawn it
but the other time we just got unlucky and a Vanguard and Abomination spawned at the same time
I'm surprised multiple are intended to spawn because it feels like they are really supposed to be fought individually
besides like punishing splitting up
main hinge
I’d imagine theyre supposed to be fought individually
quiet wharf
Which I yelled at my group for but splitting up didn't actually spawn double twisteds for us
main hinge
It’s not a hard thing
And part of it is just that you’re forced to run twisted 10 so the rates are high making doubles not uncommon even in regular play
quiet wharf
It's very hard for a certain guild member for some reason
main hinge
but also sections of maps with lots of spawners like buildings are pretty bad
quiet wharf
but even when we were together it was very annoying
main hinge
It’s not a hard thing
Not a hard thing as in “this isn’t explicitly set to do this for this reason”
It exists to dissuade that behavior
that doesnt mean it still cant happen anyway
Or that it will definitely happen if u split up
quiet wharf
Well alright I guess
Twisted Soothsayer was omega torture I am not sure how to deal with it
main hinge
I believe the other suggestion being considered is the cap scales with playercount
quiet wharf
I think I actually know what it does but it just felt awful to fight
It's kinda mainly just that the trees take up so much space and in a small space they become horrid
main hinge
but that also means you’re shit out of luck if u have enough players to raise the twisted cap, so i still prefer this happen too
quiet wharf
I think the dryads spawn the trees...?
main hinge
The minions do most of the stuff yes
quiet wharf
The minions were quite annoying
quiet wharf
The weird flying totems are alright but the dryads had like 540 hp and they kept healing and had DR
main hinge
i hate the dryads yeah
quiet wharf
I think my group was not fighting it properly but the trees still feel awful in a small space
main hinge
I have no idea what causes the DR still
quiet wharf
I heard twisteds and their minions just get DR in multiplayer but the soothsayer and its minions felt extra tanky
quiet wharf
I think the trees are supposed to encourage moving far away when they happen but it seems like the tree attack targets multiple people at once so everybody(?) is forced to just run to not have the trees spawn in an obnoxious spot which is like impossible in a small space
quiet wharf
Well yes most bosses get DR in multi
I know but I don't think Twisted previously did this so
Also the Hexbreaker would consistently just stand in Earthen Tremor which was infuriating
It doesn't seem very hard outside of the fact that it will just stand in Earthen Tremor and become untouchable
I don't know if Decaying Totem even works I kinda stood in it for like 3s and it just wasn't doing anything
Also Twisted Vanguard is literally cheating why does he get GB too
Oh yeah a Primordialist spawned Once
That one seems alright
I was getting a little bit trolled by the ice elemental but I was also throwing on melee because I hadn't played in a bit
buoyant sonnet
It doesn't seem very hard outside of the fact that it will just stand in Earthen...
the hex bombs are oneshots in r1 with 55 magic ehp
main hinge
Maybe I didn't get hit by them I do not recall taking very much damage in R3
They hurt a lot more in r1
drowsy hatch
new twisteds definitely werent tested with the dungeon spawner layouts in mind
i was dodging one and then a second one spawned from somewhere i cant even see
👍
hollow flame
can we have that wall instakill all and every entity
raven fern
imo, having multiple twisted in multiplayer is fun as fuck
the issue is when playing solo
limpid zephyr
maybe in multiplayer
limpid zephyr
that works tbh
spawnrate is kinda too much still and some twisteds you just... die
raven fern
cos this shit was fun asf
limpid zephyr
watchman has no right being this oppressive with base spec being this mid😭
raven fern
watchman has no right being this oppressive with base spec being this mid😭
watchman is calm imo
eh prolly not for melee tho
hollow flame
aside from shadestepper being invincible for 90% of the time, i think this is a fair delve mod
raven fern
also did you know that of you have absorption and max hp, you can tank planetary impact and iron maiden
hollow flame
yeah but why would you
raven fern
the advantages of having a cleansing totem sooth on your team
hollow flame
wait question: did the abilities you put as a list official or just something you made up
raven fern
wait question: did the abilities you put as a list official or just something yo...
they are mostly official
the names are somewhat correct
limpid zephyr
maybe in r2 its calmer or smth
hollow flame
k
raven fern
like i know what some abilities do properly cos i was in vc with mscr on releasr
doing the least chaotic forum
we thought 3 people would be enough for a 22pt
we needed 7
hollow flame
ok cuz i wanna make some comments on some of them (pulling up the note i made please hold up a second)
limpid zephyr
shadestepper is idk i simply dont get what hes doing yet i think
aside from becoming invisible
raven fern
shadestepper is idk i simply dont get what hes doing yet i think
he teleports behind the player with the lowest flat hp
backstab does 3 separate instances of damage
i think the raw damage is like 25+20+8 or smth
final slash is aoe
the trickshades when killed just launch directly at your face
limpid zephyr
ok thats why volleying instakilled me
raven fern
also mscr said multiple times in vc that next update some are going to be anti scout
and by that i mean the twisteds will now target the scout if you are in a group 
limpid zephyr
some of them are already anti everything lol
raven fern
i have also heard about some devious attacks as well but i wont say em here
limpid zephyr
I died in chall blue less than in 12pt blue with twisted 2
raven fern
the tempest is getting nerfed next update tho
limpid zephyr
and i did NOT do earth branch yet
raven fern
so enjoy it while you can
raven fern
and i did NOT do earth branch yet
earth is always chaos
me thinking its gonna be fine
limpid zephyr
aside from novelty and some more fair twisteds i was not enjoying that
raven fern
and then it becomes exactly the same one that was in swouts cooler title 5
limpid zephyr
especially water castle
raven fern
that one was quite fun
raven fern
especially water castle
water castle spawned two deadeyes a bishop and a gravecaller on us
hollow flame
Ok so some details i found while fight them myself:
abomination (harb): the esoteric for these guys explode upon 0 hp unlike the outcast esoteric
watchman (ranger): they also summon an invis turret (the only part that's not invis is crossbow so i get why you missed it), it's just an invis illagert with same dmg as watchman
moonweaver (arcanist): wasnt sure what lunar blade is, like how close do i have to be?
artificer (apoth): not unique to apoth but they threw pots 2x as often compared to harb
spirit caller (soothsayer): they also summon a totem which heals all mob inside the radius by a %, not sure what the dryad is suposed to be but maybe you mean the baby zombies that dash at you?
deadeye (hunter): the thing you're referring to sounds like what i call airstrike, they have a different attack where they shoot 3 linear shots indicated by smoke particles
gleaming bronze
you often fight more twisteds then elites 
raven fern
Ok so some details i found while fight them myself:
abomination (harb): the esot...
yeah its called predator missile i need to update that
mostly cos i wrote the thing when
i had no references to the twisteds the next day
limpid zephyr
main complaints i think is spawnrate, 8pts is not worth that, tempest and both scouts, and three twisteds at once in span of 6s
raven fern
I think the thing mscr said about that is because adding more delve points would make the twisteds have more hp and damage
because they themselves are meant to delve scale
hollow flame
interesting
limpid zephyr
they do scale
limpid zephyr
i kinda dont know whats the reason to pick them when novelty wears off tho
hollow flame
or legion 5
limpid zephyr
psure the spawn rate is just bad because uh
3 twisteds in 6s in no legionary blue
raven fern
i kinda dont know whats the reason to pick them when novelty wears off tho
its fun
its also funny in multiplayer when you just spawn like 3 twisteds in to troll people
hollow flame
id still pick it
limpid zephyr
big part of why its fun is that its new i think
raven fern
it definitely is a negative anvil thing tho
im basically trying to learn the twisteds rn so i can slap them in an 88pt cyan
hollow flame
idk mech, im doing 12pt solo wth t2 l4 nad it's working out fine
raven fern
idk mech, im doing 12pt solo wth t2 l4 nad it's working out fine
negative anvil with more points
solo is kinda calm
raven fern
aside from when you are playing magenta and theres two primordialists and a moonweaver
limpid zephyr
well then if people like it what can i say
i personally think 8pts delve mod shouldnt make you die more than 50pts chall
seems i am outmatched on that
hollow flame
that's because you dont fully know what they do
limpid zephyr
that is a part yes
raven fern
ive mostly been running it on either multiplayer 25pt dungeons or 68pt overworld pois
hollow flame
like im writing out the wiki page for twisted as im playing and im already able to consistely kill all the ones ive already fought
raven fern
yeah
i always let the abomination amalgam blow up icl
its funny
after that the fight is kinda easy
raven fern
tene basically has cross map range for one of its attacks
hollow flame
havent fought the warlocks and hiero yet but so far my ranking is alch < mage < pala < scout <= shaman < tempest < shade
raven fern
its like the opposite of crusader javelins
raven fern
kinda pain on melee but not that bad
its funny when you have multiple people so he spams luminous infusion
im fairly certain that the amount of hits on javelins contributes to the speed he uses infusion but im not entirely sure
hollow flame
could be possible, i feel like moonweaver also used something that resembles sage insight (and a funny sound effect)
raven fern
could be possible, i feel like moonweaver also used something that resembles sag...
it does
it heals the moonweaver
hollow flame
not the Ditortion?
main hinge
We did a blue that was 50% or so moonweavers and I’m not sure i remember ever seeing a 2nd healing mechanic
raven fern
We did a blue that was 50% or so moonweavers and I’m not sure i remember ever se...
its either a heal or a cooldown reset
it wouldnt surprise me if it was a cd reset
hollow flame
i think it's a cd reset
marble quiver
i think yall are schizoposting
hollow flame
WHAT
Wait does omenspeaker have interconnected havoc cuz i dont see it on my omenspeaker cli[
marble quiver
no
raven fern
am i really just schizoing 💀
hollow flame
you were schizoing
i mean granted there's like 2e7 particles for each twisted so i dont blame you
raven fern
i mean granted there's like 2e7 particles for each twisted so i dont blame you
and i play on uhhh 200% particles so
hollow flame
ok then you have 2e9 particles amazing
raven fern
🔥
hollow flame
Also what's that skill called where they shoot like a bolt and it debuffs a player
mscr
raven fern
thats uhh
hollow flame
i know you mech named it arcanic missle
marble quiver
debilitating bolt
hollow flame
neat
raven fern
okie ill update that
hollow flame
p sure it doesnt go though blocks tho
unless they changed it from occultist one but i doubt theyll do that
hollow flame
yeah known issue
hollow flame
same for a lot of other "summons shit" mobs
marble quiver
<@474899409541529600> Is luminous infusion economy a thing for crusader
kind of?
raven fern
like does it charge up stacks with other hits
raven fern
cos when im playing with groups it sort of spams is
raven fern
it solely depends how fast its dying
ah
hollow flame
bruh we were both schizoing on the sage insight and LI
raven fern
🔥
main hinge
so LI is pseudo reflection?
hollow flame
time to remove them from wiki
raven fern
what do the tricky bombs do for shade
marble quiver
yes its pseudo reflection as a “get off me” type deal
marble quiver
what do the tricky bombs do for shade
35% slow and weaken
its in tablist whenever you look
hollow flame
also the "target scout" should also include shaman and alch
raven fern
shaman gonna get voodoo dolls slapped on totems
hollow flame
honestly imo it should be alch > scout > shaman in terms of target priority because of 2 reasons
- alch has UA escape & really good for a hit & run type of situation
- shaman deals 0 dmg
limpid zephyr
shaman deals 0 dmg is not true
hollow flame
well it's less than alch
that's all i know
plus you need to move the totem to the location of the mob
raven fern
harb already gets targeted somewhat
cos you have less flat hp if you are running skullcap anyway
raven fern
and poise kinda just gets fucked over by shade
hollow flame
im talking from solo perspective so idk mech can give multiplayer inputs
*mech and fennec
raven fern
mfw im doing tolum with everyone and the shade targets specifically me because i have 30% less hp 🔥
hollow flame
14 flat hp gg
limpid zephyr
i only tested in solo
hollow flame
wait does bishop (hiero) does constant heals?
limpid zephyr
playing with it a bit more and its not as bad now but there is so much ways terrain can fuck you over
raven fern
im pretty sure mscr also made it so that the bossbar is hidden when its in vanish
marble quiver
14 flat hp gg
yeah in the purple i was in earlier the shadestepper only targeted me since my poise assassin build has 14hp
so i could expect it every time
limpid zephyr
both rogues and scouts are still kinda squidiculous imo
hollow flame
gg
raven fern
both rogues and scouts are still kinda squidiculous imo
the devious fox update next week
hollow flame
also what' the hp threshold for ascension on bishiop, 33%?
marble quiver
about there yeah
raven fern
sometimes it casts around there amd then heals
hollow flame
yeah 1/3 sounds reasonable (and matches my recording)
raven fern
thats why you can see one at 50% in some peoples recordings
raven fern
yeah 1/3 sounds reasonable (and matches my recording)
least fucked forum (this image will never not be funny)
at least for me
im pretty sure it was like the first twisted combo we got as well
This was back when challenge taunted you for 2s instead of 1 tick as well lol
limpid zephyr
least fucked forum (this image will never not be funny)
i have one funnier but its a clip
hollow flame
you should post the full clip on wiki and ruin your upload speed for the next 10 hours
*youtube
raven fern
you should post the full clip on wiki and ruin your upload speed for the next 10...
lol
limpid zephyr
raven fern
fire
granite bear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMEuSVRM3WM
i was in a 25pt magenta and theres like 5 twisted at the middle 😭
2 vanguard fov lock
😭
raven fern
i was in a 25pt magenta and theres like 5 twisted at the middle 😭
I did a solo 18pt magenta and like i jump down for my grave and theres suddenly 2 primordials and a moonweaver
limpid zephyr
2 vanguard fov lock
so you can do nothing before crossing the road
granite bear
@marble quiver do u know the pull range of twisted reaper jchain
marble quiver
its pretty long
raven fern
<@474899409541529600> do u know the pull range of twisted reaper jchain
long but it can be blocked with los
granite bear
long but it can be blocked with los
im mid air
marble quiver
its something like 32 or 48
granite bear
😭
marble quiver
one of those numbers
raven fern
im mid air
I had a prosecutor spawn in magenta water section LOL
raven fern
its something like 32 or 48
Is shade line of sight still 200 blocks
granite bear
I had a prosecutor spawn in magenta water section LOL
ngl
raven fern
also what even is the tempest detection range lol
granite bear
we need twisted for water
raven fern
yeah
main hinge
do dummies of twisted mobs exist
limpid zephyr
also what even is the tempest detection range lol
three ring shards
main hinge
not the special ones, the default twisteds
marble quiver
Is shade line of sight still 200 blocks
all of them have 200
raven fern
three ring shards
i wonder if you can kill people with planetary impact in towns
marble quiver
it just comes standard
granite bear
can we have smth like leviathan of calamity or leviathan of demise
main hinge
i wonder if you can kill people with planetary impact in towns
dont u have resistance 5 in towns
raven fern
also @marble quiver You should male planetary impact and iron maiden 2x 100% max hp damage
hollow flame
can we have smth like leviathan of calamity or leviathan of demise
give it uhhhhh
raven fern
dont u have resistance 5 in towns
it does 100% true damage
but you can technically tank it with absorption hearts
perks of having a cleansing totem sooth in your team
hollow flame
air support, rending razor, alch pot (apoth). alchemical artillery, shiel wall, rampage, ascension, luminous, planet impact, pris shield, spirit connection, ewrath, and some random rogue abils
oh btw the apoth alch pot throws 2x as fast and deals i think 15 magic dmg
raven fern
air support, rending razor, alch pot (apoth). alchemical artillery, shiel wall, ...
leviathan of terror (just a stack of all 16 specs with no modifications. Slap them all on an invincible bee
🔥 ✍️
hollow flame
marble quiver
i did make it 200% since for some reason its reduceable by second wind as well
buoyant sonnet
mscr
marble quiver
some person used the wrong stat
buoyant sonnet
can i confirm or deny that repeated spawn instances can spawn Twisteds
raven fern
i did make it 200% since for some reason its reduceable by second wind as well
xakotani was tanking it with sooth
marble quiver
can i confirm or deny that repeated spawn instances can spawn Twisteds
i have no idea bro
the twisted code is esoteric to me
raven fern
and i could tank it as well when standing in his totems
marble quiver
i just made the mobs
buoyant sonnet
guhhhhh
hollow flame
whats the difference between the crusade (pala)'s weapon attack from under vs bishop*s holy ray particles from below in terms o stats
would be funny if crusader's dmg type was melee and bishop was magic
lime acorn
well of course, paladin is a melee spec
marble quiver
@cerulean stirrup I have good news
The incremental HP heal thing probably will be real quite soon
it was not as bad as I first thought to implement
main hinge
Will bosses having effects stick around post mortem get patched
marble quiver
Will bosses having effects stick around post mortem get patched
it depends which ones still exist
i know ive fixed a few
but i don't think i got all of them
"bishop's summon, hexbreaker earthern tremor, pstrike, all of marksmans crossbow summons, paladin's bell, spiritualist dryads,,, prolly more im forgetting"
gonna go through these
but there's probably more that werent listed
raven fern
"bishop's summon, hexbreaker earthern tremor, pstrike, all of marksmans crossbow...
gravecaller haunteds need to die as well
they currently exist still
marble quiver
Gravesoul Haunters have been handled
Let me make a list
- Gravesoul Haunter ✅
- Bishop Summons ✅
- Earthen Tremor ✅
- Predator Barrage ✅
- Watchman Crossbows ✅
- 🔔 ✅
- Dryads ✅
- Hexbombs ✅
- Apex of Alchemy ✅
- Galactic Collider ✅
- Voodoo Dolls ✅
carmine anchor
are the twisted bishop summons' power imbalances reduced
marble quiver
are the twisted bishop summons' power imbalances reduced
I can go look at it
vague summit
i think luminious maybe does too idk for sure
also hexbreaker bombs also
cast after its dead
marble quiver
i think luminious maybe does too idk for sure
it doesnt
buoyant sonnet
- Gravesoul Haunter ✅
- Bishop Summons ✅
- Earthen Tremor ✅
- Predator Barrag...
Apex of Alchemy
did you handle Cube that Blows Up and Planetary Impact too
marble quiver
cube that blows up is intentional to stay
since it only happens once
but thats the only one
the rest are bugs
buoyant sonnet
does reaper summon dudes or was i schizoing
marble quiver
does reaper summon dudes or was i schizoing
he does
buoyant sonnet
do those die when he does
buoyant sonnet
they probably should
fickle temple
does shieldwall deal with any of the non-vanilla projectiles from watchman or the other scout one
marble quiver
no its only vanilla arrows
so it would handle the normal shots and the watchman volley
fickle temple
just curious bc i had no idea how to deal with them as a somewhat laggy solo arcanist
marble quiver
- Gravesoul Haunter ✅
- Bishop Summons ✅
- Earthen Tremor ✅
- Predator Barrag...
Alright, all of these have been changed to actually disappear on mob death, let me know if there's anything else that I missed @vague summit
cerulean stirrup
<@324675731756154882> I have good news
Are you only going with incremental or are we making it like a super lifeline kind of ability?
Either way this is epic thank you
marble quiver
Are you only going with incremental or are we making it like a super lifeline ki...
I went with keeping it on a 20s cooldown and made it have 4 stages
the current hp is split into the 4 stages and if any of them are left it does decreasing amounts of hp
cerulean stirrup
You can buff it’s HP a little as jt might be delve scaling like apex
cerulean stirrup
Cool
marble quiver
i actually had to reduce it because the math does not math i think
10pt should not result in an almost 700 health distortion
cerulean stirrup
If the healing is proportional I wouldn’t reduce it too much
I don’t think it needs a double nerf
wide bramble
i was fighitng the moonweaver
and it died while its glowing slime thingy was alive
afaik its meant to "restore the abomination to its earlier state" (aka full heal)
itd be EXTREMELY funny if it revived if you didnt kill the slime (i didnt kill it on purpose to see whatd happen and it just chained me or something)
marble quiver
It was joked to me by nip nop but also i was heavily advised against it
tardy beacon
- Gravesoul Haunter ✅
- Bishop Summons ✅
- Earthen Tremor ✅
- Predator Barrag...
the shadesteppers' distractions/summons also dont despawn after killing the shadestepper
cerulean stirrup
In fact they can spawn after the shadestepper dies
granite bear
- Gravesoul Haunter ✅
- Bishop Summons ✅
- Earthen Tremor ✅
- Predator Barrag...
what is this list 
quiet wharf
Does anybody else have an issue with the Grasping Claws speed and range on Gravecaller
It felt unavoidable unless you have good space to run around and you had recoil
quiet wharf
The haunted also kinda just sits on the Gravecaller sometimes and it's really annoying
I've felt like a lot of these twisteds are made way too obnoxious to avoid
Like why are so many of their attacks so tight to dodge it feels like there's no lenience
Why does Illuminate omega home on you why can't it just function like Illuminate
sudden sphinx
what is this list <:stare:880591529012518952>
Proof that mscr isn't as evil as I thought (all the changes he made to the new twisted thanks to the community) 
granite bear
Proof that mscr isn't as evil as I thought (all the changes he made to the new t...
did vro experience the un-nerfed ex yellow 💀
sudden sphinx
did vro experience the un-nerfed ex yellow 💀
Nah I wish I did tho
On a scale from 1 to Amped Coven Fortress, how would you rate it lol
sudden sphinx
quiet wharf
The twisted moonweaver is kind of torture to dodge
Even in an open space sometimes it will teleprt away and immedately start casting magma shield or cast frost nova and then magma shield
granite bear
The twisted moonweaver is kind of torture to dodge
try killing a twisted ranger as scout
quiet wharf
I kinda wish the magma shield safe zone was way more lenient because it feels very difficult to reach with just the twisted alone alive
If anything else is alive and near it I don't see it being reasonable
quiet wharf
try killing a twisted ranger as scout
Whenever a twisted tempest would spawn our scout would mald about not being able to hit it
Not really a fan of the moonweaver in general it kinda feels like it has little to do with Arcanist
I guess it casts fast
hazy axle
I guess it casts fast
every twisted casts fast
quiet wharf
but it kinda lacks any representation of omen or sage's insight
It's kinda just a mage with what I assume is Prismatic U
quiet wharf
every twisted casts fast
True
marble quiver
but it kinda lacks any representation of omen or sage's insight
i did try to have a design with sage's insight but it just ended more slop than it is right now
imagine 4 magma shields in a 20 block radius was what the indev version was
that shit was on its way to be a worldboss in a poi
quiet wharf
Well perhaps the magma shields don't need to be a 4 block radius but perhaps
marble quiver
i think i can increase the safezone
quiet wharf
Was it basically just increases cast speed after a while or something
marble quiver
because you have to walk pretty far as is
marble quiver
Was it basically just increases cast speed after a while or something
no it just shat out x extra spells if it hit you with enough of them
which is just not good enemy design
quiet wharf
That is very silly
I was thinking of something like at certain thresholds or after enough time passes or attacks are cast it goes Sage Mode and Sages All Over The Place
and outside of sage mode it isn't super threatening
quiet wharf
I have no idea what prosecutor does I fought it once and I think I died before I got it to even 50% because I backed into spawners and he kept pulling me through walls
marble quiver
the through walls thing is like
quiet wharf
I was thinking of something like at certain thresholds or after enough time pass...
I think if it worked like this spells would kinda have to be changed because it spamming current magma shield doens't sound very fun
marble quiver
a bug
quiet wharf
Yeah
marble quiver
i dont know how exactly it would work i just imagine it would cast spells every 2 pico seconds or something
quiet wharf
Is it a bug as in he just isn't supposed to cast it without line of sight or are you supposed to be able to break the chain if you break line of sight
quiet wharf
Well what if he casts it and you break line of sight
Also is Predator Missiles flying through blocks a bug???
marble quiver
it doesnt fly through blocks it just
has aoe on impact
which i think i might have overcooked
quiet wharf
it doesnt fly through blocks it just
No it
It definitely is
Unless the way it works is weird
I placed a block wall and one of the missiles just. phased through it
I even jumped and placed it because I know the missiels cast from above the twisted
So it can go over the wall if you place it on the ground
(With loom)
and it mostly blocks the missiles but sometimes the missiles just go through the wall it makes no sense
Even if you hide behind like a 2-3 block thick wall sometimes the missiles just ignore blocks
marble quiver
what the hell
is the aoe really that cooked or is it straight up just moving through the blocks
quiet wharf
Vanguard is cool but from my experience his charge aoe is a little annoying on melee he can kinda hit you from behind when he starts charging which is a bit annoying but it's well-telegraphed so perhaps it's fine
quiet wharf
is the aoe really that cooked or is it straight up just moving through the block...
No like I saw the projectile physically go through the blocks
It didn't explode it just went through and hit me
quiet wharf
I'm surprised because it consistently happens when I try to block the deadeye
cerulean stirrup
can corroborate this
wide bramble
Vanguard is cool but from my experience his charge aoe is a little annoying on m...
havent been hit by vanguard charge more than like twice when soloing it as melee
also
is it possible to make some twisted attacks ignore shield hit nullification but decrease the damage
wide bramble
my wshield cannot work for more than 0.5s on any twisted i tried it on
and when it can (like the deadeye) the arrows pierce through it
its very unsatisfying
as far as i know thats how shields usually work in games anyway
its just minecraft has the shield as the most op bullshit
cerulean stirrup
also sometimes vanguards forget they have blockbreak and charge into a random stair for like 10 seconds before the ability cancels
marble quiver
i actually dont know why deadeye arrows pierce?
wide bramble
so monumenta has no choice but to break them often
wide bramble
i think so yeah
marble quiver
it doesnt have a volley, unless you mean the custom split arrow
wide bramble
im not sure
i just remember the arrows piercing the shield when it was fighting me
maybe i mistook some ability for that
anyway general idea for monumenta i think, shields could give damage mitigation instead of blocking it entirely
its probably fine to keep the breaking in general gameplay, but anything that has more than 1 spell (majority of r3 now, new twisteds) make them feel like just straight up stat nerfs in comparison to normal offhands
next time i encounter deadeye ill try to test the piercing thing
marble quiver
im almost sure it's the split arrow thing that breaks your shield anyway
because it doesnt have custom arrows or a volley, and pstrike is just nukes
wide bramble
i dont mean shield breaking
i mean piercing
just like vanilla piercing goes through raised shields
marble quiver
im just lost then because i havent put piercing on anything
quiet wharf
has aoe on impact
Also the aoe on impact is quite silly because it makes you move away from your wall but because predator missile casts from above the twisted if you move too far away from your wall it will start reaching over the wall you place and hit you
So the only realistic way to dodge it really is to either have a really open space and just run as far away as possible and strafe it or conveniently have a wall to hide behind
strange vector
is certain classes almost not being able to deal with these twisteds a concern
quiet wharf
Also is the split arrow supposed to hit you if there's nobody else nearby because apparently I died to Split Arrow somehow and I am doing Constellation Tower solo
hazy axle
is certain classes almost not being able to deal with these twisteds a concern
yes and no imo
its a delve modifier you can opt out of choosing
strange vector
thats not really an excuse
but also i get it
i think they made it sufficiently clear this was made for groups
then again
hazy axle
thats not really an excuse
kinda hard to balance them to be workable with every class
marble quiver
Also the aoe on impact is quite silly because it makes you move away from your w...
i think i will just kill the aoe personally
strange vector
kinda hard to balance them to be workable with every class
eh
limpid zephyr
Delves = supposed multiplayer already
strange vector
if like
marble quiver
it was kind of cool as a concept but it is godawful as i am playing it more
strange vector
hierophant cant take care of them alone that doesnt concern me too much
reaper not being able to feels wrong
limpid zephyr
so twisted 2 is more multiplayer ?
hazy axle
reaper not being able to feels wrong
what
quiet wharf
Twisted 2 definitely feels multiplayer but even then some of the twisteds feel a bit egregious
strange vector
you can run in circles for 4 minutes and kill it slowly
wide bramble
im enjoying fighting lvl 2 twisteds alone
strange vector
that (usually) works
wide bramble
if its a scout i have to deathrun it but its still fun
quiet wharf
have you tried fighting one in unfavorable terrain
mememememe I did I had to fight them in Blue Earth branch at the start it was the least fun I had in the entire dungeon
It was absolutely awful
strange vector
very much terrain based
quiet wharf
Me when I have to fight Crusader in a hallway and it has an attack that is literally hallway denialinator
strange vector
a lot of mobs are just area denial
quiet wharf
We also had to fight Artificer and Soothsayer
quiet wharf
We were stuck on one section for like 20 minutes because three twisteds spawned and took forever to kill
strange vector
maybe ill make a thread
marble quiver
I would like to say that I am not perfect, and a lot of these were made because I thought the concept was cool. I am more than willing to change things or tweak things (Like I did with the Moonweaver's Distortion) to make them more playable
quiet wharf
The soothsayer started spawncamping my teammates I think
strange vector
i did not mean
war crime in an insulting way
it gives off the vibe of being made cause the creator thought they would be sick as fuck
which leads to um
quiet wharf
Well Bishop is by far the coolest
marble quiver
no i mean its right though
strange vector
i think tenebrist and reaper not being able to deal with these well is
quiet wharf
I kinda don't care if it's egregious (imo it's actually fine but poobis thinks it's horrid I think) because the theming is peak and it turns into Essence of Sin which I thought was pretty cool personally
strange vector
probably more of a "we should buff tene/reaper" thing
marble quiver
but there is a boatload of changes coming in the following weeks whenever i have time
quiet wharf
None of the melee classes can deal with them well Frogvis
Though Reaper has never been able to deal with twisteds well has it
strange vector
reaper is the least mobile out of all melee classes
and that really shows
its been fine
but mostly because you can chain them up and killt hem in like 8s
so not really
limpid zephyr
yea i mean im too negative here mayhaps but mod is cool
strange vector
ur just hexfallin it
(killing the boss before it does anything truly threatening)
limpid zephyr
just needs a bit of fixing here and there
marble quiver
It really is not made for solo play, it is certainly "doable" but the set has to be like extremely meta slop
limpid zephyr
well
quiet wharf
In solo and team I kinda just switched to Arcanist because it's way too hard to melee some of these guys
limpid zephyr
then why dont make it go above solo pts cap
wide bramble
It really is not made for solo play, it is certainly "doable" but the set has to...
im doing fun with an un masterworked and probably scuffed guardian set
and yeah the modifier is extremely fun
it makes normal gameplay feel boring
marble quiver
then why dont make it go above solo pts cap
I think that is an intuitive decision the player can make
Like how we make it so that people can enter strikes with one person
limpid zephyr
for fun yea that is a decision
im talking more from standpoint of "worth the trouble" per pt
marble quiver
That's probably fair, but it is kind of dubious to put that much worth on a single modifier
quiet wharf
Making it go above solo pts cap would be maybe the worst thing ever I think
marble quiver
though I get where that comes from
Because then the rest of the dungeon is 
, then dopamine for 5 minutes max then back to 
strange vector
honestly
ive wanted to advocate for reaper/tenebrist buffs for a while
this is kind of just something that pushed me over the fence for that
although
marble quiver
I don't think just buffs will do it because they would just be unhealthy
quiet wharf
Specifically incentivizing one mod to be used in solo by making it go above solo pts cap and the aforementioned mod is specifically not designed for solo would be one of the Monumenta design decisions of all time
limpid zephyr
Making it go above solo pts cap would be maybe the worst thing ever I think
why tho
strange vector
and not really be balanced around whatsoever
marble quiver
I think this is another hexfall situation where it brings out the extremes
strange vector
I don't think just buffs will do it because they would just be unhealthy
ehh
i mean ur right but also
marble quiver
and we should not repeat the mistake of changing classes to fix their interactions in the content
marble quiver
At the same time, it really is a tenebrist eats paladin world
strange vector
a lot of love. in 27 different places.
paladin is waaaay better than tene now imo
quiet wharf
Maybe while Twisted 2 is active press Q to dodge roll
marble quiver
paladin is waaaay better than tene now imo
It is yeah, that was more an analogy than anything
It just feels really to play sometimes
marble quiver
Maybe while Twisted 2 is active press Q to dodge roll
they really are just megido bosses sometimes
strange vector
Maybe while Twisted 2 is active press Q to dodge roll
awesome
apply for monu lead
quiet wharf
Well yeah Twisted Prosecutor is Xande and Twisted Bishop is hard mode Origin
You know now that I think about it Twisted Bishop has nothing to do with Hierophant I am pretty sure
It's just a cool looking miniboss
Unless the death aoe is supposed to be enchanted prayer Idk
quiet wharf
It is kind of anti-small space design
strange vector
It is kind of anti-small space design
anti unfavorable terrain
which really is everything
quiet wharf
Also Illuminate omega homing is kinda silly you have to recoil over it to dodge it and only because it'll just disappear if you do that
strange vector
a lot of delve mods do cause enough environmental destruction
to turn like
a literal flat platform
into a hellscape
limpid zephyr
you think blue earth start isnt that bad until prosecutor drags you into lava lake
quiet wharf
you think blue earth start isnt that bad until prosecutor drags you into lava la...
It was certainly something when the soothsayer that spawned just lined the entire path with aoe death trees
and then the dryads that spawned the trees were standing in the aoes...
limpid zephyr
it was something when planetary impact telegraph spawned at same moment a pern mob perned me down 2 floors
strange vector
burn it down
i will probably
not play reaper with this mod
it just sounds not fun unless im in a group with like
a shaman to clear out nearby mobs o i can 1v1 it
wide bramble
oh right, is there some place where we can learn about the twisted attacks adn stuff
i know we can figure it out from experience
but i feel like, idk, reynart dialogue telling us about the abominations stalking nightmares (canon what delves are) and outlining what methods they use would be cool
quiet wharf
a shaman to clear out nearby mobs o i can 1v1 it
Good luck 1v1ing a Tempest (which is nerfed for next update)
strange vector
Good luck 1v1ing a Tempest (which is nerfed for next update)
it will be fine
i already have a cloak of immortals and silver moon crown on quickswap
😁
quiet wharf
I don't think any amount of tank would survive how much Tempest spams
Moreso you just wouldn't be able to hit it at all though
marble quiver
I don't think any amount of tank would survive how much Tempest spams
you are not surviving 80+ damage in r2 from whirlwind dance
thats just unreasonable
strange vector
i play only r3
strange vector
Moreso you just wouldn't be able to hit it at all though
maybe i would
erm
is it dodgeable
why do i feel like the answer might be no
quiet wharf
I mean it's dodgeable the main problem is that you just get no opportunity to hit it unless you're playing an aoe class
snow pilot
you are not surviving 80+ damage in r2 from whirlwind dance
What...
quiet wharf
It spams wind walk constantly and when it hits the ground after wind walk or something it does a huge aoe attack
Also every time it hits Wind Walk on a player it will cast it again
and it occasionally does Hurricane Dance which I think is just a death aoe around it
strange vector
Also every time it hits Wind Walk on a player it will cast it again
???
what?
why doesnt my wind walk do that
(joke)
austere lintel
How was Tempest even greenlit
strange vector
dunno
better to just treat this like a rotating mod for now
i am sure mscr will balance it accordingly
when he has time
strange vector
and it occasionally does Hurricane Dance which I think is just a death aoe aroun...
whats the windup/telegraph on that
quiet wharf
It has a fair telegraph I think
A scary icon appears on your screen for a bit and then he Kills Everybody near him
However like 75% of the time he does it when he's not near you because he just spams mobility so much
Also I realized Abomination is a bit torture
It's kinda easy but it destroys the area and it's kinda impossible to get near it without taking damage but it doesn't deal that much damage
raven fern
whats the windup/telegraph on that
ult marker
raven fern
and it occasionally does Hurricane Dance which I think is just a death aoe aroun...
its not an instakill
its like several attacks one after another
marble quiver
However like 75% of the time he does it when he's not near you because he just s...
I did tone the mobilities but 3s increases on both of the movement things might not even be enough downtime
i did 5s -> 8s on both coupled with damage nerfs and cast time nerfs
strange vector
when jchains used on a ccimmune enemy it should like
instantly deal some percentage of their hp as damage capped at like 4x your melee crit
(not a serious suggestion)
(obviously, i hope)
hollow flame
Can you make Galactic Impact's hurtbox like a little more obvious? I was throwing pots at it and it didnt take damage half the time
hollow flame
perfect 👍
quiet wharf
I'm not sure if this is intended but sometimes Omenspeaker's Devastation just doesn't destroy existing totems
quiet wharf
Oh
I thought it did I guess they just coincidentally despawned as it was cast sometimes
It's spammed constantly so
If it did then there wouldn't be a lot of decaying totems
marble quiver
it would have to shit out decayed totems constantly and that sounds worse than what it is
quiet wharf
Ironically I think the Omenspeaker might be harder in an open space because hex bombs actually hit
They get spammed so much
marble quiver
thats true
i think it is also possible to delay the bombs blowing up
when landing
cloud grail
i cant lie after refighting twisted tempest sometimes over
its honestly kinda balanced
like its got neatly telegraphed attacks
like everything is dodgable
got its openings
its honestly pretty nice
cloud grail
i guess true
the wind walk repeating is a bit unpredictable for sure in multiplayer
but at the same time nerfing it would kinda trivialize it wouldnt it
at least in solo play
for the twisted arcanist what are the procs for the special abil
marble quiver
it is one of the most fun to try and predict
i save my 5s bg as a parry pretty much for if the blade dance is unavoidable
and i can use it on a teammate to blank it if needed
plus challenge can reset the windwalk aggro swap
buoyant sonnet
i think they made it sufficiently clear this was made for groups
there’s still no ingame description about that. not an issue with fresh content drop but in about a month new players are gonna start being like “hey what the Fuck”
also uh is it normal that R1 Twisted Prosecutor deals like… 2 damage melees?
lime acorn
Just like actual reape-
pine pasture
DPact isn't in that region
tame radish
imagine someone picking twisted 2 before r2 and seeing the mobs get specs before them
hollow flame
i request a massive buff on the gravesoul abomination because current the shit is weak af
strange vector
there’s still no ingame description about that. not an issue with fresh content ...
thats fair
they should add the warning from change logs ingame
lime acorn
i request a massive buff on the gravesoul abomination because current the shit i...
it's pretty weak yeah but it does have serviceable damage
maybe it should shed its HP to spawn minions or smth
it having a no-windup hekawt gravity well is 
though please give that some delay because it's inescapable
hollow flame
wdym no wind up gravity well
it gives you 12 millenium to escape
you litreally walk in a circle around them and you automatically dodge everything
lime acorn
maybe I just don't see the particles then
ember quartz
What's the criteria for twisted bers chaining it's gb/slam
From the one dungeon I did, there were parts when teammates got combod into a pit, since every slam deletes one layer of blocks
wide bramble
i REALLY hope the all-powerful seraphim is going to get nerfed
i know this modifier is not exactly made for singleplayer
but this single mob (or three stacked on top of each other I guess) is more annoying than the bishop itself (as long as the twisted is alone, i havent had the honor of experiencing bishop's healing fiesta for myself yet)
my recommendation would be increasing the cooldown between its knockback attacks. Its a common occurance to get knocked into a wall and ceiling and take half of your health as damage because it just KEEPS ATTACKING
and you cant get out
additionally, you cant really melee it because itll knock you back
i get the idea for it is to keep the bishop safe, i even think it recalls the seraphim to itself
but the lack of attack cooldown makes it a nightmare to melee classes
i wish i had a clip of that, but at one point i got stuck in the room after the first tp in white
and it legit kept me in the air for like 10 seconds
just swooshing between different corners in the air
very funny, but also ...
indigo sage
is the patch to fix gravesoul haunted not despawning going on this week?
raven fern
I believe so
cerulean stirrup
okay so.. the problem with twisted bishop is that if the shield guy goes away the bishop does.. literally nothing?
like, i was fighting one, couldn't do anything because of sheild guy, then sheild guy disappears for some reason. the bishop just.. stood there. no abilites cast.
i just crit it to death.
it shouldnt rely so much on the most anti melee thing imaginable
i mean i guess its kinda like real cleric
so
tame radish
it should have a beam of light area attack and a little guy that shoots lasers too
drowsy hatch
hollow flame
like, i was fighting one, couldn't do anything because of sheild guy, then sheil...
bishit doesnt do anything after 33% hp, it just summons mobs that does stuff for him
cerulean stirrup
yeah no
just remove shield guy
and make him do stuff the whole time
he is defined by shield guy
hollow flame
wel technically
he does summon the eye and another guardian that shoots missles
eye is like the pala twisted where it sumons circle and attacks from below
the guardian shoots like 6 sets of 4 missles
but that has like a 30s cd
cerulean stirrup
yeah he summons stuff but that stuff is easy to avoid
cerulean stirrup
ive fought like 3 bishops and the fight isnt "avoid bishop attacks" its "avoid shield guy"
honestly just make the bishop the shield guy with nothing else and it would be harder
hollow flame
my build easily handled: both shaman, guardian, apoth, arcanist, bishop, and tenebrist
requires big field: bers, harb, tempest, reaper, pala, primordalist
the only one i cannot win is assassin because aoe
that and im not 100% sure about his attacks yet
marble quiver
i will say that like
hollow flame
p sure bro got 6 abils
marble quiver
across updates stuff will change
like next update gravecaller is getting something new, and so is deadeye
hollow flame
tf is deadeye getting, pstrike actually one shots?
marble quiver
you will find out i think
hollow flame
and yes gravecaller ritual is a fucking joke
"oooo i will summon a slightly weaker eldrask" (how threatening)
marble quiver
i nerfed him from on release since his vortex was unavoidable depending on his spawn location
hollow flame
ok fair
daring thicket
Maybe it should just gives you global wither 1 so you have to kill it
hollow flame
+1 coco
daring thicket
hollow flame
well not global, just like 50 block radius
cerulean stirrup
any bishop changes mscr
pine pasture
ok but bumky dying in the most hilarious way possible because he got tree wall combo'd
marble quiver
any bishop changes mscr
i dont really know a good way to handle bishop right now
at least in a not player racist way
ive been looking at it and shield angel needs to be changed but it is strange
cerulean stirrup
I would fully remove the shield and replace it with maybe just a melee fighter?
And then it needs a ranged projectile it can fire, I think. But like not a lot of them or very quickly.
Someting like evil hallowed beam
marble quiver
i mean the entire point of the shield is blocking so maybe i could really just remove the damage
cerulean stirrup
It’s still overly melee racist if that’s the term we are using
marble quiver
but i want to keep its identity as a protector
just.. not in the way it is right now
the wall is thematic but also it instantly spawns if i remember correctly
maybe cooldowns could be good here
cerulean stirrup
What if it rotates around the bishop?
So you have to engage and then back out before it comes back, or constantly spin around the bishop to match it
marble quiver
ive got no clue how that would work mechanically but im willing to try
cerulean stirrup
Yeah Idk how you would, implement that in a way that would work but it might be more engaging.
Though it loses its ability to fight ranged players if it’s tied to the bishop
Maybe if the Bishop isn’t meleed it splits from the bishop and chases like it does now?
Idk I am spitballing
lime acorn
it could be able to be disabled by doing enough damage to it, and bishop has to stop and revive it giving you an opportunity to get some good whacks in
marble quiver
it could be able to be disabled by doing enough damage to it, and bishop has to ...
the bishop already rotates through angels as is on a 20s timer
lime acorn
oh I see
compact tide
the shield really pissed me off when it knocked me down to 1hp and straight to lava
main hinge
but i want to keep its identity as a protector
Make it apply a halo spawner type effect to the bishop while alive
or give it e-wrath
lime acorn
more mobs need to have ewrath
main hinge
or give it e-wrath
Bishop gets sizable DR buff while its alive, bishop taking damage results in a bar filling
At certain intervals of the bar filling the shield angel casts an explosion, aoe dmg and size ramping with how full the bar is
So u have to either focus shield angel down with single target or isolate it from bishop to hit it with aoes safely
Also maybe give it a few totems so burst doesnt trivialize it idk
I have no idea what bishop even does besides the flying and shield angel btw
Some1 wanna remind me
hollow flame
the bishop already rotates through angels as is on a 20s timer
The main issue with shield wall is that it blocks projectiles and pushes nearby players, but does nothing againt magic attacks (all mage attacks, most alch attacks other than main pot, totem dmg, warlock abils)
same for carapace shields that bishop gives himself, it's anti-big hits and only really counters warlock amp hex
i think you can keep the shield wall angels but reduce its dmg and increase kb by a lot. Make make it mount on a vex instead of some garbage flying mob
and give bishop magic res
or attacks from distance like the hog is already doing
marble quiver
i think you can keep the shield wall angels but reduce its dmg and increase kb b...
i think something i could do is also make it have 0 passive movement and a movement spell
so it only moves on cooldown
hollow flame
what would that solve though
if anything i think it makes bishop even bigger of a sandbag that it already is for ranged classes
marble quiver
my issue is that the angels are so much of a threat that the bishop itself doesnt really do much of
anything
so by doing this i can at least move some of the danger of angels back into the main guy
since its a little unbalanced atm
i don’t think ill get on the bishop stuff this update (much too late for that plus work)
but i’ll look into it when i can
in the meantime feel free to angelpost here
hollow flame
what if we just make bishop change his hallowed beam into a damaging spell when they cast ascension
bishop goes "alright fuck healing, ima go full on agro", stop summoning angel, and starts dealing 1dmg/s if you have los
now the issue is no longer the shielding walls, it's now bishop handing you a time limit
marble quiver
poise builds explode this friday
buoyant sonnet
fear
hollow flame
just change assassin agro order or smth
make it agro scout -> shaman -> alch in that order
raven fern
poise builds explode this friday
my goofy ahh running bis magic gonna explode
(i am running armor agi mix)
(60 ehp)
hazy axle
lime acorn
bishop now changes its moveset based on the current active angel
raven fern
bishop now changes its moveset based on the current active angel
bishop now swaps hallowed beam mode dependant on which angel is out
if shield seraphim it uses heal
if all seeing or all knowing it uses attack
main hinge
What’s bishop’s move pool again
raven fern
What’s bishop’s move pool again
ascend and angels
also does shields
and heals passively
main hinge
Could give it eprayer maybe
raven fern
true
main hinge
Summon minions that build up if u ignore them
raven fern
Summon minions that build up if u ignore them
the angels in question:
main hinge
Periodically causes every mob within a certain range to explode for big aoe magic dmg
hollow flame
What’s bishop’s move pool again
Twisted Bishop constantly gains protective shield on self, stacking up to 3 of them.
Hand of Light: The ability no longer damages the player, and periodically heals all mobs nearby.
Eye of Ray: Occasionally summons an eye, which lock on a player and casts a summoning circle under a player. When the eye locks on, rays of white particle appear from ground, dealing constant damage to anyone within it.
Summon Angel: Summons am angel, which fly towards a player and have a permanent shield wall which deals damage. Only 1 can exist at a time.
Summon Guardian Angel: After being summoned, It will cast 5 sets of bolts towards a player, first shooting only one but shooting 3 bolts for the rest of the sets.
Ascension: Auto casts at 33% HP remaining, indicated by a cross symbol appearing on your screen. Bishop now gains the ability to fly, instantly summoning 4 Angels, ignoring the threshold.
Obviously not perfect but this is as accurate as i got
hollow flame
the angels in question:
angel is max 1 unless im accidentaly killing them as they spawn
ping me if im wrong
raven fern
Twisted Bishop constantly gains protective shield on self, stacking up to 3 of t...
EYE OF RA
lime acorn
Ultrakill virtue™
neat hawk
Hello everyone mister mob dev is asleep so I have come here to fact check instead
I am about to implement spawn rate changes for tonight's update, this is what we discussed:
- Reduce spawn rate slightly
- Cap spec twisteds at the amount of players present unlesss the upper boundary is hit (decrease upper boundary from 150 spawns since last spec twisted to 100?)
Is there anything I have missed or does the people approve
pine pasture
seems alright to me
neat hawk
I was also planning to separate the mod into more levels like before rework but that is going to have to wait
hollow flame
Hello everyone mister mob dev is asleep so I have come here to fact check instea...
what does 2nd one mean, if dungeon is solo then only 1 twisted can exist spawn at a time?
main hinge
Yes
hollow flame
sounds fair to me
hollow flame
In that case can we get twisted 3 where spawn rate is drastically increased and cap doesnt exist
main hinge
in which case it forcibly spawns a twisted without checking for a cap
hollow flame
wait there's a forced spawn mechanic?
main hinge
Anti-pity yes
hollow flame
is this a thing for twisted 1 as well
main hinge
yes
hollow flame
welp, time to add this to the wiki
raven fern
In that case can we get twisted 3 where spawn rate is drastically increased and ...
twisted 3 (alchemist twisteds gain jar of clucks frfr)
main hinge
At twisted 3 u opt into being a twisted
raven fern
At twisted 3 u opt into being a twisted
at twisted 3 twisteds spawn in groups
main hinge
If anyone running twisted 3 spawns a twisted it pulls someone else with it enabled into their instance and u have to duke it out
Loser gets shatter 3 and loses all their xp with no grave
neat hawk
Okay I might have to do distance checks for this because I can't just get every twisted or every player inside a whole dungeon
Would a 50 block radius check around spawners work
hollow flame
sounds big enough for me i only play solo i dont have any right to say shit
main hinge
Like when ever it does the spawn check it also checks how many players and twisteds are within 50?
neat hawk
Yeah, so if you're solo you can still spawn a second twisted if it's far enough away
main hinge
it’s.. probably fine? Idk i cant think of any issues off the top of my head
hollow flame
You can also spawn a second one if you activate two of them
and both says "alright, i wanna spawn a twisted and dont see any nearby... oh"
neat hawk
There is also a lower cap so this shouldn't be able to happen
main hinge
Is there really no way to check how many players and twisteds are in a region
neat hawk
Not feasibly I don't think
main hinge
How does lootbox do it then
neat hawk
Good question I shall check
hollow flame
watch lootbox just be a fucking gigantic radius check
main hinge
Lootbox excludes ppl outside the poi iirc
hollow flame
same "location" check maybe
neat hawk
No they have to be eligible
hollow flame
ic
main hinge
I have found something called playersInLootScalingRange
Noice
Succeeded in reducing the amount of jank
Maybe
worldly meteor
Anti-pity yes
A disdain mechanic
main hinge
As for twisted check range.. whatever the display range for boss bars seems like a good value? Idk
If you’re tripping spawners so far away from the rest of the team that the twisted’s boss bar isnt even visible u deserve to have extra twisteds or something
neat hawk
As for twisted check range.. whatever the display range for boss bars seems like...
This seems to be 40 blocks
vivid peak
Hello everyone mister mob dev is asleep so I have come here to fact check instea...
possibly unpopular take incoming: i haven't really played it in dungeons yet, but i would like if they spawned a little more often in pois
because as it is it feels like "75% chance for a free 8 points"
hollow flame
i mean that kinda alr is true in twisted 1 as well
neat hawk
Perhaps the cap is a good reason to not decrease spawn rate
But with the next set of changes it should be much better
hollow flame
can you make twisted 1 3 pt, then twist 2 8 pts
or is that not possible with the current code
neat hawk
Not at the moment
vivid peak
i mean that kinda alr is true in twisted 1 as well
yeah fair
but if you're really intent on fighting a twisted in t1 it'll take you maybe 1-2 runs to get one
not like 4-5 which has been my (admittedly subjective, my memory is shit) experience
wise palm
because as it is it feels like "75% chance for a free 8 points"
While solo it feels a little weird, possibly bugged, that if you die to them they just instantly despawn, some of them I get really low and I'd love to have a crack and finishing them off but nope
marble quiver
I also don’t really get why that happens
maybe not all of them have persistent for some reason
pine pasture
in POIs specifically mobs struggle to stay alive
I think the outliers are Vibrant and Quelled
stuff just kinda despawns, Twisted included
main hinge
maybe not all of them have persistent for some reason
Is the poi respawn point within the poi bounds
or does the poi get considered “empty” if u die and respawn at the entrance
vivid peak
maybe not all of them have persistent for some reason
i'm yet to have any of them stick around after a solo death so idk
austere lintel
This is somehow incredibly disturbing.
It's not even that the stupid Ninetales is strong (it's just annoying as hell), but your own fox getting shot dead then turned into the enemy fox?
Of all the ways to "counter" companions you sure chose the most upsetting way.
Have a bad night.
compact tide
ig there's a reason they're called twisted
austere lintel
Also, just how many skills does the Deadeye have?
Traps, foxes, predator strike, wannabe Tactical Maneuver on no cooldown
Split arrow, and some additional missiles or whatever they are
Does it also have eagle eye?
drowsy hatch
yeah it has eeye
austere lintel
Had an encounter with the buffed Twisted Prosecutor
Its chains pull strength is a little overkill I think
And by little I think it's way overkill
Even if I couldn't entirely cancel it by running away, at least I wouldn't expect to be inevitably pulled at the Twisted unless I put blocks between us.
buoyant sonnet
isn't the whole mechanic that you place blocks to break LoS
it's a minecraft game you can place blocks
austere lintel
Fair
austere lintel
This is somehow incredibly disturbing.
What if the Hunting Companion was only shot dead if the caster was no longer within the Twisted Deadeye's line of sight? The Twisted would get to keep its anti-companion attack and it'd come with the extra benefit of guilt tripping players for leaving their companions to their fate while they ran away, but it would also reward them if they stood their ground and fought alongside them.
buoyant sonnet
What if the Hunting Companion was only shot dead if the caster was no longer wit...
would there be some lenience for how long you can break LoS (i.e. staying out for 5s will kill your fox)? since i imagine breaking it to a pillar would be frustrating
alternatively it could be shot dead when player is too far from deadeye
austere lintel
would there be some lenience for how long you can break LoS (i.e. staying out fo...
That'd be up to the designers, but a few seconds lenience would be a nice addition.
2 or 3 seconds maybe.
And both triggers for the companion getting shot could be used simultaneously.
That is, the fox would die if you either break LoS for too long or go too far.
cerulean stirrup
Deadeye is still kinda crazy
austere lintel
More of a Touhou boss than any Astral ever
lime acorn
... how bad would every special astral on top of each other be (with the damage turned down slightly for leniency)?
cerulean stirrup
You’d basically need a high regen build with a jump boost potion to out heal the damage
austere lintel
I think White, Black and Gamma together would murder you
The other 6 would be just extra torture
pine pasture
... how bad would every special astral on top of each other be (with the damage ...
every basic pillar stacked was rough enough
you probably just lose
wise palm
Weird experience of having 0 twisteds in a bewitched, had to double check I had the points on. I think I had 3 earlier in a doomed. Not sure if insane luck/unluck or if there's a bug
Will do more pois and see if they spawn
Okey yep got one like 4 spawners into the next one, crazy rng then
wise palm
Not sure how nerfed the rates are, but it doesn't feel "slightly" from these couple pois, it feels like halved or worse. Was that the intention?
snow pilot
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I feel that fox should just be an innate skill that the twisted has, not as something that is meant to hard-counter your fox. After all, the skill description of Hunting Companion literally says that it is invulnerable
main hinge
I feel that fox should just be an innate skill that the twisted has, not as some...
It does innately have it
Summoning a fox just resets the cd on twisted fox
snow pilot
Summoning a fox just resets the cd on twisted fox
But why? It should just...not happen. There's no need
buoyant sonnet
because Twisteds are Evil and Fucked Up
and there’s no better way to convey Evil and Fucked Up than shooting your fox
main hinge
Something about ppl cheesing it with a fox build
buoyant sonnet
is it only Deadeye or is it Watchman too
main hinge
Scout in general hence all the anti-range mechanics added this week
snow pilot
Something about ppl cheesing it with a fox build
No way a person will rely on fox to cheese it. They don't do great single-target damage
snow pilot
and there’s no better way to convey Evil and Fucked Up than shooting your fox
But is there a need for it? Sure, it makes sense for an evil character to be evil, but it does not make sense to just disable a skill
buoyant sonnet
considering how chaotic Twisted fights are
i would honestly say fox can compose more than half of the total output of a scout
snow pilot
i would honestly say fox can compose more than half of the total output of a sco...
I mean, it'd depend on the player's skill, but I doubt that that should be a reason to disable hunting companion entirely. Not many people choose hunting companion, in general. If you want to "cheese" a twisted, play an easier/skill-less class
buoyant sonnet
Twisted Shamans now turn Shaman Totems into Twisted Totems after they expire
snow pilot
Twisted Shamans now turn Shaman Totems into Twisted Totems after they expire
Just feels weird in general to have a twisted completely counter or disable a skill. I guess if all twisteds do it equally, it might be fair. Still, hunting companion is generally not chosen as a skill very often, so to have the twisted specifically counter hunting companion feels weird, to say the least
open crest
Still need try more, but I just done a coven fortress, no twist spawn, so free 8pt
tame radish
but but scaling
open crest
so far i roll revenant, moonweaver, bishop from 4 poi, beside coven each have 1, feel totally fine fight with
since I didn't play orignal version, nor have enough experience (u see not even meet all 16 twist), so can't said much about their diffculty
at least i can tell twist spawn count = 0 is not good when it worth 8pt total
wise palm
I think minimum at least 1 per poi, even if it's short. I could agree before was too much, but not even getting 1 feels odd, like yeah it's literally free points
wise palm
That does not sound right at all, unless the combo of that + the minimum being raised has resulted in the true average being way more
I was getting 3-4 in a poi and now I'm getting 0-2
neat hawk
The minimum may be too high
wise palm
0 should never happen imo
neat hawk
The maximum could also be lowered
wise palm
because 0 means you get 8 points with nothing actually happening for it
main hinge
Minimum as in how many spawners before a twisted can spawn?
are u able to check how many spawners a poi has
main hinge
I was told its successful spawner attempts idk
neat hawk
Honestly I'm not even sure
main hinge
wise palm
Increased the Twisted minibosses' lower boundary and decreased their Level 2 upper boundary for spawns since last Twisted summon. Spawns could mean total or each spawner
neat hawk
I just went with the numbers of old twisted