SKR Feedback Thread

[outer acorn]

yeah that room there is the epitome

[sturdy kernel]

A sudoku would be funny to add

iirc it already exists in a prior quest

[wispy swan]

its in one of the wispervale quests

[old flicker]

not wisperwale

its the bleeding proof

which starts in frostgate/rakheri

depending on how u finish foreign soldier

[high trout]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

Its the R is for Reprisal quest

[old flicker]

peak

is the follow up right

we go there twice

[dense kindle]

We talked about it but thought it was a little basic

[cursive sphinx]

Also really hard to randomize using mechs

[snow wharf]

I'd argue sudoku is as basic as minesweeper

[snow wharf]

Yeah, cause you cant just make solution and then remove info randomly since that might leave you in a 50/50 situation

[high trout]

sudoku would not be a fun puzzle in minecraft

if its made the same as in that one quest

[ornate light]

what if we spice up the minesweeper a bit to allow different boards
like boards that are not rectangular maybe a plus sign or some random holes

[high trout]

what if we added snakes...

[snow wharf]

why stop at snakes

[high trout]

chess skr...

[white merlin]

the return of sierhaven chess

finally

[high trout]

waiting for the day when we get multiplayer skr puzzles

[snow wharf]

ah yes, the puzzle room "beat stockfish"

[ornate light]

compete against the machine (implement deepblue in minecraft)

[snow wharf]

my favorite!

imagine a fishing minigame thats "find checkmate"

[high trout]

thats actually fire idea

[snow wharf]

yeah good luck parsing the board made entirely of particles

[white merlin]

humanornot.ai in skr puzzle room

[snow wharf]

which dev do we inslave to play the human 24/7?

[cobalt dawn]

no you have to wait for someone else to roll the same skr type as you

on the same shard

[silver lake]

tmornot.ai

[wispy swan]

can we not do that for no reason in particular

[snow wharf]

average human

[wispy swan]

i got this 3 games in a row just now

im gonna kill myself

[snow wharf]

omeagle curse

[cobalt dawn]

[charred imp]

you can tell it's human because the response is worse than an ai

[cobalt dawn]

Simply make the ais c.ai of various monumenta characters and instead of guessing if it's an ai or not you have to guess the character

[austere nacelle]

the tree at the bottom is shaped like a staircase so I found this one really easily lol

[old flicker]

it just takes some looking around

from some

peak

u might say

[bleak jungle]

new skr puzzle room, the memory of silver knight ghyrrhafainylamydu presents you 3 doors to choose from, one of which has the chests behind it. once you choose a door, he reveals that behind one of the doors that you haven't chosen, it is empty, you are then given the choice to keep the door you originally chose, or switch to the other door remaining

[molten ginkgo]

the always switch then feel bad when you miss anyway puzzle

[cobalt dawn]

do it with four doors to keep it interesting

[molten ginkgo]

so uh.. why does the skr golem have sorting bins. it's solo content, why does it need any let alone two?

[dense pendant]

this is probably why

[dense pendant]

smh no guild solidarity /j

[weak lake]

Probably for all the people gambling via SKR caches...

[molten ginkgo]

what is the relation between cache gambling and a sort box

[silver lake]

Cuz people are placing their chests everywhere

I dont think it did anything tho tbh

[primal stratus]

It didn’t do a thing

[worthy pivot]

it looks cool though

[primal stratus]

There’s chests still spammed everywhere

[molten ginkgo]

if it's supposed to be a trash can, a sort bin serves a specific purpose that is the opposite of being a trash can

there's also like, a quest compass chest 10 blocks away for an actual trash can

so theyre there as the wrong thing in place to solve a problem that is defined by people doing something other than what the solution needs done

[wispy swan]

How the hell would a sorting bin even theoretically help with that

[grizzled sun]

I do put cache inside

[wispy swan]

but why

is it assuming people don't have a place to put the leftover chests or what?

i always thought everyone places it cause its the fastest way to open large amounts of caches

[old flicker]

i once found 8 lore books in a sorting bin

#lore-discussion ers jackpot

[wispy swan]

if you open the caches through your inventory, why on earth would you need a bin to put them into when you can just throw them away and they'll despawn

[grizzled sun]

I could, but I pefer put into bin

So random someone won't pick it up

I also don't place it on ground cause that require me walk to survival area place it sort it, when I can just right click

[old flicker]

bins allow me to take other people chests into my collection

i have almost a full barrel of r3 and r1 bounty chests

r2 bounties only half

[wispy swan]

freak

[old flicker]

i collect all chests like this

[molten ginkgo]

ok, but you dont need a Sorting Bin for that, just any storage block

[wispy swan]

can someone fill me in on sorting bin history

why was it added originally

and why is it called a sorting bin

[old flicker]

all of my plot top floor is just various cache chests and blocks

[molten ginkgo]

sorting bins are what people put their key cost share into in lobbies

[wispy swan]

well yeah

why sorting bin tho

[old flicker]

well a sorting bin is just the standard rn

[wispy swan]

odd

[old flicker]

it aint broke

[wispy swan]

i was under the impression splitting the key cost was the community-made use for the bins

and judging by their name i thought they were supposed to be used for something else

that no one ever uses them for

[molten ginkgo]

i dont remember them ever being for anything other than that, and first in like, black mist strike lobby 4 years ago? idk

[grizzled sun]

player tired of throw key fee to host but random other teammate pick it up

so we have sorting bin

[feral cliff]

Giving you some space to jam stuff you dont want from caches

[cursive sphinx]

Thats not exactly useful if it just fills up from a couple people's junk, right?

Wouldnt a compass chest type trash bin be more useful in that regard

[snow wharf]

is just prep for the 2028 SKR multiplayer update

[feral cliff]

well given neither are being used it wouldn’t make much difference i dont think

[sweet wigeon]

it lets other people get free stuff

[old flicker]

^

[wary ivy]

You sure these things are 50/50 😭

1 puzzle in the last 11 I think

[snow wharf]

they're 50/50 only in the one loot table charging checked

[rigid oyster]

Yeah uh imma be honest it really doesnt feel 50/50 atm

It did in the first week after the change but

I’m at 1 puzzle scroll in about 15 rn, and that sounds incredibly improbable to have happen a 2nd time in such a short time after czad’s streak

[feral cliff]

They all point to one loot table, “standardscroll” which is a 1 / 1

I’ll double check tomorrow but like

surely..

[rigid oyster]

Inb4 it turns out the loot table is bugged

Idk

But its like 1 in 16k or something to roll that many combats in a row i think

So having it happen like 3 times within a short time span from the playerbase just seems crazy

We’re definitely not generating the tens of thousands scrolls needed for that to be a regular occurrence and I think 3 times is often enough to start questioning if its just a fluke or not

[old flicker]

my scroll drop rates are near 50/50

[cursive sphinx]

As far as I can tell, it's definitely set up as a 50/50 drop chance between the 2 with no shenanigans

Not seeing any errors in the way its set up

[wary ivy]

Flipping a coin, but mine is weighted away from minesweeper after playing it too much

[cursive sphinx]

Also did a grep across the server and it doesn't seem like anything is mistakenly directly calling specific scroll loot tables rather than the randomizer

So I don't know what else to say other than it may just really be bad luck

Unless minecraft's loot table randomization is actually bunk, in which case we have a whole different problem

[primal stratus]

For some reason I get a lot more combats

[feral cliff]

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          "name": "epic:r3/dungeons/skr/remnant_scroll_combat",
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          "type": "loot_table",
          "weight": 50,
          "name": "epic:r3/dungeons/skr/remnant_scroll_puzzle",
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}```

you are just

"lucky"

[snow wharf]

Does the weight have to add to 100

[outer acorn]

no

[rigid oyster]

incredible

[cursive sphinx]

The weight numbers are arbitrary as long as they match, since the percertages are normalized by the total weight

[molten ginkgo]

fairly standard way for loot tables to function in games, just a bit weird if you havent been exposed to it before

they could just as easily have the 50% chance implemented by giving each a weight of 69420 for a drop chance of 69420 / (69420 + 69420) = 0.5 at the low cost of causing psychic damage to any dev looking at the loot table in the future

there's a good chance mojang rng isnt great at its job but it is unlikely to be bad in a way that is significant or relevant for that results swing

at the same time i am also like 7:1 on combat:puzzle scrolls (and like 40 scroll frags to that 8 scrolls)

on the one hand, there is a tendency for something like this to get confirmation bias toward the players whose luck is an outlier giving an impression of it working differently, since the people getting the expected result are much less likely to go "by the way im getting equal numbers of both it's working normally" except in response to people talking about the outlier

on the other hand, has anyone been like "why do i get 8 puzzle scrolls per 1 combat scroll drop?" to actually balance the curve?

[feral cliff]

yes, czard has

[molten ginkgo]

then it is probably working just fine

[grizzled sun]

pls make vine parkour start in new puzzle room more obvious

or just not make it guard 2 chest

it really annoy me that i need spend shit ton of time try to figure out hidden start for no reason to get loot

is... not even a puzzle

[hidden fulcrum]

according to logs (as far as I can tell)
2857 puzzle scrolls
3117 combat scrolls
since release, but it also WAS weighted towards combat scrolls for a brief period (till the 6th of March)

From the 7th March onwards only its 2226 puzzle / 2211 combat

[dense pendant]

@white merlin

[silver lake]

doesn't include the weekly bonus scrolls but that is the same table

[harsh hill]

Was the weighting a mistake or on purpose

[silver lake]

on purpose

charging thought people would want combats more

[high trout]

(people want more puzzles in reality)

[wary ivy]

Daniel finally gave me a puzzle scroll, now is the time for the all puzzle streak

[grizzled sun]

can we hotfix path of mind so it doesn't contain parkour

i am so disappoint see i roll it with my sequence scroll, know that i won't be able get my loot and lorebook because creator decide add a vine parkour is good idea

[silver lake]

its... two jumps

[grizzled sun]

u underestimated how bad ppl parkour skill is

if base chest is not 5 (iirc lowest) i would be find

but is not, i need solve a vine parkour to get 7

btw finally get Kaiwah Valley, very beautiful

[old flicker]

its pretty easy in bis speed

first try after figuring out the path

and im not good at parkour either

[grizzled sun]

u know what i am also in bis speed and it didn't make it easier but harder

[high trout]

do you know how vine parkour works

its like really easy

without any speed

[grizzled sun]

if i know i wouldn't be here complain, even if i know i perfer basic loot is more then 5

[old flicker]

default should definetly be 6

[high trout]

I mean you just hold space and sprint forward

[grizzled sun]

ty for share tip

[mortal tartan]

i think being 5 chests without parkour is a little low

but i think there being chests in the parkour is fine

it's not a requirement, it's a question "are the two extra mats worth my time"

although i do think changing it to like 7/1 instead of 5/2 is fine

[high trout]

people out here beating hycenea with ease but then failing at simple vine parkour 💔

[mortal tartan]

vine parkour is annoying sometimes though

[ornate light]

With that amount of people complaining it it is not easy

[mortal tartan]

alnera rooster cache flashbacks

i haven't played path of the mind yet though i haven't been doing pois

[grizzled sun]

ty that's really helpful

[scarlet laurel]

i suck at parkour but boy can i press lmb!

[orchid briar]

Can u press spacebar tho

[scarlet laurel]

idk about that one..

[elder cypress]

it's not easy parkour it's so bad and painful I fell off the vine like 10 times help

[mortal tartan]

i didnt say it was easy

and the parkour isnt the focus of the room

[molten ginkgo]

it is when it's a third of your loot

[rigid oyster]

why do the isharist maps have more poison/debuffs than the galos ones

anyway the bronze mask elites are incredibly miserable to fight

esp with coven amp lagging it up

getting spawncamped rn btw

respawning, and then the lag results in me immediately getting double shot by a bronze mask while shattered

if i rejoin will it despawn

wait i just realized, why do skr mobs not despawn on death

[molten ginkgo]

if you disconnect in range of a mob it typically becomes despawnproof

iirc not permanently but long enough that the time isnt worth considering waiting out

[rigid oyster]

Anyway yeah

I know half of that was bcuz of coven amp lag, but that was genuinely miserable can those get nerfed please

I couldnt even get close enough to melee it between deaths, it kept shooting me across the room

Admittedly, the first thing i shouldve done was wall off spawn and not remembering i can do that before dying a few times was on me, but I kinda feel like I shouldnt need to do that, idk?

[molten ginkgo]

unfortunately, logging out is the usual natural reaction to being deathlooped at spawn.. and that makes the anticheese cheese you

[rigid oyster]

I did not log out

I died and then it chased me across the skr to spawn

[molten ginkgo]

oh i misread misinterpreted the part about lag and rejoining

[rigid oyster]

I dont even know how it aggro’d me from that far away frankly

[molten ginkgo]

Bog Fly Bog is a great name

[solemn rapids]

The most difficult puzzle I’ve experienced from SKR was getting to that chest because most paths to it were barriered off and the “correct path” was unclear

[rigid oyster]

i hate the mastermind parkour

[high trout]

Are people actually this bad at parkour 😭

[rigid oyster]

it took me forever to figure out where i was even supposed to start it, it's marked by some grey carpets in a corner of a dark room

[rigid oyster]

they used barrier blocks instead of actual visible blocks to wall it off like bulky said

the only jump i'm having issue with is the 2nd to last one onto the playerheads, and i do not look forward to having to do this parkour repeatedly everytime i get this room

[high trout]

god knows what would happen if we would've had dedicated parkour skr rooms

[ornate light]

haven't tried it myself but objectively just look at how many people are struggling with it
doesn't matter if you think it's hard or not

[rigid oyster]

everyone would just give czad their sequence scrolls to do instead

[high trout]

I had this funny idea for dedicated parkour room where the main gimmick would be moving snakes

[rigid oyster]

that sounds like something that would be impossible to do the next time another memory leak occurs

[grizzled sun]

snake is, at least for what i have experience is easier then figure out where to go in path of mind room

but i can see it be a massive problem to average asian ping player

[hoary flint]

nah i'd massively do parkour rooms tf

[rigid oyster]

I am disqualifying you from "everyone"

[hoary flint]

yay thanks

[white merlin]

also i believe i used only two barrier blocks on one cliff that i was unable to get to look good without having them be climbable. which well isnt optimal, but i believed it to be acceptable as its in one spot that i thought would be clear to not be "the intended route"
the entire parkour used to be marked with redstone torches but i was told it stood out too much thats why its carpets at the start. in case any dev has a few spare seconds to mark the path with redstone torches (and agrees itd be helpful) i wouldnt have anything against that

if any dev feels itd be more appropriate to just move all the chests to normal mode i guess that would work as well i just feel like itd be sad for hardmode

[rigid oyster]

personally I dislike parkour to begin with, but I can tolerate it usually

not knowing where to even go is the point where it starts rapidly sliding into "I want out of here" territory

[dense pendant]

might end up in a situation where the chests are obtrained normally and the parkour is reserved for a one time 5 Memory Fragments discovery

[hoary flint]

welcone back find the button

[white merlin]

another compromise would be spawning two chests somewhere when comping hardmode and having the book be parkour only

[white merlin]

whatever devs deem appropriate

[old flicker]

#spoiler-chat message

the parkour btw

[rigid oyster]

I think a lot of people straight up hate the vines though

[high trout]

vines are not hard

its just that people don't know how to do them

[white merlin]

idk for me they are kind of the most trivial part bc its just jump into them -> climb up -> move forward

but smth smth creator bias sooo

vines are just ladders you can move through so you just need to ensure the vines are double sided when you move through them

[rigid oyster]

i didn't have any issues with them personally, like uurik says it's probably a knowledge issue

was just pointing it out, cuz i saw a lot of complaints in #spoiler-chat about the vines in specific

[stuck kayak]

sug add

[rigid oyster]

is there no way to check how many chests an skr has without a chest

[silver lake]

nope

I could add a way but im not entirely sure where

[feral cliff]

would it be easy enough to tie it to the exit light?

[silver lake]

Yeah

it would be copypasting a function 40 times over

(which would take an estimated 5 seconds per

[snow wharf]

40 * 5 =200 which is obviously too many seconds

[silver lake]

yep

[snow wharf]

If a bug cant be fixed or feature can’t be added in under 1 minute is it even worth considering

[silver lake]

time is money so i think not!

accurate repreesntation. does this work?

[feral cliff]

that works

[silver lake]

if i want to be

extra lazy

i can just make it replay the action bar

but that has a +1

[feral cliff]

yeah

thats so fine

[snow wharf]

Holy shit finally some good loot out of an SKR

Can we make all of them average 200 chests?

[wary ivy]

Is it possible to have a shift right click with compass shows you SKR room name again, I forgor after first seeing it a lot

[silver lake]

lol was there no actionbars in mastermind room this whole time

okay its all made without the +1 and with a chat message 😁

there is a non zero chance one of them is lying

[snow wharf]

It’s me I’m the one of them

[feral cliff]

can you double check forgeway while you're on

and also move the gravel chest while you're there

[silver lake]

what

i think i fixed forgeway

to nine chests

at some point

[white merlin]

can u fix the biome in there 🥺

[silver lake]

idk what the gravel chest is

[silver lake]

whats it supposed to be

[white merlin]

uhhbdark forest

[feral cliff]

its before one of the first interior drop downs,a chest behind gravel

could you move it

[silver lake]

ok i'll do it with axiom

surely that saves

[feral cliff]

axiom would work ya

[silver lake]

its already dark forest

is this real

[white merlin]

o wait someone fixed it

i just saw

[silver lake]

no changelog messages..

[white merlin]

not in #bugs-fixed-for-next-update 🥺

[silver lake]

who are we firing today

is it uurik

[white merlin]

but bug fixed in bug bot..

[silver lake]

it was indeed uurik and he forgot 💔

[silver lake]

to where

[feral cliff]

idk follow your heart

[silver lake]

oh thats such a dumb chest spot

[feral cliff]

i know

[molten ginkgo]

why dont they all call the same function to begin with to just add it to that

[silver lake]

because all rooms have different chest counts,,

[molten ginkgo]

yes

[silver lake]

i couldve solved an arithmetic equation and have like 10 functions instead but i am not doing that

since chest count ranges from 6-17

@feral cliff im placing it in front of the gravel

or you know

maybe i just remove it

why does this get 9 chests

[feral cliff]

sure remove it

[molten ginkgo]

where does the on-chest-collection collected/total get its total from and why cant that be queried generically

[silver lake]

because this is mechs you see

[molten ginkgo]

i thought that was what mcfuncs where for

[silver lake]

currently on chest click it runs function monumenta:skr/rooms/roomnumber/actionbar

it was either a general function that wouldve run 40 commands at once (boring) or a function in each room's folder (more efficient)

its a bit more practical changing single values and a bit less changing many values

[molten ginkgo]

im just not understanding why the "function per room" isnt just "how many chests does this room have" and then like, 2 commands instead of 40

[silver lake]

And where do you check how many it has?

[molten ginkgo]

where do you currently check how many it has:

i suspect i cannot get my point across without access to the mechs to construct a functioning example based on, which makes this exchange an exercise in futility for both of us

[rigid oyster]

is the sliding puzzle dummy supposed to stop moving without having hit a block

[high trout]

Oops my bad gang

[rigid oyster]

for long straight sections it only travels maybe half the board length before running out of momentum and stopping for me

[cursive sphinx]

Yes that's intended

[molten ginkgo]

were remnant cache rare rates changed? seems like lucent has gotten like 2 in 30 after caches early on seeming like a pretty consistent 1 in 4

[rigid oyster]

I am at 5 rares in ~50-60 caches I think, but also I don't think 50 is a particularly large sample size

[molten ginkgo]

it's not but at the same time a 25% expected rate is large enough for that encountered rate to be an extremely unlikely outlier

[rigid oyster]

I don't know where 25% expected rate came from?

[molten ginkgo]

i got it from needmoney who got it from cqmera(?) opening 800 or so

[high trout]

lol? I've gotten like 7 rares within 20 caches

Dropped double rares multiple times

[molten ginkgo]

yeah well ive been failing vine parkour for half an hour

[high trout]

[wispy swan]

sirs please remove the chests locked behind parkour in the worlde puzzle room and place them normally

the parkour is complete bullshit and is the opposite of fun and i came here to do puzzles not parkour

just leave the book there

okay thanks!

[old flicker]

i disagree with parkour being bad, though the path should be more obvious

[wispy swan]

restating what i said in spoiler chat, it doesnt matter if you think the parkour is easy or hard

its difficult enough to be considered as focused on at least some parkour skill

its not a random 3 block jump over a lava lake in a poi

i am not good at parkour nor do i like doing it

why am i forced to do it in a puzzle room

[high trout]

because they don't have anywhere else to put parkours

[wispy swan]

then just... don't put them anywhere at all?

what kinda game design is this if they go off of "we have this thing we need to shove at least somewhere"

[high trout]

I'm gonna be just brutally honest, I'd just say its skill issue at this point if the parkour is too "hard"

[wispy swan]

yea? my bad for never playing parkour because its not the type of content i enjoy

i will enjoy what the game wants me to next time 👍

[white merlin]

optional parkour for bonus reward
"the game forces me to do something i dont enjoy"

i added the parkour because i thought it was a fun way to incorporate the environment into the room - turns out it isnt fun to some, but i do feel like this is overreacting a bit

[high trout]

not everything can be designed to please everyone

[wispy swan]

it does not feel very optional when without it the room falls below the minimum chest reward for a puzzle

[high trout]

the puzzle is relatively short

[wispy swan]

5 chests is still less than any other room im aware of

[white merlin]

originally it used to be lore book only because on build shard we didnt know about the chest system, the 2 chests were then placed there to encourage not only playing hard mode once in your entire lifetime

[high trout]

and? what does that change

[white merlin]

thats just straight up incorrect considering find the button exists

[high trout]

there is no set "minium" count

[white merlin]

construct puzzle was buffed from 4 to 6 to accomodate for rewards feeling unfair

so i think its a fair point to an extent

[high trout]

memory bank should be 5 honestly

its so easy

[wispy swan]

yea thats why there are these things called content types

[high trout]

or the puzzle itself should be buffed

[wispy swan]

we have combat scrolls and we have puzzle scrolls

if we had parkour scrolls and they had parkour in them you wouldn't hear me complain a single word

[high trout]

puzzles can be mixed with parkour

[wispy swan]

and.. why exactly is that?

[high trout]

puzzles fit the format more

[white merlin]

because people create what they enjoy creating and it was accepted

i see now that putting chests there is something more people dislike than like

[wispy swan]

not really? not at all actually
parkour is its own thing separate from both combat and puzzle

[high trout]

no one wants to do dedicated parkour rooms

[white merlin]

but also the parkour is... less than 10 jumps

[high trout]

I don't think 1 min of parkour in a puzzle room makes a difference

[wispy swan]

people at release said nobody would wanna do puzzle rooms

look what we have now

[stuck kayak]

id do that

[high trout]

I said by "do" more like build

[white merlin]

uurik is probably talking builder side

[stuck kayak]

can we get sequence sequence scrolls (normal sequence scrolls with a parkour and hard puzzle aswell)

[high trout]

theres been only 2 attempts at parkour rooms and they've been in a dev hell

[wispy swan]

fair

that still doesnt mean things that cant be put in their own niche should be shoved into others tho

[high trout]

man instead of complaining maybe just go parkour instead to learn basic parkouring

I really don't see why change a relatively easy parkour

[wispy swan]

no thanks

why would i learn something i do not like

just for 2 chests

[high trout]

I would say parkouring is one of the basic skills of minecraft

[wispy swan]

not vine parkour, no

that one's a bit rare within a normal scenario

[white merlin]

well feedback is how you improve content so i think its fair to do that

[high trout]

vine parkour is literally just holding space and sprinting

[high trout]

I suppose

[wispy swan]

sir im not expecting somebody to come to me rn and give me the two chests especially considering im out of the skr

what i want is something that is wrong imo to be fixed

if thats not what feedback threads are for, correct me

[white merlin]

that was 20 minutes ago

[high trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/978837654894415943.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[orchid briar]

a18 is just killing enemies

hycenea is just hitting a dummy for 3 minutes

[wispy swan]

hey hycenea isn't even that ironic...

[old flicker]

u dont even need to time jumps for vine parkour

[orchid briar]

idk i went through wine 5 times

[silver lake]

i moved the chests outside of the end of the parkour are you guys happy

[molten ginkgo]

probably

vine parkour for 29% of your puzzle loot feels bad

[silver lake]

instead of instantly erring towards toxicity, you could've sent a suggestion and been constructive about it. that's all we're asking for here

[wispy swan]

and you're gonna be telling me about toxicity? sure i guess

for record i have no issue with the msg in the ss, but by all means it is more toxic than everything i said

[silver lake]

that should not have been said either

my message doesn't only just apply to you

[wispy swan]

my attitude is sorta just frustrated rather than toxic

but whatever, glad we reached an agreement

[orchid briar]

Yes

Thanks the az one

[coral gale]

is it gonna be fixed tmr

cuz they are still there

[silver lake]

yes

[coral gale]

ty azeeone

[silver lake]

they will materialize out of thin air

[coral gale]

how about lorebook

[silver lake]

the lore book will still be after parkour

but parkour is like way easier and its also not the focus of the rooms

[rigid oyster]

Lore is fine imo

Idm having to do the parkour once, personally

I just really didnt wanna do it every time i rolled that room

[rigid oyster]

what's up with there being like 4 spawners in this section

[high trout]

What does it matter? Theres a chest there

Should there be more

[stuck kayak]

idk i run in for the chest and leave

[rigid oyster]

random gravel pile of lies 3:

[harsh hill]

my anxiety-ridden ass looking up every waterfall and digging every gravel wall

[rigid oyster]

because it's weird?

[high trout]

weird how exactly

[rigid oyster]

i mean, you're free to disagree but personally I find a bunch of unused space weird

there's 4 spawners out front and then a pile of empty buildings

[high trout]

the buildings don't have enough space to have any meaningful combat

not everything in a skr have to service as a "combat space"

[rigid oyster]

2nd gravel pile of lies 3:

[silver lake]

[high trout]

az1 you have caused paranoia among players due to hiding chests in gravel piles

[feral cliff]

is that the one right by the start?

with a path leading riiiiight up to it?

[high trout]

that looks like the start

there should be a whole ass room there

[rigid oyster]

yes

[feral cliff]

yeah dig further

[harsh hill]

oh this is so evil

[rigid oyster]

bruh

why would you do that

[feral cliff]

it was there from build shard, and I said why not

figured with the path it'd stand out

and it does, cause other people found it

[harsh hill]

oh I thought you were just fueling his "but WHAT IF there was something there" questions

didn't think he'd actually find something

[outer acorn]

the 2nd gravel pile is even more insidious because of how hard you had to look in the first one

[rigid oyster]

i did find it, it's the fact that it turns into wall that made me look away

also this SKR has 3 portals apparently

1

[high trout]

3 portals

[silver lake]

did he dig behind the start

[rigid oyster]

2

[high trout]

that first one should despawn

but doesn't

[rigid oyster]

3

[high trout]

[silver lake]

that's supposed to be concealed

[high trout]

this used to be the old entrance of the room

[silver lake]

the first one doesn't despawn anymore because it was bad for the server

it used to have a full anim

but server didnt like 16 structures spawning in a quick sequence

[rigid oyster]

also nvm this, i found the puzzle

[silver lake]

lol

[high trout]

I forgot there was a puzzle

[harsh hill]

~sug add misc Increase the difficulty on the SKR puzzle where you move an armor stand across ice in a maze-like shape, it's genuinely disappointing entering that room expecting a cool long puzzle

@silver lake ref do something

idk if I should suggest that or put it here

[silver lake]

idk how you increase the difficulty on tht ngl

[harsh hill]

cool

kill it

[silver lake]

maybe i should make a randomizer

[harsh hill]

or like make it longer

32x32 real

[silver lake]

32x32 one randomized path and the rest is a randomized mess

[harsh hill]

that would probably

be obvious

maybe idk

[high trout]

Waiting for memory bank buff

[stuck kayak]

Guys I have a better idea

[high trout]

[stuck kayak]

Delete everything except faraday cage

Please please please please please please please please

[silver lake]

imma buff shuffle by making it spawn random targets

in the air

[high trout]

Shuffle is so easy

A lot of the puzzles are probably on the easier side

[silver lake]

im scared of touching it because its already on the edge of being bad for the server perfs

[harsh hill]

is it because of how it works with u pressing wasd

because that's so weird

[high trout]

But tbh I rather have easy puzzles than hard ones that make my brain melt

[silver lake]

what

changed topics a little bit

[harsh hill]

oh nevermind

[harsh hill]

lord no 😭

I hate shuffle so much

my brain turns off

[harsh hill]

the scientist?

[silver lake]

going to make the cubes during the animation randomly change color and you have to click those too

[harsh hill]

math equation you have to solve midway

[stuck kayak]

The shulker towers with lasers

[harsh hill]

huh

oh is that a combat

[stuck kayak]

No

[harsh hill]

ok never seen that one then

[stuck kayak]

It’s like gray tess(?) puzzle but randomised

Or lg tess idk which

[harsh hill]

it's not the towers one is it

I think you mean that one

[silver lake]

what if i made shuffle make you have to remember two cubes instead of one

how hard would that make it

[harsh hill]

that's 0 to 1000

[silver lake]

i need to test this

[harsh hill]

having to keep track of two different cubes??

[silver lake]

oh my goodness

i lost it after two shuffles

[high trout]

[stuck kayak]

I feel like shuffle is just inherently uninteresting it’s just a waste of like a minute

[silver lake]

https://medal.tv/fr/games/minecraft/clips/k3tbMrgFNSxtrd6jb?invite=cr-MSw4TzMsMTk5MzIzNDAw

if someon e wants to try

i lost it after two shuffles and random guessed (only one of them)

its like impossible to follow it whenever the groups of 4 change diagonally

holy shit after a few tries i got it

[harsh hill]

Never add that king ♥️

[rigid oyster]

make each cube flash a specific color each once at the very start and then shuffle them and ask the player to point out a random cube of a specific color

[molten ginkgo]

mastermind but with every wrong guess the answer changes one block before giving new numbers

[silver lake]

thats impossible 💔

[hoary flint]

I think if this happened I would die on the spot

[hoary flint]

Hey, don't

[coral gale]

Focus. x Focus.

[remote nebula]

do not.

like im deadass

[white merlin]

this is so peak PLEASE add it

[high trout]

this is not peak please do not add it

[rigid oyster]

the exit display is so nice to have

[wary ivy]

Just wanna point out that since complaining about getting no puzzle scrolls I have now gone like 6-0 on puzzles

Grr I can't believe I haven't ever gotten 4 special astrals in a single dungeon before this is BS!

[weak gulch]

do challenge blue and 4 astrals will happen

[wary ivy]

I've done many an astral blue, think 2 or 3 is my max so far

[weak gulch]

i think i got 4 astrals and 2 twisteds once

[sturdy kernel]

real

in challenge blue i got 4 special astrals and 2 special twisted

[nova mango]

is this for real

[rigid oyster]

did the forgeway gravel chest get killed

[wary ivy]

🦀 👑

[rigid oyster]

what do magmortic praetians do exactly

it's kind of laggy and spams a lot of particles and sfxs

[high trout]

yes.

[mortal tartan]

i got four in my first ever astral delve

and nowadays it feels like i barely get one if i'm lucky

i didn't get a single one in the last two astral dungeons i've done

[silver lake]

yes

[mortal tartan]

idk if just me but the invisible glowing creepers in Blighted Isles long combat have weirdly loud custom hitsounds

not ear piercingly loud, but louder than most

[feral cliff]

good catch they're playing double

[mortal tartan]

ok good not just me

i also had split arrow on so it was playing 4x intended

separately from that i think its kind of awkward that falling down in that room just... does nothing

you're kinda just stuck down there and have to build up

[molten ginkgo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431314287785410561/1360671023736815907/3LRehoD.png

[mortal tartan]

nefarious, even

[mortal tartan]

he

[stuck kayak]

mildly confused about the intentions with sequence scrolls, are you supposed to get enough scroll frags to turn your scrolls into sequence every time you get them?

i feel like i usually have to buy the scroll frags for that but idk if its just because i dont really do daily content

[high trout]

yea I think

[wary ivy]

With how the scrolls are set up I don’t think there is ever a reason to just do normal scrolls, the long combat doubles the remnant frag count roughly and there’s nothing else to spend scroll frags on unless you really hate one type of scroll. The question is whether or not the current amount of scroll frags dropping is too much such that you always have enough.

If you get more than 12 on average by the time you get each scroll then every now and then you can buy a new scroll, if you get less than 12 on average though then it might incentivise using the market to buy scroll frags to run sequences instead of just using the base scrolls as they stock up. I don’t know the rates but ideally you should get equal amounts (ie 6x scroll drop rate) such that by the time you get two scrolls you get 12 frags for a sequence, then letting variance allow for market demand

[rigid oyster]

I dont like the long sequence meta as a side note

Puzzles r kinda my favorite part of skr and it feels bad losing money if i dont wanna do 2.5 combats per puzzle

[tacit urchin]

I want doin' a bunch of puzzles to be meta

or at least similarly profitable to sloggin' through two and a half combats that I don't wanna do per puzzle

[rigid oyster]

I think the 2 har fee to craft scroll frags into a scroll should be removed

[sturdy kernel]

long puzzle when (5d chess with multiverse time travel)

[rigid oyster]

Theyre kinda the main reason why sequences are meta

[tacit urchin]

I wish to train my brain on the latest and greatest concoctions of TM's puzzle sect

[stuck kayak]

id really love the inverse of current sequence scrolls with 2 puzzles and 1 combat

[tacit urchin]

SAME

if we can get a combat-puzzle-combat sequence

can we please get the inverse as well

[harsh hill]

another trade for puzzle-combat-harder puzzle could be cool

I think most people like the puzzles anyway

[tacit urchin]

SKR is the first time we've really gotten, like

[stuck kayak]

i think the biggest issue is that harder puzzles would be a lot more difficult to develop

[tacit urchin]

actual puzzle content that can be done for rewards

[rigid oyster]

Its pretty divided i think

[tacit urchin]

hit 'em with the White Tess Rubik's clock for the long puzzle

ez

[rigid oyster]

Ppl who play a lot tend to prefer puzzles to break up the gameplay

[sturdy kernel]

solve a white tess puzzle

[rigid oyster]

ppl who play less tend to be ok with combats

[ornate light]

long puzzles can easily be frustrating
a lot more than normal ones
I'd love harder puzzles but
just from my understanding of people

[rigid oyster]

Good thing sequences are craftable only so u can choose

[ornate light]

I suppose long and hard puzzles are pretty different though

[rigid oyster]

In a hypothetical scenario of long puzzle sequences

[tacit urchin]

I'd love to be able to have more puzzle-oriented sequence scrolls

[high trout]

I wish we had scrolls that only had long combat rooms

[snow wharf]

randomly generated sequence scrolls of 3 so everyones happy

[tacit urchin]

it's really nice to have something not combat-centric that I can get good rewards from
(something which Monu hasn't really had outside of fishin', and even that's not a sure science as much of your daily rewards from fishin' come from fish combats)

[snow wharf]

TOV!

[ornate light]

Monumenta is ctm mmo rpg for a reason

[harsh hill]

riptiding simulator

[thorny wharf]

True

[snow wharf]

non-combat centric, good rewards.

whats there not to love?

[harsh hill]

I think that'd create more "fuck I got 2 of the thing I hate"

[ornate light]

But then people gonna complain about not rolling what they want because of rng

[snow wharf]

people are saying "i wish this existed" which that would satisfy their wishes

[tacit urchin]

ToVs aren't real

[snow wharf]

it does exist! just not all the time

[tacit urchin]

you know it. I know it. the server knows it. the fifteen ToV sweats who are bettin' on it know it

[snow wharf]

what if instead of tov being a chest it was a portal into a room and it-

[stuck kayak]

theres something else you can do that avoids combat and gives good rewards 😁

[tacit urchin]

and what might that be 🤔

[stuck kayak]

(lootrunning)

[snow wharf]

dont say tov or fishing

oh...

[tacit urchin]

impressive

[orchid briar]

make long combat sequence and long puzzle sequence

[tacit urchin]

you managed to come up with an answer worse than ToVs

[ornate light]

What if tov is a boss that you have to gather your friends to beat

[orchid briar]

what if...

it has been like three weeks and people stopped bothering tbh

[rigid oyster]

Enough ppl still do it to fill 1-2 parties

But also that was a really fast tangent

[feral cliff]

I would feel comfortable fucking around with sequence scroll options if room rewards were standardized across the board

[rigid oyster]

8 for short, 12 for long so memory frag to scroll frag is 1:1

ez

[feral cliff]

8 for puzzles as well I suppose

[rigid oyster]

well i didnt want to rule out short and long puzzles

[tacit urchin]

long puzzles

[rigid oyster]

So i used “short” for normal skr rooms, long for whatever 3rd step is

idk

1 scroll frag is 1 memory frag and u just decide how u want to go back converting them, using short combat, short puzzle, long combat, whatever

[wary ivy]

Yeah, having several options for sequence scrolls, with their cost in scroll frags tied to how many remnant frags you get out of them would be fun. Like having a 2x long combat scroll for 14 scroll frags if someone just wants to go do that, or have like a 4x puzzle scroll etc. But yeah that would only be possible really if the outputs were standardised to prevent vast discrepancies

[rigid oyster]

It’d be like carnival tokens at that point i guess

where we have a fairly standardized conversion rate and ur just choosing how u accomplish said conversion

ToV-carnival-hoard 3 in 1

[wary ivy]

I don't think that's really an issue tbh, sweats can go for whichever is fastest, likely puzzles, people who hate puzzles can just do combats and people who want variety can pick that. You could still have "harder" scrolls that have a higher conversion rate if that needs to be the case

[rigid oyster]

I wasnt presenting it as an issue?

[wary ivy]

Fair, can't read tone through text

[soft mist]

Hard puzzle + Hard combat scroll

[rigid oyster]

I would way prefer a standardized rate allowing for u to choose how u convert

Compared to the current meta where anything not a sequence scroll loses money

[charred imp]

i tend to prefer the double combat room, but i'm also doing skrs for the player heads so if we want to make puzzle rooms survival mode i'd do those more too 😛

[white merlin]

that one frog head in find the button..

[rigid oyster]

Completing puzzle sets u to survival

Ez

[wary ivy]

Me bringing 64 stacks of tnt to blow up button room

[rigid oyster]

Wait no this doesnt work for the parkour i guess

Shrug

[wary ivy]

Only count it after 100% chests

[rigid oyster]

The parkour for mastermind is book only now

[true cave]

i hated puzzles before the release

but i have to say skr puzzles are so good

[rigid oyster]

so every skr room has a name right

how exactly do you get the name to pop back up after the initial teleport in

[high trout]

I don't think you can

[stuck kayak]

can this be changed to spleef you after you grab the chest instead

[feral cliff]

did you fall for the trap..

[stuck kayak]

i dont wanna talk about it

is it really a trap if its the intended way forward

if i find a bug that makes an easy puzzle even easier do i report it in #bug-reports or modmail

[cobalt dawn]

Mr

[outer acorn]

Unironically one of the most blatant traps in r3 btw

[stuck kayak]

Again is it really a trap when it is how you progress in the room

I expect it to not proc until after the chest because you need every chest but can skip spawners and I’d assume everyone mines spawners before opening chests

[outer acorn]

What can I say, just don't fall in until you loot it

[white merlin]

also is this about galos room

[stuck kayak]

Uhh what’s that

[white merlin]

the tubes

ball sort

whatever you want to call it

with the concrete powders

[high trout]

Forum puzzle knockoff

[stuck kayak]

Yeah

Has that been reported already

[silver lake]

if thats the bug already reported its fixed for next update :p

#bug-report-bot-feed message

[stuck kayak]

Nice I don’t have to bother reporting it myself

[ornate light]

im ngl there are so many traps that are in the main way forward I don't see the issue with that

[clear remnant]

Falling sand/gravel/powder traps are the most blatant traps ever which is why they're peak because they feel awesome to predict

and it's really hard to fall for them save for gravel traps I think because they kinda blend in with stone usually

[molten ginkgo]

gravity block traps when the entire area is made out of that gravity block as decoration

[weak lake]

Me falling for that one trap in the Tolumaeus...

[stuck kayak]

i think if u spam randomise the towers puzzle it can break it? i just had it refuse my solution then continue to refuse it twice after randomising again then i spammed randomise and it worked

[harsh hill]

I think there can be multiple solutions and you have to match the one set? Not sure

[stuck kayak]

idk i checked with solver and it said there was 1 solution

and i couldnt see any others either

[rigid oyster]

this was true on release but is not anymore, the puzzle checks for alternate solutions now

[wary ivy]

I have combed over the entirety of Tal Amar 3 times, even started breaking through walls that look anything like doorways and I am yet to find the book lectern, am I going crazy

[old flicker]

can u describe the room

[white merlin]

should be in the starting area, in a building to the right

if i recall correctly which room it is

still before the first actually spawnered area, in the big cave where the end is as well

you can go through the houses on the right and if you explore a bit you can find the book in one of said houses

[wary ivy]

The only cube of space I didn't fucking dig into

I'm gonna lose it

I've been here an hour

At least I was right into thinking there wasn't any pathway in and you had to break in

[white merlin]

i think theres a staircase though, but i might misremember

[wary ivy]

Blocks off by stair blocks at the least from every angle

I probably should have found it

Just jesus

[cursive sphinx]

Nothing beats the hidden lectern in that one Galos room

[wary ivy]

Lottery ticket I fear..

[rigid oyster]

this tnt spawner broke

[mortal ember]

did you die while doing this room at all?

after breaking that spawner

because if so i noticed that the organ tends to regenerate for whatever reason sometimes, dying may be triggering it

[rigid oyster]

i did die

that's a weird bug

[mortal ember]

there's no structure block or anything in that room so.... not sure what would be causing it, might be a weird skr death mechanic

[molten ginkgo]

generic blast regeneration mechs causing awkwardness where area destruction is intended progression?

[ornate light]

I think I encountered it once too
you can now play the music again
I did die also I'm pretty sure

[white merlin]

i think all tnt damage gets undone when stuff is unloaded

[wary ivy]

Just got grave camped about 5 times in The Forgeway, do the hexcrafters have to have a damage line that not only does a fuck ton of damage by itself, but also can deal a second instance of damage before you can leave the hitbox and then also give you 5 seconds of wither pretty much guaranteeing you get to below half health even if you only get hit once?

This is definitely a ragepost for sure, but just in general the SKR mobs are a real detraction from my enjoyment of the content honestly. Having absurd stat bloat on a low amount of mobs is much less enjoyable than increased mob numbers with more sane stat values. Fighting 1 on 1 vs a non-elite enemy that can easily kill me in 3, sometimes 2 hits while surviving my 260 damage BMB doesn't feel good 😢

[high trout]

rogues when they can't one shot everything

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-im-on-your-side-in-your-eyes-mexican-gif-22009937

[wary ivy]

When I'm burning half my cooldowns on a single basic enemy... yeah I expect it to die in 1 shot

[grizzled sun]

agree with tk for the hexcrafter

it hit so hard...

[wary ivy]

It's specifically the first gravel drop where if you're being careful to collect the chest + mine the spawners it can easily spawn twice below you before you drop down and then just nuke you while you try to kill the 5 other mobs in that tiny room who are melee and will block your path to the hexcrafter

[high trout]

I personally find skr mobs more fun since they aren't just 10 enemies attacking on you at the same time

each enemy feels like an actualy threat

[wary ivy]

Potentially needs a spawn range adjustment so it only spawns when you drop, but that whole encounter is just a bit rough with the hexcrafters camping a tight space, they can easily just block off the door with their ability

[orchid briar]

hexcrafters are a bit funny but i personally didnt encounter an enemy in skr that survives bmb except like

boss

and 750 hp elite

i also personally prefer this kind of mob distribution when its less mobspam and more stronger individual mobs

hexcrafters in particular are probably the toughest enemy in skrs tho

[wary ivy]

Maybe it'd be a different story on a different class but for me the SKR combats especially mobs with wither just means I have to back up and heal after fighting like 3 basic non-elite enemies

Having some enemies be much stronger as like a halfway between basic and elite enemies are good for content imo, but when every enemy hits like a truck and most have a sizable health pool it just doesn't feel good to me

[wary ivy]

There are at least a handful of mobs in SKR that survive my FoL buffed DT + BMB combo

[orchid briar]

damn

idk are you running coup

and whats the build

[wary ivy]

Doesn't work on reverb so sadly no

As I said it does 260 damage in my build

Clockblade + 148% damage

[high trout]

260 dmg full combo?

[orchid briar]

i run coup and +237% on clockblade

idk i dont think assasin is playable at 148%

very oneshot dependant class

[wary ivy]

Ya I don't wanna be built like a piece of raw pasta though, but it seems like I'm both under damaged according to you and still dying in 3 hits unless I play like it's amped coven fort

[orchid briar]

mmm i feel like swapping out one piece will actually help you live

[wary ivy]

My build seems to work perfectly fine for pretty much every other content in the game so idk

[orchid briar]

i do die in two hits but mobs die in one

[orchid briar]

well sometimes we have to adapt

variety is welcome i think

[high trout]

rogue is kinda just cooked class rn

[wary ivy]

I'm not sure the intention for SKR is to have to make a whole new build for it

[old flicker]

starblight combat rooms are much easier compared to other types

[orchid briar]

maybe not

[high trout]

I have not encountered a single starblight combat room yet '

[orchid briar]

but skrs are technically endgame right now

[high trout]

I think I have like 30 skr combat room clears

[old flicker]

post sirius even

[orchid briar]

it is only fair that they are highest base stats mobs

[high trout]

skrs are meant to be hard I think

[orchid briar]

^

I personally expected a challenge from skrs and while its not exactly what i had in mind i think they are in good state as is

[high trout]

some rooms have real challenge tbh

[wary ivy]

They surely shouldn't be pushovers, I just don't enjoy this style of difficulty in mob design. I'm of course gonna keep running the content because I love the design of it, just gotta put up with the combats until higher masterworks come I guess

[orchid briar]

hexbreaker i could see being toned down

[high trout]

like actually fun and interesting encounters

[tidal wing]

bronze mask

[orchid briar]

i guess

treat it more like a challenge then

[high trout]

may I ask whats your ehp range?

since I get 3 shotted in my glasscanon scout build

[orchid briar]

i enjoy when game actually challenges me and not when i go to fatekeeper and tap the funny enable all delve mods

[wary ivy]

My magic is for sure low hence maybe the hexcrafter issue, but my melee/proj is 200 odd

[wary ivy]

I would say the same thing 🙂

[burnt pulsar]

A sense of difficulty with 0 delve mods is so very nice

SKR mobs are well designed in general I would say

[high trout]

I also like that each enemy feels unique, instead of your standard melee or proj troop with just different vanity

[stuck kayak]

the constant poison/wither/hunger gets annoying yeah

and i think some mobs give blindness

[feral cliff]

I don’t think any give blindness

I take that back theres a unique mob encounter in a Galos room with inky mushroom men who blind

but thats a one off

[rigid oyster]

Dont the endermen elites apply some kind of blind effect

[rigid oyster]

I hate these things

They do over 100 dps

[silver lake]

Bronze Mask is definetely goofy

[high trout]

they inflict darkness I believe

[rigid oyster]

The healing evoker is also kinda oppressive for a lot of builds

I just dont bother to fight it anymore, i ignore it and go

You either have the burst to kill it or u dont

[stuck kayak]

iirc theres creepers that give blindness when they explode or something?

mostly the wither/poison was annoying

[high trout]

They also give mining fatigue

[rigid oyster]

Oh yeah the isharist pool

Why do the isharist enemies give more debuffs than the galos one

[old flicker]

heals should have a cd on it

[tacit urchin]

in a region where the novelty of "delve everything" has become the standard
to have some properly difficult and engagin' content w/ no delve mods in the equation whatsoever is very nice

[stuck kayak]

any chance skr rare to mat trade could be buffed a little

[feral cliff]

whats it at right now

[snow wharf]

rare is 3 mats i think

[stuck kayak]

^

[feral cliff]

will bump up with another change

[stuck kayak]

ty

[wary ivy]

Can confirm playing another class changed things completely, shredded the entire long combat from this sequence scroll with barely any sweat or effort put in. Maybe I should just not bother with rogue in content higher than 12pt equivalents

[stuck kayak]

💔

[white merlin]

@high trout i know what you are

[high trout]

[wary ivy]

Is the intention for this ice slider puzzle (Outsmarted) for you to leave the control area and manually trigger the string with your character instead of the armour stand..?

I managed to glitch the lower right piston by spamming down after going into it which let my armour stand leave without getting trapped

But it seems like it's just an extremely simple "stand in these 2 places then slide it to the pressure plate

[cursive sphinx]

Likely not, but short of barriering off the puzzle, I can't think of a particularly good way prevent it

[wary ivy]

But it's impossible without manually standing places as far as I can tell, if you go to press the strings that progress the redstone block, your armour stand gets stuck there. The only options are going as fast as possible to try and get it out before it shuts, or standing there as your player and just ignoring the blocking off part

[cursive sphinx]

But it's impossible without manually standing places
That definitely should not be a thing, but I can't say for sure

[wary ivy]

Yeah seems odd for sure. I mean I guess based on the name it could be some kind of "think outside the box" puzzle, but it just means it's absurdly easy

[dense pendant]

are Totems of Transposing disabled in SKRs

[high trout]

even if they weren't how would you even use it since skrs are purely solo

[molten ginkgo]

some of the skr boxes are very close to each other

[silver lake]

no one is in the same instance ever

[dense pendant]

isn’t there one SKR where you can see the other SKR from the skybox

[high trout]

Yes, there are multiple infact

[vapid bane]

You can see the other boxes but there aren’t ever going to be several players in one world, each world has all skrs (which of only one is playble) and each player has their own world

[grizzled sun]

Does cord same?

[vapid bane]

Yeah, it’s a big world with all the skrs, and when you create a instance the world is cloned and you enter the clone world, same coords and all

[tidal wing]

in "Drillsite Cliff" the miners do not emerge out of the wall as they spawn and instead spawn directly outside them, leaving their spawners covered in gravel

[wicked pendant]

Did that ome last week with mo such issue.

[stuck kayak]

can confirm

[white merlin]

ngl i thought thats intentional considering the spawner placements are hinted towards with sus gravel

[stuck kayak]

is there any way i can undo this

i liked having the message in logs to help with timing things

[silver lake]

if you want i can add a way to reenable it at the keeper

[grizzled sun]

what's a good way to deal this phantom elite spawner, at least rn i don't find it fair as i need pillar up to that spawner while that phantom is bombing me

[high trout]

bring 4 ires

or movement ability

and if you play scout you can very easily pillar there

only classes that might suffer is warlock, shaman and cleric
-# and mage without cry havoc

[grizzled sun]

sorry i didn't make it clear

i am asking if i am play melee, no movement class

[high trout]

pink tesseract maybe

or light blue tesseract

[grizzled sun]

i don't know who design this encounter but i generally think it should be lower so the phantom spawner is more reachable

[high trout]

or maybe the phantom shouldn't be invincible

[grizzled sun]

that

[orchid briar]

ire - loom

or bait attack then pillar

[grizzled sun]

when soultion come with epic I always think is a faliure, it work surely, but is not good

sadly i don't grind leaderboard so i have less chance meet that room, will see how it goes next time

[orchid briar]

i like the design of that encounter ngl

but i dislike the mob choice

[grizzled sun]

same

[sturdy kernel]

replace it with a vex that drops tnt instead