#QC4 items

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wide nexus
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This will be a quick one.

QC4 items are currently very hard on the wrists since they require an unwieldy clicking rhythm to use, which limits their usage, even if they are well balanced in theory. Given that iframes are (to my knowledge) current capped at 1/4th of a second, giving all QC4 items QC5 would not change max dps output in the slightest, but it would greatly increase the usability of these items.

(also even if this makes witchbane and failnaught slightly better they already aren't great statwise relative to competition so I think that's fine)

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(also also if this gets implemented I would be willing to eat a base damage nerf if we REALLY REALLY REALLY need it for some reason)

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actually if you think about it this is literally a nerf because now it's super easy to misfire a blank shot during iframes/at nothing

quasi basin
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I believe projectile iframes are 0.5s, there was a suggestion which got rejected to lower it to 0.25s

wide nexus
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wait what

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💀 💀 💀

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so there is literally no point in having qc4 weapons?

quasi basin
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sug-11595

wise quail
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QC4 can still hit 0.5s iframes

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wrist moment

stray bobcat
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i think putting qc5 on would probably be fine

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maybe a quick cooldown if it's necessary, but in a way that's not the current method of "you are just BEGGING for a repetitive stress injury"

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like recoil's cooldown when sneak-firing

wide nexus
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I actually really like witchbane in concept, esp since it gets rid of the absolutely crippling qc4 penalty from failnaught

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but it's unusable in practice for reasons external to gameplay balancing

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I recorded my mouse hand playing witchbane that one time and you can visibly see my index finger tendon popping out of my skin 3-4 times per second

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that is optimal conditions for repetitive stress injury

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esp since you have to apply pressure with each press

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and each input has to happen in very quick succession

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so there's no actual time for your index finger to readjust to its new position

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💀

stray bobcat
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i've never tried witchbane in monumenta, but i tested qc4 in vanilla for a bit and i was never actually able to get to 4 shots per second anyway

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it felt like it behaved the exact same as qc3

wide nexus
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you can get close to 4 shots per second pretty easily if you time it right and have low ping

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but actually playing at 4 shots per second will absolutely destroy your wrist

azure flint
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~sug add turn QC 4+ into snowballs that shoot arrows so you can just hold them down

wide nexus
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~sug add turn QC 4+ into QC5 with 0.25sec cooldown, similar to recoil cooldown

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yeah idrc what gets implemented

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I just want people to avoid using witchbane for intended reasons (it is a bad weapon)

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not for unintended reasons (physiologically damaging)

solar violet
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witchbane is just overall annoying

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and qc rapid fire archetype wepaons in general

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too many arrow too much wrist pain and no one has been talking about how u spend so much more time loading ur bow and feeling slow compared to weapons that just shoot and kill the mob instantly

wide nexus
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qc5 💬 🦣

slender island
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If only there was an enchant that let you load a crossbow and have it fire multiple times in quick succession

stray bobcat
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surely theres not actual plans for revolver to get multiload though

quasi basin
chilly nest
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given that the first mention of multiload in monucord was around the time r3 luanched i feel that if witchbane was gonna get it it would have it by now

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unless TM wants to lock multiload to epic and legendary items only

marble valve
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legalize crossbow macros

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bake autofire into UMM and call it a day

honest spear
dense robin
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@frank patrol I recall discussing a witchbane change with you prior to this so I’d like to hear your two cents if possible

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I am of the opinion that it is a playstyle that should exist, but not in its current form.

marble valve
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THE FINGERBREAKER

pale jetty
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Wristbane

brazen kite
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oh my glorb just leave it as is.

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qc3 is too slow for witchbane and qc5 is a full auto rifle

azure flint
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On one hand, I get to do subpar DPS
On the other hand, I get to break my wrist
Which side shall prevail

honest spear
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turn witchbane into a 4 throw rate snowball. what could go wrong

brazen kite
dawn dock
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timing

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if it was just cps then half this server is wynncraft players they should have it on lockdown

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and yet

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and even at that rate idk if a lot of the scout players want to handle 5 cps right clicking

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well clearly not

brazen kite
dawn dock
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lacerate and multi when they take half a century to finish

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fact is most people seem to see it as a pretty annoying and artificial drawback to the weapon

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and if you play it awfully misdrawing everywhere it looks terrible and becomes the butt of jokes

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so they want and value it gon

inland dew
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what if instead we just buffed qc4 items damage and made them all quick draw 3

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idk if I would like having to spam right clock to run a qc5 revolver even if it is easier then before

dawn dock
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well itll hit iframes you just draw it without an awkward timing motion

lament tartan
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If it was qc 5 it would make lore sense as a gun!

inland dew
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isnt quick charge 3 already slow enough to not run into Iframes issues?

honest spear
dawn dock
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that being said maybe that is too much mobility freedom tho

dawn dock
honest spear
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i mean if you want to look at mobility freedom. look at how screwdriver is designed

lament tartan
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Screw driver does like 130 dps with baladin

dawn dock
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this would “need” to receive some nerfs due to being a real gun then (custom arrows)

inland dew
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screwdriver is epic because I can just hold right mouse button down

honest spear
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this is a massive damage compromise for the sake of being able to run and gun

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drive and driver

inland dew
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effective 23 dps vs portal core 21.5, only caveat is I frames not letting it pair with other projectile weapons as well.

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it feels kind of balanced, at least as far as snowballs go (I think they are universally overpowered)

dawn dock
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throw 2 in between greatspear throws

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-manmonke

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looks like it perfectly obeys iframes and should be able to mix

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just cant throw anything in between

inland dew
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I think for hunter thats right ya

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quickdraw no, its too fast

dawn dock
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qd screwdriver is already a loss

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“alright so this skill instantly shoots your shots, use the slow weapon that takes time to get its shots”