For the Balance Update on July 4th, 2024:

[slate surge]

its rips

[merry bane]

what a sad state of affairs

[slate surge]

veils

[cyan relic]

LMFAO

[near hollow]

Wait, will all of the R3 items turn into Epic eventually?

[hot elm]

Veil is useless wtf 💀

[cyan relic]

Boreas Mattock wasn't a god fearing pick.

[tough kettle]

...

[hot elm]

Why are we talking about veil

[slate surge]

because

idk

[cyan relic]

So it was sent to capital G himself

[median beacon]

everything in r3 is gonna get to legendary at masterwork 7

[slate surge]

go outside and look at the fireworks if ur american

[gleaming moth]

i love my veilripper, but i'm definitely not running full speed into everything

[oak tangle]

Then coc should be reworked if or when r2 items are usable in r3 instead of nerfing them now

[cyan relic]

why is there so many boreas mattock fans all of a sudden

[slate surge]

boreas is doomed anyways

[hot elm]

Also why not just wait until r2 can be joined to r3 to nerf mattock?

[slate surge]

i was always a boreas fan dont get it wrong

[boreal verge]

why does the compatibility of CoC items from r2 with the masterwork system even matter when they’re in two isolated gamemodes essentially

[cyan relic]

Let the pick part from this mortal coil in peace 🥲

[merry bane]

everyone's coming out of the woodwork to defend their aoe slowing pickaxe that is also coincidentally the fastest pick in the game

[boreal verge]

you cant use an r2 pickaxe in r3 so whats the impact of removing it??

[old needle]

for the future when they make them not isolated and allow r2 in r3

[slate surge]

i always loved boreas i didnt appear outta nowhere

[gleaming moth]

people tend to not talk about things they see as extremely powerful in case people notice it, so it probably avoided discussions until it was impacted

[slate surge]

its fun pick

[merry bane]

it's faster than fucking ex stoneborn for gods sake

look what happened to THAT

[cyan relic]

real

[hot elm]

It’s an r2 item who cares

[slate surge]

i mean

[cyan relic]

Can we talk about how Berserker still has kill aura?

[slate surge]

at least ex stoneborn is still a pick

[worldly ferry]

the people who play r2?

[slate surge]

boreas is prob a bad helm now that will be forgotten

[hot elm]

Eh it wasn’t used tbh

[kind pendant]

but why region lock removal tho?

[hot elm]

Coc armor are better

[gleaming moth]

sounds like it was quite used

[worldly ferry]

bis proj agi had no coc slot, so you could use mattock

[valid topaz]

that demographic exists

?

[hot elm]

Ah

[boreal verge]

in the future there’ll be other item releases to compete with it tho, I dont feel like eff 4 iron is that big of a problem esp when theres so much room for progression with mw on the existing pickaxes in r3

[cyan relic]

THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH

[merry bane]

estar is bis because of versatile sorry

[slate surge]

ew scout

[hot elm]

Maybe in just a shaker lover

[upper ether]

shattershine isnt that slow

[worldly ferry]

yes, in case you didn't know in your cleric sphere

[valid topaz]

pickaxes will finally be interesting

[cyan relic]

Shattershine's next.

[slate surge]

nutcracker had 1% more proj damage with versatile goofy

[upper ether]

I mean like

[valid topaz]

in 1.21.1

[slate surge]

25% vs 24%

[oak tangle]

boreas was sooo underrated we were trying to keep it quiet so people didn’t hear about this niche strong item

[upper ether]

I don't even use the fast pickaxes usually its never above e1 gold really

[merry bane]

versatile is weird and it calculates differently

[pastel steppe]

I will say, that even though I did not use mattock, I liked how there used to be an insensitive to NOT use COC in your build.

[upper ether]

im still an earthshaker guy

[hot elm]

Yeah we have like 2-3 levels to go on picks, r3 picks should be better than that by then

[upper ether]

and an overclcoker guy

[merry bane]

it's why argentum is actually bis in r3

[slate surge]

also sgreed is bis lmao

[merry bane]

correct

[oak tangle]

Was*

[worldly ferry]

sgreed is also bis by like, 1%?

[cyan relic]

I'm Shattershine #1 fan

[civic sinew]

Are ability damage modifiers additive now? Like the lesser +10% <damaging ability's damage> and such

[hot elm]

Argentum is meh

[upper ether]

im kind of an adrenaline averse guy so eh

[merry bane]

however, I'm not sure how versatile handles post additive changes

[upper ether]

but its like

[cyan relic]

adrenaline and good mining speed is sooo smooth

[upper ether]

fast enough for everything

[gleaming moth]

think it's just going to be a generally unfavored to have pick speeds slowed down, but given we were already testing the limits of where we could go halfway through r3, it makes sense that things are backing off a bit

[slate surge]

yeyes but speed more agi uhhh more versatile

[cyan relic]

i love my pacing

[hot elm]

Kingslayer can compete!

[oak tangle]

With everything being additive it’ll probably be worse and versatile will be useless

[valid topaz]

so uhh

are we going to do anything about FoL

[civic sinew]

I'm slightly worried about the big minus damage charms being mitigated by other numbers in the same category (pots, vuln)

[slate surge]

soon i think

[merry bane]

it's being debated

[slate surge]

if it isnt changed

then like rip fol

and rip binah leaves

[tight eagle]

Charm stats are separate I believe

[daring halo]

Fol will live

[merry flame]

all the boreas stockers dang

[oak tangle]

It’d be nice if temporary 100% infusion refunds could be offered specifically for reworked items because i now have a full infused helmet that I have no use for

[merry flame]

should i purchase one for legacy collection

[slate surge]

remember boreas mattock

[merry flame]

nah im sleep

[hot elm]

Yeah can we get free infusions back

[civic sinew]

Also mmm tenacity seems valuable now does it

[hot elm]

I need to rework all my sets now 😔

[tribal dagger]

No, charms are still separate

[civic sinew]

Good

[tight eagle]

Yeah or the blizzard charm is gonna go crazy

[civic sinew]

As said above I was afraid of negative penalties being cancelled shenanigans lol

Exactly urn comes to mind

[hot elm]

Who do I go to to request full infusions refund

[civic sinew]

The value of infusion stays the exact same right?

[oak tangle]

You lose exp

[slate surge]

yes but additive

[hot elm]

Eh but gear is useless now so I need to rebuild my sets

[vocal wadi]

shouldn't infusions get some buff? believe they are too week now compare to their cost

[civic sinew]

Yes additive of course

[hot elm]

They were always like that, now they are just worse 🤷

[civic sinew]

x1.225 damage for investing into a set was something

[slate surge]

infusions WERE good

[civic sinew]

That's only the basic infusions

[vocal wadi]

nah they were good

[hot elm]

I’m not saying they weren’t

[slate surge]

were being the keyword

[cyan relic]

There's still good?

[hot elm]

Kinda useless now

[cyan relic]

?

[worldly ferry]

what

[cyan relic]

Bro

[vocal wadi]

a full set of infusion can increase your damage from +130 to +200

[slate surge]

i spent so much on pdias

[cyan relic]

Idk abt u

[hot elm]

They aren’t terrible but they aren’t as good

[cyan relic]

but 20% dmg is 20% dmg

[median beacon]

normal infusions seem ok but 5% for a maxed delve infusion seems kinda low

[vocal wadi]

but not now

[worldly ferry]

don't use infusions or delve infusions now

:)

[hot elm]

I’m talking about delve infusions

[slate surge]

and now its additive so like yeajh

[hot elm]

Not normal

[vocal wadi]

lf refund 😦

[slate surge]

fuuuck

[hot elm]

Normal infusions aren’t infusions those are givens

[cyan relic]

O then yeah they're kind of a flop now

[slate surge]

i just bought a ton of shattered masks for decap

[hot elm]

Delve infusions are now a lot worse

[tight eagle]

I’ve been on the side of infusions are just too strong and mandatory

[cyan relic]

still extra damage to shoehorn though so i can't complain

[slate surge]

infused it

and now my decap is worthless

[worldly ferry]

something about complaining about infusions not giving +100 damage

[hot elm]

Why is it bad they are strong, they are also very expensive

[slate surge]

they never did....

[cyan relic]

becoz they're just minmaxing

[worldly ferry]

damage is damage.

[outer phoenix]

Infusion nerf means that Sirius/Revelation is less important

[cyan relic]

REAL

[slate surge]

apparently in this game expensive can mean good or complete shit

[tribal dagger]

Infusions were changed

[cyan relic]

Less obligated to play Sirius...

[tribal dagger]

Changelog forgot them for some reason

[slate surge]

were delve infusions changed

[worldly ferry]

un masterwork your sets too.

[hot elm]

Do you even play the game anymore 💀

[worldly ferry]

thats money spent that could be going anywhere else

[slate surge]

bc 5% additive is weak

[tribal dagger]

• Vigor, Focus, and Perspicacity now scale with region: 0.75% more damage per level -> 1% in R1, 1.25% in R2, 1.5% in R3

[gleaming moth]

it's incredibly expensive in some other mmos to get some just above negligible impacts, such is most of the nature of gear improvements

[worldly ferry]

yeah i do

[cyan relic]

WTF

[hot elm]

I just want full refund on infusions

[kind pendant]

huge

[hot elm]

Can we get that please 🙏

[tribal dagger]

So 24% in r1, 30% in r2, 36% in r3

[civic sinew]

Oh wow 45% added damage from infusion that's... Something.

[cyan relic]

I thought it was meant to shift power away from infusions

[worldly ferry]

don't add full refund

[hot elm]

Why not

[worldly ferry]

be funny i think

[hot elm]

They always do that for big changes

[daring halo]

Suffer remove exp levels for this week

[vocal wadi]

stacks of har result in 36% damage

[hot elm]

Wait this exists rn?

[hot grotto]

for 3 full weeks. make it so that infusions are now 0% refund

[tribal dagger]

Changelog is missing it

[worldly ferry]

is that not literally what people do for cz.

[hot elm]

GG!!!

[civic sinew]

Anything with delve infusion?

[cyan relic]

What about delve infusions

[hot grotto]

you can remove the infusion. but you get nothing back. pdia is also eaten completly.

[hot elm]

Still need to uninfuse

[tribal dagger]

Unchanged

[cyan relic]

oh

[vocal wadi]

wait that's true

🤯

[tribal dagger]

For now anyways

[sleek goblet]

might be something to keep an eye on yeah

[civic sinew]

Guess we will have to wait and see

[boreal verge]

super cool frozenearth 👍

[vocal wadi]

but that used to be double

[tribal dagger]

Yeah I imagine plenty of stuff is gonna come in the following weeks

[cyan relic]

well

[vocal wadi]

like +70% or sth

[hot elm]

👌🏼

[tribal dagger]

So don't liquidate all your items just yet lol

[cyan relic]

dmg infusin 4 is like 6%,

so it's close to something like execution me thinks

[hot elm]

I’m liquidating 😭

[cyan relic]

I'm liquidating your liver

[boreal verge]

can I have a delve infusion that is the equivalent of decap on scout now pls kthx

[civic sinew]

Remember revelation+ understanding so it's still effectively 5 max if you want to use it

[worldly ferry]

no

[tribal dagger]

Free damage delve infusions are dubious

[worldly ferry]

kill scou

[hot elm]

Yeah why is scout infusion list so bad

[kind pendant]

scout thing

[worldly ferry]

aura + choler

[tribal dagger]

Does scout deserve it

[worldly ferry]

pb range

[boreal verge]

i deserve it 🥺

[kind pendant]

no u dont

[tribal dagger]

Do you?

[hot elm]

Nerf scout > add infusion > everyone happy

[slate surge]

yes!!!!

[tight eagle]

Because it just makes endgame further from mid game
And sometimes just because you didn’t max infusions you would have a really hard time to a point it cannot be covered by skills
Imagine some content people just be like yeah I don’t want you in the party because you didn’t max infusions

It’s a design choice of how strong it should be
But if infusions is suppose to be a “get it if you can, don’t if you don’t mind” thing
It is too strong

[worldly ferry]

do you play cz niamn

[boreal verge]

u play scout too

mfw

[daring halo]

Can we make the game hard again it feels too easy.

[hot elm]

It’s never been like this though

[cyan relic]

True can we bring back old twisted

[boreal verge]

dont lie u love it

[worldly ferry]

god no

[old needle]

anyway im gonna leave this here, this is going to be an unpopular opinion but a lot of balance devs and a lot of other people on here as well have a view of balancing as “if it’s too hard for you skill issue.” i just want to play the game. people play video games to have FUN and i think a lot of people have lost the plot talking about “meta defining” and “broken” items. “hey this playstyle/piece of gear/skill is fun to use and can be used effectively—” “DEATH” is not really in the interest of fun

and no this isn’t boreas cope, i’ve never touched it

[daring halo]

Can we have both actually

[cyan relic]

Ngl I hate fun

[boreal verge]

haste nerf be like

[daring halo]

I love a great challenge (I’m hella persistence)

[hot elm]

I’ve played through the game with a group at the level where we should be. And tbh I never felt like I was too weak for a piece of content without infusions. Ofc once I infused, it became easier but it also cost me an arm and a leg to get them so I felt like I achieved something and it was worth grinding for.

[boreal verge]

we’re going to slow down the game so u can stare at the spawner for longer and think about what ur doing with ur life

[candid pike]

We should make the game overall the worst experience ever

[hot elm]

The goal!!!

[candid pike]

Earlygame is too tough? Make it worse

[hot elm]

Yeah I never got that

[slate surge]

early game isnt that hard tho

[hot elm]

But not my decision

[slate surge]

on an alt

[daring halo]

Early game starting out is hard (for the first time(

[slate surge]

it just wasnt that hard

[fallow harbor]

will fol get a buff？

[slate surge]

ok true prob

[hot elm]

You also have experience

[worldly ferry]

early game is not hard also is because experience

[candid pike]

It’s like the biggest filter ever dude, especially for people with no experience with CTMs or Monumenta

[hot elm]

There’s a reason the white clear % is so low

[slate surge]

yeah mb oopsies

i shouldve thought abt that

[worldly ferry]

if you haven't ever done like a ctm, or even pve content, its really difficult

[slate surge]

but like

[old needle]

early game of anything is going to be annoying that’s just how it is, it would take a lot of money to make me play white in tiereds again

[slate surge]

honestly my FIRST time playing monu

my first white didnt feel that bad

[daring halo]

And that was fun.

[slate surge]

i never played any ctm before

basically hsb and wynn before monu

[cyan relic]

girliepop i rage quitted on my first white attempt 😭

[hot elm]

I can’t say anything because I cleared with a big group

[worldly ferry]

that was the best experience ever

[slate surge]

it was hard

but not stupid hard

[cyan relic]

i had to come back months (years?) to clean my mind

[hot elm]

But early game wasn’t bad with more than 3

[daring halo]

Now it’s just kill… profit… inflation

[tight eagle]

I had a hard time
And I loved it 😁

[boreal verge]

where did all these friends go huh

[worldly ferry]

yeah basically

[boreal verge]

i aint seen em

[hot elm]

Quit

Monkey was one of them

Dumb

[slate surge]

honestly highwatch t5s make white way too easy

[daring halo]

I loved playing solo other then when I did orange I made a friend and that was nice

[slate surge]

they are just pretty powerful and tanky

[boreal verge]

oooga booga

[hot elm]

Omg

[daring halo]

What huh

[slate surge]

the harpoon FIFTEEN damage

[hot elm]

Ong*

[old needle]

you know what? if you think the game is too easy, handicap yourself. take off a piece of gear, drink Curse of the Dark Souls, whatever. but stop trying to drag everyone else down with you just because you’re bored. this goes for @worldly ferry as well

[worldly ferry]

what

[gleaming moth]

isn't highwatch like, pretty far in the progression path away from white dungeon

[slate surge]

+4 max hp with dualsun and 12 armor

[worldly ferry]

i've never said the game was too easy?

[slate surge]

people told me to go to highwatch

[old needle]

both of you guys can stop with the “too easy for me so make it hard for everyone else” stuff

[candid pike]

I cleared solo and white wasn’t that bad (I cheesed the absolute hell out of it since I bought like a shit ton of Macuahuitls from lowtide)

[slate surge]

idk i just asked for what to do

[kind pendant]

dont ask

[slate surge]

i shouldnt have

[worldly ferry]

I thought we were talking about first clear white experience?

[candid pike]

It’s very far off yeah

[cyan relic]

Bro im on every attriba debuff, drinking breachpoint coffee and is cursed with the dark soul

How can I make this game any harder !

[slate surge]

yes that was my first clear white experience

[old needle]

cloth armor

[slate surge]

highwatch t5s being kinda busted

[oak tangle]

I cleared white as intended and honestly the biggest issue for me was just navigation

[daring halo]

Yeah

[plush ice]

Let's not begin an argument about this

[candid pike]

I bought so many Macuahuitls…

[worldly ferry]

I'm genuinely confused about what chroma is referring to

[slate surge]

macuahuitils is unironically so good

7 damage

[gleaming moth]

if you hit highwatch and bought t5s before white, you got extremely lost

[slate surge]

0.5 less than jreq

[slate surge]

people told me to go there

[old needle]

why not? nobody else ever wants to talk about it but it is a large issue in balancing

[slate surge]

i was just confused, asked for help, and i just grinding a 1 star poi for like 48cxp

[gleaming moth]

people told you a means to bypass the difficulty of white for fairly cheap 😛

[plush ice]

Because the game is advertised as fairly difficult to begin with?

[outer phoenix]

this is a balance update reaction post not #gameplay-discussion

[hot elm]

True!!!!

[candid pike]

TRUE!!!!

[slate surge]

honestly i shouldnt have asked

[old needle]

no? not really

[candid pike]

Anyways balance stuff

Let’s get back to it

[old needle]

i got here from a derail video

[tight eagle]

Anyways balance stuff

[gleaming moth]

chat is a bit of a risky bet on what responses you get. But yes, back to balance

[worldly ferry]

sorry for talking then I guess, can't talk about first clear white expierence then

[old needle]

at no point was i told “we are approaching dark souls”

[hot elm]

I got here from a trailer I found. It was not advertised to be that difficult

[slate surge]

no talk i want to hear

[boreal verge]

i got here after experiencing crippling depression fr fr, (please dont nerf haste again)

[slate surge]

what happened to haste

[hot elm]

They don’t like mining spawner

[old needle]

last month consumable nerfs

everything is shorter and worse

[hot elm]

Anything that supports mining fast is nerfed because it doesn’t fit the idea for the game they want

[boreal verge]

please differentiate between actual difficulty and just making things more tedious, ‘slowing down” gameplay does not equate to bumping up difficulty

[slate surge]

like right now did anything change

[hot elm]

Which is kill something, mine spawner

[slate surge]

rogue will still clear fast:)

[boreal verge]

we both know that shit getting gutted the next few balance changes

[hot elm]

Truth right here

[boreal verge]

rogue gonna become clown class fr

[candid pike]

Dethroner is dead

[hot elm]

Thank god it still has haste 4

[candid pike]

Did they kill Skirm?

[plush ice]

I came from the CTMC and at least back then it was considered on par with difficult maps like Ragecraft 3

[slate surge]

there should be a point between nerfing and making unusably bad

[worldly ferry]

mob health is increased 300%, damage by 100%, and mobs now have armor

there is your difficulty

[slate surge]

add blue section from rc4

theres the difficulty

[sweet hollow]

I'm not so sure this is an unpopular opinion so much as it is just an irrelevant one.

1. Never once have I seen the justification for a balance or gameplay decision being "If they think its too hard they can cope". That's just fundamentally not how the team thinks.

2. A game being in the name of fun does not intrisically mean that it also must be easy. Plenty of fun comes from challenge and pushing yourself - there are entire genres of games predicated on this point. "I'm hear for fun so it should be easy" is just not a valid counterargument against something being hard

[hot elm]

Monumenta was my first ctm experience, I did think it was difficult but i didn’t find that it was advertised as such

[gleaming moth]

in general mining speed being a matter of ticks slower has low visibility, but does mean that things are going to be harder to just mine and run by, just slightly enough that it should be leaning more towards handling the threat or accepting higher risk

[hot elm]

Maybe I’m just blind

[kind pendant]

same, when i join i really didnt think the game was gonna be that hard

[plush ice]

Reasonably certain Tutorial included something about expecting to die a lot

[kind pendant]

especially when u jst come from lab

then got throw into white

[old needle]

it doesn’t say that anymore

[gleaming moth]

mm doesn't advertise based purely on difficulty i'd say, but the CTM genre comes with an implied difficulty level to match the genre

[candid pike]

nowadays most people come here from Word of Mouth according to that one poll, with CTMC being the second lowest amount of players sourced.

[gleaming moth]

CTMC pool has been mostly exhausted at this point i'd say, plus some other specifics i'll skip for now

[boreal verge]

Thats such a niche scenario thats its not even worth mentioning, people kill mobs that a spawner drops and then mine it, rarely do people mine a spawner and then kill everything around it, so what does having a few tick difference actually make a in a normal clear

[kind pendant]

i swear most ppl would just ignore this

[slate surge]

wooo looooooot!!!!!!!

[slate surge]

wdym

[tight eagle]

Yeah this is what I get the expectations mostly
It’s not advertised “hard”
But it’s a ctm
Jumping into it is itself a commitment
But well obviously people that don’t know ctm would not get this

[gleaming moth]

ctmc in general hasn't changed too much in population over time, and MM has been around for a long time and has had some level of ties to it for most of that timeframe

[daring halo]

So situationals are the same as flat dmg?

[candid pike]

Yeah I did not know what a CTM was when I joined monumenta

[gleaming moth]

most people coming in are coming in off the MMO aspects, from word or mouth or advertising, and from other mmo minecraft choices

[plush ice]

This seems to imply people don't just spawnerrush

[tight eagle]

Yeah
They are basically weaker +%

[daring halo]

And regicide falls under that too right?

[candid pike]

Yes

[stoic citrus]

If anyone else hasn't yet, I'm surprised at the belt "rework"

Lost .5 armor iirc for 1 stamina level

[kind pendant]

oh yes no more lootrunning i love the balancing team (i have lootrun)

[hot elm]

Yall out of touch fr

[stoic citrus]

Think belt could've kept the .5 armor

[boreal verge]

if you’re balancing pickaxes solely around spawner rushing then ur ignoring a large majority of the playerbase that dont spawner rush to punish the minority that do, why not just come up with an alternative way to prevent spawner rushing if you dont want it

[worldly ferry]

shields

[gleaming moth]

oh boy.

[boreal verge]

(not that I understand the inherent dislike for speedrunning in the game)

[gleaming moth]

let's not get into another round of that

[rare torrent]

hello i wake up. first stike build died right

[hot elm]

Then why make picks that bypass it

[candid pike]

#gameplay-discussion the second coming

[boreal verge]

bhahahhaha

[gleaming moth]

back to balance changes from this week please

[hot elm]

Like what the hell are you talking about

[candid pike]

YES!!!✅✅✅🔥🔥🔥🔥

Situational damage enchants are bad now!!!

[daring halo]

As much as this might clog #change-logs could anything not mentioned in balance changes .txt be put there?

[rare torrent]

wow wonderful balance update

[kind pendant]

ikr

[gleaming moth]

would be good to put missed things up there tbh

[daring halo]

Tanks

[old needle]

1. yeah fair it’s not the teams philosophy. but “skill issue 😂😂😂😂” is a very common response by non team members in this discord to saying anything bad in response to a nerf, and it’s incredibly tedious to try to have a conversation when you have The Regular Pot-Stirrers jumping in every five seconds to say “deserved actually you’re just bad”
2. my answer to this is “does nerfing an item, or a large category of items, make the game as a whole more fun?” in some cases the answer is yes. in many cases the answer is no. but often the discussion of such is again shut down by people who don’t feel the change

[hot elm]

Chroma I love you

[cyan relic]

Skill gap--

I GOT HACKED

[boreal verge]

u have big 🌰

[hot elm]

I can’t wait to rent a maid

[old needle]

in regards to “The Regular Pot-Stirrers”, you know exactly who you are

[hot elm]

Chroma can we be friends

[stoic citrus]

@outer phoenix ?

I can't ping kitswift but I woild

[boreal verge]

I love diec’s guild fr fr

[stoic citrus]

Also @ manmonke @ galacticac @ uh that other guy

[old needle]

sure lol

[stoic citrus]

Silver strings enthusiat

[worldly ferry]

yeah!

[hot elm]

@boreal verge I won

[stoic citrus]

Also @ hypeace @ mscr and @ everyone else I personally dislike

[hot elm]

Dude you dislike the entire server

[stoic citrus]

Also what's up with the ex ironscale change

[gleaming moth]

eddie, please back to topic

thank you

[stoic citrus]

Why was stamina listed it didn't get changed

[stoic citrus]

Yes because trying to call out the "mean people who I don't like" is very on topic

[cyan relic]

Is it intentional?

[old needle]

a good amount of these people are actually normal and well adjusted from what i’ve seen. makes you think

[sweet hollow]

The true skill issue is not blocking people who you know are not interested in having a constructive conversation and only want to drag you down with degrading nonsense

[hot elm]

They missed some changelog

[cyan relic]

I assumed so to show that the item remained the same despite the scaling changes

[sweet hollow]

Cause tbh they aren't worth keeping unblocked

[cyan relic]

Ironscale nerf !

[stoic citrus]

Not it buffed

[merry bane]

what

[gleaming moth]

yea, block button is nice, but is less useful if we just spend the time talking about them anyways, block and live a better life 🙂

[merry bane]

or do you just mean the functionality of stamina

[cyan relic]

It got 1 kbr though so I think it ultimately won the game of life

[stoic citrus]

By like 1 kbr and the stamina was rebalanced or smth idk

[merry bane]

true

[cyan relic]

yeah technically it's nerfed

[stoic citrus]

Oh right yeah technically nerfed

[cyan relic]

Not directly

[boreal verge]

do I make it to the nonsense list

[sweet hollow]

Who even are you

[boreal verge]

LMAO

[stoic citrus]

Wait no it was buffed I think because the stamina it gets is received earlier

[merry bane]

OUCH

[old needle]

god DAMN

[stoic citrus]

Glaze harder

[merry bane]

that is a fucking lie

[worldly ferry]

and now the update talking is gone

[merry bane]

it's joever

[stoic citrus]

No it's not

[snow ruin]

Bruh what the fuck 2k messages in 2 hours

[glad sorrel]

bis should cry here

[sleek goblet]

he is literally at war and getting shot 400 times per day

[stoic citrus]

Pretty sure most was soapboxing about unrelated balance

[merry bane]

rogue got changed its inevitable (along with the whole rest of the game)

[stoic citrus]

Iirc besides boreas removal there weren't pickaxe changes

So idk what the stuff about pickaxe balance was

[tight eagle]

I think Looni has a point in his video
It can be debatable to push a change that is a bug fix / make sense but it kills the fun, vs delaying it until the deeper problem is fully solved and make a change alongside.
It would be hard to do in practice but I think it’s a good point to consider when making changes like balance patches

[stoic citrus]

Since I didn't see pickaxe changes

[cyan relic]

It's just boreas deleted from what i've red

[stoic citrus]

Sad

[merry bane]

pickaxe stuff is pretty set in stone until 1.20.5 I think

har har

set in stone

har

[stoic citrus]

I'm gonna assume it happened but did mob health or delve scaling or smth also get reigned in

[kind pendant]

very funny

[cyan relic]

wtf har

[stoic citrus]

In r3 specifically

[boreal verge]

dmg scaling was changed

[old needle]

and that’s just with minor balance, imagine what we could accomplish with new content (devs this is a joke i love you guys)

[cyan relic]

How hungry?

[boreal verge]

or the way that dmg is calculated

[upper ether]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-destiny2-bungie-30th-anniversary-drifter-gif-24001545

[hot elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/407719991102668813/894049410286239775/image0-2.gif

[worn cobalt]

can i just ask why consumables were changed again? it seems like nobody was using energetic fruit or aether pome anyway

[merry bane]

anyways all that remains next thursday
surely next week

[hot elm]

Bcs no one was using it

[stoic citrus]

The enemies do less dmg?

[hot elm]

So they had to nerf it

[boreal verge]

we’re asking the REAL questions now

[gleaming moth]

atr next week definitely

[daring halo]

Do the smite (and alike) enchantments count as flat dmg or base weapon bit confused

[merry bane]

base weapon damage

[boreal verge]

no, as in player damage is additive and not multiplicative anymore

[upper ether]

well he was asking about mobs

not the player

[old needle]

honestly i think non inf food changes are just for completeness, nobody’s gonna use them because you have to physically put them in your hotbar which is an auto debuff

[stoic citrus]

Yeah

I just thought mob hp would be less or smth since we're technically doing less dmg now?

[outer phoenix]

I would like to see this item be looked at for next week:
Silver Order Shako 2/3/4 : 10% / 10% / 10% -> 10% / 10% / 15% Projectile Damage -0.5 Agility
(to compare):
Scout's Halfhelm 1/2/3/4 : 15% / 15% / 20% / 20% -> 15% / 15% / 20% / 20% Projectile Damage +0.5 Armor

To summarize,
Shako: 8 Agil, 15% proj +Tech2, Melee prot 2
Halfhelm: 9.5 armor , 20% proj, proj prot 2, 10% speed

Halfhelm brings the same amount of prots, +1.5 agil/armor, +5% proj damage, +10% speed, while Shako has only a potential 15% more damage, only in Technique range. Shako "could" do more damage, but this seems like a quite unfavorable tradeoff.

[stoic citrus]

I haven't been able to test

[boreal verge]

me no read 🤓

[stoic citrus]

Yeah lol

Oh well

[upper ether]

ok go play the game

[gleaming moth]

mob damage typically has very little math around it, as it's mostly just set once and only really multiplied if there's a boss tag for a specific buff and/or delve mods, which just scale by 1 value

[stoic citrus]

Can't

If I could I wouldn't have been asking those questions

[upper ether]

except you eddie

[gleaming moth]

unlike players, there's not too many sources of changes to the mob's damage

[upper ether]

you can stay

[stoic citrus]

Mean.

[olive valve]

That was back when monumenta had the old item system and dr was way lower. Monumenta overtime got a lot of updates that made it easier overall, like that same item rework or the grave rework.

[upper ether]

sorry 🤫

🧏‍♂️

[merry bane]

yeah i think we should add rc4 pot chucker mobs

that'll spice things up

[stoic citrus]

I've said it before but I think belt should be taken a look at

[merry bane]

belt

[stoic citrus]

It should've been before the additive changes but now it's just in a very strange spot seemingly

[merry bane]

it got an armor nerf this patch too

[stoic citrus]

Yeah that was so odd

[slate surge]

MY SOTE GAINED DAMAGE

51

to FIFTY TWO!!!!!!!!!

so w

[stoic citrus]

Cool stuff man

[slate surge]

so fire

[stoic citrus]

Like I would've expected attack speed buff maybe

If it would get anything

[slate surge]

now

[stoic citrus]

But not a stamina level and .5 armor less

[slate surge]

for the really scary part

my cutter

[merry bane]

belt has had a very rough cycle

[stoic citrus]

So is everyone just doing overall less dmg

[slate surge]

uh it lost like 4 damage?

[stoic citrus]

In your experiences

[hot elm]

Yes

[merry bane]

it went from insane to sad to pretty good to now it's just

wierd

[slate surge]

my sote gained damage

very w

but me cutter

[hot elm]

It’s less overall later

[stoic citrus]

I relied a lot on regicide I think

I think the regicide charms should be looked at too actually

[slate surge]

is coup stack over????

[stoic citrus]

Now that I remember

[slate surge]

build variety is dead

[kind pendant]

wtf first strike is not dead

[slate surge]

of course voidblast hates cool playstyles

[vernal basin]

hows build variety dead

[stoic citrus]

During multiplicative era regicide 4 star charm felt very underwhelming, can't imagine what it feels like now that everything is additive

[slate surge]

idk it really isnt

[merry bane]

im not even gonna ignite that argument in here

[stoic citrus]

Yeah don't

[merry bane]

jewel is very weird

[stoic citrus]

Pissing matches are for other places lel

[slate surge]

bro really wants all rogues to be boring hype/blightblood users anwyays

uh it only lost 4 damage not bad

[stoic citrus]

Like I tested it and I could feel like I killed elites faster but for FOUR CHARM POWER I honestly expected to oneshot the r3 poi elites

[merry bane]

lots of things gonna need to be retested after additive changes

[slate surge]

so fol

[merry bane]

Mostly situational stuff

[slate surge]

adds like 11 damage?

or like 15

[stoic citrus]

Actually correction, I ran the both regicide charms and still couldn't onetap elites

[merry bane]

🤔

ouch

[stoic citrus]

And I already had regi 2 and a considerably amount of dmg for guardian (long with popping all my dmg abilities)

[snow ruin]

Well honestly I can forgive them for making regicide absolutely irrelevant because it kinda already was

[stoic citrus]

And I couldn't onetap the elites

[old needle]

i thought it was mostly fine, better for boss dps than specialist+greater fury

don’t think i tried elites though

[stoic citrus]

I would like if it became more useful for general gameplay

[slate surge]

it has -74 dura

[stoic citrus]

Items like nwarden are nice that they have "dmg" that isn't atk%

[old needle]

was using maestro anyway so didn’t really need specialist bauble as much

[slate surge]

look at that red bar

[worldly ferry]

something about wrong channel?

[stoic citrus]

But uh yeah I forgot about boss dps

[vernal basin]

My boreas mattock!!!!

[old needle]

gg you now own a legacy of sorts

[hot elm]

Keep that lol

[stoic citrus]

Maybe that's why regicide charms weren't given more tooth

[hot elm]

Legacy

[merry bane]

now that regicide can't turn into a multiplicative monster, let it work on vengeful mobs at a reduced efficacy?

[snow ruin]

Regi should be base dmg

[slate surge]

istg if i accidently repair it

im gonna go fucking insane

[stoic citrus]

Lol

[tribal dagger]

No

[hot elm]

Put it somewhere and never touch it

[worn cobalt]

they couldn’t even be bothered to legacy the item and remove the stats

[vernal basin]

Don't be like me who used up my story skt key 2 days before it got legacied

[stoic citrus]

Yeah now that regicide is additive maybe the charms could get smth

[worn cobalt]

absolute cinema

[merry bane]

[slate surge]

my plot is so safe

[merry bane]

ok frozen ill deal with the 520 hp non elite mobs in ex rev

you got me

[daring halo]

Will specs ever get passives?

[merry bane]

probably not

[stoic citrus]

No

[merry bane]

unless you are shaman

[old needle]

honestly i don’t know a whole lot about boss dpsing because it’s not as big in r3, all i know is that it let me hit breakpoints on… story skt bosses (i was grinding race pb)

[merry bane]

for some reason

[snow ruin]

I think this additive change is good but some niche things need adjustments to not be irreñevant now

[old needle]

but yeah it’s fine for boss mostly

[stoic citrus]

How do you manage to type nñ

Forite appropriating our language @cyan relic ?

Any guardian players

[old needle]

keyboard layout

[snow ruin]

Phone keypad

[stoic citrus]

How did the additive changes fuck with us

[stoic citrus]

El creeper 2?

[snow ruin]

It buffed you

El creeper 2

[stoic citrus]

I know it buffed chall but I

Don't use chall all the time I mostly relied on bspore

Omg deja vu

I relied on cstrike multiplier

[merry bane]

[slate surge]

w

[vernal basin]

lmao

[slate surge]

r3 bis

[sterile swift]

holy gyattaroni

[snow ruin]

Wait its been a while but that looks way better dmg

[stoic citrus]

?

[slate surge]

sigmis maximus levels of damage

[tough kettle]

Is warrior or cleric raise again

[slate surge]

it lost 4 damage bc its additive

[tough kettle]

For dps

[snow ruin]

I wonder how skills are affected

[old needle]

they killed boon

[slate surge]

but first strike 2

[old needle]

charms anyway

[slate surge]

so actually COUP STACK IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

[stoic citrus]

It's listed I think

[slate surge]

fungal fury got first strike 2

[tough kettle]

Oh nvm QD ranger raise as dps #screenshots message

[snow ruin]

Can I click a lot and output elite slaying damage in milliseconds still, with a tank build to boot?

[stoic citrus]

Is the rogue passive still multi

Actually is vuln still multi

[snow ruin]

Against gear yeah

[stoic citrus]

Applying vuln is like the whole thing of rogue right

[snow ruin]

But not against other buff multis

[sterile swift]

vuln is multi

[stoic citrus]

Cool cool

[sterile swift]

forgot if it multis with as

i think as is additive with item dmg%

[snow ruin]

Dagger throw will have to be better utilized

By me

[tight eagle]

Vuln is mob resistance

[tough kettle]

NO

[snow ruin]

Now I can't just shit out blade dances and rondes

[slate surge]

its very w how sote got damage

[stoic citrus]

Yeah dthrow is only source of rogue vuln now right

Besides the passive

[tough kettle]

Vuln is NOT mob resistance

[stoic citrus]

Swordsages when they can't turn off their brains anymore...

[tough kettle]

Read the .txt

[tight eagle]

Oh fr

[stoic citrus]

What are people's thoughts on stamina now

I'm pretty sure it was niche as a playstyle before now I imagine it's pretty dead

[old needle]

vuln is with consumables? that seems kind of random

[merry bane]

it got hurt bad

[snow ruin]

Damn I used stamina 2 to top off my damage

[stoic citrus]

It's only used on items that just so happen to have it and that are good in it of themselves

[merry bane]

and by proxy, reaper got PUMMELED

[slate surge]

has anyone found the cleric cosmetics

[tight eagle]

But then what else affects mob resistance

[snow ruin]

Resistance

[merry bane]

generic reaper set is almost entirely stamina DMG

[stoic citrus]

#spoiler-chat

[old needle]

how many situational damage-dealing enchants are there actually? first strike, stamina, regicide, what else

[stoic citrus]

Idk if it was found but that's the appropriate channel

Had to let out my inner 🤓 mini mod for a sec

[stoic citrus]

Trivium, technique

[old needle]

i feel like it’s not that bad because if you only have one it’s the same as before and if you have multiple it’s still not a huge difference

[tight eagle]

Abyssal

[sterile swift]

1 - -0.2 lmfao

[stoic citrus]

I had a goofy set of a mix of atk% and stamina that probably relied on the multiplicative dmg

[old needle]

wait fuck situational is with gear damage i misread

[slate surge]

i dont see where is it

[stoic citrus]

Nad now I'm pretty sure those kind of sets are dead

[reef ivy]

Are there 100% infusion refunds

[stoic citrus]

Idk if it was found yet but that's just the appropriate channel

This thread already has enough offtopic at times

Best to limit it

[slate surge]

ah

[reef ivy]

There were 100% refunds last item rework

[slate surge]

thankfully i did chall cyan (the GREATEST pain in monumenta content there is)

[stoic citrus]

I dont think there were infusion refunds this time

But it's just xp that isn't fully refunded right

And why would you even need to since like

It's not like vigor suddenly changed to proj dmg

Or smth else entirely

You still get the appropriate dmg you wanted, just additive

I guess if you really want the xp back

[hot elm]

They don’t care about us 💔

[old needle]

probably more in terms of “this has wildly changed the meta and i want to put my infusions on other things instead now”
whether that’s valid idk

[stoic citrus]

Maybe

[hot elm]

I beg and I beg and we don’t get refunds 💔

[cyan relic]

idk gameplay feels basically the same

[old needle]

also xp kinda expensive if you’re buying from that one place in market

[cyan relic]

I still have kill aura and fly hacks so life's good ig

[hot elm]

Xp is expensive

[golden lagoon]

can someone send me the changes to alchemist? I'm on mobile rn

[reef ivy]

I mean with a change like this I believe people should be allowed to switch infusions on gear without a cost because the gear itself changed

[stoic citrus]

Yeah I get that now

If you ran smth that heavily relied on multiplicative and now it fell off then yeah

But we're probably not getting refunds

[old needle]

how good was the actual uptime on stamina? like were you getting a consistent level*10% out of it or not as much

[tight eagle]

There’s also magic gears and alch pot stats changes that is not here

[stoic citrus]

I'm not good at the game but idk the build was ok

It was just me experimenting with enigma and adanartis

[stoic citrus]

Are the esoteric changes the sacred changes that alchs eanted

[oak tangle]

cook

[tight eagle]

It’s fire

[golden lagoon]

oof can't tell if Artil is a nerf or compensation

[reef ivy]

Why did they nerf an apoth ability

[near hollow]

💬 gone now?

[stoic citrus]

Don't think so

[tight eagle]

Nerf except r1

[stoic citrus]

Just heavily defanged I think?

[neat goblet]

I think esoteric explodes immediately if there's a mob nearby on spawn now which was forgotten in the changelog

[near hollow]

Why

The pregnant man

[golden lagoon]

should have seen that coming, I don't mind the nerf as long as it's not super devastating

[old needle]

eddie pregnant man reacts someone important, mysteriously vanishes two days later

[tight eagle]

Yeah same
AA has been really impactful

[golden lagoon]

and even more powerful than UA, I'm surprised it wasn't nerfed a long time ago

[reef ivy]

I mean it was the only thing that did anything on alch

[golden lagoon]

lol yea kinda

AA became very central to Alch's kit ever since it was added

[reef ivy]

Like you had to build very specific things to even do enough dmg on alch

[golden lagoon]

speaking of, I'm surprised UA remains unchanged

[reef ivy]

And I don't want to mention the state of r3 apoth

[golden lagoon]

I just like to build on whatever for fun

[civic sinew]

apoth is sad in r3 but I don't think AA is that required honestly

[golden lagoon]

DoT alch was fun

[civic sinew]

all my r3 alch dropped AA a while ago

[golden lagoon]

it's not required but it can be a little hard without it

[reef ivy]

Dot alch is in my opinion very bad for the health of the class

[golden lagoon]

how so?

[reef ivy]

Low skill req, makes pot economy useless and it ruined the base alch pot dmg

It is literally inferno 2.0

[golden lagoon]

oh definitely, although the decrease of base damage is one of the caveats with playing DoT

[reef ivy]

You throw 1 pot and wait

[civic sinew]

esoteric buff is interesting but I wish it displays damage on dummy

[golden lagoon]

I wish the game makes you detonate DoT some way instead of doing nothing

[civic sinew]

imo the problem with DoT is lack of alternatives that are as effective for same investment, or alternatives at all

I wish potspam is more supported, rn its only really AA or DoT

[golden lagoon]

stack a debuff, and the debuff ticks down every second dealing DoT, instead of a fixed timer

[civic sinew]

hades 2 scorch

[golden lagoon]

for real?

[stoic citrus]

Don't get offtopic

[golden lagoon]

ah sorry

[stoic citrus]

Wrong self react

Meant to gigachad react myself wtf!

[golden lagoon]

anyway I should get out of bed and actually play the update now, bye bye 👋

[civic sinew]

I expected alch to be hit a bit but I suppose the item changes compensated for it

since alch has a few multipliers

EE bezoar taboo

[tight eagle]

Maybe we can finally escape from energizing elixir u

[civic sinew]

perhaps, yeah

it's certainly very centralizing

[golden lagoon]

I never run energising

[civic sinew]

an unusual choice

I respect it

but I love dunking pots at close range so I'm bound to it

[snow ruin]

My uptime was incredible, but that's because of the rest of my build coincidentally making "get hit a lot while killing fast" work and stamina accelerated that

[reef ivy]

Hey devs I think spellshock u is x2 instead of x0.2

[neat goblet]

we're looking into hotfixing that and other damage modifiers not working as intended

[gaunt pewter]

ok but this update is good

[tough kettle]

I gonna hide building error bug forever

[stoic citrus]

Hi Harry cake

[plain stream]

thx for making my r3 scout dmg better ❤️

[inner thistle]

i just now noticed that cbells vuln is ENORMOUS

50% wtf

[olive valve]

Same, thought the dreadwood nerf would hit my dmg, but turns out I deal 13% more. Thanks!

[inner thistle]

ok so paladin damage buffed boon pretty hard nerfed i think that’s an overall win

however

why does paladin get to deal 300 dmg crits with cbless

tbf reaper can do that too

but reaper doesnt have paladin ass healing

[olive valve]

Did paladin just get funny dmg with this update too?

[inner thistle]

see above

[outer phoenix]

many classes did so I wouldn't take things as very representative of the update's intent until the bugs are all patched out

[inner thistle]

paladin is now better burst support than hiero i think

if you want to pstrike bring a paladin not a hiero 👍

[outer phoenix]

Reaper was able to [Redacted]

[inner thistle]

if it’s been patched you can probably talk about it

[olive valve]

Oh, right. Very fair and balanced multiplier

[outer phoenix]

If

(it was more damage than expected)

[inner thistle]

how much more damage

when i tested, it was pretty nromal

forgot about jchain though

[outer phoenix]

[Redacted] levles

[inner thistle]

gained like

8%?

[inner thistle]

which ability

it wasnt dpact i think

[olive valve]

True. Hell someone one shotted training dummies in #screenshots , and that definitely doesn't feel intended. Maybe tomorrow the situation will be more clear to feedback properly

Honestly the inflated dmg stats across all gear will take a bit to get used to. Salads being 50% atk feels so cursed 💀

[near hollow]

Rip to training dummies

💀

[empty torrent]

kind of sucks this feedback post is mainly just a live reaction post

[stoic citrus]

How is warrior dmg looking now after the bugfixes

[wanton scarab]

Difference between ballista hit and prismatic enigma hit is 5%, enigma is still kinda worthless

and technique on shako is useless now

[empty torrent]

im holding out on writing actual feedback, because a lot of stuff feels bugged when it comes to dmg scaling

[wanton scarab]

yea same

cz steel might be even more dead than before

[valid topaz]

Caster paladin feels a bit boneless

although this can be cause FoL thingy

[indigo grotto]

neg dura 😋

[golden lagoon]

isn't this just budget fgc?

oh nvm it's different

[ancient iris]

Hey guys

What happened to scout

I run low damage and like no sharpshooter charms I think it's gamr

[merry bane]

you're probably almost completely unaffected

[stoic citrus]

A huge chunk of my dmg was lost as guardian, wow

[merry bane]

it's never been so over

[stoic citrus]

I'm obviously gonna complain but I think I have a good reason

I get less options now I think

And I'm not running bis, 98% dmg pre balance, 117% post

[stoic citrus]

In my gameplay I mean

I used to do enough to get away with not bashing every single mob to proc cstrike, since multiplicative dmg

Now to reach the 150dmg threshold I like to hit, I HAVE to bash, most likely in every single encounter, and get a cstrike buffed crit

I guess I could interpret this as more skillful gameplay but yeah feels more restricting

And I wasn't challenge botting before, mostly relying on base warrior skills for my dmg

Seems like I'm gonna have to take wmastery enhance for more dmg? Actually I didn't double check my enhancements I think I had cstrike E and bforce E

But yeah not the end of the world but also not great, not the biggest fan

[ancient iris]

Oh boy

In a dream maybe

You see everything was chill

And then I used the number one drunk father abuser of multiplicative damage volley

And you see

[merry bane]

rogue speech bubblers got hit the hardest

they got hit hard

[ancient iris]

So you see

[merry bane]

people building reasonable amounts of damage probably wont notice a huge difference

[ancient iris]

Scout as a class does that so

I build lower damage then average

It's just the sin of scout

[stoic citrus]

I was building reasonable amounts of dmg and I notice a pretty huge difference

Idk I think I was technically running on the lower end of the dmg spectrum

[ancient iris]

Well warrior go na get hit

BF weapon mastery and then also challenge

[stoic citrus]

Since that baboon @outer phoenix told me that most run like 110% dmg or smth I don't remember

I didn't really use chall that much

Probably my overeliance on cstrike is what really did me in

Kinda expected it tbh it is what it is

I was a bforcer and wmasteryier tho (who isnt)

[ancient iris]

Volley might be bugged I have a huncj

Or maybe just additive being ass

Ee u 35% dmg buff brought me from 267 to 273

Which does not sound right

[stoic citrus]

My full combo with fol did 318, now does 302

Ok I suddenly started doing 40 extra dmg so either my plots was bugged somehow or I should just wait a week or smth before making further comments

Ok yeah idk what's even going on, one second I do 2 extra dmg on a cstrike boosted crit compared to a non boosted crit, now I do a good amount more dmg

Nvm

Everything is good I think

Unless bforce being way too strong still

[empty torrent]

it is

[ancient iris]

These emoji are making me uncomfor table

[vivid osprey]

Bforce is fine unless a charm is breaking it

[stoic citrus]

It was partially fixed

[tough radish]

Soulbinder's Combat Boots (REWORK) : Projectile Protection II, Magic Protection III, Reflexes I, Second Wind I, +15% Speed
Developer Note: The previous iteration of these boots saw little to no use because of split damage types.
This version should make them an ideal candidate for tanky Agility builds in Region 1.

is it intended that soulbinder’s has no agility

first off, i used old soulbinder’s boots myself, because i wanted the swind and extra agi from using it over trueking chains

secondly, isn’t new soulbinder’s directly outclassed by furious footfalls in most cases

[indigo grotto]

nah its for r1 adaptability armor reflexe stack thrust me

[tough radish]

it doesn’t even have adaptability how tragic

see swind has the potential to be decent if you stack swind to the moon but there are Two Items in valley with swind

corr monk’s and soulbinder’s boots

[tight eagle]

idk how valuable sw is in r1
But no agi is kinda crazy

[tough radish]

sw in r1 is ass

second wind 1 is a +5.55% to ehp

[tight eagle]

So roughly 1.5 agi

[tough radish]

second wind 2 is +11.73% ehp

[tough radish]

which isn’t affected by situationals like reflexes

[snow ruin]

Did anyone aside from rogue-heads shooting for 1 tap breakpoints get nerfed from this rework? It feels lime, just from casual observation, that all normal uses of damage (using up to 4 non-gear multis) will be buffed damage-wise

[tribal dagger]

Warlock got nerfed

[vivid osprey]

just make hex eater +.75

should be a fix for them

[indigo grotto]

wait is stamina still multiplicative or not

[rare night]

it is not

[merry bane]

@fading wyvern ok one bone to pick with esoteric now that it's good

this charm.

it's effectively a 3 star cooldown increase

because both creepers explode at the exact same time and completely ruin their iframes

and esoterics iframes in general

they like to overlap with a LOT of things and probably 80% of the time the damage just vanishes :/

actually im just gonna test more and do a full writeup

on post changes esoteric

[modern ingot]

havent put my thoughts together yet about the update, but i like the bigger use of flat damage like on new esoteric

i feel like it will give more room for balancing for devs, and allow a wider variety of builds to work

[inner thistle]

reaper or tene

i haven't tested post-hotfix reape but it seemed stronger to me before hotfix

[tribal dagger]

Both

Dpact/cwound not multiplying hurts a little bit

[inner thistle]

huh

[tribal dagger]

• if you used lament u

[inner thistle]

why'd i do more dammage then

[ancient iris]

What is the point

[tribal dagger]

As well as tene’s vuln/str from shades not multiplying slightly hurts too

[tribal dagger]

Gear damage compensation

[ancient iris]

Of stamina then

[merry bane]

stamina is dead

all situational damages are dead

[ancient iris]

Bro scouts fine then volley just dead

[inner thistle]

rest in peace belt of the tyrant

yeah i didnt test stamina cause dummies dont proc

[tribal dagger]

Situational damages are a bit silly right now

[inner thistle]

rip like half my damage

reaper severe nerfed then

[merry bane]

stamina's dead, first strike's dead

[merry bane]

reaper literally died

yesterday at 11 pm

[tribal dagger]

Imo they should have been buffed more so they can compete with just BIS damage instead of being worse (and conditional)

But we’ll see what happens in the next few weeks

[inner thistle]

paladin is still kinda cracked though

50% vuln 🗿

who thought that was ok

[merry bane]

[inner thistle]

better burst support than hiero

[merry bane]

anyways time to go do something i NEVER THOUGHT I'D DO

go buy formless void.

[inner thistle]

wtf

is formless void good now

[tribal dagger]

50% vuln is somewhat sussy

[merry bane]

14.3 dmg

[inner thistle]

what radius

[merry bane]

2.5 (icky)

[inner thistle]

nope

[merry bane]

but it's an improvement

[inner thistle]

shadebound my beloved

[merry bane]

i use oversized flask anyway

[inner thistle]

four radius + oversized = <3

[merry bane]

shadebound is an apoth pot

sorry

[little jay]

A buff to throns? Great!

Oh wait, was boon nerfed?

[merry bane]

boon u is dead

[little jay]

;-; Not the actual boon? Just that?

[inner thistle]

40% -> 30% and all boon chance charms nerfed

[little jay]

I know it's somewhat buggy as of now, but the Monumenta website still says LVL 2 is 40%

[inner thistle]

dont use that

[pastel steppe]

thorns cleric lives on

[tribal dagger]

It was nerfed from 40% to 30%

Description is bugged cause it wasn’t updated

[tribal dagger]

For now

[pastel steppe]

thorns got a mere slap on the wrist! its still cracked

acutally wait I already did everything I needed to do with thorns cleric; okay you can nerf it now

[old needle]

i thought thorns was dead now because they nerfed boon charms as well

[tribal dagger]

Not really, the items are still around and kicking

[worn cobalt]

Balance Changes Missing in the Document

• Vigor, Focus, and Perspicacity have been changed from +0.75% melee/projectile/magic damage per level to the following:
• Region 1: +1% damage per level
• Region 2: +1.25% damage per level
• Region 3: +1.5% damage per level
  what’s the reason for this

[merry bane]

so r3 infusions aren't literally worthless

[worn cobalt]

wasn’t the intention behind this update to make the difference between midgame damage and endgame damage less though

now infusions are nearly mandatory in r3

[rare night]

infusions are additive damage now, not multiplicative

they have much less of an impact

[empty torrent]

not really true

if you have a tankier set, they have a way higher impact now

[rare night]

sure, I should have specified on high damage sets

[worn cobalt]

they’re only additive with gear +% damage so it’s actually more buffed

if you /ps and compare a non-infused set to a vigor 4 revelation set

the difference is like +150% dmg vs +300% dmg

[rare night]

what...

[worn cobalt]

no joke

[old needle]

it’s like having an extra +45% damage piece in your set in r3 with understanding 5. i leave that to other people to decide how powerful that actually is (for comparison. old infusions were 22.5% scaling off your gear stats, which with r3 standard rogue ended up being equivalent to about a 40% additive)

[worn cobalt]

not sure if it’s bugged but that’s what it shows

[empty torrent]

thats just visual

since they didn't change /ps

[worn cobalt]

ok so ps menu is just bugged rn?

i see

[empty torrent]

tho vigor/focus/persp probably shouldnt be the same amount

since dmg types have different stat budgets

[old needle]

i mean they were the same before

so that’s probably a separate conversation

also does the infusion % stuff scale with the region you’re currently in, or the region the item is from?

or with the region you infused it in (probably not that one)

[worn cobalt]

i think it’s region the item is from

it would be weird if they made vigor change how much damage it gets when you switch regions

[timid grove]

Its based on the region you are in

so plots counts as r3

[worn cobalt]

uhhhh

[indigo grotto]

/ps dmg counter has region switcher

[stoic citrus]

Clearly the region should switch based on what plot background you have

[honest ember]

we should really make it so you can set your plot region to whatever you want

[old needle]

should probably be based on item’s region, but also i don’t think it really matters until there’s support for switching regions for testing everything else that scales

[old needle]

yeah that

[slate surge]

guys fol

[worn cobalt]

yeah this is what i was thinking, r2 items are still debuffed in r3 so it’s weird

[old needle]

call me crazy but i don’t think fol needs a buff after this

[tribal dagger]

Region scaled FoL