Shield Spawners

[random mirage]

Maybe a little vague but it's hard to come up with ideas, but can shield spawners with no actual intent behind them be removed? Currently i feel as though they serve no purpose except to stall time which isnt really "fun." And when I say shield spawners with no intent, I mean random elite spawners with a couple shields for fun. The shield spawners like that one f2 zenith room with like a shield of 20 is actually a really cool and creative idea, and utilizies shield spawners. But those random elite spawners or even normal spawners with shields that seem to be everywhere across starpoint? Please reevaluate/remove/change the shields on those as right now it just feels like they r just time wasters.

Current ideas/solutions I could come up with:

• Breaking a spawner shield could activate a mechanism. (Spawn mobs, hazard, anything)
• Shielded spawners could send out attacks like spells until they are broken. (Like maybe the spawner could shoot like fireballs or missiles at you giving incentive to break it as well as a reason for it to be shielded)
• Cut down on the shielded spawners... any of them that feel pointless could just go.

[distant pewter]

me resisting the urge to say "adapt"

[wispy helm]

me resisting the urge to say "overcome"

[azure badge]

shield spawners just make me forced to run skysplitter in all my builds that may go into star point / zenith so i dont have to deal with breaking them one by one

and skysplitter is slow pick since the effi nerf..

[shrewd mountain]

Shields partially exist as a countermeasure against spawner rushing for dangerous elite spawners and also to provide designers the chance to slow down combat pace and avoid the problem of efficiency creep of r3 pickaxes, I don't think you can simply say that every shield that isn't used as a major gimmick should be removed

[azure badge]

Shields partially exist as a countermeasure against spawner rushing for dangerous elite spawner
what does that mean

Do you have any examples in mind

surely such example would not be a zenith room which cannot be named

unlike a poi

[random mirage]

well maybe i can... i dont know how it slows down combat pace when mining spawners partakes outside of combat, at least if someone is not using cheesy methods of clearing

and i think spawner rushing for a dangerous elite spawner will either kill you/put you in a bad situation (unless they intend to continue spawner rushing)

[shrewd mountain]

The effectiveness of it is another thing but every shield very slightly makes it more inconvenient to do it and makes you engage with enemies for longer

[random mirage]

there is no difference in engagement with enemy though?

kill mobs -> break spawner are 2 different parts to an encounter

[azure badge]

I dont get what you mean?

[shrewd mountain]

if your point is to not kill anything*

[random mirage]

o its just more anti-spawner rush tech

[azure badge]

What im understanding is that breaking a mob's spawner before killing the mob itself is spawner rushing which is certainly not what you're actually saying

[random mirage]

man why make every1 suffer when u can just make anti-lootrun everywhere

[lone badge]

I think the anti-spawner rusher shielded spawners would make more sense on normal spawners than just placed on every elite spawner since those elites are only going to spawn once anyways, even with the shields. I agree with OP that they don't really feel like they serve any purpose the way they're currently designed.

Elites are already threats with long respawn times to balance that, adding shields to them changes nothing about gameplay. Adding shields to normal spawners however would make an otherwise simple plain encounter become a bit more danger when you have to factor in a potential second or third spawn while breaking the spawner, and would more effectively bring about the countermeasure point

Unless the point is to make elite spawners harder to break so normal spawners nearby have a chance to spawn again, which is counterable by breaking those spawners first, and isn't as affective as just putting shields on those spawners instead

[stark grove]

shield spawner is cool at that one 30 shield spawner zenith room

other place it just feels tedious

and more like "more gameplay time" same as some recent major updates

[shrewd mountain]

I can agree in theory but it thematically makes more sense for them to be on elite spawners and they can also work as markers for tougher spawners (though this can be done better with more planned builds/layouts)

[lone badge]

And yeah going along with that - if it's designed to counter people ignoring mobs and just breaking spawners, wouldn't it be EVEN more effective to put on normal spawners? People rushing spawners are already going to try to ignore harder enemies in favour of easier ones ie elites

[random mirage]

i think more normal mobs is much more preferable then sitting at an elite spawner for a spawner rusher

[stark grove]

also skyspiltter exit for spawner rusher tbh

[keen lance]

being stuck in range of normal mobs while mining may make you spend some abilities to kill them, but having to be in range of elite trying to break the shield does more to change how someone approaches the situation if their approach is not already to pull, kill, and mine

[random mirage]

i mean either way i think there are better ways to counter spawner rushers specifically then ways that ruin everyones experience

[keen lance]

I don't think it's ruined my cz experience beyond making me play a bit more defensively, which is what it's trying to do

If done with the kill then mine approach, it's a couple seconds at most, less on splitter

[random mirage]

it feels so tedious though

[keen lance]

It makes the "dive in and disable" playstyle riskier, but that's kind of what it's built to do

[random mirage]

at least personally and i feel like many agree

[shrewd mountain]

In the hypothetical (extreme) scenario where you want to break every spawner and kill none of the enemies it has impact because you're staying in one location for longer (where coincidentally mobs are also staying)
It's not their only or even main point though, and I don't think it's something to overly fixate on, even if it doesn't achieve it well.

I'm not arguing that all shields are well placed and shouldn't be changed, I just don't agree with the idea that they're all pointless if they don't serve as a major gimmick. It can be a useful design tool to be able to slightly slow down the player's pace or force them to take a breather between combat encounters, similar to how an empty space or hallway devoid of spawners would, but without needing that additional physical space.

[worldly flume]

what if you made killing all the mobs a spawner with a shield spawned break the spawner shield automatically

because realisitcally adding spawner shields, and as a result, skysplitter, doesn't solve your goal of making spawner rushers take longer

[azure badge]

I think an empty space or hallway feels much better to play than "stand mostly still redoing the task you just did"

[celest raptor]

Spawner rushers have haste and skysplitter. It affects them way less than regular players.

[random mirage]

i dont think pointing out skysplitter will have the effect u guys think, they will just nerf it

[distant pewter]

from now on only effi 0 pickaxes can have drilling

[celest raptor]

Best idea I have heard . Just make the spawners not breakable unless all mobs are dead or there aren't more than 1-2 mobs

[distant pewter]

the best idea. with the greatest of intentions.

what could go wrong?

[random mirage]

ok but like i dont think i would want spawners to be unbreakable constantly

[ember ruin]

I never minded Elite Spawners having Shield tbh. But actually looking back, I still do like how some of the spawners that have multiple Shields are Elite ones. Makes them feel all the more important or makes then feel more dangerous, which is a cool way to convey how dangerous a situation feels in gameplay. I do agree tho with OP that they can definitely do something more like Buffing enemies around them so that it encourages you to not spawner rush while also giving a sense of urgency of a threat with how much longer it takes to mine.

[celest raptor]

Maybe a spawner that detects it's own mobs and if those aren't dead

[astral granite]

#suggestions-voting message

I think this idea would be cool as a compromise between speed and restraint for full on spawner rushing 👉 👈 😳

[celest raptor]

Just don't add chronology

[random mirage]

this is really smart

[hexed vessel]

maybe the real reason for spawner shields are to prevent sapper procs

[distant pewter]

give adze curse of shrapnel 2

no more healing

[hexed vessel]

it would still be better than boilerdrill

[small crag]

the low count shields should go away when you kill the mob for the spawner

like, it feels like it exists to increase playtime which makes no sense. There are no mobs I am avoiding, the shields arent high enough for a second spawn to happen, and I cant be spawner rushing since the mobs are dead.

Just make the shield go down when mobs die near it and make a second type of shield that doesnt do that and only use those for the giga shields, like that zenith room.

Easy.

[hexed vessel]

what if... breaking a shield layer has x% chance to instantly spawn new wave of mobs 🗿

[small crag]

I dont think spawning more mobs on break should be the mechanic of the shields

since that already exists

as the red particles

it was also stated their entire purpose is to hinder spawner rushing

but all it does to a regular player is increase playtime which is

[hexed vessel]

well I guess shielded spawners bring more depth to the game but shouldn't be used excessively

[small crag]

depth? what depth?

[hexed vessel]

well not in current state but once we get more pickaxe it will open up more choices to delete shielded spawners

[celest raptor]

the most busted op thing known to existence - sapper

[small crag]

oh yes! more drilling pickaxes surely fixes the problem

[bitter jungle]

True

[astral granite]

We should give bercilak sapper 1 back

Surely nothing bad will happen

[bitter jungle]

On a chestplate?

[fresh mountain]

skysplitter is gonna get curse of shrapnel now

[astral granite]

Once upon a time

[bitter jungle]

Doom

[shell terrace]

yeah

[astral granite]

Saccharine sample too

[bitter jungle]

Honestly not as doom now that I think about it

Could be some interesting item options

But sapper is just

[small crag]

aspects on armor that apply to eruption pickaxes you're holding would be crazy

[torpid flame]

shrapnel 3 chestplate

[small crag]

imagine eruption of every aspect at once

[hexed vessel]

what if eruption would proc shrapnel 🥺

[wispy helm]

I think spawner shields add depth to content

[small crag]

What is the depth it adds?

I’m very curious as to what that depth actually is

[hexed vessel]

you have to approach them bit differently than normal spawners

[small crag]

normal spawner: approach, kill mobs, break spawner, move on. shielded spawner: approach, kill mobs, break spawner but slightly longer, move on.
??

[hexed vessel]

you cannot proc eruption from shielded spawners for breaking it once

[small crag]

okay so exclusively when there is exactly 1 spawner and its only the shielded or all the spawners are shielded?

can you tell me where in the game there are no eruption spawners in the area at all and they're all shielded?

[hexed vessel]

[small crag]

you can just break the spawners that arent shielded to get eruption.

[hexed vessel]

also that one platform in consul tower...

[small crag]

so where is this depth actually seen where eruption disable matters?

you mean the one that has 1 spawner?

[hexed vessel]

2 spawners with a chest

both having one shield layer

[small crag]

i dont think the depth added to that is worth anything considering you just kill the mobs in seconds anyway.

[hexed vessel]

still more dynamic than just having normal spawners

[fresh mountain]

argument doesnt really work when skysplitter has eruption

[wispy helm]

Strategy. Approach of rooms changes. Planning ahead and skill factors in more heavily than stomp/nuke the room.

[azure badge]

Do people actually see a special spawner and try to plan out strategy, logistics, and dealing with the aftermath of the battle

[fresh mountain]

isnt it the same strategy but you use skysplitter instead of your normal pick

[small crag]

or the same strat and you just break the spawner more than once

[wispy helm]

Yes and no

Depends on the room and difficulty of the content

Mostly just a bit of forethought rather than advanced military tactics

[small crag]

bro doesnt exit the poi, go to his planning room, and then go back

[wispy helm]

Indeed

[celest raptor]

no matter if it is shioelded or not a spawner wont proc twice unlessu have chronology . no strategy change . just sit there and wait to mine a random spawner 5 times

but if you are actually an aeroblast user maybe then they will respawn

please buff wind

[wispy helm]

not everything iscz

[fresh mountain]

dont think chronology is applicable in any content with shielded spawners atm

[deep jasper]

You must do half the moth’s health before breaking the spawner once so you ensure you have enough time to finish him off before he obliterates you, then you can break the spawner fully before handling the dreadnaught.

idk i thought the main point of shields was just to help provide more avenues for pickaxe balancing because it fucking sucks

Efficiency when squared scaling 🥹🥹🥹

shield spawner feedback when it is low(high)key a pickaxe balancing feedback

[random mirage]

im literally so confused

is this supposed to be a joke

i think it is ok nvm

[naive spoke]

imo trapped elite spawners do what I feel like shielded spawners are trying to do

idgaf about shielded spawners, but I'm more prone to prepare an interaction because I recognize a trapped elite spawner within the area

[leaden pumice]

At one point I decide just ignore that shield spawner in rampart cause mine it is time waste + wrothless, the most problem I found on shield spawner and large amount other spawner is I have no reason to mine it

If break shield can't increase spawner break count in poi, I would perfer just skip it, same as those doing different thing, most of time I can just kill mob and leave that area + mine no shield spawner

So I don't think it serve prevent spawner rush when nothing stop u ignore it, which is why that cz room is great use of shield

This is also why I think drilling is such a bad enchant cause limit use, and it kind of break the point of shield if goal is make u pay effort to it