and it's an issue that pretty much affects all classes most likely
#Warrior Enhancement Feedback
visual ocean
winged crown
visual ocean
if you want to argue about the progression system of r1 and r2 being unfavorable you can make a feedback thread
winged crown
yeah either way outside r3 all class choices are fugged
visual ocean
though it's possible it'll be closed since TM is most likely aware of it
winged crown
cause the balancing isnt designed to allow use of older items
visual ocean
actually there's no "possible" about it
they specifically designed r3 to be antithetical to the old progression system
in case of item budget and power through progression
winged crown
anyways id like to take a moment to mention that no way the dev that made the "Amaranth Blade" (fire sword from r2 casino) didnt know what they were doing
regardless, would love to discuss r3 item balance for warrior
cause ngl weapon picks for warrior in r3 are kinda dry
like I said earlier, most builds either use epoch, telum, or wrench; to a lesser degree there's also EX C'Scala. There might be some that still use spec axes like Hammer of Legacy or Shroombane, or maybe the occasional courage of the rampart(even though its more of a cleric weapon from what I can tell) or tact axe user
tough fulcrum
vedhas 
winged crown
nobody uses Ex spiritspark. I'll say it I called it that it was a mid weapon from the start
i said, its not worth the 0.6 attack speed, the damage and smite doesnt make up for it
but nooo, everybody was all crazy about it
now look where it is
sitting there gathering fuckin dust
cause everybody realized it sucked
tough fulcrum
ex spiritspark only does marginally more damage than telum with smite active
visual ocean
@hybrid vessel @azure depot requesting that this message gets pinned, along with this one #1204695234781380628 message
pinging you both since youre the two mods in this thread
winged crown
as for vedhas i hold no ill will towards it. I used it back when I found it during my first blue run when I was doing mainline. Great weapon, was better back then though
found it in one of the chests after beating an asc pyromancer in fire. good times. used it to clear the rest of fire branch then the rest of the dungeon
sadly it just isnt used that much anymore
past storm
ex spiritspark only does marginally more damage than telum *with* smite active
it really is a dps weapon pretty much
i've only seen it used in zenith sometimes
only because axe aspect helps enable it there probably
past storm
i mean armor can handle it
i use telum and it's fine for me
but telum is a generally strong weapon where spritspark ex is situational and hardly makes up for it
consider tactitian's axe gaining a whole extra .1 attack speed in exchange for getting comparable damage only on the first hit
tough fulcrum
i mean armor can handle it
armor can only handle it due to frenzy lol
agi is fucked
past storm
i play guardian telum without frenzy fine but that doesn't tell you much because i can't show you
tough fulcrum
what do you not bhop?
tough fulcrum
yech
past storm
honestly kills extremly tanky elites fine in star point
sometimes i'll kill an elite by hitting it twice with guardian faster than the time it takes to do the same on berserker
i do think frenzy is hard to pass up tho
tough fulcrum
i deal with tanky elites by letting them hit me and then splitting them in two with a riposte crit
past storm
riposte 2 is hard for me to justify despite telum
having a 12 second instakill cooldown goes against why i love playing berserker
tough fulcrum
well i don't use a shield so it's easy for me to drop dline
crimson tithe is just too good to give up
past storm
not having frenzy hurts a lot more if you tend to miss attacks
tough fulcrum
crisp grove
this message is use for I can follow this post
hybrid vessel
crisp grove
(also the pinned 50 limit is per post btw) (not whole feedback channel last time I checked)
marble ember
nobody uses Ex spiritspark. I'll say it I called it that it was a mid weapon fro...
i use ex spiritspark only on skt second part mini bosses, i do have to drink astral ale and haste to make the best of it, but potions are to be used anyways, thats the ONLY place i use that thing
past storm
i wonder if it came with lifedrain instead of regen it'd be interesting
plucky escarp
This would hurt me because I like slow swords
And axe riposte is absolutely useless (compared to sword riposte)
past storm
i wouldn't say "absolutely useless" but you're basically picking between stunning an enemy not of your choosing, or instantly killing an enemy of your choosing
unless you're using some kind of fast weapon
with low damage
it's far worse than the sword riposte for sure
plucky escarp
yes exactly
also especially since you don’t get to choose what to stun
What if you’re fighting 3 dreads and it decides to stun one of the dreadlings, for example
past storm
i mean
plucky escarp
And also sword double damage works on bosses, axe riposte wouldn’t besides maybe rooting depending on the boss
plucky escarp
You’re right lol
Either way
If there’s like 20 enemies stunning one won’t help that much
past storm
yeah
plucky escarp
That also helps my point since if you can’t stun them, what’s the point of having the stun in the first place in that situation
past storm
i wonder what could change about the axe effect to be a bit more appealing
plucky escarp
I do think that making the stun happen in a small range would be much better, but potentially broken
Or, make it be able to stun X amount of enemies around you, and allow charms to change it
past storm
i don't really think that sounds "broken" when you're putting it up against a literal double damage attack
plucky escarp
true
past storm
even then i don't even run riposte 2 because i don't like it
visual ocean
Anyone else think I should add "suggested changes" to the enhancement
tough fulcrum
food for thought for TM is never a bad thing
especially when easily accessible and they dont have to dig for it in trashfire-discussion
visual ocean
It's not always a trashfire
But the only current "suggested change" I have is a suggestion to make frenzy E a more momentum buildup
Instead of a straight dmg buff
Smth like 5% increment that adds with itself and then decays either all at once or 5% at a time
Up to the current 15% dmg
past storm
i'd rather it decay quickly and all at once
visual ocean
Tbh
past storm
the current iteration is already good
past storm
yeah
visual ocean
Instead of "coddling" you and decaying slowly
More skill expression ig
Also it adds smth else charms can mess with
Like +1 frenzy dmg stack
Or to modify the decay duration
past storm
def more interesting already
visual ocean
Etc
tough fulcrum
more charm stats is always good
past storm
the fact that this damage would likely work on melee abilities now should be accounted for
unsure if they can implement it this way and keep it for just melee attacks
probably but idk
visual ocean
It's just melee dmg rn?
past storm
i don't think it's necessary at all
berserker gaining another 15% dmg all the time is not needed
visual ocean
Feel like it'd be helpful for base warrior abilities tho
tough fulcrum
^
visual ocean
But
past storm
i mean sure
visual ocean
Hm
past storm
but it's just gonna help berserker even more
if you can bash good i'm sure your GB and slam will be more gooder
past storm
Feel like it'd be helpful for base warrior abilities tho
also what abilities does base warrior have that deal damage aside from bash?
you have the riposte enhancement technically in r3
visual ocean
Yeah not really anything
past storm
yeah
visual ocean
This is so sad can we give warrior more actives
tough fulcrum
so true
visual ocean
Actually ig it'd help for bforce
visual ocean
Unless that's already affected by current frenzy E
I haven't used that enhancement in a bit
tough fulcrum
bforce damage scaling is so
visual ocean
Omg .3 more dmg!
tough fulcrum
bforce charms also just get fucked
visual ocean
Yeah it might as well stay with current functionality of only melee hits
past storm
the final non berserker damage ability is just shield wall
tough fulcrum
morel's takes a 75% hit instantly when you equip it
visual ocean
Shield wall ,,,
past storm
which honestly isn't worth trying to make deal any damage
visual ocean
Alright so I'll come up with smth to add but probably in a whilen
If someone else does it first I'll copy paste it and put it at the top
tough fulcrum
the more ideas the better
past storm
a rework of the counterstrike enhancement along with a replacement skill for guardian would be ideal
tough fulcrum
just add links below the enhancement paragraphs to the ideas
visual ocean
I probably will add a link because there's not much more typing space
thorny nimbus
The amount of time shields are stunned for when blocking certain mob attacks now scales with region; previously, the same ratio was used across regions which caused even relatively low-damage attacks in R2 and especially R3 to stun shields for a long time. This will reduce shield break times in R2 and R3 by ~30% to ~40%.
For more specific details, the previous rate was every 2.5 damage = 1s of shield break time across all regions
The update changes this to 2.5 damage/1s in R1, 3.5 damage/1s in R2, and 4 damage/1s in R3
thorny nimbus
So if you blocked a 30 damage attack in R3, before, it would break shield for 12 seconds, but after the change, it breaks it for only 7.5 seconds
visual ocean
thank you frozenearth very cool
i may now rest and watch the sunrise on a grateful universe
potent pebble
> The amount of time shields are stunned for when blocking certain mob attacks n...
My most beloved FrozenEarth ❤️
visual ocean
man there's no glaze emote 😔
tough fulcrum
warped portal
FrozenEarth rep + 100
tough fulcrum
not a huge fan of stamina
shit does too much fucking damage in r3 to be fooling with it
visual ocean
It's aight
azure depot
my first r3 build was stamina then I realized it's eh and moved on
I am currently fw maris noctis
but idk not all that satisified
@visual ocean can we discuss warrioring stuff here or what
I need a warrior safe space
visual ocean
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Yeah
I was planning on adding "suggested changes" but I'm a very lazy man
And also
It'd probably bloat the feedback
Anyways you guys can go off I must rest my weary little eyes and dream of bashing mobs
prime bough
Opinion on stamina
stamina is very good in my experience
i passively gain damage while skill issuing and i bonk whatevers attacking me with telum or stomp on it
with FoL, gbrew, and forgeflame it becomes very nice to gain dmg and instantly heal it back
azure depot
well you're sacrificing damage for just complicated damage
prime bough
yes
prime bough
i have increased preformance against crowds
azure depot
just use meteor slam for crowds
prime bough
by the way stamina in my build was an accident
i didnt even realise i had it
in situations where I can't effectively meteor slam i do rely on stamina (i. e. bosses where its better dps to stamina stack)
rare drift
Opinion on stamina
I have one level of Stamina as a side effect of runnin' Remnants of Isharist, and I consistently forget that I do because it really doesn't do enough for me to notice outside of, like. (mini)boss fights, where I'm not payin' too much attention to my damage output, anyway, because I'm takin' like 5 hearts of damage per hit, and bluntly, I don't have enough Life Drain to tank that
marble ember
when i started making my build in r3 i just wanted attack speed and the stamina gear had the most, once people started talking about my stamina build i realized what it actually does
im too lazy to make another build when this one works just fine for most content, but i have to agree this playstyle on very high delves or zenith doesnt work, everything hits too hard, this is part of the reason i been avoiding zenith
i enjoy having a lot of sustain in bers so i can feel like an actually berserker just never dying and charging at everything so stamina works the best to use that sustain
blissful gull
For me I feel its a keystone for the bruiser-melee oriented class (Reaper, Berserker, and Swordsage if ur like that?)
Certain items can get away offensively and defensively ( Adanartis, Soul of Silver ) and its a really nice compromise
It does alright in max points (or how i feel atleast) but for zenith its impossible because shadow has no form of self sustain
warped portal
Earth tree only slows the bleeding (if you even have it), and rejuv does not do enough (if you have dawn) to keep you going in the higher threat environment of melee distance
tough fulcrum
i keep forgetting that holding my wrench is actually faster than holding tnorth
WM E goes hard
plucky escarp
I love Stamina I know that topic is kind of gone now
I’ve used it since like the first couple of months and it still feels strong to me
tough fulcrum
im not a huge fan
plucky escarp
but yeah it doesn’t work in high points, luckily I play generally just around 12
plucky escarp
And also I wouldn’t try using it in zenith at all lol
tough fulcrum
and i build WAY tankier than normal
tough fulcrum
like ive got broodhide, fortified rage, i sometimes run rampage 2
past storm
Stamina is okay, it's definitely a shadow of its former self especially since shield blocking was removed from it, and the fact a lot of damage items now exist to compete with it. It's in a fair spot I think.
azure depot
Former self? Was it nerfed?
I do remember it being different than it's current enchant description
I have not tried it since then
blissful gull
yeah you could get stamina from shielding which was a bit silly
past storm
but it's mainly just in terms of relevance
on one hand allowing through shield blocking would make the situational more viable in harder content and help remove "it's unusable here" a bit
but on the other hand making it require you take damage allows it to be precisely balanced around that fact, knowing there's always a cost to that power
i don't really know how to feel either way
azure depot
I think you can just obtain higher damage without having to rely on stamina
A full r3 armor stamina build gets you like 8(?) stamina stacks, which is 80% at best, which isn't all that, considering you're sacrificing pieces for that
past storm
well it's multiplicative
azure depot
Oh
blissful gull
You aren't supposed to build full stanina?
azure depot
How much damage would that be
azure depot
You aren't supposed to build full stanina?
It still would not be all that
past storm
my build has like stamina 3 and it's good, doesn't really need full to be good or anything
just dealing 30% more damage is good
azure depot
I mean, a lot of people use belt of the tyrant, I think it's nice only because of the melee protection
30% after taking 4 hits
past storm
which isn't really that bad
azure depot
Every like idk 6-8s? Not sure how long stamina is
azure depot
I'd rather vilepriest garments or vesp"s hunger
blissful gull
Well if you like those items then go ahead
azure depot
So 30%/22.5%/15%/7.5%
blissful gull
As i said before its a really nice middle ground for items to be both offensive and defensive, well rewards self sustaining classes
Just need more items like soul of silver or adanartis 😔
past storm
rewards aggressive, fast-paced playstyles especially
rare drift
i keep forgetting that holding my wrench is actually faster than holding tnorth
we love E Weapon Mastery
it actually makes Wrench BIS speed for the Ring, I think
and I find that funny
rotund narwhal
it actually makes Wrench BIS speed for the Ring, I think
and I find that funny
it isnt
scout gives 20% with a skill
and then 18 while holding something else
which is better than 15 16
But its pretty close.
visual ocean
wrench usage?
the recent buff made its base dmg not awful
the 1.4 atkspeed is nice and taspect is cool
"recent" aka like 2 months ago
rotund narwhal
you get the benefits of an axe with the atk speed of a sword
visual ocean
pretty much
azure depot
what buff is that
visual ocean
lets you get away with more dmg instead of having to build atkspeed
and such and such
base dmg buff
idr the exact numbers
thorny nimbus
What having usable base damage does to an item
visual ocean
i just know it got a base dmg buff
azure depot
Curious what delve infusions you guys use
I have always went vengeful/usurper/execution/decap/grace/understanding
visual ocean
if im running a bit of a tankier set i use mostly dmg
also idk if anyone knew this
and idk how good this is but
blissful gull
Same delve infusion except carapace instead of vengeful
visual ocean
if you use shield bash
azure depot
But now my set doesn't really need that much attack speed (even though it's 0.99 atk speed) so I am thinking carapace
azure depot
Well yeah stuns
visual ocean
you just have to hit the mob fast enough
azure depot
Free like 5% damage?
visual ocean
ya
blissful gull
It's a little awkward having bash as your source of choler dmg
azure depot
With enhancement and the epic charm maybe not
rare drift
Curious what delve infusions you guys use
Galvanic / Grace / Carapace / Soothing / Empowered / Decapitation
for hat / shirt / pant / shoe / shield / axe, respectively
azure depot
What
rare drift
on my Valley build I use Vengeful on Memorandum instead of Empowered because nothing on my Valley build ever runs out of durability anyway due to a mix of unbreakable items and Mending items, but I don't know if that's entirely relevant here
azure depot
Any reason why you don't use understanding or execution or vengeful or carapace
rare drift
fair enough
blissful gull
No usurping?
azure depot
I have recently switched life drain from my build and to say I have felt barely any difference is not joking
rare drift
anyway
Understanding actually would be nice but. Forum
Execution is a neat damage bonus for people that actually kill things often enough to keep it up. I do not
Vengeful is actually really good I think and I use it on my Valley build I just don't have room for it on my Isles and Ring builds because I want to unfuck durability issues
azure depot
Like I used to like it so much but it's not all that really
azure depot
anyway
Understanding actually would be nice but. Forum
Execution is a neat dama...
I think empowered works on pickaxe? Haven't read the description but that's what people use it on
rare drift
Usurper could be neat on my Ring build since I actually can manage to get enough attack speed with Wrench to basically not require Grace
however, I also run Sludge Stompers on the same build and crit like mad in every encounter, and I get a lot of my sustain in the Ring that way + Rampage w/ Silver Pauldron
azure depot
It mostly looks like a pickaxe infusion anyway
Usurper is like top #1 delve infusion
Especially in ring with legionary
Me when I kill 2 elites and their dreads and heal up 50%
blissful gull
Usurper could be neat on my Ring build since I actually can manage to get enough...
There's just something about killing an elite and its dread and having your hp spike
It makes you more berserker-y, reckless, go in and murder
rare drift
the problem is that if I play reckless I fall over and die before I can kill shit like elites and dreads anyway
:trol
so the heal on elite kill is completely lost on me, because by the time the elites dies, if I played reckless, chances are so did I
Berserker also has a number of options for more generalist sustain between multiple Life Drain options, that generalist charm that makes Life Drain better and its upgrade that makes Life Drain better-er, and Rampage, especially with Silver Pauldron now providin' a way to buff Rampage's self-sustain and damage output alike
so I tend to go for those instead of Usurper since they work in a wider variety of scenarios
marble ember
Curious what delve infusions you guys use
understanding/carapace/quench/soothing/decap/ execution or grace depending the speed of main weapon, empowered on pickaxe and refresh on consumables
azure depot
Why soothing isn't it like barely any hp
sudden wyvern
9.6% of yer max hp per minute at lv4
azure depot
Huh?
Isn't it like 0.004 hp per level per second
That's still divided across the minute which makes it feel more eh
azure depot
My atk speed with grace is 1.05 and without it's 0.99 so idk if it's worth removing
With this build frenzy is always active and it's like genuinely so reckless so I always got good attack speed with frenzy, which is why I wanna remove it for carapace
rare drift
Soothing is 0.04/sec/level
or at least I remember it bein' that when I last looked at the description
yep
so w/ Soothing V (ft. Revelation), you regenerate 0.2 health per second
i.e. half a heart every 2.5 seconds
it's not HUGE like Regeneration as an enchant or the rare Regeneration potion effect is, but it's definitely something
thorny nimbus
i.e. half a heart every 2.5 seconds
Don’t you mean half a heart every 5 seconds
azure depot
"but it's definitely something" it's not imo but everybody got opinions
Soothing would save as many situations as much as it heals you every second, 0.5 situations
marble ember
how much is the % healing from 1 elite with usurper?