Sirius feedback

[forest helm]

ofc thatd require something to damage people far from sirius, otherwise the -hp doesnt matter

maybe the -hp could ramp up even faster like before changes? that is if there is no blight near the dps area specifically

oer on the way

i feel like that would also work thematically, sirius gathering blight from all over the arena to make that last attack

so it slowly creeps over to him

[candid flint]

I feel like as a whole monu could benefit from elemental mobs

Or smth

[forest helm]

i feel like monu as a whole could benefit from special ids

[candid flint]

True

Nah but actually

Like mobs that take more magic dmg and lless of the rest acually

Theres like barely any elem’ts

[forest helm]

finally magehunter mobs will actually hunt mages

[candid flint]

Make arcanist great again

I kill 2 mobs whilst scout kills 40 with volley

Fun

[forest helm]

oh yeah that would be a VERY useful content balancing tool

for example the aforementioned elite group of mobs - they can die to a single hunter volley, but if their projectile prot is buffed that would give space to other aoe classes

that would probbaly be hard to code tho

[candid flint]

Dummies know what type of dmg they took

Use that code and win

[umbral marlin]

my experience keeping a losing battle going for far too long: auroroa's thing is way too hard. i think ive seen it succed 1 out of every 8 times

i believe that the reason for this is because everybody has to contribute to succeed, and some people either cant or arent aware of what to do. before they got spread out, needing everyone to contribute was masked by volley/split arrow, but that isnt possible anymore

[glad shoal]

I think a maybe good solution could be spreading them out but having the things in clumps so that ranged aoe abilities can feel impactful

[mild tusk]

😂

[glad shoal]

[inner bay]

Put some in reach of melee🔥

[old imp]

honestly its not a big ask to have a bow instead of a pickaxe for this fight

[still remnant]

Maybe people are used to hugging tuulen so nobody shoots the stars near aurora

[old imp]

tuulen is nicer 🥺

[tough cairn]

Tuulen didn't kill the friend

[karmic flame]

spoilers smh

[tough cairn]

less sane people have other answers

u sirius right neow brueh

[old imp]

#screenshots message

[tough cairn]

real

Tuulen is a G

Aurora is that one popular girl you are forced to do the group project with

[old imp]

who also just got off a murder charge because of some bullshit reasoning

[tough cairn]

the popular girl would be capable of murder

[old imp]

tripped the quiet kid down the stairs for her own amusement the sake of the world

yknow, I wonder if Aurora's gonna join up with Calder once we beat her to the punch for Indigo
or become the real big bad and coup Calder (or maybe he becomes an Aurora simp)

[wintry verge]

my one exprience with new blight wall is that i got hit 4 times in the safe part of it and died.

i am starting to think blight wave shouldnt even be an ability because of how buggy it has been

[lusty ore]

Make it Echo Charge from Silver Construct

[inner ice]

Blight Paradox

[quick plover]

anyone who can list every single way you gain back HP?

[jagged swan]

I think all these , idk about Crowded Blight tho

[inner bay]

Breaking Star Energy, Killing Crowned and Tuulen Mobs, Killing Elites, Damaging Sirius when the core is open, reality distortion cleanse, and standing next to Aurora or Tuulen during Encroaching iirc

[candid flint]

I think blightwave should absolutely get a second hole when sirius is above a certain amount of hp

if you're on the other side you just cant dodge it without mobility

[old imp]

more holes and more waves 😁
instead of it being a complete pace-changer, have it so you weave through them while doing your thing

[wintry verge]

if the holes work

[old imp]

Im ignoring the unintended issues when I talk here, because I assume that they are known the minute a player first encounters them

[ashen mortar]

at the risk of increasing hotbar clutter, i think it would be nice if sirius advanced a pace if the number of ads on the field built past a certain threshold, that way we have some incentive to kill mobs beyond just Crowned Blight

could be interesting to maybe make mobs more powerful the further sirius gets pushed back? would give a sense of progression while making ad spawns a bigger threat that we have to actively prune despite freeing up the arena a lot more

[coarse trench]

I believe this is already being looked into!

[ashen mortar]

Woot

[jagged swan]

Here is an idea

not use motion/velocity on blight wave

use relative small tp instead

it will prevent more face tank

[mild tusk]

Doesn't that still let people put their back against a wall and just eat one hit

[mild tusk]

Also if this is happening, personally I think it'd be cooler if more dangerous enemies spawned (maybe elites start spawning or maybe the blight pods spend less time incubating) instead of just hp and dmg bloat

Which i think is lame

But maybe I'm dumb! Idk!

[slender jackal]

add back fwap creepers

[mild tusk]

What.

[slender jackal]

they were these funny creepers that dropped potions that dealt % health damage

and instantly killed you

[mild tusk]

😹

Where did those appear

[jagged swan]

you tp through the wall

[mild tusk]

Makes sense

[slender jackal]

during the round of testing I participated in

they got removed after that

[mild tusk]

??? Wtf

That's hilarious

[jagged swan]

@ Fwap elabrate

[slender jackal]

well someone would blow one up and then like half the party would just cease to exist

[mild tusk]

Griefing!

Does blight wave do true dmg or smth

[jagged swan]

magic

so people using 500 magic ehp set and hut it

hug

[mild tusk]

Yeah

Should do true dmg maybe?

Still think it should fling you back tho

Gives you a chance to clutch maybe

I sometimes clutch with bguard

Other people can clutch with mobility or a tp ability or smth else idk

[old imp]

still think it should 1 shot when it gets more gaps 😁

[grim bay]

From the stars hits on the ledges, I imagine this shouldn't be the case?

[silent umbra]

Sure but it does mean no one exists due to lingering -20% max hp damage plus high damage

[slender jackal]

that's what makes it fun

[candid flint]

WHY CAN IT HEAL UP 40% HP WHEN A SINGLE PERSON DIES??

how tf r u supposed to enjoy public party sirius when the boss just regens all its health after a single person die

which happens all game long

[eternal frigate]

should've played hiero

or guardian

or tank tenebrist

and supported your team all game long

[candid flint]

surely

im having SO much fun playing public key sirius man

[wintry verge]

just play mage so you dont have to rely on teammates

[old imp]

Player death doesn't regen that much

Honestly just that so many players can wipe from the thing that's fixed today

[lusty ore]

I was actually having a pretty good time testing new Sirius (aside from the obvious issues with blight wave not rendering properly due to janky display entities) until I went to fight in the final phase and got yanked into the ocean for no reason at the last second.

Like a Malediction Spectre had pulled me

[fierce rapids]

Probably just invisible blight wave bumping you off

[lusty ore]

Probably

[shrewd grail]

a bit odd that the Sirius does no damage to player below him, as he fell during From the Stars.

What I expect is getting high dmg like Crushing Weight, instead of being push away.

[stark panther]

I think the real deal is the mini blight wave

[jagged swan]

👍 idk is this week or not but I saw blight infection level debuff in tab now

[silent umbra]

That happened last week

[forest helm]

DEFINITELY nerf sirius healing from death

just had a boss heal from last bar to 100% hp (thus instantly losing) in a matter of like 3 attacks

why bother making the keys public if a couple of bad players mess everything up

the fight is harder anyway because the players died, now its not difficult but borderline impossible

or at least not worth the time

also as most people saw the reality distortion + blight wave combo isnt actually fixed

so... thats fun

[silent umbra]

There is no heal on death directly

[forest helm]

what is the healing from?

[fierce rapids]

Probably healing from failing declarations

Which if players die, they can't complete it and probably cause it to fail for everyone and cause the mega heal

[forest helm]

that sounds reasonable

anyway i think there should be a failsafe to prevent large heals like that

and make it more forgivable

it is incredibly discouraging to see you are gonna have to deal more than the damage you already dealt even

especially since sirius isnt a boss you can always dps, but the dps phases are basicallytime kept since you need to complete tasks to see the core at all

so each hp bar more means a lot of time that cannot be reduced by any means

even more especially since there are less people now

[silent umbra]

how long was the fight?

[hazy tulip]

still a strong believer that sirius desperate phase should more dramatic (let him threaten to blow up the entirety of star point or something lawl)

[slender jackal]

if a party wipes in Sirius final phase the ring shard should crash

[thorn bridge]

well the boss is already bringing the shard to its knees as is

[inner bay]

Sirius’ role in his own fight is pretty passive on god fr fr

His most truly active contributions to the Fight are dropping, Infinity Beam, Companion Corruption, and From the Stars. Most of the other attacks has Sirius just sitting around twiddling his tentacle thumbs

Also his dialogue is also pretty passive

You’d think it’d have a bit more oomph or emotion charged into it but it just feels so, mildly confused? like he’s less so angry or some such and is just perplexed during the entire fight.

Like his Crowned Blight Sucess dialogue feels super mild, he just says that you killed ‘em and the stars will displeasured about it, not angry just displeased.

He seems super confused during Encroaching Blight Success, and his Impaling doom dialogue feels a bit better since he actually seems to get kinda upset about it

[tough cairn]

"Oh no whatever will I do" ahh energy

[humble olive]

I mean he’s a star. Every star has treated events like nothing because thats what they are to them

[tough cairn]

yes but this event KILLS HIM

he DIES

[inner bay]

He melts into slush

All the Star plans in Star point essentially go to waste if he dies

[humble olive]

Then why can we fight him more than once

[inner bay]

Evil Magicks

[tough cairn]

you can make more than one meatball with the ground beef tube

[humble olive]

Also im gonna be real andromeda didnt seem that emotional that she was dying so like

I think the heralds just dont value their lives

They just see themselves as tools

[inner bay]

also the lack of Fight progression hits pretty hard with it mostly just being the same song and dance for the entire fight, I think the only changes in the fight are when he adds more waves to From the Stars, and Companion Corruption.

[inner bay]

Andromeda was rotting in the depths of the ocean for decades at that point

[humble olive]

Really my only issue with the text in sirius is the summon having the same color as drask

[inner bay]

Also stars do seem to be able to be pretty emotionally charged considering the Vesperidys’ Dialogue

[inner bay]

Yeah making it the Arena Log Out purple would be nice

[humble olive]

I would also really like a diff summon SOUND

Like theres 3 roars and hek

[hazy tulip]

You can make him emotionless but you can still also make it have a heavy presence

it is a tool of eldritch outsiders afterall

[humble olive]

True

[inner bay]

But anyways nowadays my only issues with Sirius are just how the impact of the dialogue feels off and how the fight barely has any real phased progression that change anything about the fight.

[coarse trench]

So I will say this is how I wrote the dialogue to play out

I see Sirius as an observer who only now is being forced to participate properly and who assumes his old tactics will continue to work even when on the ground

And wrote him as such

[humble olive]

Unrelated ik but since ur here mr lore-y lore, is brown energy or something else

[coarse trench]

Notably, he’s also not a star, just a herald of them

[coarse trench]

Yes, Energy

[humble olive]

Thought so

Also thanks

[shrewd grail]

Sirius seems lack of winning animation as the progress bar reach 100%.
It's rare that he reach the tomb in public fight instead of being kicked into the ocean.
This happened yesterday and what i saw was a instant kill and fail message. That's ... boring and empty ending i think.

Some ending animation should be add, like Sirius destroy the tomb and make the whole arena blighted, all player get kill by fast blight infection?

[old imp]

We all get siezed by his spikes and held in the air and crushed

[shrewd grail]

That will be too fast
Sirius should watch us slowly blight to dead and mock at our fail

[old imp]

I strongly suspect the elites in Sirius have normal Iframes, which might be why things can happen like
"The magma cube is the first 'crown' mob attacked in a wave, yet is the last one to die"

[jagged swan]

👍 didn't see invisiable blight wall nowadays

good job tm

[candid flint]

why does impaling doom deal dmg / regen boss hp but blight wave doesnt?

[wintry verge]

Because the devs know blight wave is not there to dodged but to tank it

[silent umbra]

If you insta die when he reaches a tomb that’s a bug he’s supposed to play out him smashing the tomb while the arena is covered in blight

[wintry verge]

Are you planning to do any changes to blight wave? It feels quite awful in it's current state. It can eat up a lot of the DPS phase timer and it is close to undodgeable in combination with some attacks. Not to mention the numerous bugs like safespots still dmging you and it being invisible

[silent umbra]

Do you have a clip of it damaging you in the safe spot?

[rich vortex]

why was the blight removal thing removed

i had to find out the hard way earlier today 😔

[mild tusk]

completing tasks removes the blight effect, which imo is a better way than sitting put on a ledge

[rich vortex]

i was standing on ledge wondering why i wasnt healing and then blight wall came and one shot me

[karmic flame]

It was a very campable spot

[thorn bridge]

yeah but why does bottled font exist now when theres no font

[mild tusk]

I REALIZED THAT TOO LMAO

[rich vortex]

but then why keep the ledge at all?

now its just some random spot with no reason to go to at all

[karmic flame]

I still use it to shoot out the blight thingies that fly

But I'm not the one* to ask on design intent, I just was there on week one and saw the 12 people sitting on top of the pillars every fight doing nothing

[wintry verge]

I don't have the fps to record . I get 10-20 as is .it might have been the invisible bug in that area as well

[candid flint]

rename it to bottle

tuulen bath water..

[mild tusk]

Now that I knew everything about blight wave and how to counter it, the boss looped back around to being boring for me

Oh wait I forgot to translate this out of nip nop language

With blight wave being less threatening to me since I either go through the gaps or tank it by putting my back against a wall, the boss felt mundane

Didn't help that the run I was in had no "shoot stars" task, which is the one thing I felt pressured to contribute towards

So I just felt like I was doing not much

[eternal frigate]

basically it all links back to sirius being a passive boss

ngl though blight wave is good in the sense that it actually forces you to care

a ton

sirius was lacking some big high damage attacks

[mild tusk]

True but it's still really slow and non threatening aside from when it BS'd you

I had a terrible idea where the "charging blight wave" would render the wall in, along with all the gaps

For you to get a look at it for a moment

Before the "unleashing" part

Made it shoot through super fast

[lusty ore]

Like Broodmother Dash?

[mild tusk]

Yeah

[lusty ore]

That'd be neat if the tomb had a lighting update

[mild tusk]

Ans then it can chain with other walls

[lusty ore]

Because right now I can't see even if it's the middle of the day

[mild tusk]

So it dashes, you gotta move to one area

It charges again and dashes

Move again

Could make the boss feel less slow

[old imp]

That or have the wall chain like 5 times at minimum and have more gaps

[bold crag]

Crowned Blight Elites should have a little less hp and more generally threatening abilities imo

Rn they are health bloats that take a lot of time to cut down and they rarely do anything threatening

[cerulean gust]

Invincibility on enderman is.... pretty lame

I'm already waiting for tasks to occur, an elite that makes me wait more contributes to the more scripted feel of the boss fight

[old imp]

Elites have I frames maybe

Might want to let multiple people contribute to damage against them

[raw bison]

Enderman spawning in Crowned Blight is really unfair.

Their ability to become invincible is okay for spawning from pods, but when you are timed on their kill, it just makes it a "do you have a rogue!" guessing game.

and sometimes, the rogue cant help because they used their abils on the other elite

[mild tusk]

The magma slime elite tends to get knocked around pretty violently, very annoying on melee classes

Dunno if it's an intended thing and that maybe scouts should deal with that elite, but if it could get high amounts of knockback resistance it would hopefully not get thrown around so much

It being knocked around so much also spreads blight a lot and since they're such hp bloats it usually survives long enough to spread a decent amount of blight

But maybe that's intended, still kind of lame tho

[jagged swan]

enderman is bane of projectile and magma slime is bane of melee

idk what golem doing

[mild tusk]

Golem guy is just silly

[cedar wharf]

golem and hoglin are annoying for melee because of the kb 2000000

[eager salmon]

So whats going to happend with the upper platforms now?

[coarse trench]

instant death

[fierce rapids]

I'm gonna give the magma cube more KBR

[jagged swan]

do you mean negative one

I want more ocean swimming magma cuvw

cuve

cube

wtf is my hands

[raw bison]

I do not think “simply have this class!” Is a good player side resolution to an issue

[jagged swan]

But uh it’s world boss ! And solo is like 0 elite spawn

[mild tusk]

If it's the solution that TM intended then I don't think I have a say

Or else I'll get 🐦 🐦‍⬛

[raw bison]

I think world bosses are slightly more leniant but still should not rely on it as it can limit specific players participation. Especially in a fight that has 1 thing happening at a time rather than multiple at once like hek or kaul.

[mild tusk]

Agree

[raw bison]

Eldrask is also a one at a time boss but doesnt have any attacks that limit participation on specific classes, except maybe for moving eldrask under an icicle.

[tough cairn]

No piece of content should discriminate against classes

[old imp]

well... scout

[tough cairn]

There's room for optimization and such, but if this boss actively counters a specific class then I'd start asking why this can happen

say I'm a Warlock main and I don't have the mobility for Blight Wave spam, what do I do?

[old imp]

ideally scout wouldn't have to be directed designed against, but you know...

[raw bison]

It exists in a lot of places. Xenotopsis anti-projectile, water combat as a whole

[tough cairn]

yeah 😔

[old imp]

water combat is just a vanilla issue
should make moving downwards in water crit

[raw bison]

or swimming

[coarse trench]

Recoil

[tough cairn]

I don't see that as valid imo

[thorn bridge]

9 ire lockbox

[tough cairn]

you are now forcing every Warlock player to carry a Recoil crossbow, assuming any Recoil crossbow will work and not the Hekawt Epic

[thorn bridge]

blight wave being an artificial and sorta strict movement speed check feels really weird

[cerulean gust]

I guess you're now taxed into speed potions

[thorn bridge]

at least things like stomp and gravity well had more leeway

[cerulean gust]

If blightwave functioned closer to Broodmother dash, would it be better received? Telegraph before close to instant charge, but distance towards the start/sea wouldn't be as limiting

Still agree, especially with the fonts gone the arena feels... Odd

[tough cairn]

Making a skill demand movement abilities to avoid is also pretty frustrating when I play the classes that do have movement. Rather than it being a luxury of my class, I have to relegate it to specific use times and cases.

[cerulean gust]

The best you can do for recoil without buying an epic (bad precedent) or a patron item (also bad precedent) is red rooster which is only QC2

(or hrimnir ball but that's also prohibitively expensive/limited acquisition)

[mild tusk]

I would also say this for "tanking" skills like bodyguard (if they exist i forget the skills of other classes)

I find myself trying to save bodyguard for when blight wave comes for the offchance I can't make it to the gap (no mobility moment!)

So bguard is always reserved selfishly and defensively instead of maybe using it to save someone else who's low

[raw bison]

so either: get a now obscure patron item, a 1/16? season pass item, or buy an epic?

[mild tusk]

Yeah that's not a solution at all to me

[raw bison]

i guess you could have the recoil 2 unique you get from that one questline

optional questline

[mild tusk]

If my cleric friend did this boss and kept dying to wave, and he asked me for help and my response is "get an extra item" I don't think he would get the item

Especially if he isn't a fan of that kind of item

(He actually is a fan of recoil I think but I do think that wave disproportionately hurts no mobility classes)

[raw bison]

i feel like if the gaps ere 66% the size but mirrored on both sides it would be a lot better.

[mild tusk]

Also maybe like broodmother (bad idea?)

Make the gameplay faster (maybe bad idea?)

[raw bison]

dash?

[mild tusk]

Because honestly I feel like

Dying a slow agonizing death to smth

[old imp]

more gaps, more waves, im telling ya
instead of a mobility check, its a flow check

[mild tusk]

Is less fun than being instantly destroyed

Because if you get caught behind wave and can't get to a gap you get pushed back slowly and slowly and if it's impossible to get to the gap it's a slow painful death

And even if you do you're probably gonna be losing a bunch of hp

[ruby marten]

Did I hear final paradox?

[brave citrus]

touhou up this bitch

[cerulean gust]

Defending Tuulen during Blight Wave feels pretty bad, but having a second wall appear as well feels very excessive (mobs centered in frame are from Defending Tuulen)

Also really don't think I should be teleported by this one

especially when this is the result:

[old imp]

either that or the particles respect elevation

[silent umbra]

Will fix this one so it respects elevation.

[ashen mortar]

personally even with a slow build i manage by moving forward near to where sirius is, which gives me space to react to wherever the blight wave is - but i do agree that blight wave is near impossible if you have anything below 90% speed

[raw bison]

even at 98% speed i can barely switch sides. i dont think the problem lies in getting to the other side, its having to abandon an active task to survive it.

[raw bison]

Especially when that task is encroaching blight or defend tuulen where you must be in a specific location

[cerulean gust]

Yeah situations like these just don't feel very fun

[mild tusk]

feels like almost everything + blight wave is horrible

distorting plus wave and now this

[thorn bridge]

because attacks that shut down the arena havent been allowed to align with important things as much as this

even windspore has branches close to the mushroom to attack weak pts

[ruby marten]

Just tried a 4 man sirius and I'm pretty sure the mob spam just doesn't scale at all which is actually awful, like 30 seconds into the fight there was so many mobs we literally couldn't kill them fast enough while also attempting to complete the tasks which happened twice at once which I've also never noticed during full capped runs (had pods and glowing mobs at the same time as well as a blight wave).

The mob spam should 100% scale how many spawn to make it feel better to play with lower group counts

[silent umbra]

What task stacked?

[ruby marten]

Pods, crowned blight and I think a blightwave near the end

[silent umbra]

the mob spam does scale with players

Only one of those is a task

[ruby marten]

I don't mean like thing you need to do to take his hp down, I mean "thing that I need to do or else I'm doing to die one way or the other", and I don't believe you with the mob spam unless it scales from min -> max over the course of 4 players, or it's bugged. I didn't see a difference between 4 and 25 players

Sure pods might not account for taking sirius' health down, but it's still an objective I need to do right now or else I'm gonna be in trouble, and a blight wave spawns making me avoid that as first priority there is a 0% chance we could have done anything to pass each ability hurdle

[raw bison]

My solo exprience (this was week one) had around half the mobs that a 25 player lobby had.

So, it likely does scale, just slowly.

[ruby marten]

If it does, it needs to be much more sloped imo, like the amount we had at 4 players would be comfortable for a group of 10 imo

[wintry verge]

I have 1 question . why are elites strongewr than the core ?

[raw bison]

likely because you have a time limit on the core and only the core originally, but now you have a time limit on elites too, so idk.

[lapis lagoon]

why are the elites so hard to hit 😔

[mild tusk]

because they have negative KBR and fly around like crazy

i dont notice it on the golem, but eman and slime def need some

eman sometimes gets knocked upwards, slime gets knocked EVERYWHERE

[wintry verge]

can blight wave be made so it doesnt eat half the end timer randomly

it sometimes even eats up 2/3 of it

[old imp]

Alternatively, it's fine with more holes

[vivid crystal]

so i was lagging out in sirius and got killed so i went to the top of the Arena and I noticed just being near the boss lags me out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhgYVjeZ65Y

and when i go back my ping gos back to normal

does anyone know how to fix this

some days its just like this and some days its normal

[jagged swan]

Better wifi

Ok real one try

Add enhanced block entity mod

[dire pond]

Where is that?

[vivid crystal]

thanks i will try that

[forest dust]

Finally gonna write all of my feedback I've thought about so far, big test post time (I was intending this to be another whole thread but I realized I probably shouldn't split the discussion, so excuse any weird phrasing/organization)

In writing this feedback I think it’s important to first establish that Monumenta has incredible world bosses - Kaul, Eldrask, and Hekawt are all very well designed, fair, and fun boss fights (even if the first is showing its age a little). They are all the pinnacle of their respective regions in terms of ability design and presentation, and present a great “hard to learn, but easy when mastered” design that meshes well with the core of Monumenta’s gameplay.

With the established precedent of how the world bosses are, and the generally raised bar of R3 content as a whole, Sirius had some impossibly high expectations to meet, and that’s partially the community’s fault for the negativity. That being said, having fought him relatively consistently for the past few weeks, I think I've come to realize why I do not like this boss.

What I do like:
The Starblight mechanic is great - it provides a non-lethal but still very dangerous deterrent to letting pods hatch and requires constant diligence to avoid the creation of an ocean of starblight, separating islands of safe zones, and further awareness and risk assessment to figure out when and how to cross said ocean. I think the change to make the cleansing tied to winning declarations/killing mobs was a huge improvement, and the blighted ground is genuinely a fun part of the bossfight to deal with.

In addition, attacks that play with the starblight as their primary threat source are also great. Blight Bombs are awesome, I think a lot of the elites and their unique ways of spreading blight is great, and encroaching blight is a cool attack, although I do think that casting it at the start of every fight is a bit of a weird time waster - when it appears in ability rotation, I think it’s nice

I know some people dislike Aurora’s stardust collection task, but I think it’s cool - it does have a bit too tight of a timer for large groups (or people need to start stocking a screwdriver for this fight), and it does seem to fail more often than not due to that, but it is very satisfying to shoot things down or blow them up with class abilities.

Blightwave is fun, actually, and I think conceptually it adds a lot to the fight, and is now a pretty fair attack… as long as it doesn’t get cast alongside specific other tasks (it’s such a big disruptor that it basically is a 100% guaranteed fail of Aurora’s stardust task, infected pod clearing, any of the “core open” states, and usually also fails Tuulen’s “defend me” stage unless everyone is already there). I would honestly like to see it be something more like a phase change attack when he reaches 25% where sirius sends out a series of 4-5 blight waves in succession, so it’d encourage less tanking through and more engaging with the mechanic, and also wouldn’t mess with other tasks as much.

I’ve come around to Sirius’ mentality of “winning the war, not the fight”; needing to take calculated losses is kind of cool, like almost killing yourself trying to core dps Sirius as a blight wave is casted, or letting pods hatch because it’s more important to focus on the immediate task at hand. I think it’s still a bit annoying you can’t succeed at doing everything even if you know exactly what to do just because of bad RNG, but accepting this mentality has helped me a lot.
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What I don’t like:
I think that the healing/ground gaining/losing mechanic, while cool in concept, ends up leading contributing massively to Sirius’ primary issue of being a very RNG-dependent and swing-y fight. He’s extremely easy if you get 4-5 back to back “easy” tasks (Impaling Doom, Encroaching Blight, Defend Tuulen, and especially Core Open Symbol of Infinity), often dying without any risk at all, but if you get even 1 bad combo of blightwave + something or can’t succeed on a task, he heals so much that the momentum of the fight is basically all lost, and it’s extremely easy to death spiral from there. It’s not necessarily that fun stomping Sirius into the dirt with a couple easy cycles, but it’s extremely aggravating seeing all your progress be lost due to factors almost entirely outside of your or your party’s control.

I don’t know how much about the fight would need to be changed to get rid of the mechanic entirely, but at the very least, making effective tasks damage Sirius less and failed tasks heal him for much less would average out the time taken to fight Sirius to a more reasonable amount/make it much less make-or-break on a single failed task.
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I think that the change to add elites to the Starlight Bearer attack (I forget the exact name), while it makes sense as a way of shoring up the difficulty of that attack, fails to take into account how difficult it is to actually kill said elites within the allotted time frame - The Enderman literally goes invulnerable for half the time it's alive (and then loses its colored glowing immediately, so you can’t even tell where it is or if it’s part of the attack), the Magma Cube bounces around so much as to be almost impossible to hit for any melee class (especially in a group, where multiple sources of knockback can launch him halfway across the arena) - only the Iron Golem feels like a fair elite to include in the attack, as he doesn’t have the same issues of being unreasonable to kill in a short timeframe. I’d recommend either making new mobs entirely for this attack (higher health mobs, with some threat, but they don’t have mechanics that make them harder to kill), or adding some other threat present during its duration.
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Good god this fight is laggy - Aurora’s beam especially, since it has so many particles that it slows my otherwise great computer to a crawl when it’s cast, but Impaling Doom, Blightwave, and Sirius himself rely on a lot of block entities and rendering all of those at once (since all those attacks can stack) really takes a hit to performance. I normally am pretty lenient on lag for bosses (it’s gonna lag, there’s 25 people in a single place), but a lot of Sirius’ lag causers could probably be reasonably trimmed down without much impact to aesthetics or readability.

Overall, I do think the departures Sirius took from the ‘standard’ Monumenta bossfight template didn’t necessarily work in its favor - Vesperidys feels much more akin to an R3-ified version of Hekawt or Kaul, and I think he shines as one of the best bosses we’ve seen so far because of that. But I respect the effort in branching out and trying a new system, I think there’s just more that needs to be worked out to make the fight enjoyable and not so RNG-dependent instead of skill-dependent like the others are.

[meager acorn]

i agree with every single part of this

gonna siriusmaxx

[ruby marten]

Turning blight wave from a random cast that can completely screw up any other active task into a 25% and maybe a 5% repeated cast phase change similar to the first boss in final paradox's phase changes would remove any frustration with it imo. Could also add some fun dialogue while it's being cast to add more depth and character to Sirius

Great feedback overall, agree with all of it

[mild tusk]

Good idea, but then maybe it could be unleashed faster than it currently is, like broodmother dash

Having the fight go into the scripted 5 blight waves in a row might feel like a slog if they all do it at the speed they're currently at, especially since this was suggested to happen on their own

With no tasks being interrupted

[old imp]

tasks?

[mild tusk]

The charging blight wave could have a telegraph of the wave and where the gaps will be, then the unleash part will be like sneedmother dash, then it rinses and repeats so you're just moving around to the next spot

[old imp]

like crewmates do?

[forest dust]

amogus?

[mild tusk]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

I HATE IT

[ruby marten]

Yeah for sure they could be much faster if it was a dedicated "time to dodge" phase

[mild tusk]

Yeah

Tho perchance it becomes another distorting reality where it's just a speed gear/mobility check

[ruby marten]

That would make it much more like the 2nd final paradox boss' interphase ability, I definitely think it could be faster, but I'm not sure instant dash if you're not in the place you get yoinked is good, especially with a lot of people I think it would be better if it was at a healthy pace, enough for people to run to it if they're close to the gap

[queen sky]

Fun fact the attacks against sirius are already as low as they can be (1; 2 in the case of npcs) and heals are 5. (Sirius starts at 20, max of 40 where you lose.)
However the numbers have a multiplier that increases by .5 each 1.5mins and the result is floored if I remember.
0 - 1.5 (1): 1/2 5
1.5 - 3 (1.5): 1/3 7
3 - 4.5 (2): 2/4 10
4.5 - 6 (2.5): 2/5 12
6 - 7.5 (3): 3/6 15
So sirius kind of has an enrage timer.

There's also the passive attack against sirius that is by killing normal mobs and elites.

[mild tusk]

Yeah instant dash might not be the best but it being a lot faster would be good, just used broodmother as an example since it's the only thing I can remember

[forest dust]

oh weird

idk I mean the real solution is just bring vesp out of zenith and make him the worldboss

[mild tusk]

Also idk if this is a self report or not but

[forest dust]

that'd be so cool

[mild tusk]

Blight wave was recently changed into it being a "solid wall" supposedly to stop tstep from going through???

But i can bodyguard through it just fine

[ruby marten]

I would also be dying to it like 2x as much if I couldn't bodkin through it lol

[mild tusk]

Weird

Maybe it was to stop the random times people would just walk through it?

[ruby marten]

But if it was it's own dedicated interphase ability it would be much less awful to get caught out by it because I was trying to do something else on the other side of the arena

[queen sky]

Fun fact. Letting pods break isn't just a lose lose. Elites count towards 5 for the passive mob kill task.

[forest dust]

wtf is the passive mob kill task

why are none of these mechanics explained

why have I been able to fight sirius 20-30 times and never have heard of this

[queen sky]

There is a passive mob kill task that every 20*(# of players) mobs killed sirius takes 1*mult damage. (elites count as 5 mobs)
That is why Qween mentions killing blight weaking him or wtv. (I'm pretty sure about this, but I forget to check when I play.)
"Great work adventurers, it seems like all of the blight you have destroyed has injured him." If tuulen says this randomly w/o any tasks happening then the passive task was done I'm pretty sure.
I say this but I can't find it in the code again. Nvm found

[mild tusk]

Maybe that's why Sirius fights where I just killed random mobs for fun went better than ones where I afk...

[forest dust]

ooh

I see

[silent umbra]

this was not the goal the goal was to stop it sometimes randomly going invisible not to stop tstep and body guard

[mild tusk]

Cool!!

I have negative speed so that's preferred for me

[silent umbra]

The goal of the passive kill is to allow for a slight incentive for killing mobs

[queen sky]

Also when pods hatch the elites should take the % health the pod lost to 50% of their hp or smth.
(I dug through the code a little bit. But code is also out dated so take what I say with some salt or however that goes.)

[silent umbra]

this is still true helps give a reason to pump damage in even if you dont kill it.

[vivid crystal]

so it worked for like 2 days and now im back to lagging out

its just block entities brood and vaps lag me out

and sirius too

what i don't get is why is it completely random

some days its all good and some days i just can't play

[vivid crystal]

is there anything else that i can try

[silent umbra]

vaps has 0 block entities

[jagged swan]

Try uh less particles

[karmic flame]

Vesp is armor stand heads for the ability you are thinking of

[jovial gulch]

Sirius lag me out ever since its release

[karmic flame]

Block entities seem to do that in large numbers

[jovial gulch]

Like sirius's blight changing half of arena has occured me enough latency unplayable entire fight, even harder after added blight wave

[vivid crystal]

the attacks that lag me out are vasp meteors brood Venom spray tantrum and star fall from sirius

and wave ofo

o AND star strom from vasp

[vivid crystal]

weird

[thorn bridge]

its also entirely random

someone who knows how networks work would probably clarify but

one day its fine other day its 3000 ping time

[plucky karma]

Brood dash is also very laggy for me
Just freezes for a second or two when the dash goes off

[frigid vapor]

I dislike blight wave cuz I can never find the hole in the wall and when I do he always spawns another one I fail at 😭

it feels like I'm the only one dying to it

[ruby marten]

I did think if there's only a single hole at any given time, should the two giant glass panes on either side of it be cyan/blue instead of light blue so it's slightly easier to see at a glance where the hole is

[lusty ore]

Blight Wave does seem rather punishing with placement of holes in relation to the wall; on my first successful run of New Sirius™️, I had a blight wall spawn with a gap I couldn't see at first, and had to run across 3/4ths of the arena just to find it and fit through it. I only managed it because I was swordsage with Wind Walk, but since you're generally incentivised to stay near either Tuulen or Aurora (Sirius has blight behind him, you can't hurt Sirius directly 95% of the time, Tuulen and Aurora are immune to the very quick encroaching blight) it can make it really difficult if the wall spawns far from you because you have a very limited amount of time before the wall crushes you

I'd say either telegraph the hole better or make the holes symmetrical, so if a hole spawns on the far side of the arena, you'd only ever have half the arena to cross at most

[ashen mortar]

Maybe Symmetrical hole, but smaller in exchange - less to run but faster reaction needed

[blazing kestrel]

dont think this should be able to happen

In general the magma cube elite jumps around too much but it's probably fixed for next week i dont know

[mild tusk]

Magma cube lagged so hard it didn't want to live anymore

[wintry verge]

i saw it jumping on sirius and we couldnt reach it once

[silent umbra]

hmmm i can fix it for next week probably

[raw bison]

Give him KBR

And then I guess kill mobs that drop into water

[eternal frigate]

Can we just make it so magma elite doesnt run

[ruby marten]

Make the magma cube ride a silverfish instead so it doesn't jump

[wintry verge]

i think the invincibility for the enderman does not fit a time gate to kill it . 4k hp and invincibility doesnt seem right to me .

[thorn bridge]

defend tuulen also seems to scale very conservatively with players

whether you have 3 players or 30 it feels like the amount of mobs are the same

and when theres less players it feels like an rng check whether you can respond to her fast enough

[vivid crystal]

so true if you don't have 2 or more scouts its over for you

[shrewd grail]

Wondering why this message popped up sometime even i fail the tasks in solo.
I deliberately did nothing and failed the encroaching blight at the beginning. And it popped up.

[queen sky]

Passive mob kill task probably.

[shrewd grail]

uhhhh, i didn't kill any mobs at the beginning and it appear after the encroaching blight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFrBi3BOYl8

That make me a little confused as it also a tip message of passive mob kill task.

[wintry verge]

Yeah in solo I could not reach her without cry havoc

[blazing kestrel]

Chat how did we fail tuulen

there are no mobs near her..

there is an arrow flying towards her though.

also 😭

[rich vortex]

really think the Elite hp has to be reduced significantly. ever since Elites were added to the attack that spawns a bunch of mobs you have to kill in time, the Elites have caused the players to fail far more often than they actually succeed due to their massive HP.
Whenever that attack starts being casted, i already get frustrated because i know the boss will heal, and when the players do actually succeed its more of a "welcome surprise"

[lusty ore]

Personally I think the elites are fine, but it's all the other mobs that cause a problem, since they draw focus away.

If Crowned Blight spawned a few more elites but didn't scatter a bunch of one-hit-death mobs around as well, I feel like it'd act more as a challenge for wearing them down; instead of the team getting distracted by a bunch of weak adds acting as essentially a way of gating how much time you'll have to DPS the one to two elites that spawn.

[forest dust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/575516687676211215/1175013313034321920/tC3UjGH.gif

[ruby marten]

The elites are absurdly healthy even as a rogue tbh, feels like I'm wailing on eldrask or something, but it actually fights back if I stay too close for too long

[lusty ore]

It's not even a 'Elites because Rogue kills elites :)' it's something I've proposed in the past where crowned blight are greater threats in themselves but fewer in number

I mean, they've got special crowns of starlight yet are no different from normal mobs?

Having them be tough mobs makes them stand out and gives the crowns more lore significance through granting them their strength

It's no longer 'Oneshot 24 mobs and whittle down the health of the last one in time' it's 'There are four extremely strong mobs that you need to work together to kill in time'

[old imp]

The clown blight elites are a problem

[mild tusk]

Oh I get it

[old imp]

We know that they're hard, so half of us actually fight it right at the beginning

They still survive

[mild tusk]

The 4 elites 2 cardinals 40 mobs in ex reverie 40pts are a non issue

But the 2 health bloat elites are

Typical treads of the hungerer user

[old imp]

I'm 100% sure that the elite issue is from I frames through

Though

[mild tusk]

Does the slime still take knockback

[old imp]

The elites feel worse to fight the more people are attacking it ngl

[mild tusk]

That was because of the slime one flying around from kb and the enderman one bugging as it turned invincible and got knocked upwards

Does its kill aura thing affect everyone near it or just the person that it's aggro'd on

Because trying to crit it with its kill aura seems pretty awful

[old imp]

Sometimes it feels like Melee is overlooked accidently at first for some things

In Sirius, your best move as melee is to be a shitter and kill ads sometimes

[mild tusk]

Can't you crit down the dumb pods too

And the dumb bombs too

And the dumb boss too (nopped for negativity) but that's only if you're rogue or anything with burst mobility to actually reach the exposed core in tjme before 10 redditor strikes or a Malheur reach assassin one shots it

[old imp]

Pods are pretty hefty but yeah
I can contribute to core Damage but pstrike is clearly the best option

[mild tusk]

But it just got nerfed!!

[old imp]

Oh good

[wintry verge]

in publics they arent fine . it can be literal rng whether you kill them

it is rng which ones spawn

[lusty ore]

They've always been killed in publics I've attended, so that's probably causing a bias.

[bold crag]

I’ve observed Elite kill rate and Rogue Attendance rates being nearly identical

Especially with the decrease in Hunter popularity in the fight due to Predator Strike removal

Even though it still works for the time being (unless it was a hotfix)

Elite fatness contributes to the feeling that the fight heavily favors Rogues and Scouts over the other 5

[meager acorn]

this is just cap ngl

[fierce rapids]

That does sound like cap considering predator strike still is definitely a thing

But a good observation that any time you do need to deal meaningful damage in sirius, it's always a burst DPS race (blight bombs, pods, core exposed, elites) and that heavily favors certain classes over others

[old imp]

When the dps check favors dps

[ruby marten]

That's just by nature of all tasks that require killing also coming with a timer for failing it, other than protect tuulen, which is vaguely also a timer by way of it being a durational attack

No other boss has a timer on killing something, other than maybe hekawt with it's phylactery, but that's also an adaptive timer based on how quickly you take hekawt's health bar down

[bold crag]

There’s dps goals rather than objectives in other world bosses

You don’t HAVE to kill all the elementals before they rise, however there are benefits beyond “they are dead sooner”

Horsemen causing more chaos and deaths because they aren’t addressed with strong enough offense also comes to mind

[old imp]

pub lfgs/content suffers from when there is an overuse of non-dps, painful for those classes

It's almost never suboptimal to have multiple rogues and scouts (only mildly annoying to lose the vc race but not collectively suboptimal)

No wonder rogue and scout are the most popular classes

[cerulean gust]

When the fight is scripted with timed objectives, it makes sense that dps heavy options are more common

since the penalty for not being a damaging class is harsher than other bosses

[lusty ore]

Well there's also Hekawt's final phase, where you're timed on killing crystals - since you need to finish it before your soul is destroyed.

[still remnant]

I don’t really mind elites being tanky but like why can the enderman become invincible and the slime flies away every hit

Just makes it very frustrating to fight under a time constraint

[coral shore]

Slime needs antikb and the enderman elite needs the invuln thing removed

also the tick damage that prevents you from critting

[rich vortex]

does the HP on the Elites scale with players?

if not, idk how i'll ever get the Solo advancement with Mage without getting lucky enough for the crowned blight attack to never occur

[raw bison]

it do

[wintry verge]

solo sirius is like 5x easier

[rich vortex]

i tried it once during week 1 with my free key but got owned by beams at the end

[wintry verge]

it is a lot more forgiving and u actually get 0 elites from crowned

[lusty ore]

Shame, that was the easiest point

[rich vortex]

rogue speech bubble

[lusty ore]

Not even Rogue, pre-buff Sirius was a pushover

Easy cleansing, no blight wave, basically zero healing

[rich vortex]

oh i thought you meant point as in

point during the fight

[lusty ore]

No the blight beams were actually BS

[rich vortex]

yh

wouldve had it otherwise

[wintry verge]

it is the exact same now . just have annoying wall there

[rich vortex]

idk my winrate has dropped from 90% to 30% since the buff

[inner bay]

Sirius is dead

Some could say it Siriusly needs some work

[thorn bridge]

seems like its not just localized to sirius now

[inner bay]

The writing truly is on the wall

[mild tusk]

James Robert why are you being coy and risking a permamute

Actually unlike nipnop, who thought his views and perspectives were "well known" ( 🤭 ) , the dislikes of this world boss are actually well known and have been repeated for like the past 2 weeks

So ig everything that can be said has been said and we can only hope for change

[karmic flame]

It's a busy time for the dev currently, so it's just going to take time for things to happen

[candid flint]

Anyone who mentioned hate on sirius will now be banned

30d-90d depending on how far they went

everyone left alive after the ban wave will obtain the Rock of Feedback

[lusty ore]

Sirius Pet Rock
Architects Ring : Legacy
A small chunk of Sirius, the Final Herald. While others saw fit to blame Aurora for his empowered state, you fought him back without hesitation.
Awarded for not criticising Sirius in the #1022346855444656189 channel of the Monumenta Discord

[eternal frigate]

real talk, sirius just needs another passive activity to do

outside killing mobs

or some passive threats

[thorn bridge]

passive blight beams

[mild tusk]

i think it's pretty jarring how there's a solid 5-10 seconds where quite literally nothing happens after sirius does its entrance

[thorn bridge]

death laser esque

[mild tusk]

since you cant hit the boss directly, you just stand there and wait for encroaching blight to start

[thorn bridge]

thats the server coping with the lag of updating that many blocks

[mild tusk]

😂 if true

[thorn bridge]

probably not

but i think its to make it a bit more cinematic

especially since first attack is the most strict one

[eternal frigate]

passive unique minibosses would be cool honestly

like twisted classes

but blighted instead

[mild tusk]

doesnt really end up working out that way/to the effect it was going for (if any)

instead it's just awkward

[thorn bridge]

well yeah but the wait is definitely half lag

[mild tusk]

if it is then

[thorn bridge]

and im not sure what you could pull off witj a giant rock

[mild tusk]

sad kitteh

[somber dock]

The initial slam falling doing a shockwave like From the Stars but maybe a little faster could be neat to give the players something to do

[thorn bridge]

i wish attacks were as snappy as like a15 vesp casts, and that there were more than 3 of them

[lusty ore]

In terms of giving Sirius more things to do: ^

[thorn bridge]

in a group that might be too messy tho

[lusty ore]

Let him use his tentacles more and let players actually feel like they're attacking him

I mean, he's sweeping at us with them, that part of him is exposed and could be attacked

[eternal frigate]

ngl compared to hekawt which is the boss closest to sirius

he lacks a couple things

namely, something akin to the horseman summons

and a pressure, high importance move

which hekawt has two

desecrate, and the crystal one

actually in general most of hekawts attacks are quick, and deadly

take gravity well which is an area denial tool

compared to encroaching blight

the pressure is there but not to the same extent

[mild tusk]

Well a lot of hekawts area denial stuff is good and not overly oppressive because the arena is pretty big

Sirius arena is very "different"

[eternal frigate]

true but he just lacks moves to really pressure the same way

not to say i dont like the starblight mechanic

[mild tusk]

Half of it is unusable for most of the fight, and a bunch is just walls

[eternal frigate]

but like starblight should be genuinely punishing, losing max hp should be a big thing

[lusty ore]

Starblight was punishing enough before the nerf

[eternal frigate]

and it just feels weaker when its used as an area denial tech

[lusty ore]

It's in a good spot now

[eternal frigate]

what im saying is, starblight from blocks should be moved over to the harder hitting moves, and be made genuinely difficult to get off accordingly

max hp reduction is a good way of making a move punishing without being unfair

[lusty ore]

It would be more threatening if Sirius' attacks actually attacked your max HP too

Like Impaling Doom, From The Stars and his melee

[eternal frigate]

ngl even then his moves lack the quickness and urgency of other bosses

eldrask is a literal dance on your feet, one second off and you are gone

kaul is a bit slower than sirius, but hes r1 where we lack every tool and mobility function

and hekawt has some genuine tension and adrenaline to build as well

not to say sirius isnt good, but its pretty close to a really nice state

like the fight itself is a good take, and post rework only lacks some smaller elements/details

[karmic flame]

Sirius does kind of feel like a slow inevitability kind of boss, which can be a good fight, but needs a bit more of that player immediate impact to punch it up a bit

[eternal frigate]

essentially what I can narrow down the main problems to would be:

1. lack of passive tasks to do outside mob killing
2. lack of pressure and tension in attacks to really force the players into quick, decisive action

[karmic flame]

there's more than a few bosses in wow built around being just long slugfests to beat an enrage timer, but those also have something hefty/threatening alongside it

[tough cairn]

The concept of tasks works, however the boss feels very samey and generic when a lot of those tasks are extensions of the existing gimmick of clearing out fodder mobs

the only two tasks that don't involve "no but kill THESE enemies" are shooting the stars and distorting

[eternal frigate]

honestly never played wow so cant relate too well, but honestly the r2 worldbosses are great models to go off of in this case

[tough cairn]

stars is good, distorting is not

[eternal frigate]

like in essence, hekawt is a pretty close brother to sirius and provides a good idea of what isnt being done and what should be done

[umbral marlin]

i quite like how slow paced sirius is

moving from one task to the next is nice

[eternal frigate]

i mean the problems arent exactly pace related, rather just general threat and task related

[karmic flame]

well, on the whole "only some tasks aren't kill thing", that's the same in hekawt

what all tasks in hekawt aren't a twist on kill thing?

[eternal frigate]

i think its less this and more in hekawt you always had a variety of active things to pursue

[tough cairn]

Hekawt doesn't hinge on tasks to kill him so I'm not sure if it's applicable

[karmic flame]

it's kind of natural in our minecraft game design where you have to kill thing, and the other choices are... limited

[tough cairn]

the only requirement is killing Phylactery

[karmic flame]

if you don't kill phylactery, you die

if you don't kill crystals, you die

[tough cairn]

you can leave the fodder and horses alive

the crystals are Hekawt's star shots

[eternal frigate]

like you could shoot down the crystals, go into and kill phylactery, damage hekawt, kill summons

[karmic flame]

and the rest you can just try and speedrun past it

[tough cairn]

the timing on summons with Hekawt's murder related engagements are also not scripted 1 by 1 interactions

[eternal frigate]

in sirius its kill summons all the time, and occasionally it opens up another task like damage sirius, or deal with more summons/stardust

[tough cairn]

Phyl is an ongoing encounter, Horses spawn at different thresholds and are not required to kill to win

[eternal frigate]

honestly this actually might be it, hekawt's engagements are organic and unplanned/unscripted versus sirius

[karmic flame]

sirius, boiled down skill wise (forgive me if i miss a few, busy weeks), are general add kills, kill these specifics of the add pool, kill these eggs or kill the elites that spawn from them, dodge these spikes, dodge this TP, dodge this blighted ground, slap boss, dodge this wave

and kill skybois

[cerulean gust]

The summons and attacks from hekawt aren't a hard timer and do not contribute to making the boss feel extremely scripted

[eternal frigate]

fair, cant boil down the issue to one thing

[tough cairn]

Hekawt's fight is a brawl start to finish with differing elements throughout, Sirius is "do this task when I say, there is nothing random or organic about this, do it now"

I do like tasks

but too many of them are killing fodder mobs

[umbral marlin]

i love tasks

very direct way of actually doing stuff

after all the tweaks the fight feels quite fair as well

[tough cairn]

Crowned Blight is literally just the regular fodder clear but the mobs glow blue and a couple elites are forced to spawn

[karmic flame]

That's because of the different style there, which is fair to dislike, but it's difference between "do tasks to avoid death while also trying to beat em up" vs. "do tasks to progress the boss while trying to avoid death to other tasks or passive environment issues"

the boss focused kill vs. the "scripted" style design

[eternal frigate]

ngl best part of sirius for me is when hes gained a ton of ground/ a ton of pressure is applied

[cerulean gust]

It's "you should do this for a better fight" instead of something that feels handholdy and just backseating the player levels of "you should do this"

[karmic flame]

and with the max health games, the faster damage based kill vs. the slower outlast style kill

[tough cairn]

the "while trying to avoid..." part of that statement doesn't really happen in Sirius because the entire fight is one at a time engagements

[umbral marlin]

the best part of sirius for me is how obvious thing are

you just do the thing sirius says to do

[eternal frigate]

i love the feeling of fightign an uphill battle

[umbral marlin]

very direct

[tough cairn]

the only continuous threat is the basic fodder mobs which I find myself having to peel away from to contribute to the tasks

which is... odd

[eternal frigate]

not really direct suggestions or anything, but sirius is at his best when its a survival type situation where the entire outlast thing can prosper

like when it feels like you are fighting the actual uphill battle

[umbral marlin]

compared to other bosses, i always know what is happening in sirius

and it took no time at all to learn, which is a plus

[karmic flame]

there's a few very notable things that run somewhat passively, no? i haven't played it in a few weeks

encroaching blight, and the infamous wall o death

[tough cairn]

fwiw the only attack that happens alongside other interactions is Blight Wave

[umbral marlin]

you can usually still finish tasks before blight wave is a problem

[tough cairn]

everything else sometimes happens to linger into the next skill

[karmic flame]

gotcha gotcha

[eternal frigate]

i mean wall of blight is supposed to be sirius' "volcanic demise" or "avalanche" or "crystal thing in hekawt"

right

[karmic flame]

no idea

[tough cairn]

I personally wouldn't want Blight Wave to be the staple ability

[karmic flame]

generally out of the loop on the design on this one, spent the entire testing phase of this building a task bot

[eternal frigate]

i mean to be fair, theres not much else to be a staple ability

[tough cairn]

the only ability close to Staple is From The Stars which is an underwhelming ability

[cerulean gust]

for me the gameplay of "simon says" feels... very offputting

[fierce rapids]

Tbf blight wave wasn't even part of the original kit so I doubt it can be considered sirius's killer ability

Although it has become a big player killer just through continued bugs and its design choices alone

[umbral marlin]

blight wave is ez peasy now

[ruby marten]

It feels to me like power behind the tomb is the big "staple" ability, but now that blight ground is way less dangerous, it kinda just feels like filler or a time waste just to get any health you might have accidentally lost back

[umbral marlin]

i really just wish it would telegraph how many there are

[eternal frigate]

gotta say though i like the details in sirius

ngl i wish other bosses had things like sirius falling and killing players

[fierce rapids]

I think overall sirius has some good parts but the whole pace being solely controlled by what RNG rolls for him to do is a bit meh

[umbral marlin]

i like the flow of the fight

always moving from one thing to the next

its nice

[fierce rapids]

I wish it was like that personally

[ruby marten]

There just needs to be some monke primal urge to beat some colossal hp bar thing to death that doesn't exist in the fight really, mobs that die in 1 hit and come a dozen at a time are not fun to kill after a while

[umbral marlin]

its an endurance challenge

[karmic flame]

that's the kind of thing here, is that it's a very differently designed boss fight from pretty much all we've released

[fierce rapids]

I often notice the dry periods where either sirius hasn't casted anything for 5 seconds or does something lame like encroaching or impaling where you do nothing but move slightly

[karmic flame]

you aren't going to speed the boss up by dealing silly amounts of dps, you beat the boss through dependable completion of challenges and avoiding too much loss of health in case of surprise attacks

[umbral marlin]

i wish the boss would insta kill people without bows

gather stardust is the only thing that i think has a >50% fail rate

[karmic flame]

well, perhaps not

[eternal frigate]

The starblight mechanic could for sure be a solution here, but the problem is its too easy to cleanse ngl

starblight should stick and perform the function of a endurance test

[umbral marlin]

yeah with how easy it is to cleanse i kinda wouldnt mind it being more punishing

would give more purpose to any in between attacks phases too since you can cleanse by doing passive clean up

[eternal frigate]

honestly though the problem with making starblight more punishing is that it tends to affect the melees way harder than any other class

melee already is the weakest playstyle in sirius

[karmic flame]

that's most of the problem with the given situation, it's going to harm high ping and melee users more, and if something with those groups harmed was built in, we'd get feedback right back the other way on it

[eternal frigate]

just shooting ideas, but what if starblighted blocks just were a constant damage situation, rather than an max hp loss

and max hp loss was shifted to attacks

[karmic flame]

we can't depend on a specific amount of responsiveness in our stuff too often

[eternal frigate]

fair

[karmic flame]

it's all a game of hitting a balance on that even if that's not really balance in the term we typically use it as, but also there's just no avoiding some level of feedback on it

just gotta try and hurt people with stuff just enough

[eternal frigate]

but like if you did shift the starblight hp reduction to attacks and added a new punishment to starblight blocks like anti heal or such, theres a lot more freedom to act and punish

theres gotta be some solutions

[karmic flame]

Always is a solution to things, but it's just a question of preference on solution and time to make it

[eternal frigate]

fair, at the end of the day its a sacrifice between changing old content and making new content

[raw bison]

i think some of the complaints about sirius being slow comes from a community of people who like difficult and learning based bosses. While i personally agree that those are more fun, having one or two that doesnt require 10 deaths to understand is not a problem.

[tough cairn]

A way to support the feeling of urgency, how about add more difficult tasks that are accessible later on in the fight that can sway the battle more?

[karmic flame]

and while i have no idea on future release schedules, there's almost certainly going to be more bosses to come with future stuff, so there will be more things that come up

alongside the existing boss content of godspore and skt

[tough cairn]

like how about a task where a miniboss style enemy shows up and wrecks house for maybe 30-60s and, depending on team performance, the progress made/lost could be significantly more relative to other tasks

this miniboss could have multiple combo style abilities that pressure the team and demand positioning with respect to it alongside the other existing area denial features of the boss

[karmic flame]

feel like having that kind of thing take priority by being more powerful in the impacts would pretty much just turn it into doing that one thing and ignoring other thingies

[tough cairn]

additionally said miniboss could have a weakpoint style damage system to prevent its own erasure in seconds but also work a damage requirement into the weakpoint feature so that banking on 1 burst hit like PStrike won't invalidate said weakpoint feature

[tough cairn]

this would sit in the rotation like other tasks, so doing this would mean ignoring all other tasks when they appear

[karmic flame]

don't tasks generally not overlap?

[tough cairn]

but it would only appear in the rotation after a certain number of tasks have occured

[tough cairn]

yes

[karmic flame]

so it wouldn't mean ignoring things

[tough cairn]

correct

[fierce rapids]

Besides the actual declarations there are still a ton of things sirius can force you to do instead of focusing said miniboss though

[karmic flame]

which means those other things aren't made as "good" at moving the chains back, giving even less reason to focus on that

[tough cairn]

it wouldn't act as its own occurence, it would simply be another task but the importance of that task is greater as it is introduced later in the fight

[fierce rapids]

Like bombs/pods/from the stars/blight wave

[tough cairn]

this would contribute to escalation of the fight

[tough cairn]

you are not understanding, this new idea would be in the rotation, meaning it would appear one at a time like other tasks

so there wouldn't be a situation where you ignore lesser tasks because the tasks are all one at a time

[karmic flame]

i am, but the 6 people who will sit there and wait for that boss task will pretty much solely do that thing and just wait for it

similar to eyeballs task where half the room ignores it and 2-3 people make that their one and only life goal

[tough cairn]

well yeah I guess, that's a problem with tasks as a whole rather than this idea

[karmic flame]

would offer something to rogues, but there's already "slap boss" for that and it's got the same weights

[tough cairn]

ideally, it would demand more than a few player's attention due to it being a more important and escalating task

[fierce rapids]

Star energy task has its flaws that do discourage people from contributing tbf

[karmic flame]

it's good that tasks have some level of niches personally, just don't quite like the idea of making the melee dps stacker niche have stronger priority over the others

[tough cairn]

Also ideally this miniboss would function as an actual miniboss threat, so if you ignore it you can suffer the consequences, kinda like ignoring Horsemen in Hekawt and then they clothsline you at a random point and you die

[karmic flame]

i know i basically just hold a doorframe for 75% of the fight, but i do that to chip in my part while scouts shoot things and melee people go whack boss without the impediment of adds

[fierce rapids]

• Certain players have the capability to wipe out a ton of them at once: not necessarily a bad thing, but the existence makes players rely on them to do the job for them rather than contributing themselves
• Focus fire is discouraged: if you are contributing, and you shoot the same energy as someone else, you just completely wasted your shot and the time it took you to draw back your bow/crossbow/trident

[tough cairn]

I propose it as one example of many that could be made, my idea as a whole would be making tasks that appear later in the fight to give the sense of escalation rather than a consistently mediocre slugfest

[karmic flame]

could just boost the scaling on the existing tasks, both in difficulty and reward for that

[tough cairn]

Crowned Blight at 5% and 50% are the same threat level, this I see as a problem

[karmic flame]

as a soft enrage, so 10/12/14/16/18/20 percent over time with an increasing difficulty on each

[tough cairn]

well you could but it wouldn't feel great unless mechanical changes are introduced

[karmic flame]

could even hard enrage afterwards to time the fight a bit, but idk on that

[tough cairn]

because almost every task would have basic scaling to demand more damage or more ad clear rather than a new challenge for the team

[karmic flame]

scaling can be more than just number on a health bar for most of it

[tough cairn]

that's what I hope for

[fierce rapids]

Adding scaling to new abilities and increasing scaling on existing ones wouldn't really be a good idea; it'd make the fight even more of a purgatory as the more you progress, the more likely it is you have your progress undone

New abilities popping up would be a better approach imo and would help break the monotony of the boss

[tough cairn]

mechanical changes would be more organically introduced with unique tasks rather than tweaking existing ones imo

[karmic flame]

that's the trick of it though, it's not meant as something to force fast play, but more to add a soft enrage to the content, making it harder as it goes so you are incentivized to do better earlier

new abilities are always going to be shinier, but take more dev time to build and then redesign in the boss to add them

more talking in the realm of more bite sized things that could be done to effect the difficulty/risk in the fight than just making new stuff for the released boss

[fierce rapids]

I think it's worth doing for what is our first and only r3 world boss

We should give it all we've got

[karmic flame]

think we'd be better making adjustments and keeping the design of this one vs. trying to rewrite it post release to meet a new form

there's certainly more bosses to come as we go

[meager acorn]

my sirius issues lie in the fact that its kinda just a boring boss and has no tension the other world bosses have. there are no big abilities that can kill easy that spark tension (i was gonna list examples but in general the other bosses just have plenty of abilities like this). Lack of engagement with the boss also doesnt make it feel like a boss more like an "enhanced RoD." It just feels like sitting around casting your aoe abilities and running to places. Another issue with me is there is a lack of "dodging" any attack you can avoid is more just running to another area because all of them are just safe areas or just "run." I wanna see more big scary abilities and engagment with the boss overall, but that sounds like a rework more then tweaks, but im open to that

[fierce rapids]

I can definitely attest to the "just running around" part

[queen sky]

Boss already has a semi-hard enrage.
After ~21mins any task failure is a complete loss if I remember right.
Nvm I forgot to double a value 🥴 (10.5 -> 21)

[meager acorn]

ngl deaths just randomly causing the boss to heal half its hp is not the best design either for a public boss

[karmic flame]

well more as a curve towards, that's a pretty hard wall for enrage, which for 21 minutes in is fair

[meager acorn]

honestly the current boss paced up could serve as a pretty good phase one to a killer phase two when hes tossed into the ocean...

[queen sky]

Tho at 10.5mins a loss fills half (22/40) the boss bar.
(For anyone curious. Every task that you can fail is a +5 to boss bar with a multiplier that increases by .5 starting at 1 every 1.5mins. Each success is a -1 (-2 for aurora/tuulen) with the same multiplier. Both (+/-) are floored if I remember.)

[meager acorn]

i was really expecting him to phase and like come out of the rock and he just... stayed as a boring rock

[fierce rapids]

Sirius having a phase 1 in the rock and a phase 2 once the rock cracks would be pretty sick

[meager acorn]

its what i was expecting and seems like a doable add-on

cuz reworking the current boss honestly isnt what i want to happen cuz its alright its just underwhelming

but it could serve as a good build up to a second phase

[cerulean gust]

agree with this, the blighted arena doesn't effectively convey any sense of urgency, the overall feeling of the fight is constant throughout and it causes the fight to feel very samey, with an abrupt change to a dps phase which feels like a quickly dashed on addition to give the fight some sort of conclusion

[cerulean gust]

given most of the feedback in the thread, I'm not convinced that trying to keep the tone of the boss with it's current skills would be as well received rather than addressing the core issues of the boss with significant changes. It is unfortunate that a significant rework would ask for significant dev time and overwrite existing work done for the boss, but if the core design of the boss and the way it attempts to interact with players (80% mob spam, 15% tasks that aren't directly mob killing, 5% actual boss dps) is not generally liked, it may be best to cut the losses here and redesign the content

[karmic flame]

as much as one may want it remade into a new boss, i don't think it's a reasonable ask to make and then want change any time within like 3-4 months minimum, not even counting for developer motivation for the person who spent months building what exists to rebuild an entire new thing to a vision they didn't make

[inner bay]

The Person?

[karmic flame]

Was mostly solo developed as far as i'm aware

[inner bay]

Sirius was Solo Developed?

[tough cairn]

Huh

[karmic flame]

a lot of things are in TM

with proposals n talks throughout the process, plus group testing, but group development on a plugin task is... rare

[tough cairn]

Do other devs provide input on content design and QA then?

[inner bay]

Huh, that’s unexpected. Genuinely thought most things were done with the combined efforts of most of the dev team. The more you know I guess.

[karmic flame]

Along the way, but the core design of things is typically up to whomever is doing the work. Beta testing is a big feedback tool, as well as alpha testing (testing while in dev)

A lot of people have things going on, but builds are the main thing that has a large team approach, but that's also fairly new and led due to burnout issues in the past with solo dev

[inner bay]

So like the main developer for a piece of content has executive rule over the core design of a piece of content, so any major changes to large aspects of the content would be primarily up to only them?

[karmic flame]

Not necessarily executive, as there's obviously some level of feedback loop to work with, but it largely flows through the main dev for plugin things since, well, they're doing the work

[inner bay]

Hmm aight, thanks for the info

[brave citrus]

Give sirius a random mob spawn() every wave of adds for some more shenigantry 🤫🧏‍♂️

A singular mob

[lusty ore]

Sirius fans when the Colossal Ghasts and Harbingers of Fatigue start showing up

[brave citrus]

Would make it less snoozy still ngl

With the power of stars he channels a ..

[ionic night]

imagine he summons himself (or any other world boss)

[wintry verge]

Imagine he didn't heal half his hp if a player died. Making a boss that you can't speed up even slower

[lusty ore]

Honestly though a boss that summons another boss but as a mini version would be really cool. Imagine he summons Kaul as an elite who can do earthen wrath, summon lightning, and volcanic demise, or an elite Eldrask that does shatter and greatsword slam.

[old imp]

Oh yeah, come get some winning fast, losing slow

[inner bay]

Crowned Blight is the move that Sirius most often heals on right?

[ionic night]

that or impaling doom (the one where someone dies and he heals)

[silent umbra]

I thought it was star energy or have people gotten better?

[inner bay]

I dunno, Sirius is still closed iirc

Also most of the time Star Energy is completed

[old imp]

Ppl bring wota often now

Used to be I would sit on my ass because I forgot

[true cosmos]

Gonna necro this to bring up the most recent fights I've had to go through against Sirius. MAN have they gotten exhausting. The problems have boiled down to large swathes of rng that feel pretty largely out of your control based on the nature of unpredictable spells and combos. To give a few recent examples:
-Wave + tuulen event + safe spot being near aurora causing an instafail on tuulen
-Tuulen event spawning with reds so close to her that the event fails within 2 seconds of people being able to react
-Crowned blight spawning 2 slime elites, even with the whole server trying to dps them down the timer fails
-Multiple instances of wave + encroaching leading everyone who picked the wrong safe spot (or in some cases, the safe spot being middle) to have to constantly run through blight
-Aurora rng (less egregious/important than the others but uhggghhh I don't like the aurora event with how stingy the star pickups can be to get)
It's led to a lot of fights even with competent people who know what they're doing to take upwards of 5 or even 10 minutes to do nowadays. If there's anything actionable I personally would like to see or at least recommend:
-Make wave less independent of other spells. Good spell combos are fine and make for an interesting fight (like wave + from the stars), but please don't make situations like wave + tuulen possible.
-Please give the enemy slimes knockback resistance. Them flying on taking large amounts of damage is so frustrating for everyone, not just the melee classes.