#berserker rework ideas (NOTE I AM AMWARE THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE MANY REWORKS)

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slate agate
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I'm not sure if you're aware that Berserker is an incredibly high damage spec, especially at end game.

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with Glorious Battle being used as part of a combo to zip around and dish out a ton of damage.

mighty dagger
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(exactly why im not qualitfied to give ideas)

outer frigate
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Yeah I think bers is fine lol

zenith oar
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berserker being the only warrior spec able to give dr and guardian being the only warrior spec able to give dmg % pepega

warm vale
zenith oar
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berserker damage comes from the zoomy stuff

mighty dagger
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xernal gets it 🙂

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lol

zenith oar
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press space bar deal big aoe

mighty dagger
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somebody pls teach me the ways of berserker i am obviously bad at the game

warm vale
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what region

mighty dagger
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3

warm vale
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i feel like ive tried to help you with bers r3 before

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that feels right

mighty dagger
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no?

warm vale
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in game

zenith oar
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something something hydraulic chausses something something vedha's soulcrusher

mighty dagger
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you showed me ur build but thats about all

warm vale
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if your ign is cheweyrocco in game

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hmm

mighty dagger
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yeah, but you never helped me

molten urchin
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Rip lol

warm vale
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in r3 you use mobility perks like crazy for damage

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glorious battle super op when you learn how to use it

mighty dagger
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gb 1 or 2?

warm vale
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1

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for it to work you need hydraulic chasses

zenith oar
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I use meteor 1 gb 2 rampage 1

mighty dagger
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bro what

warm vale
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i use rampage 2 because better

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gb 2 does hardly anything for you imo

mighty dagger
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wait i thought u wanted to be able to be bale to one block jump and get meteor slam

warm vale
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if its the vertical lock (just use rocket boots)

warm vale
zenith oar
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buff berserker by fixing meteor slam :clueless:

mighty dagger
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hear me out, guardian is better than bers, because u dont need to do all this crap 🙂

warm vale
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i mean you're right, especially if you go ball guardian

mighty dagger
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ball guardian?

warm vale
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||4 shot twisteds||

outer frigate
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TIL you can delete the message of a forum post

warm vale
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i like bers more imo because guardian has no mobility

zenith oar
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Ahem

warm vale
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wow i can teleport to another player and give absorption, yeah very solo friendly

mighty dagger
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WEekend

zenith oar
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bodyguard 2 if it could tp to mobs (it stuns mobs so it should be able to tp to them…..)

mighty dagger
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the fuck? u didnt know u can tp to urself?

zenith oar
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tping to yourself does not move you anywhere

warm vale
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as i said no mobility

mighty dagger
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ohhhhh

mighty dagger
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TM on their way to nerf bers

plush pecan
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Warrior in general is pretty easily the weakest class in r3 atm

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Main competition is tenebrist but at least it’s getting carried by reaper

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Doesn’t help that tm nerfs it every balance patch

mighty dagger
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i think thats what i was trying to get at, just warrior is underpowerd in general

plush pecan
radiant plank
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Lol what was the original post

plush pecan
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No clue

radiant plank
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berserk feels scuffed number wise and performance wise

mighty dagger
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so wait is bers a "incredibly high dmg spec"?

plush pecan
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Maybe that’s what it’s intended to be

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But intention and execution always vary

mighty dagger
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i just feel like guardian does more damage, has more survivability, it may have less mobility but

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i feel like when talking about what classes are underpowered mobility shouldnt be what determains if a class that is obviously underpowered gets a buff or not

plush pecan
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Mobility is definitely something to be considered especially when it’s something the class is designed around

radiant plank
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Know that Bug 15209 still stands 😊

warm vale
mighty dagger
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yeah i agree, but if compareativly it falls off harshly i dont think mobility should completely stand in the way

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but i could just be dumb

neon void
warm vale
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i mean like seriously shield wall is useless, challenge is a worse rampage, and body guard is half a decent skill and half worse than rampage

autumn sail
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bers is scuffed

errant flicker
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Ball Guardian Also we die equal parts. Half the time my deaths are due to you spawner rushing.

mighty dagger
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i hardly think so weekend

neon void
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Bers is like just okay idk

plush pecan
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Apoth is solid and also has harb to carry the class 👍

mighty dagger
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real

autumn sail
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harb gigachad

plush pecan
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Neither warrior spec is good at anything in r3

warm vale
mighty dagger
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fr

warm vale
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wrong

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ball guardian destroys the meta

neon void
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Its tanky but requires far too much effort to do any actual clearing in a delve

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Guardian is just mid

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Although both are solid dps options so

autumn sail
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wtf is fangride cooking up there with "incredibly high damage spec"

mighty dagger
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ahh yes in a melee class with hardly any aoe or range u dont have to put in effort

neon void
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Strictly boss dps

autumn sail
radiant plank
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Berserker Bros how much %dmg do you guys need to feel comfortable clearing (excluding vigor but include stamina)

plush pecan
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Too much

mighty dagger
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real

neon void
radiant plank
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Im running 100% + Stam1 & Nihilo Core which is :/

mighty dagger
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oh god what have i started

neon void
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I wouldnt say incredibly high but it does good dmg

warm vale
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i love berskerer mobility, rocket boots and 2 charges of gb

zealous flame
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Warrior gameplay vs something like Harbinger gameplay is something else. You’ll see the Harb throw like 5 potions to end an interaction while the Warrior does TAS level shit to finish the interaction in the same time

plush pecan
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Not really interested in getting into a class viability debate here, I personally feel warrior is incredibly underpowered in r3 and that primarily stems from number issues rather than mechanical

autumn sail
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^

neon void
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Bers just doesnt really excel in anything its just completely mid

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Mobility maybe

autumn sail
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i mean granted gb mobility is great

radiant plank
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Honestly i'd argue berserk feels mechanically scuffed

warm vale
autumn sail
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if u dump 8 charm power to make it usable

radiant plank
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Why can you get interrupted mid jump boost

mighty dagger
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guardian better

neon void
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Aw hecks naw gb dmg is like ignoreable

radiant plank
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Meteor Slam not counting chival mobs as potential gb stacks

warm vale
plush pecan
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I’d change glorious to not rely on alternative skills for stacks as it proves to be inconsistent in r2 and reliant on chausses in r3

autumn sail
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^

neon void
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60 dmg to a singular mob is not very great

radiant plank
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Why does glorious battle randomly not activate

mighty dagger
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^

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fr

autumn sail
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i would be ok with GB gaining stacks w/ damage like Rampage does

zealous flame
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Bers lowkey starting to feel like Assassin when it comes to the skill required to obtain results

neon void
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Only reason i say its damage can be good against one singular enemy

radiant plank
molten urchin
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Glorious battle is strange what the heck does "Dealing indirect damage with an ability" mean

warm vale
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quake exists

radiant plank
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Gb is not negligible

mighty dagger
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ah yes 3 skills do deal a fraction of what assassin can deal in 3 skills

plush pecan
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I’d also buff glorious 2 by allowing it to do minor aoe damage to give it a purpose and rampage 2 to help give the class a passive damage boost because guardian getting a damage boost and not the damage dealing spec is absurd

autumn sail
plush pecan
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And slam 2 is already good

mighty dagger
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nip nop, that was exactly what my post was about lol

plush pecan
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Shouldn’t have deleted

mighty dagger
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ik

warm vale
neon void
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R3 is just so aoe pilled idk gb just doesnt do much for me

molten urchin
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What post OhTheMisery

mighty dagger
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exactly

plush pecan
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Indirect damage is also outright wrong terminology

mighty dagger
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basicly i said that gb 2 sohuld gain aoe, and rampage should increase damage delt

plush pecan
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It should just be other skill damage

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Hard to call rampage active “indirect”

neon void
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Gb should just serve its current role and rampage should be just better imo

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Rampage just got murdered repeatedly

mighty dagger
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yeah i could see

autumn sail
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make rampage interact with brute force

neon void
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It was deserved but i dont even pick it anymore

plush pecan
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Replace rampage with warrior

autumn sail
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increases the damage and aoe with each stack

mighty dagger
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^^^^^^^^

radiant plank
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That sounds like a pipe dream lol

mighty dagger
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TM would never

radiant plank
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Maybe we wont need to rely on quake anymore...

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Just maybe.

vast trellis
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One quick thing

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Is it mod deleted messages

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Or OP

mighty dagger
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me

neon void
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7.5% dr if u keep the max stacks and u do like a 100 aoe? Sorry if numbers r off havent picked the skill in 10 years

plush pecan
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Pretty sure that outside of the changes to shield wall and challenge, warrior has literally been taking constant Ls since r3 release

vast trellis
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Nvm then Ty

plush pecan
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It’s really frustrating

mighty dagger
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manmonke it sure in heck isnt 100aoe

neon void
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I mean on r3 release it was busted

mighty dagger
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its slightly more dr

neon void
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But it just kept being murdered

mighty dagger
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yall feel free to keep talking but i gtg

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cya

plush pecan
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I’ve said what I wanted to

molten urchin
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It was always chausses I think

vast trellis
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It feels like just light an fire … I wonder what’s original idea

radiant plank
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would be nice to make a new forum and compile it into a more coherent post

molten urchin
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True

plush pecan
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No

mighty dagger
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i might

plush pecan
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Keep complaining about it like the rest of us in gameplay discussions 👍

neon void
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Crazy imo

molten urchin
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I'm surprised discord just allows you to delete the original forum post and keep the thread up

radiant plank
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Not very poobis of you nip nop

molten urchin
neon void
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Its so crazy that they nerfed it in r2 indirectly in the rage of nerfing chausses

slate crescent
plush pecan
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Yeah…? That was the topic…?

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Fuck did you expect lol

outer frigate
# plush pecan Pretty sure that outside of the changes to shield wall and challenge, warrior ha...

That's true, I think warrior definitely feels a little underwhelming atm after all of the nerfs it's got, and especially since the mass push into dps focus instead of tanking means you really just need to hold an agro instead of surviving any attacks so it's niche as a class as a tanky dps isn't really that successful when there's nothing to tank and not enough dps to dps.

It's still going to be good for people with like higher ping or a tendency to trade hits often, but it's probably a B or C tier class in terms of viability into R3

autumn sail
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ok so
Level 1: Gain a stack of rage for each 50 melee damage dealt (100% more in region 3). Stacks decay by 1 every 5 seconds of not dealing melee damage and cap at 15.
Above 5 stacks, Brute Force gains 1% additional damage of the original attack, and an additional 0.2 block radius, per stack. Passively gain 0.75% damage resistance for each stack. When at 10 or more stacks, right click while looking down to consume all stacks and damage mobs in a 4.0 block radius by 1.5 times the number of stacks consumed. For the next (stacks consumed / 2) seconds, heal 2.5% of max health per second and keep your passive damage reduction.

Level 2: Gain a stack of rage for each 35 melee damage dealt, with stacks capping at 20.

molten urchin
outer frigate
vast trellis
plush pecan
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Just calling everyone who types messages in gameplay discussion a goofball isn’t very productive

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You should tell us what we’re doing wrong 👍

autumn sail
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granted there is a stereotype but still

slate crescent
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There's like a 50% chance that scrolling for 3 seconds in #gameplay-discussion results in seeing at least one completely unrelated gif or image

plush pecan
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How dare they not be serious 100% of the time

autumn sail
plush pecan
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Not really interested in discussing this further though since it’s not the original topic of the post

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If someone wants to remake a new one without deleting the original post then go for it

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It won’t be me

slate crescent
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I'll leave this post up since it seems to have focused a good amount of warrior feedback into one place

karmic jewel
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mscr jumpscare

autumn sail
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HI!!!!!!

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🥰

karmic jewel
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mscr was here.png

grand lagoon
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So far all I've really gotten is warrior is weak number-wise, and that it takes too much effort to play

autumn sail
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thank you.

grand lagoon
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It's just kind of echo chambered whats already been said in gameplay discussion a lot so it's not new feedback

karmic jewel
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thats not a bers exclusive thing thougha

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all melee classes are weak against magic

neon void
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Umm umm umm

autumn sail
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i do actually have feedback but

  1. i usually get clowned on in gameplay discussion
  2. im used to certain other mmorpgs where feedback may as well be screaming into a paper bag
karmic jewel
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besides swordsage

karmic jewel
autumn sail
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👍

neon void
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Idk

karmic jewel
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nova spell speechbubble

neon void
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I dont know the names of spells

karmic jewel
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nova is like

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mob charges up and deals damage in an area around it

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its a type of attack

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like coven overseer has a slime nova

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infernals used to give an infernal nova

neon void
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We r derailing from warrior just stop talking about tgis before the moderators touch us

karmic jewel
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my bad

grand lagoon
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I'm open to DMs about what you think about the class, but I'm also going to remind people that the goal of feedback is to make the class as balanced/fun as it can be, not to make it "meta" as most people would want.

radiant plank
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Would be nice if you weren't robbed of a Glorious stack if you so happen to kill a single mob midair before actually landing a meteor slam

karmic jewel
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gb2 recharging on kill 🥴 (this is not a serious suggestion)

grand lagoon
autumn sail
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i would be ok with gb recharging based on damage like rampage does

plush pecan
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Assuming people just want something to be “meta” and not inherently balanced is something

plush pecan
karmic jewel
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i mean gb2 is essentially just flavor text rn

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(its not but its weak)

wintry tartan
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can we take a look at apoth/ele/guardian please

autumn sail
karmic jewel
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🤨

autumn sail
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2 block radius

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original was 3

karmic jewel
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ig

radiant plank
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Would also be nice if there was a way to not have jump boost be interrupted

karmic jewel
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i think thats a mojank issue

radiant plank
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But that might just be a KBR and not berserker 🥴

karmic jewel
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also spells uh

autumn sail
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yeah thats probably just mojank

karmic jewel
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bypass kbr for some reason apparently?

plush pecan
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would be neat if warrior got stronger base kbr in the class but mojank or something

radiant plank
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Abilities for some reason ignore KBR which is very not Berserker

karmic jewel
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oh yeah

radiant plank
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Or something pretty much

karmic jewel
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warrior passive is

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wth

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does this even DO ANYTHING?

autumn sail
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warrior passive is so fucking moyai

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🗿

karmic jewel
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its something ig

radiant plank
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I don't mind the passive if KBR actually worked

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It is afterall mostly associated with warrior

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And warlock ig

autumn sail
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(alch doesnt count) i mean look at the other's passives

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cleric? free tiny healing! mage? bonk.

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rogue? DAMAGE

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scout just gets all the fucking good passive points

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warlock gets free DR when killing an enemy

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shaman does more and takes less when near their totems (always)

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what does warrior get

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kbr.

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which doesn't work, like ever.

karmic jewel
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oh yeah you know the shaman spec class passives?

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maybe bers can get one

radiant plank
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I'd like to keep the extra 2 kbr since it helps with thresholds and whatnot, If it only worked. Didn't interrupt meteor slam mid air.

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Dont care abt spec passives shouldnt be even a thought

autumn sail
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nerf rampage abilities and turn it into a berserker passive

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and then allow gb to eat stacks of it to use it

neon void
karmic jewel
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shaman is the only thing with spec passives right

autumn sail
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yeah

radiant plank
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Dont care

autumn sail
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"support expertise"

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🤓

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why is shaman special.

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all the specs should get secondary passives.

karmic jewel
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the balance team upon hearing this

autumn sail
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except rogue.

plush pecan
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shaman is special because it needs region scaling except that's an issue that couldve been solved by just making it a wand class

autumn sail
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aha!

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tm issue.

radiant plank
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Seriously enough with the spec passive its funny but i dont want berserker to have one because of its short coming

plush pecan
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i dont think its a major issue

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it's just whatever

radiant plank
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I hate it !

plush pecan
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the shaman passives i meant by that

karmic jewel
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nip nop have you played bers in 65pt since the gb passive removal

plush pecan
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of course

karmic jewel
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(ive played like 2 pois at 65pt in total so my opinion might suck)

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how is itt?

plush pecan
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it's easily one of the weakest classes ive played

karmic jewel
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like all of my 65pts are on assassin

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.

plush pecan
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paladin felt significantly stronger

karmic jewel
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idk when im playing armor bers i always feel like i dont do enough damage, and im not tanky enough to stack stamina either

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i havent tried agi bers yet but ill get to it

vestal pollen
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wtf was the original message

karmic jewel
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no idea

radiant plank
karmic jewel
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although i have no idea what fangride means by incredibly high damage spec

autumn sail
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that is unbelievably cap

radiant plank
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I mean in paper it is supposed to be

autumn sail
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wtf is the threshold for "extremely high damage"

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classless r2 buzz lightyear?

molten urchin
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Probably meteor slam up + gb down bunny hopping crack gameplay

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And everything

autumn sail
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ok but that does less damage than crit spamming with noctis

karmic jewel
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it does decent damage in r2

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not in r3 though

autumn sail
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this is the problem with fixed damage abilities 😁

karmic jewel
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maybe with fully charged stamina its better but like

autumn sail
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bro...

karmic jewel
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that number isnt actually accurate since bers has dr and +hp

autumn sail
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r2 EHP looking ass

plush pecan
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would say bers damage is pretty mid at best in r2 as well

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it's only really good if you use entcrusher

autumn sail
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entcrusher dps gigachad

molten urchin
karmic jewel
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this is bers ehp (or somewhere in the range of if i fucked up entering dr/hp) with ea2, 15 stacks rampage, and toughness 2

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autumn sail
karmic jewel
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i mean it is based on attack speed though

knotty summit
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smh no it'd be based on the strength pre-attack speed buff, you don't tierstack to increase spell damage 🙄

haughty zephyr
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The person who posted this feedback has already deleted it, so I'll just go ahead and close this out