cunning prairie
THREE ISSUES:
It seems that the idea of automatically splitting loot with untrustworthy peers is an unlikely situation.
Alongside this, there is the problem that lootboxes don't achieve this goal very well either way. (It barely steals mats and high value items)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJerfHYXqo
So looking for ideas to rework or pledges to delete/limit the willows epic and lootboxes.
oak kelp
first part is up to who you're running with, but offers an equalizer of sorts if you choose to do that, second is entirely up to chance
cunning prairie
though letting you prevent unfair splits, ultimately lootboxes but willows box specifically has been out for far too long for how volatile it is, especially if its solution is consistently just bad (the split it takes out is literally always low) and lags the shard
oak kelp
it's randomized based on some form of math to split evenly, maybe you see it as low because perhaps it's taking 1/X, x being total in range regardless of the box? not sure how the percentage works
cunning prairie
im not sure it takes based on value and past decisions
it probably just takes a fraction of the "items" that is too general a group and screws up
oak kelp
takes by random and does not count by previous decisions because we can't be sure the last decision was based on the same group
cunning prairie
yeah so that leads to a flawed result
im not sure if its worth it to make a better solution tbh
oak kelp
leads to a truly randomized result, so if it's unbalanced over a shorter time period, someone is getting the better portion vs. your worse one
cunning prairie
it seems theres not enough trials in a normal split because even in near full box dungeon splits the mat rate is low
it should be truly randomized but the box never grabs an above average split for my 20-ish dungeons and many pois with it
are blocks and trash counted in the pool
oak kelp
doesn't that indicate that there's someone in that group getting an above average split?
cunning prairie
we combine, but yeah the rest of the group would be better off if i were to just take the box
vernal jacinth
@cunning prairie It’s because not all our group uses LB at once
cunning prairie
im the only one in the lxt delves
vernal jacinth
Yeah but that defeats the point of using it, which is also a problem
cunning prairie
counting in chests i loot myself too btw, maybe it is just bad luck tho
oak kelp
so the comparison is between a randomized portion vs. a pile of collected and sorted loot from an entire dungeon?
cunning prairie
yeah
but in any case is there work being put into solutions toward the lag and the rare but crippling bookban
oak kelp
nothing we do with the box is going to beat everyone collecting the loot, staying true with it, and splitting it manually at the end
vernal jacinth
nothing we do with the box is going to beat everyone collecting the loot, stayin...
I think the post is nudging towards either rework or removal entirely
cunning prairie
its an alternative that is hilariously awful when it comes to server performance
even if it works "enough"
oak kelp
i realize that players would like a lot of things reworked or removed, don't need the ping about it, but trying to explain that there's no stronger approach to make it work. Performance issues can be looked at as always, but seeing a performance issue and saying delete it isn't productive
vernal jacinth
LB as is is kinda questionable in function, and as an epic a storage function instead of partial splitting would be nice, but I think someone was already looking into LB internally so I’ll wait
oak kelp
storage box would end up making it worse
done at scale, since the tool is storing partially filled chests that aren't chosen by players, causing less items per chest
cunning prairie
i made this to note that it doesn't seem like the purpose is prevalent enough to outweigh how clunky and dangerous the item can become for gameplay
idk 
frigid spindle
(joining thread to see video)
bright cypress
I would love if lootbox could store a chest assignment, rather than the loot data itself, then empty/remove the chest being clicked on. I also realise that's probably super difficult to get working, potentially require a rewrite of the entire looting system and would take far too much dev time for a silly item barely anyone uses.
For example instead of someone right clicks a chest then everyone nearby with a lootbox gains x currency, x items, x filler blocks and x potions, you get 1 share that is something like "R2_Purple_12pts_4players" storing no data itself except the chest type that was opened, then when you open the stores it'll roll the chest that's been assigned to it (divided by the number of players), and idk if the limit is in place already, but you should really only be able to open say 10 shares at once to further prevent bans
cobalt shoal
removing lootbox is not the right solution at all imo
spring cloud
rework it 👍
cobalt shoal
weve had a conversation about rework ideas several times before and theres a bunch that involve making it pick up shares from your own chests
which in itself is a good idea, if youre running alone then it is completely useless
an example is if it stored all the loot from chests whenever you opened/broke it without any splitting mechanic, this would be a huge time and inventory space saver
you could also incorporate the splitting mechanic into that
i highly doubt its possible to make it a 100% even split
so you will just have to live with getting your own loot scaling received
the times where ive used lootbox in a group, we did it to save time and inventory space
this was also in max pts delves where there was little time to use pcrys and clear inventory space
never did we take the lootbox split as the final split, always dumped all the loot into a chest and split it evenly
oak kelp
yea, when I've used it, it's been used for everyone getting a share of the loot in a trusted but random group without needing to sort or handle anything really
cobalt shoal
an example is if it stored all the loot from chests whenever you opened/broke it...
although this feels like it could completely eliminate various purposes of the purple tesseract, selling potions and blocks and other stuff in carriers is still very much a thing so i dont expect there to be a large issue there
i would certainly enjoy it working as a compact storage for loot that you can unbox when youre in a safe zone - if i could run a poi or dungeon where all the loot in every chest i opened was immediately sent into my lootbox without any other players nearby at all, i would genuinely think willows epic would be one of the best qol epics (bonus points if it takes /pu into account so it doesnt crash the shard every time)
all that requires is for it to take your own chests
just want to ask about the book banning - wasnt that supposed to be fixed?
i remember seeing it get fixed in a changelog
upbeat fulcrum
I skill issued and forgot a tag when making the PR
elfin scarab
I honestly agree, it felt that it wasn’t good
And need to be rework or replace with something else
fresh relic
honestly if it was like a 100 slot carrier dispenser and instantly broke chests that would be pretty nifty
elfin scarab
It like a person stole our loot with a loot box
fresh relic
i could take it into teal race and not worry about having like more than 7 spaces available
cobalt shoal
judging by the last thread, it was pretty clear that we could not come to an agreement on what a lootbox rework should be
cobalt shoal
i would certainly enjoy it working as a compact storage for loot that you can un...
making it take your own chests to allow this is what i think is the best change we can do without going in the direction of reworking it
(and yes it would be incredibly nice for teal race)
fresh relic
like a personal looter
i wouldn’t have to uh
use axes and shit
except for the story strike oriented among us axes would be better for VERY long and uninterrupted ss grind seshes
cobalt shoal
i also want to point out how insanely useful this would be for new players
cobalt shoal
their inventories get clogged up so easily its insane
fresh relic
i could very much see this as like a hotswap out for my 1 slot
oh wait you just mean it like autolooting
lole
cobalt shoal
what did you mean it as?
fresh relic
that but break the chest too
cobalt shoal
i dont think it should break the chest
unless you yourself break it ofc
all i want is for lootbox to have some form of usefulness in solo content and this looks like the best solution to me
severe solstice
i realize that players would like a lot of things reworked or removed, don't nee...
Maybe a thing that autoloots the chest when you open it .probably won't be a lag machine with extra steps. I don't think it would be op cause you would have to open the chest . It would just be a nice thing for ppl who don't use axes. In general it would be as fast as breaking it with an axe but more convenient
spark ibex
A good solution to this would be to have a party system. Loot collected by the party would stored somewhere else and when the party disbands, then the loot is automatically split evenly between the members. Small quantities of things like pigments would be automatically raffled randomly to members of the party.
Lootboxes would be reworked into something else(or just a solo loot collection quality of life item).