Shade Hounds - A Test of Sanity | Monumenta | Page 1

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 6:23 AM

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Who would've thought that trying to hit a small target that constantly jumps up and down while it tries to attack you would be hard?

These things are like gnats. You can't hit them very well if you don't have AoE because of their janky attack AI, meaning melee classes suffer when they see these things. They spawn in packs which is only made worse in delves. These things also teleport behind you mid-combat, which means not only can you not ignore them, if you try to kite them or backpedal on them to hit them, the pack will begin teleporting behind you and hit you, knocking you into the half in front of you, essentially sealing your fate.

On top of all of that, when these things successfully maul you to death, because they're neutral mobs, they don't despawn. Meaning when you try to run back to your grave, those 7 dogs that killed you are going to teleport behind you and rip you to shreds right again, costing you 5 anvils.

These things are annoying as hell, and because they don't despawn, these things are easily one of the top five worst mobs in Monumenta currently. If Hellhound rounds are ever added to Gallery maps, just shove Shade Hounds in there as they are currently, because they'd be perfect for a place themed around fears.

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"aww look she's smiling!"

azure rose Nov 21, 2022, 6:25 AM

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guess i havent played enough keep pois to actually have this situation happen to me

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 6:25 AM

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i wish that there were laws in Monumenta that allow you to put down dogs if they bite you

azure rose Nov 21, 2022, 6:25 AM

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they're just like normal mobs to me >>

azure rose Nov 21, 2022, 6:25 AM

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dense yew i wish that there were laws in Monumenta that allow you to put down dogs if they...

you can! by b l i z z a r d.

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 6:25 AM

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play a melee class against these things

heady parrot Nov 21, 2022, 6:27 AM

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Atleast not as bad as magenta skelleton!

latent shard Nov 21, 2022, 6:27 AM

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Say that again after they shred your arm

heady parrot Nov 21, 2022, 6:28 AM

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Or phantoms in general...

latent shard Nov 21, 2022, 6:29 AM

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heady parrot Or phantoms in general...

Phantoms directly attack your head, they're not that hard to deal with

heady parrot Nov 21, 2022, 6:30 AM

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latent shard Phantoms directly attack your head, they're not that hard to deal with

(Real)

fierce marlin Nov 21, 2022, 6:32 AM

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dense yew play a melee class against these things

Swordsage?

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 6:32 AM

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By definition you are a melee class but you have a shitload of AoE

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if you do not have reliable AoE, shade hounds will end your life and kill you twice over

fierce marlin Nov 21, 2022, 6:33 AM

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Why hit the mob when you can just hit everything around it

icy heron Nov 21, 2022, 6:34 AM

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Monumenta has created a massive hate of dogs for me

azure rose Nov 21, 2022, 6:37 AM

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dense yew play a melee class against these things

ive been a warrior from the start lol

dull terrace Nov 21, 2022, 6:37 AM

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Kinda annoy when it running around when I set it on fire by use Kisarith, and maybe I done too less, I can't shoot them very well when they are far away have only particle show its place

lapis chasm Nov 21, 2022, 6:38 AM

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There are many more annoying mobs imo,and i havent had a massive problem with these but one thing ill say is that they deal way to much damage for how small,fast and common they are.

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It turns from a bad mob to a really bad mob just by the fact it deals so much damage

livid sluice Nov 21, 2022, 6:47 AM

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Man, as a person who lives using Holy Javelin to get my Crusade 2* on Slayer enemies, having them run away when I need to hit them with my Luminous Infusion is a pain and makes me wake up in cold sweats to think if I do get the Saquarine Halls Cleric Charm to make Crusade 2* easier, not deal enough damage to kill those buggers, keeps me away at night. Spector of Ignorance change has come to haunt us as their tenancy to run from enemies has been transmuted into these doggos. :c

spiral kiln Nov 21, 2022, 6:59 AM

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they're fine, only issue i have with them is aggro swap when teleporting

honest leaf Nov 21, 2022, 7:00 AM

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Thanks so much for saying this, devs need to remember that mobs need to be fun to fight

spiral kiln Nov 21, 2022, 7:01 AM

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i think they're a good mob except for the no despawning thing

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provides a unique challenge

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i suppose

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 7:01 AM

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they're only a challenge for melee classes

spiral kiln Nov 21, 2022, 7:01 AM

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i have 0 issues with them

honest leaf Nov 21, 2022, 7:02 AM

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not the fun type

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of challenge

spiral kiln Nov 21, 2022, 7:02 AM

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maybe they're only a challenge on cleric

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 7:02 AM

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they're terrible on assassin

spiral kiln Nov 21, 2022, 7:02 AM

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idk stealth exists

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tbf i have never played assassin

honest leaf Nov 21, 2022, 7:03 AM

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assassin explaining why they are poking dogs

cerulean bay Nov 21, 2022, 7:07 AM

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I think that's why I find it hard to switch to any other class from alch
my aim sucks
still trying though

pearl gale Nov 21, 2022, 8:20 AM

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If Hellhound rounds are ever added to Gallery maps, just shove Shade Hounds in there
Gallery is already tough as a melee class with particles from mobs dying completely blocking your screen in later waves, do not add dogs or spiders to that mix

clever trellis Nov 21, 2022, 8:29 AM

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I both have a hate and love relationship with these shades. They're very unique and either easy to manage on melee, or if you muck up they become a living nightmare

pastel linden Nov 21, 2022, 12:45 PM

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dense yew they're terrible on assassin

actually I've found them to be tolerable on assassin

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though I don't think I'd want to fight them on other melee classes

shut scroll Nov 21, 2022, 1:42 PM

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They’re definitely really annoying, but I regularly BMB them and continue hitting or critting them afterwards. There’s definitely worse mobs that exist for melee classes, but I do agree on the annoyance of these ones

warm bough Nov 21, 2022, 2:10 PM

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i have to do the parry strike to get a clean hit on these

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even then their invis screws me up a lot

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so most of the time i just have to trust riposte

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pain

daring kraken Nov 21, 2022, 2:15 PM

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yeah it’s kinda insane how it’s small lunging and teleporting

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and then you just sometimes can’t even see it

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it’s an incredibly annoying mob and rarely feels fun or fair to fight

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god forbid you can’t one shot it and have to sit there swinging at clouds while be shepherded around by them

tawdry stag Nov 21, 2022, 3:10 PM

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on paladin it is EXTREMELY difficult to fight these things

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my main source of crusade is javelin

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…which lights them on fire

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i’m sure we’re all familiar with what happens then

inner crag Nov 21, 2022, 3:34 PM

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me when im a toddler and monarch is a pitbull

pastel linden Nov 21, 2022, 3:39 PM

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Aww monarch is smiling :))))

tawdry stag Nov 21, 2022, 5:16 PM

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the best part is is that hand of light feels like it does nothing to them in terms of stun, it’s like they were never stunned at all

clever trellis Nov 21, 2022, 5:16 PM

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I tend to set them on fire and ignore them

quick cradle Nov 21, 2022, 5:28 PM

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dont they have a massive circle of particles around them

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i just hit that

clever trellis Nov 21, 2022, 5:51 PM

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^

thorn tundra Nov 21, 2022, 5:53 PM

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dense yew Who would've thought that trying to hit a small target that constantly jumps up ...

ah, I can see that you're not an alch

fierce marlin Nov 21, 2022, 6:59 PM

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Imagine not playing a class with a stupid amount of aoe

livid sluice Nov 21, 2022, 8:03 PM

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Luminous Infusion is Paladin's main AOE (most of the time, only AOE), and yeaaaa, you can see the trouble in that. :c

magic mesa Nov 21, 2022, 8:10 PM

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Can confirm lighting the shade hounds on fire allows you to forget about them

dense yew Nov 21, 2022, 8:13 PM

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You can’t kill them as easy because they scatter around like flies after you swat at them once

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:18 AM

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icy heron Monumenta has created a massive hate of dogs for me

God same, not irl but every time I see an mc dog in R1 or R2 or survival I get paranoid

livid sluice Nov 22, 2022, 2:19 AM

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I was thinking of running a Blue where I just have like 50 wolves follow me from Highwatch's spawn eggs :P

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:20 AM

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My issue with them isn't that they're hard to kill or cause a lot of damage, they just will not chill ever and you always have to turn your back to your current enemies to fight them

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which happens way too often, when doing keep pois I hear that tp sound like every 10 seconds

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it's so annoying

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Individually their traits wouldn't be that bad but they are

Invisible
2.Spawn in big groups
Have tiny hitboxes
Have janky AI and are super hard to predict
Move very fast
Will not stop spamming that stupid TP
Will never despawn

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They also literally require you to play monumenta with sound on otherwise you will be knocked into the mobs in front of you

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I hate them so much even though i'm an AoE class that can deal with them

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No enemy comes close so far in any of R1, R2, or R3 to their annoyance level

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God forbid you run a bounty delve and they have infernal, then on top of all their other stuff they'll also just chunk you for half your health

heady parrot Nov 22, 2022, 2:25 AM

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They jump.

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:26 AM

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true

heady parrot Nov 22, 2022, 2:26 AM

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I sometimes it just tp out of thin air when i was just walking around

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Like
..
How

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:27 AM

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Honestly if they just didn't have the tp they'd be fine, I wouldn't mind them, but them being able to target you through walls, gank you while you're fighting some more important enemy, and spawn camp you is their worst part

heady parrot Nov 22, 2022, 2:27 AM

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Human shades : gain 2 life
Wolf shades : god

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:27 AM

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They're honestly a higher priority target than most elites

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I always prioritize killing them first because they make fighting any other mob miserable

errant heath Nov 22, 2022, 2:31 AM

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good dog best friend

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:34 AM

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I don't really know what enemy in any region/content is more annoying than shade hounds

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maybe the trident drowned in hekawt but that's mostly due to the context of the fight and not the actual mob

livid sluice Nov 22, 2022, 2:35 AM

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Maybe Guardians in R1 Cititdel of the Deep?

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or those Mining Fatigue Elite Guardians in EC

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or the infamous Lime Bomber (tho, I never had an issue with them)

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:37 AM

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lime bomber is terrifying conceptually but really not much of a threat in practice

livid sluice Nov 22, 2022, 2:37 AM

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Oh, Dark Magus/Old Specter of Ignorance

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:38 AM

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I like the arx drones

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I find them fun to fight

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true

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it all comes back to shade hounds

livid sluice Nov 22, 2022, 2:38 AM

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The true bombers

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Actually, as a Cleric, I'd say Beehive is probs the worst, solely due to it being an early enemy you encounter that is way to tanky/smaller than it has to be

heady parrot Nov 22, 2022, 2:40 AM

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I hate dragons

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Blue dragons

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:40 AM

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oh yeah dragons suck

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Dragons are worse but they're thankfully way rarer than the dogs

livid sluice Nov 22, 2022, 2:40 AM

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I actually never had problems with Dragons?

heady parrot Nov 22, 2022, 2:40 AM

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Oh and the bomber phantoms from wolfs wood

wind bobcat Nov 22, 2022, 2:40 AM

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I think that's another reason why I hate hounds so much, they're in almost every keep poi

livid sluice Nov 22, 2022, 2:41 AM

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ye, that's a pain :c

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Tho, a floating block you can interact with, actually sounds like a really cool idea

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Ride the Beehive into the Sunset :D

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Wait, thought just occured to me. Like what we saw with Ohio, if you had a LOT of KBR and a bunch of potions to chug, couldn't you drag a Beehive into a city and use it as a stool to get into some wacky areas?

quick cradle Nov 22, 2022, 9:39 AM

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Maybe y’all should spawn a bunch of wolves and fight them in vanilla. Their pathing really isn’t that bad.

dense yew Nov 22, 2022, 9:41 AM

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of course they aren't that bad, until they start teleporting behind you and knocking you into the other pack

clever trellis Nov 22, 2022, 1:16 PM

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It's everything that they provide, they have a high skill ceiling to deal w/ effectively

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Now do it consistently and it's genuinely an awful experience for a lot of players

lament canyon Nov 22, 2022, 9:59 PM

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Honestly they aren’t that bad in normal play WITH crusade enhancement and hollow gladiolus to easily defeat them. Otherwise, especially in delve presets I usually excel at, they are really annoying and you have to kill the pace of gameplay to put them down

lament canyon Nov 22, 2022, 10:02 PM

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livid sluice Actually, as a Cleric, I'd say Beehive is probs the worst, solely due to it bein...

Beehives are easy
B E E S
are evil.
Tiny hit box? Check
Fast and silent?
Able to almost get a guaranteed hit on you?
Usually deal enough damage to take you out?
Bees in r3 hurt my feelings :(

lament canyon Nov 22, 2022, 10:22 PM

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I wish they weren’t SILENT
because they can spawn and hit you without making a noise

livid sluice Nov 23, 2022, 8:09 AM

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POV: When you play Capa or Bloodthirsty but Bumblebee decides to turn your body into grated cheese.

hollow sequoia Nov 23, 2022, 3:23 PM

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From my experience as warrior in 22pt arx, the hounds are the last mob to kill me. They feel slower and less aggressive than the other mobs in that poi. I can see how the jumpscares might be an issue, but as long as you can see the smoke particles before they turn visible and note the teleport cue they don’t seem too bad. The only concern for me is when they camp a grave (persist) with infernal/arcanic abilities

crimson gale Nov 24, 2022, 4:19 AM

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the only class ive found these dogs fucking intolerable is cleric

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the other melee classes have some sort of counter to this

tawdry stag Nov 24, 2022, 5:01 AM

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crimson gale the only class ive found these dogs fucking intolerable is cleric

yeah . though I haven’t even played another melee class

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shit like assassin can stand still and still deal a lot of damage to them without even critting

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much easier to hit them

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also stealth

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and smokescreen ig

warm bough Nov 24, 2022, 2:18 PM

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report: ran pois with the slated hounds a lot more times and they are a lot more tolerable when i'm not trying to swing at them at 4 in the morning

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it's honestly fine if you know their location, it's just the invisibility part that screws it over, everything else is fine aside from the despawning bit but that's technical i assume.

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any melee class should be fine dealing with them (assuming you deal enough damage in a sweep/crit) or have an offhand shield to crutch on

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the jumping is cause for concern since they can just. dodge? it gets annoying don't get me wrong, but the experience definitely hasn't been the same for me as it has for others

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even on cleric it wasn't that bad to deal with these

pastel linden Nov 24, 2022, 2:22 PM

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do you have any particles on

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the invis is ok when the particles give them away

tawdry stag Nov 24, 2022, 9:43 PM

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our cries were heard

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they won’t spaz out when we set them on fire now

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pitbull

dense yew Dec 1, 2022, 5:48 AM

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Bringing this back up again after playing with the change to flaming dogs, and some more class feedback

I’ve been playing Assassin, Swordsage, Paladin and Bow Scout most recently and I’ve been grinding out some Pelias POIs, notably Doomed Encampment, Arx Spirensis and Quelled Convent

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As bow scout, it’s been nice not having the hounds sprint away at 30 miles an hour after shooting them with a fire aspect bow. Now they just continue to walk forward and maul me.

Assassin still struggles with them because of the classes’ inherent lack of AoE, the movement speed of the Hounds and their ability to zoop behind you. Nothings changed for me with this, I still struggle killing these things consistently.

The fire change made Paladin a bit nicer to kill these things, but because they’re not a favored enemy type, and Paladin’s inherent lack of AoE, I still struggled. Just not as much.

I picked up Swordsage this week. Made shade hounds a non-threat. Blade Dance and Deadly Ronde basically meant I didn’t need to aim at all, which is about what I expected. I was just playing an AoE/Melee class in disguise after all.

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I still think these mobs need tweaking to make Melee players not want to die, preferably seeing their damage dropped a bit so they don’t shred you completely. It would also be nice if the bug that neutral mobs don’t despawn was fixed, because there was a couple times where I deathlooped due to the Hounds.

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inb4 it’s dubbed a feature and not a bug despite this going against the rules of spawners set with the rework to them

heady parrot Dec 1, 2022, 5:55 AM

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Mage and alch : huh..

wind bobcat Dec 1, 2022, 5:55 AM

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The real fun begins when they leave their poi and you just get ambushed by them while in your speed set trying to get to forsaken manor

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you just get oneshot :)

dense yew Dec 1, 2022, 5:56 AM

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yep that happened a handful of times

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Well specifically one time when I was leaving Antium for the first time on a shard and got a pack of hounds TPing to me as I was walking to doomed encampment

heady parrot Dec 1, 2022, 5:58 AM

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Pov: walking in old antium and a black smoky looking dog is behind you

thorn tundra Dec 1, 2022, 6:28 AM

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bork

crimson gale Dec 1, 2022, 6:58 AM

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arx phantoms a test of sanity

livid sluice Dec 1, 2022, 9:08 AM

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Ironically, I wanted to test out Threads of Valor if it would be better to hit those Doggos with easier Javelin + Crusade 2* inflict and having them not run away more ends up with me panicing a lot more when dealing with them than before, since when they were running away I could get away with getting swarmed :P

lapis urchin Dec 1, 2022, 11:58 PM

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I agree that these things not despawning is a massive pain in the neck.

dense yew Dec 27, 2022, 6:21 AM

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stare

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The fact that these mobs still don't despawn, combined with the new death system meaning they can now track you as you're in your death cutscene or w/e has officially made these things worse

#Shade Hounds - A Test of Sanity