🪹the-sepulchre-arg

[lime inlet]

(I will fucking livid if thats true)

[exotic bane]

the root of all evil

[lime inlet]

23mb was really the start of the end

[exotic bane]

yuh
that gooner prolly was what kicked of all thius

[wanton adder]

you should probably post one for the mlo toc voicelines

[topaz geyser]

It has all the lines bro

[jolly sail]

Can we get a closer look on judge's KIA bracelet that's in the cosmetics? It could shed a light on how and when he got entangled with USIA

[vestal light]

the KIA bracelet? you mean the one with the information of the past squad leader you get from Relapse?

[plush tulip]

Haj are generally less of a furry thing, that's a diff community
there does exist some overlap but its different

[native cedar]

What are Haj?

[plush tulip]

blahaj

[native cedar]

Ah the IKEA shark thing. I didn't know there was a community based around that tho.

[plush tulip]

its the trans community
they adopted it for
genuinely unknown reasons

couldnt tell ya why

[jolly sail]

I will check if it's from relapse

[vestal light]

i guess the trans blue and blåhaj blue are kind of similar if you squint and shine a really bright light on the blåhaj

and the mouth is pink
and the underbelly is white

[plush tulip]

blue body white lower body pink mount thats the colors

[vestal light]

holy crap i just realized that blåhaj has trans colors

never realized, that's so cool

[jolly sail]

Oh it's not a KIA bracelet, disregard

[vestal light]

it would be cool to know if the guy on the bracelet is H Lincoln or someone else
ima check

[cinder obsidian]

There is those keycards whatnot

Maybe you need to collect allat shi in order for it to play out or S rank every single mission, full evidence whatnot

Like completely maxing this shit out

Also regarding of This memorial exhibition of H. Lincoln's rifle, there is said there was LS city Hall siege before. So does that mean H Lincoln was actually sleeper too? And does that mean that secret ending is not cannon? Because we were actually supposed to defeat those attackers like H Lincoln did.

Aka we were supposed to resist them and bring them down once and for all

[vestal light]

i already did that. no ending unlocked

[vestal light]

im not sure about that as evidence, but what tells me to him being a member of the Order is that 1 he stepped away very suddenly, maybe bc the USIA wanted to test on him. and 2 because he was an officer he might know a lot about comms equipment
that way i think H Lincoln is actually the radio hijacker

[lime inlet]

I have one

[vestal light]

based

[cinder obsidian]

I also thought about it, but I think it's highly unlikely given how much resemblances between H Lincoln and Judge, H Lincoln did 3 similar deployments as we do in boiling point.

There is one thing tho

[plush tulip]

I have two :3

[cinder obsidian]

Unrelated to that but there is seismic mapping evidence, any thoughts if that can be teaser of something bigger, if those tunnels are connected to the prison judge was in after secret ending?

[delicate shoal]

im laying on mine rn ^u^

[vestal light]

one day i will have my one blåhaj and i will be unstoppable

[cinder obsidian]

Because they see the resemblance that wasn't even meant to be there which is pure coincidence and they think it's a blessing

[vestal light]

i think it might be connected to hear me out a nuclear missile silo level

[cinder obsidian]

A what?

Do you mean we will be having blacksite shit in next DLC or sum

[vestal light]

just have a feeling about it

[delicate shoal]

i dont think theyd go that far yet

might be wrong though idk

[vestal light]

depends on whether or not DLC5 will be the end of the story or not

[cinder obsidian]

I think tho in next DLC We will be having something with National Guard related stuff because they were meant to be deployed by the request of President to Los Suenos

[plush tulip]

they were deployed at the beginning of a new America

[cinder obsidian]

Or we can get different story in different city about what have happened after boiling point.

[vestal light]

was that in the tv broadcast?

[cinder obsidian]

Yeo

[vestal light]

i dont see that per se - the whole game was built up around the LSPD and so are some of the cosmetics

[cinder obsidian]

Or we can get as name suggests "A new America" And some really fucked up shit in it

Depending on which ending of it is actually cannon

And what is happening with judge after "are you ready to no longer... Be"

[vestal light]

heck if the bad ending is canon then there'd be a reason for us to go to a blacksite in a different place

hed be fully brainwashed, more than the mlo were

[delicate shoal]

honestly if the final DLC isnt named 'here i come' im gonna tweak

[cinder obsidian]

Also did y'all saw if y'all play with subtitles that man with green gloves appears to have red marking just like FISA had in Hide and seek

But once the judge accepted offer of man with green gloves he turned blue

[delicate shoal]

ya :)

its a really neat detail, as it shows that the subtitles dont indicate whos actually a threat, but rather who judge sees as a threat

[cinder obsidian]

Also it would give more context to Gerard being anti Government bastard and Same with Elaine, even at this point of introduction of boiling point and even in Main story it makes sense

Because Gerard knew about Mariposa and David being a sleeper, so did Elaine because SHE WAS SURVEYING DAVID FROM THIS HIDDEN ROOM WHEN LSPD WAS UNDER RENOVATION

[vestal light]

i thought she was just in contact with a guy who was monitoring Judge

[cinder obsidian]

One is for sure, whatever is coming is going to jaw drop us once again

Because you can say whatever you want about VOID but this time they cooked.

[vestal light]

mhm. hear hear.

[cinder obsidian]

I had actually the same feeling on New America just as I did on the first Playtrough of RoN

Valley of Dolls, Spider, Hide n Seek got me off guard then

And thats really great about RoN, it doesn't have to be labeled as horror, because this shit can happen or it happens everyday

(Example, Stein island)

Or Peter Scully case

Unabomber Hunt

See the resemblances?

Weird

[sharp raptor]

Why isn’t there a Glukhovskoye Mafia?

[lime inlet]

"Judge's sanity"

I'm struggling to find that one

[dusk pilot]

missing the whole sacred geometry seven towers of satan esoterica all the way at the bottom

cordova tower was built by the MLO to harness some dark energy or something like that

[sharp raptor]

These are just minor details. I don’t think he has an art book. Art books contain background stories that aren’t usually found in most games.

[lime inlet]

Camera-D's oracle of knowledge

[sharp raptor]

Although I don’t think the art book is a must-buy, I do believe that if you’re creating videos or writing articles related to the storyline, having the art book would be a useful addition.

[sharp raptor]

It’s quite simple: the game never mentions the backstory of La Familia Cárdenas or the Russian Mafia—in fact, nobody even knows the Russian Mafia’s name—but the art book does indeed refer to their lore.

[dusk pilot]

didnt know they had lore in there

what kind of stuff does it have

[sharp raptor]

The backstories of each faction

[sharp raptor]

as well as artistic illustrations and text descriptions for each level. It also includes some geographical information and weapons

[dusk pilot]

would you happen to have any images? dont think its archived anywhere online

[lime inlet]

I always thought the Russians were the Spider guys

[sharp raptor]

Map

[lime inlet]

Yeah, alot of stuff just calls them The Spider

[sharp raptor]

They are external interest groups

[sharp raptor]

Most of these mafia members are former KGB agents and politicians

[vestal light]

damn Camera-D we eating good, i had no idea about the art books importance. thanks

[fast jasper]

wow

[plain imp]

The Bratva are the Glukhovskiye Mafia. Because it's the synonym to the Russian Mafia term itself.

[coarse oriole]

Because I don't think it was mentioned before the Boiling Point update

[plain imp]

Yeah, that's most likely the answer to that as well.

[hidden bobcat]

Is it possible that anyone could share some faction background descriptions from the artbook?

The artbook is not sold standalone iirc.

[sharp raptor]

I think the fact that VOID doesn’t sell art books separately is also part of the problem

[exotic bane]

u can get the art?

[vestal light]

well, this is the RoN official discord. if we make big enough of a ruckus they may consider selling digital copies standalone

[exotic bane]

tru tru

[hidden bobcat]

apparantly i can't 😥

i just think some descriptions would be helpful for understanding the game's lore

[vital cipher]

what’s the sepulchre about

[vestal light]

in-game conspiracies
basically hidden lore
its the name of the ARG surrounding RoN

for example, the MLO uses the homeless in the Greenside dorms for... idk smth i forgot

[vital cipher]

oh i see

interesting thank you

[vestal light]

is the SWAT guy in the briefings the Metropolitan Division Captain? It cant be Judge, and it can't be Chief Alvarez.

[plush tulip]

there are a couple different guys who do the briefings

[shrewd yarrow]

drug testing

[vestal light]

yeah that
wonder why

[shrewd yarrow]

probably cause greenside was an abandoned dorm, noone really thinks to go there easy to hide

homeless were probably easy to convince to try a form of "meth"

[vestal light]

but why would the MLO wanna do that anyways?

im not asking why drug the druggies im asking why would the MLO drug the druggies

[shrewd yarrow]

to step up Judge

to lead him to them

in a way

[vestal light]

hm... all for Judge. But I thought their main thing was a hard reset on the US Govt to dismantle the agencies that abused them. Judge seems like a side objective to their overall operations

I suppose the MLO did it to brew instability and fear, just like everything else theyve influenced

[shrewd yarrow]

mmhm

[vestal light]

make them hate their homeless, their veterans, their abused women, the nations abroad, the tree huggers, their politicians, their superstars, their neighbors, their own kids. its all to brew fear of one another. And then they set the public up to blame one organization: The LSPD, and by extension, LS as a whole

and it's like one of the cops in the station said. This op could be nation-wide.

[radiant sonnet]

hmmmm

[exotic bane]

right so uhhh

how do you get the concept art??

[exotic bane]

appears the station was shot up

[brazen sluice]

rocks

[exotic bane]

god knowsd

knowing LS gun laws tho...

it was prolly this thing that did it

[brazen sluice]

modified rock launcher

[exotic bane]

actually its a colt navy with a fucking c-lock handguard and magpul CTR

only way to get a legal ar in cali

[lusty glacier]

Art book comes with the weight of the badge pack

[exotic bane]

fahhh

im in the uk and cant geddit

[lusty glacier]

Damn

[lusty glacier]

Slightly modified rock launcher

[exotic bane]

plus my mum would smite me

its fucking 200 pounds

[hidden bobcat]

the Dorms evidence

now thinking about it, it's a good proof of whatever organization capturing the innocents to do 4L1 experiments

[vestal light]

SQUADMATE NEWS
https://youtu.be/qE1BhdjMyLk?si=nypmxVDNo-p5ToqO
in the video by Shayne, we can see some of the squadmate bios. Previously they were kind of lost media, but now we have the old alpha/beta bios for Judge, Eli, Prescott, and Alabama. Sadly, no Swan or King tho.

[native cedar]

Won't it ship to the UK?

[exotic bane]

yuh i missread

i thought it said dosnt

[native cedar]

Ah i get you

It is quite a pricy bundle tbf

But I really want the artbook

[vestal light]

also i theorize that so many cold-war era weapons are around because of gun laws in cali being so restrictive that suspects gotta use trench shotguns and MPLs and Calicos to dodge the restrictions since in this version of Cali they may qualify as antique firearms

[copper elbow]

Something that clicked for me listening to the ANA TOC voice lines before the MLO takes over comms is just how thick the regular TOC is laying on “command language”. Parts of it are almost a word salad of official-sounding vocabulary.

I’m paraphrasing, but one of the documents in the station talks about Judge’s programming responding to authority, and struggling in environments with competing authorities.

FISA knows this and knows the MLO knows it too and is likely trying to reach Judge the same way. The normal LSPD TOC may or may not know the reason for it.

Both sides are trying to gain control of communications with Judge by controlling the radio signal. Both sides are trying to influence his actions. FISA is trying to retain control by doubling down on his psychological triggers couched in administrative language. The MLO by exposing the triggers themselves.

What I originally thought was just a cool note of narrative progression is actually an expression that FISA is fucking terrified they’re gonna lose their man

“Programmed psychosis” is what they’re priming him for all through the first floor

[iron frost]

NFA items not exempt with C&R

[vestal light]

there are exceptions, specifically for some C&R firearms that may technically qualify for also being NFA if it weren't for them being C&R. It is not hard to believe that the Walther MPL and the like can be classified as such in an alternate universe Cali

[exotic bane]

might be unreleated, but ive counted so far theres atleast 5 guys mentally breaking down in the LSPD station

also related

@peak oar
@plush lintel
Mind discussing it in here?

for medias sake

[plush lintel]

love it

[exotic bane]

heres full img btw

[plush lintel]

where is that graph we're talking about?

[exotic bane]

bottem left

[plush lintel]

yes great

eeg or cardio for what I can see

just a sec

[exotic bane]

thanks m8

[peak oar]

the chart is upside down btw

[exotic bane]

i did read "eeg" so i assumed it fahwas

[plush lintel]

4 channels, I vote for cardio

the signal is very consistent with it in my opinion

[plush lintel]

if I readt it correctly (I cant), we can detect heart failure on it

[exotic bane]

hmmm

[peak oar]

if it is a cardiogram that second half is

concerning to say the least

[exotic bane]

that aint good-

yeah

[plush lintel]

actually judge is in a very good shape. not surprising for a swat elite member

[exotic bane]

im pretty sure judge aint even the most fucked up in RoN

[plush lintel]

thanks for sharing!

[exotic bane]

plus he was former war on terror, prolly 2000-2011 or 12

[exotic bane]

np :)

[plush lintel]

some stuff/mV here

[exotic bane]

hmm

[peak oar]

whats the date on the boiling point missions?

[exotic bane]

2028

[plush lintel]

I count 28 signals, so considering it is a 30 sec record, our man is 56 heart beat/minute.

[plain imp]

Look here: #🪹the-sepulchre-arg message

[plush lintel]

sportive one.between 18 and 50 years old, non smoker.

[exotic bane]

hmm

i put judge around 30?

[peak oar]

looks like that document was written 2 days before buy cheap buy twice

[exotic bane]

or 40

Cus WOT

GWOT*

[peak oar]

i am bad at reading

that was 2 years before the document

i think "Recommendation: Maintain active monitoring through embedded welness liaision" is a weird implication

did they honeytrap judge?

[exotic bane]

i thinmk i know why LS is so fucked up

bcs they removed balistic testing guy in chamber

[delicate shoal]

son why is there a :( on the cardiogram

[plush lintel]

cuz it is the end of the chart and we want some more!

[exotic bane]

WAIT

I got a theory

What if the explosives in the unitrust banc are ocnnected to the trigger in new merica

or am i going mentally insane again

[delicate shoal]

considering all 3 missions most likely happened in one day, it wouldn't be shocking

[exotic bane]

they happend across two days

Peir, the sept 3rd
banc and merica sept 4th

[delicate shoal]

oohhh

either way, banc and ANA happened in the same day so its plausible

[exotic bane]

tru

[peak oar]

also i gotta say "self identifies as "a function, not a feeling"" is raw af

me too judge, me too

[exotic bane]

i feel that

judge may have DID

[delicate shoal]

DID as in Dissociative Identity Disorder?

[exotic bane]

yuh
or whatever the fuck its called

[peak oar]

it does sound like he has a disassociative disorder

[delicate shoal]

ive done a fair share of researcher on it and its highly unlikely that he does

[exotic bane]

i dont remeber which disorder its called

i think it was DID, idk much ab disorders

[delicate shoal]

while yes he probably has a dissassociative disorder, DID is definitely not it

throughout all of what we see of judge, it's still solely judge. there's never any big personality shifts or changes that could imply someone else was in his place mentally (known as fronting/being in front)

[exotic bane]

idk which one

EDD or EGG or smth

[peak oar]

oh shit i just realized

theres also 4 types of brainwaves

but the charts for that look way different in our world

[exotic bane]

lmao :Sob

[peak oar]

judge might also have a sleep disorder if the document is to believed

i really gotta s rank that AnA mission to take a closer look at that pepe-silvia ass sleeping arrangment he has

[delicate shoal]

its just a fucking mattress on the floor and its not even adult-sized 😭

no wonder he has issues sleeping

[peak oar]

wait, that one has a chart on it also

where is that one?

listening room?

[exotic bane]

yeah

like i assume he would just be fully emotionless

and from what ve seen
the only ever time hes showed empathy was in hide and seek
so i bet he has EDD

[delicate shoal]

which one is that again?

[exotic bane]

empathy deficiant disorder

empathy Deficit Disorde

[delicate shoal]

ooohhh

[exotic bane]

mb for typo

[delicate shoal]

yeah that tracks

id say the mixture of EDD and PTSD (from the chicago incident) definitely mix into who he is now

[exotic bane]

plus PTSD from GWOT..

cus he had like 4 or 5 tours

[delicate shoal]

yeah

[exotic bane]

plus we have the option to kill civillians

Most certenly he has alot of EDD
(Cannon i dont think he kills any)

and the option to shoot te swat heli down

(also not cannon)

and the option to blow america to bits
prolly cannon?

[delicate shoal]

id consider the ANA bad ending to be semi-canon until we see how the new DLC plays out

[exotic bane]

yeah
i feel judge is certenly fucked up beyond saving

[delicate shoal]

he is suffering from, as the achievement is named, programmed psychosis

[exotic bane]

plus he never needs therapy

[exotic bane]

yeah

hes a USIA sleeper agent yknow

[delicate shoal]

that could also be what caused the EDD to manifest, the experiments he underwent most likely wiped out a good chunk of his empathy factor

[exotic bane]

yeah
cus tramua + becomin sleep agent

[delicate shoal]

afterall, they wanted to make the perfect officer, and if the officer crumbles under the weight of their actions due to empathy, why keep the empathy around?

god i love focusing on the psychological aspects of things

[exotic bane]

yeah

Plus you have the option in elephant to continue the shooting if alone

[delicate shoal]

pardon

😨

[exotic bane]

no like

you can shoot civillians

thats what i ment

[delicate shoal]

ohhh

[exotic bane]

that was worded terrebly

[delicate shoal]

i think thats less of lore-related and moreso people abusing game mechanics

[exotic bane]

yeah

from what ive seen

you do have the choice to kill civillians
probally meaning you could do the bad shit

damn lack of sleep be affectin my typin

[delicate shoal]

dw i feel ya

[exotic bane]

yuh

[exotic bane]

lore accruate judge

[vestal light]

okay so new theory
so, modern weapons are sold by the spider. modified weapons are sold by desperate people and families like the Trens. So, where do the vintage and simpler firearms come from? The MLO. To stir up the pot, give everyone a gun, especially the dangerous criminals. And I'm sticking to my abandoned USIA blacksite theory, so I believe that's the MLO's base and where they get their FALs and M16s. It'd make sense considering a lot of who they are and their options.

[frozen trench]

Definitely not. It fails the mission objective and says mission failed. As proven by port, if there is an objective on the score board, you can bet achieving it is the canon thing. On port we can see on the apartment board that judge closed the container and a lot of people questioned him because he had jurisdiction. But that part of his obedience program.

[exotic bane]

huh? that aint hapend to me?

mission musta bugged for me

[spare edge]

is there a lore reason why the man in green gloves has a theatric demeanor

[exotic bane]

this ws commented under issac morgans vid b cherryessa farm

[vestal light]

considering judge is a usia victim, this could be a reference to what may be the canon ending - the home one where he follows orders instead of becoming a terrorist or dying like all the other subjects

[exotic bane]

god knows

js decided to post it cus why not

[vestal light]

idk maybe its a quote from some obscure book like house of leaves or the king in yellow

there's been a little bit of that in some versions of sepulchre if I'm remembering right

[exotic bane]

yuh

offtopic but i wonder the glock 17 aint ingame

[vestal light]

some suspects use it i believe, maybe

[exotic bane]

yeah

I mean like as a usable gun

[vestal light]

I'd need to replay Megabytes and Gas to figure that out

[exotic bane]

yuh they do got em in meg and gas

[vestal light]

Hm. Wonder why we can't use them then. idk maybe void is trying to stray away from glocks to avoid all the bloat of the same basic models like in the AR section

[exotic bane]

yuh

the fact u need a mod tho

[vestal light]

yeah 💔 typeshit

[exotic bane]

plus the glock 19 is a compant glock 17

Itd js make no sense cus glock 17 is more ergonomic

[vestal light]

It'd also contribute to the '99 retro swat thing that they kind of have outside of most apparel

[exotic bane]

exactly

[vestal light]

you think they'll add Checkin' In with the next DLC?

[exotic bane]

and like

cmon they added the 18c
why not replace the 19 with th1 17

[exotic bane]

wdym

[vestal light]

2020 Hotel

[exotic bane]

ohh

nah
Cus void is dogshit when it comes to what the players want

[vestal light]

I mean they gave us Fast Food

but then again nobody was exactly crying about that map from what i remember

[exotic bane]

erm

[vestal light]

well not as many people were crying about FF as Hotel

[exotic bane]

we may be in the wronng channel

[exotic bane]

tru

[vestal light]

ye lets move it to ron discussion

[exotic bane]

love???

[vestal light]

*move 😧

[pastel vale]

Anything new gents?

[worn walrus]

I think I know how the Green Dragon Society is trying to gain power in Los Sueños, they’re trying to influence powerful families in the city because the Cordovas probably had ties to them since they were gifted multiple Asian artifacts by someone, one of those artifacts being a rug with a green dragon, and in Law Maker there are a lot of Chinese vases in the house.

[sharp raptor]

I get the feeling Green Dragon and the Spider are jointly controlling the United States, though their objectives may differ

[pastel vale]

Maybe

I agree they definitely are helping or directly tied to each other

[worn walrus]

How’re they tied? I haven’t heard this

[heady coral]

If you re-enter the hurricane relief foundation url that was posted before the boiling point update.

https://hurricanerelieffoundation.org

[brazen sluice]

son

[crude tiger]

do we tell him

[brazen sluice]

yes

[crude tiger]

the text is from five nights at freddys

[hidden bobcat]

anything interesting from html comments?

[hidden bobcat]

btw i don't know if there's anything we can do with the website icon

https://hurricanerelieffoundation.org/favicon.png

[exotic bane]

what faction is this?

in ANA

[lusty glacier]

Rioters prob

[vestal light]

they should be bolton security - they're an arm of Black Sentinel and could've been a component of a private security team that was instructed to be covertly in the crowd so that the whole building always had surveillance and support in public areas. they probably followed orders from superiors to work with the mercs when they entered the building

not like the ones in valley, more like the ones in the brixley compound

[exotic bane]

hmm, he had an m1911 (looked like an a1) and fn 57

why would they want the low ass level guys onnit tho?

(slso thanks ferret)

[vestal light]

need all the support they can get to destroy an entire city

also the m1911 might be from the same channels that the MLO exports all their cold war era firearms

[sharp raptor]

Bolton Security has no connection whatsoever with Black Sentinel. At most, they are affiliated with the Spider Organisation.

[exotic bane]

A1 was ww1 time

and interwar

and A1s are rare, classic 1911s prolly got bulk tho

[sharp raptor]

These civilians are merely a mob following the MLO. Moreover, they bear a striking resemblance to the suspects at the petrol station.

[vestal light]

im not sure if ive seen that exact model, but i know I've seen the baseball cap and glasses guy at brixley

if they're not connected to bolton, who could these guys be? they dont look like the mob fellas in all gods burn

[exotic bane]

Hmm, look like they could even be a sep

faction, brb to piss

[sharp raptor]

It’s just standard asset reuse. They’ve done the same thing at fast food. For example, using a motorcycle gang model to represent civilians.

[sharp raptor]

This is simply standard reuse of footage. They were wearing civilian clothes at the agency.

[vestal light]

true, kinda lazy imo. if they wanted rioters with vests just put L4 carriers on the standard models

[pastel vale]

The worst thing to happen in the ready or not universe is that they closed all their smash burger locations

That’s my grand conspiracy on why los suenos is ass

No smash burger = dread and discord

[pastel vale]

It’s weird too cause I also saw one of the lesser suspects from the oil rig mission around too

[blissful pine]

The M1911A1 was the post WW1 into WW2 model, actually.
As of recently, the M1911A1 moniker has been used colloquially to refer to a more classic style M1911, and not always the M1911A1 model itself.

IE for the sake of the game, the 1911A1 is a simpler, more "low end" version of the gun, whereas 1911 would refer to the more "high end" TLE 1911 or M45A1.

[peak oar]

has someone tried calling the service desk at unity trust banc?
the number is [phone]

[exotic bane]

uhhh

ill do that now actually

nope it aint work

[brazen sluice]

what would you do if a void employee picked up

[exotic bane]

nah fr though

proll,y say fuck yhou and hang up

[somber ginkgo]

“Have you ever Hard S ranked with your life on the line, or have bunch of 7,62 stuffed in your mouth?”

[delicate shoal]

the number is fake

its commonly used in movies to put 555 into the number, as that automatically renders it useless

[peak oar]

maybe [phone] or [phone] then?

im not too familiar with american phone area codes, i just inserted the ones for los angeles

[phone] [phone] might be worth trying too, those are for san diego

[vestal light]

yeah, must be placeholders that weren't replaced with the rioters

[vestal light]

iiiiii wouldn't do that - its already been stated that sepulchre doesn't have any phone numbers in the arg

[peak oar]

wasnt aware, thanks for telling

[vestal light]

no problem blackbar

[sacred dawn]

ATF will shoot your dog to be safe since it looks like a pistol with a grip.

Oh god I didn't think that message was that old. First thing I saw when looking at this channel.

[exotic bane]

lool

[sharp raptor]

what

[vestal light]

what

ohhhhh sorry thought i was replying to him

you take care

[sharp raptor]

Bloody hell, these blokes really are KGB agents and government officials😆 😂

[novel gazelle]

Whats the source? Looks interesting to read

[sharp raptor]

RON Art book

[delicate shoal]

drop the link 2 the doc 👀

[radiant sonnet]

US east coast?

So los suenos in on the east coast?

[sharp raptor]

?

[hidden bobcat]

yeah we need a link of the doc

[radiant sonnet]

Wasnt los suenos on the west coast?

[sharp raptor]

Here’s the information about the art book. What’s the point of you focusing on these details? VOID is Irish.

This information essentially tells us that the Glukhovskoye Mafia is constantly expanding its influence with the help of Los Locos.

[radiant sonnet]

Right

[sharp raptor]

[pastel vale]

The reason los suenos sucks is because they don’t have a whataburger

That’s why the MLO was made, whole arg solves

[vestal light]

[exotic bane]

yo guys

governer whitfield is prolly dead, in news report in ANA it says "whitfields car has exploded"

[median dagger]

I’m getting deeper in the rabbit hole but I don’t know what is the ANA? Educate me

[exotic bane]

ANA = a new america

js for uz lazy asses who cant be arsed to type a new america

[median dagger]

😭🙏

[median dagger]

You have a SS of the news report

[exotic bane]

it was audio

[median dagger]

Oh gotcha

[median dagger]

Is there a game file I can access that was all audio logs and evidence/images

[pastel vale]

It’s accessed in on the TVs in the courtroom, the meeting room, or near the entrance to the main area where the vip is

It talks about him getting his ass blasted by a car bomb

[sharp raptor]

The importance of art books goes without saying

[delicate shoal]

i need to get the WOTB collection so badddd

[hidden bobcat]

yet only sold in a bundle, which is too costly

quite a pity

[vestal light]

yeah 😔 void needa start selling seperate i aint buyin allat 💔

[hidden bobcat]

i would consider buying one if it's sold standalone 🥲

[latent moat]

I bought it
Why no new lore about mlo in the art book

[sharp raptor]

There aren’t any spiders either; perhaps Void doesn’t want to explain them just yet.

However, the Russian mafia does indeed have

[latent moat]

True

[sharp raptor]

It seems that USIA attaches great importance to this organisation

[sharp raptor]

The backstories of the Mafia and the cartels are both quite compelling; no wonder they’re able to control the vast majority of criminal activity in the city.

[latent moat]

Wasn't it also that the hand leader guy was ex USIA

Maybe I remember wrong

[sharp raptor]

Los Locos may well be an extremely dangerous organisation; otherwise, USIA wouldn’t be taking them so seriously. Their criminal network is so tightly organised that it has yet to be fully uncovered.

[latent moat]

The lore goes deeper and deeper

[sharp raptor]

There must be a reason why the Spider chose Los Locos to transport their goods. They have a strong presence in the United States, and Los Locos have legitimate businesses, such as car dealerships, to provide them with a cover.

[radiant sonnet]

He was yeah

[latent moat]

Damn

Deep

[median minnow]

Hello :3
Is this channel include lore discussion too?

[worn walrus]

Yes

[terse cloud]

Do we know if it was really SOLELY LNDC that shot up the pier or if there were real LSPD officers involved as well

[median minnow]

Wohh, cool. I had my own theories aswell. I'll put it here when I had newest one.

[median minnow]

LSPD only involved in protecting the Pier cleaning campaign woman.

The active shootout is purely from the gang, and MLO.

I remember that the phone guy in bank talk about them Abandoning them in the pier when the attack happens.

[wind geyser]

How far did this ARG get until it was scrapped?

[median minnow]

Further than you think.

[pastel vale]

I don’t think it was scrapped

[median minnow]

Wdym scrapped?

I don't think the lore got retconed since first released.

[sharp raptor]

Which faction do you think has the most sinister motives?

[pastel vale]

The spider for sure

They have deep pockets and even deeper connections

[sharp raptor]

That’s right, but they rely on Los Locos’ car dealership and the Glukhovskoye Mafia port for their cargo trafficking.

[novel gazelle]

Y'all notice the different documents that appear randomly in the HQ

Corruption related documents, people dimiting, the tunnels, a strange jade box, something about the listening room, chief Alvarez and his letter about leaving the force

And a pack of cigars with a chip related to the unity bank

Also the cordova building has some sketchy stuff behind it

[plain imp]

Correct, LNDC were used as cannon fodder for the Blackwood Pier attack.

[latent moat]

Yes
The tunnels is actually kind of creepy

[median minnow]

Spidey, these group are gone Global so its hard to track or arrested. They also had tie to Romanian Goverment if Im not mistaken? which mean these ppl are protected. FISA also seems to protected them.

Its red, its evil guys.

[median minnow]

What tunnel?

[latent moat]

There's a mentioning on one of the papers you find in the station

Probably used by mlo to come out of nowhere

[sharp raptor]

The Spiders pay Los Locos and the Glukhovskoye Mafia to take part in their human trafficking operations. In terms of their standing, they are likely on a par with the Green Dragon Society.

[median minnow]

Man this is deep level shi, I dont even know this dragon or mafia thingy

[sharp raptor]

Following the release of the dlc4 version, car dealership became a stronghold controlled by Los Locos, and Spanish is spoken there. Meanwhile, the Glukhovskoye Mafia are control the port.

The only member of the Spider is that weirdo in the container; his name is Merin

[median minnow]

Ohhhh the Russian, I see

Thanks for the Info friend

[sharp raptor]

Right, but the Spider and the Mafia aren’t part of the same organisation

At the same time, many of the theories on the wiki are actually outdated

[median minnow]

Hmm, so the mafia is just the transporter of any crime goods now?

[sharp raptor]

Yeah

[sharp raptor]

[wind geyser]

Basically yeah, they probably make a lot of money doing it

[wooden fox]

https://youtu.be/GGGy6MMHnMM?si=rc0NJP4bS_bARNfb

lore man finally made a video on boiling point

[median minnow]

What a perfect timing for my lunch hehe, who else eating while watching Videos?

[wooden fox]

i was just having a late night toast as well

[median minnow]

Anyway, is there new ARG coming in that foreshadowing upcoming DLC? is there fan-made archive for it? I dont likeARG kind of puzzles so....

[wooden fox]

3am but hey gotta keep up with missed lore

[median minnow]

Thats a hell yeah

[lament adder]

https://tenor.com/view/mog-mogged-snowman-gif-5368055129249858152

[lime inlet]

Him explaining the gas makes me feel something

like tf you mean the gas basically melts people from the inside out while making you go mad?

Judge surviving even a second int that shit proves Judge is secretly a umbrella agent

[wooden fox]

thats just the hq coffee

lore solved

also judge might just be used to it because its implied that predecessors of that chemical were used in the USIAs mind control programs (as far as I understood by shane's video)

he just built like that

[spare edge]

we just not gonna talk about the fucking seven towers and the washington monument being a conduit?

wtf i thought this lore went as deep as just the green dragon society doing green things

this is straight out of monument mythos

[sharp raptor]

I hope the next DLC is about Spider and Cartel. As far as I know, Spider is pretty eccentric too.……

[sharp raptor]

I don’t think the MLO can even be called the masterminds behind it all; their only motive was probably their opposition to the Green Dragon Society and the Spider Organisation.

They have no political power whatsoever; their only recourse is to do their utmost to stage a coup to overthrow the government, which lends them a certain anti-heroic quality.

[coarse oriole]

Idk why I just found this out, Whitfield somehow died during the Sins of the Father

[sharp raptor]

I feel that the RON universe is starting to resemble Deus Ex more and more, rather than 2077.

[wooden fox]

that part was so batshit crazy I didnt even understand what was going on

[spare edge]

no like seriously
wtf was that

[wooden fox]

might be due to my brain being tired since its 5am in 13 minutes

[wooden fox]

its all part of the usia documents in judges apartment as far as I understood so theres gotta be something behind it

[spare edge]

ancient aliens
its literally just ancient aliens

[sharp raptor]

I’m a bit curious: could the US government really be controlled by an organisation from China and Japan, and what connection do they have with the Spiders?

[wooden fox]

crazy how we went from "dont go into this basement" to the big white spike in washington dc is an alien energy harvesting conduit

[spare edge]

from "omg fisa wants to keep the cargo box!!!" to "yeah uhhh sacred geometry and shit and ursa major has magic"

[wooden fox]

i feel like the spider has some connection to fisa due to the hostile reaction of the comm guy when you report the container on hide and seek, that's been my thought since 1.0

thats like pretty much obvious

[sharp raptor]

Bolton Security, Mindjot, the Glukhovskoye Mafia and Los Locos all work for the Spider Organisation; I don’t think it’s as simple as that.

[wooden fox]

that green dragon stuff is way beyond me, i have no clue how theyre involved with the government and how that ties in with the usia knowledge of fuckin ancient energy sources

[wooden fox]

does mindjot really work for them or did they just have one of amos volls harddrives on their servers?

during the mindjot raid im pretty sure the briefing just says theyve been raided by guys in police outfits before so thats why theyre so hostile against us

[sharp raptor]

Mindjot operates a network that facilitates illegal transactions

[wooden fox]

that russian mafia is connected via the port? i dont think I even know them lol

[sharp raptor]

Mindjot is deliberately turning a blind eye; if you’ve read the briefing carefully, you’ll see that the commander specifically instructed SWAT to apply special markings.

And how are SWAT armoured vehicles camouflaged?

[wooden fox]

im pretty sure they arent why do You ask?

[worn walrus]

The Washington Momument was mentioned to possibly be an energy conduit in Judge’s apartment, though it’s unconfirmed in universe but… yeah, wild Monument Mythos influences.

[sharp raptor]

First of all, I don’t understand why anyone would think that Mindjot is innocent; I’ve never seen a suspect who could disguise themselves as a SWAT officer. At most, they might disguise themselves as a patrol officer.

[wooden fox]

i wouldnt think theyre innocent my thought was like they were paid by voll or something

but its also been a while since diving into the lore of ron

[sharp raptor]

The Russian mafia is only active in ports; car dealerships are now controlled by cartels.

[wooden fox]

didnt play since the console release and just got back into it with boiling point regoing through all the mlo hints connnecting to the dlc

[sharp raptor]

[wooden fox]

i wish we would get more than 3 maps per dlc because for one id like to know more about the spider post port but also the mlo stuff with BP

also is the upf still a thing or did they like give up after the oil rig

[sharp raptor]

Like the MLO, the Spider Organisation does not appear in the art book, but there is evidence to suggest that they existed as early as the 17th century

[wooden fox]

so theyre old like the green dragon society is but theyre not connected

at least I wouldnt see the connection

feel like the green dragon guys would be more busy with controlling governments and guarding their ancient knowledge or whatever tf theyre on about

[sharp raptor]

There is a curious oil painting among the artefacts at Amos Villa. It dates from the 17th century and is very old. It depicts a masked man and a group of children.

[sharp raptor]

The Green Dragon Society may be manipulating the MLO and the USIA to carry out terrorist attacks; I believe the MLO is merely an opposition group deliberately created by the Green Dragon Society, with the sole aim of enabling the government to impose a military dictatorship.

[lime inlet]

All roads lead to Green Dragon

[coarse oriole]

Also guys, where is this box in the UnityTrust Banc?

[wooden fox]

small safe you mean?

pretty sure it spawns on either the first or second floor and you need the dead security guys keycard

[coarse oriole]

Oh ok

[wooden fox]

with that you get the Code inside to unlock the laptop in the conference room

I honestly dont know exactly which collectible is needed to interact with what so i just get all of them before going into the vault

[lusty glacier]

Some of them are complacent, some of them are scared.
Brief also says that some people broke in with police uniforms and such a couple days before we go in, that’s why the security is ready to shoot. It’s likely that the security in the server room and the technicians working on the servers know though.

I mean it’s still pretty stupid to shoot at d-platoon because they are a lot better equipped than any thugs should be.

[coarse oriole]

I mean besides those fake cops making the private security very jumpy

[lusty glacier]

Yeah that’s my point, security on edge

[sharp raptor]

That’s right; if it were the Mafia or the cartels, I could understand. Mindjot clearly wants to be killed.

[lime inlet]

@sharp raptor I feel like Green Dragon is the head of the the body of an eldritch horror while USIA and MLO are basically opposing sides (for lack of a better terminology) MLO is red team, USIA is blue team like TF2.

USIA seeks to discover and build upon the small pieces of the eldritch horror (the dragon) while USIA seeks to control the power of the Dragon;

MLO wants to destroy the USIA and everyone between them and getting to the level of power as the Dragon. Like red team being demolition experts, the MLO aims to be the same in their power grabs.

The Spider is basically the one who acts as Grey team, they aren't fighting the same battles as the MLO and USIA, and serve as a kind of counter weight to the Dragon, as the Dragon works to alter world history, but the Spider could be influenced to be the ones who act on the dragons will without knowing it, as they kinda play the role of the top dogs in the black market (basically controlling the cartels and Russian mobs) leading to people like MLO being able to use the spider's market (while using the pmc to transport the bombs) to cause boiling points missions, because the Dragon set up the events to chain react in a way where each of these different things could happen in tandem to allow the US government to make a police state from USIA plans because the Dragon set them all up to allow a massive power grab wherever they gain a massive shadow government leading to the Dragon being the only true winner and MLO being the match and USIA being the gunpowder and LS is merely the barrel, with The Dragon acting as the man who strikes the match that causes everything to explode.

such a long rant

(Yes I wrote that for just Camera)

They're all being controlled by The Dragon some way since The Dragon is a long term power grab kinda organization, while The Spider is in things for money

[sharp raptor]

I don’t know what you’re talking about; Los Locos and the Glukhovskoye Mafia are external interest groups and third-party networks, as has already been confirmed by Judge. Secondly, the Spider Organisation dates back to the 17th century; its political influence is likely far greater than that of the MLO and USIA , and its power is almost certainly on a par with that of the Green Dragon Society.

[lime inlet]

Thats why I classed the spider as being the counter weight for the dragon

It seems like thats what their supposed to do

LS just seems to be where their both meeting at

[sharp raptor]

The Glukhovskoye Mafia and Los Locos are merely helping the Spiders transport goods for certain reasons; they do not themselves belong to the Spiders’ organisation.

[lime inlet]

I'd assume its money, or using the spider's connections for their own interests

[sharp raptor]

Is it possible that the Green Dragon and the Spider Organisation aren’t actually enemies at all? Why do you think there would be a rift between two elite organisations? Wouldn’t it be better for them to rule the government together?

[lime inlet]

That makes sense considering they both have control of different halfs the world and different types of control

They kinda work to cover each other's weak points

Honestly it would make sense if the Green Dragon is just the Asian version of The Spider

I'd only assume they'd be odds since they'd both want power

Its either gonna be friends or enemies

also what about Judge's wife @sharp raptor

I dunno if this is spoiler worthy but ||I feel like she didn't really leave on her own||

[somber ginkgo]

Shayne dropped a new video about RoN lore

[sharp raptor]

I don’t know if you’re familiar with Deus Ex, but to me, the world of Ron bears a strong resemblance to it.

[lime inlet]

everything leads to Deus Ex

[sharp raptor]

I hope that in the next DLC, we’ll see a fully upgraded version of Los Locos. Perhaps the Spider Organisation will kit them out with the most modern paramilitary gear to support their new operation.

[lime inlet]

Like the modern military like cartels?

[sharp raptor]

After what happened at the port, I don’t think they’ll show any mercy now.

[lime inlet]

"You exposed 1 of our 10000 million trafficking operations! That's it buddy!"

[somber ginkgo]

I hope we get more info about Green Dragon Society

[latent moat]

The green dragon society is probably the spider organization

[lime inlet]

mfw spider is literally just the main bad guy

[latent moat]

Lol

[sharp raptor]

I’m rather sceptical about this theory, as the Green Dragon Society is an organisation of Asian origin; I’m more inclined to believe that the Spider was born in the United States and Europe

[lime inlet]

Their each other's opposites basically?

Spider is the West and Dragon is the East

[latent moat]

That of course could also be
But remember that painting amos voll received?

As a thank you

[sharp raptor]

That oil painting is a product of European culture.

[latent moat]

Another thing I realized
Theres a theory the mlo created those scenarios for judge

[sharp raptor]

Furthermore, Amos may have been Romanian, which means this oil painting is undoubtedly of European origin.

[latent moat]

His wife is romanian

Romania is known in real life to have a huge problem with child abductions

Thats why his operation dates back to romania

[sharp raptor]

I get the impression that the Green Dragon is perhaps more interested in seizing power than the Spider ; they don’t seem particularly interested in paedophilia or human trafficking, preferring instead to achieve their aims through terrorist attacks.

Perhaps the majority of senior officials in federal departments support the Spider faction more

[vestal light]

so what do we know that the green dragon organization has done?

[vestal light]

i thought it was his wife that was romanian, and she was some sort of gift by the Spider

[latent moat]

Thats what i said

[slender kettle]

so is the ARG still active or?

[lime inlet]

Yes its active

Usually only get updates after each dlc

[wind geyser]

Did we get anything new from this one?

[lime inlet]

Green Dragon and MLO

Mostly it just opens the door for another ahem Deep State (metal gear reference)

[wind geyser]

So now my question is if the Green Dragons are gonna use whatever's left of black sentinel and MLO to be their foot soldiers

[lime inlet]

Probably not

Spider maybe

[wind geyser]

See my idea is that the Green Dragons and Spider are the same group

but I dont know if thats gonna hold up

[lime inlet]

Spider is like the illegal takeover and Green Dragon the legal takeover

[lime inlet]

Or their the mirror of each other

Spider is the NA and EU and Green Dragon is probability all of Asia

[wind geyser]

I mean knowing that the mayor, deputy mayor and governor were in on something

[lime inlet]

The Judge in ANA was probably onto the MLO (said Shane)

[wind geyser]

I actually can't wait to see if Wendigoon makes another RON video when he you know, gets good

[lime inlet]

"This is the craziest game lore I've ever seen, anyway magic spoon"

[wind geyser]

It'll more be like AG1 or Factor nowadays

[lime inlet]

Lmao

[wind geyser]

I mean now that some of his theories don't hold up he's gonna have to do it

[sharp raptor]

WTF Bro

[sharp raptor]

I’m a bit curious as to why the Wiki keeps saying that the car dealership is South American. Aren’t they ‘los locos’?

[lime inlet]

They are Los Locos yeah, but I'm assuming its says South America since Los Locos could be covering Mexico to South America but their primarily Mexican so, I don't know really

My head is hurting like hell so I'm not trying to figure out some way to explain away the wiki people

bothering to look it up, "Los Locos" is Mexican and its probably highly likely they have operations in at least Northern Regions of South America, but they ain't South American

[ebon summit]

Not sure how much merit the idea has, but I've always assumed the Spider was formed from the multitude of criminal organizations in play - each taking a leg. Whether they're tools/pawns, or more influential/ringleaders like the MLO, there's something at the center.

[ebon summit]

MLOs definitely more front and center for sure, it was only a matter of time until we got to fight them directly. Personally, I hope that they don't become a mainstay combatant to be honest. But, with LS literally gone to shit in the new missions, they're forcing their hand to catalyze some grand plan.

[lime inlet]

They came from somewhere 17th century Europe, they basically puppeteer the cartel and mob, so ahem spider's use blood based pistons to move, the spider's legs can be represented as the cartel and mafia while the body is the spider

[coarse oriole]

South American?

[sharp raptor]

I suspect the wiki author had no idea that members of Los Locos were included, so a few of us went ahead and edited it.

Now That’s much more detailed

[coarse oriole]

Btw, in the dealership mission can we still Mike Esperanza or he managed to escape before we arrived?

[sharp raptor]

VOID didn’t even put him on the map

[coarse oriole]

Weird, I still remember encountering him as a suspect

[lime inlet]

Always thought him and the guy who owed the cartel 2 pennies were the same dude

[latent moat]

Bruh

This guy is swear

[sharp raptor]

Judge was terrified of spiders

[latent moat]

WHAT

[lime inlet]

I love schizophrenic judge

[sharp raptor]

MLO are a bunch of weaklings,they’re nothing but puppets, and are likely insignificant in the face of the Green Dragon Society and the Spider.

[sharp raptor]

@gleaming sparrow

Judge is afraid of the Spider Organisation speaks volumes. Neither the Green Dragon Society nor the MLO strike fear into him.

[gleaming sparrow]

youre arguing for your argument of the spider having control, while going against the MLO having influence.
Using a piece of information that also guesses that the second cohort controls FISA.
do you see why i struggle to see your reasoning?

and i dont think thats an expression of fear either'

Judge simply knows more about the MLO because hes closer related to them, and theyre much more local to the US, whereas the spider is a global crime syndicate

the MLO tries to actively reach and recruit David while the spider is staying in the shadows

[sharp raptor]

I don’t know whether you actually read the information that followed carefully, but judge later personally ruled out any connection with MLO USIA. FISA’s motive is money

[sharp raptor]

By any measure, the Green Dragon Society and the Spider Organisation are far more powerful than the MLO. Whilst the MLO wields a certain degree of influence in the United States, it pales in comparison to these two long-established elite organisations, amounting to little more than a fleeting phenomenon. It is even possible that the very creation of the MLO was orchestrated by the Green Dragon Society.

Also Black Sentinel is merely using the MLO, rather than being a branch of it. Black Sentinel’s sole aim is to use the MLO as a means to oppose the Green Dragon Society or the Spider Organisation.

I don’t know what you think, but MLO are just a bunch of brainwashed terrorists. They’re convinced they can become new gods. But they couldn’t even manage to recruit Judge, which is why the Green Dragon Society was able to track him down.

[ebon summit]

Unless the GDS is mentioned in Judge's conspiracy apartment papers, there's a good chance they don't know about this organization yet.

[delicate shoal]

im pretty sure the man with green gloves (heavily speculated to be apart of the GDS if not confirmed) mentions the MLO

[ebon summit]

MLO, yes, not the Society

[delicate shoal]

ohhh wait mybad i misread what you said

[sharp raptor]

I think judge knows there are some scattered documents here

GDS

[ebon summit]

smoove

[pastel vale]

Yes and no. They are brainwashed terrorists, yes, but they dont think they are becoming new gods, they know they are pawns. They want judge to lead them to a new america, but the Green Gloves stops him from that. like he says "They will just use you as a vessel, but we offer you an opportunity."

[pastel vale]

its so weird that what is essentially the illuminati and the chaos insurgency clone dont strike fear into t-1000 but trafficking does?

does to show, its scarier to reveal something that doesnt want to be found than to search for the unknown

[sharp raptor]

I believe the spider are both hidden behind the scenes and a source of unknown fear for the judge.

[sharp raptor]

213 Hillside Rollers it must be some stupid gang. Don’t they know that the Glukhovskoye Mafia and Los Locos are allies?

[lime inlet]

Street level gang, Camera, these are 2 bit gangsters who couldn't figure out heads from tails in a coin with an hour of prep time

[pastel vale]

Real

[pastel vale]

Yeah

Smth must’ve happened, nothing tripped his breakers more than a trafficking ring

Maybe it’s just the fact he knows the government is in on it?

[severe egret]

I just realized there is a lot of interactable stuff outside the evidence locker in the station

like an unity trust ssd card in a pack of cigs

[median minnow]

Wait what?

Omg I found it

[severe egret]

yea that one

property of unity trust which means the MLO has been getting funded tho unity trust

[median minnow]

Or they just took everything inside quietly, idk.

[sharp raptor]

Mate, have you had a look at the Ron Wiki recently? They’ve added loads of new information.

[lime inlet]

Beautiful

[hoary fossil]

I have never seen somone explain the lore so well before, thank you

[plush tulip]

pretty good, but I think you forgot one. really important thing

towards the end of A New America, Right before he judged all over the place, he said "it's judging time"

That's essential to the lore

[lime inlet]

"Judgment" he says before judging all over the MLO

[plush tulip]

true....

[lime inlet]

Maybe Judge even says Crush, thy end is now?

[desert vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[latent moat]

Thats what I was saying

[pastel vale]

Judge walked into the court room and said “this is ready or not” before readying all over the vip target

“Maybe the ready or not were the friends we made along the way” then d-platoon gets freaky

[stone minnow]

shakespeare looking over gif.mpeg-4

[somber ginkgo]

Yo dudes, im from New America

Basically, the lore is clear

Our fella judge came in and arrested the flower guy

he didnt like him because he stole a pen from him sometime ago

and out of anger of seeing him, he pressed the detonator

Trust 💯

[distant patrol]

Judge recognized him from being in the usia and remembered all the times he stole his lunch from the fridge lol

[novel gazelle]

Hey there guys, this is not quite lore related and im going to be breaking the rules a little but i have to. Anyone knows where i can find these images in good quality? I can't take the screenshot in xbox because you can't take them if you in the achievements, but these images go way too hard and i need them

I did it here since you can't send images in the general chats or text in the screenshots one

[latent moat]

Where do you have them from??

[novel gazelle]

That's how the achievements of the game look on xbox

The base game ones have generic in came screenshots, but with his dlc they just decided to drop some hard symbolic stuff

[lime inlet]

@sharp raptor judge has low cortisol, unlike most people after ana

Peak Judge lore

[latent moat]

why pc left out there with nothin damn

[novel gazelle]

Y'all got literal R6 operator logos

I'll show you more of them, lemme start the Xbox real quick

I can put it as a wallpaper, if somehow I can take it and download the image, I'll be putting them here, but i don't know if that's possible

I was able to take a screenshot of them in the xbox app

Maybe someone on pc can do the same with better resolution or something

[latent moat]

what

[novel gazelle]

My profile is the same of my user, (wallnnister416) so be free to take screenshots

[novel gazelle]

The little images when you get them

[latent moat]

but that shit is way cooler

[novel gazelle]

Yeah, I got some of them in the screenshot and art

Feel free to download them

[wooden fox]

https://youtu.be/jlAASmPNgdU?si=jAPnIH3tMP7DB81f

new video by lore man

[latent moat]

Already watched

What happened to the old toc guy

[rapid edge]

wydm?

[remote linden]

https://youtu.be/GGGy6MMHnMM?si=uxH_92yW0qOqaHB0

This all started with a gas station robbery by the way

[lime inlet]

Butterfly Effect goes WILD

[somber ginkgo]

Seems like pics for achievements

[somber ginkgo]

He disappeared since dark waters I think

[novel gazelle]

Yeah, they are

[delicate shoal]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[novel gazelle]

I posted them in better quality already

[delicate shoal]

🤷‍♂️

i dont stalk channels so

[sharp raptor]

Why are there over a dozen photos of Los Locos, whilst other factions don’t even have five?😂

[sharp raptor]

Jesus, it looks like Ron Wiki has been taken over by the Cartel,there aren’t even as many MLO images as there used to be.

[pastel vale]

Old toc was just replaced

[plush tulip]

streamer, actually

[lime inlet]

hmm, stream chatter swating him, actually

[plush tulip]

true

some chatter on some random guys stream leading to the downfall of a domestic terrorist organization and the activation of sleeper agents

[lime inlet]

This all started because of an egangster ✌️

[somber ginkgo]

@sharp raptor i added some of images for MLO on wiki

[pastel vale]

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-tongue-gif-18357263336141773644

[sharp raptor]

I don’t know what’s been going on with the Ron Wiki recently, but it’s gone from being a dead site to a constantly updated hub.

[novel gazelle]

The people is having a field day with all the stuff from the dlc

Lovely

[somber ginkgo]

I think I need to add images to No Good Deed, there 0 suspects images

On wiki

[latent moat]

Because you keep updating

[sharp raptor]

Others are posting updates too, bro

[latent moat]

Bro
Split personality doesn't count

[sharp raptor]

I only edited the pages about the Mafia and the Cartel. The rest were updated by other users.

[latent moat]

Maybe it was me

Im like your tyler durden

[sharp raptor]

[plush tulip]

FISA guy on H&S is in red subtitles. Is that new?

[coarse oriole]

I think it was already like that before?

[plush tulip]

oh ok
:)

[topaz geyser]

Has been for some time, yes

[sharp raptor]

FISA has been bribed by los locos and the Glukovovskie Mafia

[coarse oriole]

I thought FISA wanted to use the women in the container to catch more people or smth?

[somber ginkgo]

Tbh Glukovovskie is weird name

Doesn’t even make sense in Russian language

It would only make sense if there is Glukovovsk city in ron Universe

[lime inlet]

@somber ginkgo @sharp raptor my teammate just brought up Los Locos on Twisted Nerve

the ptsd ain't gone yet and bro wants to me remember

[fallen kayak]

peak

[sharp raptor]

Car dealerships are much better equipped. That drug-manufacturing gang was merely funded by them.

😂

[sharp raptor]

Los Locos make an outrageous number of appearances; as well as turning up at the car dealership, there’s also one of their members at the port. They appear a total of seven times.

[raven vale]

“And it is contents”

[vale vale]

Is this like talking about ron lore

[somber ginkgo]

It’s mostly about ARG, but lately people talk about lore there

[vale vale]

Ok

So basically the green dragon society

Do they control the MLO and USIA? Or are they all just like battling each other to get judge

[somber ginkgo]

We don’t really know much about green dragon society

[vale vale]

We can tell though that they are basically the Illuminati

And that the USIA are into mythology and the MLO

with the whole earths energy thing

And the Washington monument being one of those conduits

Like it’s a battle on who can control society I think?

And the starting point is Los suenos

7 towers

And the Ursa Major alignment

[somber ginkgo]

I remember that Shayne made whole video about new lore

Might wanna check it out

[lime inlet]

Ain't that the Russian port?

where the Mexican cartel at

[heady abyss]

They're a 3rd party

[vale vale]

yeah i got that

[heady abyss]

Separate from USIA and MLO

[vale vale]

but their higher than the governments

[heady abyss]

They dropped the cordium nukes on prospero

[heady abyss]

Possible, but we have next to no information on their goals and power, but we do know that they also want to get their hands on Judge much like every other faction

[sharp raptor]

Meanwhile, the Spider Organisation has gone into hiding, hoping to become the real mastermind behind the scenes.

[sharp raptor]

I’m sure this bloke is a member of the cartel

[median minnow]

Who tf is this guy? he sounded like thugs

[shrewd yarrow]

Maybe a suspect from the spider level

[sharp raptor]

The 'New America' level is clearly a case of reused assets. The car dealership and the port, however, are entirely new Cartel models.

[pastel vale]

Can we get a ready or not movie

😁

[sharp raptor]

Most of the scenes in that first film will feature Mexicans, as they appear in no fewer than seven levels

😩

MLO appears in the second film

[sharp raptor]

[coarse oriole]

And for some reason some Black Sentinel mercs are in ANA

[somber ginkgo]

Well, because they are tied to MLO

They work together

[coarse oriole]

I thought MLO use LNDC and Black Sentinel as proxies

[novel gazelle]

They did in the first two missions of the dlc

[craggy wing]

At this point Black Sentinel has to just be a front for the MLO

Admittedly tho Black Sentinel is supposed to have British members which puts a hole in that theory to a degree

[frozen trench]

LNDC were expandable by the MLO, Black Sentinel was not because they were highly trained and seen as potential recruits. That's according to the docs in from Sydney and Judge afaik.

[pastel vale]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-ready-or-not-gif-3860901273241928956

[flat heath]

If he runs we can legally shoot him without getting in trouble

[frozen trench]

Just a rioter. There is a small chance of them spawning in tower. This character model is listed on the rioter category in the tower aidatatable

[somber isle]

Gentlemen, I have a quick question for you code breakers. Do you all know what the jumbled letters on the back of the evidence in The Spider are supposed to mean?

[vital path]

according to the wiki it says
Dictators disguised under authority observe everything. Hidden to control. Everyone is being observed. Hidden truths revealed. They exist.

[hidden bobcat]

they are within the same squads with BSGs somehow if u check the umap

[modern raft]

Not exactly. Mexicans arent featured "no fewer then 7 levels". They are mainly black, mixed or white individuals. The only missions that feature Mexican people is Rust Belt, Greased Palms, Ends of the Earth, Narcos and Hunger Strike. Most of the missions i listed have Mexican Individuals, however more missions have a variety of hertiages, but please dont be mad at me for making this, i just wanted to correct you

[lime inlet]

@sharp raptor @somber ginkgo this guy on Hide and Seek is Mexican?

He did say something in Mexican and he's armed

is he the cartel link for this mission?

[sharp raptor]

That is clearly not the truth; there are Mexicans working in car dealerships and at ports as well.

[modern raft]

thank you for clearing that up.

[sharp raptor]

Their tattoos and the tops they’re wearing reveal this fact

[sharp raptor]

This bloke works at a car dealership. So he’s definitely one of Los Locos.

[sharp raptor]

I’m pretty sure that after the DLC 3 update, the Spanish dialogue in the car dealership replaced the Russian.

[modern raft]

I wouldnt Blame them for changing it. The leading group attacking the Port were russian suspects. So i think it would make sense changing it because they look like the exact same as the guys in Port Hokan.

[lime inlet]

@sharp raptor did FISA know about the MLO or something?

Does FISA know

I feel like USIA wouldn't let FISA know

I struggled to read it but it mentions on the file that the LSPD/FISA knew it was a dud

It also says something about secret rooms

with cult like attributes

something something MLO trying to use the yellow king cliche

[lime inlet]

@somber ginkgo do you know

[somber ginkgo]

Well, idk

They might started investigating maybe

[lime inlet]

real

[somber ginkgo]

Waiting for Shayne to breakdown on every single evidence in next video

[lime inlet]

fr

Apparently nobody seen this one before

Theres no posts about it

And I only found it cause I was going to see my goat Prescott

(He's talking to the quarter master in the basement)

[frozen trench]

oh yeah there are two suspect types, the concealed gear with BSG voices and gear, and one of the very rare rioters also wears this but has this but the one with the hoodie is on the "grunt" category which includes suspects meshes from gas, lawbaker and agency. But since the BSG uses gear from agency too it is very confusing (and why I ended up with geared black sentinel only on my suspect rework).

[hidden bobcat]

i just pretend they're some kind of rioters sneaking into the building 🤣

and have nothing to do with BSG or MLO

but yeah the grunt type suspects share the same squad name with BSGs i don't even know whether it's intended

[sharp raptor]

The way this bloke walks makes him look like a big shot😂

[lime inlet]

Dude got places to be

😭

[frozen trench]

I think it is as it's still tactical gear, but just concealed.

[sharp raptor]

VOID is actually quite lazy,for instance, the Mexican-style tops at the car dealership are identical to the styles worn by the Rust Belt suspects, and there’s also some model reuse

[frozen trench]

Trust me I know, I literally have an entire mod series I rework suspects for that reason.

[lime inlet]

All the cartel shops at one clothing store

[pastel vale]

N…no

No it doesn’t

[lime inlet]

trembling in fear

[pastel mortar]

what is this channel about again

[plain imp]

Used to be the arg channel, now serves as the place to discuss game's lore.

[sharp raptor]

I reckon the story of the MLO and the USIA is well and truly over. From now on, it’s the Green Dragon Society and the Spider Organisation’s world.

[kindred wigeon]

the green dragon fuckin what

[vestal light]

what if both endings are canon? like, jail ending happens before RoN, a prologue. and home ending is after BP

[kindred wigeon]

the dialogue in the final level implies the jail ending is canon

''a man in a green suit will come to you with an offer, do not accept it'' something like that

[lime inlet]

I'm accepting it

[kindred wigeon]

me too bud

[lime inlet]

I always trust the evil looking man in a suit!

[kindred wigeon]

you can see mr. green suit man in both endings too

hes outside of judge's apartment

[vestal light]

yarp

[kindred wigeon]

prison ending has alot more depth to it though

apartment just gives us some backstory

[vestal light]

it says to me that green suit guy is keeping tabs on judge after the deal

[lime inlet]

yarp yap larp!?

[somber ginkgo]

Yk, bad ending of ANA reminds me of Fight Club ending

[jagged urchin]

what ending

[somber ginkgo]

When you detonate the bombs on A New America

[vale vale]

Ngl judge’s character fits the song the man who sold the world

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-venom-snake-gif-5631901306578330322

[icy tulip]

a thing of perspective i guess

[vale vale]

Also the spider group

FISA controls them or helps them right?

To help destabilize los suenos

[lime inlet]

The man who judged the world

[kindred wigeon]

we only see the offer itself in the jail ending

[frozen trench]

But RoN has always been clear that if there is an objective, that is the canon thing to do.

Also that implies he might do the offer at another time

It's all speculation though we will only know when they continue the story. But it's a safe assumption on the objective thing because that has been the track record for the RoN story

[sharp raptor]

New DLC – perhaps the protagonist won’t be Judge anymore

[lime inlet]

It'll be Jurry

[icy tulip]

it seems clear enough to me that the green dragon society is meant to be the puppeteering party out of reach in the way the MLO was up until just now

the direct references to them are obscure but are undeniably connected to green gloves in my mind, it's also clear to me that if 'green gloves' isn't the product of 'satanic orbital fluid' hallucinations thanks to the USIA, he's the manifestation of the GDS's hand in LS tasked with monitoring the USIA's domestic activities regarding the cohorts of the brainwashing program, the MLO, etc., which also means green gloves is likely a foreign intelligence official if he's anything in the way of state actors at all

additional note, if we're accepting what most people have concluded about him, and from the asian appearance of his model and that he is indeed GDS, i'd figure he's either asian-american and somehow extremely well embedded in the U.S. national security apparatus or is chinese MSS (or whatever RoN would call it since they rename seemingly every real world agency) and has deeply infiltrated LS

[novel gazelle]

Has anyone read the document inside the secret room in the mayor's office? Since the quality is shit on xbox i can't do it and maybe its related to the Cordova building history, I could be even related to the corruption, if I can see it with some degree of clarity with the mirror gun, maybe someone on pc with good graphics will be able to read it

[frozen trench]

I think i did but yeah the resolution sucks. A big point of it is how the city hall is privately owned by the Cordova family still and this family is old money that was in LS since it founded. They went offshore in the 90s I think but this is proof they still meddle with the city. They did a lot of bad things like manipulating the real estate market to enrich themselves.

[somber ginkgo]

Actually, gotta check that

You guys have replays on consoles?

[novel gazelle]

Negative

[somber ginkgo]

sad

[lime inlet]

Something something, I feel like Judge being in prison is a weird path for the storyline unless Judge becomes a hit man for the green dragon

[lime sinew]

Noticed something in the Martincinopants RON video. Is that an MLO patch?

[frozen trench]

Void sells patches but right now I think that patch is exclusive to the weight of the badge collection.

[drowsy rivet]

It is and holy shit you're right I just noticed also

Sleeper officers?

[frozen trench]

fr it's just merch

https://eu.merch.voidinteractive.net/products/the-weight-of-the-badge-collection

[lime inlet]

My wallet is feeling the weight of the purchase

[frozen trench]

I really want it for the art book but for that price it is a bit too much and rather have something else.

[wooden fox]

frogman is a sleeper agent

[vague hound]

same i got it a few weeks ago

[lime inlet]

We love deep state governments

[lime inlet]

Most Active and Inactive Channel

[topaz geyser]

Thank the bots

[lime inlet]

Truly protecting us from scams one attachment purge at a time

[lusty glacier]

If only he did nothing bruh

[lime inlet]

All of RoN dependant on his chat

[sacred kite]

CASE FILE: 42-13-AC (EXCERPT)
​Jurisdiction: Los Sueños County Court
Filed: October 12, 1993
Subject: Cordova Holdings & Maritime Assets Group Successor Entities
Status: SEALED — High Reputational Risk
​Summary Allegations
Alleged violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organisations Act (RICO), 18 U.S.C. § 1961. Fraudulent conveyances and laundering traced through Cordova Holdings & Maritime Assets Group {REDACTED}. Redevelopment contracts (post-1992) show continuity of shell entities into municipal portfolios.
​Entities Named
Cordova Holdings & Maritime Assets Group (dissolved 1992).
[REDACTED] Revocable Interests Ltd. (Cayman Islands) - beneficiary undisclosed.
Mayor Vicente Echeverría — signatory on redevelopment transfers, 1992-present.
Deputy Mayor Leon Serrano — advisory memoranda on Cordova-linked portfolios, 2005-present.
Whitfield Civic Strategies PAC — donor alignment noted; review suspended.
​Findings (Excerpts)
...and redevelopment subsidies routed through dormant...
...exceeding statutory...
...transfers...

I think that's how it's said or something.

[main patrol]

What is this channel for??

[lime inlet]

MLO arg

[main patrol]

Wut

[lime inlet]

MK ultra victims go bonkers and blow up stuff then go on to become terrorists, domestic terrorists, and form the faction that does all the stuff in boiling point

[ebon summit]

figured since kaminsky blew up, they made the dlc the arg's natural progression

[shy harness]

Oh my God the frogman is Judge's MLO handler, the VIP from the end of a new america

[dreamy lintel]

What’s he a Judge of?

[left wyvern]

where does this arg go without kaminsky

[blissful pine]

This makes the most sense to me.
I think the MLO is destroyed now, or at least decimated.

[daring axle]

There might still be some members left, just in hiding likely

[blissful pine]

That's what I mean by decimated. There's probably a shell of the MLO left. We'll see if they come back reformed wanting revenge lol.

[daring axle]

Oh I thought that meant like completely gone

I think they'll probably be in small groups working with some of the other factions in the game

[sharp raptor]

MLO have pretty much exhausted their pool of partner alliances,I reckon they’ve run out of options.

[daring axle]

That is a possibility, but there's still plenty of people that'd work for the MLO whether for money or for the love of the game

[severe egret]

MLOs probably not gone they still I am pretty sure are just beginning

just the start of their "plan"

[sharp raptor]

MLO is essentially one of the worst factions around at the moment. The Spiders and Green Dragons can carry out their operations without even needing to show up in person, whilst MLO treats BSG, UPF and Los Navegantes as cannon fodder. Their partner organisations are basically finished.

What’s more, the MLO are more like a bunch of hotheads, to the extent that they ended up turning up in person at the town hall

[severe egret]

I mean the MLO have been also doing operations without showing up in person and they only showed up to the town hall viewing the city as a First step into starting a nation wide revolution soo I am pretty sure the MLO aren't done yet and their partners were always pawns for him.

thus thats why they were in the town hall

start the broader nation wide revolution and the city being a domino

and ofc David........

also considering there is the SECOND cohort

who are much more embedded deep into society and are the front runners for this revolution whether it will succeed or not

[sharp raptor]

The MLO’s influence over society pales in comparison to that of the Green Dragon and the Spider. The Green Dragon maintains intricate ties with dictators around the world and the US government. Furthermore, like the Spider, the Green Dragon is an organisation that has existed for centuries; in the Green Dragon’s eyes, the MLO and the USIA are nothing more than child’s play.

[sharp raptor]

MLO’s terrorist attack on the Town Hall was merely an attempt to conceal the fact that they hold no political power. I don’t believe they have much influence at the highest levels; quite the opposite, in fact. The Green Dragon controls the USIA, and the Spider controls FISA. MLO has virtually no resources.

[sharp raptor]

David was taken away by the Green Dragon Society. for MLO, they didn’t even manage to persuade the judge to work for them.

[severe egret]

wait but isn't that the bad ending?

the canon ending is where David isn't taken away but the green dragon society does keeps and eye on him and SURE the the MLO is weaker then the GREEN dragon society but still I mean the MLO are still not dead and they are alive and I am pretty sure the reason for the City hall takeover was to send a message to the wider public

thus the first steps into starting the "Revolution" and the second cohort being the front runners

also the MLO's goal wasnt to persude Judge into working for them but to test him

and see if he really is the perfect soldier and thus he did prove it

so yea I am also pretty sure the MLO didn't lose their influence cuz sure we took em down in the city hall

the more DEEPER lore suggest they STILL hold significant influence and have the resources to well ofc manage the revolution that they have started with the city hall

with 0 public confidence in order and the government due to the city hall attack

really it wasn't a desperate last ditch but more of PART of their long run plan to break the public psychologically and the fact MLO also still have sleeper agents and moles in every part of Federal, state and local government

but again most of our points are still THEORIES and who knows what will happen next, so yea we'll just have to wait and see what will be confirmed and what won't be.

I think the most likely canon path is D-Platoon successfully retaking City Hall, with David finally starting to piece the puzzle together. The MLO's goal was to shock him into waking up, while the USIA and Green Dragon try to keep him under control. With David now caught in the middle of a massive tug-of-war, we'll just have to wait and see what happens next in the story and what will come out as true.

[sharp raptor]

In the happy ending, a member of the Green Dragon Society also appears outside Judge house. You can see him from the window. It is inevitable that Judge will be taken away.

[sharp raptor]

Expecting the MLO to take on the Green Dragons with the meagre resources you’ve mentioned is nothing short of a pipe dream. The MLO’s infiltration is largely confined to rank-and-file members rather than senior figures.

[sharp raptor]

It is clear from the plot that the MLO has very limited infiltration capabilities within FISA and USIA，whilst the USIA may be overly wary of MLO, FISA is entirely under the control of the Spider, and MLO has not even had the opportunity to infiltrate FISA.

[severe egret]

I mean it does seems like the man in green gloves is more like watching David rather then ploting to soon enough kidnap him

[severe egret]

I mean by MLO that it has the resources to commit to its wider revolution that it wants to do and create its own version of a NEW AMERICA not take on the Green Dragon but its clear it has the resources enough to ofc do its revolution thing.

BUT again all these are theories who knows what will happen now with the next DLC

MLO could defeat the Green Dragon or the USIA defeats it or the Green Dragon emerges as the only power and wins the decades or years long shadow war.

and what will David do now...........

you could say its A GAME TH-

[sharp raptor]

I don’t think you’ve quite grasped it: the Green Dragon Society would try to abduct Judge outright, simply because they have the power to do so. Moreover, Judge’s mental state deteriorates progressively in the happy ending.

It’s only a matter of time. As the Green Dragons will want to secure the position of judge, they will eventually fulfil their duties.

[severe egret]

hm you could be right ngl its possible the Green Dragon Society will just kidnap David but probably only when he fully proves he is perfect for them, but well..... we'll just have to wait and see...... WILL the green dragon society do it or not and what will David do now and what truly will happen to him............. cuz again.... these are all theories for now and we're gonna have to wait if they are confirmed or not.

in the NEXT CHAPTER of the Void.........

[scenic void]

usia is still not done for, i think mlo will expose usia in their experiments and our next dlc is combined operation against MLO and corrupt USIA agents

[sharp raptor]

I think USIA and MLO are at loggerheads,they believe the MLO is completely out of control. That’s why Green Dragon described their struggle as foolish.

[scenic void]

idrk what the hell is green dragon

[sharp raptor]

The Green Dragon is an elite organisation of the powerful that has existed for centuries. It is similar to the Freemasons. They have significant ties to dictators around the world and the US government. MLO and USIA are of little consequence to them.

The Spider much like the Green Dragon Society, is an elite organisation that has existed for centuries,a curious oil painting suggests that it was already in existence as early as the 17th century. The difference may be that the Green Dragon originated in Asia, whilst the Spider originated in Europe.

[sharp raptor]

The next DLC might be about the Spider and Cartel, as evidence from the police station suggests that the underground cave isn’t quite what it seems.

[scenic void]

would be cool if we captured their high ranking people in US, also i think MLO is not done yet, it should be way more than just 18-20 operatives attacking cordova

i dont think we can really change smth globally tbh, would be cool if we saw global interpol operation on these both, and a big dlc about capturing them inside los suenos (or maybe somewhere in the woods like lethal obsession)

[sharp raptor]

The MLO is a small organisation with no more than a hundred members. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be seeking partners. It’s virtually impossible to apprehend the top brass of the Cartel and the Spider, Los Locos boss is in Mexico, whilst the Spider has deep ties to the government.

[scenic void]

so what the next dlc is about? taking out small supplies of weapons or drugs? we already saw that, void interactive had set the bar high

[sharp raptor]

Perhaps the story will follow the plot of the original ending, or even feature a different protagonist. Both are possible.

[scenic void]

i would like to see black sentinel, remains of the hand and cartels tbh

black sentinel is such a potential having good lore, but showing up for 1 mission, thats a crime!

[sharp raptor]

What

[scenic void]

tbh the boiling point has ended on an empty point, yeah we got the cordova tower back, but whats next? no aftermath

[sharp raptor]

BSG appears in the ruins, the bank and the town hall

[scenic void]

the town hall?

what is it

also what the hell are robbers and bolton security doing in ana? like tf they forgot there

[sharp raptor]

Black Sentinels are a partner organisation of the MLO,they provide support to MLO at the Town Hall.

[scenic void]

we dont see them in mission