🪹the-sepulchre-arg

[forest shadow]

did anyone do that chemical structure

[supple pulsar]

We didn't get down to what it was exactly

We know it's 4L1 with something else added to it

[snow perch]

that number has been slowly ticking up

new update soon? 👀

[shrewd yarrow]

Thats the theory

Then again Ali has been doing that since... awhile

[left bough]

what if that number goes down?

[shrewd yarrow]

Dun dun dunnn

Something broke during qa and needs fixing? shrug

[rigid sphinx]

[shrewd yarrow]

Confirmed by Kaminsky!

[autumn geyser]

Timer's gonna end on the 10th of December

That's my estimate

What's on the 10th of December? Fuck if I know

Something, probably

[shrewd yarrow]

No idea, i was going to predict the same date as 1.0 release

[autumn geyser]

From the course I can see so far it's 1%/day

So it wouldn't match

[shrewd yarrow]

True, maybe the 9th

[autumn geyser]

Yeah some time around then

[snow perch]

imagine it just resets

back to 0%

[autumn geyser]

lmao

They lost the dlc update files

[snow perch]

the intern deleted the entire game

[rigid sphinx]

Why 10th?

[autumn geyser]

Right now it's at 70, and seems to tick up 1% every day

This means roughly give or take 30 days until we get to 100%

(100-70=30)

10th of december is in 30 days

[rigid sphinx]

[autumn geyser]

Oh god he's gonna drop arg lore on the 10th isn't he

That's when lilies comes back

We're gonna get Kryptos K4 as an image

[shrewd yarrow]

Lmao

I wouldnt be suspriswd by this

[snow perch]

I didn’t think you’d be actually right when you said the next lily hint will be proportional to the time that it took us to complete it

Come on Linas, why couldn’t you just say “the lily hint will be in three days.”

[autumn geyser]

lmao

[sacred dawn]

The number is actually them uploading the new DLC (they have slow internet)

[autumn geyser]

lmao

That's gotta be some slow internet though

That or western gamedev sizes

[wind mauve]

not sure if related but ive seen one of the paintings in memoriam is blacked out

i feel these is some hint in this room due to it

[real sparrow]

In the end it is right under the bench

[sacred dawn]

Wings = butterfly

linkin park collab confirmed

[snow perch]

Why does linkin park keep coming up in this ARG?

are we being told directly that solving this ARG wont even matter in the end

[shrewd yarrow]

I kept everything inside, even tho i tried it all fell apart. What it ment to me will eventually be a memory

[sacred dawn]

After Port when judge opened the containers I think he's one step closer to the edge. He's about to break.

Break the cycle

[boreal kite]

as we come closer to the end of the first act

zij czijgpm ltvsk nd hg 20201121232025516
qfgf evw wtgyklqww ditcpql hq جاسم بن محمد آل ثاني
ec lap kskcwgkd hzte ikx lzlkfwkf lg sg plunds xhc jahwsfvp
452315 131543153335341555 hoamd hg up ctlpfnxo
db zmh wottaf fg 44343553

the leviathan stirs

[autumn geyser]

Still not the end

Oh here comes the Arabic and MORE MATH

[shrewd yarrow]

oh no!

arabic translation according to google: Jassim bin Mohammed Al Thani

afaik i know there's no key, so it's not vige

[autumn geyser]

Jassim was the emir of qater

And sorta founded the country

[shrewd yarrow]

ok

intersting

the scrambled last two letters turned into in

trifid into caesar yieled no results

[autumn geyser]

Starting to think the numbers themselves are ciphered too

So dual layer

[shrewd yarrow]

that's my thought

[autumn geyser]

Cause the last set is just not logical, way too much repetition of the same thing

[shrewd yarrow]

i will try the numbers the same way as last time

ok numbers just yeiled 11111111

so it's not that

[autumn geyser]

I doubt we can solve this without more hints

[shrewd yarrow]

doubt it, but never hurts to try

tho it's nice to see Lily again!

[shrewd yarrow]

thoughts on where to put Lily's latest msg?

ah i see it now

Lostcon 3

lostcon 4

[real sparrow]

I woke up with a thought of leviathan, open discord.. oh boy.

[shrewd yarrow]

susprise!

lostcon 5

[snow perch]

Oh my goodness gracious

I’ll take a look at it when I can

So a little combination of everything, probably layered.

[shrewd yarrow]

possible

i tried a bunch of combinations

[real sparrow]

I tried silly stuff like mirroring the lines of text and out of curiosity conversion to arabic
GOTTA DIG DIG DIG DIG

[shrewd yarrow]

lmao

[eternal kindle]

holy shiiiaat wee got new content

lostcon 9000

i feel like the key is "the leviathan stirs"

for whatever cipher tho

[snow perch]

My guess is that the numbers and letters are separate ciphers with separate key; judging by the fact that is seemingly all stuff we’ve worked with before, we most likely have to utilize strategies and information we’ve already learned

[autumn geyser]

My prediction for cipher sections

[snow perch]

Exactly

But now we can try new ciphers because it wasn’t strictly stated that it’s the same shit we’ve worked with 😀

[real sparrow]

let's just not do what we did last time lmao

#🪹the-sepulchre-arg message

wise man once said

[shrewd yarrow]

@autumn geyser what's orange and what's yellow?

[autumn geyser]

Fuck if I know

It's just the sections

[shrewd yarrow]

lol

fair enough

[snow perch]

Doesn’t ROT18 do both numbers and letters

[shrewd yarrow]

no idea

only thing i have done so far is translate the arabic

[snow perch]

I remember the last time we got a specific name it gave us a hint on what to do (use numbers instead of letters for the key), I’ll read up on this guy and see if he has anything

[shrewd yarrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassim_bin_Mohammed_Al_Thani

for a quick link if you need it

from what i am seeing, how does one person have 56 children

[snow perch]

Bros a freak 💯

[shrewd yarrow]

[autumn geyser]

Don't question it

[real sparrow]

child maxxer

[shrewd yarrow]

true

[autumn geyser]

This is late 19th early 20th century stuff

[shrewd yarrow]

lmao

very true

[snow perch]

“Child maxxing,” is crazy 😭😭

[real sparrow]

almost fits the RoN theme

[supple pulsar]

Uhoh

[supple pulsar]

What happened

I'm out on a trip

Do we have new cypher

[autumn geyser]

oh god no

[shrewd yarrow]

.

there ya go @supple pulsar

[supple pulsar]

Thank you

[shrewd yarrow]

np!

[supple pulsar]

Do this

[shrewd yarrow]

because i am a goof ball, and abit scizo

[supple pulsar]

Go to cypher identifier on boxentriq

And paste the string before the numbers

Screenshot what you get

Then do the same but with the number string

[shrewd yarrow]

nothing, i am just.... being silly

[supple pulsar]

It's not accurate but it can give us a rough idea

[shrewd yarrow]

lol

[supple pulsar]

Specially for the numbers I think

Mind trying it for me?

[shrewd yarrow]

yeah i am on it

[supple pulsar]

I'm on a bus to London and my Internet is crap out here

[autumn geyser]

Prob beaufort if you ask me

[supple pulsar]

You can also bruteforce keys on boxentriq

Just make sure you select "existing spaces" or whatever it's called for the spacing options

[shrewd yarrow]

that was my theory

[supple pulsar]

I think it's Beau too

[shrewd yarrow]

beau just needs some sort of key

[supple pulsar]

Try bruteforcing beau from 4 to 7 character keys

On boxentriq

Put it on keep spaces

[shrewd yarrow]

i will brb i am gonna make some food rq for brain function

[supple pulsar]

Fuckin hell I am not home till the 25th or so 😭

[supple pulsar]

Copy

When I'm at the hotel I'll check it out on my phone

[shrewd yarrow]

ok

[supple pulsar]

Monoalphabetic yields interesting results

[autumn geyser]

Not really

None of those numbers make any sense short of being random

[supple pulsar]

The numbers on the image I sent?

[autumn geyser]

And with English having so many words in the dictionary it is a 100% certainty that you'll find some key that produces one or two words

[supple pulsar]

Yeah, but it's interesting that there are fully worded sentences. Though it is probably a coincidence

[autumn geyser]

The only solution will produce either more gibberish that is another cipher or produce a fully deciphered sentence

Anything short of that, or anything inbetween, should be disregarded as not the solution

Not unless it produces words that make sense to the arg context, at which point we might consider redrawing the boundaries

And not unless the key is also reasonable in some capacity and can be reasonably acquired within the context of the arg

[supple pulsar]

I got it

Bruteforced it

Key is vigenere "LOST"

"Our journey takes us to"

That was the first string

[autumn geyser]

Reclassified one part

Numbers remain unknown

[supple pulsar]

That blue line is also nothing?

[autumn geyser]

Returned gibberish

[supple pulsar]

Try trifid cesar on it

[autumn geyser]

Thus different type or more complicated

[shrewd yarrow]

got it in beaut

in the season of

[supple pulsar]

Lovely

What key?

Lost?

[shrewd yarrow]

same key

[autumn geyser]

Alright time for MORE FUCKING NUMBERS

What was it last time

[supple pulsar]

Good catch Linch

[autumn geyser]

beaufort 1234567890 with key something

Wait no that requires us to know some number beforehand

[shrewd yarrow]

mmhm

[supple pulsar]

Looks like octal

20201121232025516

[shrewd yarrow]

i used the 09152027 as a key: 90062017970616875 returns this

[autumn geyser]

Too many zeros

Unless we do a1a27

[shrewd yarrow]

82432781401887127 removed the 0s

so 91527

[autumn geyser]

But then it becomes 900 so

I meant too many zeros in the deciphered

[supple pulsar]

Also

[shrewd yarrow]

ah!

[supple pulsar]

Is it me or it looks like a date?

[autumn geyser]

Thought so too but unlikely at best

[shrewd yarrow]

too long to be a date

[supple pulsar]

2020/11/21 23:20:25 516

[autumn geyser]

2020 11 21 has no meaning in the current ARG context

[supple pulsar]

Argh

[autumn geyser]

We're in roughly late 2026

[shrewd yarrow]

^

[supple pulsar]

Something related to Jassim?

[autumn geyser]

Dude lived in the 19TH CENTURY

That'd be a long ass heritage to have

Keep in mind we can't be stretching shit anymore, the previous one was super simple and we looked way too hard at things that didn't matter even after basically being handed the answers

This is still the tutorial too, so nothing too hard

[supple pulsar]

Guys I have a plan.

[shrewd yarrow]

soooo i took the first string of numbers and used gywnn and got: oojdholxpm translated that into vige with lost key and got

darkwateey

[autumn geyser]

I'm willing to bet it'll be once again the same system as before (some kind of cipher like beaufort or vigenere + gwynn / a1z)

[supple pulsar]

Hmm

Try vig?

[shrewd yarrow]

i did

[supple pulsar]

I menat

Meant beau

LMAO

[autumn geyser]

222 33 2 7777 33

[shrewd yarrow]

gibberish

for beau

[supple pulsar]

Dark waters?

What does the key have to be

[autumn geyser]

Bit of a stretch

[supple pulsar]

For it to be dark waters?

That's how I bruteforced lost earlier

[shrewd yarrow]

wait

[supple pulsar]

What does the key have to be for it to be a word. "Los" made the first word "our" and I first thought "LosSuenos" , then "Lost" worked.

[shrewd yarrow]

let's not over think

[autumn geyser]

^

As I said before

[supple pulsar]

Wait. Question

How did you gwynn it?

[shrewd yarrow]

both as indiviual numbers and combined numbers

[supple pulsar]

Ah

[autumn geyser]

The ONLY solution has to be:

• Reasonably found within the context of the message and the arg as a whole
• Either a full, completely clear and understandable message, without words that don't belong or otherwise (Exceptions can be made if we feel that the boundaries need to be redrawn, especially if text is clear and understandable and suddenly becomes gibberish again), or gibberish that then gets turned into a valid sentence with a1z or gwynn

[shrewd yarrow]

i agree

[supple pulsar]

Nuh huh I'm gonna smash my head against the wall till I get it (you're right)

[autumn geyser]

Anything else should be treated as most likely, and I mean 99.99% chance of being, a dead end or just luck

Should I put that in the doc

Just so we have it in written form

[shrewd yarrow]

fair enough

@snow perch i know your at school but we managed to make some progress!

soooo as indiviual numbers i get: eaeappepeteaexxpm

which gives both gibberish, vieg and beau

combined numbers i get: oojdholxpm which goes into the darkwateey

[autumn geyser]

Likely a stretch if you ask me

[shrewd yarrow]

no i agree

[supple pulsar]

Chances this is some Kaminsky tomfoolery?

[shrewd yarrow]

LMFAO

Kaminsky be watching us

👁️

[autumn geyser]

kaminsky why are you

[shrewd yarrow]

probably cause we made head way

[rigid sphinx]

Because you all wanted this

[shrewd yarrow]

xD

[autumn geyser]

Fair enough

[shrewd yarrow]

he's not wrong

i mean, i did ask lily about our previous work

sooooo

yeah

here we are

❤️

[supple pulsar]

Make lilies say a funny word please

[shrewd yarrow]

facepalm

[supple pulsar]

It'll be super helpful

🥹

[rigid sphinx]

I mean, I'm not the one to ask. You need to ask them

[shrewd yarrow]

@boreal kite saaaay Lilies you have very lovely numbers, could you provide us with some sort of hint or key?

[boreal kite]

the convulsion of the puppet master is finally in play with an array to contend with, the souls must steel themselves

[autumn geyser]

array

ARRAY?

CODING MENTIONED?

boys we gotta code a tool to pass this part of the arg

what language you want lilies

[supple pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[shrewd yarrow]

turns his gaze to linas

[autumn geyser]

I can do python, js, html, css, sqf

[shrewd yarrow]

your up

[supple pulsar]

Someone make that embed work

Pls

[autumn geyser]

You name it, I can learn it

The options are endless

[shrewd yarrow]

what langages uses arrays?

[autumn geyser]

Well any

[rigid sphinx]

Strictly speaking, an array is more or less a data table

[autumn geyser]

^

Even maths has arrays

They're called sets

A={a, b, c}

[shrewd yarrow]

oh god....

[topaz geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

Unreal engine blueprints

[autumn geyser]

Same concept transfers over to just about every programming language out there short of ones dedicated to specific niche things

CSS for one, it's purely styling for HTML, so no need for arrays

[rigid sphinx]

coding arrays do change slightly based on the language, it could be grids with like 1x6 coords, could be the name of a plain text database, stuff like that

[autumn geyser]

But any language that does any kind of scripting has arrays

Yeah true

Same concept at the core though

[rigid sphinx]

Yer

[autumn geyser]

Often the same syntax too
a=[a,b,c]

[shrewd yarrow]

yeah..... i know next to nothing when it comes to coding lmao

[autumn geyser]

Fair and valid

[left bough]

coding again?

[autumn geyser]

lmao

[shrewd yarrow]

lmao

[left bough]

so uh... what's new?

[autumn geyser]

No clue

We got a new thing

And that's about all

[snow perch]

Vas?????

[left bough]

so what's the new thing?

[shrewd yarrow]

standby

[shrewd yarrow]

.

there ya go

[left bough]

oh god why

why's there multiple things mixed

i don't like this

[snow perch]

Good job Kos

[shrewd yarrow]

the scrambled letters were 4 parts beaut with lost key and one part vige lost key

our journey takes us to 20201121232025516
from the disgraced subject of Jassim bin Mohammed Al Thani
to the warriors that use altruism as an excuse for violence
452315 131543153335341555 waits to be observed
in the season of 44343553

this is what we have translated so far

[left bough]

don't tell me the number parts have a number key

[shrewd yarrow]

they do not

i tried the previous method from freak, with 09272027

[left bough]

hmmm

[shrewd yarrow]

"the convulsion of the puppet master is finally in play" soooo i am gathering this is Kaminsky's custom cipher

[autumn geyser]

why

[shrewd yarrow]

that's what i am gathering from just that part

[left bough]

wait an array?

[shrewd yarrow]

actually let me correct myself

there we go

[left bough]

oh no

[shrewd yarrow]

the first part of what lilies said "the convulsion of the puppet master is finally in play"

[left bough]

so form what i gather, it's a custom array cipher?

[shrewd yarrow]

thats my guess

[left bough]

how does one reverse engineer an array cipher?

[shrewd yarrow]

no idea

[left bough]

searched for "array cipher" only got caesar cipher

[shrewd yarrow]

hmmm

[left bough]

it can't be octal, right?

[shrewd yarrow]

it's possible?

not sure

[left bough]

i don't see any that are above seven, or even any sevens

that would be quite a throw tho

[autumn geyser]

I think it's literally just
A=[a,b,c]
B=[b,c,a]

And so plaintext to ciphertext would become:
abc -> bca

So basically transposition

[shrewd yarrow]

could you imagen if it was trifid into caesar with the 1234567890 key

i don't think that would work tho

[left bough]

go for it

[snow perch]

Wait is this kaminstitution?

[shrewd yarrow]

that's my theory

[supple pulsar]

Give it a shot

[shrewd yarrow]

i guess our good old meme comes into play

then again.....

if we recall what kaminsky said, if its a new form of cipher, there would be SOME sort of hint

[supple pulsar]

NOOOO NOT 228922

MAKE IT STOP

[shrewd yarrow]

lol

[left bough]

i did not need to look that up

i shouldn't have looked that up

don't even wanna look up the rest

why didn't you use the original?

[shrewd yarrow]

it was the first img i saw in google

[autumn geyser]

w h a t

[shrewd yarrow]

i was memeing

because numbers

[autumn geyser]

Yeah but like what are the numbers

And why are they special

[left bough]

please no

adult content warning

[autumn geyser]

Lemme guess

The internet doing its thing?

[left bough]

i guess?

[autumn geyser]

Fair enough

[left bough]

from the one i looked up and one other i know already, it's the effed up kind

[shrewd yarrow]

the numbers.... mason.... what do mean!

[left bough]

kaminsky do them

did them

made them

anyway

[shrewd yarrow]

anywho

[left bough]

anywhere

[shrewd yarrow]

anytime

[snow perch]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

[left bough]

huh?

[real sparrow]

I'm Mikhail Kaminsky and I will have my revenge!

[left bough]

OH NO

[shrewd yarrow]

i told ya

"the convulsion of the puppet master is finally in play"

[shrewd yarrow]

"with an array to contend with" we need some sort of array

[left bough]

like a matrix array or just the basic alphabet

[solar laurel]

what is the sepulchre was the friends we made all the way

[shrewd yarrow]

you are not wrong

[shrewd yarrow]

that i am unsure of

[left bough]

orrrr

numbers

[shrewd yarrow]

maybe

[left bough]

does the array have more than 1 dimension?

[autumn geyser]

Not to my knowledge

Not in programming at least

Arrays are purely one singular set

[autumn geyser]

Objects, Dictionaries, Hashmaps, or anything else you call them would be 2 dimensions

[left bough]

there are some ciphers that use 2 dimensional arrays

[autumn geyser]

Interesting

Scrap that then

[left bough]

wikipedia says dictionaries are associative arrays

[autumn geyser]

Yeah

a={
1="1",
2="2"
}

[left bough]

coding theory, standard array

[autumn geyser]

And then if you were to request the value of the element named 2, you'd get "2"

[left bough]

can a dictionary uhh... address(?) have more than one value?

[autumn geyser]

Not to my knowledge

WEll

Not directly

It can store anything

so if you wanted to, you could do:
a={
1=[1,2,3],
2=[2,3,4]
}

[left bough]

a dictionary in a dictionary 🤔

[autumn geyser]

Which would store multiple elements in there, that you would then access by first selecting the dict element and then selecting the desired element from the result

Yeah you could also do that

The same with arrays in arrays, you can do
a=[[a,b,c],[1,2,3]] and it works just fine

To get 2 in a good programming language you'd just do
a[1][1]

[left bough]

i'd guess that's how a 2 dimensional array would be done

[autumn geyser]

(Keep in mind most arrays start their indexing at 0 instead of 1, so the first element in an array is selected with a 0)

Perhaps

Depends on what it is

[left bough]

a matrix

[autumn geyser]

If you can describe it in words and how they work I can convey that in programming

[left bough]

ehhh, i don't know half the words to describe it

[autumn geyser]

I'll have a look in a sec

Gotta take the trash out
-# yes i am taking myself out

[left bough]

a matrix

[autumn geyser]

Ah this

Interesting

Yeah that'd be basically that

Just an array in an array

Y axis being the first selection index, X axis being the second

[left bough]

or the other way around, since you can code it whichever way

now make it 3 dimensional

[autumn geyser]

If you want it to retain the order shown in the image, where Y goes first and X goes second, then you'd have to reflect that in indexes

I mean just throw in another array

Array of arrays of arrays

[left bough]

eh, i'd limit the cipher to possibly 1 or 2 dimensional arrays

[autumn geyser]

If it's a cipher array it's more than likely a one dimensional one

[left bough]

polybius is a 2 dimensional one

but yeah

i might be thinking about the array part a bit too much

[autumn geyser]

Yeah probably

[left bough]

but it being explisitly mentioned makes it feel like it's gonna be a 2 dimensional

[snow perch]

This is how it feels doing anything in this ARG

[shrewd yarrow]

Yeah that... ik that feeling

[desert bronze]

I’m so confused

[shrewd yarrow]

anything i can try to clear up for you?

[desert bronze]

What is all this

[rigid sphinx]

It's an ARG linked to the game and it's deeper lore, you can find details about what's been solved and dug up so far in the pinned messages

[solar laurel]

i cant believe walter white is part of the lore

[pastel vale]

this is still going on??????

[rigid sphinx]

[shrewd yarrow]

We got a cipher that took us awhile, people went on like maybe a 2month break came vack solved that and now are the next lore section

But yeah still going

[pastel vale]

im going to say this right now

ive never been invested in args until i played ready or not

whoever came up with the idea, give them a fucking raise

[shrewd yarrow]

That would be @rigid sphinx for making the ARG

Tho it started earlier in early access through someone else kaminsky just took over the reins

@pastel vale i do agree with you. Kaminsky has done an amazing job 🙂

[rigid sphinx]

[topaz geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/a-toast-raise-hand-raise-a-toas-raise-glass-raise-your-glass-gif-15388277

[shrewd yarrow]

were happy that you restarted this

Even through all the suffering 🙂

[pastel vale]

i did have a question about smth similar to the arg- will we see the MLO in future updates?

they were probably the most interesting faction besides the spider and i'd love to see more of them

[rigid sphinx]

The who?

[pastel vale]

mariposa lily organization

[shrewd yarrow]

🤔

[rigid sphinx]

I'm sorry it's just a bit

[shrewd yarrow]

I figured lmao

[rigid sphinx]

The MLOs power as a storytelling element is like Cthulu in the Lovecraft books, You won't see them mentioned by name, you won't have any guys calling themselves a part of MLO, but if you know where to look they'll always be there silently guiding things like a unobsevable black hole.

[pastel vale]

Ahhh

so will there be any missions for them in the future?

[rigid sphinx]

Well that's the thing.

[shrewd yarrow]

turns his gaze to Lily

[rigid sphinx]

As soon as you quantify them, they become an opponet, not a 'force'

[shrewd yarrow]

🤔

[pastel vale]

CRPTID

[rigid sphinx]

Effectively, yes

[pastel vale]

you might think you are alone but they are always ther

like pulling the strings, effectively

[rigid sphinx]

Could they be guiding the Spider? Funnling humans one place or another for reasons not clearly understood? Could they have been behind Gerards break? Could they have orchestrated the attack on the Collage?

[shrewd yarrow]

Dun dunnnn dunnnn

[rigid sphinx]

Or could they have nothing to do with anything happening in Los Suenos and the singular mention we have of them be purely coincidence?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd yarrow]

Maybe one day. They emerge from the shadows but whos to say, maybe not at all.

[cedar venture]

Oh shit, i see we’ve been making progress?

How much did I miss

College has been absolutely hammering my ass as of late lmao, so I’ve admittedly not been able to pop in for a good while

[rigid sphinx]

@pastel vale
You can also reach out to Lily directly for questioning, but keep in mind that a question asked means there's a chance they might not answer if a hint is needed

[pastel vale]

LILY?

Lily?*

[eager atlas]

@boreal kite

[shrewd yarrow]

quick run down update: the walls of numbers was solved by Freakinator by putting the numbers into a beau cipher getting numbers for a1z26 with the keyword of 09272027 from the exif data

[cedar venture]

Holy shit

I never thought we’d see the day

🙏

[shrewd yarrow]

we are now....

[shrewd yarrow]

.

here

[cedar venture]

Thanks lol

[shrewd yarrow]

np

the googledoc also has been updated

[cedar venture]

Oh hell yeah

[shrewd yarrow]

the arabic takes about the creator of Qatar

[cedar venture]

Hm

[shrewd yarrow]

about 3/4 of the scrambled letters were beau with keyword lost, the last part was vige keyword lost

the numbers on the other hand....

[cedar venture]

Alright, so that’s something at least lol

[shrewd yarrow]

.

this is our hint

[cedar venture]

Gotchya

[shrewd yarrow]

from what we have gathered.... it's Kaministution

@pastel vale if you scroll up to the last to...

[shrewd yarrow]

here

this is an example of what you could ask Lily

or...

.

[cedar venture]

thanks lol, just catching myself up lol

[shrewd yarrow]

your good man

wb

[supple pulsar]

Updates on uh

The code numbers?

[shrewd yarrow]

nothing yet

we need some sort of array

[left bough]

isn't gwynnstitution a dictionary?

131543153335341555
is the cipher 2 layered again?
3 of the same character being next to each other can't be right

44343553 seems to be the only one with a single possible character count, if ignoring numbers outside of the 0-25 bracket

20201121232025516 has 9-17 characters
452315 has 4-6 characters
131543153335341555 has 14-18 characters
the latter two being next to each other adding up to 18-24 characters

but all this assuming they don't have numbers goinf above 25

or 26

no 7 or higher digits either... which i think is weird

[eternal kindle]

I know we've mentioned this before but 20201121232025516 sure looks like a date and time to me:
2020/11/21 23:20h 25s 516ms

[left bough]

it would kinda fit the first part of the sentence too

[eternal kindle]

so what happened on 21st november in 2020?

oh... or just the time makes sense too actually yea

[left bough]

eh

[eternal kindle]

i mean it would fit with the "warriors" part but the rest wouldn't make sense

[eternal kindle]

hold on I just realized something

lilies mentioned "the leviathan stirs" when linch asked them something about img 2 (B1)

and I'm pretty sure back then it meant that we'll have to wait for the next image

so what I'm thinking is: the text we're trying to solve is actually just optional and we'll have to wait for the next stuff to release anyway

doesn't change anything at us still having to solve it but I think it's good to know that it's only a side quest

[snow perch]

Interesting, Its probably something to keep us occupied/show us kaminstitution (if it even exists)

[eternal kindle]

that would explain lilies response to linch too:
the convulsion of the puppet master is finally in play with an array to contend with, the souls must steel themselves

The convulsion of the puppet master means future ciphers by lily / kaminsky and they are coming (finally in play). But there's a lot of them to choose from / to work on (an array to contend with) and so we must wait (souls must steel themselves)

so i guess we actually cannot solve the numbers as of now

[snow perch]

Steel does mean prepare yourself (usually something difficult), it IS most likely solvable but its going to be hard

[eternal kindle]

oh so steel does have a meaning... i thought they actually meant the metal steel

[snow perch]

to solve this riddle, we must become solid steel

[eternal kindle]

yes

prepare your melting pots everyone

this is gonna get hot

[eternal kindle]

still lilies response would likely yield the same results: we'll have to wait for future posts to solve those numbers :(

[snow perch]

@boreal kite Are these numbers solvable by themselves with the knowledge that we have now

[eternal kindle]

we have lostcon 5 rn so i wouldn't expect anything soon...
also kam did say we shouldn't be so deliberate in mentioning lily because we will not get any hints when we actually need them then

wait but if we just wait until infinity that brings us nowhere too, so actually smart move

[supple pulsar]

20201121232025516

What if the decryption method has something to do with Jassim?

Or the key, at least.

Not directly. Perhaps Jassim is a reference to something.

The same way Al-Kwarzimi was a reference to the Arabic numerical system

Or maybe Jassim is related to the lore, or rather is an alegory for something else

[left bough]

jassim started Qatar
Qatar is in the middle east
middle east tends to be where terrorist groups are believed to be based in

[shrewd yarrow]

wait.... thehand?

[left bough]

probably

[shrewd yarrow]

only group thats similar in context in game

that i can think of

[left bough]

"to the warriors that use altruism as an excuse for violence"
could mean any group fighting "for the greater good"

i skimmed through jassim's wiki page, but couldn't figure out what the "disgraced subject" was

[shrewd yarrow]

"Altruism is the principle and practice of concern for the well-being and/or happiness of other humans or animals"

[left bough]

"as an excuse for violence"

[shrewd yarrow]

🤔

could they mean the LSPD?

[left bough]

who knows, but i'd assume the subject is middle east

[shrewd yarrow]

true

[left bough]

with the founder of Qatar mentioned

maybe 20201121232025516 is "the middle east"

it would fit the scope of possible word lengths

with or without spaces

[supple pulsar]

hmmm

I'd need to be home to get a good look at everything

And that'll be in 10 days or so

[left bough]

D:

[boreal kite]

with the ingenuity of the souls and an array of convergence, anything is solvable

[autumn geyser]

ARRAYS AGAIN

I would try and like solve something here but I'm currently flying in arma so I'll help in a few

[left bough]

:o flying in arma?

oh no

it's likely a 2d array

[autumn geyser]

Got a new hotas so did some light flying

[left bough]

nice

[autumn geyser]

Yeah very possible

Convergence and all

[left bough]

but it' likely the vigenere type of 2d array

[autumn geyser]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too

Was gonna say, reminds me of a vigenere table

[left bough]

or beau

[autumn geyser]

Or that

But same shit

[left bough]

since they're basically the same

ye

so we need a key...

[autumn geyser]

It's most definitely an a1z / gwynn into vigenere / beaufort

[left bough]

well good thing i've been working on making a beaufort thing

[autumn geyser]

Key might very well be lost

We just need to get the right combo of a1z or gwynn number separation

[left bough]

aye

i made my first dictionaries :D

[autumn geyser]

Ayy nice

What'd you use

[left bough]

a0z and a1z

and they work both ways A => 0 and 0 => A

[autumn geyser]

Niice

[left bough]

now i just need to edit the beaufort thing i had made before to work with this

[autumn geyser]

Good work

Which lang you using?

[left bough]

or make a gwynn dictionary

[autumn geyser]

I'd say make a gwynn one too

[left bough]

python

[autumn geyser]

Based, good choice

[left bough]

just because it feels simpler than C#

[autumn geyser]

Yeah python's a reliably good and easy first lang

Good news for you

Once you learn python, you basically know most programming languages

[left bough]

C# was my first tho

[autumn geyser]

Concepts transfer over super easily with minor changes in syntax and function names and whatnot

But the psychological side and the basic ideas still carry over

I had no difficulty learning SQF from JavaScript because I already knew the primitive things and now I'm learning things through SQF that I use in other langs

It's all just one big web

[left bough]

now i just need to learn javascript or something and i can make the weirdest amalgamation program

[autumn geyser]

lmao

[left bough]

mix all of the langs together

[autumn geyser]

Honestly programming is just fun

[left bough]

make beaufort with C#, vigenere with js and so on with python sewign them together

[autumn geyser]

I love that

[left bough]

gwynn dict works :D

[autumn geyser]

niiice

Good work

Please do send me the file once you're done if you are okay with that

[left bough]

i dunno if you wanna see it

actually maybe you can make it better

[autumn geyser]

I have seen worse.

[left bough]

ehhh

fair enough

i don't have the skills to make it worse

[autumn geyser]

I have done worse.

This is the sorta stuff I get up to in SQF

[left bough]

oh

well at least you don't have all of it in a single line

[autumn geyser]

I feel like jank is an integral part of programming

[left bough]

wait

is that arma

oh no

[autumn geyser]

It is

It's for arma

SQF is arma's thing

[left bough]

ah, that's probably why it sounded familiar

[autumn geyser]

I make my own missions for our group in arma so I get up to some stupid shit scripting-wise

Pretty fun once you get the basics down considering everything can be done with enough patience and commitment

[left bough]

the most experience i have with that is looking at it and going "nope"

[autumn geyser]

lmao fair

SQF gets stupid sometimes

[left bough]

i've barely seen any and yeah

[autumn geyser]

And so does arma for that matter

[left bough]

maybe i can find the small things i did with it

[autumn geyser]

Part of why this even had to exist

[left bough]

about the best i've done with it

[autumn geyser]

Pretty good

So with this python thing, the goal is to make it so that if you type in a number set, it then outputs that set in text form?

Depending on your choice?

[left bough]

uhhh

yes

[autumn geyser]

Ight

[left bough]

and no

[autumn geyser]

Oh

[left bough]

it takes a string and converts it

either numbers split with spaces or words without spaces

the testing inputs

[autumn geyser]

Ah so it can also be called by other things to get the same result?

[left bough]

aye

that was the point

[autumn geyser]

Why not build everything in one place?

[left bough]

cause mess

[autumn geyser]

Fair enough

[left bough]

and i don't feel like scrolling

[autumn geyser]

I guess I'm too janky for clean code

[left bough]

well

old gwynn

i'm not even sure how that works anymore

but it't simpler than how i made some other things

but the point is that i would be able to just input the ciphertext and a key or plaintext
have those be converted to numbers if needed and then input those numbers to the decipher thing

oh, it's misisng the gwynn convert

[shrewd yarrow]

soooo what's the verdict array team?

[left bough]

likely beau or vigenere array

[autumn geyser]

^

[shrewd yarrow]

gotcha

[left bough]

this thing

[shrewd yarrow]

😵‍💫

oh god

[autumn geyser]

It's not that complicated once you think about it

[left bough]

"an array of convergence"

[autumn geyser]

Key on the left, plaintext on the top, you basically just see where they cross

[left bough]

it's even easier in number form

[autumn geyser]

And then that's the ciphertext

[left bough]

i think it doesn't even matter which side is which

[autumn geyser]

Not really, no

[left bough]

but yeah, that's the vigenere array

🤔 i haven't seen a beaufort array

[shrewd yarrow]

interesting....

[left bough]

maybe i should try getting the vigenere working first instead of beau

[shrewd yarrow]

perhaps

[left bough]

🤔 how it returning more numers than i input?

[shrewd yarrow]

MAGIC

[left bough]

think i figured it out, but now it won't run through the main thing

[shrewd yarrow]

oh?

[left bough]

oh no

[shrewd yarrow]

what's wrong?

[left bough]

well it's back to extra output

[shrewd yarrow]

oh no

[shrewd yarrow]

ewk

why is it giving negative numbers?

[left bough]

i don't know

at first the last number was always "none"

[shrewd yarrow]

interesting

[left bough]

ah, i was inputting a different thing

[shrewd yarrow]

oh?

[left bough]

welp

i htink i broke it

[supple pulsar]

uhohh

uhhh

you good there outcider?

[left bough]

nah, brain foggy, drank energy drink and cider, not good combination when already somewhat hyper

will try again some other time

the coding that is

[sacred dawn]

Vyvanse + Monster better cocktail

[left bough]

it wasn't a cocktail

and i don't like energy drink cocktails

[sacred dawn]

Vyvanse is Adderall basically

[left bough]

the only one i had gave me flashbacks weeks later

[sacred dawn]

It's not an alcoholic kinda cocktail

[left bough]

oh boy

now to just figure out what key is needed

or plaintext

[snow perch]

keep up the good work man!

[left bough]

beaufort system broke, but vigenere works

caesar also works

i could make a thing that ramps through numbers as a key, but that would be bruteforcing it and it would be a pain to go through all the outputs

would be 1 562 275 results if i did that

[left bough]

from 44343553
that does look like it could be a word with other letters

[left bough]

so uh, any ideas for a key?

[shrewd yarrow]

lost

Or leviathan

[left bough]

lost didn't yield any results

[shrewd yarrow]

Damn

[left bough]

unless there's a different cipher on top of vigenere

[shrewd yarrow]

Maybe

[left bough]

well i mean, using "lost" as key gave something that was similar to being a word, but the letters didn't match

leviathan didn't get even that close

[shrewd yarrow]

Hmm

What about....

thelilieseyes

Or just lilieseyes

[left bough]

ehhh

[shrewd yarrow]

Nothing?

[left bough]

not really no

[shrewd yarrow]

Damn

Wait define?

[left bough]

with 4 4 3 4 3 5 5 3 and key lilieseyes

[shrewd yarrow]

Ah i see

[left bough]

same with "lost" as key

[shrewd yarrow]

Hmm

I think we effectively have our array

[left bough]

the "array of convergence" is bothering me

[shrewd yarrow]

Would convergence be too long?

[left bough]

i'm really getting tempted to just bruteforce it

[left bough]

i don't think "too long" is a thing

other than if it's longer than the text, then the overflow wouldn't get used

[shrewd yarrow]

Ah

[left bough]

anyway, "convergence" as key:

[shrewd yarrow]

Damn

@boreal kite alright Lily, we have our array as requested, can you give us a hint on a key please?

Never hurts to ask

[left bough]

but do we though? beaufort's wiki page says it can also be used with an array, but has no actual images of such

OH

lostcon3

[shrewd yarrow]

Crap

We could try, beau

[shrewd yarrow]

Lol

[left bough]

wasn't the last thing in the tutorial cleared with beau?

or was it something else?

[shrewd yarrow]

The numbers were beau with keyword of 092727 changing letters to numbers the putting the yieled numbers int a1z26

[left bough]

mmm

[shrewd yarrow]

Sooo instead of abc it was 1234567890 and keyword

Wait.

Can you try that?

[left bough]

i don't know how the alphabet ties into that

[shrewd yarrow]

Ah

[left bough]

mine just uses everything thourgh numbers

[shrewd yarrow]

Gotcha

[left bough]

everything gets turned into a0z25

and then back at the end

though i do have a1z26 ready to go

[shrewd yarrow]

Try a1z26

[left bough]

"4 4 3 4 3 5 5 3" with "convergence" key

wait

that don't look right

[shrewd yarrow]

?

[left bough]

the numbers changed, but the letters didn't

[shrewd yarrow]

Interesting...

[left bough]

ye my head no work

gonna retry tomorrow

[shrewd yarrow]

Sounds good, rest well!

[left bough]

figured out what the problem was

[shrewd yarrow]

😮

[left bough]

"4 4 3 4 3 5 5 3" through beau with "lost" as key

[shrewd yarrow]

hmmm

[left bough]

i just really hope this is working properly

otherwise it's just gonna waste a lot of time on wrong conclusions

wait, there's a perfectly good way of testing it

the already solved parts

aaand it can't handle letters

[shrewd yarrow]

oof

[left bough]

not actually because it can't handle letters, but instead becuase it pulls negative numbers from an addition

[shrewd yarrow]

ah

[left bough]

i had placed a 0 instead of 25

[shrewd yarrow]

ah

[coarse oriole]

Hey, just to ask is the Dorms map connected to the ARG

[autumn geyser]

Yep

[coarse oriole]

Knew it

[autumn geyser]

The ARG itself is not pulling from in-game assets for now, but the two are connected

[coarse oriole]

Port and Dorms

[autumn geyser]

Hell, the ARG group got some slight early access of the map through hints

And more

I've found potential links to Rust Belt

[coarse oriole]

In the tunnels?

[autumn geyser]

And we've also linked Valley and Elephant to Dorms too

[autumn geyser]

Ye

[coarse oriole]

So how many maps?

[autumn geyser]

My theory is the MLO aids in smuggling and occasionally takes a few groups for themselves

[autumn geyser]

To some extent they all have ties with one another

[coarse oriole]

Can you like help me understand what Victor Ortega written on his letter

[autumn geyser]

Who's that again

[coarse oriole]

The civilian on Dorms

[autumn geyser]

Ah the religious dude?

[coarse oriole]

When you get S rank, you'll see a letter written by him

[coarse oriole]

Yea, the homeless people calls "Reverant"

[autumn geyser]

He's not really related afaik

So no clue what his ramblings meant

[coarse oriole]

@autumn geyser

Oh

I manage to understand some but I thought it's connected to the ARG

And also the drawings in the Dorms that looks exactly from 213

And the pre 1.0 Port map

[left bough]

probably part of the lore, just not the arg

[autumn geyser]

^

It's deffo lore related in some way, but the ARG is a separate offshoot that isn't as related to it

[supple pulsar]

@left bough

Try to intuition guess it like I did, maybe?

Also, how does the current system work?

[left bough]

am not good at that

[left bough]

ehhhh, it works

[snow perch]

lmao

[supple pulsar]

yeah but- what's the current process

for decryption?

[left bough]

vigenere and beaufort

[supple pulsar]

How does it turn the numbers into that?

[left bough]

depends on which decryption method is used

[supple pulsar]

uhhh, on vigenere, for example?

[left bough]

um... encrypted text + key on repeat

[supple pulsar]

just, over the numbers?

[left bough]

well text gets turned into numbers too

[supple pulsar]

so basically it's just vigenere with a number table instead of alphabet?

[left bough]

turn key into number
turn crypted text into number
work the number
turn result number into text

so yeah

i guess

[snow perch]

interesting, I wouldn't know how to code/do any of this 😭

good job

[left bough]

well the problem, or what i think might be a problem, is that it uses A0Z25 to switch numbers and letters

[supple pulsar]

yeah

[left bough]

so basically the output is always put through A0Z

[supple pulsar]

actually. wait. couldn't it be that the key is a number?

[left bough]

this can work that too

i think

but what number could it be?

[supple pulsar]

well

the key for the last puzzle

[left bough]

the WoN?

[supple pulsar]

or something related to Jassim, perhaps

[supple pulsar]

yeah

That, or another number from the past

also, how does this all uh

fit lilies' clue?

[left bough]

by being beaufort or vigenere

since an intersecting array

or what lilies said it was

"with the ingenuity of the souls and an array of convergence, anything is solvable"

both vigenere and beaufort use an array where the key and text are used to converge to get the end result

UNLESS kaminsky made a custom array

"the convulsion of the puppet master is finally in play with an array to contend with, the souls must steel themselves"
only explanation of what "convulsion" means i've found is a stroke or similar

gonna just assume it means the puppet master made something

but it contends with the array?

@snow perch how'd you solve the WoN (A6)?
i couldn't reproduce the results

[snow perch]

sec

make sure you have alphabet with 0 at the end

[left bough]

oh boy, i don't know how the alphabet list ties in

[left bough]

it's so close

[supple pulsar]

how close are we chat

[left bough]

result should be 803197440330403
instead it's 702186340320302

[supple pulsar]

What'd you do to get it?

[left bough]

threw it through beafort

but that expected result is still only partially done

just i can't get that far

[supple pulsar]

wait why should it be that number

I'm confuzzled.

[left bough]

the thing i'm trying to do is use "1234567890" as the alphabet
the expected result in this case is with "0123456789"

as in the alphabet is wrong, but i need to get this first

[supple pulsar]

keep throwing things at it till it works

[left bough]

it's confusing to explain, but i'm doing a partial translation

[supple pulsar]

let's just pray this is actually it

[left bough]

i think i figured out what the problem is, but can't figure out how to fix it

[left bough]

i have a feeling it isn't

[supple pulsar]

What's the problem?

[left bough]

i'm supposed to do "0-2" and end up with 8

[supple pulsar]

Uhhh

did you ask chatgpt 💀

[left bough]

not gonna even bother

the best i could ask is to explain where to find how to do it

[supple pulsar]

try Claude AI maybe

[autumn geyser]

All AI coding assistants suck ass

I say that having access to the best one (Github copilot)

They do superficial level stuff

[left bough]

...i think i just accidentally ifxed it

[autumn geyser]

It may help you find the problem, sure, but at what cost too

[supple pulsar]

😭😭😭

[autumn geyser]

You don't gain any knowledge from it

Meaning you'll create the same problem in two weeks time

[supple pulsar]

DID YOU

[left bough]

...yes

[supple pulsar]

💀💀💀💀💀

So does it work now

[left bough]

now i don't even knwo what the problem was

[autumn geyser]

damn

[supple pulsar]

Monke do thing. thing work. Monke happy. Be monke. 🐵

[left bough]

ah crap, now it doesn't output anything

[supple pulsar]

FUCK

Don't be monke I guess

[left bough]

oh nvm, i accidentally deleted the output

[supple pulsar]

Oh

Nevermind then

Did you get 803197440330403

[left bough]

expected= 803197440330403
current =803197440330403

ayy

now to make it right

[supple pulsar]

RIGHT

so whats next?

[left bough]

CORRECT decryption = 914208551441514
corrected output = 914208551441514

les goo

now i can test it with the actual current ciphered text

oh but

how do i split 20201121232025516 into individual letters?

[supple pulsar]

..

[left bough]

input: "4 4 3 4 3 5 5 3"
key: "09152027"
output: "7 8 0 9 8 7 8 0"

[supple pulsar]

Uhh