💬general-discussion

[vital grove]

this is not a flex lmao its a 600 gun

[dapper gyro]

I wish RON was on Xbox

[slim steppe]

What time zone is the launch at 9pm?

[median zinc]

Uhhhh

[solemn rapids]

Lmfaoo

[cloud hawk]

its 10pm cest convert it to yours

[minor veldt]

GMT

[olive forum]

I think your all whatcked out of your heads, it goging to bed and hope to see some more reason whei wake up

[green tusk]

Home Invasion will be launching <t:1721764800:F> as per the announcement today

[cloud hawk]

pretty sure gmt is 8

[stuck kernel]

thanks, the question has been answered. so sorry for pinging you directly your was just the active one yk

[slim steppe]

Thank you

BST is 9pm

[mint compass]

8 reference

[median zinc]

They should replace the shadow systems with a taran tactical 34 or something

[cloud hawk]

🤪

[still lion]

correction. Peak will be releasing.

[solid tiger]

when discount for ready or not i wanna buy

[barren shoal]

WHEN IS NEW DLC COMING

[mint compass]

[vital grove]

nah the shadow systems is based (i am biased i own one)

[barren shoal]

thats the time rn for me and it didint release

[median zinc]

Ew

[cloud hawk]

read the pinned message

[still lion]

july 23rd 🤦‍♂️

[vital grove]

i will invade your house

[green tusk]

That is tomorrow, not today

[barren shoal]

23rd today for me.

[still lion]

look at the time dawg

[cloud hawk]

it is releasing in 21 hours

[green tusk]

The message is displayed in your device’s timezone and date

[vital grove]

july 23st is the date

[median zinc]

I also have a 17 so it'll be a fair fight

[barren shoal]

yes, and it says it was 2 hours ago.

[vital grove]

mfw i bring my 1301

[green tusk]

Then your device isn’t set correctly for whatever reason

[vital grove]

the 1301 is really nice

[median zinc]

Are we having a flex off rn

[barren shoal]

ill show u proof of it

[vital grove]

i can empty the tube before the first shell hits the ground

[cloud hawk]

either your windows is setup wrong or you got to go back to primary school

[still lion]

go to your device settings and set automatic time adjustment

[barren shoal]

prob windows ig

[vital grove]

youd lose (ive felt the touch of a woman)

[barren shoal]

okay ill go try

[median zinc]

Yeah well I have an LMT mars-H so who's really winning

[vital grove]

LMT

[static ingot]

Can you believe it guys? The DLC, just a day away

[cloud hawk]

crazy right

[vital grove]

bc you gave them 6k for a rifle with bad QC

[median zinc]

Mines fine, but yeah they've had issues

[mint compass]

https://tenor.com/view/will-you-change-your-ways-or-will-you-weep-for-forgiveness-to-an-audience-of-deaf-ears-scone-gif-24806421

[vital grove]

there is a divide between pre covid and post covid LMT

[mint compass]

aww embed failure so sad

[vital grove]

id only buy a pre covid lmt

[night prairie]

Are ppl who dont own the dlc gonna be able to join if im hosting the map?

[cloud hawk]

yes

[night prairie]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[median zinc]

I got mine during COVID so hard to say for mine

[bronze blade]

Less gooo

[median zinc]

Early COVID tho

I don't shoot it much, prefer the m16a4 clone I built

[vital grove]

there honestly arent enough good manufacturers making ar10s for me to get one

[median zinc]

You shouldn't unless you need a dmr

[vital grove]

its either psa/aero or LMT/KAC

i dont trust psa or aero with a 308 and im not spending lmt and kac money

[rigid bone]

PSA

[vital grove]

you be quiet dont tell them

[rigid bone]

I will hollar from the rooftops that PSA is Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[median zinc]

I had more money than brains during covid

[sullen fjord]

Did anyone notice if the suspects act different if you use ir laser? I feel like they can't see the normal ones too

[median zinc]

Worked obscene amount of overtime to keep up with COVID orders so lots of money to blow

[median zinc]

Suspects don't react to lasers or lights at all afaik

[vital grove]

the sr25 is what 7k stripped?

[minor wren]

What’s the release time in BST

[vital grove]

june 23st

[minor wren]

June lol

[median zinc]

Something absurd like that if you can even find one

[cloud hawk]

its 10pm cest use google and convert it

[vital grove]

better than a 417

[minor wren]

Ok I won’t get it till Wednesday then ahaha

[mint compass]

I've seen a lot of mixed reviews on them, I'm just gonna buy one myself at this point.

[vital grove]

the sabre is the only one worth considering for a range trash gun

[rigid bone]

I have literally had two lowers blow up on me

[cloud hawk]

uhm no you will get it at 9pm on tuesday

[mint compass]

oof

[vital grove]

lowers? tf?

[rigid bone]

yes

one was a full rifle, one was my build

[minor wren]

Ok sounds good then ahaha

[rigid bone]

I have a higher round count and less issues with a POLYMER lower than I had with PSA lowers

[median zinc]

Lugging battle rifles around sucks, I basically just use the LMT as a bench gun now. Only carried it when we were trying to find a mountain lion buddy saw on his trail cam

[vital grove]

10mm glock

have you seen what a 10mm jhp does to a human skull

[cinder stratus]

@nova otter to answer your question, simply. It doesn't really matter location wise, our biggest issue is stolen firarms, (or not secured) firearms on the street, 50% of the time the owner of the firearm doesn't own the gun.

[median zinc]

Not gonna bring a handgun as main choice when it may be at a distance in a tree

[vital grove]

youre hunting mountain lions?

[median zinc]

Yes and no

They're not native here so we can kill on sight, buddy has a farm and saw one there

For obvious reasons he wanted it gone, but we couldn't find it

[echo ridge]

For the DLC, is that 3pm est,cst, etc?

[vital grove]

weast

[echo ridge]

[severe tusk]

did you ever figure this out, is it even worth it? I might just buy a backlit keyboard for it lol

[median zinc]

I only actually hunt turkey and deer, sometimes do stuff like that as pest control if friends ask me to help them with it

[agile cobalt]

mb wrong chat

[vital grove]

30-06 pawn shop rifle supremacy

[agile cobalt]

but yeah dlc at 9pm is weird also that’s past my bedtime so i can’t play it

[pliant briar]

why are people talking about real guns, isn't that against discord rules?

[vital grove]

you have a bedtime of 9pm? are you old enough to play?

[karmic fog]

The time in the announcement is converted to your time already

[median zinc]

Only in the context of sales

[vital grove]

or young enough to understand how a keyboard works

[rich tendon]

LMAAOOO

[mint compass]

Literally joined a lobby with a 9 year old like... 30 minutes ago lmao

[agile cobalt]

i’m joking lmao

[vital grove]

[mint compass]

he was telling people to shut the fuck up and everything too 😭

little dude was mean

[vital grove]

as much as i hate kids their unhinged insults remind me of the mw2 days

[median zinc]

That's why I don't play pubs, getting a child to understand "slow and careful" is an exercise in patience"

[mint compass]

so real

[cinder stratus]

The rules prohibit to sell, buy, or trade firearm, doesn't say anything about talking about it. Same thing with any controlled item.

[rigid bone]

☝️

[vital grove]

i remember i told a 14 year old to pie the door and he said pumpkin or apple

[rigid bone]

Honestly, peak answer

[vital grove]

i LOVE heroin

[pliant briar]

unfortunate, but what can you do...

[karmic fog]

How is that unfortunate..?

[agile cobalt]

what’s the new leo ama questions chat for if there’s a 1 hour timer for each message u send

[cinder stratus]

me when embed dies

[rich tendon]

read the announcements silly

[median zinc]

Love communications confusion, had a guy mix up "cover that hall" as "lay cover fire"

[pliant briar]

something something guns are bad

[vital grove]

cover that hall in bullets duh

[karmic fog]

Can't even handle the mere mention of guns? Lmao

[rich tendon]

ew

[vital grove]

probably a euro

[cinder stratus]

plays a game with guns

[mint compass]

hey I mean he did indeed cover that hall lmao

[vital grove]

@rigid bone is european too (he lives in new jersey)

[karmic fog]

Well no I mean I am from the UK but like I don't think guns are bad

[livid karma]

does anyone know of any good RoN type communities that are a little more on the chill side? opposed to like a milsim or some shit

[rigid bone]

[pliant briar]

no, but people discussing guns owned by them? yes

[cinder stratus]

#📌unit-promo

[agile cobalt]

guns are bad cuz they kill ppl

[vital grove]

also new york bagels are inferior to chicago bagels

[livid karma]

if its against the rules to answer this in chat, you can dm me

[median zinc]

Great idea then he was out of rifle ammo after the next fight

[rigid bone]

Lets not get into the politics on gubs please

that's why the gun channel got deleted

and I really don't want to yeet people

[livid karma]

i tried looking in there and i couldnt find anything good

[mint compass]

And that's why I pack 40 morbillion mags

[karmic fog]

I have knives in my kitchen, is that bad too?

[vital grove]

lets discuss bagel and hot dog politics instead, and why new york has inferior both

[rich tendon]

that channel was fun

[pliant briar]

the user of that gun does

[cinder stratus]

I use a shovel as a tool.

[rich tendon]

i liked nekos gun thingie

[vital grove]

i believe in chicago hot dog supremacy

[median zinc]

I'm not interested in the politics being discussed, guns are just fun and cool

[livid karma]

prolly a good idea considering not a lot of good gun related things in the news recently

[rigid bone]

nekhoe is a treasure

[mint compass]

People are bad because they kill people, sometimes they just use guns to do it.

[vital grove]

which one the hentai gun or the halo pistol

[rigid bone]

yes

[pliant briar]

if they're kitchen knives no

[cinder stratus]

REAL POLITICAL DISUSSION HERE! Best 5$ fastfood value bag

[rich tendon]

the former

[livid karma]

politics are for dumbasses

[vital grove]

elect me president and ill send all left handed "people" to utah

[rich tendon]

no please wait i don’t wanna go there

[mint compass]

I'm left handed... and I live in Utah...

[livid karma]

now this is something i can get behind

[vital grove]

blocked

[livid karma]

you're going to space

[vital grove]

you get what you deserve

[quasi wing]

Bro I will be in the Police Academy during that time... I'm so sad

[median zinc]

Love that movie

[vital grove]

which one

[median zinc]

... Police academy

[vital grove]

yea which one theres like 4

[mint compass]

In all honesty I said the same thing before I eventually moved here (former south GA resident), it's really not that bad over here

[vital grove]

or am i thinking of airplane

[quasi wing]

I like the 1st and 2nd

[vital grove]

you can say atlanta its ok

[median zinc]

There's like 4 but I mainly meant the original

[mint compass]

Blackshear, 4 hours away from Atlanta

[vital grove]

atlanta is a DMZ it is separate from georgia

[mint compass]

yes, precisely

[high edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bosna-gif-21304159

[rich tendon]

embed fail

[vital grove]

i dont wanna know what that gif is if it says bosna

[wintry crescent]

That ama with cops is pretty sick

[dense quail]

Will the new update add a drum mag to the mp5

[mint compass]

epic embed failure, but yes, bosnia

[wintry crescent]

No and why

[high edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW6GSa14xXI

[vital grove]

when will the mag pouches on the plate carriers match the gun we run

[cloud hawk]

why would you assume that

[pliant briar]

even with that it would still mean 2 business days to neutralize a threat

[wintry crescent]

I don't know of any game that does that

[dense quail]

Smelled it in the air

[pliant briar]

safe to assume never (unless you mod it in)

[vital grove]

ground branch

[dense quail]

Keep shooting sooner

[vital grove]

bring better ammo

[cloud hawk]

the mp5 is horrible tbh

[wintry crescent]

Ah well GB is like all mechanics no gameplay type beat.

[vital grove]

also yea the mp5 is just bad, all the smgs are

[mint compass]

It would be cool if we could just edit the mag pouches ourselves in all honesty.

[vital grove]

the customization is the only good part of GB

[wintry crescent]

Hard disagree on that

[vital grove]

also ive been banned from all the populated community servers on GB for insulting mods whenever they say my rifle set up is unrealistic (its a sopmod II clone)

[cloud hawk]

its just objectively true that smgs are absolute poopoo in this game

[median zinc]

Hey some are a bit less bad atleast

[wintry crescent]

It's sick for realism yea, maybe some big PvP like in squad would make that game stand out from any other

[wintry crescent]

Just simply why.

[cloud hawk]

enemies just dont die?

[vital grove]

it isnt even realistic, the body armor does nothing youve got the same ballistic protection as a guy with the alice webbing if you have a full plate carrier

[dense quail]

9/10ths of the GB playerbase has no clue it has mp

[dense quail]

Blamammamamamamam

[vital grove]

shotguns are simply superior

[cloud hawk]

true

[dense quail]

Find me in the shoot house

[median zinc]

When the mp5 10mm came out I went "neat" and used it precisely once

[cloud hawk]

real

[vital grove]

slugs go through walls iirc

[wintry crescent]

Well they just do if you don't shoot small caliber where there's small caliber protection and even then they get staggered so just put on the fun switch and blast it.

[cinder stratus]

so does buckshot at close enough

[vital grove]

never tested buckshot tbh

[wintry crescent]

That's pretty cringe, if something I will give to greed simulator aka tarkov is that it has great ammo and armour simulation

[median zinc]

I've almost never found over penetration to matter in this game tbh

[dense quail]

Blamamammamamam

[vital grove]

armor simulation yes, ammo not so much

[median zinc]

It's technically a worry, but practically, not really

[vital grove]

mk318 should absolutely floor someone

same with slugs regardless of armor the kinetic energy will stop your heart

[wintry crescent]

Yea that is already dumb balancing stuff

[median zinc]

Enemies with masks will take shots to the face and keep fighting as if even if if it didn't penetrate they wouldn't have horrible concussions and bone breaks

[wintry crescent]

And well fair enough getting one shot in body sounds pretty op

[cloud hawk]

welcome to ron

[wintry crescent]

I smell skill issues

[vital grove]

my sgt and i tested by him shooting me with plates on (we were safe we used a .40 on rifle plates) and it still felt like getting dropkicked in the chest

[twin spade]

points to goggles - these bad boys are ballistic rated, means they can take 5x 5.56 rounds before breaking 💀

[median zinc]

Yeah the skill issue of picking an SMG, it's why I always use rifles

[proven summit]

MP7 is ideal in this game, just need to use it right.

[wintry crescent]

RoN officers have plot armor or rather plot hp pool

[median zinc]

If most enemies have armor I run the FAL, it's why I want an ar-10, Scar-H, or the sig spear

[twin spade]

i mean its not a skill issue, it is just a poorly balanced armor system tbh

not to mention i can be shot in both legs and both arms it has no imapct on anything lol

[vital grove]

lol no theres several reports of people getting hit 8, 9 sometimes 12 times with 4.6 and it doing nothing

[twin spade]

i mean if you're on the right drugs even 5.56 won't stop you dead in your tracks tbh

[proven summit]

I'm talking in game.

[vital grove]

4.6 is a horrible round and with how common 556 ars are theres no reason to run 4.6 or 5.7

[twin spade]

don't you badmouth 5.7

[proven summit]

If you're talking reality I've seen enough footage to know.

[median zinc]

In game it sucks more than irl tho

[vital grove]

i have science to back me up ill do it all i want

[wintry crescent]

I can drop suspects using ump or any other gun in that game, if there's a break out about balancing in coop tactical shooter you really came to wrong place. In this game aim and tactics win not the gun you use

[twin spade]

😂

[proven summit]

Same with a .22, just need to get the right spot.

[dense quail]

How is the mp5 bad

[vital grove]

nah 22 just bounces off the skin sonny

[proven summit]

It's a very specific tool so yea, used incorrectly that'll happen.

[cloud hawk]

well ofc you can drop enemies with smgs but they are just inferior to basically everything else

[dense quail]

Nope

P90 and mp5 are the best guns in the game

[vital grove]

imagine not using a 338 machine gun for room clearing

[twin spade]

this is one way to look at it, but i'd argue you're glossing over it. SMGs are effective in the real world

[mint compass]

I don't think the first thing going through anybody's head when they get shot at is "oh it's just a .22" or "oh it's just 5.7" lmao

[wintry crescent]

Like If you want to meta gun in ready or not which is generally cringe fo for g36 with "no recoil" attachments and you have laser beam 5.56 which you will get bored of from how easy it is

[vital grove]

nah i would

[mint compass]

boolets hurty

[vital grove]

i simply wouldnt let small rounds effect me

[mint compass]

so real and true

[twin spade]

i mean you build up resistance over time like anything, start small and work your ways upwards until you develop resistance to larger rounds

[vital grove]

ive also been shooting myself with small calibers like 22 to build up an immunity

[dense quail]

Resist a 9 to the head

[median zinc]

There was a guy on /k/ who tried that starting with pellet guns and then ended up in the hospital with a 22 short in his calf muscle

[mint compass]

I've unlocked 100% of my brain, I just stop the rounds before they hit me, ez victory

[wintry crescent]

To me they're in game too, put on full auto just like they should be and they drop things. And generally in real life if you got person with Kevlar they won't be so effective against them too. Would hurt and stagger but not kill. Break ribs maybe but they won't drop from that because of adrenaline pump in the body

[twin spade]

this is the first thing that made me snort out loud tonight, congrats

[vital grove]

i know a dude who shot himself with 38 rat shot to win an argument

[wintry crescent]

So like just like in real life if you take jhp against unarmoured with smg it does just as good as anything

[mint compass]

but you cannot snort, your name beef, cow don't snort, pig do, smelly

[vital grove]

eh a rifle hollow point will always do better than a pistol hollow point

[median zinc]

Thing is if you take a hit to the helmet you get the blurred screen and tunnel vision effect, ai doesn't seem to get injured until they're down

[twin spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6L8WKcz2y0 factcheck

[wintry crescent]

True that

[vital grove]

unless its something like 44 magnum

or 454 casull, also .500 is technically a pistol caliber

[mint compass]

NOOO you beat me with facts and logic

[twin spade]

😢 sorry

[mint compass]

is okie I forgive you friending :D

[cinder stratus]

wrist breaker

[vital grove]

honestly not really if you hold it right

[proven summit]

For the weak

[wintry crescent]

No they don't really but I got acustomed to it throughout hours of this game. Suppressing them would be cool but if AI would be as suppressed and blind as iam the game would be way to easy for me. On other hand we can stagger them but they can't us

[vital grove]

hehe 9 bang go bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang

[cinder stratus]

its not really practical, I am 6'4 210, and you pretty much just let it come up, you fight it, you risk it swinigin in to you.

[vital grove]

oh yea it isnt practical at all

[cinder stratus]

that being said I will use it for home defense

[wintry crescent]

I bet if AI could complain there would be a whole thread about player having too much health and stunning unfairly

[twin spade]

that's actually one thing the game really should have - a difficulty setting lol

then the hardcore and the casual players could be happy without having to mod games, or you could choose a different levels of AI for each level based on their organization/skill level

[vital grove]

also 10mm is way better

[median zinc]

44 mag is kinda the upper limit of remotely practical (and id contend if you need more than 357 or 10mm you should have a long gun)

[cinder stratus]

10mm is a gimmick

[median zinc]

10mm has a place, big bear country where it's impractical to carry a long gun

[twin spade]

i mean, i wouldn't use 10mm on a bear lol, but for mountain lion sure

10mm is nice but it tends to tumble from a glock and go all wild depending on the cartridge

[wintry crescent]

Well that's where modding comes for rescue, there's great mode called here I come that let's you choose what kind of suspects you want. Different from roleplay to super hardcore

[torpid gust]

애들아 서포트 구매자 23일 몇시부터 할수있니

[twin spade]

after i beat the game i found this one and i love this mod 🙂

but it shouldn't require modding in order to access imo

[cinder stratus]

.357 is my go-to, or maybe a 5.7

[wintry crescent]

Ok if there's one thing to shit on in this game is 10 mil mp5 being kinda piss

[median zinc]

10mm I'd plenty for bear defense, it's just harder to make the shots with any handgun

[mint compass]

real

[cinder stratus]

Granted a shotgun with 00 buck does the job too,

[vital grove]

10mm being bad is a fbi psyop bc their soft effeminate hands couldnt handle the recoil bc they were using too much lotion on their wives' boyfriends

its literally a bear round

[twin spade]

i mean 10mm also broke all the 1911s it was rechambered in, and polymer pistols at the time were still trash tier

[vital grove]

thats bc 1911s are bad

[cinder stratus]

2011's thooooo

[wintry crescent]

Well who knows maybe in future updates. Right now game sort of makes difficullty of suspects depending on map which I like because it's less lazy approach rather than a slider. Idea of March guys will give you proper wooping at least before AI got nerfed to shit but even now they're force to be taken seriously

[twin spade]

i mean, it's a 113 year old gun it's not bad its just outdated - great for decoration and sport shooting though

[vital grove]

2011s arent 1911s, if they were theyd have parts compatibility

[viscid vale]

Mf in Commander mode becomes stressed so quick I had to bring a beanbag shotgun on the next mission to calm their ass.

[vital grove]

the M2 machine gun is also around that age

[cinder stratus]

its biggest fallback is size and capacity

[median zinc]

They fixed it in 1911's by notching out where they were cracking 🤣

[vital grove]

SA only, its inherently unsafe to be cocked and locked, grip safety

[wintry crescent]

His honest reaction: sorry for not liking killing humans bruv

[twin spade]

100%

[vital grove]

are criminals human tho?

[wintry crescent]

They scream like ones when they die 😎

[cinder stratus]

Yeah, don

[humble sedge]

Depends what type of criminal

[vital grove]

jaywalkers

[cinder stratus]

Don't get me started on sigz

[twin spade]

i'd still rather have a 1911 than a p320 though

[vital grove]

people who buy gas mowers and use them at 7am

[humble sedge]

Yea they’re good. Thats just an infraction. Not a crime

[humble sedge]

No. They all need to die.

[viscid vale]

Tbh, I have mixed feelings about some suspects.

[vital grove]

cyclists

[cinder stratus]

people who buy electric mowers

[humble sedge]

Road targets

[twin spade]

suns out mowers out dude

[vital grove]

hey my mower is electric, it also uses lasers to auto adjust the blade height so i dont scalp my lawn

[wintry crescent]

Amos voll be like: inflation so high I gotta do some freaky shit to make a living

[humble sedge]

Probation only

[cinder stratus]

that sounds expensive

[twin spade]

i had an electric mower, and it died

now i'm back to the old 2 stroke 🙂

[vital grove]

dont remind me

[twin spade]

i mow at 730 to split the difference

[viscid vale]

I'd personally have no remorse killing the terrorists, but only them. The rest I have some mixed feeling if I think a bit about it.

[cinder stratus]

whats it called

[wintry crescent]

Wtf, what about like 4 maps about child abuse and 2 about human trafficking

[viscid vale]

Also them.

And it's not only child abuse. Dude straight up killed them and stuffed them in the barrel.

[humble sedge]

I’d keep them alive and torture them first before killing them.

[vital grove]

luba 2 awd 5000

[wintry crescent]

Yeaaah... That's why everyone doesn't "prefer" To take him alive

[cinder stratus]

exposed robot mower

[vital grove]

the mower is more expensive than some of my rifles

[cinder stratus]

How much does it get done in a charge, been looking at getting a robot,

[mint compass]

My grandparents have a robot mower lol

[twin spade]

RTK+vision is a good setup for robot mower

[cinder stratus]

I am on 1 1/2 acres, and I have been lookin around

[vital grove]

i have a medium sized lawn so it doesnt use much

[twin spade]

you can kind of DIY something to keep costs lower https://www.ardumower.de/en/ fwiw

[humble sedge]

I have a Toro time cutter for my property which isn’t huge. Not the best zero turn but it has cup holders for beers

[vital grove]

child labor is probably cheaper

[cinder stratus]

I got a John Deer E170 and it works good for me, just would rather take the money I spend on gas and maintenece and have a robot do it for me.

[vital grove]

you posted a meme 12 years ago that john deer didnt like you cant mow anymore

[cinder stratus]

its "Quick Oil change" feature broke off and I have been rebuilding that engine every few days, almost finished.

[twin spade]

just download some ukrainian firmware and it'll bypass that

[viscid vale]

Guys, who's the best looking Asian character in this game in your opinion?

[vital grove]

[forest geyser]

ue5 when👀

[cinder stratus]

it broke off because a freak of nature branch, was able to not only get under the cover, but then bent the little oil filter AIO oil system,and it has been broken since.

[twin spade]

ue5 isnt going to improve graphics just so you know lol, but it should reduce stuttering (maybe)
and it comes when the DLC gets released

[agile tiger]

There'll be lots of improvements

[vital grove]

fellas whats more important, gun parts or the stickers you get

[forest geyser]

Reduce stuttering and improving graphics rendering efficiency is what I need

[twin spade]

so just a couple days 🙂

[forest geyser]

😂👍🏻

[vital grove]

tomorrow, july 23ed

[twin spade]

yeah but i'm planning on it being buggy on day 1 lol

[vital grove]

thats a good point

[twin spade]

i can be pleasantly surprised, but it will be surprise haha

and that's not even really a jab against RoN team, i don't think its easy to find all the issues when you swap over engines and rush through your testing to try and get it out

[harsh edge]

@rigid bone can I join the police ama? I can verify my LEO status 🥺

[vital grove]

(hes the kid they keep around cause they find him funny)

[rigid bone]

We full up fren

[harsh edge]

Some days I feel like I'm 100% that coworker that only has a job cause everyone likes me and I never fuck up anything to ooooo bad

[harsh edge]

Why do you hate me I saved myself for you

[livid karma]

every day of my existence in the military

[twin spade]

now go back and sweep the motorpool in the rain again

[vital grove]

my experience was usually "im going to kill these airmen"

[livid karma]

me doing the third fod walk of the day (a chief got an ARI)

[twin spade]

in retrospect, airforce > everything else in terms of QoL

[harsh edge]

"Were thinking of firing that guy."

"Whhhhhaaaaat? No way. He's the funniest dude in the office there's like 3 guys who didn't kill themselves because they were too busy laughing at one of his stupid ass jokes"

"Yeah, you right, plus there's worse guys we can get rid of"

[twin spade]

too bad I didn't airforce 😦

[vital grove]

i was security forces, the only air force thing i got was AC that only worked half the time

[livid karma]

i'm navy and i wish i joined the air force

[harsh edge]

Diet cop. Just one calorie

[vital grove]

you post your issued rifle and ill post the one i had

[livid karma]

my barracks ac and heat was out for two years straight

[twin spade]

and the DFACs you guys had were way better than army ones

[harsh edge]

You shut your face 😠

[wintry crescent]

Now real question is RoE breaking or acceptable casualties?

[vital grove]

[livid karma]

it was 90 degrees in the summer in my room, then 25 degrees in the winter

[vital grove]

army meatloaf is good tho

[twin spade]

should've got married to a professional dancer and lived off base

[harsh edge]

Depends. Sometimes I feel like RON makes things an unlawful UOF that in irl wouldn't be for the sake of balance, other times the UOF rules are 110% spot on and work really well

[livid karma]

i had so many opportunities to do so

now i'm about to make e5 and there's not a reason to

[harsh edge]

Like one time we CSd a room and I unloaded the beanbag shotgun into a suspect because he wouldn't drop his gun

[twin spade]

then its about time to get the charger at 18% interest

[vital grove]

justified

altho as an MP we would have just shot the guy with a regular gun

[harsh edge]

And every shot after like the 2nd registered an UUOF, when in fact that's justified because deadly force would be justified, an ongoing attempt at less lethal would be justified AF

[livid karma]

almost did the other day 😂 ended payin a dude in my barracks 1k for his old ass honda crv

[wintry crescent]

That time I shot dead crackhead over 300 times with friends, so damn realistic. We also yelled stop resisting so thing will be clear

[vital grove]

also beanbag shotguns dont work if you have thick clothing

[twin spade]

this is why you're going to make e5 and not stay e4 forever 😉

[livid karma]

this is true

[harsh edge]

Saw a dude on police activity get beamed in the chest with a bean bag shell infront of a McDonald's and he fuggin died

[vital grove]

solar plexus?

[livid karma]

but it also means my shamming days are over unfortunately

[harsh edge]

Guess you can say he took it in the McRibs

[twin spade]

yeah its not nonlethal its less-lethal for a reason

[livid karma]

i'm gonna miss being a shitbag 🖖

[harsh edge]

I wanna get certified on bean bag shotgun so bad

[wintry crescent]

You aren't dying you just less dying

[vital grove]

do you have to be shot with one

[slim hill]

SixtyAteWhiskey Getting recognition from void my day has been made most beautiful community ever

[harsh edge]

Yall ever met one of those security guards who wants so badly to be a cop? They're my favorite cause they won't realize you're making fun of them until like 10 minutes after you part company.

[wintry crescent]

In the balls 💀

[harsh edge]

Negative.

[vital grove]

i looked forward to getting tazed, pepper spray however fuck that, which is ironic cause i also loved the gas chamber

[harsh edge]

Boi you nasty

I got with an air force guy once, craziest weekend of my life.

[vital grove]

getting tazed really isnt bad, also i literally let my sgt shoot me for 50 bucks

[twin spade]

some people are immune to CS 🤷‍♂️

[harsh edge]

Wish it would've worked out fr damn.

[wintry crescent]

Gotta feel how the guy feels on receiving side for the true joy

[vital grove]

oh im not i just used to date latinas so i have a tolerance

[harsh edge]

Air force got the best twinks and I will die on that hill

[vital grove]

nah we did it safely, we used rifle plates and a .40

[vital grove]

straightest civilian cop

[harsh edge]

😔

[twin spade]

i'm suspicious of police ... of the 3 guys i chaptered out of the army with other than honorable for failure to hack it at basic shit over and over and over, 2 became police soon afterwards

[vital grove]

how tf did they get a gov job with other than honorable

even if its local gov

[twin spade]

i have no idea - i know that after some time they can appeal it and get it upgraded to honorable

[vital grove]

altho my uncle had a ssgt who pissed hot 3 times for coke and retired at 23 years during the GWOT

[harsh edge]

I settled a lawsuit with the police I get people being sus of us.

Truth be told, I never care much about the opinions of the public. I do my job fairly and professionally, try to help people and follow what the law allows me to do. I'm as kind as gracious as the context allows, and if someone endangers me or a member of the public I answer it decisively, forcefully and without hesitation. If you act with honor, courage and self control, the publics opinion will never matter.

[vital grove]

im gonna throw acorns at your car

[harsh edge]

SHOTS FIRED

[twin spade]

I mean I don't even live stateside anymore, i travel and live abroad for quite a while now, so don't take my opinion as the sole truth - and despite two shitbags there's also plenty of good cops too. It's actually one of the good things about bodycams imo - but either way it's a good attitude you got

[vital grove]

my local pd sucks, my buddy invited me to a range day and i did better in the shoothouse than the swat guys

[harsh edge]

Too many guys don't spend enough time on the range.

[vital grove]

theyre full time swat

[harsh edge]

My last quals I shot a 244/250 on my pistol (3 shots from the 25 yard line hit the stomach area), and 250/250 on my rifle.

[vital grove]

they arent patrol officers that get called in

[harsh edge]

And those 3 shots in the stomach piss me off to this day.

[vital grove]

skill issue

[twin spade]

local pd be like it do sometimes

[harsh edge]

I'll skill your issue

[vital grove]

ill stand 26m away

[harsh edge]

Daddy-

[twin spade]

i think you should flex your power on the guy who forgot his id in their PC instead

[harsh edge]

Red dots are magical God they make you so much faster

[twin spade]

until the battery runs out

[harsh edge]

Cowitnessed iron sights 🥺

[twin spade]

then i give my blessing

[harsh edge]

Red dots don't do much for your actual marksmanship, that tends to come from having solid fundamentals and a good foundation. A red dot will tighten your group and increase your speed

Which hey, good things especially shooting under stress, but it won't give you the fundamentals of marksmanship if you lack them

[twin spade]

make sure to anticipate the recoil, that's the best for accuracy i've heard

[harsh edge]

[twin spade]

actually one word of advice i could offer - if you have a flashlight you're using make sure to grab something with a high CRI value, probably a custom light (I was lucky enough to grab pflexpro lights when they were around, but there's similar ones still around the internet)

[vital grove]

nah you dont need a weapon light

[twin spade]

i mean a flashlight bro - like handheld

[vital grove]

i see just fine in the dark i know my house

[twin spade]

i went to a night shooting range with a local PD and the difference between this fancy but cheap pflexpro light and a shitty surefire that cost 4x as much was quite a lot, even though the brightness was the same its easier to see the colors and they look right, which helps with recognizing things quickly

[vital grove]

hey hey hey i will not stand for surefire slander

[keen moss]

do we at all know if this game will come to PS5 ever?

[twin spade]

just chill out on candlepowerforums and let the flashlight nerds knowledge seep into you

[vital grove]

i use surefire lights lol

well on my edc i have a streamlight

[cinder stratus]

unpopular opinion, but WML (wep mou light) are really not something you have to go crazy on, I got a cheap one for my A300UP and it has served me well, and cost a fraction, however all my rifles have mod lights

[vital grove]

i just have a glock 45 with night sights and a streamlight, if i have to dome a crackhead i have like a 12% chance of getting it back im not gonna carry a 3k staccato

[cinder stratus]

I want to get a staccato so bad

I cant wait for ten years from now when I can pick up a used KAC SR-16, but that wont be for a while sadly.

[vital grove]

they will be 14k in 10 years

[cinder stratus]

😭

PSA are better 🤓

[vital grove]

as someone who works for psa, dont buy psa

[cinder stratus]

I have one, not a fan, likely going to sell it.

Want to get a DD but the wallet department is lacking.

[vital grove]

the saber is the only line worth considering for a range trash gun

[charred harbor]

PSA is the cheap ones right(Im not american sorry if Im wrong)

[cinder stratus]

Oh its definatly a good range gun

[vital grove]

dd is overpriced OEM trash

[cinder stratus]

"brand name good" "training bad"

[runic aspen]

So what’s the best budget AR in y’all opinion (under 1K)

[vital grove]

bcm upper aero lower

with magpul furniture

[cinder stratus]

bushmaster xm-15 is good for HD

[charred harbor]

an NVG worth more than the average person makes in a year will make you better at shooting, trust the process

[vital grove]

as someone whos used nods, yes

[cinder stratus]

"what do you mean training/understanding your weapon system actualy makes or breaks an engament"

I had a shop try to sell my sister a derrenger for CC

[vital grove]

the thing about nods is to be able to walk with them you need to train

[charred harbor]

as in....the pop pistols?

[cinder stratus]

AS in the .22 two shot tiny things

[charred harbor]

😭 you went to the wild west

[vital grove]

everything is slightly zoomed in with nods so youre stumbling around until you get used to it

you also have no peripheral vision

[cinder stratus]

How is the adjustment from taking them on and off.

[vital grove]

horrible

the light from the nods completely ruins your natural night vision

[neon thorn]

Hey, I really want to buy ready or not but it's too expensive in macedonia even with the sale

the price in north macedonia (minimum wage is 400$ a month) is the same as germany (minimum wage 1500$ a month)

at least have some balance, i will give you 20 euros with no problem but make it fair

we don't make as much as germany

[burnt parrot]

Will people who have the supporter edition get this DOC for free?

DLC*

[glass mulch]

yes

[devout mulch]

Yes, just this one

[burnt parrot]

Thank you

[round mulch]

Can i make a small request to @rigid bone and others of the team? Can you please publish those announcement messages in the discord? I‘m using the channel follow feature of discord to post announcements of different games and stuff on my discord server and i‘d like the RON announcements also be posted. Thank you very much and looking forward for the dlc 🙂

[oblique grove]

does anyone know the knew specs once we get on UE5

[modest fern]

From my understanding it shouldn't be changing much besides I think windows 10+ being req

[rigid bone]

I apologize, I thought I hit the switch

[round mulch]

No worries and thank you 🙂

[rigid bone]

:>

[oak falcon]

M249 yet?

[modest fern]

Yes... just not for you

[oak falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/onizuka-smoking-smoke-cigarette-cry-gif-5458579

Wow embed fail

[harsh edge]

UwU

[wind hinge]

How much does the dlc cost?

[glass mulch]

9.99

[waxen latch]

check pins

[harsh edge]

You're a pin 😠

[wind hinge]

How many maps is it going to have?

[glass mulch]

3 maps

3 new weapons which are free for the base game

[waxen latch]

Again, check pins or newsletter

[wind hinge]

Thanks bro

[glass mulch]

any time

[wicked tundra]

yo theres a new dlc?

[glass mulch]

yes

it releases tommorow.

[wicked tundra]

cool cool how much is it?

[glass mulch]

9.99, there's pins and and annoucement in #announcements

[wicked tundra]

where are pinned msgs??

[glass mulch]

here

[wicked tundra]

delete this

aight bro ur my goat fr

[glass mulch]

uh ok...

[wicked tundra]

will get u the dlc for the help msg me and lmk bro 🔥 💯

[thin yacht]

what time is it gonna be online for east usa

[wicked tundra]

4 pm

[glass mulch]

18hrs on steam..... would be 4pm EST

[wicked tundra]

way to go Linch. blatantly stealing information from me.

[glass mulch]

i'm sorry

[wicked tundra]

nws bro

[glass mulch]

thanks for the offer but i got supporters edition way back when and will be getting dlc free

[thin yacht]

is it gonna be a massive update to ue5 with dlc or no

[wicked tundra]

yo what??

[glass mulch]

you editied that

[glass mulch]

yes it will include UE5

how big it will be we don't know

[oak falcon]

M249?

[glass mulch]

what about a M249?

[oak falcon]

Is it included?

[glass mulch]

no, only weapons that are coming are.... FN 509, MP17 PDW and DM4 PDW

[static ingot]

Supporter edition users get it for free

[wicked tundra]

shoulda been there for the older edit of that msg

[glass mulch]

it was NOT funny

[static ingot]

[random roost]

The game needs a simple hold fire button. There are many objectives to capture someone alive, but unless you tell your team to fuck off into a corner, you don't have control over it a lot of the time. They will smoke the HVT without ever giving you a chance to go less-lethal. It would be nice if you could equip someone with less-lethal, and swap your team between weapons free, less lethal only, and hold fire.

[glass mulch]

did you give the rest of the team less lethal?

[modest fern]

I want to say that when you tell them to deploy taser/ltl that the other swat stop shooting

but i'm not 100% on that one tbh

I do wish the swat ai stood a bit farther behind cover when stacking, they have a habit of shooting people while another throws flash, but I also don't want them to stand there and get shot if they can help it.

[glass mulch]

that i can agree too

i usually just give less lethal and take away pistol ammo

[fleet granite]

Do we know what time the DLC goes live on Steam?

[modest fern]

There is a countdown on the dlc page

[fleet granite]

Oh missed that Ty

[frosty kestrel]

guys are you ready for home invasion or not

[glass mulch]

as i can be

[frosty kestrel]

im not im going to vietnam

[topaz flower]

Is that 4:00PM PST?

[lean mountain]

My home is ready to be invaded

[glass mulch]

1pm pst

[topaz flower]

HAHA

[fleet granite]

3pm EST

[topaz flower]

Gotcha! Thanks!

[lean mountain]

I would like 1 home invasion please. Light ice

[glass mulch]

lol

[runic aspen]

so I did ides of march mission and had to soft complete cuz omg so much bugged AI

[glass mulch]

how did the ai bug? what happened?

back in the earlier 90s for sega genesis yes

[proven summit]

Yes, SNES had one iirc.

[spare vault]

Hi

[tidal dune]

I hope they keep updating and improving this game it’s so good

[fresh pewter]

are we getting an update with the dlc

[rigid bone]

@umbral valve
Tomorrow. :)

[waxen latch]

#💬general-discussion message

[runic aspen]

most of my missions the AI are bugged i dont get it

[rigid bone]

We will gather a list of questions form those submitted in #leo-ama-questions, the participants will choose a batch of questions from that list that they're comfortable answering, then day-of we will open up the Stage on Discord and have the AMA there. It'll be broadcasted on our Twitch as well, and afterwards it'll be annotated and uploaded to our Youtube channel

[waxen latch]

we will have a surprise guest

John Void Interactive himself

[glass mulch]

insert John cena theme here

[finite garnet]

NAH I gotta wait till 3pm EST 😦

[dapper marten]

what about Jhon Ready or Not

[wary yoke]

JHON RON, ARE YOU READY FOR THE VOID OR NOT

[trim raven]

Is the 1.1 dropping my first thing tomorrow or still alongside the DLC at a delayed time?

[modest fern]

I believe Kaminsky said it isn't 1.1, but the free update still includes UE5 and lots of bug fixes/QOL.

[trim raven]

Will the balaclava be added in this s free update then or no?

[modest fern]

Yes

[trim raven]

Ok so I’m assuming his free update will be delayed and dropped alongside the dlc then?

[wary yoke]

mod tools?

[modest fern]

The free update is launching with the DLC, it just isn't 1.1

SDK doesn't have a timeline atm

[trim raven]

Gotcha thanks

[modest fern]

it's on their radar as part of the UE5 upgrade

[dapper marten]

how expensive is the dlc

[modest fern]

To rephrase, it's on their record to add later on now that the game is UE5.

$10

[dapper marten]

thx

[wary yoke]

we'll still be able to mod the game similar to the UE4 build?

or is it a complete overhaul?

[modest fern]

No idea since I don't know what it is like to mod as is, I do know they've been working with modders though to prepare for the transition. I dunno if anything major is changing besides the game being in UE5.

[wary yoke]

Alright, thanks

[trim raven]

Do you know how drastically the visuals will change? Or if this is just a sort of software update to help the team

[modest fern]

I don't think the game will improve majorly graphic wise, maybe subtle stuff. The point of the update was to get access to UE5s optimization tools for now, as well as their dev tools for the future. It'll include stuff like better optimization and pso caching, so stuttering should be reduced.

[trim raven]

Thanks man

[waxen latch]

more like futureproofing

more than anything else

and the game doesnt look like an ue5 game in my opinion. Like many releasing right now that aim for hyperrealism and end up looking saturated

it still looks like ron

[modest fern]

Which if you ask me is fine, I would vomit if RoN turned into a photo real game in any way

literally and figuratively

That's too bad!!

No mirror 4 you

[rigid bone]

Correct, this isn't 1.1

It's more like 1.01, loads of bug fixes to get us onto the path of 1.1

[modest fern]

We'll call it the Road to Los Suenos

[harsh edge]

UwU

[wary yoke]

speaking of QOL, are we finally gonna have the customization settings separate from where we interact? (i.e Changing room lockers = clothing, office workshop = guns and gear, etc)

[dapper marten]

why do you want that

[modest fern]

That's a Kaminsky question

[rigid bone]

To prevent people from getting stuck on each other

[short sapphire]

Hi everyone what’s going on here

[harsh edge]

I wanna get stuck on you Kam sama @rigid bone

[modest fern]

Oh wait, I misunderstood the question, still idk. There are plenty of weapon spots if you ask me

[dapper marten]

its a lot more convenient to just go to the locker room next to the briefing room

[modest fern]

There's like one in the range, two in the lockerroom, and I think two downstairs

actually 2 in the range including the gun master

[rigid bone]

You can change both your gear and equipment at any of the 6 nodes in the station

[harsh edge]

[rigid bone]

You're not limited to certain zones, never have been

[modest fern]

Plus with 1.0 changing it that you can ready up anywhere, there isn't an excuse besides laziness tbh

[short sapphire]

I mean he’s got a point there

[rigid bone]

I mean, fair

Also heyo Roy

[short sapphire]

Hi Kaminsky

U like my shirt

[rigid bone]

👍

[short sapphire]

👍

[harsh edge]

Kam chah likes my shirt

[rigid bone]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[short sapphire]

Yall excited for the dlc

[heavy dune]

Can we address the usage of AI in the game? (Texture assets, machine captions, voiceover)

Will they ever be replaced with real talent?

[short sapphire]

Theres ai voice lines? I volunteer to replace them

[silver goblet]

does the dlc come out midnight

[heavy dune]

I don't think there's AI voice lines, but I think the trailer used AI voice for the newscaster

[short sapphire]

Last I checked it was 12 pm pst tmr

[rigid bone]

The machine captions are automatically generated, that's just something that's been baked into UE since forever.
The voice in the trailer was used without our sound directors knowledge and full stop won't happen again. He really wasn't happy about it.
The AI stuff in the station is part meme-part misused placeholder, the stuff in Streamer is intentional

[short sapphire]

That’s actually pretty interesting to know

[waxen latch]

thanks for the clarification on the second point

[modest fern]

I want you guys to make up for it by making the gun poster a real gun

I would use it

[short sapphire]

Wait what

[heavy dune]

Thanks for the the clarification about the trailer. Whether or not it is intentional, I don't think the usage of AI reflects well on the development. It's lazy and I don't think there should be any excuses now that the game is no longer in early access.

[rigid bone]

I don't really consider auto annotations to be AI mostly because it's not based on LLM tech like chatgpt or LGM tech like stable diffusion and its clones, but I do agree that the other two points shouldn't have gotten two the point that they did [the posters and the trailer]

Correction

[modest fern]

(dramatic pause and dun dun duun)

[rigid bone]

I don't consider them to be AI based on the modern vernacular

[heavy dune]

The annotations definitely aren't as bad, but I assume there is a script written for the voice actors to perform, so it seems kinda odd not to caption voice lines based on what should have already been written.

I also want to make it clear that I'm only concerned because I genuinely enjoy the game and I want the game to do well.

[rigid bone]

Oh, you don't have to explain yourself. You came to this conversation with a clear and even tone, not accusatory, just wanting clarification

[rigid bone]

It's more or less a time constraint, same as the posters. It's on the absolute bottom of the pile to get tended to, passed over for more pressing matters

[waxen latch]

the use in streamer while it may be a good pun or joke on the character as a degenerated from the studios perspective, there is still the argument does making fun of something by doing it make it any less bad than the thing you are making fun of.

but thats another whole discussion

[waxen latch]

i forgot the name of the thing

it has a word

[heavy dune]

Irony?

[waxen latch]

no

[rigid bone]

That rolls into the conversation around the artistic value of irony

[waxen latch]

its like look how bad this is by doing it ourselves

[heavy dune]

Hypocrisy

[rigid bone]

Satire?

[modest fern]

A gamer moment

[rigid bone]

Hypocrisy implies ill intent though

[heavy dune]

But in any case, I appreciate the transparency Kaminsky!

[waxen latch]

it has a name, i just cant remember it

but its a form of fallacy

[rigid bone]

I don't think it is

[severe dagger]

as long as gun go pew i am ok with game 👍

[waxen latch]

most neutral and peaceful take

[rigid bone]

Hey, that's literally what I'm here to do.
I've worked with a lot of companies over the years, VOID is genuinely the best I've worked with in how they want to treat the consumer. The problem is that in creating a healthy internal culture [good work/life balance, not over hiring, trying their best to produce fair value] their ability to produce at the pace that most consumers are used to is greatly diminished

[celest arch]

AI is gigabased. I want more AI in games.

[rigid bone]

[modest fern]

I heard of this new game called Overwatch 2... I heard they're releasing PVE soon

[latent rampart]

i need help how do i get the "Pending money" into my account

help me

[rigid bone]

You wait

[latent rampart]

it said wait six hours

[rigid bone]

Could be more depending on when your bank closes or when the sending bank closes

[stable silo]

idk if this question has been answered before but when/how do supporters edition owners get the first dlc put into their accounts

[latent rampart]

ok

i am on the last level and i need this dlc

[lavish coral]

as a tank main, playing that game since OW2 feels like more of a chore than being actually fun

[modest fern]

It will be auto deposited

[stable silo]

ah okay so no keys or bullshit

[modest fern]

I get genuine enjoyment watching the rant videos of OW2 players suffering and still playing

[rigid bone]

[stable silo]

thank fucking god 🙏

[shadow shard]

And tbf their issues with communication/transparency are still there. :P

[lavish coral]

i stopped playing, its a god awful game and it makes me genuinely sad what its come too. I used to absolutely love it

[shadow shard]

But I'm happy to see them being addressed.

Mmm cookies on a fine morning.

[modest fern]

I was never a diehard OW fan, I got into the game on launch of OW1 because I bought into the story cinematics and had some fun, but then just stopped because I felt it got repetitive

But watching Blizzard kick itself in the ass repeatedly is the best thing ever

[karmic brook]

Does anyone know what time the DLC launches?

Nevermind 15 hours based on the Steam Store

So like 3pm EST

[stable silo]

erm it’s actually 15 hours 47 minutes ☝️🤓

[karmic brook]

Oh 4 pm EST.

[stable silo]

4 pm

[karmic brook]

Thanks, was hoping it would be earlier.

[stable silo]

i was praying for the fabled midnight release

[waxen latch]

content creation

bound to join Davey jones crew

[karmic brook]

Same, I was down to stay up crazy late tonight if it was gonna release early. Took tomorrow off work lol

[stable silo]

me too lol but it is what it is

[lavish coral]

agreed

[stable silo]

what company is worse (in terms of what they make) ea or bethesda?

[karmic brook]

The Lilies Eyes account is a part of that Carcosa arg right?

[glass mulch]

yes

[waxen latch]

hard to say

but im pretty certain that EA is pretty bad overall

[karmic brook]

Ah, weird how their account existed for three years longer than they've been in this server.

[waxen latch]

across the board

[glass mulch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

oh! that's cause they used that account for an older ARG during EA

[karmic brook]

EA for sure, their sports games and the DLC situation for The Sims 4 are what cement that for me.

[karmic brook]

Two args damn. Did either see a conclusion?

[short sapphire]

There’s a new arg?

[stable silo]

i’d say bethesda is worse across the board but people just don’t talk about it as much for some reason

maybe i’m just salty because they ruined the fuck out of fallout in all of their games and then made a tv show that ruins everything even more though

[karmic brook]

Yeah I thought it was just the Carcosa one.

[modest fern]

I would say EA, but they're all around that level pretty much. At least Ubisoft, Take2, major publishers now

[stable silo]

ubisoft has definitely taken the throne for worst publisher/dev yeah

[modest fern]

My father wanted to get back into gaming with the Sims 4, saw that they have $1.3k worth of DLC and went fuck that

[stable silo]

💀

my dad just plays the pga tour and strategy games

[storm cobalt]

halelulija

[smoky loom]

didnt an EA CEO propose monetising reloading in battlefield? having to pay money for every single reload of your gun. the guy who proposed it then was CEO for unity engine and thats how their monetising of their engine started im pretty sure

yeah id take bethesda in a heartbeat

[stable silo]

nah ea isn’t as dishonest though

todd howard and pete hines are like the biggest liars in the industry

[smoky loom]

id rather ea be a liar than force me to pay $1 per reload

[modest fern]

EA is the master of monetizing sports into video games and still getting people to buy the same game each year, but worse, despite them all complaining about the prior one

[stable silo]

do you have to pay a dollar to reload? or was that just some dumb idea a higher up floated that would never get implemented anyway

[forest geyser]

how to reset graphics

cuz my game is stuck due to the graphics configuration

[modest fern]

It was an idea they floated in an investor call

Well, I think more of a figurative idea.

[smoky loom]

google it, it caused alot of news articles to be published around 2012 and im pretty sure it was public backlash that caused the idea to be burned to the ground once the news hit the general public

i just checked and i think it was more of a general idea on how to pressure people into paying money in small increments (making people pay to reload in a big firefight)

[stable silo]

my point isn’t that it didn’t exist, it’s that that was an idea that would never have survived because if it was implemented battlefield wouldn’t be an alive franchise right now

[modest fern]

I think it's more a metaphor for getting players addicted to something to the point of becoming a solid cash flow, even if it is predatory.

[shadow shard]

Gacha exists. :P

[stable silo]

yeah sure but loot boxes that were implemented across all their games is a better example imo

[smoky loom]

yes but it still sets the precedent for the company right? companies cant just float these ideas around and nobody care until its actually implemented

[runic aspen]

12:30am in my timezone specifically and the update isnt out this is an outrage ‼️

[stable silo]

companies float ideas all of the time, it’s just that there are good and bad ideas in a corporate environment

[modest fern]

Counter point, companies can float these ideas around to investors to get more shaderholder money and still make profit, because EA is still very much a profitable (game sale wise) company.

[stable silo]

yeah exactly

[runic aspen]

are we talking about electronic arts or early access

[modest fern]

Arts

[runic aspen]

oh\

[stable silo]

my problem with bethesda is that they are completely dishonest when it comes to what they release, and each time the games are wholly disappointing and worse than the last one

[idle steppe]

Hey guys, does anyone know what timezone the AMA is held this Saturday?

[modest fern]

The announcement is coded to show you what time based on your timezone (as your PC knows it)

[smoky loom]

i mean if a company was to have said this in 2024 this would still make the news, its still something that shouldnt have been floated around in the first place, its not just a bad idea, its absurd

[runic aspen]

you just described the entire triple A industry

[teal knot]

triple a game moment

[idle steppe]

Oh sweet!, nice. I remember they mentioned that for another live event. Thank-you, Casual. C:

[modest fern]

Yeah, but we're talkin about the age of bad news for every game. Every big release gets thrashed (rightfully if it has big issues), and they still make profit. They face scandals such as employee abuse, the game still sells and the CEO still gets bonuses

[stable silo]

why does bethesda get a pass then

[runic aspen]

its definitely not just bethesda that keeps falling shorter & shorter with each new release, im hoping square enix with just cause 5 & unknown worlds with subnautica 2 (3? idk) dont follow the same trend

[stable silo]

everything they release from old ips, new ips, tv shows, they all suck yet people still glaze the shit out of them

[modest fern]

I don't know if it's true, but I saw some stuff about Bethesda taking down an art station related to Elder Scrolls 6

[runic aspen]

thats insane

[modest fern]

take that as you will considering it was a reddit post

[harsh edge]

SCP Crossover when.

[modest fern]

I didn't dig into it since I'm not a skyrim person

[stable silo]

never 👎

[runic aspen]

tbh ive never really been into bethesda outside of skyrim so i wouldnt really know but i do follow quite a few dev studios and its saddening to see alot of them following the same trend

[harsh edge]

Judge is a member of Mobile Task Force Iota-10 "Damn Feds" confirmed.

[smoky loom]

but this is bad news that directly affects the gamers wallet, if the next battlefield was priced at $300, noone would buy it, if it was news that didnt directly affect peoples wallets, (employee abuse, bad ports etc) people will still buy it, maybe a lesser amount, but still a lot

[harsh edge]

Los Suenos is an SCP, 110%.

[runic aspen]

krafton causing a PR disaster for UE was definitely something too 😂

[modest fern]

They don't have to price Battlefield at 300, they just have to price it at $70-80 (not including a $120 preorder + masters edition) and then charge you $500+ for in-game transactions

That was kinda the point, once a player is into a game and having fun, then you charge them even more.

[smoky loom]

but ingame transactions are completely optional, the game is still accessible and playable without those

[harsh edge]

😔

[runic aspen]

did someone say something abt a guy wanting to charge people for reloading their gun btw i wanna comment on that

[stable silo]

it’s mostly just fomo

[smoky loom]

a pay to reload scheme literally stops people from playing to pay money

[modest fern]

That's how the convo started yeah

[runic aspen]

playable? maybe, but it seems a big trend with some studios is turning games into ptw

[runic aspen]

thats some truly dystopian shit im not gonna lie

[smoky loom]

ea isnt ptw really

[stable silo]

people are afraid to not get the cool slop item on the store before it goes away

[smoky loom]

most larger companies tend to only keep micro transactions for dlc and ingame cosmetics

[stable silo]

it’s why the fortnite item shop is so successful

[modest fern]

As much as I like HD2, they still don't have to charge per mag, they just have to charge you creatively. For example, HD2s battlepasses, even though you can grind it in-game.

Or they can charge you for a skin, to be able to reload a flashy gun the way you want. It was a metaphor at the end of the day, I don't think they were ever that out of touch to charge per reload

And whether or not we like it, they 100% managed to follow through one way or the other

[runic aspen]

i dont think hd2 warbonds & skins are comparable to charging people per reload

[smoky loom]

with the way that they chose to monetise, where i can play the game without having spent extra money having already bought base game, im happy to play any game with micro transactions, the second it becomes pay to play like some arcade, ill just quit games fully

[runic aspen]

i think what alot of people fail to understand is that these companies arent going to change lol, they arent a sole indie dev or a small studio that prioritizes user enjoyment, they have profit margins and goals that need to be met or people lose their jobs

[stable silo]

you say that

[runic aspen]

if anything theyre going to get worse as expectations from executives and executive boards heighten

[smoky loom]

ea line their pockets every year 😭

[stable silo]

but what happened to star wars battlefront 2 after the outrage?

[runic aspen]

im not familiar with bf2 or EA very much lmao i think the only EA game ive played is spore

[modest fern]

never forget them taking maxis servers offline

[runic aspen]

why god why

[modest fern]

As lame as most of the designs were, you will never be able to play them again

unless you start modding but idk

[runic aspen]

we need a spore 2 lowkey id fw that heavy introducing an entirely new generation to the wonderful world of spore would be fire as hell

[stable silo]

tldr the launch was horrible so many microtransactions etc. and the actually went through and fixed the fundamental issues with the game and how it’s genuinely a fun experience

[stable silo]

although it’s dead now so

[runic aspen]

they only fixed it because it was affecting their bottom line, if it wasnt then they wouldve kept it the exact same

[smoky loom]

never forget EA making actual battle royale slop instead of titanfall 3 ☹️

[runic aspen]

maybe theres a limit on how much they can try to squeeze money out of the average player but that doesnt mean they arent going to constantly try to push it

[stable silo]

okay doesn’t that contradict what you said here though? their bottom line was hurt by the malicious implementation of micro transactions and they had to change to fix the problems

[runic aspen]

thats why i tend to stick to playing games that are either heavily discounted or made by developers with player enjoyment in mind (UA, void (?), etc)

[runic aspen]

my point is that they arent going to change for the sake of user experience, the only way they change is if they can do it to make more profit

[stable silo]

the user experience and profit are linked to an extent

[runic aspen]

linked? maybe, but when they removed all those microtransactions they did it so people would buy the game, not so people would enjoy it

look at the absolutely cookie cutter bullshit alot of major studios are putting out now and tell me that their concern is user experience

[stable silo]

yeah and my point is that the reason doesn’t matter, the response itself does

[runic aspen]

ok but if theyre making these changes with profit in mind then theyre going to find a way to keep pushing the limit

[stable silo]

a corporation will always function as a means to an end, the end being profit nobody disagrees

[runic aspen]

the difference between making these changes with user experience or profit in mind is that when they make a change with profit in mind theyre doing the absolute bare minimum to get people to play their game rather than producing an actually playable game

[stable silo]

okay well why do we blame the corporations then? shouldn’t we blame the people buying the cod points, or the fifa roubles or whatever they’re called

if people didn’t buy them they wouldn’t be sold

[runic aspen]

🤷 ive always seen microtransactions as a huge waste of money and considered anyone who buys them for cosmetic purposes really dumb

i blame both the seller and the buyer in a situation like this

its like how you can blame mcdonalds for producing absolute garbage and blame the person buying it for consuming it

[stable silo]

way i see it, you can blame the seller for having it on the menu, but at the end of the day that is a response to demand from the customer

[runic aspen]

i dont think theres any demand for shitty quality games, i just think it takes a long time for millions of people to change their minds about these companies

the reason people buy mcdonalds is because it tastes good, the reason people buy shitty games from big producers is because it looks good but it turns out to taste real bad

[stable silo]

if there wasn’t demand for shitty quality games then call of duty and fortnite wouldn’t have a player base

[smoky loom]

i understand that you think theyre dumb for buying microtransactions but isnt it really the players choice, like if you dont want it, dont buy it, but if you do want it then buy it? ive bought cosmetics before and i still (years later) dont regret it and i still get enjoyment out of it

[runic aspen]

cool opinion but whats your point

[smoky loom]

why do you think theyre dumb?

[stable silo]

he doesn’t see the point in it

[smoky loom]

how can someone be dumb for buying something they want dude

[runic aspen]

thats really stupid logic

[stable silo]

because sometimes people want dumb things

[smoky loom]

in what world, its a product like any other, if someone wants it, its their money, theyre able to buy it, so let them

[stable silo]

my ex girlfriend had this friend and she’d buy so many little trinkets whenever they’d go out anywhere, people don’t always want things that they need or that benefit them

[smoky loom]

why have a problem with it?

[runic aspen]

apply that same logic to illicit drugs and you'll understand my point

[smoky loom]

i dont have a problem with people using illicit drugs, i have a problem with the dealer, but a game cosmetic, and heroin arent the same

[runic aspen]

fact of the matter is id rather spend that same money on buying a game or additional content for that game

[stable silo]

what’s wrong with the dealer he’s just providing a service that the people want

[severe dagger]

drugs and a toy car are 2 very different things man

[smoky loom]

cool, thats your choice bro not everyones choice, dont call someone dumb because youd do something they wont

[runic aspen]

ok but his logic is "i want it so im going to buy it" and hes stating it in a way that it applies to everything, so why cant i apply it to illicit drugs?

[runic aspen]

ok but i think its dumb if you dont like it then dont talk to me 😂

[severe dagger]

oh i get it

ok guys lets not argue

[stable silo]

because on its own him wanting something and buying it bears no moral weight whereas illicit drugs are a more loaded topic with actual moral implications

[severe dagger]

everyone has their own opinions lets not fight over it

[smoky loom]

im talking about a micro transaction

you cant apply the same logic to everything

[runic aspen]

i like how we're ignoring the point entirely and dogpiling on my poor analogy 😂

[severe dagger]

stop arguing stop arguing stop arguing

[smoky loom]

im not lol its just that youre trying to say my point doesnt make sense by using a poor analogy

[stable silo]

dogpiling on the shit analogy because it made your point stupider

[runic aspen]

the genuine only backing for your point is "i want it so im going to get it"

[stable silo]

yeah and that’s the problem in and of itself you don’t need to compare it to buying meth 😂😂😂

[smoky loom]

no my point is, dont have a problem with someone buying something that they actually want to buy, because you dont want it yourself

[runic aspen]

ok so youre just trying to force your stance on me because you dont like it

[stable silo]

“no judging people for stupid decisions”

[stable silo]

maybe the illicit drugs point was good 🤔

[smoky loom]

what no lol im having a discussion with you and i personally think youre wrong for calling people dumb for buying something they want 😭

[runic aspen]

if youre buying something dumb then im going to call you dumb 🤷 simple as that, once again, if you dont like it, then you have the freedom to just not talk to me

[stable silo]

chad

[runic aspen]

the fact that youre this irritated by a random internet stranger calling people dumb for doing dumb things makes me understand more and more why youre so inclined to do those dumb things

[rigid bone]

[stable silo]

i’m outta here

[severe dagger]

stop arguing

[rigid bone]

Ya'll need to be good.

[harsh edge]

The Mothafuckin KAM

[runic aspen]

yes maam

[smoky loom]

brother i aint irritated im js trying to preach my point to you

[stable silo]

your honour i was NOT a part of this

[severe dagger]

i think he gets the point
stop arguingggggggggggggg

[runic aspen]

your honour i am innocent until proven guilty

[rigid bone]

Incorrect.

All of you are guilty.

[severe dagger]

im the honour and i say everyone shut the fuck up and go take a break

[runic aspen]

shit

[stable silo]

your honour with all due respect it was all those guys

[shadow shard]

"Your honor, shut the fuck up. You wasn't even there."

[runic aspen]

umm actually its spelt honour

[stable silo]

americans

[smoky loom]

🇺🇸

[karmic brook]

[runic aspen]

americans piss me off like just use a normal system of measurement

[smoky loom]

🦅

[shadow shard]

The laziness of typing one extra letter far outweighs the benefits of using British English.

[severe dagger]

i still dont know how many cm is a feet btw

[karmic brook]

When you put a person on the moon.

[stable silo]

realll and perhaps don’t take out letters to save money on publishing

[smoky loom]

british english is superior 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧📈📈📈

[stable silo]

ameripoors

[runic aspen]

acting like your local walmart mobility scooters arent used by a majority of obese people

[severe dagger]

americans are the reason why the elephant mission exists

[rigid bone]

English is a bullshit language

[stable silo]

okay don’t bring up school shootings bro tf

[harsh edge]

Yeah lets not joke about that subject matter?

[rigid bone]

also yeah what the fuck?

[severe dagger]

what

[stable silo]

it’s a lighthearted argument holy shit non americans are crazy

i love being canadian it means i can play both sides of this debate 😎

[smoky loom]

brother that is not a good thing to say ever

[rigid bone]

It's bizzare seeing the meme in action

[shadow shard]

Yeah. No.

I can keep quiet on the unfunny jokes around here but that sentence crosses the line, jokingly or not.

[rigid bone]

like actually what the fuck

[karmic brook]

"They have made a minor joke at the expense of my country, I shall bring up the slaughter of their children in response."

[runic aspen]

ong

[karmic brook]

Lmao same.

[smoky loom]

i love being british where im surrounded by people who make those jokes 😔

[stable silo]

the euros are actually brainrotted on america though

[runic aspen]

lowkey american patriotism is so confusing to me cuz like my walmart doesnt need a surplus of mobility scooters for the rapidly increasing obesity population in my city

whatre you so patriotic about 😭

[rigid bone]

You mean nationalism

[stable silo]

their country isn’t that bad man

[runic aspen]

no i mean patriotism

[karmic brook]

There's a reason that many countries are experiencing a brain drain to the US.

[deft gust]

Not to interupt but I just joined here. Wondering if there are any folks playing that are focused on comms heavy methodical gameplay?

[runic aspen]

as in the pride & love for their country

[shadow shard]

Patriotism is to some extent nationalism if you think about it.

[severe dagger]

me when i turn a beautiful nature reserve into a parking lot with a mcdonald: 🇺🇸

[stable silo]

why not

[rigid bone]

You'll have better luck in #🔎looking-for-players fren

[severe dagger]

ok

[smoky loom]

american patriotism is so confusing and out of touch fr

[deft gust]

thank you

[shadow shard]

Recommend you hop in #🔎looking-for-players instead so you're in a channel that specifically looks for people to play with.

[stable silo]

bro do you know what the national park system is

[rigid bone]

also this, yes.

[karmic brook]

My ARMA group used to do that though we don't play much RoN anymore sadly. Playing with In Game Menu and 16 people was a blast.

[rigid bone]

ARMA group you say

[severe dagger]

nope

[karmic brook]

This was in Beta so we had a black team and an OD green team.

[runic aspen]

patriotism is the pride and love for your country, nationalism is the act of identifying with your country (i.e. "I love being Canadian!" vs. "I am Canadian!")\

[rigid bone]

May I direct you to #💬gamenight-discussion

[shadow shard]

And to be fair, considering how many people use "patriotism" as an excuse to be xenophobic/racist, at this point the word even by itself lost its meaning.

[stable silo]

no nationalism is the idea of putting the nation before all else (nation being the people of the country) whereas patriotism is a love for the country

[harsh edge]

Being proud of the good things about your nation and culture while being intensely skepticle of the intent of your government, demanding they earn your vote and taxes, and demanding they're held accountable for misdeeds is what patriotism should be.

[runic aspen]

people use anything to discriminate to be fair