💬general-discussion

[rigid bone]

Hell yeah.

[barren field]

does anyone know if ready or nots coming to ps5 if so when??

[rich tendon]

no

[glass mulch]

Yes i am!

[potent monolith]

Yooo only one in my group to have the game. Is it easy to find randoms?

Or like a match making que?

[stark scaffold]

There's quite a lot of people you can find in #🔎looking-for-players

[rich tendon]

depends a lot on where you are

[stark scaffold]

^

that too

#📌unit-promo is good if you're looking for a more serious group

[potent monolith]

Thank you

[stark scaffold]

There is in-game matchmaking but I heavily advise against it. I used it for a couple months on launch and the players joining the lobby are bad and don't communicate.

[stuck forge]

its a shame that the dlc is gonna cost money

[modest fern]

Shoulda bought SE during EA

[green tusk]

Now we can get in a circle and cope that SE gives us all dlc for free in the future

[vague jackal]

readddy or nottt here I commmme

[grizzled copper]

can someone send a good NVG or belt mod

[maiden cove]

Why

[grizzled copper]

10 dollars its worth it

[maiden cove]

You don’t see the amount of work and effort they put into it? For only 10 dollars bro

[vital grove]

In a pinch you can use an oven to boil water

[grizzled copper]

at least its not 25 or smth like that

[glass mulch]

My inital guess was 20-30$

[modest fern]

You will now specifically have to pay $30 Linch

[grizzled copper]

can someone send a good NVG or belt mod

when i press Y to ready up it isnt readying uping

[wispy wren]

مطازيز

[viral vortex]

when dlc come up? like what time?

[modest fern]

There isn't a time announced, just day

[viral vortex]

Sad

how they get keys?

[modest fern]

Often credit card fraud/theft or chargebacks

[viral vortex]

what does this have to do with the game key?

[modest fern]

They buy from wholesalers who legitimately sell keys in bulk and use stolen credit cards/commit fraud to not pay a dime

[rigid bone]

That's exactly it

[modest fern]

(The real reason is Kaminsky had like 10 codes in their car and they smashed the window for it)

That'll teach em not to leave things in plain view

[viral vortex]

amma just know many peoples who cant buy game, just buy keys (cause they just dont have it in region)

[rigid bone]

The problem is that we actually lose money because those keys exist

[viral vortex]

but if they can pay for game, they will just buy it in steam.

if steam was taking the money from east country

many keys have a 2x price

[rigid bone]

I need to head to bed

But you can watch this for more info

[rigid bone]

https://youtu.be/twor6RYVtdQ?si=ghX9D5YlPJpJIFzN

[rigid bone]

I also agree what that title

[viral vortex]

G2A i hear first time bout that

[mortal trench]

gets banned

[viral vortex]

[lofty hornet]

[hollow void]

Yeah lol the postal devs

Rws is one of my favorite game studios

[pliant briar]

keys get revoked, you give back the money. where's the loss exactly?

[knotty vortex]

Guys

How do u make people on the ground with there hands up?

[civic kraken]

hello how to Change Character Face and voice

[dapper marten]

i bought GTA from G2A it was 5 dollars

[pliant briar]

in the loadout menu

[lofty hornet]

[tropic nebula]

Bro, "match in the water" is so intense when you hadn't got any armor and helmet.

Fucking goes "She's MIIIIINE" with M1014 and a breacher NPC, has no regrets whatsoever.

[stone ermine]

Microsoft world wide outage bro?

[pliant briar]

no

[dapper marten]

poor 2k

[stone ermine]

Atleast for Australia

[uncut oracle]

make no sense

[fervent palm]

Press F to shout for compliance.

If they comply, they'll go down; if a civilian is refusing to comply, you may have to jab them (I've rebound my melee key and don't remember the original).

[uncut oracle]

Or you can use a taser gun

[lofty hornet]

lmao my dad hasn't said anything, neither has my mum

[uncut oracle]

Nobody don’t want to hear that!

[tropic nebula]

Bro, Neon Tomb music is surely entwined in my mind now.

Pre-1.0 therapy is giving me red flags, REAL fucking bad.

[uncut oracle]

English

[tropic nebula]

Het.

Slava Komissarenko.

[uncut oracle]

👀

[silent topaz]

Is the gameplay they uploaded from the game with Unreal 5 or 4?

[waxen latch]

5

game didnt change much visually, most of the changes probably relate to technical stuff and tools

[silent topaz]

Thanks!

[dapper marten]

2k is the parent company of rockstar

[waxen latch]

no

it is take two

[floral turret]

I hope more interaction with the world

[silent topaz]

Do we know if they will improve the physics of the objects? Will it be possible to jump, crouch or interact more with objects on the map?

[waxen latch]

Pretty certain thats not happening

No vaulting or stuff like that

[mortal trench]

jump crouch?

[waxen latch]

void adds parkour and the game is gonna shit itself

[runic aspen]

like u

[tropic nebula]

like u

[pliant briar]

there's no need to jump, you can crouch and the game really doesn't like anything that's dynamic (moveable)

[regal grotto]

Story ends in 2026?

[jolly totem]

Are you guys kawaii anime girls? Ha ha ha. Of course you arent if you were youd be in 2d you silly baka anyways back to watching anime arigato dattebayo!😉

[lethal pilot]

i have not played in a while but is it just me or is there a issue trying to get into a multiplayer lobby?

i keep getting connection issue messages but i know mines fine

last few days i cant get in i can only play solo

[spark hamlet]

I don't really play multi anyways

do suspects see well in the dark?

[solid cape]

what error exactly you getting?

[lethal pilot]

thats totally fair i dont have friends that really play so its either alone for me or trying to join randoms

[solid cape]

ai dont know what dark is, so yes

[lethal pilot]

let me try again to get the exact message

[spark hamlet]

oh hell no, thx anyway

even NVGs aren't very helpful on the meth houses

[lethal pilot]

so trying to join a random public game it keeps saying connection to host has been lost

its been a few days of this

[solid cape]

That the only map where suspects have reduced detection vision while being unalerted

[solid cape]

maybe host have issue, you can try host your own lobby

[lethal pilot]

i have thoguht about that and havent tried yet...was just curious of whats going on and if its something others have issues with. again its been a while but was always able to just jump in a game

and now i cant

but thank ya much appreciated

[timber anchor]

just saw someone in the forums saying a suspect reaction time of 0.19 seconds is realistic lol literally clueless

[mortal trench]

hii solstice

[runic aspen]

Morning

[mortal trench]

I slept half of the day yesterday plus the night and idk how

[runic aspen]

Its either sleep allday allnight or insomnia

[pliant briar]

you should try reducing exposure to harmful 5g waves

[mortal trench]

I looked to long thru the microwave window

[pliant briar]

and how's sun radiation poisoning going for you?

[mortal trench]

my skin is the palest of pale

[runic aspen]

guys, if u meet someone and he has like a lot of acne, how would u feel?

[silent ruin]

Are the supporter edition will get the DLC for free?

[simple epoch]

yep

[devout kindle]

hey guys i need some help i am on the neon tomb mission trying to get an s and i was wondering if the terrorist kill civilians like in the elepehant mission if you are too slow

[lost slate]

I believe they do

[devout kindle]

ok thank you

[lost fable]

no, I'm more pale

[spark hamlet]

Has anyone ever got S on Twisted Nerve? I got all objectives (soft and main), no injured civs, no incapacitated suspects, no penalties, no mods and still get A+.

[solid cape]

They dont kill civis, but they have suicide chance on low morale

[thin path]

i did but it was a while ago, maybe something is bugged now
you sure you got all the soft stuff? did the mission auto end?

[spark hamlet]

it did auto-end, yes

[solid cape]

Post score screen in media, pretty sure you just have incap someone

[thin path]

then i would guess one sus got incap

[spark hamlet]

wouldn't an incap give me penalties?

[solid cape]

it's would give you less score

[thin path]

it doesnt show in penalties, it just gives less scores

either one of suspects shot another, or one of your guys clapped someones head with beanbag

[spark hamlet]

OK, I see, then it's probably an incap that I missed somehow

[thin path]

happens
i was doing solo on the school bomb missino and did headshot last suspect myself xdd

[spark hamlet]

I'm pretty sure I had no incap but I might be wrong

[obtuse fog]

can somebody tell me how to get my teammate to follow me

[solid cape]

Fall in command or by default it's Z key

[obtuse fog]

Thanks

How do i do the second mission its too hard

[rose river]

You should do the first mission few times to get all of the useful keys figured out and/or play with real people

[brisk yoke]

ready or not

[spark hamlet]

Don't go ahead into the main atrium or staircase or whatever it's called when you start the mission, go right, where there is a small gate, go through that and then you can walk up the small stairs. From the stairs you can attack the server apartment or the mother's apartment, your choice.

[obtuse fog]

Ye i found that , thanks anyway but i died anyway lol i think im just gonna give up and play tommorow

[solid cape]

For survivability take heavy vest with ceramic and ballistic helmet
For weapon you can take any rifle with JHP ammo for this mission

[spark hamlet]

hmm, I use gas masks, bean bag, and gas everything

and steel armor

[obtuse fog]

i took all the light armour

[spark hamlet]

try heavy steel or ceramic armor then

[obtuse fog]

Ok thanks, ill try it next time.

[solid cape]

Ceramic is better, steel is useless right now

[spark hamlet]

is this spreadsheet outdated then? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=1684145677#gid=1684145677

[lofty hornet]

light armor steel glitch

[solid cape]

It's not

[solid cape]

You can use this table to understand what amount of bullets you can eat before dead #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

Keep in mind that ceramic is stronger right now only because of calculation bug, it's will be fixed in update (should be fixed)

[spark hamlet]

thx

[solemn agate]

Does anyone know the price of the home invasion dlc?

[solid cape]

$9.99/€9.99

[regal grotto]

Should be cheaper in euros

Since Dollar and Euro are not equal in value

[spice hazel]

Wait...So Using Steel doesn't do anything ?

Like literally ?

[solid cape]

It's way less effective compared to ceramic right now

[worn locust]

Cermanic due to an oversight lasts longer for the player

as you have a "damage cap" apparently, so you can take more shots than teammates wht Ceramic without it breaking.

[spice hazel]

So that explain why sometimes I die much quicker with Steel compared to Ceramic

Really odd because Steel is supposed to be more durable but also heavier

And Ya do infact move slower with Steel compared to Ceramic

[solid cape]

Yeah, it's 15% vs 69% accel penalty with all sides

[spice hazel]

Well Hopefully the next big update will fix it one and for all IG

[regal grotto]

Modern Ceramic armor doesnt crumble after 1 bullet

[sonic wyvern]

how do i see the scores of the levels i have completed

[regal grotto]

Unlike what Swat 4 would like you to think

[solid cape]

This game is special, ceramic plate will be fully destroyed after 4 hits from Makarov

and on 4 hit you already start getting damage

[spice hazel]

I mean It's still a video game after all
If you simply applied those Realism rules into the game then....There's no reasons to not run "Modern" Ceramic plate over other options

There should be pros and cons for each option...which makes your build more interesting rather than just picking whatever feels the best

[regal grotto]

If it was realistic, nothing short of 5.56 would even damage ceramic

[spice hazel]

Realism in a game in which a suspect can sometimes tank a headshot

[sonic wyvern]

can i get any help

[solid cape]

The only way is start mission and die

[sonic wyvern]

and where am i supposed to look

[solid cape]

there is no table that can show you a score for each level

[solid cape]

after mission it's will show your best grade

[sonic wyvern]

ok, thank you.
can you plase make a game suggestion with the table and scores for each map?

[rigid bone]

Do you mean a menu where you can see all of your scores for all of the maps?

[lilac vale]

Y’all being good?

[sour flicker]

no

[finite valve]

hey does anyone have a PERSONAL windows device that can turn on? i wanna know if my computer will be safe from the outage and i dont wanna risk turning it on

[lilac vale]

???

[finite valve]

theres a microsoft outage

i am NOT turning on my computer for it to explode 🙏🙏

[lilac vale]

What? Unless your PC had C4 explosives installed in the motherboard it ain’t gonna blow up

[finite valve]

dont worry i used my multitool to disarm them

but fr tho is anyones pc working

[foggy geyser]

It affect computers that use CrowdStrike for security apparently. And mine is on rn no problem so far.

[brisk yoke]

ready or not

[lilac vale]

85% of users on here are on their PCs so I’d say you’re fine

[finite valve]

only organizational devices?

alr then ill try booting it

[lilac vale]

No, go back to your cave Gort.

[foggy geyser]

If they use CrowdStrike

[brisk yoke]

[finite valve]

thank god because i have NEVER heard of that so hopefully im in the clear

[lilac vale]

Come on Gort go to your cave, you’re in @rich tendon spot.

[brisk yoke]

but its dark in the cave

[rigid bone]

It's not a personal PC outage

If you've never heard of Crowstrike, you're perfectly fine from the outage

[lilac vale]

Then take GPNVGS with you, Judge won’t mind.

[thin path]

wish we had more darker maps tbh

[brisk yoke]

[finite valve]

RAHHHHH🙏

[rigid bone]

Which on a related note, VOID doesn't use their service so we're perfectly fine and still working. :)

[buoyant jolt]

Yeah been hearing about it from IT since it can possibly effect us

But seems the trading platforms and everything are working fine so /shrug

[finite valve]

i love playing ends of the earth and spamming the beanbag shotgun on the grandma

[buoyant jolt]

"Stop resisting!"

[worthy dome]

she was reaching !!

[rigid bone]

The funniest part is the chronically online and critically lacking Americans thinking this outage is some weird politically motivated attack, when Cloudflare went out like a year and a half ago and took Hospitals and other critical infrastructure with it, and they didn't bat an eye.

[eternal tundra]

Void, improve your NVGs and dark maps.

[rigid bone]

[buoyant jolt]

Nope, just good ol corporate incompetence

[finite valve]

improve the ai on both sides, the fucking enemy ai shoots me if they even smell my sweaty armpits from 5 miles away and somehow oneshots me, while my team cant stack up on a door unless i spam z

[eternal tundra]

Take DCS as an example

[rigid bone]

To be fair

You can't really compare DCS to any other game on the planet

[eternal tundra]

The technology used for the NVGs is quite simple, even with a reshade it can be done

[buoyant jolt]

over G, over G

[rigid bone]

We also really don't want to make maps that you're REQUIRED to use NVGs

[eternal tundra]

I mean, it shouldn't be too much work for them to make realistic NVGs.

[buoyant jolt]

I mean all the dark maps require NVGs

[rigid bone]

They're always gonna be on the edge of-'You can use NVGs, or a light, or play with eyes for hard mode.'

[eternal tundra]

I think it is something that is quite requested by the community.
Anyway, a little more darkness within so much clarity that have the maps would not hurt.

[buoyant jolt]

If I'm in the pitch black attic the suspects should not be able to see and track me perfectly lmao

[eternal tundra]

If this is true, if they are blinded or the detection cone is shorter when they are in the dark, it is quite absurd.

[buoyant jolt]

It is 100% true, go into the attic on twisted nerve with no laser or light on and see how fast the suspect spots and kills you despite it being pitch black

[rigid bone]

Trust, the community is quite large and it's only a subsection that wants actually dark-dark maps. Honestly, I'm one of them, but it is what it is.

It is also worth noting that suspect detection is lowered in the dark

[pliant briar]

if only you could use laser and flashlight at the same time...

[buoyant jolt]

I just want my NVGs and CBRN at the same time smh

[rigid bone]

No NVGs.

Face shield and flashlight only

[worn locust]

Yeah I like tactical games but they often "undervalue" how armor works

[eternal tundra]

If we talk about the same RoN without modifications, it does not seem to be that the AI's vision is reduced, they kill you very quietly and easily since they are in the dark and do not even have flashlights.

[worn locust]

Granted it does lead to higher difficulty. (while RON is in the opposite camp to my knowledge.)

[buoyant jolt]

The face shield that makes you feel safer while they just shoot your arm for the millionth time

[regal grotto]

Also suspects got a playbook from Tarkov AI

[worn locust]

I do think difficulty settings for armor/health values would make peple happy

[buoyant jolt]

I love 7.62 in the leg

[regal grotto]

I got hit during a mission only in legs/arms

[buoyant jolt]

Suspects with M14s are the true menace

[eternal tundra]

And regarding NVGs, upgrading them and taking DCS as an example would be the best decision void could make.

I don't know if you ever saw through real ones, because I work with them most of the time and DCS is the closest to the real thing.

Take my advice and you will see how happy you will make the night ops community.

[thin path]

we should be able to use face shield and nvg at the same time tbh

[buoyant jolt]

IR spotlight attached to the helmet

[worn locust]

More reason for it to be added for us. (pls)

[eternal tundra]

In real life you are more likely to have that happen, that aspect of the game is quite well done.

[rigid bone]

I have only really personally used Gen3+ NODs

I still want to buy a pair

[worn locust]

One thing I did like that SWAT Global Strike Team did despite it's weird arcadey nature was you had a seperate menu for equipping nvg/gas mask/binoculars

[buoyant jolt]

I want to get one of those thermal optics that gives you ESP hacks by highlighting targets

[worn locust]

So you couldn't have them on all the time but could freely add/remove them.

Obviously RON is balanced around the "One headgear" mechanic but I'm surprised a more simplistic console shooter had it

[eternal tundra]

Well, the GPVN 18, LAS PVS14 and others never lose the peripheral vision.

In RoN you have total darkness with that ugly frame.
I think Ground Branch also has some NVGs similar to the DCS ones.

[buoyant jolt]

I never understood the limitation of one or the other as even heli pilots use fold down NVGs

[worn locust]

Funny enough you also have less health than RON

You have 5 "bars" on your health bar, you lose one everytime you get shot and you can't heal outside of occasionally loading screens in the longer missions.

[eternal tundra]

Well that's in addition to conventional NVGs.
It is superimposed on top of the lens and generates the contour by combining the thermal reflection and the light spectrum.

[eternal tundra]

What do you mean by this?

[buoyant jolt]

You have to choose NVGs or something else, can't have both

[eternal tundra]

In real life you are not playing NVGs all the time.
You touch them only to put them in low or high position, and then you remove them at the end of the mission or during breaks when you remove your helmet.

[buoyant jolt]

Yeah I'm aware

[eternal tundra]

Having a ballistic mask plus NVG is not a very smart decision, let alone a comfortable one.

[buoyant jolt]

RON doesn't allow you to have both when you'd want it

Seeing your target > comfort

[eternal tundra]

It is absurd, what you should be allowed to have at the same time is a balaclava and normal ballistic glasses.

[rigid bone]

I wasn't a part of the decision-making for one or the other, but I'd believe it was part of the games emphasis on 'team play' by not allowing one player to buff themselves up too much

[rigid bone]

It is also worth noting, since it hasn't been mentioned at all, the Balaclavas aren't exactly a clothing option. It's a 'Character' option, so you can have a character with no helmet, balaclava, and ballistic glasses

[buoyant jolt]

I get the team play thing but then it would just kneecap you because then on certain maps you are literally useless because you can't see without blinding everyone else with a flashlight

[devout kindle]

hello guys its me agains i was wondering if you could help me with the due process achievement every time i try to get it the c2 kills the suspect instead of incapacitating what am i doing wrong

[eternal tundra]

However, they could let you use the gas mask together with the NVGs or the NVGs together with a balaclava or normal ballistic goggles.

It is something that is often used

[buoyant jolt]

And actual SWAT teams aren't gonna let one person go without NVGs like that, they'd all have their NODs and gas masks while they deploy CS or what have you

[solid cape]

Did you cuff suspect after explode?

[buoyant jolt]

Hell even pilots had NODs on while doing night ops in desert storm, on top of their helmet

[worn locust]

Yeah most tactical games have at least one somewhat arbitary restriction, look at how most don't have jumping

Is Jumping realistic? Yes but if you've seen cod uhhhhhhh, people will spam that to try to dodge bullets like the matrix

[eternal tundra]

Well that's not entirely true. Many times having combined equipment is the best option.

That is defined by the jobs

[worn locust]

So that's why usually at most they have a contexual vault. (like Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising my beloved.)

[rigid bone]

One of my favorite little snippets really come in handy here. The quote 'As realistic as playable' is very important to keep in mind, since with very few restrictions, a game being realisic is genuinely a bad thing.

[devout kindle]

it killed him and i restarted instantly

[rigid bone]

Realism is good, until it isn't

[worn locust]

TFW when enforced Permadeath and you instantly die because a suspect hit you in the lung making Judge collapse and bleedout

[hollow talon]

If RoN was completely realistic the game wouldn't be hard or challenging

[solid cape]

C2 dont kill on first explode, you need do it again, cuff him then carry to other door and repeat process

[worn locust]

Realism is fun but most realistic games, even Tom Clancy stuff, have a few intentional nerfs or balancing changes

[hollow talon]

You would just bang + gas every room every time bc irl you'd have virtually infinite recourses

[eternal tundra]

Yes, but it does not apply to the points mentioned here.

[worn locust]

Or Helmets just don't work at all if it's Tom Clancy

[devout kindle]

thank you

[rigid bone]

It actually does though

[worn locust]

Heavy armor in early Rainbow Six games literally come with a ballistic face mask that couldn't block a makarov round or singular shotgun pellet at sniper range

[eternal tundra]

We are asking for basic things that no tactical FPS ever did well.

You have the possibility to correct that tactical aspect and give us a more realistic experience in terms of NVG use, gas masks and so on.

[worn locust]

I don't mind exposed part of the face still being a one-hit-kill zone but it's always been a peeve of mine to have "cosmetic" helmets

Shoutout to Metal Gear Solid where in 2 helmets don't even block tranquilizer darts.

[eternal tundra]

No man, believe me, no.

How much does it negatively affect having a more realistic NVG view? along with being able to have a gas mask to use at the same time and being able to remove the gas mask when it's not really important to use it?

Believe me, these two features have more benefits than negatives.

[buoyant jolt]

Sniper Elite moment when the Welrod just pings off a Germans Stahlhelm

[thin path]

who would choose nvg when ballistic mask is very useful, while nvg dont really help much anywhere
you can see just fine without them, enemies can see you just fine always

[worn locust]

they'd have to alter the game's systems a fair bit at least.

[eternal tundra]

And I'm telling you this as a guy who works in real life as a commando and not only that, but who has spent years in tactical gaming communities talking about the same thing.

And the claim is legitimate for more than 10 years of validity.

[worn locust]

Right now the game wants it to be a trade-off

[rigid bone]

You are letting your bias take over though, Ready or Not isn't a game that is trying to be like real life. It's a game that is trying to be a game

[rigid bone]

☝️

[hollow talon]

RoN is a game not a simulator

[rigid bone]

Ready or Not isn't trying to be ArmA, it's trying to be Ready or Not

[thin path]

so since its a game, whats the use of NVG, its useless just about everywhere

[buoyant jolt]

Would be kinda nice if the squad mates commented on your weapon choice though

[eternal tundra]

I understand this perfectly, so from the game aspect, many of us here think that these points are valid and it would be even more attractive to play RoN.

[buoyant jolt]

Bit more banter at entry, joking around, etc

Make the team feel more alive and fleshed out

[eternal tundra]

Basically we are telling them that they only have to improve 3 aspects of the game.

A little more darkness, so that the NVGs make sense.
Improve the vision and quality of the NVGs, with their corresponding representation.
Enemies don't kill you as if they have a thermal in their eyes when they are in the dark.

[thin path]

early trailers shown options to turn off power at places, i dont think we have that in game

[buoyant jolt]

We do not

[rigid bone]

That has been confirmed to not be coming back in any form

[worn locust]

rip

[buoyant jolt]

Boo

[thin path]

too bad, since that would help make more gear have a use

[zenith sonnet]

Require devs to basically make 2 variations of each map since they use baked lighting

[eternal tundra]

I don't think we are asking here for an absurd realism where a 7.62 shot leaves you without a leg, or things like that.

The gameplay of RoN personally is quite well done, but the AI becomes a bit absurd, but I also understand that this field is the most complex in all games.

[eternal tundra]

What will not return?

[rigid bone]

It basically came down to the fact that redesiging a lot of the maps to make use of that functionality would take far more effort than it would be worth

[thin path]

does not seem like a problem, work is work, theyre working on the game, so they could aswell be working on that

[worn locust]

Plus I assume other issues.

[rigid bone]

Being able to turn off power

[rigid bone]

[worn locust]

You'd also need to obviously give the supects additional behavior for that.

[worn locust]

You have limited manpower and hours in a day, you can't work on everything at once

[eternal tundra]

It was a very interesting addition and perfect for the theme of the game.

A very practical tactic to leave the contacts blind and to be able to use NVGs.

Here excuse my expression, but we all thought it was a stupid decision to remove it.

[worn locust]

It'd be coo lif maybe we get a few specific maps with power cutting but adding it to every map (or even just as a map gimmick for 1-2) would be agood bit of work.

It's kinda an issue you can notice with other games sometimes where they'll preview/mention features that never make it in because "oh no this is actually far more complex or doesn't work well with the rest of the game in unexpected ways"

or just plain old "Other stuff needs finishing first and is more important." (like SWAT 4's cut traps)

[thin path]

noone suggested working on everything at once
saying something would require work, is the most obvious and pointless thing you can say, everything does require work, and its what they are getting paid for

[worn locust]

and right now they are likely already working on other stuff

[eternal tundra]

Still it is not impossible, Ground Branch is not a direct competitor of RoN.
You could ask for advice/help for this aspect of the game if you wish.

[eternal tundra]

That's why we spend our money here

[thin path]

and we are talking about features and improvements we would wish them to be working on

[eternal tundra]

These are features that should never have disappeared, this reminds me of the typical developments where they showed things that later the whole community would be begging for those features for the rest of their lives.

Let's guess how those companies ended up.

They went bankrupt or with a low number of players, because they didn't do what they should have done from the beginning.

The basic principle of any company is to provide a service/product, better quality/price, to (satisfy the needs of its customers).

This does not mean that customers are always right, clarification there.

But what they must do is to meet the demands of those customers when they are legitimate and massive.

Even more so when you have shown things and then don't do them.

Basically you sold a lie, because you showed it, sold it to us, got paid and oh boy, that functionality is gone, because “it's too much work” man I've been in the industry for over 10 years now, I don't buy that even if a kid told me that.

[solid cape]

I know 1 character who will be with balaclava, but would there be more or only one? Why it's not a cosmetic option yet, is there some tech problems with that or something else?
We also have another 8 characters who for some reason disabled in customization, but can be enabled in game files (they used in commander mode), do you know why?

[eternal tundra]

Anyway Void, listen to your customers, make smart decisions and don't ruin this, even with the flaws that still need to be polished, you have a wonderful product.

[pliant briar]

10 years in the industry, but you haven't even considered that stuff gets removed during alpha state of the game all the time?

[eternal tundra]

Yes I have considered it, but these additions are not as complex as they really try to sell it.

[thin path]

i would worry mroe about AI than the lighting being baked

[pliant briar]

the only issue here is that the devs showed it publicly, making some sort of magical assurance (in the eyes of the players) that it's going to be added

which is why every announcement has "subject to change" in bold text

[eternal tundra]

This is a problem of the first order and is not part of this discussion, as we already know it is important.

[thin path]

i mean in relation to the lights being off, the AI would have to act very different

[eternal tundra]

We understand it perfectly

[mental dune]

the lighting in this game still needs work but the ai is very much front and center the most important issue this game has besides the fact this game requires a super computer and then still it wont run well

[pliant briar]

atp it's very clear that cutting the power (if that's what you meant) isn't gonna happen because of technical limitations

[thin path]

it really doesnt need a super computer though
run dx12, run through the maps once or twice so it makes the shaders, and then it runs smooth

[eternal tundra]

The recommendation to have specific maps with the possibility to cut power is not a bad option.

Of course it involves a lot of work, nobody here is denying that.

[mental dune]

even on dx12 it runs like poo.

[thin path]

no it does not, let it generate shaders, and then its smooth
it stutters at first because of that

[eternal tundra]

I would like to know how real these “technical” limitations are.

[rigid bone]

There will be 3 different balaclava 'characters' with different skin tones, it wasn't listed as a cosmetic option so that it can be more easily combined with the currently available cosmetics with as little issues as possible. As for the locked characters, I have no idea.

[pliant briar]

"lots of work" = fundamentally changing how the game handles rendering maps

[eternal tundra]

Ground Branch with a smaller team, less budget and less technology achieves perfection.

[pliant briar]

baked-in lighting

[mental dune]

i think whats worse is that adam ran better then 1.0 and there was very little changes to the graphics or lighting

[thin path]

im getting 120-160 fps at max settings, 1600p, with a mobile 4070 and 13700hx

[eternal tundra]

We are talking about illumination my friend

[mental dune]

whats that mean?

[rigid bone]

It's more a comment on game design vs playability design

[eternal tundra]

Don't want to run me off with the number of players, because we are talking about technical aspects and gameplay.

The big problem with Ground Branch above all else is the AI.

[pliant briar]

that ready or not has higher percentage of bad reviews

[rigid bone]

Even before I worked for VOID, RoN always felt more playable Vs. GB or ZH

[eternal tundra]

As far as functionality in the energy interaction aspect Ground Branch knew how to do it and if I were void, I would take it into consideration.

It could even be a great partnership between the two, they are incredible games.

[mental dune]

But what part of the image proves the point?

[eternal tundra]

Because they have different aspects and approaches

The Ground Branch niche is smaller than the one targeted by VOID and both views are valid.

[pliant briar]

controversy and marketing = more sales

[mental dune]

The reviews? the Player count?

[eternal tundra]

But I come back to the same thing, Ground Branch has a smaller team and budget than VOID and has some better gameplay aspects, in this case in particular the energy system.

[mental dune]

I agree with you on Zero Hour. Something about it feels extreamly clunky. Not to mentionm how its lighting is a bit messy

im gonna need to try out ground branch

[eternal tundra]

I think zero hour sucks, honestly

[mental topaz]

definetly, love it especially the mods, you can be cag and more cag

[eternal tundra]

Some Ground Branch animations are better done than RoN honestly.

[mental dune]

its a good concept and a fun game but is very clearly limited by its small team

[eternal tundra]

The functionalities with weapons and multiple accessories and so on, is something that VOID could take as an example.

[pliant briar]

movement in GB also feels way more responsive and precise

[eternal tundra]

Completely.

[fallen sail]

Not every game needs to have every feature the other one has, the accessory system in ground branch is incredibily superficial and a lot of work + system strain for something that has very little effect on actual gameplay

[pliant briar]

you know exactly when the barrel is going to hit the wall. in ron, you have to assume when that happens

[mental dune]

what is ground branch anyways

[eternal tundra]

If the two communities were to make an effort to unite these two companies, who knows, maybe we could

[eternal tundra]

A game that focuses on mixing CQB and open field. but more specifically in CQB cooperative work or PVP.

game in early development, with a small team but big potential

The concepts between Ground Branch and RoN are different, so I don't consider them to be in direct competition with each other.

GB aims for something a little more militarized, while VOID aims for something more police and a mix between arcade and realistic.
Which is pretty good.

But we are here recommending improving some aspects of realism that would not interfere very directly with the arcade gameplay.

Or what void is looking for by not having something too realistic

[fallen sail]

RON is basically focusing on being more of a game with actual rules and balance and a loop while Ground Branch is.... something

[rich tendon]

gratr

[fallen sail]

gratr

Not that RON's rules and loop are any good right now but atleast it's trying

[eternal tundra]

Well, let's agree that the "real" points and rules system is not so real

[rigid bone]

Sorry for dropping off the convo, had to attend to other platforms.

[fallen sail]

steam chatroom

[winter ruin]

Yeah, the game wouldn't be as fun if it's "too realistic" that could make the game too difficult to casual players and people like me

[eternal tundra]

no problem

[rigid bone]

That does come down to the crux of the argument

Swat 4 was pretty casual as far as a lot of things are considered, and that's likely what RoN will stay like

[eternal tundra]

Yes and that is totally valid.

The conversation became too relaxed, but I raised 3 points for improving realism that would not really affect you on the points you mention.

[fallen sail]

I don't really think it comes down to "realism", some realistic aspects can be more fun than arcade ones if done right, it's basically down to what feels right and what feels fun

[worn locust]

Yeah, RON makes armor better but in exchange LTL isn't as op

[eternal tundra]

Since that realism that I list would, in fact, be making your life even easier.

[worn locust]

turns out beanbags to the face infact kill

[mental dune]

its pvp? Yeah so you cant really compare Ground Branch or RoN

[worn locust]

At least it's not modded SWAT 4 where you can kill people with the taser

[tropic nebula]

Unplugs PC.

[rigid bone]

:(

[eternal tundra]

If you can do it by being a coherent person and taking technical points.

And GB is not only PVP it also has PVE

[fallen sail]

I thought that was pretty funny, and it added more function to the pepper spray which right now is useless in RON

[regal grotto]

Will devs fix swat AI walking backwards?

[mental dune]

thats if the game ever reaches that level

[worn locust]

TBH Pepperspray is still mostly useless since you'll have Syndicate expansion, which adds punching

[fallen sail]

Punching would dock your score if you used it on civilians

[worn locust]

At most you'll maybe break it out for civilians since punching them counts as Harm

[mental dune]

thats actually something i like about Elite Force. Killing with point blank beanbag rounds or giving someone a heart attack with the taser.

[fallen sail]

But pepper in SWAT 4 is the equivalent to the taser in RON right now, you could dive corners with it and get free arrests

[eternal tundra]

Just improve the darkness a little, change your ugly NVGs and put the overlay like in DCS is a good change.

[fallen sail]

That is if they didn't have gas masks which was awkward

[eternal tundra]

keep in mind void, fixing your ugly NVGs is not a bad thing, it's a good thing

[worn locust]

NGL with the syndicate expansion, I mainly use SWAT 4 pepperspray as an LTL flamethrower. (not tried it in RON yet)

[mental dune]

the optiwand/mirror gun still needs improvments. the pip mode is not usable at all. And there really isnt a reason as to why its like that when you have the tablet acting how it is

[regal grotto]

Sometimes Swat AI gets barked up and walks backwards

[worn locust]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N3mrMh_yHYY found a vid of SWAT 4 AI acting up a day ago

[fallen sail]

In RON right now it makes suspects play a shitty little animation where they cover their eyes as they end your life

That's basically it's only function outside of trolling friends

[rigid bone]

I believe that's taken care of in the coming patch

[eternal tundra]

VOID, when will you return the hotel map?

we miss him

[fallen sail]

Maybe hotel was the friends we made along the way

[worn locust]

Hopefully melee gets made a bit better

[regal grotto]

Most often it happens during search and secure

[eternal tundra]

We want some old maps back with us

[winter ruin]

I kinda wonder what it would be like to have drunk or enemies that are high on drugs in ron

[worn locust]

(maybe holding melee has Judge do a proper pistol whip/rifle butt that can incap)

[zenith sonnet]

A year or 2, the full map btw

[hollow talon]

Isn't that just everyone in twisted nerve

[worn locust]

Suspects now take several glock mags to drop

[mental dune]

i wanna see fast food return, but so help me if i have to pay for that . . . I already bought that map

[fallen sail]

I think the melee being pretty shit isn't so bad, i find it to be a last resort tool if you run out of LTL that's incredibly risky

[winter ruin]

Dang, so the update already came

[eternal tundra]

A good arm lock to throw a suspect in a liquor store wouldn't be bad at all.

[winter ruin]

Honestly I've never used melee in RoN I've always had ammo

[pliant briar]

i mean face to face encounters feel extremely clunky in ron in general. enemies can still shoot you, but you can't

[fallen sail]

That means you want to avoid them, which i find to be a good thing

[eternal tundra]

Let's get back to something important, old and complete maps.

[fallen sail]

The melee being powerful would make knife suspects worthless, not that they appear much right now

[rigid bone]

Chyressa and Hospital are still both in the game though

[rich tendon]

fast food 🥺

[rigid bone]

and Fast Food was never more than a blocked out test

[spice hazel]

🧙‍♂️ Give us the old Carrier of Vine
Against Gigachad Fully kit out Suspects

[eternal tundra]

Well, it's because we follow the rule of real life.

If you come within 30 meters of an officer with a knife, you will go with Jesus and a 9mm in your face.

[eternal tundra]

The hotel was the best map and they removed it

[pliant briar]

realistically you would want to avoid them anyway. it's the clunkiness that's the problem, not the encounter itself

[sharp stone]

Rip Fast Food

🫡

[eternal tundra]

It was an interesting map, still is, if you decide to play it as a non-special patrol

[fallen sail]

If the melee isn't clunky and is easy to use why wouldn't you just go up to a suspect and punch him in the face?

[sharp stone]

No. Old Carrier was a pain in the ass. More so than the current one

[mortal trench]

one of the reasons why it runs like dogwater

[fallen sail]

(like in SWAT 4)

[pliant briar]

because that's very ineffective

[sharp stone]

You're thinking of the Elite Forces mod. The punch animation was the funniest thing lol

[rigid bone]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3996

[eternal tundra]

YES

[pliant briar]

the idea is that you should be able to defend in some capacity and try to back off into a more safe area (instead of being shot by the suspect who's not affected by you being in the way)

[fallen sail]

The punch was from the stetchkov syndicate expansion, the punch was insanely broken since it was extremely effective on suspects

[eternal tundra]

hotel map or nothing man

[fallen sail]

Which is exactly my point, if the melee worked that well you could just walk up to someone and fuck them up

[sharp stone]

Ok maybe I'm mixing things up. It was a while since I last played swat 4. Should replay this year as it's a yearly thing for me lol

[worn locust]

Played more SWAT Global Strike Team, surprisingly the late-game "Commando" terrorists actually fake-surrender

[fallen sail]

modded SWAT 4 does integrate the expansion into the base game, so you weren't technically wrong

[worn locust]

They'll draw a glock unless you tell them to keep their hands up which is neat.

[sharp stone]

👍

[worn locust]

The punch was at least somewhat balanced in 4 since it was slow and short ranged. (and I think Elite Force even reduced the range further.)

I mostly found myself using it on tear gas'd suspects who didn't quite feel like giving up yet.

[fallen sail]

It really wasn't that slow or short ranged, if i was out of pepper i would genuienly just walk out and punch the guy on the other side of a door

[eternal tundra]

https://youtu.be/1Zt9fEDF4co best map

[jolly totem]

Are you guys kawaii anime girls? Ha ha ha. Of course you arent if you were youd be in 2d you silly baka anyways back to watching anime arigato dattebayo!😉

[fallen sail]

It was even MORE powerful if you used the touch taser

[worn locust]

Here's hoping a fast food rework is on the way ngl, it'd be a shame for all the work on that map to go to waste.

[worn locust]

NGL that was an odd thing since the og taser is also Drive stun-capable in reality but it got the punch instead.

[jolly totem]

I will touch you.

[eternal tundra]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3996

[worn locust]

Yeah but having an official revival that won't (as much anyway) break with updates would be nice.

[rich tendon]

WHAT!

[fallen sail]

Map in the mod is still pretty much a blockout and i don't think it has the warehouse area

[eternal tundra]

Well the man said it was just a test.

[mortal trench]

britain stabbing simulator

[eternal tundra]

Let's fight for them to bring back the hotel map

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zt9fEDF4co

[rich tendon]

let’s not

[fallen sail]

I'm pretty sure hotel just got replaced with sins (which i'm incredibly unhappy about)

[worn locust]

Obviously it needs work, I'm just hoping it comes back in some way before support is dropped entirely

[eternal tundra]

He supposedly said it was the latest version of the great map.

And I remember that the warehouse had that version

[pliant briar]

:-(

[eternal tundra]

Let's hope not, or I'll be very upset.

VOID give us an answer of the HOTEL map

we want it back

[worn locust]

Hell SWAT 4 had three (unfinished?) maps that were mp only that fans managed to mod into sp maps

(A Courthouse, an American Restaurant and a nuclear power plant.)

[undone matrix]

Does anybody know how much the DLC will cost?

[mental dune]

the old hotel may be removed from the code with this update

[worn locust]

[eternal tundra]

Any volunteers who can rescue him?

[solid cape]

$9.99/€9.99

[sharp stone]

I remember dreading going into the main lobby and the parking lot lol. Good times. Wish we still had access to the old maps even if they're not canon or part of the main game. Maybe you get them as extra content for beating the game

[fallen sail]

Someone did make a hotel map for ADAM, but not for 1.0

[undone matrix]

Really that little? 👀

[worn locust]

Same with the cut guns

[mortal trench]

yep

[undone matrix]

Glad it's not 20 bucks lol

[onyx nexus]

Hey everyone, just bought the game a couple of days ago and love it thus far, but what is it with so many people online sharing grievances about subjective issue they are having with the game? From the outside the whole situation looks really bad and gives the game a needlessly bad rep.

[worn locust]

SWAT 4 had a custon mission mode, just let us use that on the maps.

Set suspect-types and if it's Active Shooter or Bomb Threat for instance

[eternal tundra]

My best memories are on that map

[spice hazel]

It's been that way for a while..since alpha days tbh
Even more after 1.0

[fallen sail]

Game has a ton of issues right now and some people are right to complain, but a lot of people can find really dumb aspects to complain about instead

[undone matrix]

RoN's the best SWAT Shooter out there on the market atm. But it doesn't mean that it's perfect. There are some issues, like optimization and stuff like that. But it's still a good game, it just needs some more work

[onyx nexus]

Yeah, I haven't been on board since those days, so I get it that a lot of people will have accumulated all kinds of frustration. 😐

[worn locust]

Seriously if anything is "non-canon", just make it a custom mission-only thing instead of removing it seems like a better use imo

[eternal tundra]

Nobody is giving him a bad reputation.

We are giving you advice for improvements.
It's called feedback boy

[brittle shell]

Hey sorry new to the discord and I know you guys probably hear it everyday but is there any updates on controller support?

[worn locust]

Got a functional map that you replaced? Make it a custon mission

[sharp stone]

Same. I still wish we had the old mission select to go off whatever mission as we liked than the current one where it's more linear

[onyx nexus]

Agreed, I am just a bit put off by the fact that I was reluctant to get it just because a lot of "fans" seem to hate it for what it is and want to love it for what it could/should/would have been...

[fallen sail]

I think hotel was removed to save on space, i'd rather the devs release the old maps as mods or something if they really don't want to package them with the game

[worn locust]

I know Bohemia does that somewhat

[eternal tundra]

Yes, I don't understand those decisions.

Why do you change something that works well?

It seems these kids weren't taught that what works well you shouldn't touch.

[worn locust]

ARMA 3 had a submachine gun a dev made in their spare time that they didn't use, so they made it a Workshop weapon. (was eventually added officially tho.)

[eternal tundra]

They could release an OLD MAPS DLC

[spice hazel]

Yeah some of the critisms about the game like the performance, Stuttering issue, bad lightning, AI issues are valid tho
But then some people just try to nit pick the game on some of the lil things

[fallen sail]

GIVE US PRE ALPHA GAS VOID

[worn locust]

Yeah that seems like a dumb change.

Keep Commander as the "canon campaign" but let us mess around with the maps afterwards

[sharp stone]

How did old gas work?

[zenith sonnet]

"I haven't really touched on this much before, but we decided to remove the mode selection because it was simply a whole lot of content to QA and bugfix through what was already a really massive update. Maybe some day it'll find its way back. A lot of the team were already pulling some pretty major hours just to ensure the new levels were playable and didn't have too many major issues.

From my recollection however not every new level had variations, though it "hit the spot" for initial early access because we only released with around six levels -- but adding even 2 versions of all 1.0 maps would be a heap of extra work that didn't fit the vision I wanted for the release. Was it the right call? Judging on feedback, it probably was not, but I don't want anyone to think the team removed them out of laziness or as a middle finger to the community.

Bottom line though, is that I'd love to see that as a return once we have less to focus on, especially with regards to design and art."
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1e4w5rd/comment/ldk5wej/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[worn locust]

SWAT 3 and 4 let us change suspect/hostage amount and game mode in SWAT 4 for custom missions

[undone matrix]

I think the price of the game also is a big issue for many people. I think 40 bucks might have still been justified, but 50 is really a lot to bargain for - when you take into fact that the game's not completely polished yet. I also only got it when the game was on sale

[fallen sail]

You can see it in the old trailers, it looked a lot more like an actual gas station

[worn locust]

Yeah I have no doubt, it's an issues thing, I'm just glad to heari it's considered

[sharp stone]

I thought you were talking about CS gas lol. Not Gas as in the map

[onyx nexus]

No I am saying that it's a shame that from the eyes of someone out of the loop it could look a lot worse than it actually is. People make it to seem like RoN is in a state of disrepair. I wasn't talking about feedback, that's always needed, and developers should always be talked to.

[worn locust]

Personally I'm ok if not every single map has a version for evey mode but having the mode removed entirely makes people wonder ifi t's gone for good

[fallen sail]

lmao no, the new gas they teased on announcements looks a lot better anyway since it blocks suspect vision

[worn locust]

I'm hoping after Commander's "storyline" is finished that we'll that fixed up some day.

[sharp stone]

Gotcha

[eternal tundra]

I am glad to read that

[mental dune]

i would riot because i already bought the levels

to be frank i wonder why it was done the way it was done. each mode was an entirely new map.

[regal grotto]

It is finished with Port

[worn locust]

MLO then pull out thermal goggles

[zenith sonnet]

"This is certainly a cool idea, I'd love to bring back a few different things just for fun -- but we'd certainly not charge anyone for it. In my mind, the following levels would be a bit of fun to bring back:

Wenderly Hills Hotel (full map, not just broken down)

Fast Food (there's a mod that revives it which is pretty great)

Meth Apartments (a level one of our former designers made on the side that's really nice to clear out)

We'll see how we go, but I wouldn't expect these any time soon. Even with the old levels, we'd want to bring them up to parity with what we have right now."
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1e4w5rd/comment/ldk4zxp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[onyx nexus]

I get it, but at the same time for a game that has 100+ hours of content (howlongtobeat) as well as mod tools, I think that any price under 60 euros/dollars would be good/great. I mean, all and everything is better when cheaper. 😤

[worn locust]

Since MLO is teased, I am wondering if the DLC is going to continue Judge's story in any way, since MLO were clearly planned to be in the game and even used as placeholders on Farm.

[sharp stone]

It got very interesting after the feds got involved and threatened the team. And then it ended lol. A bit abrupt imo

[worn locust]

(and while I've not got that far myself it seems the game just stops unlocking new missions after port? no actual ending cutscene since I was watching videos before I had a PC that could run RON .)

[eternal tundra]

I would pay for that DLC being completely coherent.

You paid for it but you paid for something that was "subject to change" so you can be angry that it didn't change

[fallen sail]

The game absolutely doesn't have 100+ hours of content, anyone who played it for more than like 30 is just replaying the same missions over and over

[worn locust]

Yeah I don't have 100 hours even in SWAT 4 lmao

[regal grotto]

It wasnt a threat, RoN players think Fisa has some grand conspiracy but no. Those women were scared. Fisa only told us to secure them

[sharp stone]

It kinda just ends. If you look in police HQ you see the aftermath of the mission on the computer screens

[eternal tundra]

Fantastic

[regal grotto]

They are butt naked during a rain, the container might be safest place for them to be

[mental dune]

i bough ron subject to change but i dont expect content i bought to be removed from the game at 1.0 then sold back to me

[worn locust]

Since we have cut maps, that does make me wonder if it they're gonna continue it with the cut maps/new ones.

[fallen sail]

There's also the quality of the content, you have contemporary games like helldivers 2 for 30 bucks or red dead 2 for like 20 bucks on a sale which have infinitely more higher quality content for the asking price

[worn locust]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, not a fan of modenr rockstar games or live-service shooters.

[sharp stone]

I also thought something bigger was going on in the background

[eternal tundra]

Read above, it won't happen

[worn locust]

From an kinda outsider, stuff like the S-rank evidence in the talent agency seems like hints towards a bigger government thing. (Especially old MLO lore.)

[onyx nexus]

I get it, but I reckon that even thing like the AI and lighting can and do tend to be subjective. I personally think the AI is mostly fine. I am on board with people disagreeing with that take but to me it seems a lot of individuals just go a bit overboard. I hate shader stuttering as well as constant hitching when pulling out the wand, but calling the optimization "one of the worst ever" (as someone did at some point), is a bit of a stretch.

[eternal tundra]

I can rest assured that now I know that the old maps will return at some point

[mental dune]

yes i did just read the reddit post. but where you are willing to pay for something removed in 1.0 i am not

[worn locust]

Alternatively we go supernatural and "Part of the loop" in Sullivan is that Judge can canoncially rewind time to do missions perfectly /s

[regal grotto]

So lets say you find the container before securing the scene, Judge leaves the container open and a woman runs getting shot by the gangsters, Judge will get lambasted for not securing them

[fallen sail]

no way that's real

[sharp stone]

Yeah I get it

[mental dune]

this game has rather piss poor envormetnal story telling

[worn locust]

I'm joking but hey, you never know!

[fallen sail]

I know i haven't paid that much attention to the lore but no way there's a metanarrative that judge is just fucking god

[worn locust]

Nah I think he just means cycle of government control or something.

Still funny to joke that grinding over and over for S-rank is canon

[fallen sail]

even funnier if you do it on commander and check the shrine after you do it

[worn locust]

That's what happened lmao, first full run I never saw the basement

It was only when going for S-rank I saw it since one of the suspects was down there. (I then opened a booby trapped door)

I must say I was very surprised at the.....outfit choice...of the suspect in that mission

[mental dune]

the voice lines are also . . . the fact the reporting voice lines and toc responce lines are on a loop. they can say the most insensitive stuff

[worn locust]

I think some of it is cool but uh, then AI art

But yeah I am curious where any future missions will go since RON's setting means it could go anywhere. (We could go absurd like SWAT 3/Target Liberty and have us stopping nukes in the end.)

[sharp stone]

Never played SWAT 3 but that's just peak

[tender mantle]

Is there any news or information on when RoN is coming to console?

[worn locust]

You even get a unique game over screen of LA getting nuked if you fail, it's honestly surprising how wild SWAT gets compared to Police Quest.

SWAT 4 and 1 are the only "Normal" ones. (With 1 mainly being distinct it seems because of how bad it is.)

[eternal tundra]

Let's hope never.

Consoles should cease to exist, they always ruin good games

If it weren't for PCs, consoles would be extinct and this would be a better place

[mighty totem]

SWAT 4 is the only reason I got RoN

[tender mantle]

Lmfao that’s a wild take.

[sharp stone]

Don't send the military. No. Send like 5 SWAT officers to stop a nuke. Love that logic. Hope we get a mission in Ready or Not that's absurd as hell lol

[rigid bone]

My brother in christ

[mighty totem]

Absolutely brain dead take

[rigid bone]

Consoles are important to the gaming atmosphere as accessibility tools

[worn locust]

To be fair those instances are very much "oh crap there's a nuke we have to stop it now"

[worn locust]

IMO, the main issues people associate with consoles 9/10 times are actually "Publisher wants to dumb the game down"

[tender mantle]

You know they said they want to and should bring the game to Next gen consoles sometime in 24 right….

[eternal tundra]

Consoles ruin tactical fps like this.

[rigid bone]

Not everyone can afford, in funds, space, or time, to have a PC

[worn locust]

Reminder that the original ARMA was on the Xbox

[rigid bone]

also this

It's the Publishers, not the platform

[eternal tundra]

They only serve to raise good money.

[rigid bone]

As someone that's been in the industry I can confirm that

[worn locust]

Infact that was an updated remake with better character models and the ARMA 1 engine.

[mighty totem]

Is there any chance RoN will come to the Atari 2600?

[pliant briar]

funfact: console is more expensive longterm

[worn locust]

To me at least, the big issue with some games being made more arcade-y was more that it's not an option.

[vernal cairn]

They should add a way to throw people down flights of stairs..

[rigid bone]

Yes but it's the boot problem

[eternal tundra]

I support this

[worn locust]

Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, while it has a few issues, is one of my fav tactical shooters and it was made for consoles.

[tender mantle]

How so?

[mental dune]

same, i was wanting ready or not to be swat 5. I got it becasue the Elite Force dev used to work on this game. Now we have a mess with good gun play but meh maps and trash ai

[eternal tundra]

They have to be less lazy, stop spending money on nonsense and you will see how the money is enough.

Someone who lives in LATAM tells you that it is not exactly the source of a good economy.

[rigid bone]

Less sales and proprietary hardware

[pliant briar]

games are more expensive there and subscriptions (to play online in games lmao)

[eternal tundra]

.

[mighty totem]

So like will RoN come to the atari?

[tender mantle]

Yeah, that’s fair I just always wait for sales usually

[pliant briar]

not to mention that if a switch to next generation happens, it's not guaranteed the games for the older console will still work

[mental dune]

that i would like to see, if we are dealing with miliatery trained ai atleast give us a level that makes sence for this ai and is also fun.

[worn locust]

But yeah tactical console games are possible, it's just the genre itself is mostly neglected nowadays.

Even if it's on the "tactical-lite" scale of something like Conflict Desert Storm or Brothers in Arms

[eternal tundra]

But PC improved them and we got the wonder of Arma2 and Arma3, next Arma4

[worn locust]

And ARMA Reforger is on console

[mental dune]

We dont speak of Reforger

[worn locust]

And well uhhh, I love ARMA but ARMA gameplay didn't really evolve until 3

[rigid bone]

Reforger could make a comeback

[eternal tundra]

Reforger is shit

[worn locust]

Reforger's issue is that it's low on content and was basically a paid engine test.

[mental dune]

^

[eternal tundra]

I was on the testing team

[worn locust]

but the fact is that OG ARMA aka Operation Flashpoint was feature complete on the xbox including the mission editor

[eternal tundra]

They did it this way because they lost money when buying a recycled engine.

[mental dune]

reforger has enough chance of a chance to make a comeback as void is of making a good ai. and if void pulls that off i will be suprised

[eternal tundra]

and they merged it and got the new enfusion engine which has interesting things, but they ruined a lot of things that worked perfectly in Arma3

[worn locust]

ARMA 2 was intended to go to consoles but well, ARMA engine is not exactly easy to run

[eternal tundra]

All because console children don't have enough buttons

[worn locust]

So why is ARMA 3 not on console

[eternal tundra]

What they did is even despicable, the Arma community is not very happy, much less those of us who were on the team.

[worn locust]

It's a bit simplified but Dragon Rising is still a pretty good tactical shooter imo.

[buoyant jolt]

War thunder players on console having to push five buttons and spin a thing to do one thing I can do in a single button press

[worn locust]

Codemasters using the Operation Flashpoint name despite not making flashpoint was definitely a thing though

But yeah while you can't reach PC level complexity/controls, at least without having holding buttons to open sub menus being a thing, you can still make decent shooters that require tactics instead of COD Clones.

[eternal tundra]

Many functions for few buttons friend.

That's what makes Arma 3 essentially a good game besides its mods.

[worn locust]

It's just COD clones sell better.

[eternal tundra]

In summary.

Consoles = shit that ruins the tactical games industry

PC = is the father of all

[worn locust]

While it was a bit clunky, Dragon Rising managed to use a big radial menu to get tons of orders into the game. (as well as the map screen.)

[buoyant jolt]

Glorious PC master race 💪

[eternal tundra]

Don't try to defend the consoles.

It is a discussion that they have already lost against PC.

It's like trying to swim in a sea of ​​lava, you won't succeed.

[mental dune]

consoles have a place

[eternal tundra]

yes in shit

[mental dune]

tho i am annoyed at the fact we are almost half way though this console gen and have gotten no games. is it so hard to just fully utilise the hard ware infront of them . . .

[worn locust]

Which is why Dragon Rising (which I honestly think is better than ARMA 2 without it's DLC) and Brothers in Arms were made for console yet are good.

[eternal tundra]

They should extinguish the consoles.

If Sony and Xbox made PC there would be better prices and more competition

[worn locust]

They want to make big visually impressive modern games and they are expensive as hell.

[eternal tundra]

This translates into more satisfied customers with more possibilities.

[pliant briar]

as a way to let extremely technologically incompetent people enjoy games, sure

[thin path]

they have very low cost for relatively good performance
PCs have better performance for higher cost
laptops have the highest cost for the performance offered
all have their place

[worn locust]

Bruh games haven't been technologicaly complex to run since DOS

[eternal tundra]

It's like adapting a candy so that a monkey can eat it

[pliant briar]

read what i said again

[eternal tundra]

But the PC lasts you for many more years and remains efficient, the consoles do not

[mental dune]

its also a way to sit down and game without having to dick around with the settings that reset because an update was pushed. or having everything studder because computer said no

[eternal tundra]

You make a big expense once in your life and then you don't update it again for like 10 years.

[thin path]

you can replace console after a few years and itll still end up cheaper than one PC

[eternal tundra]

Your console is a piece of shit that makes you spend money with each generation, the PC can be procedurally updated by individual component

[worn locust]

But yeah games take longer because games set extreme standards for graphics and now the casual consumer wants them all the time

[eternal tundra]

That is completely false

[pliant briar]

again, consoles are more expensive longterm

[worn locust]

Same with open worlds getting way too bloody large. (GTA V shoutout where the map is way larger than Vice City and it adds nothing!)

[rigid bone]

That is provably false though

[runic aspen]

if you are not familiar with a windows system theres also the troubles of settings, driver updates, etc.

[eternal tundra]

Economics is not your friendly field

[mental dune]

my pc cost more then my ps5 and effectly have the same specs and plays the same games at the same framerates.

[worn locust]

Tactical Shooters aren't dead because consoles, they're dead because mass market appeal.

[pliant briar]

gta 5 feels empty because there's only one city

[eternal tundra]

It's easier than stealing candy from the child who lives next to you

[mental topaz]

Prices change

[thin path]

oh we are talking about cheap PCs that will be just as outdated few years in then

[runic aspen]

for us yes for someone who rarely uses a PC no

[undone matrix]

I'm not so sure sadly. Used to be in an ARMA Clan and holy shit, ARMA 3 mods had so much to offer. I think it'll take great time before Arma Reforger or ARMA 4 can even be up to date of what ARMA 3 has to offer

[worn locust]

Again, Dragon Rising has almost all of the stuff that matters in ARMA on the 360 and PS3

[eternal tundra]

there is google

[rigid bone]

PCs are more powerful and versatile multi-media devices

[worn locust]

And even more was accomplished on the original xbox remake of the original.

[mental dune]

gta v feels anything but empty unless you are playing online on pc. Ps5 and Xbox series is actually the place to play them tbh

[worn locust]

or more GTA V is badly made compared to past GTA games

[thin path]

yes
and consoles are cheaper and offer good performance for what they cost
which is why both have a place

[eternal tundra]

Furthermore, it is not our fault that these people do not know how to use their brains to learn how to use a PC.

It's extremely easy

[worn locust]

Again, if we could get ARMA running (with worse graphics admittingly) on the xbox and an ARMA-like on the 360, it's clearly not a tech issue anymore.

[pliant briar]

the map is mostly the same no matter the platform though?

[rigid bone]

I'm also agreeing with that bit, consoles do have their place

[eternal tundra]

That is false

[worn locust]

It's an issue of "We need games to look pretty as possible because people expect it and tactical shooters are niche."

[runic aspen]

thats great but some people prefer to have the plug and play of console

[thin path]

any argumentation or just making a statement

[worn locust]

Among other things, it's basically mainly a Cost vs Profit situation.

(not that I agree with completely dropping niche genres because more money but that's the way it works.)

[mental dune]

i would aruge that consoles are more versatile mulit media devices. My pc has an optical drive but without that there very few streaming services that support surround sound on pc

[eternal tundra]

We already argued that consoles generate greater expenses in the long term. while the PC does not and you also improve your performance with much less expenses.

In fact, the annual spending on PC is 0

[pliant briar]

lmao

[worn locust]

Ubisoft didn't make Siege because you couldn't make Rainbow Six 3 work on the PS4

[eternal tundra]

Consoles are cheap but they don't perform and can't beat PC

[thin path]

no you just stated that

[worn locust]

They made Siege because Hero Shooters are popular and mtx via that makes money.

[runic aspen]

people might not have 2-3k to drop on a PC. yeah its cheaper long term.

why not just buy a house outright? youre spending more long term with interest rates. its just one big expense

[eternal tundra]

Don't insult weapons like that, you'll get a beating

[worn locust]

You are giving publishersfar too much credit if you assume that a simple command system is impossible on consoles

[mental dune]

the map is the same. No matter the platform there is always trafic and the world is always alive with npcs walking around, etc.

The issue with console vs pc is with hackers, Online hackers will despawn the npcs and the npc cars so it will be less dence then it is in singal player

[worn locust]

https://faqsmedia.ign.com/faqs/image/article/103/1035048/of2dr_rings.jpg Here is the Dragon Rising Order menu

[pliant briar]

tbf budget pcs still perform slightly worse (while costing more) than current gen consoles

[worn locust]

which is actually not even all of it as it's lacking contextual ones, like vehicle/enemy commands when looking directly at them

[eternal tundra]

It's not my fault that people don't have enough IQ to make money.

This is solved by being smart and working to achieve your goal, and if you don't raise 3,000 dollars in the United States in 2 months, then you are mediocre.

[north musk]

guys the dlc is 3 maps and 3 new guns right?

[modest fern]

No, just 3 maps and cosmetics, the guns are free for all.

[mental dune]

im not wrong. Browsers are not the best way of watching netflix. A ps5 can replace a uhd bluray player and still play games.

[worn locust]

They got ordering flanks, supressing fire, formations and squad spread on the 360 and it works.

[modest fern]

Not gonna lie, have not bought a physical disk in years

Kinda defeats console at that point

[eternal tundra]

Give me a practical example of that. My PC is not more expensive than current consoles but it does have better performance

[worn locust]

(and context commands that aren't included, like boarding vehicles.)

[pliant briar]

chances are the netflix app you have on your console is secretly an embedded browser

[thin path]

specs

[modest fern]

Let's not get into insult territory, I haven't had caffeine yet

[mental dune]

physical is king.

@pliant briar it isnt actually, I worry that an update might change that. Disney plus was an app now its an edge browser.

[worn locust]

You straight up have more commands than Ghost Recon or Rainbow Six 1

[thin path]

because i call BS on 500$ PC even having a gpu

[north musk]

okay can’t wait to get it!!!

[rigid bone]

If a service support surround on console, it supports it on PC though. I have a small NUC computer in my living room that I built out of a old work station that has surround sound without special hardware or software

[runic aspen]

but calling people mediocre and lacking IQ for not having 3k to drop on a PC isnt an insult, got it

[worn locust]

On the glorious PC master race.

[red jay]

if you're not selling NFTs, Crypto, running an Onlyfans page AND gambling by 18 don't talk to me.

This community is for sigma minded alphas only

[modest fern]

I just got here idk man

[runic aspen]

cool 👍

[eternal tundra]

My PC costs 1000 dollars

[rigid bone]

Bro?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/405105476126?itmmeta=01J35VDKGFVR3CJG56BC70JT1Q&hash=item5e522b021e:g:gYcAAOSwC59mlpyF

[worn locust]

I love tactical games but it's not consoles that killed them, it was publishers going for what makes the most money over everything else.

[runic aspen]

you forgot dropshipping smh look at this beta

[eternal tundra]

sorry 2000 counting the last update

[worn locust]

Same reason console strategy games are rare.

[rigid bone]

You can build console-equivalent PCs for the same price point

[thin path]

thats double of what consoles cost
does your 1000$ also include your mouse and keyboard?

[worn locust]

(Nintendo with Fire Emblem keeping it alive as well as that Advance Wars remake.)

[thin path]

used 1070 from how long ago?
lol

[rigid bone]

Old hardware isn't bad hardware

[eternal tundra]

I said they ruin them, not that they killed them.

You can't get an Arma 3 for consoles, it doesn't exist because the console sucks

[rigid bone]

also modern =! good

[worn locust]

Or you know, ARMA's engine is infamously unoptomized.

[rigid bone]

the 20 series is worse than the 10 series in a lot of ways

[modest fern]

what the hell

How is best buy selling a PC with a 4060 for 1k

[thin path]

no, but then the budget drops further to some 350-400$ since that gives you a used console

[worn locust]

We literally have a game like ARMA 2 and better imo on consoles with Dragon Rising.

[eternal tundra]

Includes keyboard, mouse, 144hz monitor and little else

[worn locust]

Mainly because ARMA 2's base campaign is bad

[mental dune]

Idk, do you use like a receiver? I have a logitch 5.1 system that plugs into my sound card and only netflix works. Disney plus used to before the app became a webapp.

Something about drm and the browser means if its in the browser its just stereo
(Also sorry for pings i forgot to turn the button off sometimes)

[thin path]

very cool, but thats double of a new console

[worn locust]

https://faqsmedia.ign.com/faqs/image/article/103/1035048/of2dr_rings.jpg Once again, they fit all these commands and more on a controller by the magic of holding one button down to bring up a menu

[eternal tundra]

That excuse is not valid, weapon reforger has a new engine and they ruined the game just because the console can't handle the functions, don't put optimization into this

[modest fern]

But can a console run a version of Minecraft that lets you actually mod it without a predatory microtransaction story

[worn locust]

Yet operation flashpoint dragon rising exists as well as Brothers in Arms and the fact They made a version of Raven Shield for the Xbox

[eternal tundra]

You will have to change the console, I will not change any component for 10 or 15 years.

[rigid bone]

Nope, it works straight off of the standard sound outputs on the back of the PC

[eternal tundra]

In that time you have spent what I have to maintain your last generation of garbage

[thin path]

that is a lie
you will not be using those components for 10 to 15 years

[runic aspen]

brothers in arms mentioned

[pliant briar]

hard to give you a reasonable example as the market in my country is different, but to get equivalent performance in a pc you need to spend $250 (converted from my local currency) more compared to getting ps5 digital (btw ps5 is fucking expensive)

[worn locust]

Reforger is lacking functions because it's a new engine in it's infancy and even then it has new functions like bandging wounds and melee

[fringe scroll]

Hoo boy console vs pc war

[mental dune]

1070 still really really good. Nothing on the market takes advatange of anything past the 30 seires so why bother paying for laters and greatest. 10 seires is still very solid

[worn locust]

Funfact: Operation Flashpoint Dragon RIsing is the first game I've seen have you bandage your bleeding as a mechanic without mods

[eternal tundra]

It may even be more.

Time does not affect technology, but rather the temperature and cleanliness conditions at which they work.

[pliant briar]

it's mediocre at best

will struggle with modern games

[worn locust]

OF:DR Literally has a function ya'll were modding into ARMA before Reforger as a basic feature on the PS3.

[thin path]

oh yea i have a 15 year old laptop that works
let me just go play modern games on it

[fringe scroll]

Modern games are all poorly optimized

[worn locust]

I can't believe the 360 is powerful enough to do bleeding.

[mental dune]

yeah if you set it to ultra. Not to mention they are not optimized at all

[eternal tundra]

You're telling me things that I already know, I was on their testing team and those things are absurdly basic.

[worn locust]

or how Ghost Recon 1 was mostly ported unchanged to the PS2 aside from less characters at once.

[thin path]

uhhh
wrong, no
many games will press cards easily, especially that we are not aiming at 30fps or 1080p

[pliant briar]

no, i'm talking about medium settings, 1080p at 60fps. lack of dlss doesn't help either

[eternal tundra]

My pc is not portable, WTF

[thin path]

(missing the point)

[mental dune]

just wait till they find out about ace

[worn locust]

Consoles can do tactical games if they're built for it, it's just publishers don't want to

[rigid bone]

I think we've very much jumpped the shark here y'all

[eternal tundra]

Even so, I bet that the RAZER will reach 15 or 20 years and run modern games perfectly.

[pliant briar]

does that include games ported by nixxes?

[rigid bone]

This has kinda pivoted from a discussion to bias vs bias

[runic aspen]

tl;dr PC sucks Console sucks

go join the marines

[thin path]

neither suck, they are different devices for different audience

[eternal tundra]

That's a lie, they can't even handle a quarter of the added features that can be packed into a PC version.

[worn locust]

Best Tactical Console is the Switch clearly

[worn locust]

And you don't need all the features to make a solid tactical game.

[eternal tundra]

Accept your reality and the fact is that consoles are real shit

[pliant briar]

and if you really hate having money, start cycling

[thin path]

tacticool*

[fringe scroll]

What about portable pc like steam deck

[eternal tundra]

They only exist to satisfy the poor who don't want to work hard to afford a decent PC.

[runic aspen]

that was not intended to be taken literally

[worn locust]

A basic musou, Fire Emblem: three hopes, has permadeath and levelling systems on the switch, it's almost like it's game design in the end.

[fringe scroll]

You can't be serious

[thin path]

i figured by the marine part, but still found it relevant to say in regard to rest of conversation here xd

[eternal tundra]

Oh yes, we will play a tactical game like a COD but slower

[pliant briar]

poor people can't afford consoles either

[mental dune]

What streaming services do you have it working for? Might need to findout how you got it setup because the move away from dedicated apps is hurting my experience

[worn locust]

ARMA has 20 million commands and that's fine but as long as I can tell a squad to follow me and breach rooms, I'm usually happy.

[sick stirrup]

LMAO

[worn locust]

Not every game needs to be as complex as possible, you just need a high TTK, a reliable squad you can control and good gunplay.

[rigid bone]

PLEX, Disney, Netflix

[eternal tundra]

Well, that does not characterize a weapon or games of that range.

You already lost crack

[runic aspen]

nah 💀

[worn locust]

SWAT: Target Liberty on the PSP has:

Mirroring Doors

Lockpicking Doors

Breaching with C2/Flashbangs.

Using a breaching shotgun if the door is still locked.

[eternal tundra]

Things that on console end up being absolutely poor, like the gameplay

[runic aspen]

this mf did not just say that

[worn locust]

Ok, name a terrible tactical shooter on console that's because of the console specifically

[fringe scroll]

I think that's bait

[eternal tundra]

TRUE

[sick stirrup]

bro is NOT in reality

[runic aspen]

wrd or probably some weak attempt at humor

[rigid bone]

Alrighty

I think it's time to move onto another Topic

[runic aspen]

nah hes dead serious if u arent able to drop 3k in a month for a pc ur mediocre and have low IQ 🙂

[mental dune]

i would aruge consoles make better games.. Or more importantly limitations. A forced limitation, you cant just throw better hardware at it you have to optimise

[sick stirrup]

kammmmmmmmm

[rigid bone]

like why the SA58 is the best gun in RoN

Hands down

[worn locust]

Silent HIll Fog

[eternal tundra]

Will the woke progressives want to censure me again for saying that the poor are mentally weak?

[worn locust]

Counterpoint: It's not as cool as the Mp5/10

[fringe scroll]

Alright

[rigid bone]

Factually incorrect

[runic aspen]

can someone mute this dude already

[mental dune]

p90 best gun hands down

[runic aspen]

omds

[pliant briar]

are you ok?

[worn locust]

Now if we were really cooking, we'd have the MP5/10 with an MP5K foregrip and the full size stock

[sick stirrup]

kammmmmmmmm can we pretty please get fast food map back 🥺

[hollow talon]

Counterpoint: you get 50rd of 5.7 in the P90

[rigid bone]

Nyet

No fast food for you

[eternal tundra]

I'm wonderfully well

[modest fern]

Fast food is bad for you

[pliant briar]

~said by an american btw

[worn locust]

Maximum absurd tacticool MP5.

High power 10mm catridge.

Iconic fixed stock.

MP5K barrel and grip.

[thin path]

reason why its the best gun:

1. its not

[eternal tundra]

LMAO

[sick stirrup]

the only time i actually want fast food...

[rigid bone]

Hey. I'm remote, I don't leave my house, so I don't get fast food.

[worn locust]

Literally Team Rainbow's main gun.

[thin path]

f90 best gun, beautiful bullpup (gimme real aug tho)

[rigid bone]

I do eat lots of rice though

Rice Cooker OP

[red jay]

reason why the SA-58 sucks, a comprehensive list

it slept with my wife

[fringe scroll]

MP7 is the goat. Don't @ me

[rigid bone]

You should have been there for her.

[worn locust]

I'd say the best gun is the M14 if we could use it

[eternal tundra]

My friend on the road to diabetes

[solemn rapids]

Everyone knows the best weapon is the breaching charge, stealthy when you deploy and loud when you attack

[thin path]

(and by her he means the gun)

[eternal tundra]

Give up rice if you don't want to be diabetic in a few years.

[red jay]

How am I supposed to compete with 16-18 inches???????

[runic aspen]

bro isnt done with these shittakes

[worn locust]

Best gun is Breaching Shotgun because it leaves a slot for your MP5/10

[pliant briar]

the best weapon in ron is pepper spray

[eternal tundra]

🤫

[fringe scroll]

The best weapon is the door wedge

[solemn rapids]

No it’s the wedge bro cmon

[worn locust]

I still need to see how terrible the Breaching Shotgun is at killing

SWAT 4 BS literally couldn't kill someone before running out of ammo

[thin path]

wedges op tbh

[eternal tundra]

Facts

[pliant briar]

george m*

[red jay]

maybe the real best weapon is the friends we made along the way

[solemn rapids]

That’s enough bro

Too far

[fringe scroll]

[worn locust]

The best weapon is the RDG-5 Tripwire grenade

So OP that it forces everyone to play around it

[eternal tundra]

The best weapon is my foot against the suspect's face

[worn locust]

False kicking isn't in the game

[rigid bone]

You mean 20.

[eternal tundra]

I do not care

[worn locust]

Huh the RON PVP build had kicking for the arrest animations

[eternal tundra]

no

PVP mode was really shit

[regal grotto]

SA-58 has a 20 inch barrel?

[modest fern]

Pretty sure we still have that animation of you kicking them while they were surrendered and then cuffing

[worn locust]

I'm not sure if I can post it but there's a vid where the guy kicks the guy in the leg before shoving him

(Again not sure if that's technically a leak or not or if the anim is in the files)

[stark scaffold]

Yeah, there was some interesting arrest anims

[sonic wyvern]

can someone carry my ass in the isle of march?
i keep blowing up opening doors...
im like at my 20th attempt

[pliant briar]

no, it's like ~10-14, i think?

[worn locust]

Mirror EVERYTHING

[hollow talon]

mirror and peak check doors

[eternal tundra]

Use your brain better, check the door and then pass it

[mental topaz]

that one animation where he kicks a leg to make them kneel

[sonic wyvern]

how

[sinful forge]

Peek the door bro

[eternal tundra]

Use the mirror or open it partially, illuminate the lower area and you will see the cable or not if it does not have an explosive

[sinful forge]

Literally the wire is there, or use the mirror gun

[solid cape]

It's still in the files and you can use those anims instead of defaults one #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[eternal tundra]

Fantastic, I need them

[worn locust]

Add them if you melee someone with zipcuffs equipped

[sonic wyvern]

uhhhh i see...
i was using the riot shield

[solid cape]

Or just use same system that was in PVP, if you stun player you can interact with him and arrest

[eternal tundra]

The best thing is that if you are a shield, a partner is in charge of checking the door

[sonic wyvern]

i play solo

no friends yet

[eternal tundra]

Stop doing it and find people to play with.

[eternal tundra]

Here you can make good friends

[regal grotto]

Ok so I think SA58 is 11 or 13 inches long

[eternal tundra]

I think it's closer to 11 inches.

[solar marten]

hello guys i clicking to the play button and game doesnt launching. drivers are updated too, can someone help me? i uninstall and downloaded again too.

[eternal tundra]

#💻tech-support

[solar marten]

thanks

[fringe scroll]

Oh wow, imagine a qte when arresting a suspect but he tries to pull a gun on you

[sonic wyvern]

the ai is bad....
i was using the mirror gun and an enemy came from behind and killed my teammate and i somehow opened the door while fireing back at the guy and i died too

i feel like no ar is beginner friendly

[eternal tundra]

Oh yeah, the AI ​​needs to be polished, nothing new

[worn locust]

SWAT Global Strike Team Ig has that if you consider "shout for compliance an extra time"

(Late-game suspects will draw their sidearm when you go for an arrest unless you yell at them before they draw.)

[polar breach]

I think the AI has been the biggest complaint

[sonic wyvern]

i give up, i go learn the game into lower maps

[polar breach]

The gas station is a good one to learn from

[mental topaz]

how do i get my helmet back

i put on no helmet and i forgot where i change it

[regal grotto]

I think left handed shooting is a hard thing to adapt

Not all guns can extract bullets left side

[sleek elm]

not all guns should, its not really a major issue until you are using a bullpup

[regal grotto]

A left handed modified M4A1 is cursed

[sleek elm]

be the division 2
make left-hand modded M4 as an exotic
casings still come out of the right side of the gun

[regal grotto]

Ubislop

[mental topaz]

please i need my helmet back ☹️

[sleek elm]

the best way to find how to get your helmet back is to go through all of the menus until you find where the helmets are. i think its the same place where you change your shirt

[solid cape]

In your loadout

[runic aspen]

tom clancys rainbow six siege will be the end of me

[regal grotto]

Tom Clancy had no hand in this, stop using his name for quick buck

[mental topaz]

thank you

[runic aspen]

rollin in his grave

[mental topaz]

didnt they fuck up their game?

[regal grotto]

Ubisoft unironically only hand out nerfs

[mental topaz]

like hard

[regal grotto]

Release a broken operator or gun and then all changes are nerfs

Siege has shit lore and shit balancing

[runic aspen]

factually
to the grave

[wintry crescent]

Rainbow Six from mid to trash 101

[mortal trench]

tom clancy games 100% slop nowadays

[lilac vale]

💀

[mental topaz]

everytime i play siege (randomly) the cutscenes are always about the team getting shot then somehow coming back from the dead

[regal grotto]

They are pulling a Jesus

[umbral thunder]

Havent touched that shit since 2018 and even back then it was losing its identity

[mental topaz]

literally survived a revolver shot to the chest

[regal grotto]

Blame it on Esports

[mortal trench]

ghost recon breakpoint is peak in terms of boring

[lilac vale]

Amen girl

[mental topaz]

i still play breakpoint, its fun, also picked up wildlands on ps5 (it sucks)