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[distant rose]

?

[tired moth]

like grenade launcher looking thing or do you mean the long tac

[slow jungle]

I fat fingered Enter

[distant rose]

Both. I use both for non lethal runs

[tired moth]

so they have to be unharmed basically

[distant rose]

Fair enuf

[slow jungle]

They just can't be bleeding out, no rule against a beanbag to the Sternum tho

[tired moth]

well i meant the grenade launcher its not out for everyone yet i thought they were been supposed to release it

[tired moth]

the beanbag is inconsistent unfortunately

[distant rose]

I have it and i only got this game late last year?

[slow jungle]

Best Non-Lethal primary tho

[distant rose]

M32A1>

[rocky plover]

i find it better than pepperball guns tbh, but m32a1 is just the best and too op

[tired moth]

interesting what section is it in

[distant rose]

Launchers

Primary

[tired moth]

definately beats pepperballs

the m32 is broken ash

[distant rose]

There is also a tactical flash launcher but the primary one has a 6 round revolving mag so instant follow up flashes

[slow jungle]

Sucks for the AI tho, they basically refuse to use it cause they have a weird engagement distance with it

[rocky plover]

beanbag is just more ammo economic too i find it

[distant rose]

Tru

[rocky plover]

ye they fire so slow with it too, they're best with the m32a1 cos it literally requires no aim and has AoE effect

[distant rose]

But if u run light ammo, with the flash tactical as well, you have enough ammo for maps like HaS and ANA

[tired moth]

yea just double checked i dont have it did you by chance by a different addition

idk if they have different ones just guessing

[distant rose]

Nope. Base game

Steam

[tired moth]

o mb thats why

im on ps5

my pc specs cant run ron that well

[distant rose]

Fair enough

[rocky plover]

needed pre-order or deluxe edition for console to have it, but they're gonna give it for free (should have been with this update but i guess it was delayed)

[distant rose]

Curious why consoles dont have launcher primarys

[rocky plover]

^

[distant rose]

Huh

[tired moth]

they were supposed to add it like last year i thought

[tired moth]

makes sense

[slow jungle]

Ngl Rustbelt is just as annoying as Greased Palms

[distant rose]

Aiming on console is harder asw. If anyone needs M32 its console players

[rocky plover]

true

[distant rose]

I remember when i used to play console

hoist the sails ahhh senstivity

[tired moth]

ive seen so may crazy pc flicks and genuinely questioned if we were on the same game

its crazy

[distant rose]

rotation of an M10 Wolverine

[rocky plover]

😆

[tired moth]

i feel like a bodybuilder tryna grab a sticky note off my back when i get flanked my sens cant react fast enough

[distant rose]

Fr

[tired moth]

pc and console have crossplay right?

[distant rose]

Oh ANA must be so hard on controller. Step over one laser and you literally cant react to the door being kicked open behind you

[tired moth]

in short console is fun but also a massive struggle sometimes especially tryna s rank like post office i dont even want to attemp on hard

[slow jungle]

Tbh I feel like post office needs a rework

[tired moth]

definately its hell

[slow jungle]

It's not even like a fun challenge imo, it's just dealing with shitty angles

[tired moth]

yeah i feel like theyre on siege and im on cod

maybe fortnite actually

[slow jungle]

Also it really sucks that Traps don't seem to really be a thing after Lethal Obsession, like they show up a lil bit but even in missions like Ides of March or Sins of the Father you'll run into like two maybe

Same thing with Suspects faking being down, it pops up in Sins of the Father and like never again

[marble flume]

Traps are a lot more frequent on Hard

[tired moth]

im glad to say the absolute least

[slow jungle]

Underutilized variants

[tired moth]

traps sometimes are weird on console its hard to get the right angle and just when you think your in the clear you have to restart the whole mission

[slow jungle]

Yea I know that but it feels like Standard is baby mode in an unfun way. I want the same complexity as hard just keep the enemies the same

Like I wanna deal with Traps and enemies faking being downed, I don't wanna deal with every enemy wearing body armor, having high morale, etc

[tired moth]

simple fix

they should add custom game modes where you can modify all of that

[agile basin]

Should I play ron now?

[tired moth]

but in the base game not mods

[gritty coyote]

If someone can outgun hard AI on a controller, I pretty much respect it

Is there aim assist for controllers?

[tired moth]

no

its basically siege

you can definately outgun its not super hard its just annoying when theres 5 of them hitting all headshots from pixel peaks

[gritty coyote]

The hard AI reacts faster than counterstrike

[lost inlet]

There is bullet magnetisms.

[rocky plover]

yes, bullet magnetism - a form of assist, but it was actually bugged and idk if its fixed

[lost inlet]

Rip.

Of course it’s bugged.

[slow jungle]

They should also just realize, which is something I'm surprised most companies haven't figured out yet, is that I still want the full mechanical complexity of a higher difficulty without the cheaty bullet spongue AI. Most people who wanna play on Normal still want the full experience, locking that away behind a higher difficulty is stupid

[tired moth]

ive never heard of that let alone used

[gritty coyote]

There's zero bullet sponge in this game

[rocky plover]

i've heard it makes your shots dont register lmao - thats how bugged it is

[gritty coyote]

2 5.56 NATO rounds to the chest kill any suspects

[slow jungle]

I just meant in general, this game still makes the AI cheaty with increased accuracy

[tired moth]

yea they need some new heads i feel like they are running out of ideas or throwing them out there then discarding them

[rocky plover]

but this was on console release, idk if it was fixed since then

[gritty coyote]

Aimbotting is real. No sponge here

[feral yacht]

hi guys, does anyone here like to play ron as accurate as possible?

[gritty coyote]

That's why I play this game

[lost inlet]

From the name of it, i’m guessing how it supposed to works is that your bullet will auto heads toward the suspect if your center of aim is near them.

[feral yacht]

I'm looking for some guidance in a specific loadout

[grizzled belfry]

I feel like they should maybe add in a difficulty customiser

[slow jungle]

Yes but Spetsnaz accurate where I start blastin immediately

[tired moth]

o you mean like how mobile games auto shoot when you cross over an enemy?

[grizzled belfry]

You can decide how hard you want your AI

Do they squad up?

Do they run around and kick down doors actively trying to find you like the MLO?

Would also allow for deciding trap setting

[gritty coyote]

The aimbotting is unfair at first until you realize that's just compensation. Enemy AI can't peek like you do. They don't respond to free lean at all so if you expect them you can always lean and win. They also can't use mirror gun or tactical shield or rotary bang.

[grizzled belfry]

And also bullet endurance

[lost inlet]

I guess, i was thinking of new order’s jet trooper when i hear the term bullet magnetism.

[grizzled belfry]

The ability to customise particular aspects of the difficulty could be really fun for some people

[tired moth]

are we playing the same game when i lean they still shoot especially the free when

one*

[gritty coyote]

Skill issue. Learn to free lean then

[slow jungle]

The issue is that even without leaning, being able to tell where they are is a win. The issue is that on maps like Greased Palms it's just obnoxious because of how many rotations and cheaky angles there are

[lost inlet]

Nope, no and nah.

[rocky plover]

no, it basically "supposed to" register a shot as hit even if you're off by a little bit, different from auto aim or auto fire

[lost inlet]

Ah fuck.

[gritty coyote]

Lean gradually. Stop the moment you see a shadow. Don't go all the way. Fire

[tired moth]

how is that a skill issue you guys complain about it being to easy and rely on free leaning and like i previously said they still shoot unless your on casual

[grizzled belfry]

Yeah but again it'd be an option

[gritty coyote]

Literally false

[tired moth]

o well thats no fun

[gritty coyote]

Go watch Bres on youtube doing pistol solo clear

[tired moth]

im good thanks for the suggestion tho

[grizzled belfry]

What is free leaning?

[gritty coyote]

I just finished a hard solo myself. Enemies don't respond to lean

[grizzled belfry]

I hear about it a lot but don't know what it is

[rocky plover]

leaning further in all directions possible basically

[tired moth]

how do you enjoy the game tryna cheese

[tacit gull]

dont worry the tutorial doesnt teach you about it

[lost inlet]

Along with many things.

[slow jungle]

Yea tbh cheesing the AI like that feels like more a skill issue than not using freelean

[grizzled belfry]

How do you do it?

[lost inlet]

It’s a skill to just thug it out apparently. 💔

[gritty coyote]

That's literally not cheesing. That requires positioning and playing carefully instead of running and peeking your head out like leeroy

[grizzled belfry]

I didn't know you could lean further than the normal ones from Q and E

[gritty coyote]

Clear angles carefully and you will not get shot

[grizzled belfry]

What's the trick?

[grizzled belfry]

Tbh I don't think I could play hard mode

[slow jungle]

It really is. I'll do it in a firefight but I'm not wiggling around the complex like a snake

[grizzled belfry]

I take so many bullets on standard

[lost inlet]

Don’t worry, the majority of people doesn’t either.

[rocky plover]

hold or toggle lean button and use w,a,s,d (depends on direction you want), can even do S+A for example to lean down and left at the same time

[lost inlet]

That’s how shitty the game is at teaching you stuff.

[gritty coyote]

You should go play cod if you want running like an idiot and not dying

[tired moth]

no its the definition of cheesing your doing something knowing the ai cant shoot back then called it a skill issue because others like to enjoy playing how it was intended

[grizzled belfry]

So if you move while leaning you get more leaning?

[slow jungle]

Also tbh I know my plate is definitely stopping bullets but the lack of feedback that a plate got hit just makes them seem useless, cause most of the time they just leg meta me like a bunch of dickheads in Tarkov

[rocky plover]

you cant move while free leaning, only normal lean while moving

but with free lean you can lean much further than normal, yes

[slow jungle]

You can be a dickhead about it if you want but I still clear A rank without slithering around using Freelean

[grizzled belfry]

When I try using WASD while leaning it just moves me

[gritty coyote]

The game is intended for carefully clearing angles instead of running like an idiot
You can't even run
This game is for methodical and smart play. Learn the intention

[grizzled belfry]

I'm not sure I understand your instrument

[lost inlet]

No, you expose your head and body before your gun even has a line of sight on the target.

[grizzled belfry]

*instructions

I don't even have autocorrect

[rocky plover]

first of all check which key is assigned for your free lean, and check if its hold or toggle

[grizzled belfry]

jesus, my typing is awful

[tired moth]

would you say this game is realistic or at least meant to be played in that manner?

[rocky plover]

the latter tbh

[lost inlet]

RoN is realistic.

[grizzled belfry]

Bruh wtf is the free lean chat 😭

Why am I leaning this far

[rocky plover]

[gritty coyote]

It is meant to be played as I said. Carefully clearing each angle.

There are still random situations where enemies will rush you and flank you and you need to win the quick draw. So don't worry about lack of life and death situations

Some enemies camp. Some push. Some flank

[grizzled belfry]

I just pull out my pistol in desperation and go for the head.

[tired moth]

it was a question because if you think it is realistic or meant to be played that way why are we cheesing the ai if you free lean irl like that your head is gone

[grizzled belfry]

I wish enemies were a bit more responsive to gunfire

[tired moth]

that defeats the whole purpose

[grizzled belfry]

I feel like some enemies just kind of tank bullets

Ik it's just 9mm but like

[slow jungle]

The best way to play is with a 12gauge and slugs shooting people in the throat when they try to act a fool

[grizzled belfry]

It's still a bullet man

[rocky plover]

buckshot*

[gritty coyote]

To the contrary. The point of leaning is that you see their hands not their head. It's very realistic that the person with gun sticking out will die not knowing what hit them

[lost inlet]

Void thinks that’s too unrealistic so they’re not gonna adds that.

[grizzled belfry]

How is this man just acting like I didn't shoot him to pieces

[grizzled belfry]

Aw man

[slow jungle]

Literally the weakest commonly available bullet besides .22

[tired moth]

im not talking about them but rather you i see you misunderstood

[grizzled belfry]

It's still a piece of metal flying at mach fuck piercing your flesh

Bullets are bullets

[rocky plover]

what about .380 XD

[slow jungle]

I prefer slugs, for the occasional armored enemy, also cause the amount of missing limbs was concerning my friends when we'd go about clearing

[gritty coyote]

You are implying they can see your head. They can't unless you over peek
That's how you get clapped and think leaning doesn't work

Have some common sense.

[slow jungle]

Ahh yea true, forgot about that. Still, easily the weakest bullet in the game

[grizzled belfry]

I somewhat get it for enemies with armour but an unarmoured target really shouldn't be tanking 9mm like I'm firing BBs

[rocky plover]

ah i see, problem is against L4 armor though

[grizzled belfry]

Tis still a bullet.

[slow jungle]

Yea and some have much more stopping power than others. 9mm is notoriously pretty wimpy on stopping power

[slow jungle]

Aim head

[grizzled belfry]

Yes but again

[steady cosmos]

yall how do i convince my friend to get this game

[tired moth]

I play on console so there is now pefect leaning in free lean your questioning my common sense and that alone tells me you lack it as common sense isnt very common

[knotty torrent]

I am going to lose it trying to S tier valley of dolls

[grizzled belfry]

You're still almost certainly not gonna be thugging it out unarmoured if you get shot by 9mm

[slow jungle]

If you need to shoot em you're only gettin 5 points, might aswell give the morgue a hard time identifying them

[lost inlet]

Imagine headshotting with slug when you could just do the same thing but better with buckshot.

[rocky plover]

yes, much easier with buckshot though then again because slug is a single projectile

[grizzled belfry]

It might not have as much stopping power as a bigger bullet but again

A bullet is a bullet

[gritty coyote]

Does playing on console make you unable to free lean?

If so that's crap

[lost inlet]

An multiple of them is a lot of bullet.

[rocky plover]

ikr lol, might as well use a rifle, or a pistol even for better fire rate hahaha

[grizzled belfry]

I've seen way too many enemies being entirely able to ignore being shot multiple times with a pistol even when unarmoured and it's kinda ridiculous

[slow jungle]

Yea but I'd seen people complaining about Buckshot already having a super tight spread in the game making the spread choke unecessary. Figured I'd just dump it for slugs and still be able to aim center mass. Also, what enemies are that armored in the game anyway? Feel like I've yet to see them in the base game

[grizzled belfry]

The only 9mm in the game that isn't a total nightmare to use is that new one

[tired moth]

no but the way the sticks are its hard to get a good angle

[rocky plover]

the majority are armored actually

[grizzled belfry]

That or I got better at the game

[lost inlet]

Check the bible of the game, in the pin.

[slow jungle]

There is quite alot of proof of people thuggin out 9mm, especially tweakers and the like. Someones hopped up on something they're not gonna notice it as actively

[tired moth]

the 18c full auto should be better i loaded a mag into a suspect and they ate most of it

[slow jungle]

That armored tho? Feel like I've had 0 issues with Shotguns one tapping centermass

[grizzled belfry]

Yeah but most enemies aren't tweakers

[rocky plover]

ye cos stagger chance is so low with pistol calibers :/

[grizzled belfry]

This happens consistently across the game

And it's kinda ridiculous

And like

[slow jungle]

Gotta use the .50AE 1911

[grizzled belfry]

Multiple bullets

It gets to a point

[gritty coyote]

If you are gonna blame console then you either practice leaning or switch to PC. There's no way to play this game without the leaning

[rocky plover]

because shotguns are that op, slugs pen till L3 armor (highest is L4), and buckshots kill if 4 out of 8 pellets hit limbs

[lost inlet]

How to use pistol effectively:

don’t pull it out in the first place

[grizzled belfry]

Same applies to 5.56 to be honest

I use 7.62 so often because most armoured enemies seem to entirely ignore 5.56 until it kills them

[slow jungle]

This is also why I bring the pepperball pistol instead of a real one. Not only do I just never use a pistol but they're so dogass in this game that I'd rather hit them with something they can't ignore

[tired moth]

taser shots and pistol shots shouldnt be the same and yet they are the taser is realistic because many people can eat a taser shot and keep going but they pistols need a rework

[grizzled belfry]

I mean the new 9mm is actually pretty nice.

The one that's made from like a .45 frame but fires 9mm

[slow jungle]

5.56 is garbage in this game tbh. I also just kinda hate 5.56 platforms in general because they're basically all just a reskinned M4 and that's insanely boring

[grizzled belfry]

I use it a lot and it genuinely seems to do fine

[rocky plover]

staccato? ye i love it as well

[grizzled belfry]

Tis why I want this stuff reworked

[lost inlet]

Still dogshit cause it uses 9mm.

[grizzled belfry]

The S2011-P

[tired moth]

im not fulling blaming the console its not very realistic for a soldier with 50+lbs of armor on to lean at a 45 degree angle

[rocky plover]

ye same thing xD

[gritty coyote]

On hard more 7.62 offers zero advantage over 5.56

They all take 2 hits to kill

[grizzled belfry]

Idk its real life name, but it looks nice and it's amazing in gameplay

[tired moth]

equipment*

[slow jungle]

Tbh I wouldn't really mind the way that same caiber weapons feel the same if they atleast made the modifications make more sense in terms of actually telling you what they do. You'll look at three different handgrips and they'll all just say they lower Vertical Recoil

[grizzled belfry]

I don't play hard mode

Though that seems like nonsense.

[gritty coyote]

On standard 762 is meta
On hard 556 is due to lowest recoil

[lost inlet]

There are only 2 grips that reduces vertical recoil…

[grizzled belfry]

This game needs a lot of reworking for calibers.

[slow jungle]

Just use .300 blackout, atleast it's unique

And not more 5.56 slop

[rocky plover]

this^ although i would add that on standard 6.5 JHP is better for maps up to L3
and on hard .300 JHP is better for maps up to L3 as well

[lost inlet]

And they have the same stat as well.

[slow jungle]

Yes but my point is that overall attachments aren't very clear on how much they do something. There are two muzzles that effect Vertical Recoil but one of them does it better and there's no indication in game. Even if it was just an extra ++ it'd be nice to know

[lost inlet]

Use 7.62x39mm, it’s one of its kind.

[grizzled belfry]

Which one does it better out of curiosity

[lost inlet]

SFMB.

[tired moth]

the shield glass needs work to its hard to aim when you have bullet holes blocking you vision its literally impossible to see

[gritty coyote]

You just like hipster guns then
All power to you

[slow jungle]

The 6.5 gun would be better if it weren't 4 feet long and only semi, I'd rather the GA51

[grizzled belfry]

Oh good that's the one I'm using

[slow jungle]

No I just hate 5.56 platforms cause they're all the same

[gritty coyote]

Go grab the AK and sing balalaika

[rocky plover]

both good, long ye but has way less recoil

[grizzled belfry]

The only reason I'm not maining the 6.5 is because I am bad at the game and dependent on full auto panic fire

[tired moth]

by a lot i think its a 40% reduction

[grizzled belfry]

I have given many a suspect the John Marston treatment.

[lost inlet]

At least you don’t have to worry about the glass breaking and your head exposed.

[slow jungle]

Iirc the SFMB or whatever it is. I can't remember their names atm but one begins with A and the other with S, the one with S is better last I checked

[grizzled belfry]

Tbh I think they just need to do like a sweeping rework of how guns work

[lost inlet]

No it’s not.

[grizzled belfry]

Like, their impact on suspects needs to change.

[slow jungle]

Well if you're just spam firing semi auto recoil isn't that much of a factor iirc

[tired moth]

true but it kinda defeats the purpose unless they plan on adding something with a little more aoe so you dont really need to see

[lost inlet]

ASR muzzle brake only gives 30% less vertical.

[agile basin]

Whats the best gun with what attachments?

[gritty coyote]

So SFMB is better

[grizzled belfry]

Idk tbh

I feel like it's map dependent.

[gritty coyote]

That's what he said

[rocky plover]

ye it is lol

[grizzled belfry]

And difficulty dependent

[agile basin]

The thank you come again with the boiling point DLC.

[lost inlet]

And grass is green.

[lost inlet]

[slow jungle]

Can't reply with an image but the SFMB has an extra 10% in vertical recoil reduction

[agile basin]

No it's blue-

[grizzled belfry]

Like a CQB gun will do better in tighter maps like Sinuous Trail and A Lethal Obsession

[rocky plover]

correct

[grizzled belfry]

But if it's Valley Of The Dolls or Hide and Seek

[tired moth]

there really isnt a best gun theres just some that are better its preference do you like full auto or do you like semi or single it depends on you

[grizzled belfry]

Which have more variation and in some cases longer sightlines

[agile basin]

Semi.

[grizzled belfry]

(VotD is a bit of both imo)

Then you'd want something with better accuracy and lower recoil

[lost inlet]

SFMB offers more vertical reduction than ASR. What’s there to prove?

[agile basin]

Gtg.

[grizzled belfry]

Though the meta for VotD is obviously a deagle, an SA-58 and a switched off body camera.

[slow jungle]

That without an external way to look at the stats, these Muzzles are identical in game

[gritty coyote]

He said SFMB is better
You said no it's not
You just misread him

[rocky plover]

you guys are saying the same thing

lmao

[grizzled belfry]

I lowk thought I was the only one noticing that they were angrily agreeing

[rocky plover]

hahahha

[lost inlet]

They said it started with A and has a S in it so i thought it was ASR.

[grizzled belfry]

I was like "Am I just dumb or are those two agreeing with each other"

[tired moth]

for semi you should use sa58 it does high damage and its reliable you can also use full auto on it but i wouldnt recommend

[grizzled belfry]

No, he said one begins with S and the other begins with A

[slow jungle]

No I said one was an S and the other was A cause I couldn't remember if it was actually called the SFMB

[grizzled belfry]

The ASR and the SFMB

[lost inlet]

[rocky plover]

he said the one with S is better iirc

[grizzled belfry]

Indeed he did.

[slow jungle]

Yees

[tired moth]

or ga51 both have amazing stopping power

[grizzled belfry]

Which means both of you were angrily agreeing

[lost inlet]

I don’t have my glasses on…

[rocky plover]

anyyyyyyyyways its ok, case closed lol

[lost inlet]

They have the same damage.

[grizzled belfry]

"Don't use the SA-58 on full auto"

[grizzled belfry]

But what if I see Amos Voll and I feel the overwhelming urge to give him the John Marston treatment?

[tired moth]

the sa58 on full auto is hell to control at least for me

[rocky plover]

well duh highest recoil rifle in the game (on full auto)

[grizzled belfry]

Put a brake on and pray

[tired moth]

im aware they are both 7.62

[grizzled belfry]

There should be no hesitation when you have Mr Voll in your sights

[tired moth]

😭

[grizzled belfry]

And never use suppressors

They should hear you coming

[tired moth]

theres no point

[gritty coyote]

G36C is best for 5.56
G3A3 or GA51 is best for 7.62

Only two things matter. Length and recoil

[lost inlet]

[grizzled belfry]

They should hear every exchange of gunfire revealing your approach

[tired moth]

the stress level matter but not really since there really isnt a stealth option

[grizzled belfry]

Every single hostile on a level should be not only well aware that you're coming, but terrified

[slow jungle]

Also I don't really know what the chart I'm looking at means when it says Deadzone in relation to attachments but some increase and some don't. The Vertical and TH Grips have -60% but the Angled has -10%, then the Combat and Side ANgle have no change

[tired moth]

yea they should improve the stealth options tho i would love to be on a night map doing an actual silent secure

[grizzled belfry]

I would also appreciate more gameplay variety in terms of the types of approaches you can take

[lost inlet]

I need to take a shower, i feel like the girl in that Rao Li video on youtube…

[rocky plover]

wouldn't worry much about the deadzone part tbh, unless you really wanna min-max

[grizzled belfry]

Right now it's all about short to mid range combat

[tired moth]

the lower the deadzone the lower the response time meaning its easier to control recoil

[tired moth]

yea that would be amazing

[rocky plover]

not recoil, but how long the gun gets to where you're aiming - kinda

[grizzled belfry]

I think it would be somewhat beneficial to allow modes like multiplayer to include one player as like

A sniper

[rocky plover]

similar to drag but a bit different

[grizzled belfry]

Let them take an M14 variant with a scope (probably needs more scopes) and then just snipe out enemies in the FOV

Obviously this isn't possible for every map

[slow jungle]

Regardless it's sucky that it's a stat that attachments effect but is never mentioned in game. I don't find hidden stats to be interesting, especially when the game already barely gives you any info on the attachments

The guns are already insanely samey, making the attachments blend together doesn't help

[grizzled belfry]

But could be really fun on certain maps like Hide and Seek and maybe Leviathan

(Helicopter sniper)

[tired moth]

technically you can just use a battle rifle like the rtw and put a sniper scope but i get what you mean

[rocky plover]

ye agree with you

[gritty coyote]

There's already multiplayer. Load into 3 letter triad. You move to different locations. Then start hunting each other. PvEvP

[grizzled belfry]

Tbh the main issue is that the game doesn't really include good positions for that kinda thing

There are some but it's much less viable for gameplay

[tired moth]

yea a prime example is post office

[grizzled belfry]

I think the concept should be integrated into the game further

Since rn it's just a half-assed thing you can maybe do on some maps

[slow jungle]

I remember I joined a public lobby a fat minute ago, before the game was 1.0, and I got kicked cause I shot a tweaker in the chest with a shotgun when they had a knife and they were being super RP about the game

[tired moth]

this game has so much potential

[rocky plover]

the tower on pork hokan, but by the time you get there, the mission is almost over, at least for exterior side lol

[grizzled belfry]

I think it would also be nice to include a bit more weapon variety

[gritty coyote]

This game happens mostly indoors. Sniper only works on some maps

[tired moth]

hokan was a struggle my first play through but

[slow jungle]

Even then the way the game does LPVOs isn't great, there's no real advantage to them. Even in longer ranged maps I'd rather just take pot shots with a Red Dot than use anything with magnification

[grizzled belfry]

I've addressed this

Not every map has potential for this

But it would be fun on some maps

[rocky plover]

yea 1x magnification is enough tbh

[grizzled belfry]

Obviously a squad wipe can't really happen in this case but a sniper doesn't have to count.

[tired moth]

theres really no way to use the sniper scopes they added since most maps or closer proximity

[grizzled belfry]

A little bit of effort could expand the gameplay considerably.

[grizzled belfry]

That's kinda what I mean

I mean it's somewhat possible on a scant few maps

For a bit

I did it on VotD a while back.

[gritty coyote]

Only port hokan, sky bridge in relapse, that one balcony in 3 letter triad, are where I prefer a 3x scope

[slow jungle]

Tbh even the LPVOs on 1x feel bad to use, SLO/XE sight all the way

[grizzled belfry]

But it just got so boring

[rocky plover]

ye bec it blocks more of your vision, i hate the xe sight ngl though

[tired moth]

yea but i feel like they shouldnt add something unless it can be used versatilely

[rocky plover]

510c, sro, exps3 for me

[grizzled belfry]

It was really clear that VOID hadn't really put any effort into making the scopes viable.

[grizzled belfry]

I disagree

If it makes the gameplay more fun for people on some maps that is a win.

[slow jungle]

I just wish it had the lil laser like it does irl

[gritty coyote]

Hide and seek to this day has not been replicated. It's like a Stalker or Tarkov map rather than RON

[tired moth]

i get that certain situations bid certain loadouts but the game is kinda based around that

[rocky plover]

true that would have been nice ig

[tired moth]

i see what you mean

[grizzled belfry]

It wouldn't really subtract from the game to put in some minor effort to make things a bit more fun.

[slow jungle]

Would been cool, and not that busted either since it sits so far above bore

[rocky plover]

ye, i just don't really like co-witness sights that much thats why i dont rly like it

[grizzled belfry]

I think RoN suffers from a lack of gameplay diversity tbh

[tired moth]

they need to fix commander mode those ais on your team are weak minded

[slow jungle]

Yea tbh that's something I feel the game struggles with a bit, trying to get a balanced between the hardcore milsim types and the more casual fanbase

[gritty coyote]

Team AI is broken rn. They bomb their own feet

[grizzled belfry]

I think the inclusion of minor changes like a sniper component would be beneficial though

Because it doesn't really hurt the casual fanbase

And I suspect a lot of the more RP focused sides of the community would enjoy it

[slow jungle]

Not if you're a fan of 5.56, they've got like 6 AR Clones

[grizzled belfry]

😭

In all seriousness I feel like they've kinda been ignoring this issue

[tired moth]

itll say 15 years in the force then get shook up when i leave them at the start of the mission and clear it by myself they go from contempt to anxious or stressed its annoying you lose an officer every 2 games because they are in their feelings it defeats the whole purpose of being a veteran

[grizzled belfry]

I do like the new DLC

But more story isn't really what's needed atm

[gritty coyote]

I'll say it this game isn't a milsim

It's a hardcore puzzle game

[grizzled belfry]

What's needed is more gameplay variety imo

[slow jungle]

Tbh it would be cool, to have something like that, they'd have to figure out how to implement that tho since like none of the maps as they are would function well enough

[gritty coyote]

Map awareness is 80% of clearing a map

[grizzled belfry]

I think they could sort of retrofit certain maps to work this way

Like Hide and Seek

When your team breaches the main building, there could be reinforcements that arrive

And you have to alert your team and dispatch as many as possible to avoid your guys being sandwiched between two groups of gunmen

[slow jungle]

Yea some maps for sure but I feel like alot of maps are to enclosed or small for that to work. I feel like a mision in one of those glass office buildings would be sick asf tho

[grizzled belfry]

And before that you're taking care of suspects in hard cover that your team are struggling to get through

[grizzled belfry]

Oh yeah I don't think this works for every map

[tired moth]

they should add a prison map where you have to break into a prison and they should have snipers like in a real prison and you select one person on your team to watch your back from far and shoot the enemy snipers or something i think that would be a fun and cool way to incorporate snipers

[grizzled belfry]

And like I say this is just a suggestion I made because I was bored and staring at the M14 which I never get to use

[grizzled belfry]

This could work as a sort of stealth mission

Multiplayer or commander mode

[tired moth]

yea i wouldnt mind playing that tbh

[gritty coyote]

That's gun diversity not gameplay diversity

They all just deliver bullets down range

[tired moth]

i would enjou both if they fixed commander mode ais

[grizzled belfry]

Either way, the insert team is moving through the prison

Maybe stealthily?

[gritty coyote]

A hipster AK or an M4 does the same job

[grizzled belfry]

Like it could be a stealth mission or have a stealth component

[tired moth]

yea

[slow jungle]

Ik yea I misread. Still, the gundiversity is pretty bland overall. It's just sorta picking what you like aesthetically cause even the actual size of a gun makes little difference outside of a few claustrophobic maps

[grizzled belfry]

Where part of your job is to shoot people who have seen/will see your team

And of course getting rid of the snipers on the watchtowers if we're going for the prison angle

[slow jungle]

Like they could honestly cut out 5 of the 7 or so 5.56 guns and no one would really care

[grizzled belfry]

Maybe a prison riot orchestrated by The Hand to free Qadamah?

[slow jungle]

Cause I'll be damned if someone tries to have the gaul to tell me that having botht he 416 and Mk18 are good and not bloat

[tired moth]

they should add a hitman varient where you can put them in like a bin or something since we can already pick them up and if they spot a dead body raise they alarm and either restart oor have a mass shootout

[rocky plover]

I think there's 9 total lol

[grizzled belfry]

They take over the prison and arm themselves and you stealth through the mission to extract Qadamah

[gritty coyote]

Single doors exist on any map. Even in just the training facility you see the issue in peeking through a single door at the doorstep. This is why I have taken to using a pistol to clear dead angles from the doorstep

[grizzled belfry]

Idk why I decided to add lore to this

[slow jungle]

8 total, of those 8 only 3 aren't an M4 clone

[grizzled belfry]

This suggestion is somewhat silly

[tired moth]

they need to let us get in the sandbox and make a map we would genuinely improve this game so much

[grizzled belfry]

But I think it would be fun

[sudden thorn]

They should keep doing missions with the hand where they try to rescue Quadamah to the point where it gets comedic with how they keep failing

[tired moth]

a little goes a long way

[sudden thorn]

I also don’t get why they had bombs set up in relapse despite not extracting quadamah yet

[grizzled belfry]

The real question is how you would S rank it.

[rocky plover]

9 with the supporter m4

[grizzled belfry]

They may have just been plotting to blow the hospital to smithereens after extracting Qadamah to send a message

[rocky plover]

MK1 bcm

[tired moth]

i think they should change the s rank requirements for it since it would be nearly impossible to keep everyone alive

the conditions just for that mission

[grizzled belfry]

As funny as that would be I think some plot points have to tie themselves off.

[slow jungle]

I remember when the game was pre 1.0 and it was actually annoying how few non-5.56 options you had. Cause even for Shotguns the only Semi Auto one was Supporter Locked for a long time

[sudden thorn]

I’m assuming that they probably were right about to extract him but since d platoon infiltrated the building they had to hold that off momentarily but obviously as we know the failed and quadamah was arrested again

Or killed
We don’t know if it’s canon or not if he survived relapse

[gritty coyote]

Because that's how it worked out in real life

They tried replacing the m4 multiple times. In the end all the soldiers ever needed was a better m4. Same familiarity and ergonomics. Even the hk416 is named because they get sued for calling it m4

[sudden thorn]

I’d assume that all main objectives in the game are canon though so id assume arresting quadamah again is the canonical outcome

[grizzled belfry]

Ah crap my message got censored

The ending to the life of Qadamah could just be that he shoots himself the moment D platoon approach his room in the prison as at that point he knows that he is never going to be free.

[slow jungle]

I get that the M4 IRL is a great gun but I can only handle so many of the exact same gun in a game. It's obnoxious and adds nothing for anyone. Like what does the SR-16 have over the MK18? They're identical outside of the furniture

[gritty coyote]

For a Los Angeles SWAT officer, the AR platform, and now SIG MCX, would be the most natural

[sudden thorn]

True

I think a prison riot level would be cool though I would love that

[grizzled belfry]

And if D platoon succeed in maintaining stealth up until that point, the sound of Qadamah shooting himself alerts The Hand

[tired moth]

i hope they pay attention to this chat cause we all have given great ideas to improve this game

[grizzled belfry]

Forcing D platoon to shoot their way out of the prison through sections of increasingly brutal resistance.

[rocky plover]

Ones very good and the other is kinda trash (in-game)

[grizzled belfry]

Idk I might just be describing an entirely different game atp

[slow jungle]

Yes but this isn't LA it's Los Suenos. Where Swat shows up with a P90, 5.7, and jogging shorts on

[sudden thorn]

I really hope they make stealth more of a viable option as killing a suspect just alerts everyone nearby, shouting alerts everyone and your swat ai automatically do that

[grizzled belfry]

lmao

[sudden thorn]

stealth is a non option just there to be there for the sake of it

[slow jungle]

That's kinda what I'm saying tho, it's just content bloat and adds nothing, it doesn't fill a niche it's just a worse version

[grizzled belfry]

I mean the extra content for sniper stuff could be an optional expansion

Either a DLC or an entirely different mission set.

[tired moth]

yea i never liked how my character just shouts for no reason

[rocky plover]

Yeah agree, I guess another difference is one is long and one is short lmao

[grizzled belfry]

Ready Or Not: Scoped In

[gritty coyote]

Well what does a non-m4 rifle do differently in the game for me?

[tired moth]

or in commander mode my team is shouting at me to move when i said clear with leader

[gritty coyote]

You want difference but what's the difference

[grizzled belfry]

Tbh I think they need to add more weapon variety

[sudden thorn]

Trying to open a door or pick a lock quietly and you accidentally fat finger x or a early and judge shouts PUT YOUR FUCKING HANDS UP

[grizzled belfry]

VOID is kind of being weird about it

[slow jungle]

At the very least it's an aesthetic change, ignoring whatever stat differences it might have

[grizzled belfry]

Like there's enough weapon variety for people to be like "we are silly enough that there is more you could add"

[tired moth]

it happens all the time when i try to open doors

[grizzled belfry]

But at the same time not quite enough to make that viewpoint held by the overwhelming majority

VOID kind of have to make a decision on weapon variety

It's either gonna be a lot of weapon variety, or a bit

[gritty coyote]

Ok so it's about the external appearance. That also answers your question about why SR16 is here. Because it looks a bit different from mk18

[grizzled belfry]

A bit would mean cutting down on what we have

[slow jungle]

Tbh I feel like they should just start adding weapons that actual Anti-Terror/SWAT units use. it's not like it'd break the immersion, we're already using insanely expensive imported guns like the P90, 5.7, or MP7

[grizzled belfry]

And a lot would mean some silly stuff.

[tired moth]

they need to rework smgs they should be better for close combat by i find that id rather use an ar because they werent made that well

[grizzled belfry]

They don't have to add like

[grizzled belfry]

A bazooka or a 50 BMG

But like

Some more weapon variety would definitely make the gameplay a bit more fun

In general Ready Or Not needs more variety

[gritty coyote]

In reality the game is just going for LARP points

People own these guns irl
They play with it in the same game

[slow jungle]

Right but what about the other 7 M4 clones? Minor differences in furniture isn't a great reason to add a whole ass new gun, especially in an already bloated category

[grizzled belfry]

It starts to feel like the same mission after a while

[tired moth]

interesting way to put it but i totally agree

[gritty coyote]

They look different. All there is to it

[grizzled belfry]

It doesn't take long to feel like you've played in just about every way you possibly can

[grizzled belfry]

I think VOID need to come to terms with the fact that this isn't really a small game anymore

They're not just catering to the niche of people who genuinely own these guns

They're catering to a wider community that's much more diverse than they think it is.

[tired moth]

especially when you have actual army or ex spec playing the game

[grizzled belfry]

And consequently that wider community wants more guns than the average American owns.

No offense to that part of the community

It's not their fault that they're the group being catered to

They're just no longer the game's only audience.

[slow jungle]

Yea I get that, not a great reason imo. Atleast weapons like the G36 are cool and unique designs, same with that F90

[cobalt mortar]

bring ai to multiplayer so my buddy and i can have fun without randoms trolling lol

[vale plume]

AR is the fucking best

[tired moth]

i want more military grade weapons i dont want a g18 which i can find under my bed in a shoe box or a closet

[grizzled belfry]

I think there is a line though

I think they should include maybe 1 or 2 LMGs and that's about it

[slow jungle]

Gunlarpers really pmo if these games, atleast when the devs try to please them. Like it's the same shit in Tarkov, they know their fanbase are all into that whole Guntuber spectrum so they add shit like the AK50 instead of guns they said they were gonna add years ago

[tired moth]

ik but for close range a smg should be better than an ar

[grizzled belfry]

I think the danger is in crossing the line to just being a thinly veiled milsim

[vale plume]

I don’t care if they’re a little bit stupid

[stoic thistle]

Yeah, the game is about being a cop.

[grizzled belfry]

Like

Maybe 1 LMG

[tired moth]

yea that wouldnt be a bad idea but if they do they have to limit ammo i shouldnt be able to bring 8 mags for my lmg and spray everything thats not very realistic

[grizzled belfry]

The M249

[slow jungle]

FN MINIMI when?

[grizzled belfry]

Yeah

[vale plume]

I know it’s a cop game but it feels like being like elite millitary or either FBI

[grizzled belfry]

I think there has to be a balance between introducing proper weapon variety

And just giving Judge and co access to the arsenal of the US military

[tired moth]

yea i dont feel like a cop but more navy seal or ranger

[grizzled belfry]

Like there needs to be more weapon variety

[stoic thistle]

I think some low-stakes missions would be good.

[grizzled belfry]

But again the danger is in becoming just another milsim

[vale plume]

I did say that

[feral yacht]

that's the impression after dark water dlc

[vale plume]

😆👍

[feral yacht]

now it's a goverment conspiracy shit

[grizzled belfry]

I think the issue is that they're releasing them in small bites

[stoic thistle]

Like a group of extremists fortifying a suburban house, a robbery gone wrong, an illegal gambling den, stuff like that.

[slow jungle]

It feels like if the Rainbow Six team were made up of shortbus kids instead of actual elite soldiers

[grizzled belfry]

So they have to be punchy because otherwise it feels like a nothingburger

[vale plume]

The human traffic , neon , oil rig are actually Millitary ops not cops

[grizzled belfry]

I think they need to make a big new mission set

[rocky plover]

Funnily enough I was suggesting different calibres for pistols such as .357, .380, .22, .40 etc.... and we got 2 more 9mm instead 😂😂😂

[tired moth]

they should add levels where you can decide if you want the military approach or an actual reg swat

[grizzled belfry]

So that it's not just shooting a place to pieces

Because while small mission sets are causing the issue

That doesn't mean it's unsolvable

We clearly need larger scale mission sets.

Smaller mission sets should be relegated to more niche and specialised concepts

[feral yacht]

question is, what will be the story after the boiling point dlc?

[vale plume]

I feel the way it should be is try to be FBI especially in cuff ops but Millitary in kill dead

[grizzled belfry]

Like my Scoped In idea

[vale plume]

I guess more guns , more clothes

[tired moth]

they made the game about being a cop but centered it around military which doesnt make sense im for it but they should definately adjust

[stoic thistle]

Boiling point was quite the crescendo of the background plot.

[grizzled belfry]

Tbh I think they should tie the MLO plot point off.

[slow jungle]

Kinda fucked up that we have 9 M4s in the game but not a single M16

[vale plume]

Games would suck if they’re realistic

[gritty coyote]

Just let them cook

[feral yacht]

damn, finally getting balaclavas in single mode 🙏

[grizzled belfry]

Ready Or Not shouldn't become a game built entirely around an overarching plot whose original mission base (mostly) has nothing to do with it.

[vale plume]

Yeah fucking true

[grizzled belfry]

(like two missions)

[stoic thistle]

Write 10 parking tickets, stand on street corner, talk to a dumb teenager, go home.

[vale plume]

I hate having no balaclava

[grizzled belfry]

They should just end the MLO plot and make the game what it should be

[tired moth]

well this game is realistic enough and i love it but i get where your coming from

[gritty coyote]

Are you seriously asking for 20 inch barrels for SWAT in CQB

[grizzled belfry]

They've tried to shoehorn a larger plot into Ready Or Not

[rocky plover]

Or a car15 XD

[grizzled belfry]

And it's really ham fisted unfortunately which makes the game worse.

[slow jungle]

100%, Not like we don't have long barreled guns already

[tired moth]

yea thats annoying they should add it in head gear and not just character option in commander mode i want my team to all have skis

[gritty coyote]

You aren't fighting in Afghanistan. No distance is this game where the longer barrel offers anything

[rocky plover]

But then again same problem, similar to m4

[vale plume]

Hey I’m not saying it’s completely unrealistic it’s just abit unrealistic because of town cops’ are the terrorist ops and FBI ops

[grizzled belfry]

The MLO subplot is just not useful for the game as a whole

[slow jungle]

Yea but again it's not like we don't already have longer barreled guns in the game. And unlike the SR16 it'd actually be unique with it's fast burst fire

[tired moth]

yea i think they had an idea for the game and realized it was a hit so they centered it around a different angle

[vale plume]

👍

[tired moth]

burst would be interesting

[gritty coyote]

They did their research. SWAT switched to mk18 and m4 instead of using m16

[vale plume]

OK

[grizzled belfry]

To be honest I really think the MLO angle is just not useful for Ready Or Not

[vale plume]

MK18 has the front sight

[grizzled belfry]

You can't take a game with a small subplot mostly based around unconnected events and a specific gameplay concept

[slow jungle]

That's cool, don't remember when SWAT adopted the MP7 and P90 but sure, I guess we'll use what happens IRL for the game where I'm running into an active combat zone in Running Shoes and a T Shirt

[tired moth]

yea

[grizzled belfry]

And make that subplot the main plot

Or if you can

You can't do it in a way that is this ham-fisted

Boiling Point is basically just like

[vale plume]

you wanna John wick ?

[grizzled belfry]

A massive escalation from what RoN is supposed to be

[gritty coyote]

The Houston Police Department was the first U.S. local law enforcement agency to adopt the P90 for its SWAT team in 1999, becoming the first to use it in a lethal engagement in 2003.
By 2009, the P90 was in use with over 200 law enforcement agencies in the United States, including the U.S. Secret Service and the Federal Protective Service.

[slow jungle]

You very much could, isn't the gun he uses in the game? I know the 5.7 was Fischers main thing

[vale plume]

I know swats and Millitary nowadays have MCX

[gritty coyote]

The fact that this game has an AK is already pushing it a bit

[grizzled belfry]

That's kinda the problem

[tired moth]

fuck it give me a rail gun or a bomb drone ill clear any map in 5 mins

[feral yacht]

yeah, i hope we get more customization itens or even a mod support on console

[rocky plover]

The gun he started with h&k p30L isn't though

[grizzled belfry]

RoN has a lot of weapons which are kind of silly

And atp

[slow jungle]

Now show me the 5.7, MP7, a 1911 chambered in .50AE. and whatever the hell the Raider x P320 is

[grizzled belfry]

They can either refocus on being serious LARP

[rocky plover]

Not even his backup Glock 26

[stoic thistle]

M32 rotary grenade launcher.

[vale plume]

I see console doesn’t work on PC unless it doesn’t have mods

[grizzled belfry]

Which would probably involve getting rid of some of the sillier weapons

Or embrace the fact that RoN has some silly weapons and add more variety

Beyond the many many M4 clones

[tired moth]

i think its stupid they have a battering ram and a breach shotgun or 3 different guns that disable when you can add other things that would be more useful

[stoic thistle]

How would you guys feel about a mission editor/randomizer? Pick a map, pick bad guys, and pick a situation then play it.

[grizzled belfry]

I don't need 500 5.56 rifles with barely any discernible difference.

[rocky plover]

Watch them add a halligan bar next lol

[grizzled belfry]

This could work

Again i think the concept of smaller specialised DLCs

[feral yacht]

yeah, the game still fun without mods but it's another thing entirely when you play with them

[grizzled belfry]

Like the Scoped In idea

[tired moth]

i wouldnt be surprised

[feral yacht]

Void should hire some of those mod creator content to work in the base game

[slow jungle]

They have 4 ways of breaching that I can think of. Lockpick, Shotgun, C2, and Battering Ram. Of those only 1 is actually somewhat quiet which makes the other 3 kinda blend

[grizzled belfry]

Twinned with larger DLCs

[grizzled belfry]

I think these should be larger self-contained stories

[tired moth]

o and you can kick a door one of many loud ways to make an entrance

[slow jungle]

Wasn't that a thing for awhile? I very distinctly remember this game offering all of the maps with various situations from Hostage Rescue to Bombs, etc.

[rocky plover]

And the old fashioned kick lol

[slow jungle]

Does that work on locked doors?

[rocky plover]

Yes

[tired moth]

yea

[vagrant marsh]

Except c2 stuns enemies or knocks them

[stoic thistle]

Yeah, I remember seeing something in a YouTube video about it.

[vale plume]

Kicking doors doesn’t work in real life

[tired moth]

its like you said with the 50 ars basically the same with the breaching or disabling they are taking up spaces that can be used for something else

[rocky plover]

Yea some maps had up to 5 different modes

[slow jungle]

Yea I use C2 if I'm goin loud but even then you don't really need to carry that much unless you're C2ing every other room

[gritty coyote]

Kicking doors is asking to be shot

[tired moth]

well they added it caus ewhy not

[vagrant marsh]

Esp bc one slot of C2 gives you 2 charges

[slow jungle]

Not with your chicken legs maybe, my Calves of Steel would knock down any door in a single hit guaranteed

[vale plume]

Using too much explosives blows

[grizzled belfry]

Like the final downfall of that one cartel

[vale plume]

Good for you but still kicking doors blows

[tired moth]

c2 is annoying caus ewhen tryna s rank you can kill sb

[grizzled belfry]

Los Locos

[slow jungle]

Yea if you wanna switch up go for it, not saying the other options suck. Personally I don't think I'd ever use the battering ram tho, knowing my luck I'd get blasted away after the first swing

They already shoot me through doors when I try to kick em down, can't imagine standing there with a ram

[vale plume]

Shotgun is better

[stoic thistle]

The UPF and Left Behind have been cooked, the Hand still has surviving fighters.

[rocky plover]

Agree

[gritty coyote]

I like the hand but we should move on to different villains

[tired moth]

the breach shotgun is genuinely the only breaching method we need unless they plan on adding steel doors which then c2 would be useful

[slow jungle]

Tbh I don't really bother with S Rank, only missions I wanna S Rank are Valley of the Dolls for the hawaiian shirt and Rust Belt for the Rosary

[tired moth]

its more of a side thing you stand to the side and hit it while your teamate is aiming

[tired moth]

fair enough

[vale plume]

Amos doesn’t have S rank no more

[slow jungle]

I'd like the Breach shotgun if it actually opened the door. Outside of the cool vibe of it I feel like I'd much rather lockpick and open or just C2

[tired moth]

they do need to fix that it mostly breaks it but doesnt actually move it

you have to push after which is even worse you cant open it

[slow jungle]

Tbf it doesn't really open the door irl either, most of the time it blows it ajar but you still need to like kick it open

[tired moth]

yea but for whatever reason they decided lets make them run into the door and put it exposing themselves

push*

[rocky plover]

You can still use the prompt to open it instead of pushing it

[tired moth]

ive never seen it

[rocky plover]

Depends where you shoot the door

[slow jungle]

Prolly just a finnicky icon, similar to a peaked door with the wire

[rocky plover]

Best way is either blow the handle portion of the door or hinges

Not in the middle of the door

That would just create an obstruction

Another reason why I prefer breach shotgun over battering ram

[vale plume]

I know

Why not add a shotgun kick combo ?

[tired moth]

earlier you were frying me when you said someone couldnt kick the door down cause of their chicken legs that was hilarious to say the absolute least 😭

[tired moth]

^

[slow jungle]

Would be cool if you could line stuff up like that, like how you can with bots

[slow jungle]

Can't kick down a door? Sounds like a personal problem to me

[vale plume]

Kicking door blows

[slow jungle]

I like doing it cause it's funny when it fails and my friend is there

Very embarrassing, especially when it's unlocked and we just open it normally

[obtuse sequoia]

Does the breaching shotgun do damage to suspects?

[slow jungle]

Btw how are SMGs? I remember during the open beta they were absolute ass but I'm lookin for a change up since I've been using the High Power and Shotty rounds for awhile

[slow jungle]

I'd have to imagine

It's blowing open doors, I'm sure it'll blow open someones chest cavity

[obtuse sequoia]

I use the MP7 with the PEQ and on fully automatic and it’s a demon

[vale plume]

I don’t know

[tired moth]

it was funny when you said that

[slow jungle]

What about the P90? Was thinkin that it's 50 round mag means I can carry less ammo and take an extra grenade or something

[obtuse sequoia]

You would think so but that’s the case with a lot of things in this game, you’d think they’d work the way they would in real life but they don’t

[tired moth]

dw they are still very much ass

nothing changed

[obtuse sequoia]

It’s good, not a lot of recoil but the MP7 is just so sexy but both are good

[vale plume]

Bursting really sucks

[obtuse sequoia]

Right

[tired moth]

yea its not very much tho

[slow jungle]

Damn, shoulda added the Navy MP5 with the three round burst

[tired moth]

youd be better off with a butter knife

[slow jungle]

Woulda been cool, we need more burst in the game tbh

[obtuse sequoia]

I bet it would kill someone if you were close, imma test it out tonight

[slow jungle]

M16, FAMAS, and MP5N would be cool

[vale plume]

I guess but mk18 shouldn’t have the front sight

[slow jungle]

Tbh I think they need to do a Rainbow Six type thing with the game, the weapons and gear should be more international

[slow jungle]

I don't use 5.56 guns so Idk what gun that is

[vale plume]

What guns do you like ?

[slow jungle]

GA51, semi auto shotguns, or the AK

[vale plume]

It’s also an m4

[slow jungle]

Haven't really used any 5.56 but if I did I'd prolly use the F90 cause it's drippy

[slow jungle]

Oh just like the other 8 Assault Rifles

[vale plume]

Even if you don’t like 556 you would know it

[slow jungle]

Know what?

[vale plume]

416 isn’t an M4

[slow jungle]

Only difference is the Gas System

And the fire rate but that's a result of the gas system

it's still built on an M4

[vale plume]

Not only that 416 is HK , MCX is sig

[slow jungle]

Brand means nothing, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck

The MCX is the only one that's different enough aesthetically imo, even then it's basically just a different upper and handguard

[vale plume]

Hate to break it to you not only guns have brands but they have quality

[slow jungle]

Show me in game where the factory defect debuff is?

[tired moth]

it wont and ok let us now the results

[vale plume]

HK is really expansive as fuck

[slow jungle]

Yea I know

[vale plume]

HK is Germany 🇩🇪

[slow jungle]

I am aware, still basically an M4 in form and function

[vale plume]

Not only that it has G36 piston

[slow jungle]

Yea but again inside of basically every game it's featured in, the only difference is the extra 50rpm

It's still basically an M4

[vale plume]

Nowaways Germany has 416 they’re gonna no longer have g36

[vale plume]

It isn’t because M4 is colt

[slow jungle]

Idk why you're just giving me 416 facts

[slow jungle]

That's not the point

[vale plume]

Hey you don’t know a lot about ARs

[slow jungle]

The brand makes little to no difference, they're both basically AR-15s

[vale plume]

They’re like AR15

[slow jungle]

An M4 is an M4 man idk what you want me to say, could be made my Norinco it's still an M4

It's the same gun in just about everything but branding

It's like Storebrand vs Namebrand, the product is basically identical

[hearty summit]

Can I get some opinions on the SLR47, the AK in the game...I have been playing with it and it seems to do very well up close yet really suffers at range if you need to land follow up shots on a armored suspect. I put the supressor on it and the Combat Grip, would the angled grip be better or should I cut my losses with the 7.62 and go back to a 5.56?

[hollow nova]

for my eyes it burns do the suspects have to have a gun on their hip

[marble flume]

7.62 JHP pens level 3 armor, its pretty solid

[slow jungle]

It's got higher kick but higher stopping powertoo, if you want something similar with better recoil try out the .300blk options

I personally like the ARN-180 cause it's got a wacky blocky upper and I can put the SFMB on it for running loud

[slow jungle]

Wym?

[hearty summit]

I agree, it is good against armor at close to mid range yet the recoil at longer distances really causes it to struggle. A example would be the first room on the second floor at the beginning of A New America. Sometimes, you open the door and the door to the right is opened where a suspect sometimes spawns in the room behind that door. He shoots at you from the window. He is hard to hit at that distance more than once, sometimes two shots is needed.

[hollow nova]

when they surrender and drop their guns they usually have pistols

[marble flume]

if you want long-range rock a shotgun

[slow jungle]

Yea they usually have a side pistol, they'll drop it when you handcuff them but it's worth noting that they'll sometimes fake out and pull the gun when you go to arrest

[slow jungle]

You just gotta get better with recoil management or try out other guns, the x39 has pretty solid recoil

I also will say that at range I struggle to two tap effectively with it, it's just sorta how that gun works

Better for close-mid engagements, for longer range with similar stopping power you'll want .300blk

[hearty summit]

I would opt for the gun that shoots the Creedmore 6.5 ammo as that one is easier to control yet the extended barrel length causes problems for tighter enviroments. I also prefer to have 30 rounds in a clip as opposed to 20...

But that is just me.

[slow jungle]

It's solid but it's big and no full auto for emergency. For full power I'd recommend either the GA51 or the SA58

[slow jungle]

Yea only 20 sucks but if you have decent control you're only gonna need about 2 shots centermass

Tbh been thinking about redoing my kit cause atm I carry 4 primary but I tend to never go through that much, even on the more aggressive missions like Neon I tend to only use two mags max

[tired moth]

i love the rtw its amazing the 6.5 is Lethal

[lost inlet]

Very mid, void nerfed it for no reason at all.

Use .300blk, they both have the same damage and armor pen table.

[hearty summit]

Okay, which rifle that fires .300blk would you recommend?

[lost inlet]

ARN-180. The best out of 3.

[slow jungle]

They're all pretty good, I like the 180 cause of the cool upper

The little PDW is cool too

[hearty summit]

I'll play with that one.

[slow jungle]

They all handle pretty much the same imo so just pick the one you think looks best

[hearty summit]

I don't care much for the Lvar.

But I have not tried the ARN-180 yet.

[lost inlet]

LVAR’s internally suppressed shot doesn’t reduces stress by half btw.

It’s purely for cosmetic only.

[slow jungle]

I like the way it looks and that I can run it loud, the PDW is also pretty cool

There was a PDW similar to that in I think BF4 that I liked

[hearty summit]

Lol, if the point of the rifle is that it is suppress yet that doesn't change anything then what is the point? I really don't like the lvar now.

I'm deleting it from one of my loadouts.

[lost inlet]

Void forgot to coded it. It’s the worst out of three cause you cannot change the fake ass internal suppressor. So you’re stuck with vertical grip and specter sight as the only attachments that reduces vertical recoil.

DDM4PDW at least has working suppressor and relatively short, based on the view model at least.

But doesn’t have muzzle brakes option. That leave ARN-180 having both working suppressor and muzzle brakes.

It also has specter sight for more vertical recoil as well. Giving you massive 60% reduction.

[hollow nova]

when i shoot the gas in the basement for my eyes it burns why do the suspects not get up?

[vale plume]

How fucked up it is that have to cuff an HVT

[tired moth]

ive been joining random lobbies and killing civs with the rtw ts is fun ash

i walk around like im playing valorant or csgo no ads just hip fire laser

they dont even kick me they join in xD😭

[slow jungle]

Raw vibes of an internal supressor

[slow jungle]

Why do you keep mentioning your eyes burning?

[hollow nova]

trying to do it

[slow jungle]

?

[hearty summit]

Its a achievement.

[lost inlet]

There’s a achievement called “My eyes, it burns.”…

[slow jungle]

Ahh ok

Well looking at the achievement it says to incapacitate 3 suspects in 5 seconds, so if they're like properly incapacitated it means they won't get up

They'll need EMS

[gritty horizon]

is there a way to host select maps on another players session?

[lost inlet]

Ye.

[slow jungle]

If they're incapacitated they won't get up, incapacitated means shot and wounded but not dead

Idk how the game logs it internally but there's arrested, where they surrender, dead, where they've been killed, and incapacitated, where they've been wounded and are in need of EMS but aren't dead

The only way to really tell the difference between Dead and Incapacitated is when you go to report it, maybe audio queues if they're groaning, outside of that they count the same point wise

[lost inlet]

If there’s a pool of blood then they’re dead, if there isn’t but has knockout icon then they’re incap. If there’s a skull icon but no pool of blood then they’re faking death.

[slow jungle]

Yea but if you're playing with Bots they tend to report those guys as soon as they're downed, so you can't really see any icon

Cause they can report that stuff from like 20+ft away

[lost inlet]

Doesn’t matters anyway cause it’s incap 99% of the time and they’d auto cuff the body.

[karmic pier]

is s ranking every mission including dlc impressive enough to post on tt or do i gotta s rank every mission on hard mode🤔

[lost inlet]

tt?

[karmic pier]

tiktok

[lost inlet]

Ew.

[karmic pier]

so is it not impressive enough

[lost inlet]

Any S rank is fine.

[karmic pier]

whats wrong with tiktok?

[lost inlet]

The usual brainrot, clout chasing anndddd bullshitting.

[karmic pier]

sooo what app do you use

[slow jungle]

Dude just described literally every social media ever

Like I'm not a fan of TikTok either but it's no different than Instagram, Facebook, etc.

[karmic pier]

exactly

[chilly thorn]

they are all gooodie

[lost inlet]

I guess bro.

[obtuse sequoia]

Idk Facebook is way funnier

[dim leaf]

dm4pdw has gotta be the best general gun in the game

[woeful dove]

that the 300?

[dim leaf]

yeah

[primal girder]

@bleak seal

Guess what

Chicken butt

[hearty summit]

Next question, Ceramic or Steel plates?

[tidal sleet]

Ceramic, with steel you’ll get spalling

and ceramic isn’t as heavy

[naive marsh]

Facebook

[valid vapor]

does anyone know what the different attachments do?

theres no gun stats or anything so idk what anything does

[gritty coyote]

god darn
finished 3 letter triad on hard
that was so challenging

[fleet canyon]

MOTHERTRUCKING DARK ROOMS

[gritty coyote]

• The Docks entrance was the best entrance.
• Finishing the top floor makes it possible to take potshots at the main room with 2 levels
• The main lobby has cursed sightlines.
• My scope sees through foliage. Not sure if bug or feature.
• I swear these mofos have 6th sense. They always bumrush when I use mirror gun.

[fleet canyon]

At least when you arrest them they don't jump you and you're defenseless

[gritty coyote]

That actually happened once at the end of a run. The suspect unleashed full mag on me while I was arresting someone. I took no damage.

[lost inlet]

steel.

[lost inlet]

which attachment are you curious about?

[floral peak]

Wait till you see them on A New America, they became even more cracked

[gritty coyote]

ANA was easier than 3LT

[lost inlet]

there's a google doc in the pin that listed full detail on everything.

[gritty coyote]

3LT has crazy sight lines

just can't see anything with the stupid foliage and random holes

[floral peak]

Ana have lots of them too

[gritty coyote]

nah, ANA has a pretty clear route for me. Rooms in 3LT aren't rooms but giant death traps

[floral peak]

Literally start of floor 22 is living hell of ana

[gritty coyote]

floor 2 is easiest floor

the main room in 3LT for instance has 7 different entrances

[floral peak]

With pixel perfect instakills

[dense sandal]

Is there any way to get my dlcs to carry over to pc from xbox?

[floral peak]

If I would judge Hard 3LT and Hard ANA, heck even standard, Ana is more difficult

[valid vapor]

mainly grips and muzzles

[hearty summit]

supposedly, Ceramic blocks 100% of damage until they break then over block 40% of damage. Steel blocks 85% of damage across the board and do not break?

but steel spalls.

[floral peak]

It does nothing to you

And when ceramic breaks it doesn’t block after

[hearty summit]

Doesn't it increase bleed chance if bullets spalls?

[floral peak]

As far as I know no

[valid vapor]

doesnt the spalling just mess up ur limbs more or smth

[floral peak]

In game it does nothing

[lost inlet]

you want more bleed cause it heals you back to 50% threshold if you fall below it.

[hearty summit]

I saw in a video that if you wear steel then it increase bleed chance and you can't heal past 50%.

[hearty summit]

The part about that I am struggling with is why wouldn't ceramic allow you to heal back up to 50% if your plates break?

[last dawn]

because no bleed

[hearty summit]

I've bled after getting shot while wearing ceramic?

[last dawn]

you can bleed, but not as often as steel and you have a more likelyhood of getting 2 tapped

i mean you can always get 2 tapped just depends

[lost inlet]

it does but 40% doesn't let you tanks as much as shots as 86.5%.

more shot tank means more chance to get bleed.

[valid vapor]

is there any way of knowing what ur gun does statistically

[fleet canyon]

Where's the bomb on relapse

[lost inlet]

vertical gives 10% less vertical recoil (shocking), combat gives 80% less horizontal and -10% ADS time, angle gives 20% less horizontal and extra -35% ADS time.

[hearty summit]

There are two, typically one on each side of the hospital.

[fleet canyon]

Ok

[valid vapor]

what about muzzle devices?

[lost inlet]

SFMB, ASR and suppressor gives -40%, -30% and -10% vertical reduction, respectively. Suppressor reduces stress gains by half, useful on map with high stress needed to triggers the suspect and useless on maps where suspect started out stressed already.

[fleet canyon]

I kept walking past 1

[lost inlet]

accuracy buff is a lie, every guns has perfect accuracy and hitscan bullets.

[valid vapor]

thanks 🫡

[fleet canyon]

Make that 2 bombs I walked past

Guys I'm on the final main level

[valid vapor]

is it safe to assume high recoil rifles do more damage

[lost inlet]

no, damage entirely based on the caliber of the gun.

[valid vapor]

oh

[lost inlet]

reason why 416 is the worst 5.56.

huge recoil with the mediocre damage and armor pen.

[valid vapor]

makes sense

thanks

[fleet canyon]

I JUST GOT SNIPED

[floral peak]

First time?

[fleet canyon]

Yeah

[storm belfry]

HK416 SLANDER IN MY HOUSE!? well you're right but

[wide verge]

Hot take:
Hide and Seek should have additional objectives like capture HVT

[fleet canyon]

What's hvt

[wide verge]

High value target

[fleet canyon]

Oo yeah

[clear oyster]

mediocre armor pen? AP rounds for all calibers pen all armor in this game

[lost inlet]

AP 9mm pen lvl4 armor plates…?

[clear oyster]

fuck i meant all AP rifle rounds

lmao

the only thing that sucks on the 416 is the semi auto recoil animation, beyond that it's a good gun

[fleet canyon]

Bro the amount of times I turn the corner and some civilian runs up to me and I shoot them in the fucking head and kill them is insane

[clear oyster]

what VOID needs to do is fix the ARWC injured arm recoil bug, it's been reported numerous times and yet we have no fix on it

what's crazy is modders have literally fixed the issue in 20 minutes

[fleet canyon]

What's the bug?

[clear oyster]

when you get shot in the arms, guns have more recoil due to injury, however the ARWC becomes borderline uncontrollable when this happens compared to other ARs

it's been a bug since Dark Waters I think if not longer

[fleet canyon]

Is that why it seems jumpy

[clear oyster]

if your getting shot in the arms then yes, if you stop a bleed the debuff goes away until you get shot in the arms again

it's sort of a niche issue but it's annoying since so many people have brought it up yet it hasn't been fixed

[fleet canyon]

I feel like battle rifles on Auto have less recoil than the arwc when that happens

[clear oyster]

funny enough the G3A3 and the GA51 have no injured arm recoil since the values that determine them are 0.0

[wide verge]

Full auto? Skill issue

[clear oyster]

but i do think the 416 should get a different firing animation, full auto is really simple to control because of how the animation loops between shots

[gilded kindle]

mirage at sea, one civilian left I think, searched entire map, squad stays still in "restrain" order

[rocky plover]

There are a lot of rooms that lead to other rooms such as bathrooms, check every one of them, if the civilian hasn't come out running after you brought order to chaos or the AI can't find the civilian, the civilian might be in a locked room somewhere.

[gilded kindle]

hmmmm

[rocky plover]

Also they like to hide under stuff sometimes such as tables, beds etc...

[gilded kindle]

yeah no I think it's bugged

[sand abyss]

are they going to fix how the AI toss flashbangs yet?

[mystic palm]

I hope soon

[rocky plover]

No idea, they said AI is supposed to be better now but many been saying it's actually worse

They always flash their feet

[sand abyss]

yeah them not making sure that it actually goes into the room is bugging me so much

[rocky plover]

I just removed grenades from their loadouts for now lmao, and put more towards wedges and c2, only thing they're usable with lol

And for clearing I've been using clear with launcher (m32a1 flash primary), the only one that seems to 'work'

[real blaze]

20? More like one minute lol. It's literally one typo on a recol value on the blueprint. Ridiculously easy fix

[tacit gull]

meanwhile the battle rifles have the value set to 0

[rocky plover]

Just the g3a3 and ga51 not all though

[tacit gull]

of course because then it would be consistent

we dont do that at void

[rocky plover]

It's also funny how the worst performing rifles have the best drag

Balance? Coincidence? Who knows

[clear oyster]

why do the SMGs have higher arm recoil compared to ARs? what value or values are determining that?

the MP5SD is unusable once you get hit in the arms

[rocky plover]

The ump45 is actually much worse

On par with arwc worse

But yeah all smgs suffer more than rifles from angle recoil

[clear oyster]

that I know, I think the current version of Gunfighter fixed the ARWC and UMP .45

[versed lagoon]

how do i get the hawaii shirt?

[clear oyster]

and this I also know, im trying to figure out what values are making them worse than ARs? I might make a mod which reworks them

[rocky plover]

Ye probably

[errant kraken]

Hey everyone im kinda new to this game i took a break from the game like a week after launch now im trying to s their every mission is there anything i should know

I also play in a milsim way

[rocky plover]

Probably from the horizontal recoil maybe combined with vertical since rifles don't have horizontal, only vertical

[rocky plover]

S rank valley of the dolls

[clear oyster]

gotta figure out the values for horizontal recoil then

[distant rose]

use the M32A1 or beanbag

make sure all your AI also have them. and make sure they have the TPL pistol or they might ruin the run by putting a 9mm in someone

[reef path]

So I don't really understand suspect AI well. I am playing commander casual and I managed to somehow S rank 3 maps continuously (from Ideas of March to End of the Earth) where suspects immediately surrender the moment they see me, but in some maps they hesitate more or start blasting.

[dapper pebble]

Is there any way to get the supporter edition weapons in modern day RoN, more specifically the HRT Rescue Shield or is that no longer available?

[tacit gull]

no

[dapper pebble]

Tbh its just so I can have a blank shield for FISA loadouts since it looks silly to say both Police and FISA on the same character

[glass heart]

starting suspect stress varies from map to map thats why

in some maps they start near the active state which means they are more combative

this stress is raised by pretty much everything swat does

[rocky plover]

You probably have negotiators and intimidators as officer traits

And you said casual so they are way more lenient

[twin niche]

when is the next sale for the dlcs? just curious

[rocky plover]

Summer sale maybe

[twin niche]

thats next month?

[rocky plover]

Yea end of

[reef spade]

I think 9-bang grenades are complete garbage

[reef spade]

Their use often failed me even in a small space; the second enemy next to the stunned one might simply not react to the explosion

[reef path]

Yeah, but in maps like Valley of the Dolls, suspects immediately start firing after like 2min past entry (I think my AI dudes also yell at people outside for compliance through the windows, so suspects get alerted?)

[worthy zodiac]

a russian dumbasss whos fully invinsible cuz behind something sprays randomly and hits me twice as im crouching with shield

when will this game have any realistic physics once bro

or ai just runs randomly from 100 meters and i get hit in my legs 3 times with shield on

hard difficulty isnt hard its just bullshit improvised with unfairness and called "hard"

💔

[vagrant marsh]

Dif missions have different morales and stuff like iirc

[grim python]

is the LVAR suppressor still bugged?

[mortal helm]

Wheres the killhouse ?
like where the test prisoner is ?
Didnt find it anymore

thx in advance

[vagrant marsh]

Its gone

[mortal helm]

really ?

[vagrant marsh]

The test range and practice door breach is still there

[mortal helm]

why did they remove ?

[vagrant marsh]

But test prisoner is gone

[mortal helm]

thats sad thx

[vagrant marsh]

Np

[rocky plover]

Because intimidator only works in the first couple seconds when suspects are not alerted, then it's pretty much useless because every action done during the mission alerts the suspects, so I would keep negotiator for surrender chance on yelling but remove intimidator and get pacifier instead

[gaunt nebula]

Gas grenades still do jack shit I see

[rocky plover]

Ye even mp5sd6 (if you mean for stress mechanics as integrated suppressors still function as loud for stress)

[grim python]

darn 🫰

[grim python]

they work better as smoke grenades lol

[rocky plover]

true saved me on a new America for hard S lol

[glass heart]

all integrally suppressed guns r still broken xd

[glass heart]

thats so silly 😭

they have to be in the same room as the fuckers though (i think)

ive seen a guy on reddit walk up and headshot 4 mlo guys becaused he popped a gas grenade first

he just leisurely walked up and shot them all

[rocky plover]

Yea I used it to make a run for it on 22nd floor so I can get to cover

To the ammo box because I was without ammo

[glass heart]

imma be real bro

ron feels more like cod leaning edition than swat 4

especially with all the ridiculous shit like ana 😭

[rocky plover]

Yea it fucks with their reaction and vision