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[split scroll]

alr thx for the help

[rocky plover]

👍

[split scroll]

Actually another question what was the setup for ur nonlethal run?
I think im being too conservative w my flashes and just saving them for 4th floor
(I had 4 total)

[rocky plover]

12 slots flash ammo
1 slot taser
Light front only steel
M320 flash

Mirrorgun for AI
Wedges and c2 for AI
Etc... for standard... For hard I did it duo not with AI with slightly different build

[unkempt granite]

any tips for programmed psychosis?

[split scroll]

oops i think i meant lethal my bad g😭

[rocky plover]

Oh no worries

[rocky plover]

4 slots buckshot ammo
1 slot .50 AE JHP
6 9 bangs
1 wedge
1 c2
Light armor front only steel
Mirrorgun

Might have been 5 slots buckshot and 5 9 bangs instead I forgot exactly but something like that

[split scroll]

I think 3 wedges but be overkill lmao

[rocky plover]

Don't forget wedges and c2 come in pairs

So 1 slot = 2

[split scroll]

yeah i think 6 wedges but be a bit too much, might get more flashes instead

also how come ur flashes are all 9 bangs?

[rocky plover]

You could get the extra wedges if ya want, personally I barely used the 9 bangs except for the courtroom and some on 22nd floor

[rocky plover]

I just like them since they got the best morale damage and stun duration

But normal flashes or stingers would work as well

[split scroll]

oh alr
with the shotgun, is it better to aim limbs or js head?

[lost inlet]

around the neck area as you can hit both the arms and head.

[rocky plover]

Centre mass is the easiest, usually the spread hits limbs automatically

[dense coral]

was just playing relapse for the first time and i almost cleared it but some asshole was right around the corner of a room and blasted me point blank lol

[lost inlet]

or legs too, as long you don't aim at the torso.

[rocky plover]

Only need 5 pellets from 8 to hit limbs and it's a kill with 1 shot

[split scroll]

yea i try to aim for the limbs but my aim sucks ass and hits their torso so they just run back to cover

[lost inlet]

.50 AE AP can't pen level 3 armor right?

[rocky plover]

Shoot again while they are staggering

[rocky plover]

It does, and even though it cant pen L4 it's still quite good against it

[lost inlet]

rad.

[woeful dove]

It gets shot off?

[lost inlet]

ye.

it has durability stat.

[midnight stag]

Hey guys! I'm trying to get the gold watch, any tips?

[split scroll]

wait im a little confused isnt center mass the torso and abdomen?

does the spread hit limbs then

[woeful dove]

Is there a visual stat

[lost inlet]

no.

your paperdoll only tells if your helmet is still on or not.

not how much durability it has left.

[woeful dove]

Never shows that for me

The paper doll doesn't even show me if my face is being protected by a ballistic face mask or not anymore

I swear it used to show a little caricature of the face mask but now it just shows the goggles only

[unkempt granite]

i just shot some dude to the neck area with a shotgun and nothing hit him i'm crine 😭

[lost inlet]

aim the neck, people.

[obtuse cloak]

Can sameone help me with an new america?

[late ledge]

is there a way to reset career stats

[misty edge]

Mostly its all solo only use the AI to clear smaller rooms they can be really dumb

[gritty coyote]

What's the purpose of using hk416 when mcx has much lower recoil

[lost inlet]

for 416 fanboy.

[molten osprey]

Hk416 looks cool

[lost inlet]

yeah but it performs dogshit.

[dawn mountain]

Figured out a great way to S rank missions, stab vest and flash launcher primary with 21 rounds

My friend and I tried it and we S ranked Valley of Dolls and Carriers of the Vine first try lol

[split scroll]

damn it dude i got the perfect run for programmed psychosis
managed to lure the suspects from top floor down, and then a civ dies to suspect laying cover fire

[balmy patio]

take left route and rush generator, then use the metal door and hope the jammer is on the back of the third floor so that you have a path straight to fourth floor ammo box

and obviously use each metal door on the fourth floor to clear the right and left angle of the courtoom, however remember that the VIP suspect is always on the same exact spot no matter what so you can get away with hard peaking the courtroom and do everything as long as you dont get line of sight with him

[quasi coral]

Don't rush things, and you should also avoid any of the other objectives until the mission area is secured entirely

[sudden thorn]

Honestly just use heavy armour with either full ceramic or steels bring ten flash launcher rounds and a taser

That’s usually enough to get by

[dawn mountain]

That's true but we're even doing it without helemets just to be goofy

[sudden thorn]

Fair enough

[dawn mountain]

Just flash protectors and dreams

[sudden thorn]

Stab vest is fun to use as you have to be a lot more careful but it becomes really annoying as soon as you get shot at all because you’re now 3 shot

I wish it actually protected you from stabs

[dawn mountain]

The dorm's mission, my friend and I call the "Stab Hallway"

[sudden thorn]

For some reason I tried to do programmed psychosis with a stab vest

don’t know what I was thinking with that

I did get to the second last floor though

[dawn mountain]

Fair enough lol

[sudden thorn]

The more I play dorms the more I dislike it which is weird as I’ll play levels I used to dislike like greased palms and relapse and I’ll slowly begin to like the

[dawn mountain]

It just kinda sucks

It's too small and too many people

[sudden thorn]

yeah

[rare jay]

Tips for hunger strike? I run in, get a few kills, they take hostages, and then within seconds they kill the hostage, I cant even get to the hostage before they get shot.

[gritty coyote]

Dorms is.... unexpectedly tricky

Just 2 floors but the camping crackheads wait for you to run into the open

[late ledge]

bro...my first death in this game is from my own teammate's pepper balls.

[inland kelp]

you cant die to pepper balls?

ok so you cant shoot the guy with the bomb strapped to him?

[gritty coyote]

Don't shoot civs.
For enemies feel free

[inland kelp]

it was a enemy but bro surrendered the second he got .300 blackout JHP through the skull

[gritty coyote]

The surrender was unconditional

[coral tapir]

Honestly I don't really like the theme of wrecked house + folks on drugs at all.

And also neighborhood shooting, basically I don't like 2/3 of Home Invasion.

[inland kelp]

i didnt even let everyone live and i got a S rank lol

some guys got a feel of my "FACE REMOVAL SURGERY" loadout

[coral tapir]

Also one of the funnier thing is that assuming you gave them a chance to close in, knife suspects are actually more dangerous than bomb vested suspects, at least the latter they still maintain enough distance for gunfire, thus a very little time, though enough to stop them before they succeed, while the former just forces you into low / high ready state by kissing you and yeah you just, die.

[distant rose]

speedrun it

you gotta move fast

[gritty coyote]

Keeps you on your toes. Don't let any of them near. Watch dead corners

[late ledge]

i got shot already from the back, and then i walked into my own ai teammate's pepper balls without the mask and died

my ai teammates are notoriously bad at throwing any smokes

[final ember]

AI teammates just stare at suspects shooting at them more than ever omfg

the AI has gotten more stupid since yesterday

[inland kelp]

you cant die from pepperballs even without the gas mask

[late ledge]

i was already on low HP

i put all non-lethal weapons on them and i got close to one of the suspects they shot and started taking damage

[warm talon]

Every time I breach I go straight upstairs but they still kill a hostage on the bottom.

[undone gazelle]

Huzzah!

[copper silo]

dont think you can solo hunger strike

you need 2 people for the back door and the main entrance

[undone gazelle]

Sure you can, I remember having s ranked it solo. I don't recall them clipping hostages like in active shooter scenarios though.

[plush sequoia]

whats the best build for the mcx?

[rocky plover]

sfmb muzzle brake, vertical grip/th-grip, other attachments for sight and overbarrel personal preference

[plush sequoia]

also may i ask why the sfmb is better than socom if it doesnt supress?

like, i actually dont know

[rocky plover]

suppressor only reduces vertical recoil by 10%

while asr reduces it by 30% and sfmb by 40%

[plush sequoia]

ohh

also is vertical grip and th grip the same?

[rocky plover]

statistic wise yes both -10% vertical recoil reduction

[ionic river]

Where did you learn that?

[plush sequoia]

ohh ok

[rocky plover]

there's a spreadsheet linked in here somewhere that has everything explained

[ionic river]

A whole spreadsheet wow. Thank you, I will look around.

[late ledge]

i swear the AI is horrible

did it get worse with the updates?

[hoary fox]

let me pull it up

[vivid widget]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=700315143#gid=700315143

here it is, i have it saved in my archive server

[ionic river]

Even better thank you!

[plush sequoia]

same for 6.5 creedmoor?

[rocky plover]

if you're referring to swat AI, then ye kinda

[rocky plover]

pretty much for every rifle, yes

if you want maximum recoil reduction

[vivid widget]

rifles in this game only really care for vertical recoil control, the barely have any horizontal bounce

[late ledge]

looking at youtube videos from a year ago or more the AI wasn't this horrible at throwing in nades

every time i order a nade then clear it always lands on our feet

and this is without the door in the way either.

[rocky plover]

exactly which is why combat grip/side grip and angled grip is kinda useless on them

[vivid widget]

ye

[rocky plover]

ye honestly im not ordering them to throw nades anymore for now, they're horrendous, they aren't that bad with launcher though, so just tell them to clear with launcher

[gritty coyote]

After playing a lot of hunger strike cqb
Testing shotguns, rifles, even smg
g36c still ends up being the most reliable. Because there's no uncertainty: 2 hits kill. Magazine more generous than shotgun. And no need to switch for hostages.

[late ledge]

ur right with the launcher, but my god i have to nade everything myself.

[vivid widget]

g36c is always a good pick, also feels the most “swat” like

[rocky plover]

they're only good to be used for wedges, c2 and maybe launcher lol

[late ledge]

but the horrible nades isn't the only problem. sometimes they'll clear the room and leave suspects uncuffed

[gritty coyote]

I think weapon variety is kind of broken . There's no reason to use rifles with high recoil at all

[late ledge]

it wasn't this bad before tho was it?

[rocky plover]

it was still hit or miss sometimes, but wasnt this bad

[gritty coyote]

Or maybe g36c is just that godly

[plush sequoia]

do i use a laser on rotary bang launcher or a scope? or is that just personal preference

[late ledge]

[rocky plover]

i have both, but it's personal preference

[vivid widget]

doesn’t really matter honestly

[late ledge]

one of my officers threw the stinger back at us and i took damage

that got me chuckling

[rocky plover]

yea avoid stingers, they gonna get you killed lol

[late ledge]

roger that

unfortunately even the ai mods can't save the horrible nades.

[rocky plover]

they seem to be the worst with it as well because it's rounded and bigger to throw than the others

[gritty coyote]

Team ai is trash
Where are devs
Fix ai self bombing bug

[late ledge]

yeahh the hitbox is bigger so it'll bounce back 3/5 times

[rocky plover]

yea

[vivid widget]

on a new america we were being shot from a double door, and i was returning fire

one enemy rushes into the room and kills 2 of my swat ai because they were too busy looking at me rather than holding returning fire

swat ai is genuinely terrible

[rocky plover]

[late ledge]

yk what also triggers me. it's when i'm BARELY in the way and they tell me to move like DAMN

love this game tho, i just wish they made single player a bit more enjoyable with better AI

[feral yacht]

you can put a lot of flashes in your gear and bang the room for them

[plush sequoia]

and then they block the door 😭

[late ledge]

😭 nah fr

[feral yacht]

sometimes they throw it right

[late ledge]

it's like i'm tryna use the mirror gun and they're blocking the way like YOU MOVE

[gritty coyote]

There's a reason I play solo
But damn AI is gonna sour the fun for new players

[feral yacht]

I hope they fix this asp

[late ledge]

sometimes i want a flash and cs gas combo but it's a jack of all trades

if i throw a flash correctly, the gas will messed up. if i throw the gas, the flash will be messed up

[vivid widget]

i really want to use the ai properly but i have no idea what to actually have them do and even then i don’t trust them because they’re so shit 😭

[rocky plover]

not to mention they attract unneccesary attention and stress the suspect way more

[late ledge]

i genuinely watched a video on how to command the AIs so i understand what they do but it's js better to do things on my own

[rocky plover]

ye feels like babysitting lol

[late ledge]

yep

honestly tho doing the solo run is more fun

[gritty coyote]

Just for securing bags

[gritty coyote]

Yeah YouTubers just solo
Fastest way to improve

[hoary fox]

ai is surprisingly not that bad for clearing rooms, just make sure you make that sensible (AKA don`t make them clear the "warehouse" in Greased Palms)

[vivid widget]

at this point i’m considering solo too, but with that 4 primary and 3 secondary mags is not enough

[late ledge]

i actually get to use the mechanics if i do solo runs. using free leans around corners to gather intel, commanding surrendered susspects to move to different places so u don't get shot, etc

[gritty coyote]

Only for very small rooms.

[late ledge]

yep did my first solo run today (although it was gas station) and i felt like john wick

[gritty coyote]

6 primary, 1 second.
Enough for almost all maps

[late ledge]

most of the times they aren't, but some very annoying times, they'll start arresting and securing evidence when we haven't fully cleared a room.

[hoary fox]

In the Stolen Valor a team (2 ai) can clear an apartment, just make sure there are not too many suspects (+4)

[gritty coyote]

yea. My first solo was 23mb and it felt nerve wracking clearing the final room

[late ledge]

the final room is hard enough but the ai teammates make it even harder 😭

it's way too claustrophic sending in all 4 teammates in

[vivid widget]

i think i’ll try 5 primary 2 secondary since i run mkv

[late ledge]

if ur tryna S rank it yeah you have to be smart with it

usually you js wanna peek the door and bait the suspects

[gritty coyote]

S rank would be using rotary bang for everything
Robbing the joy of combat

I prefer to live on the edge

[late ledge]

get that S rank once and then js start blasting away afterwards

[vivid widget]

the flashlight that enrages suspects

[fleet canyon]

Can someone tell me how to S rank the levels please

[karmic shale]

don't kill anyone

:p

[fleet canyon]

And don't let your officers die and collect everything

[karmic shale]

yez

you can't incap either you can only arrest

[fleet canyon]

What in your opinion what's the hardest to S rank

[fleet canyon]

Ok

[karmic shale]

,, A New America

likee it makes greased palms look like childs play

[fleet canyon]

Ok good because I'm only up to rust belt

[fleet canyon]

I hated that until I met valley of the dolls

[karmic shale]

the shirt was worth it

[fleet canyon]

it took me 6 months to complete valley of the dolls

[karmic shale]

plus after my S rank there i js grabbed a SCAR n went ham

[fleet canyon]

Without s rank and I still got a D

[karmic shale]

6 months? qwq

[fleet canyon]

Yes

[karmic shale]

sheesh

[fleet canyon]

It was only today when I gave it another try after some multiplayer attempts where I finally beat it

But I only got D

[calm carbon]

Sometimes they are too afraid to fire for some reason 😭
Like just full auto these mfs

[fleet canyon]

So imagine me tryna get S

Can I just say something rq that I accept if it gets me banned from this server but I just wanna know if I can say it

[rocky plover]

ana and 3lt the most

[fleet canyon]

What's 3 lt

[karmic shale]

say what qwq

[rocky plover]

3 letter triad

[fleet canyon]

Oh

[fleet canyon]

Well uh I shouldn't really be playing RoN

[karmic shale]

hm

miniature individual detected

[calm carbon]

Greased palms was a wake-up call for me

Shit had me go for an incap after pressing A when they don't drop immediately

[fleet canyon]

Yeah I'm kinda probably like 5 years away

[karmic shale]

uhh,,

okaay?

[fleet canyon]

But I hate when you turn a corner and then some mf one shots u

[karmic shale]

don't rush around the corner thennn

[fleet canyon]

It happened to me on an s tier run

[calm carbon]

Mirror gun no ?

[karmic shale]

free lean and peek around the corner

[fleet canyon]

I didn't I peeked and then the mf saw me and shot me

[fleet canyon]

See I didn't have one and none of my ai did

[karmic shale]

get low to the groundd

[karmic shale]

you should keep a mirror

that's probably one of the best things to have on you

[fleet canyon]

I use shield cuz my aim sucks

[calm carbon]

I always keep a mirror on myself

[fleet canyon]

Unless I have a laser

[calm carbon]

My aim goes to shit the moment I get shot at

[karmic shale]

have ur AI keep launchers and breaching tools

[fleet canyon]

Mines good when I start getting sprayed

[karmic shale]

one should also have a shield

[calm carbon]

Really helps you arrest people
During greased palms
The upper level had 2 guys with AK behind cover waiting for me to open the door 💀

[fleet canyon]

Yeah 1 has a shield 1 has a breach shotgun it battering ram and the other 2 have like launcher or shield

[karmic shale]

I think I run
Shield
Battering ram
Flash launcher
Stinger launcher

or for the last one run a second mirror incase you wanna hold a door yourself

[fleet canyon]

What's y'alls fav level

[calm carbon]

Would be nice seeing RON tackle other SWAT units in other parts of the world
For example Iraq
It really is a good opportunity for More weapons and the environments (Iraq's police is a mix of eastern and western equipment)

[karmic shale]

probably between The Spider or Valley of the Dolls

simply for the fact i can cap people like that

[calm carbon]

I prefer smaller ones like houses
Or apartments
So I'd say the streamer one (forgot the name)

[karmic shale]

that may have to be a separate game because RoN already has an established story

[calm carbon]

True

[fleet canyon]

For me it's either twisted nerve and although I'm not there yet the oil rig

Wouldn't being able to lay down be good aswell

[calm carbon]

And if a game like that is made
You'd also run into a choice
Regular SWAT or STR units
Would be nice seeing different missions switch between the 2
I'm not sure if the US has STR teams

[rigid depot]

oh also like german and belgian units (SEK or GSG 9 for germany and DSU for belgium)

[calm carbon]

Those units are probably far more in line with the intended general purpose of Special Elite teams that give the police extra capability to tackle larger threats

[wooden lintel]

You can try Zero Hour, action takes in Bangladesh, it's worse than ron imo

[calm carbon]

If you look on Iraqi units you'll see that they lean far more into being Military than your average police unit

[calm carbon]

Unfortunately I'm on Xbox so it isn't an option for me
But now that you mentioned it
What happened to that game ?
I remember it had a sudden pop of popularity then it went under my radar ?

[wooden lintel]

Maybe because it was free on epic so people gave it a try

[marsh lark]

Zero Hour is pretty much dead, I believe it might have been the lack of updates.

[tacit gull]

zero hour is dead because its a shitty asset flip with gameplay that looks, feels, sounds and plays terrible

[wooden lintel]

Optimisation was also terrible

[tacit gull]

yeah i mean thats what happens when you rip models from gta v

and shove them into unity

[wooden lintel]

Yeah

[tacit gull]

the movement felt really bad, the levels constantly got you stuck on geometry

the ai was stupid and poorly animated

[mild forge]

Hi does anyone have a mod that lets you have no equipment on your back ?

[tacit gull]

yeah there should be one

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/7002

[calm carbon]

The animation looks pretty fake and steals from the intensity

Bought a series S

[mild forge]

Oh thanks a lot man

[inland kelp]

very unbalanced build imo, a i7 12700 should be paired with a like 4060 ti / rx 9060 at minimum

btw build your own pc prebuilts are overpriced asf

(or just search for a good deal on a laptop)

[calm carbon]

Unfortunately all my planning went out of the window back then because of the price

Consoles in Iraq are much more cheaper and reliable compared to PC

[inland kelp]

i meant to reply to your replys message im so stupid 😭

[calm carbon]

Nah it's fine

Back then I was REALLY into PCs

[inland kelp]

pls dont btw

[calm carbon]

When I got the Xbox series s I realised it's much more comfortable for me

[inland kelp]

ye

if you find a good deal on a laptop maybe go for it but i wont force you to do anything

[calm carbon]

Where I live (Iraq)
Laptops are very very expensive compared to PCs and consoles

Even laptops that are considered mid are expensive

[inland kelp]

i found my laptop on amazon for like 400€ off

good deals make it more worth it to get that compared to a desktop+

[calm carbon]

That is a good deal

[inland kelp]

i got it for like 20€ more than a desktop would cost at similar performance (and i got a 120hz 1920x1200 monitor included)

[calm carbon]

I get my game pass ultimate subscription for the equivalent of 7 USD (for 2 months)
It's really good and made getting the Xbox series worth it

[inland kelp]

the best deals are the best computers honestly

[calm carbon]

My monitor is a black wolf 27 inch
165HZ and 2K

[inland kelp]

but prebuilts are overpriced asf dont even bother looking at them if you want a upgrade

[inland kelp]

i have a 34" AOC monitor and ive had it for like 2 years now and only realized a couple days ago its a 4k monitpr

thats crazy cuz it was like 350 or 400€ for a 34" 4k 144hz monitor

[calm carbon]

Fun fact
I heard a story from someone
Dude got a pree build pc from a shop in northern Iraq
It was delivered to him
After he tried to run it
It didn't even work lol 💀

[inland kelp]

thats prebuilts for ya

you pay like 1500 bucks for ddr4 ram

[calm carbon]

Lamo
How did you miss the big 4K tag most TVs have on their box ?

[inland kelp]

like son i can put together a parts list with ddr5 ram (yes with these prices) for 1200

[inland kelp]

my dad got it off amazon

and its a monitor not a tv

btw to any mods reading this this is totally about ready or not

[calm carbon]

He knows ball
That was an ELITE pick

[calm carbon]

Are you ready or not to buy a PC ?

[scenic flint]

lol

[inland kelp]

i am not because i have a laptop thats good enough

[fleet canyon]

😂 😂 😂

[calm carbon]

Also any discussion about specs of PCs are very very about RON
Why ?
Every map (especially the one with the streamer) has a PC

[fleet canyon]

Bro my laptop runs RoN at like 10-20fps

[inland kelp]

graphics settings at epic 100%

[fleet canyon]

on the lowest possible graphics

[inland kelp]

what specs you got

cpu, gpu, etc

[calm carbon]

I remember an Arabic video about Ron
One of the comments was
"Does it run on android ?"

[fleet canyon]

.

[inland kelp]

what are the specs on your pc?

[fleet canyon]

Pc is fine but laptop oh hell no

[inland kelp]

wdym

what gpu and cpu do you have

[fleet canyon]

Idk my specs but it's a Lenovo 500w Yoga gen 4

4 minutes and I'll upload a video on the lag

[inland kelp]

can you open task manager and see what gpu it has (if at all)?

[fleet canyon]

Uhm

[inland kelp]

@fleet canyon that looks like 5 fps lol

[fleet canyon]

Yeah

Well my laptop now runs RoN at an average of 1 fps

@inland kelp

[inland kelp]

ye?

its a lenovo laptop idk what else to tell you

lenovo makes not very decent performing laptops for gaming unless its a legion

[fleet canyon]

It's a fucking school laptop that can run msfs at 120fps

And can't run ready or not

[cursive minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-unreal-engine-computer-smoking-computer-smoking-gif-24575019

That's unreal engine for ya

[winter pendant]

embed perms 👀

[calm carbon]

What's your go to armour ?
Mine is always a Heavy vest

[lost inlet]

light front only steel.

[wind marsh]

Has anyone completed new America yet I keep dying on the 3rd floor

[rough flume]

On S Rank Baby

[rough flume]

Most Likely Heavy Ye

Unless There are active Shooter

[celest spindle]

Does anyone find stanard bit hard on xbox?

[wind marsh]

I’m on ps5 and I find it a bit difficult

[golden saddle]

Yeah, the 3rd floor is rough. Try moving slower, wedge doors behind you, use mirror gun before every entry, and let AI clear rooms with flashbangs first.

[calm carbon]

Hmmm
I see you got jumped by AI like it's prime cod MW2 no ?

[celest spindle]

I keep getting aimbot by them

[fleet canyon]

Whats the lore of RoN? It's something I don't understand

[celest spindle]

I was thinking of switching to casual... but will I miss something?

[celest spindle]

Its just random missions lol

[rough flume]

No it has lore

[fleet canyon]

Isn't there some lore though

[rough flume]

Many Missions are Build up by the previous ones

[celest spindle]

I think there is some kinda connectivity

[rough flume]

Yea

[celest spindle]

Between missions

[calm carbon]

Yeah you really shouldn't rush them tho
I recommend first spotting them
Then flashing them or keeping your gun at them
(Literally got mag dumped by Amos because I didn't know he had a Glock on him)

[calm carbon]

The city is gone to shit and the CIA isn't innocent in it

[rough flume]

I think casual will prevent you from achievements and skins you will unlock

[celest spindle]

Its the long ass hallways

That I have issues with

Using cs gas in this game sucks

[golden saddle]

Are you listening to AI's orders?

[calm carbon]

Well my solution to those is
Wait for them to display aggression and shoot at the chest immediately

[celest spindle]

What AI orders?

[celest spindle]

You have any videos?

I can check

[rough flume]

I think it got recently buffed tho but I also havent find a use of gas yet However you can deploy Gas Infront of a closed door and it will spread into the room you try to enter

[golden saddle]

Sometimes AIs don't listen

[calm carbon]

No unfortunately
But I recommend not caring about Headshots at all
I do that because I mainly use Assault Rifles

Torso
Center of mass is far easier to hit

Might get them to stagger

Or you can hit the legs

Or plevis

They've got no armour there

[wind marsh]

I’ve been running new America in co-op but everyone splits up or trying rushing through and I’m always the last one alive trying to make it to the end

[rough flume]

You Play with randoms Like quick search ?

Never recommend

[wind marsh]

Yup, occasionally one or two of friends are one but it still doesn’t end well

[rough flume]

Everytime when I join a random Open Lobby they just shoot and run into every Room without tactics

[wind marsh]

Yea that’s the most annoying part

[golden saddle]

Good night

[celest spindle]

I always hit them on thr chest, I rarely make a headshot. The only thing is AI teammates are pain in thr butt they do random stuff when I ask them to clear a room and the AI enemy just aimbots me out of nowhere

[distant rose]

FINALLY I S RANKED ANA

[rocky plover]

nice, congrats

[late ledge]

Unfortunately they haven’t leveled out the playing field

Cause in no world does a random man with a gun out aim swat officers who target practice almost every day

[celest spindle]

This game is lame when it comes to CQB and the AI is ass

Like thr AI just sees my head and just shoots me
Likes whats the point of even having a full Armour then
Playing on stanard just feels hard no matter how methodically you approach a situation

Even when you to throw a grenade they just throw it on their feet instead of it inside the room lol

[obtuse sequoia]

Is Arma worth getting on PS5?

[tacit gull]

you should probably get it on pc

[obtuse sequoia]

I heard it lags on PS5

[tacit gull]

It does when modded

[mystic palm]

What are the best the traits to have in ANA to get S rank?

[topaz wraith]

does subscribing to a mod mean installing?

[sweet fractal]

i sadly headshot almost all the time but if i can i try to aim for the torso or pelvis area to incap but not kill

[sweet fractal]

you dont need to "kill" but rather only neutralize

[sweet fractal]

good night pluna sleep well

[rocky plover]

2 negotiators and 2 pacifiers

if you're struggling to stay alive or swat AI is dying you could use 2 negotiatiors, 1 armorer, 1 nutritionist

[vivid widget]

what about for lethal

[rocky plover]

1 armorer, 1 nutritionist, 2 veterans was my go to for ironman (did it lethal way)

[vivid widget]

i think i have that for one of my commander mode profiles, at least i hope
generally don't like commander mode as quick play is easier to just restart

[dawn mountain]

I love making myself look extremely tactical then putting the MMA Spats on

[rocky plover]

ye i only played commander mode once for the achievements

quick play is just better and faster

[vivid widget]

though at this point with how shit the ai is i might just go true solo lmao

[rocky plover]

ye even better xd

[dim leaf]

anyone else notice judge saying civilians are DOA when he shoots them

[wooden lintel]

Use nexus for mods, mod.io is trash

[split scroll]

How come some people doing programmed psychosis dont rewire the cams? Does the ai change or js making it more hard for themselves?

[rocky plover]

probably got bored of retrying over and over, cos even me I was not rewiring it sometimes after quite a few retries when i was doing that achievement

[vivid widget]

what does rewiring the cams even do

[winter pendant]

It lets you use them to scout rooms

[rocky plover]

gives you 7 random cams that you can look at

[fallen osprey]

opinion on mp7?
my opinion: really good gun, very controllable when using full auto bursts with a good grip, very accurate even at long range, high mag capacity with a fast reload, great armor penetration, very short, only problem is it doesnt one shot guys so you need to use full auto. probably my favorite gun

[rocky plover]

very good smg, with vertical grip especially, JHP for up to L2 armor, AP for up to L3 armor

[gritty coyote]

yeah but
you have to justify why one would want to use it instead of g36c

I tried out various SMGs for cqb on hunger strike and g36c still gives the most reliable "tap to hit twice" kills

clean as butter too

they need to give bigger buffs, like movement speed, to SMGs, to justify the opportunity cost of not using g36c

[fleet canyon]

Can someone tell me why walking on controller is slower than keyboard

[rocky plover]

well Ar's are always more versatile but the mp7 does have very fast RoF so TTK should be higher than with g36c

[runic gazelle]

Does stolen valor have bugged out traps that are just outright invisible

[gritty coyote]

2/750 < 3/950

[runic gazelle]

I know the wire is there, but a buddy literally couldn't see the trap itself

[wraith lance]

The only benefit of SMGs is shorter gun, so doesn't lift up to walls

[gritty coyote]

funny because many SMGs are literally longer than g36c

[wraith lance]

(Well "doesn't", at least you can be closer to surface AND suspects, so to speak)

[gritty coyote]

perhaps we could argue that g36c is too OP

[rocky plover]

it's 2 shots with JHP

on standard at least

[fleet canyon]

I just make the longest gun possible

[gritty coyote]

on hard it's always 3

[rocky plover]

on hard ye

[gritty coyote]

don't get me wrong I want to have an excuse to use SMGs as well but the weapon balancing leaves them sore

[rocky plover]

ye i agree with you they have limited use

[gritty coyote]

even counterstrike gives SMGs an accuracy buff when running and gunning.

[wraith lance]

Same for pistols

[gritty coyote]

what's the advantage for using SMGs here no idea

[wraith lance]

Why would you use a secondary ?

[runic gazelle]

mhm yep thanks

[gritty coyote]

secondary is shorter than g36c. Some very tight spots (dorms) benefit from it. Or when you need very precise shots without height over bore problem

[rocky plover]

i guess without the suppressors they could be much shorter than rifles i guess

[calm carbon]

Unfortunately in the game seeing people with vests are common

So many SMGs suffer

[wraith lance]

Yeah but you see : it's so situational that almost none situation met worth trying pistols

[rocky plover]

since smg's only has suppressor choices as muzzle attachments lol

[gritty coyote]

I agree that's why I only have 1 pistol mag. Usually more necessary when I run shotgun

hostage when using shot gun = sidearm

[wraith lance]

You could also say "no secondaries", so you get one tactical slot available

I would use a grenade more than the pistol

[bitter mason]

smgs are generally shorter so easier to use in cqc
I do think they should get some bonus ammo or something to make up for their lack of punch

[wraith lance]

Even the revolver that could work as a one tap isn't effective against armor

[gritty coyote]

g36c is shorter than some SMGs

[wraith lance]

ARN-180 too

Even the MK18, they are ARs quite short and in 300 blk or 5.56

[rocky plover]

most versatile rifle ngl with JHP

[gritty coyote]

weapon balancing also leaves some iconic weapons like hk416 with high recoil and therefore why would anybody use it

are you telling me it's just straight worse than other weapons

[wraith lance]

Even the SA on 7.62 gives quite a nice power/size ratio

(And... My dear AK... My beloved)

[gritty coyote]

the AK gets a terrible huge muzzle device

and that's it

[wraith lance]

Wish there was a flash hider yeah

[gritty coyote]

it is accurate to real life that hk416 just has much higher recoil than mcx / g36c ?

[wraith lance]

So I mostly go with the suppressor, since it doesn't decreass damage

[wraith lance]

Gun's lighter I think

Make a light gun : powder power is felt more

[gritty coyote]

I can not justify the huge-ass suppressor. In tight doorways, length is absolutely crucial for bigger peeking angles

this games doesn't have some kind of accuracy bonus that would come from longer barrels etc.

it's all about peeking

I do appreciate that there is no artificial accuracy debuff in this game (see stalker 2 with shot randomness)

[fallen osprey]

a) short
b) high rof
c) realistically, light & easy to carry
also it sounds cool and looks cool
ill try the g36 though

[distant rose]

bc cool

[gritty coyote]

And there is another similarity, as the HK416 also uses a short-stroke gas piston system where the expanding gas pushes a piston rod that strikes the bolt carrier assembly.
This makes it more reliable in harsh conditions as it runs cooler and reduces carbon build-up.
The system is known for being "overgassed" to guarantee reliability.
This can increase recoil and gives faster, more aggressive cycling compared to the direct impingement system used in other AR-15-type rifles like the Royal Marines' and Ranger Regiment's KS-1.

[wraith lance]

g36 is a great go-to

[gritty coyote]

so the benefits of hk416 just are not seen in this game

[distant rose]

ig. most video games don't implement reliability

[gritty coyote]

stalker mods would

but yeah

[distant rose]

most

[fallen osprey]

yeah makes a lotta sense here

what are you gonna do dive into the sand on 3 letter triad? no youre completing the mission and going home and servicing your gun, no long missions like seals xd

[distant rose]

after all adding a gun jamming feature or smthn like that would just create more backlash than praise

[wraith lance]

There's one :
playing a wanna be operator

[wraith lance]

Especially when you're not supposed to be a simulator

[tropic bolt]

Can I play multiplayer with a friend but retain the other bots? Or does it have to be just me and him

[rocky plover]

there's no bots in multiplayer unless using mod for to have bots in MP

[tropic bolt]

Hmm ok

[karmic shale]

kinda ridiculous I can't get the programmed psychosis achievement cuz i dont got game pass

like

it's just so dumb lol why not just make it where you can turn off AI teammates

[polar trellis]

So since its all back and forth can AI see lasers or not?

[fallen osprey]

no they cannot, they can see flashlights

[karmic shale]

only flashlights

[polar trellis]

Ive seen that, but i've gotten conflicting responses online for the lasers depending on the AI stress level

Also how to get thru twisted nerve without hitting any motion detectors? I hear the beep, i cant find the device.

[karmic shale]

there are none?

[polar trellis]

Do you not hear the beep, moving into certain rooms?

[karmic shale]

no I don't

[polar trellis]

Reminds me of my door detector in my house.

Oh no. I stood in the methlab too long.... im going crazy.

[rough needle]

is it that realistic for swat officers to bag evidence in the field

like wouldn't they just mark it off w/ a chemlight if its important or clear it if its a gun and move on

[pure spindle]

is csgas still broken?

[fallen osprey]

i dont think its realistic for police in general to bag evidence in the field

you need to leave stuff where it is for investigation

[rocky plover]

it got buffed slightly, but not as op as it was before the nerf, but it's usable now

[rough needle]

dont think so

[pure spindle]

balright

[rough needle]

yeah exactly

[pure spindle]

maybe its skill issue of mine

[late ledge]

NEVER let ur AI teammates throw the CS gas

they usually js end up throwing it at their feet and not inside the damn room

[gritty coyote]

at least that is not as harmful as letting them flash your face

[late ledge]

BRO I was so annoyed when we were on the last room and I banged by my own teammates

[gritty coyote]

just play solo

[late ledge]

Couldn’t even enter the room and suspects weren’t even blinded

[late ledge]

I did a solo run after I got my S

I usually just S rank it once and then start blasting away cause the gunplay is so satisfying

feels good one tapping the suspects on the head

[gritty coyote]

yeah, RON gunplay just leaves the other games in the dust

screen shaking, moment of life and death, the adrenaline rush

Hard Solo on Relapse is still quite challenging.
I'm really hating those blue thingies that block my view but apparently not the AI view

[polar trellis]

I think that applies to every throwable

[prisma adder]

im a new player can anyone explain why i would use a breaching shotgun/c2/ram/lockpick

[rough flume]

To decrease their moral tho so they are much likely to give up

And C2 can also Stun suspects

[gritty coyote]

only c2 is useful because you can open door without being near the door / line of fire, and enemies get stunned longer with C2

[fallen osprey]

no, more than just c2 is useful

[gritty coyote]

actually breaching has some utility for some wooden doors where you can destroy a corner to throw flash through it

but that's not universal

[fallen osprey]

shotgun lets you open door from far away and reduces morale

[prisma adder]

is there a list somewhere to see what effects moral

[fallen osprey]

ram lets you open doors quickly from the side and reduces morale

[gritty coyote]

the problem with ram is that if they bumrush you you waste time switching back to main weapon

[fallen osprey]

well you dont use it solo

[gritty coyote]

I only play solo

[fallen osprey]

ok well did they say they play solo

[gritty coyote]

a bigger one is the opportunity cost of not using mirror gun or tactical shield

either of which is op

[prisma adder]

also is there a thing where suspects will just open the door right when you mirror it or is it bad luck

[fallen osprey]

bad luck

[prisma adder]

damn

[gritty coyote]

not just luck. They HEAR you

[prisma adder]

i got ptsd from having that happen 2 times and now i just tell my bots to stack the door while i mirror

[gritty coyote]

always aim at the door and listen for footsteps first

they can bumrush you if they feel you are there

mirror gun is powerful but using it requires you to let everything breathe and no one is rushing you

turn off music and listen to ambient sounds

[prisma adder]

what loadouts do you guys usualy use

[gritty coyote]

primary g36c, AP with vertical recoil attachments

flashbang and wedge, mirror / shield

[rocky plover]

stay on hinge side while using mirrorgun, and you'll be covered by the door if suspect opens it

[gritty coyote]

if it's double door there is no safe side

valid for single door

[rocky plover]

you'll still be covered if done correctly tbh, giving you enough time to switch

but ye it is a bit more risky

if you're solo since you've got no one covering the door while you're using mirrorgun, you should wedge it, check with mirror and then remove wedge

[late ledge]

true

[late ledge]

especially with the gunfighter mod. it removes the anim when yelling for compliance

[polar trellis]

Just played it again. I hear the beeps, I'm not crazy.

[warm talon]

Wdym beeps on twisted nerve?

[polar trellis]

Beeps in certain areas of the buildings when moving through them. Like the second floor 'bridge' for instance.

Ive run it three times now and the beeps are all there for me.

[half hawk]

What loadout should I use in relapse?

[brave jolt]

Does RON support DLSS?

[half hawk]

Yeah, it does

[unkempt granite]

what are some good custom maps?

[half hawk]

I tried checking every video I could find and I tried to loadouts and I couldn’t get to the second bomb

Does anyone know some good loadouts I can use on relapse?

[brave jolt]

Neat, i recently got a 5080

[half hawk]

Good for you, your game is gonna run very smoothly

[south nimbus]

I’m stuck inside of a police officer currently, my game is unplayable in commander mode

[wooden lintel]

is that police officer female at least?

[nimble ravine]

That’s just you. I don’t know how that happens for you

[south nimbus]

No, however I think judge still enjoys it

[nimble ravine]

Maybe see if you can recreate the bug then put it in the bug report channel

[wooden lintel]

only judge can judge judge

[nimble ravine]

Cause one popular one me and my buddy was running into while trying to S rank greased palms was the FISI agent would glitch out on the top railing in the corner near the upstairs postal room. Then another guy would glitch out outside in the ramp to the truck

shit was so annoying, we’d get everyone on their knees for us then those guys wouldn’t go down. We’d have to get lucky (which we finally did) to get S rank on that God forsaken map

[wooden lintel]

they are just trying to get into backrooms

[nimble ravine]

it was rough lmao, now I wear that stupid tatto all the time

[brave jolt]

How smooth you think?

[half hawk]

Depends I’m a console player

[brave jolt]

Oh

[wooden lintel]

with 5080 you probably don't need dlss

[nimble ravine]

Ew dlss

[gusty breach]

hhi catholiccc

[gusty breach]

what happened

[nimble ravine]

Read above. Me and my buddy s ranked greased palms on hardmode

took us a bit cause it’s buggy as heck on that map

[gusty breach]

oh ok good job is the RTWC a good gun or no

[wooden lintel]

it's decent

[nimble ravine]

Yes

6.5 creedmoor is used for range but if you wanna hit the guy in the next room while you’re indoor then yeah

typically don’t use full auto with battle rifles

[gusty breach]

ok thanks for the tip i was thinking of using it

[gritty coyote]

finally Hard Solo cleared Relapse.
An incredibly frustrating map. So many small things can go wrong.

[late ledge]

holy shit bro why are these randoms all john wicks

i took off the ai compliance mod and now everyone js be shooting

[gritty coyote]

• It's best to start from parking lot (the bombs are closer).
• Pick the small stairs (not the big stairs) to go to 3rd floor (easier route).
• Sky bridge actually has some cover. Run fast to wedge the double door.
• On the level with the guy to arrest, wedge a lot to prevent suspects from running.
• The double-room morgue is cursed and ender of many runs due to messed up sight lines. Wedge, bait them out, hope for good RNG.

It's hard to pinpoint why the map is difficult. Probably because the hospital rooms are confusing and look the same with junk covering your sightlines.

I guess also another reason is that the map is just too long and attention span peters out.

I had two runs that almost ended perfectly but one random schmuck in the last level shot from somewhere I didn't see

I look forward to never running Relapse again.

[balmy patio]

the longetivity and suspect amount

is of the same as other long maps where resource scarcity becomes a big problem especially solo

[gritty coyote]

yeah 6 primary mags almost ran out

[balmy patio]

another thing is that relapse is the best at disguising their suspects as civilians

all gods burn might be harder to spot but after the start is cleared it quickly dissolves

relapse has the suspects disguise as the staff team through the entire facility

[nimble ravine]

Yeah, have fun

[gritty coyote]

I didn't have a problem spotting the suspects in civilian garbs. They walk like they own the place instead of hunking down or cowering. And their accent and voice of course

The only annoying one is that one civilian doctor with bomb vest and darker skin with tattoo

[gusty breach]

thanks

[gritty coyote]

I twice thought he was a terrorist

[balmy patio]

its mainly due to longevity that these mistakes can happenyeah

another thing is that although it is very rare for the AI to be there

there are some runs where theres 2 or more suspects camping the windows that have open sights to the bridge

in hard mode they will aimbot you straight through them so for some people it can be quite challenging to cross

theres one particularly bad spot where the suspect is in between the shelf leading to the bathroom so hes barely visible by a pixel even with a scope

[gritty coyote]

Oh yes. In one run I killed actually 5 of those at the bridge. They shot me so I ran back and they started chasing me by running out into the bridge. Bad mistake

The bridge is the only part where I felt like I should have brought a 4x scope

[balmy patio]

but yeah the worst thing about relapse is the timer, it is the map with the most longevity in the game or tied with oilrig

[analog willow]

Spent most of my morning trying to S rank that level on Hard, and it just got stupid. Dudes taking 4 beanbag shots and a direct hit from a launcher without so much as flinching.

[gritty coyote]

Leviathan?

[balmy patio]

so each retry can be just 30 minutes wasted especially because people get careless after clearing the first building

[gritty coyote]

Or hide and seek

[balmy patio]

yeah leviathan is the oilrig, however IMO relapse is longer because leviathan is still pretty CQC at its core

its just the amount of walking you have to do between each building and encounter in relapse that spreads it out so much

[gritty coyote]

Was leviathan long? I just hated how close the rooms are. The enemies keep running back to previously cleared room

[balmy patio]

nah its just that theres alot of floors and stuff to clear that its pretty close to relapse

but relapse is longer, and dear god pray that you did not forget a piece of evidence behind or you are finished

[gritty coyote]

looped the map 3 times to pick things up yeah

[balmy patio]

leviathan lets you get away with speedunning some breaching processes or ignoring some rooms, on relapse you have to check everything since there could be a civilian hidden in a random ass desk and that would force you to backtrack the whole map

[solemn patio]

Me magdumping down the hallway in full auto and realizing civs exist

[balmy patio]

people overstimate how hard ANA is when in reality its tamer than the other hard maps

just off the principle of having an ammo box to begin with

now go solo hard mode S rank three letter triad and you have to pray that each stun surrenders the suspects or else thats too much ammo wasted

[solemn patio]

It isnt difficult if you play it how its meant to be played; like a gung ho cowboy

Atleast thats how i play it and will continue to play it

[balmy patio]

i would argue non lethal is even easier than lethal with how CQC the map is and with the ammo box it lets you get away with spamming flash nade launcher

[solemn patio]

I use the flash launcher to stun ai then i full auto wm to hell

You can tell I dont like s ranking right?

Recently s ranked ides and elephant, they were both different hells

[true saddle]

the fact that the canted backup iron sights don't remove the ones already on the gun so you have 2 sets of backup iron sights looks so stupid and makes me never use them

[gritty coyote]

Canted laser is more than enough

[gusty breach]

hi detectives

[astral lion]

@novel mortar where did you get your tinted shades from

[novel mortar]

huh?

The glasses?

[astral lion]

yes

[gusty breach]

hhi gammas

[novel mortar]

ahhh, those I have via the Baker Company mod.
it addes ALOT of stuff, this is the link https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/7570

[astral lion]

hi vampire

[astral lion]

and thank you very much

[novel mortar]

np

[gusty breach]

how are you doing

[solemn patio]

The most I do in terms of forensics is identify which chunk of meat belongs to which poor bastard i just ventilated

Ingame

[gusty breach]

ok

[astral lion]

pretty good about to play with hopefully my final mod stack, you

[gusty breach]

just playing ready or not whats your favorite gun in the game

[astral lion]

of all the vanilla guns its a toss up between the benelli, hk416, arwc and the 2011p

[north wolf]

can enemy ai see my laser? on a new america? on standard?

[astral lion]

i've never had them react to visible lasers but they do react to white light

not sure if that's only on hard, i relied on baiting them with it to do programmed psychosis though

[gusty breach]

do you hate the post office map

[astral lion]

i used to

[gusty breach]

greased chicken nuggets aka greased palms

[olive condor]

Does medal of honor only count for the base missions or DLC included?

[gritty star]

If you mean Medal of Valor, it's only base game

[frosty pasture]

I know females play ready or not to just a genuine question is if female operators are planned for a future update as a playable character thing in multiplayer

[nimble ravine]

yeah, that’d be cool to see cause I know there is women that are apart of the force in real life

[lost inlet]

…female…

Just say women like a normal person bruh.

[nimble ravine]

“Females” is wild ngl

But leave him alone lmao

[frosty pasture]

Well games classify it as male and female or non binary so im going of game terms here

Or sorry rephrase that newer modern game terms

[nimble ravine]

Sure, whatever you say bud

[late ledge]

this honestly

We need a Chris Alonso

[vagrant marsh]

Id be happy if it was even in just multi/quick play

Bc story is story

[cedar prairie]

is there a damn way i can literally prevent the fuh ahh mexicans in hunger strike from killing hostages

no matter the pace they keep killing them lmao

i tried the fastest i could go

[vagrant marsh]

I found shotgun

[cedar prairie]

cant shotgun if theyre holding them

[vagrant marsh]

Uuhh, they cant kill the hostage if you do

Fr though, I did find a fair amount of success with the UMP-45 JHP rounds, they don't have armour, the UMP let's you move quick

Flashed the main hall, the cold room and upstairs

[nimble ravine]

P90 and mp5 supremacy

[vagrant marsh]

I just dont like how 9mm feels in this game

[nimble ravine]

Pew pew

.300 blackout supremacy

[vagrant marsh]

See now THAT I can get behind

[novel mortar]

how about 5.56×45mm NATO

[cedar prairie]

no wont the pellets hit the hostage

they always hug them

unless RON's logic ain like that

[dusty ravine]

What about my glorious king the mp7

[nimble ravine]

What about 6.5 creedmor or 7.62x51mm

[nimble ravine]

Never played with it

[fast mantle]

Does firing officers count as losing them for an iron man run?

I did not get a nice starting line up

[nimble ravine]

If I recall

[gritty coyote]

wow why is the laser so freaking bright in Hide and seek? water reflections make the laser bloom like hell

which graphics setting can mitigate this ?

found it. Post processing. Turn it to low and it stops blooming

ok. Hide and Seek on hard is AIDS. Aimbotting is worse when you can't see shit.

[cedar prairie]

you can stay on top of the tower and find a shotgun killing your team

[gritty coyote]

getting to top of tower is like asking to be shot from all the terminator bots

[marble flume]

IMO, a ballistic shield is mandatory on HaS

[gritty coyote]

yeah but a pistol can hardly compete at the ranges

[cedar prairie]

yes

how to s rank elephant

[nimble ravine]

I mean, use MK-V if you want range

[marble flume]

@balmy lotus Saw your clip on #🎬ron-clips-and-media , if you rapid-fire any pistol your shots are way off, and I think I can see the bullet impacts off to the left since you're hitting a left lean

[nimble ravine]

but for pistol lol

[marble flume]

You don't even need to engage anyone with it, its just so you don't get your ass clapped moving from point A to point B

[nimble ravine]

Bro

Send a message link, I wanna see

[marble flume]

Forgot I could do this lol

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

My Hide and Seek strategy usually involves a shotgun, because it ends a fight almost instantly and the shotguns double as sniper rifles if you put a choke on them

[nimble ravine]

Lowkey that’s ridiculous

bro mag (clip?) dumped into that guy and his reticle was on him the whole time

[marble flume]

It looks like a hitreg issue, but honestly my bet is on the rapid-fire. I'm not kidding when I say you're usually hitting the ceiling with most handguns if you just mash the fire key

[nimble ravine]

Honestly, that doesn’t usually happen for me but sometimes that happens so I get what you mean lol

[marble flume]

You gotta space your shots a bit with pistols toa ctually hit your intended target, although I think the G18c is better in this regard since its set up as a machinepistol

[nimble ravine]

Agreed, especially with battle rifles

[marble flume]

battle rifles I usually fire on automatic anyway lol

[nimble ravine]

lmfao

Suspects are being riddled with bullets

[marble flume]

Its specifically a pistol issue because the game actually tracks the muzzle flip of the pistol, so if you're shooting too fast the pistol hasn't actually recentered yet

The G18c has insanely fast recenter speed though, since its designed to shoot at 1200 RPM on automatic lol. I think the new 2011 is pretty good in that regard too, although 9mm is complete ass against armor and even kinda bad against unarmored

[nimble ravine]

I love the LVAR

[nimble ravine]

You just gotta place your shots

Any gun is good, just accuracy plays a lot in this game

But the non lethal smg is dog shit

[fast mantle]

My suspects refuse to comply after flashbangs and I'm only on standard. Michael has died twice now

[nimble ravine]

lmfao

[fast mantle]

Caught a buckshot and then one too may JHP 300 blackout

[marble flume]

I mean, against armor you basically just need a headshot with a 9mm AP pistol, but 9mm JHP at least does damage to limbs so that works out as well.

Honestly, despite my 9mm bitching, the G18c is still a pretty solid pistol, not to mention its basically an SMG that doesn't take up your primary slot

[marble flume]

A common complaint, honestly I'd argue that every pepperball gun is bad, and the pepper pistol might actually be the best pepperball gun just because it works with a shield

[fast mantle]

Even in semi, nothings really beating the 20+ rounds

[marble flume]

Spamming the G18c on semi is actually also kinda disgusting as shit lol

[nimble ravine]

Yeah, my favorites are MK-V, USP45, and Fiveseven

[nimble ravine]

Yeah, I guess you’re right

[marble flume]

I've heard a lot of USP45 praise and I don't really get it, personally. .45 AP can two-shot Level 2 armor, but thats all I can really figure out

[nimble ravine]

Slick and it’s just a cool pistol

[winter pendant]

It's because it's not 9mm and holds more than 9 rounds.

It's not complicated

[marble flume]

I mean, 9mm, 10mm and .45 ACP are pretty much all equally terrible

[lost inlet]

It’s the best .45 pistol. Good damage, good range and low recoil.

It’s just good, not particularly great or terrible, just good.

[fast mantle]

Dawg is my ai bugged or something? All the fucking suspects do is shoot on sight. We are silent breaching, it's the first fucking room

[marble flume]

I'll be the biggest FN57 shill in here, that pistol is cracked

[fast mantle]

It's only on standard like what is wrong

[marble flume]

If you're in commander, you need two Intimidators to make sure they DON'T do that. Its dumb.

[fast mantle]

The suspects on hard were more compliant

[lost inlet]

What map?

[fast mantle]

I know, buts it's fresh start in Ironman and I can't just fire everyone

[nimble ravine]

Lmfao I just got “the fool” achievement by the diddy foid on valley of the dolls

[fast mantle]

Both TYCA and 23mbps

[marble flume]

You CAN just restart the entire run though, and... honestly I recommend doing that

[fast mantle]

I'm probably going do it's pissing me off

[marble flume]

Also, if you're going for Hermit you can't fire ANYONE

[fast mantle]

I've seen mixed reports saying it does and doesn't affect the achievement

[marble flume]

You basically just have to reroll for good starter traits, its pretty rough

[fast mantle]

I had a normal commander run where I just got a clean slate to hire the first 5 or 6 people

[marble flume]

don't even get me started on the rust belt achievement

The one that's .357 only, the amount of nonsense that invalidates that achievement is nuts

[fast mantle]

Yeah

I don't even want to do that one

[lost inlet]

Weird, 23 is normal cause it happens to me all the time.

[marble flume]

There's also one that requires you to clear Twisted Nerve using only like CS Gas and some other stuff, and I have that achievement and I don't even think I actually tried to get it at any point

[cedar prairie]

whatre the side objectives in 23 megabytes a second yo

[lost inlet]

It’s the meta handgun after all.

[cedar prairie]

i cant find em aside from t he pc

[marble flume]

server rack on the second floor, michael's PC and some naughty material by Michael's bedside table

[fast mantle]

Report the server farm, report evidence next to the streamers bed, and the pc

[cedar prairie]

okay ty

[marble flume]

Its best feature are the stagger chances, they aren't abysmal like they are on every other pistol (apart from the MK V lmao). They're even better than the .357 Magnum, and you've got a low-recoil 20-round pistol that defeats level 2 armor with jacketed hollowpoints

It beats level 3 armor with AP, but you lose a lot to get that and I'm not a fan of AP in general

[nimble ravine]

The five seven right? The one with a 20 clip capacity?

[marble flume]

20-round mags, yeah, and its got a 50% stagger chance on flesh hits and 80% chance against armor when loaded with JHP

[fast mantle]

insert image of a 5.7 taking a stripper clip

[nimble ravine]

Damn

[marble flume]

day of infamy gif of a 1911 being top loaded

[cedar prairie]

does gas mask protect yall from pepperball shots

[gritty coyote]

Hide and Seek feels more like a Stalker map than a RON map

[cedar prairie]

doing s rank lol

[fast mantle]

Any

[marble flume]

I mean pepperball shots don't do anything to you, I think, but it does protect from gas clouds which pepper guns can create, so its a good idea to wear one.

I'd only ever recommend a pepper gun for Normal though, and they're ass in the hands of SWAT AI

[karmic shale]

anything pertaining to inhalation of foreign substances yes

[cedar prairie]

feels like playing solo with swat ai

[marble flume]

The SWAT AI can be really helpful, assuming you know how to micromanage their bullshit behaviors

[fast mantle]

Trying to recreate to instance where my roster was a fresh slate to hire whoever I want

[winter pendant]

The OG from alpha build was super cool. A warehouse plus a complex multilevel office building with a much more cluttered parking lot between them

I honestly liked it better

[marble flume]

OG Port Hokan was great and the OG Valley of The Dolls was THE shit, although the new Hide and Seek map isn't completely terrible

[gritty coyote]

the SWAT AI is best used as terminator turrets. Don't deploy them ahead of you.

[marble flume]

If you tell them to Fall In though, I recommend using Diamond or Wedge formation or else they really aren't going to help you at all and would rather just watch you die from gunfire

[winter pendant]

I don't remember an older valley of the dolls, do you mean the old cheryessa farm or what

[lost inlet]

Yes.

[marble flume]

Thats the one, where you go through an underground tunnel network and reach the compound above

[winter pendant]

Ya ya yaaaa. It was good. Weirded out they didn't reuse that

[marble flume]

That map was a goddamn banger and its criminal its not in the game anymore

[lost inlet]

Those have MLO skin but without armor.

[marble flume]

The Hotel map was also pretty good, although I think part of it was used for that one mission where they shot at the Governor, I forget the name

[winter pendant]

The hotel map(s)

Cause we used to have multiple maps per location 🥲

[marble flume]

Yeah, some maps had five gamemodes and I loved playing Raid on Twisted Nerve

[lost inlet]

Ides of March and Wenderly Hill hotel is two different map altogether right?

Like they takes place in different buildings.

[winter pendant]

Wenderly Hills hotel became Clemente

[marble flume]

The hotel map had a lower and upper floor and the upper floor became Ides of March, I think

[lost inlet]

Noo, upper floor is for hostaging the Governor’s daughter.

[marble flume]

Sins of the Father is just a whole-ass different map I think, that wasn't part of an earlier one

[winter pendant]

I miss the bomb threat one where it was pretty obviously a ripoff of the penthouse level in swat4 with all the construction stuff everywhere.

[marble flume]

Part of why THAT level was the shit was because you had no idea the bombs were even there until your ass pulled up, and then upon discovering the bombs there was a custom music track during the countdown and you were actually given a timer of when they would blow up

Also, speaking of the music, the music in this game is great, but how the fuck do you even hear any of it

[winter pendant]

TOC, this shit just hit the fan, this place is set to blow. We don't have much time I need a sitre-YOU'RE IN MY WAY SIR

[marble flume]

Thats also the reason you don't bother with calling in a bomb squad in SWAT 4, its because you literally don't have enough time so you have to just defuse them on-site.

In Ready or Not, we already know the bombs are there long before we get there and we STILL don't bring EoD

[winter pendant]

all discussions of ron ultimately come back to wanting more swat 4

[lost inlet]

D platoon is the HRT, EOD and CounterTerrorism team.

[woeful dove]

they should add eod armor, not really for bullets but provides explosive protection

[marble flume]

I was just thinking about shotgun slugs, actually.

They're complete and utter dogshit in this game, but I'm now wondering if that's poor game design on RoN's part or if they're just being faithful to how shit slugs were in SWAT 4 lol

[woeful dove]

makes u very slow, but makes you more resistant to explosives, concussions and can use ballistic shield with

[winter pendant]

Judge must be pulling overnight shifts training these mfs to respond to everything from domestic disturbances to the iranian embassy siege

[marble flume]

I mean you really can't get much slower lmao, which is why there's no reason not to run Heavy Full Steel armor

[woeful dove]

i'll stub ur toe

[marble flume]

Its not a SWAT game anymore, although the devs are going into a weird route where we're actually sort of beyond SWAT at this point

We're basically just roleplaying as goddamn Delta Force at this point lmao

[winter pendant]

I don't think heavy armor would help you against flashbangs. It's really more the ear protection than anything

[marble flume]

I do find it kinda funny that you can just eat flashbangs with no penalty at all

[woeful dove]

I like the story, music and gameplay

[marble flume]

Speaking of the music, how you do actually activate the combat music?

I know these levels have them, but sometimes I've still got the ambient level music playing while being shot at by like half the map

[woeful dove]

step 1, get into combat

[lost inlet]

You do get penalty for it, you get slowed regardless you have anti flash goggle or not.

If you look directly at it, you get blinded.

[nimble ravine]

EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL WOOOOOO

[marble flume]

There's a slow penalty, but again, you're already slow so I don't really care about that. Not being able to see is a lot worse lol, but enemies shooting at you basically blind you completely

[winter pendant]

The regular flashbangs don't seem as disorienting to the player as 9-bangs or launcher grenades at close range

I'm not sure what the justification is

[marble flume]

I don't think 9-bangs really affect you in-game, they just hurt my eyes in real life lol

[woeful dove]

9 banger modded in 2019 OP
9 banger now in game :/

[marble flume]

tfw my swat ai fucks up a nine bang throw and i get to see heaven for three seconds

[nimble ravine]

Are 9 bangs even good

I didn’t have any luck with them

[winter pendant]

It was in the alpha, as was the MGL. They just removed it then brought it back later after other things were worked on

[lost inlet]

Back in EA, getting hit by your grenade is insanely frustrating, you’d lose control of your camera and it’d spins around uncontrollably.

[woeful dove]

bring it back

[winter pendant]

The mods just unlocked the unfinished versions

[woeful dove]

make console users suffer

[marble flume]

Back in EA the game actually made more sense and you couldn't just shoot a guy for having a gun lol

[umbral furnace]

is there any working mod that unlocks all the guns the suspects have ?

[woeful dove]

install no mercy for terroist and enjoy

[marble flume]

game already has no mercy for terrorists, unless you mean getting an S rank with full lethal

[woeful dove]

MOREEEE

[winter pendant]

They have lower effective range than regular bangs so they have to be thrown pretty precisely or confined to smaller rooms. But they have a longer effect due to the multiple bangs. They can be used for throwing at suspects at far ranges, moving targets, or trying to airburst it to create a "line" of bangs. But basically they are not as good outside of those very specific use cases

[marble flume]

As many complaints as I have with this game, the grading system really isn't one of them.

The only nitpick I have is that incapacitated suspects don't give you any extra points over just killing them, which was a SWAT 4 mechanic and I'm pretty damn sure a RoN mechanic at some point

[woeful dove]

looking in the movie folder for RoN, one of the quotes in the movie that plays for rig says "Don't twist your nerve"

[winter pendant]

It was, they removed it. I think to make it not feel random whether you got incap or kill points? E.g. to not incentivise killing/not killing/shooting to wound

[nimble ravine]

Makes sense, me and my buddy were trying to use it on greased palms and did not have much success with em

[woeful dove]

shoot everything that moves

[tacit gull]

she up twisting my nerve till i ready or not

[nimble ravine]

Fr

[winter pendant]

Stingers have even better range than regular flashes, take note

[woeful dove]

ready to nut

[nimble ravine]

I don’t like using stingers as much personally

[marble flume]

no one does lol

[winter pendant]

True

[fallen osprey]

i like eating them the pellets are tasty

[marble flume]

The mechanic in-game actually makes decent sense.

Suspects have, by default, twice as much health as you... sort of. They actually have about the same amount of health, but are incapacitated when they go below 50% HP, so if you watch your shots its really not too difficult to only wound suspects.

It does lead to some funny interactions though, like shooting the terrorist leader in Relapse with a point-blank buckshot round while he's only got a tarp on and "incapacitating" him lol

[nimble ravine]

I wish incapacitate was the same as restraining them

[winter pendant]

Then you'd be incentivized to only shoot to wound

[nimble ravine]

Would make s rank runs with lethal guns viable

[marble flume]

Doesn't need to be the same, but you used to get 5 points for a kill, 20 points for an incap and 35 for a full non-lethal arrest, and SWAT 4 worked the same way

[nimble ravine]

Wait is “SWAT 4”

[marble flume]

Ready or Not is pretty much SWAT 5

[nimble ravine]

not following

[winter pendant]

SWAT 4 was the last game in the Police Quest series. SWAT 3 and 4 essentially defined the "police shooter" genre. Ready or Not is a spiritual successor.

[marble flume]

RoN is a spiritual successor to SWAT 4 and there's a lot of similarities between both games

The main complaints people have with Ready or Not essentially boil down to most of the things that are different from SWAT 4 to this game

[winter pendant]

Because SWAT 4 just did a whole whole lot right

[marble flume]

I mean, fair play, SWAT 4 was goated as shit

[winter pendant]

It wasn't perfect but the things RON misses from SWAT 4 feel kinda boneheaded to miss

[nimble ravine]

Never heard of it somehow

[marble flume]

It still annoys me that every civilian in this game gives you so much bullshit, while in SWAT 4 most civilians were compliant from the start

The suspects and civilians in Ready or Not are a lot more predictable than the SWAT 4 versions

[winter pendant]

Queueing the "breach" command would cause the breacher to prep the tool and wait for a go. E.g. they'd plant c2 and wait, or pull out the breach gun and wait. Idk how ron never once figured that out but came up with all these extra stacking and moving options and other bs

Like in the past... Decade?

[lost inlet]

You could, by playing raid mode.

[marble flume]

You could also fullscreen the SWAT AI cameras and actually command them through said camera, it was possible to clear an entire level without entering the building

[winter pendant]

Oh yeah that too

[marble flume]

Yeah, I know Raid gave much more flexible RoE, another reason I liked playing it so much apart from the increased suspects and larger maps

[winter pendant]

Because the AI room clearing was bad but they sure as hell could actually shoot back

[lost inlet]

[marble flume]

Really the grenades aren't actually bad, but the stinger launcher is horrendous

[humble cloud]

Someone know how to pass lethal obsession genuinely hard

[lost inlet]

Why though?

[marble flume]

Lethal on Hard? Probably not that bad, there's only three suspects

[winter pendant]

Is it the traps that are getting you or the stairways or what

[humble cloud]

I always get one shotted

[marble flume]

Its pretty hard to use without just eating shit from your own launched shots

[winter pendant]

Stay back, use a lot of callouts, figure out where the suspects are, use your tools to subdue them. Do not go for upstairs entry, there's too many windows.

[marble flume]

Wear at the very least a Ballistic Mask and Heavy Ceramic, I wouldn't settle for anything less. As for less lethal, there's only three suspects so just use the M320 Flash launcher

[lost inlet]

i never have problem with it. And if you get hit by your own stinger launcher shot then you'd get hit by flash launcher as well since they have the same radius.

[gritty coyote]

which difficulty? standard or hard ?

[marble flume]

Yeah, but Flash Launcher has very little downsides thanks to the antiflash goggles

[humble cloud]

thanks u guys are the best @winter pendant @marble flume

[humble cloud]

Normal Ig

[fallen osprey]

stingers have larger radius but less morale dimishishment afaik

[gritty coyote]

watch traps. Learn to crouch + free lean. Free lean is not lean.

[lost inlet]

they don't, 40mm stinger and 40mm flash are the same.

and deals the same morale damage.

[marble flume]

so stinger is just worse in every way lol

[fallen osprey]

wait so whats the point of the 40 mil stinger then

[lost inlet]

stinger grenade has more radius than flash grenade.

by 2m.

[marble flume]

But yeah 40mm stinger is just shit then

[lost inlet]

closest you get to 40mm explosive round.

[tacit gull]

lol?

[fallen osprey]

what do you mean lol

[marble flume]

I wish I could unlock an M32 HE grenade launcher if I got S ranks on all maps on Hard

[fallen osprey]

if theres no range or morale difference its just worse than the flash cuz antiflash goggles

[lost inlet]

best we can do is a badge that you wave it around for playing a shitty game.

[marble flume]

fair lol

[tacit gull]

yes

[lost inlet]

i guess bro.

[fallen osprey]

wdym "i guess"

[lost inlet]

why are you even allowing yourself getting hit by your own launcher shot in the first place?

[fallen osprey]

theres no difference except one cant be blocked by antiflash goggles

[lost inlet]

not getting hit by it are so easy.

[marble flume]

Its a grenade that detonates on contact, you can't exactly avoid it at close range and close range is most of this game

[tacit gull]

because i'm peeking corners and shooting it point blank at the first suspect i see

[fallen osprey]

i think youre wrong

[marble flume]

there's no "i think" I have no idea what he means by "its easy to avoid"

Also, is CS Gas not shit anymore or is it still shit

[gritty coyote]

a flash is more versatile if it means you can include yourself in the radius

[tacit gull]

its better but still worse than any other grenade i feel

[lost inlet]

CS gas is still the worst.

[marble flume]

thats pretty much what I thought, although I do wonder if its got some use on maps with bad LOS angles like 23 Megabytes

[tacit gull]

it apparently works as concealment

so there's that

[marble flume]

I can damn near guarantee it doesn't lol, if this game's AI is anything to go by

[lost inlet]

then learn how to use it better, i guess. I don't really have a problem with it and i just don't like flash launcher.

[tacit gull]

ignoring the fact that teargas would be seethrough

[fallen osprey]

nonononono

[fallen osprey]

it's concealment for THEM

[fallen osprey]

i think youre wrong

[marble flume]

isn't there a difference between tear gas and CS gas?

[lost inlet]

reason?

[lost inlet]

they're the same.

[fallen osprey]

because that's my opinion that you're wrong

[marble flume]

my brother in christ, you didn't even provide a reason, you just said "git gud"

[tacit gull]

CS gas IS a tear gas

[lost inlet]

good thing i'm not a Christian lol. And yeah, pretty much.

[marble flume]

The only thing I can think of is if leaning around corners prevents grenades from actually affecting you, which sounds stupid, but that IS true in Insurgency Sandstorm, so maybe lol

[lost inlet]

the amount of people not knowing how powerful free lean is, it's staggering.

[fallen osprey]

the game doesn't ever teach it to you, though

[nimble ravine]

I dodge bullets with it

[marble flume]

I think its strong, or at least I've heard its strong, but I don't really enjoy using it much

[winter pendant]

I also have trouble with the stinger launcher. I only let the AI use it or I use it in wide open spaces like parking lots

[tacit gull]

tutorial to press alt button very hard

[lost inlet]

you straight up became invisible to the suspect if used correctly.

[marble flume]

yeah I've tried using it as a "oh shit" button for if I'm getting beamed

[lost inlet]

just like many things.

[marble flume]

ALT button? Your character doesn't even jump, I got that shit on Spacebar lol

[winter pendant]

I have thus far just kind of not done free lean on the grounds that it's some cheeky stuff

[lost inlet]

it's something you just find out that you can do while rebinding your keys.

[fallen osprey]

i remember thinking "huh free lean? interesting", tapped alt, nothing happened, and i completed the mission. then the next day i tapped alt while strafing, noticed i turned really far, and was like "oh cool"

[marble flume]

I don't mind cheesing so much if the AI also cheeses you, but it can take the enjoyment out IMO

[nimble ravine]

It works very well

saved my ass multiple times

[winter pendant]

I wish they'd just do something to make hard mode more sensible. Standard is too easy for me but hard mode is just... It's immersion breaking

[nimble ravine]

I think the LVAR is my love

[marble flume]

I've had it be hit or miss, but if there's actually some level of cover in front of you it should work

Of course, then there's the whole "ai love shooting through shit they have no right to while my 12 gauge shotgun is stopped by a transparent railing" shit

[nimble ravine]

me when I’m too close and it pushes my gun up

[winter pendant]

Mfw the flashbang launcher hits a nearby leaf and explodes in my face

[marble flume]

thats my main gripe with shotguns recently, they're tricky to use in CQB since they're long bois