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[chilly thorn]

SMGs are the best weapon type for 99% of maps

[kind moth]

CQB maps to be precise

other than that its not very efficient

[waxen tartan]

Use that shotgun that takes magazines it's pretty op

[chilly thorn]

God I love the fact that the ump45 miraciously can take people down as fast as the 7.62 rifles can

P90 can down MLO soliders in like 4 shots and comes with 50 rounds per mag T~T that things fucking madness

[kind moth]

me when ran out beanbag ammos

[waxen tartan]

Ohh I rarely use bean bag

[kind moth]

i spray suspect behind the doors

[chilly thorn]

you can't top it off with rounds

[kind moth]

dumped a mag for one suspect

pretty fun

[chilly thorn]

main problem with the mag shotgun is that you will run out of ammo faster

[waxen tartan]

Use that nade launcher and watch how easy it is @rocky plover can vouch he put me on to it lowkey

[waxen tartan]

Not really

I only ran out of ammo few times cuz i was legit just spraying like call of duty

[chilly thorn]

with a tube fed shotgun you can continously give it more and more ammo after every shot, meaning you'll never have to do a full relaod

thats why they are used more in real life as well

[kind moth]

managing ammo is my problem while using nade launcher

[waxen tartan]

True but mag shotgun is still better and reload is stick quick

[waxen tartan]

How so ?

[kind moth]

17 suspects and i need to be extra careful not to waste my flash

[waxen tartan]

Usually only takes 1 per suspect at most 3

U can get by most missions with 6-7

[chilly thorn]

I like the gas launcher since its more fun

[kind moth]

yeah, but theres a mission with so many suspects

and i usually play solo

which is pretty stressing for me

[waxen tartan]

Trust me bud i just s ranked more than half the missions with that strat makes it a cake walk

[kind moth]

i know, i use nade launcher most of the time

but greased palms is ruining my sanity

the FISA and bugged suspect on a truck

that wont surrender no matter what

[waxen tartan]

Me and my bud didn't have many problems with that but a tip since u play solo learn to arrest cancel

Especially when u need to control the area when there multiple suspects

[kind moth]

i learned that by myself. arrest cancel and grab their guns first

[waxen tartan]

And abuse the order to make them come to you or a set position

[kind moth]

so they will become completely vulnerable

[kind moth]

i know that

i gather like 5 people on a single spot

[balmy patio]

and in this game due to the slot system they are just better

[chilly thorn]

I love the slot system but I wish they expanded it a lil

[balmy patio]

we love pistols using the same amount of slots as the rest

[chilly thorn]

15 instead of 13

[balmy patio]

surely would make it worth bringing 9mm mags

[chilly thorn]

Pistols are unironically so satisfying though so its worth it

the glock 19 with jhp on port is glorious

[waxen tartan]

Well the tube fed shotguns always let me down the 590M always gets the job done for me

[chilly thorn]

for me the magfed shotguns biggest problem is the weight making it so the sights missalign and the recoil

[waxen tartan]

Wish me luck, all gods burn next

[chilly thorn]

bring a less lethal

suspects are mixed with civillians and they both act the same

always at least have one swat ai with a beanbag or such on every map honestly

can get some good saves

[waxen tartan]

Getting 1 shotted to the head with helmet and ballistic mask 😂 hilarious

[balmy patio]

then you did not get one shotted

you cant get one shot in this game if you are wearing a helmet due to damage cap

only way is friendly fire if they hit a limb with a shotgun

that just instakills you due to dismemberment

[waxen tartan]

Boom got it

[waxen tartan]

Buddy how you gon tell me what i saw and what happened were you my ai teamate ?

[balmy patio]

because the game literally has one shot protection, again only ways to get one shot are friendly fire dismemberment or grenade trap

unless your mask got broken and the UI didnt update

(in hard mode you can also die in 60ms so thats pretty fast to notice too)

[covert mural]

Good evening, sorry for the random question but i just fucking can't with this game anymore:
Is there a mod that allows you to restart the mission - on commander mode - without having to got back to PD?

[obtuse sequoia]

I’ve been one shotted multiple times in this game bro

[covert mural]

NAAAHHHhh

[crisp sphinx]

holy shit new america is pissing me off

[covert mural]

i started using this week a mod called "no crack for you", which adjusts difficulties and makes them fair. It replaces the usual 'easy, medium, hard' with 5 new ones: "low intensity", "no crack", "overdose", "blaze of glory" and "heat attack".

Overdose essentially replaces standard hard and feels like just the correct way hard mode should be

"oh, but that is cheating" once you get shot by the terminator you'll see what is cheating.

[gritty coyote]

There is intentionality to the AI aimbot. You basically have to play tactically and position yourself.

fighting them in the open is a no go. But if you free lean they do not react and you can get the drop on them.

after I figure this out I have just been doing hard solo clears

[covert mural]

oh yeah, i totaly get that, dont get me wrong. But dont assume i haven't tried and tested multiple aspects of this game the 'intented' and the 'cheesy ' way.

but there comes a point where certain aspects are in fact just unfair on hard

mainly on dlc missions

[crisp sphinx]

cough atrium cough

I even did the super secret panic room flanking and still got creamed on casual

[gritty coyote]

it depends on what you think is fair. The fact that the bots make loud noises and we can free lean to drop them, for me equalizes the playing field.

it's still a game and the AI can't make complex decisions like humans. Their aimbot just means I need to go back into cover.

[crisp sphinx]

I think whats fair is if Level 4 armor meant something at least to the MLO

to everyone else it does but not MLO

[gritty coyote]

hmm? are you saying they are under armored or over armored?

[covert mural]

this i can understand

armor is not perfect and has many gaps

[crisp sphinx]

Over armed not over armored

[covert mural]

otehrwise you would not be able to walk

i think the armor as it stands, is perfect

[gritty coyote]

still not sure what you mean about MLO and armor I drop them in 2 hits

[covert mural]

but the hability of the suspects to hit those weak spots so consisteently is an issue

[crisp sphinx]

Fair but there are moments where I think to myself "How'd that kill me? "

[gritty coyote]

oh you mean the player's armor

do we wear L4 ? I think our choices are presented differently. And it does not protect our limbs

[crisp sphinx]

Im pretty sure the heavy armor is meant to be L4 but I could be wrong

[gritty coyote]

to be fair the enemies die in 2 hits so ....

we still tank more hits than the enemies all things considered. I definitely take more than 2 hits

now if it only takes 2 hits to kill us, to make it truly equal, well that would be Hell difficulty

[crisp sphinx]

Yeah we def have an advantage but it disappears quickly especially with enemies with automatic guns dumping a full mag without miss

which ig...does go back to the aimbot issue

[covert mural]

Let me give you a situation @gritty coyote , consider a suspect that is a crackhead using a random pistol he got from god knows where. If you go in the open, 30m away from him, 100 times, with him blasting his gun with no cooldown, do you think it is fair that he will kill you all of those 100 times in less than a second?

[gritty coyote]

I consider it my fault if I am in the open and I don't peek angles to see him.

[covert mural]

that is not the issue

[gritty coyote]

if I peek and I see suspects 1st, they always die without reacting

[covert mural]

teh issue is lethality

what i mean by that

considering all teh info i gave, my man has no accuracy

he should not be able to kill you so consistently

[gritty coyote]

and to be fair, I have been caught in the open a few times. It is a deadly scenario, but from my memories I have been able to dip back into cover to collect myself quite often.

[waxen tartan]

Welp ai fuking sucks anyone wanna attempt s rank a new america with me

[gritty coyote]

s rank
sorry but nonlethal sucks if you can only use a few guns

[covert mural]

yes.

[crisp sphinx]

Ides of march kinda shows the issue of lethality perfectly cause even on casual if you get caught from behind cause a suspect decided to run out into the hallway you are 90% of the time dead, even if its not your fault cause lets say like you were breaching or even in another gun fight

[gritty coyote]

the intentional aimbot advantage of the AI forces you to approach the game like puzzle solving. I don't have great counterstrike pro aim skills like Shroud, but I finished A New America while Shroud just keeps dying.

[crisp sphinx]

The 10% is entirely reliant on your AI teammates watchinf your back

[gritty coyote]

overall completing hard solo clears made me improve my cqb skills

seeing Shroud just running into rooms and using quick lean instead of free lean, yeah I know why he keeps dying

[covert mural]

free lean is a blessing most people should learn

combine it with crouch and you got prone

[gritty coyote]

this map is the first map in the base game that taught me how to plan a safe route with copious use of wedges

like working out the peripheral rooms in a circle first

in a way it is quite similar to Neon Tomb. there is a central area but you want to work on the outside first

[covert mural]

what was idles again? been so long

[crisp sphinx]

Barisa Cove

[gritty coyote]

a hotel map with those veterans

[covert mural]

oh yee

[crisp sphinx]

the left behind shooting at the park

[gritty coyote]

precursor to Sins of the father

[covert mural]

traps and all

that is one of my favorite maps

you gotta take it slow and methodical

[gritty coyote]

slow is smooth and smooth is fast

[covert mural]

my favorite thing to do was tell Red to enter one side of an apartment and Blue on the other

[crisp sphinx]

Also dear god Narcos needs a score rebalancing HOW DID I CLEAR WITH AN A I LOST TWO OFFICERS AND SHOT LIKE HALF THE LOS LOCAS

I geniunely feel I did not deserve that A rank

[gritty coyote]

what happened to the other half

[crisp sphinx]

surrendered

[crisp sphinx]

okay atp its either I suck or my loadout sucks

[late ledge]

am i the issue or is the AI stupid? i send them in to clear a room and while im arresting a suspect they let a suspect just stand in front of me and start shooting

[gritty coyote]

teammates' AI is very stupid yes

[chilly thorn]

Thats present on all maps

you can kill all suspects and still get a B

when you should get a D

This is cuz unlike swat 4 the gun doesn't count killing a suspect as losing points

[gritty coyote]

when you shoot get a D
what

okay. Yeah B is baseline.

[chilly thorn]

It should be 1-100 system like swat 4

below 60 and you dont pass to the next mission

forcing players to actually try and take suspects alive

[gritty coyote]

yeah no that's a terrible idea

[chilly thorn]

Thats how it worked and swat 4 and it was great

[gritty coyote]

nonlethal gameplay makes you give up on 90% of the armory

[chilly thorn]

You do realize that you dont need to use a beanbag to get someone to surrender

[gritty coyote]

there are like only 3 usable options

[chilly thorn]

literally every utility item in this game is to take people in alive

Hell I S ranked the entire game without even using a less lethal primary since the gas is just better

[gritty coyote]

sounds terribly boring to me

you have a gun and you can't use it

[chilly thorn]

I mean thats kinda the point of the game

you only shoot when you absolutely have too

[gritty coyote]

well no, different players have different priorities

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but thats the main design philosophy

Its based on Swat 4

its not even based on swat 4 its pratically a direct sequal

[gritty coyote]

when the SWAT team is sent in to deal with the terrorists at the Neon Tomb, it sounds fantasist to me to keep them alive

yeah sometimes and some people just play the game to shoot

[chilly thorn]

This game isn't really meant to be realistic with its depiction of swat

If it was there would be 30 swat members on methhouse and everyone would step out and surrender

[gritty coyote]

I never argued for realism. I argue for fun. Nonlethal is just boring.

Good thing the game facilitates both lethal and nonlethal players

[chilly thorn]

I didn't say to play nonlethally I just said that killing everyone shouldn't be allowed

Yknow there is a middleground between the two

[gritty coyote]

except it is allowed. I kill every suspect.

[chilly thorn]

Yeah and you should get a shitty rank for that

[gritty coyote]

nah I get a B rank. I don't know why you even care.

[chilly thorn]

Yeah and thats the problem T~T

You put in like the bare minimum effort and still get a decent rank

[gritty coyote]

There is no problem. You play your own boring game. I play mine.

[chilly thorn]

I dont get whats the problem with the game encouraging the playstyle its designed around

[gritty coyote]

you are here arguing that only your preference should be honored

when it shouldn't impact you at all how others enjoy the game differently

[chilly thorn]

Thats not what Im saying at all

[gritty coyote]

you are saying people who don't play like you should get a lower rank and not be able to progress (in commander mode etc.)

[chilly thorn]

im saying the game should make it so that your choices have more impact

Play bad = Bad Rank I dont see how thats so crazy

[hollow nova]

why is big shell specialist harder than the heat is on for me

[chilly thorn]

because its rng <//3

[gritty coyote]

and I don't see how it is any of your business. Do you care how other people eat ?

if you want to play your style, play yours. Let others play their style.

[chilly thorn]

Oh my god bro im not saying dont play like that if you want to im saying the game shouldn't reward it since its not what they are going for

They are trying to do a strict slow methodical game but its incredibly easy to just drop that and run and gun and shoot everything and as long as you survive the game doesn't care

Especially in a campaign mode their should be fail states

[gritty coyote]

B is already okay. It is required to unlock progress on certain things.

you are just asking to punish people who play a different style

try living more open-mindedly. How they play does not affect you. This is a freaking single-player game

[chilly thorn]

Im saying the game is too easy thats literally all im saying this isn't a playstyle thing

This is like saying resident evil 4 should reward you for not engaging in saving ammo and not taking damage

[gritty coyote]

you already know nonlethal gives you S rank right ?

[chilly thorn]

Yeah what does that have to do with it

You talk like the only options are kill everyone and S rank

[gritty coyote]

that there are unlockables and achivements only possible with S rank?

[crisp sphinx]

Okay seriously is like

steel heavy armor shit or am I shit I cant tell anymore

[gritty coyote]

you're wasting time and effort trying to argue people who don't like your playstyle should get D instead of B

[chilly thorn]

Do you think a game should reward you for playing bad

[gritty coyote]

nah, thinking lethal = playing bad is your own delusion

[chilly thorn]

im not argueing against lethal im arguing against shooting everyone

[gritty coyote]

literally just load up your team with all rotary bang launchers and just S rank A New America

and that's boring af

[chilly thorn]

again

You do realize that there is a middle ground between killing everyone and S ranking right?

You talk like there are only two possible ways to play the game

[gritty coyote]

nonlethal is both easy and boring with the rotary bang launchers

[chilly thorn]

I agree

thats why I go for A+'s

But I dont think this game should reward you if you ignore half of the game mechanics and do a bunch of unnecessary killing

Again resident evil doesn't reward you if you ignore all the resource managment

[gritty coyote]

except using rotary bang ignores 90% of the armory, all the fighting skills and quickdraws, and still net you S rank

[chilly thorn]

Yes the rotary is stupid and needs a hard nerf I agree

[gritty coyote]

anyway the game already penalizes you with the B rank

you're arguing for something that is already there

[woeful dove]

who pinged me in clips

[chilly thorn]

B is a good grade

You shouldn't get a good grade for playing bad

[gritty coyote]

you think it's good.

it's just average grade.

[chilly thorn]

You get all the unlocks for it

[gritty coyote]

A is good. A+ is better. S is best

[chilly thorn]

S is more of a challenge run then an actual grade

its like a P rank in ultrakill you have to go out of your way for it

instead of just playing normally

[crisp sphinx]

Thanks for the idea lol

I just want this mission over with

[gritty coyote]

[chilly thorn]

do not give the ai the rotary they have zero clue how to use that shit lol

they will just shake your screen

[crisp sphinx]

I am so sick of hearing "WE HAVE LOST CONTACT WITH TOC"

[gritty coyote]

there is a mod that removes the radio chatter

my ears are blissfully silent

[chilly thorn]

idk its kinda cool

I like the extra detail of being able to hear the MLO finish them with 3 extra shots at the end

[gritty coyote]

it stopped being cool after repeated playthroughs

same reason you can skip cutscenes in resident evil

[chilly thorn]

I guess I could see it being annoying

[gritty coyote]

except these dialogs can't be skipped

[chilly thorn]

but I onlyplayed the map like 4 times

but it doesn't like take you out of gameplay or anything tho

[chilly thorn]

I do love a new america and think it does a lot right

its just the loads times are really bad for it on pc

so I just beat it a couple of times and called it replayed the bank the most

[crisp sphinx]

WHAT

WHAT WHAT I ARRESTED FLOWERMAN AND IT STILL FAILED THE MISSION AFTER THE JAMMER STOPPED WORKING

[chilly thorn]

you gotta disable his vest

but... you should return to the station after failing

[crisp sphinx]

He has no vest

[chilly thorn]

he has a little device like the bombers on club, It works as a deadmans switch and time based activator.

[crisp sphinx]

The game said I apphrended and disable the triggerman

[chilly thorn]

did you click the switch on the floor?

[crisp sphinx]

no

I had to look it up I HAVE TO CROUCH DOWN and thats disabling the trigger not just arresting him

but then why tf say I did that

[chilly thorn]

idk

[crisp sphinx]

bruh I looked it up its not even a glitch the objective is just written like that

[hallow flower]

guys i have a question, how do you play mirage at sea hard level?
enemy kill civil too fast. like its almost impossible. is there any strat?

[fallen osprey]

arrest sahid really really quick

spawn aft deck go upper Deck push until you find him (if you don't find him might as well restart)

[hallow flower]

then next question, where is sahid, he is random right? or just gacha spawn when sahid spawn close you can win the game, sahid spawn far restart?

[chilly thorn]

The suspects wont start killing civillians as long as the man in all white with the traditional arabic clothing is killed or arrested, So rush to him he usually spawns on the middle floor in one of the rooms) and then arrest him, then play as normally from there.

[hallow flower]

ah i see, ok thanks, so its luck based where sahid spawn

[chilly thorn]

he only seems to spawn on the middle two floors near one of the spawnpoints

but he can run off somewhere if you alert him

[hallow flower]

i see, noted thanks for the guidance

[fallen osprey]

best of luck!

[hallow flower]

[chilly thorn]

also there are two different suspect types, the one in hawaiian shirts have little to no armor while the ones in the vests have heavy armor

[fallen osprey]

alleviate this by bringing a shotgun and shooting their arms off

also means you dont have to restrain them

[hallow flower]

tired of choosing wether you should ap or jhp? solution, just use shotgun, all in buckshot. in all map always shotgun

[fallen osprey]

gas station guy with tec 9? buckshot. heavily armed terrorist? buckshot. civvie with bomb vest? buckshot (from a distance).

[chilly thorn]

Their armor will eat shotguns like crazy, I'd recommend just a standard rifle or just avoiding their armor with the shotgun.

or switch to slugs cuz buckshot kinda gets destroyed by armor

[fallen osprey]

when flechette frfr

[obsidian hornet]

Can someone show me the mission briefing for ANA? It's not on the wiki (I'm trying to make a bot)

[hallow flower]

oh new info to me. maybe i killed them easily because the small spread goes through either of their limb and hand, causing 1 shot

[chrome vault]

Is "My Eyes, It Burns!" bugged??

[chilly thorn]

yes

[crisp sphinx]

I finally did it and uh

HOW IS THIS A GOOD ENDING?!

[obsidian hornet]

Nvm I just reached the level and got it myself

[gritty coyote]

this is actually not true. On hard I beelined from helipad without killing anybody, and arrested Sah'id right away, and would you know it, his henchmen still executed some hostages

if I have to guess, the prince gives a global kill command that can trigger randomly during your interaction with him

[gritty coyote]

I think I have found a place where shotguns don't really fit my preference. The clowns in No Good Deed run sideways so fast that shotguns can miss them. with rifles in canted aim I can spray horizontally and catch them

the art of horizontal spray

[rare jay]

anyway to fix the bug where civs are stuck in a leaving hiding area animation? finally beat the farm on hard now theres some dumb ai stuck coming out from under a bench in an infinite animation

has this been a bug since 2022 smh

[gritty coyote]

ngl I have never seen that in 90 hours of play

[rare jay]

Strange, that's twice I've seen it now in the past 2 days, really annoying 😂

[gritty coyote]

I would punch them or flashbang to see if it fixes it

[gritty coyote]

good ending has more hidden lore
bad ending has a nice cutscene

[split kelp]

they deleted my feedback post that had some criticism And Never Talked About What Was Wrong?

[gritty coyote]

?

[late prism]

I've seen this happen once on ends of the earth when I was trying to S rank. Really annoyed me, couldn't figure out how to get them out so I just put a beanbag into their head and restarted.

[wide scaffold]

Are there soft objectives in the dorms cuz ts is annoying

Like dear lord i've sweeped this place 10 times and didn't find anything

[rare jay]

Yeah I had it happen on the farm map while I was trying to beat it on hardmode, took me 30+ attempts finally done it, then they bugged out 😂

[late prism]

Ohhh grapes of the vine? Yeah that's a really annoying map by itself before that stuff happens.

[rocky plover]

Just one, the drugs on the second floor, in the weird looking room with all the candles

[wide scaffold]

Ok thank you

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[wide scaffold]

Can't find them for the life of me

I looked up a photo found the exact location it's not there

Finally i found them

[lyric gazelle]

Hi, Deluxe Edition or Standard edition?

[rocky plover]

Yea it's a bit weird because gotta get really close to it for the prompt to pop up

[hard jacinth]

[gritty coyote]

this is why I use full auto on hard
completely oh shit situations screen shakes like crazy
#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

you can indeed outgun the aimbot AI even on hard

[quasi coral]

Instead of your screen blurring it should be a squiting black void from the corners of the screen

I know if I were being shot I'd squint my eyes a little

[wide scaffold]

Thanks void for making a 90% chance every second for resigned suspect to stand up and one tap me

But ONLY when therre are 2 more suspects in the 10m range

[hasty hull]

Keep your gun on them

[wide scaffold]

Im doing a no lethal run i can't keep my gun on them

Plus they stand up 2 at once

[hasty hull]

Yea you can

Unless you’re solo

[wide scaffold]

Like solo without AI or without multi

[hasty hull]

Without AI

[wide scaffold]

No not without ai

The AI just doesn't want to tie them down

[hasty hull]

Order the AI to arrest them and aim at them

[wide scaffold]

I command to restrain they stand there and watch

[covert shoal]

are you using pepperguns and beanbags?

[hasty hull]

Oh understandable

[wide scaffold]

Flashes and beanbag for myself

[hasty hull]

Throw on a gas mask and hot box the room until they are all restrained

[sacred kindle]

you can’t shoot the traps to disable them anymore?

[wide scaffold]

Im playing narcos there is no room vro

[hasty hull]

Pain

[sacred kindle]

i dumped like 3 mags on a single trap to no avail

[covert shoal]

just wire cut it

[hasty hull]

Bro dumped a whole mag and said “nah let’s try 2 more”

[sacred kindle]

there was a dude holding a mean ass angle and yelling at me and the door was wood i would’ve gotten popped

[sacred kindle]

after the first 3 bullets landed i just wanted to see if i could do it at all

[hasty hull]

Were you going non lethal?

[sacred kindle]

nah

[covert shoal]

just wallbang the dude and hes gone

its wood anyway

if he can shoot you through the door shoot him through the door

[wide scaffold]

A suspect just slimed my officer with a pistol and nun else while he stood there watching

[sacred kindle]

they know where you are the second that you make a noise i can’t say the same for him

[wide scaffold]

From 50m btw

[hasty hull]

Unlucky

This why I play in empty lobbies

[covert shoal]

yes an armed shooter just shot my colleague, ill stay here and let myself die too! 🤓

[wide scaffold]

I should lowk just do solo ts is annoying

[covert shoal]

shouldve gotten a suppress

ok im dumb

suppressors are still loud

[sacred kindle]

i had one

[wide scaffold]

Narcos is suprisingly more annoying than hide and seek or even valley of dolls

Oh yeah i forgot it's hardmode so it's the most annoying thing ever

And i just accidentally killed asuspect so it's fucking over

[covert shoal]

dont beanbag suspects 2 times in point blank range in the head

i tried that and he died

[wide scaffold]

No it was like 20 meters and i got a clean headshot

With a fucking shotgun

[hasty hull]

Narcos is the map I have the most trouble on as well, even ANA was forgiving to me compared to Narcos

[wide scaffold]

Yeah well ex trained millitary soldiers are surely less dangerous than some random crackheads good job void

[hasty hull]

Well it’s more of the unlimited angles and setting than the skills of the thugs alone

[covert shoal]

ex army know better than meth crackheads who charge at 7 dudes with carbines

[wide scaffold]

If you have a better positioning but poor aim you're going to die if you have good aim but poor positioning you're going to die

[hasty hull]

Not entirely

[wide scaffold]

Why not

[hasty hull]

Especially with full auto weapons they just have to fire in your general area

[wide scaffold]

True..

[covert shoal]

i saw a short of someone explaining that you shouldnt go full auto in cqb

[hasty hull]

Only time bad positioning is out classed by sheer skill by aiming is if it’s over 400m away

Maybe even 250-300m

[covert shoal]

youre gonna lose ammo fast and the recoil will make sure that only two bullets hit your target

[wide scaffold]

Good thing random thugs that are higher than the clouds have both good positioning and aim!

[hasty hull]

But no matter how shit someone is if you are in the same room and they have the drop on you you’re going to die even if you’re John wick levels of precision

That is true they do have good aim

[wide scaffold]

They're not even trying to aim they just freeball that shi

[hasty hull]

But also it’s not hard to shoot a gun

[wide scaffold]

And still hit all the shots

[hasty hull]

Kids do it

[reef path]

Yo so how are public servers really? All I see is people commiting a genocide, is it better to try and find a private server?

[wide scaffold]

Well it is hard to shoot a gun and kill a trained swat officer in 2 shots

[hasty hull]

It’s better to find people who are like minded in your gameplay style who are in agreement of how they are going to tackle a mission before starting a match

[wide scaffold]

RON players vs not commiting war crimes

[hasty hull]

Not at all, especially with the calibers they use

[covert shoal]

how do ultranationalists have like delta force aim and seal team 6 accuracy in a new america

[wide scaffold]

Irl that happens once in a red moon

[covert shoal]

and .50 bmg on a 1911

[hasty hull]

It’s not hard to aim a gun

[wide scaffold]

I wish i lived in us so i could know if it is hard but i don't

[hasty hull]

Yea but this is a failing nation state where violence is just normal everyday occurrence. Like they are toppling several skyscrapers

In game wise I mean

[covert shoal]

reminds me of something

the last sentence

[hasty hull]

Is my note related

Or status I mean

[wide scaffold]

I mean the suspects ingame are still unrealistic

[hasty hull]

The game isn’t very realistic to begin with lwk

It takes a lot of liberties for the sake of gameplay

[wide scaffold]

It's fps first realism 2nd but it is more realistic than any of the fps

[covert shoal]

check this out

[hasty hull]

It’s definitely a gateway game to milsim games

[covert shoal]

nevermind

i cant forward

[hasty hull]

But I played Arma 3, Day Z and Squad before I picked up this game so it’s very simple from my POV

[covert shoal]

you should try operator

[reef path]

Any tips for S ranking the port map? I find it difficult since its very open and there is a lot of things the suspects can take cover behind

[wide scaffold]

Any games that are more realistic than RON gotta be the most boring shi ever

[covert shoal]

get a carbine peppergun since youre typically long range

so you can reach and neutralize hostiles from far

[wide scaffold]

Oh my goodness the urge to get a mcx and slime everyone out

[hasty hull]

Take a flash launcher for long range areas. 9 bangs for close and a shield to close the gap. Also take the pepperball pistol. If you make it to the tower bait the suspects to it to subdue as much as possible then head to the audition portion with the flash launcher and prefire.

[wide scaffold]

Yep my officer just got slimed

This game is trash

[hasty hull]

Lmao

Maybe you’re a bad commander

[wide scaffold]

No the officer just decided to walk in infront of an open door with an armed suspect staring at him

[distant rose]

Did the officer have any orders?

[wide scaffold]

Fall in

Aight i'm going full lethal

[rare jay]

Yeah literally, I managed to get it after like 20/30 more attempts, onto relapse now and I think it might be worse

[balmy patio]

use flash nade launcher as always and spam flashes to supress the suspects on the left side while you go through the right side of the map into the alleyway leading to the main building

this is because you want to clear the first part of the map and rush the right since it has the most cover from outside so that you can get into the main building without too much gunfire

then you can clear main building and work to the left from there as theres alot more cover so that you can get closer for your shouts to work

[wide scaffold]

Yooo A full lethal on narcos

[lost inlet]

this is the first thing that i saw when looking into here and i already wanted to explode.

[weary forum]

yo, i got the uncensored or not on mod.io and did a next mission in campaign, it said at the end unofficial score B but it counts in campaign and i got the things you get from achieving B on it and the next mission. Im just wondering how does this really work and do i have to redo the mission

[lost inlet]

unofficial score means nothing.

[weary forum]

so i can play all the missions with that mod on

[lost inlet]

ye.

[weary forum]

Thanks. And can i get S? I just read somwhere you just cant get s to count and unlock customization

[lost inlet]

you can still get S rank and unlock cosmetics with the help of mod.

[weary forum]

thank you

[dim idol]

Yo can some1 help me with valley of the dolls on S rank

[dusk ravine]

Hallo, is it just me or the Mod screen seems to show only a few mods?

[wheat gate]

I dunno bro

[hasty hull]

Peak right?

[hasty hull]

That’s it, to get more you have to get mods from nexus or whatever but everyone that uses them ends up having game issues so I don’t mess with mods in general

[dusk ravine]

I see.. is there a reason as to why this happens?

[hasty hull]

Mods can break games if they aren’t updated regularly and since mods are made for free for the most part you can’t really rely on them to be on top of that to prevent that from happening

[dusk ravine]

I see. Thank you.

[warm talon]

What country are you because I'm in the UK and if I play on anyone outside uk, I get 1000 ping.

[dim idol]

Kazakhstan 🫣

[hasty hull]

I thought that was a pokemon

Nvm I’m thinking of Kangaskhan

[dusk ravine]

VOTD is fairly easy so far as you have a bunch of the new flashbangs lol

Standard or hard, try to equip a good bit of your people with shields, and the rest is up to you.

[dim idol]

lol

[dim idol]

the problem is ai in this game is unpredictable and always when there's only a few guys left they my squad arent cuffing em and they kill me

[dusk ravine]

🤷‍♂️

[dim idol]

or when im cuffing the dude in other room opens the door and giving me headshot 😭

[solemn patio]

YES I S RANKED IDES OF MARCHN

[lost inlet]

far just solely because of pepperball pistol.

[distant rose]

give yourself and every ai M32A1 with the tactical flash launcher, and use all equipment slots for ammo for primary

[floral peak]

Now, do it on hard

[hasty hull]

Best weapon

[solemn patio]

The fucks hard? There is no hard mode in ba sing se.

[waxen tartan]

@patent edge #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

bro i get it that mission is hard

[floral peak]

in what

[waxen tartan]

Still need help ?

[solemn patio]

Yknow, there is no war in ba sing se

[floral peak]

the what

Wdym ba sing se

[zinc lantern]

Bro doesn’t know about ba sing se (and how they don’t have a war going on)

[wide scaffold]

Holy shit mk-v is STRONG

[gritty coyote]

Team AI is just trash. It does have aimbotting, but only if it decides to react (which it doesn't a lot of the times)

[wide scaffold]

I have bettter aim than them 😭

[gritty coyote]

Team ai used to be more reliable. They used to be able to flash rooms instead of feet

[foggy dune]

yo why cant i click the mods button in the main menu i cant even click anything

[gritty coyote]

The game currently has broken team ai

[mystic palm]

I told them to throw a stinger in a door to stun an MLO suspect instead they throw at me and stun and mlo came and killed me

[waxen tartan]

Damn that’s tuff😂

[mystic palm]

Sometimes i think god hates me

[gritty coyote]

Unfortunately team ai is too esoteric for mods to fix. Mods only change their reaction time and vision etc. I don't know if any has fixed the self-bombing tendencies

[tacit gull]

sdk required for swat ai to not shoot hostages

clearly

[gritty coyote]

Team AI is just so hilariously bad I can't defend it. Newtimers will see it front and center

Just be able to throw a flash damn it. Remove collision for AI flashbang if the dev is too incompetent to figure out trajectory

[remote seal]

open and clear
ai not open and clearing

[lost inlet]

funny thing is dev removed swat bot's grenade cheat in the game of realism which is what even allowing swat bots capable of teleporting the grenade into the room.

[tacit gull]

this doesnt really fix anything because of how grenades work anyway, the bots need to cheat and just have better flashbangs for it to be even remotely useful

[warm talon]

Yeah. Had to give them a order to fall in behind me and reset them for them to actually do that which added 45 seconds which is not to bad but when your going for under 10 minutes for thank you come again.

[remote seal]

also search and secure does literally nothing for some reason

[tacit gull]

It only works if you found the thing in the first place

swat will check some corners but only ones they're programmed to and if the target isnt there tough shit

[remote seal]

then where's the search part? that's right, there never was one

[tacit gull]

i just said they do search

[remote seal]

it was a joke
yeah but most of the time searching does nothing

[tacit gull]

i've always had it be very useful

it doesnt work only if there's some civ in some corner you havent found

but they will pick up weapons and arrest any surrenders

[remote seal]

oh right, doing that actually tells them to start arresting

[tacit gull]

they do arrest on their own, still more than they should but atleast its not as bad as it used t obe

[gritty coyote]

Search and secure works half the time

The other half they miss the last evidence

And I chase map for 20 min before giving up

[wide scaffold]

25 minutes i finally cleared lawmake on hardmode with B score

2 of my guys died and the other 2 are in crisis

Boys had a blast this mission🥹

[remote seal]

same, but the map with trapped doors on a coin toss
I died from my teammate not letting me move to cover twice

[wide scaffold]

You weren't ready...

[rough flume]

Yeah run through a room to Arrest someone and get Shoot because someone camped in a corner

[tacit gull]

you have no idea just how bad it used to be

[north hamlet]

What’s with getting stuck in menus in multiplayer? If I die and edit loadout I can’t return to watching the team

[gritty coyote]

This map was my first hard mode clear

Ironically because I didn't notice the difficulty setting and thought I was on Standard

Then I realized hard isn't so bad

[wide scaffold]

It's still esier than hide and seek tho

[gritty coyote]

HaS is mostly just annoyingly big to walk through

[distant rose]

nah hide and seek S rank is surprisingly not that bad

Relapse is way harder imo

[gritty coyote]

Relapse timer is very very annoying

And the idiot we need to arrest, I always kill, so there is that

[zinc lantern]

I’ve never had the bombs go off on relapse in all of my runs on the map

[foggy knot]

Anyone else getting worse performance and increased stutters with the newest nvidia driver?

Updated today, nothing else changed and noticed worse performance, increased stutters

[gritty coyote]

Good idea for me to delay the update then

[warm talon]

is that the mansion one?

[wide scaffold]

Indeed it is

[warm talon]

Ah I see. Ngl I've not touched the home invasion dlc since I s ranked it. Only mission I know in that dlc is narcos because of how annoying it is to clear.

[foggy knot]

Trying to rollback now to see if it makes a difference

[sweet fractal]

bout to do ANA in public lobby..

[sweet fractal]

[warm talon]

What's Ur tag because I've just joined a public lobby and it's on ana

[sweet fractal]

Loma_14

is 6/6 players normal?

[warm talon]

No it's should be 5/5

Unless the game is counting you as the host and a player

[warm talon]

Nvm. I am not.

[sweet fractal]

dam 😭

i was not ready

ANA on hard is fucking aids

[warm talon]

I'm

Ik

[wide scaffold]

ANA is not alat lemme try it

I didn't beat the previous 2 boiling point dlcs so there will be no crashout

Not dlcs

Missions, i'm a dumbass

[warm talon]

The easiest one was either the port or the bank.

[distant rose]

for S ranking ANA, would Beanbags or Flash Launchers be better?

[late tartan]

beanbag

[foggy knot]

Seems im still getting the stuttering even after rolling back drivers.

Even though i literally did nothing to my settings at all

[distant rose]

aight ok thnx

[floral peak]

Generally speaking, launcher is much more forgiving and really easy to use and very effective

The only problem is ammo

If you are solo - duo you will have troubles with ammo

[gritty coyote]

you focus on getting to the 4th floor ammo box. the rest can be cleared later

use the Rotary bang launcher not normal launcher

do not activate it before the final room on 4th floor with flower man

clear everything else except that room. go back to 3rd floor to activate it, then go back up to flashbang flower man

it does not activate

you unlock the objective. you need to manually interact to activate

[glass heart]

you have to manually activate it for the timer to start

clear everything except for the court room and then press it

[gritty coyote]

the dialog is for unlocking the objective. it remains unactivated

go watch youtube walkthrough

[distant rose]

it only activates when you interact with it

[woeful dove]

What level is the song degrees of violence used

[rocky plover]

Not in one of the missions afaik

Used to be during the old loading screen

[vivid widget]

you guys play on dx11 or dx12?

[chilly thorn]

Dx11

but it really depends on your system

[vivid widget]

11900k and 3060, terribly imbalanced but it's what i have so far

[chilly thorn]

I have a 1660super lol

stillcranking 100 fps tho...

DX11 is better on most systems from what I've heard

[vivid widget]

damn i'm barely able to scrape by 60 sometimes

even with dlss

[chilly thorn]

Game oddly runs better in full screen and that flashlight bouncelight setting puts in a major performance dent for some reason

but this games performance is overall good but very weird, Many maps run worse then others (Rig)

[gritty coyote]

it runs much better than stalker 2 that's for sure

[tacit gull]

It's also a quarter of the scope

[tribal island]

what gear should i give the ai for ironman run

[chilly thorn]

stalker 2 actually might be the worst optimized game of all time lol

It sucks cuz the game looks really good

[rocky plover]

Definitely heavy armor full coverage steel

[chilly thorn]

Light Ceramic, The swat ai already have absurd amounts of health, So more slots are better.

[rocky plover]

Ai don't need the slots anyways they have infinite ammo with 1 mag

[sullen lily]

no launcher

where is flash launcher

[tacit gull]

yeah the extra equipment on the swat doesnt do shit since they're incapable of using it

[rocky plover]

On my old hardware I used dx11 but on my new hardware I use dx12

[tacit gull]

and ceramic is just worse

[rocky plover]

Exactly ^

[tribal island]

so heavy ceramic, riot shields? balistic mask ?

[tacit gull]

not riot shields cause they will just kill themselves holstering and unholstering it over and over

[supple scaffold]

Guys how do I unlock the kick trait for my officers? I want the achievement

[tacit gull]

well actually nevermind since you shouldnt order them around anyway

[supple scaffold]

Is there any specific officer I need to hire?

[tacit gull]

you need to play 🤮 commander

[tribal island]

yeah i just dont need them dying by getting shot in the back

[tacit gull]

and find an officer with the kicker trait

[supple scaffold]

I like commander mode

[woeful dove]

Its a good song tho

[supple scaffold]

Idk which officer I need tho

[sullen lily]

does 2 pacifers guarantee a surrender

[rocky plover]

For best protection steel

[sullen lily]

with non-lethal

[chilly thorn]

just tell them to

Deploy Wedge

[supple scaffold]

The traits stacks???

[chilly thorn]

Deploy Flashbang

[rocky plover]

Most of them yes

[sullen lily]

do three armorers stack

[rocky plover]

Armorer doesn't stack

[sullen lily]

2?

[rocky plover]

No just 1 for armorer

[sullen lily]

ok

[queen jay]

Do you hate it when the ai shoots the flash grenade launcher at you while your breaching a room then you get absolutey shredded by the rpd behind the door

[rocky plover]

For the ones that stack up to 4x it's still advised to take 2 though because 3 and 4 feel like a waste due to how it's calculated

An example is 25%/50%/55%/60%

[supple scaffold]

So... Which officer do I need for the kick trait

[queen jay]

Kicker

[supple scaffold]

Dayum

[tacit gull]

I dont use wedges and they will absolutely fail to throw that flashbang

unless they walk over to the spot i tell them to throw it in which is something they might do

[chilly thorn]

they do it fine for me

Also why dont you use wedges

Loser...

[sullen lily]

guys what ended your guys ironman mode runs

on standard mode

[chilly thorn]

I did it back in 1.0

so it was pretty easy since there was no hard mode

[sullen lily]

what about now

[chilly thorn]

I haven't done ironman recently but If I was playing hard I'd probably die from a headshot

at some point

[sullen lily]

i wanna get the devs broken watch

I think I can run Battle rifle or shotgun

the hardest mission will be

greased, buy cheap, and hide and seek. and also everything past carriers of the vine

[balmy patio]

Realistically the run ender for the dev watch would be relapse

[tacit gull]

lmao alright

[balmy patio]

Port hikan atleast has long sightlines you can abuse to decrease the chance of the AI to use the hard mode firerate buff by forcing them into the long ranged programmed tap fires

Also less chance to get headshotted

[chilly thorn]

Port Hokan AI is really weak and can't aim for shit

I mean it is a dark stormy night so I guess it makes sense

[balmy patio]

Bssically, although it is one of the most painful maps to S rank on hard mode due to the long sightlines

Makes beanbag drop off so you have to rush right side with flashes to get to the main building where it is more CQC

Good thing is that the suspects are mainly unarmored and use low calibers so u should be fine taking a bit of punishment

[chilly thorn]

Pepperballs are long range

and stingers are really good on that map

[balmy patio]

Yeah they can be used on standard

Although i was mainly talking bout hard mode

Stingers are pretty nice too

[chilly thorn]

Ah

Hardmode is kinda stupid but I don't think it affects pepperballs

[sullen lily]

y

[rocky plover]

It does, needs 6 shots instead of 4 on a suspect

[chilly thorn]

its 3 in standard not 4

also thats like really stupid

[rocky plover]

3 is for the gas cloud

For actual stun it's 4

On standard

[chilly thorn]

Ah

I mean the cloud stuns them so you can see what I meant

[rocky plover]

Yeah true

It's just if they manage to get away from the gas cloud

[chilly thorn]

I find pepperballs pretty fun tbh idk

theirs something about them thats really satisfying

[rocky plover]

The actual stun from the pepperball hit would need to stop them instead of the gas cloud

They can be spammed very quick almost like its full auto lol, but I find beanbag more consistent for guaranteed stuns

[balmy patio]

3 balls on standard and double on hard mode

Most stupid change ever

Literally unusable because the suspect reaction time is so high you literally can't hit all 6 pepperballs before they get a few shots off on you

Even with an auto clicker for max firerate

Then they proceed to add the pepperball pistol with 7 rounds

U legit need a whole mag for one suspect

[rocky plover]

At least they buffed the stun per second a bit, with the gas NERF is was atrocious

[rocky plover]

It's actually 6 lol

[balmy patio]

Yea i forgot, literally cant miss a single of em

[rocky plover]

Yeah

Not to mention ammo economy wise it's very bad

1 slot for 6 shots like wtf

[balmy patio]

If they revert the change to pepperballs it would still be worse than the beanbag on most maps but it would still serve its purpose on long range maps for non lethal

[rocky plover]

Yeah true

[balmy patio]

And u could maybe use shield with the pepperball pistol

[dusty ravine]

I wish you could take like 2 pistol mag slots for every one primary mag slots or something

[rocky plover]

Yea

[balmy patio]

Big IF

Cuz u can just take shield with taser

[dusty ravine]

Running more than one pistol mag always feels like a waste of space for me

[balmy patio]

Literally the easiest and most effective change

[dusty ravine]

Wouldn't even be broken in the slightest

[balmy patio]

Hell no, the only pistols that can even compete with primaries are very few

[rocky plover]

At least make the pepperball pistol 1 slot gives around 3 mags or something

Not just 1 mag

[balmy patio]

Mainly the G18C with its stupid firerate and lighting fast recenter on semi auto, 5/7 doing 5/7 stuff and well

MKV being absurd

[rocky plover]

Kinda like how with 1 slot taser you get 3 cartridges of 6 shots total

[balmy patio]

Some people still dont know how godly the taser is even post nerf

[dusty ravine]

G-18c would be my go to were it not for the reload glitch

[dusty ravine]

In CQB taser is amazing

[balmy patio]

U can just use up one slot on the taser for 6 shots and still get a good rating going rambo style if you just arrest a few with it

[rocky plover]

Yea it's still good, even though range was nerfed by half, I always have 1 slot in every loadout

[balmy patio]

It basically beats out everything in CQC door breaches where the angles are iffy

Very small gun and instant strong stun that almost guarantees a surrender

[woeful dove]

gas station perp vs 308 to the head

FMJ at that

[balmy patio]

Honestly those guys deserve it on hard mode

Dont know what drugs they be taking to be doing allat on a gas station

[woeful dove]

is the vanilla AI smart (without cheating)

do they know to flank and shit? or just go headfirst and shoot

[dusty ravine]

The vanilla AI is pretty dumb

[woeful dove]

but a dumbass with cheats 9/10 times can beat a pro tho

[dusty ravine]

They just follow you around unless you order them to do something

[woeful dove]

this ai mod I got is good, but it's frusturating to play solo

[dusty ravine]

Their aim is ok

I've also got limited experience with them so I prob shouldn't be talking

[woeful dove]

im talking about the enemy

[dusty ravine]

ooooh the enemy AI

[balmy patio]

Enemy AI doesnt really cheat its just that they are superhuman, like they don't know where you are at all times but if they hear your steps for even a bit then they will know and go into their alert state

How they cheat is well the aimbot and tracking for a few seconds after seeing one of your bones

[dusty ravine]

On standard their aim isnt all that but they can shoot you from ungodly angles since at a certain distance they'll know exactly where you are sometimes

[balmy patio]

If they see a pixel of your bone selection they will shoot regardless of how small or short that pixel was visible for

Snd obviously they don't get aimpunched either

Only shotguns mainly have a good chance to stagger them

And realistically 9 out of 10 they die to a shotgun blast so ur not gonna see that often

[dusty ravine]

I've found rifle rounds stagger them sometimes

[balmy patio]

Yeah battle rifles too

Its just that its rare without them dying or getting incapped

[dusty ravine]

I think the assault rifles are supposed to but I use those on full auto so I never get the chance to see it

[balmy patio]

Since in standard most battle rifles can instakill to chest unarmored

[balmy patio]

Exactly they either die or get incapped before you see it in most scenarios in this game

Since AI dont get aimpunched or get scared when getting shot at

[feral obsidian]

you should mainly aim for stomach and pelvis area with the battle rifles if you dont want to kill people

[balmy patio]

So its either dont shoot or just blast them

[balmy patio]

Go for limbs with hollow points on smgs for the best results yeah

[dusty ravine]

The only time it's been useful is when my buddy was running slugs and the enemy had l4 armor, so he just shot some dude 4 times in the chest consecutively after he kept getting staggered

[balmy patio]

If u truly want the most lethality shotguns are just the best without a doubt

Due to dismemberment

[feral obsidian]

if you dismember them at all they're dead

[balmy patio]

Even if only a single pellet hits a limb it stil has quite a high chance for dismemberment

[chilly thorn]

they should make the taser take a secondary and make the pepperball take a equipment with the tasers 3 mag system

since taser is op as fuck

[feral obsidian]

i didnt even realise taser got 3 mags per point until like 3 days ago

now i use it way more sparingly

[rocky plover]

It was like that before and I didn't like it tbh

It's better if it would be an option to be able to be both

[balmy patio]

Honestly i was fine with the taser nerf to most people didnt metagame the game that much for them to know

[feral obsidian]

how op was taser before, i never really used it often

[chilly thorn]

It was good but a little unreliable

[balmy patio]

The range was double of that of today

[rocky plover]

It was double the range and it was silent now it's loud like a gunshot and range is half than before but still very op as it has 100 stun damage like a beanbag basically

[balmy patio]

More reliable than beanbag honestly

Beanbag is still pretty good although a bit iffy when you play as client or in high ping hard mode

[feral obsidian]

i've noticed it also makes some people play dead which leads to an easy arrest

[rocky plover]

True

[balmy patio]

The micro stun it does means that you have to keep shouting at them while shooting them so that they dont spray you back after the first shot

[rocky plover]

Or use bash with it

[balmy patio]

Cuz sometimes they go down in one or they decide to eat fucking 6 beanbags before giving up

[rocky plover]

It still stuns

[balmy patio]

That too

While taser very rarely do they resist it

[chilly thorn]

I think all the lesslethals should be unreliable

Lesslethal and damage as a whole needs a rework

[feral obsidian]

it's like 50/50 whether you have to use your second shot

[balmy patio]

For me more of a 80/20

Even so you can count to 4 in hard mode and if they havent surrendered just shoot em again

[feral obsidian]

you must have some insane luck because most guys i meet are just calling me a B as they hit the michael J fox

[balmy patio]

Hell you can even shoot and reload and by the time they get out of it you have another one lined up

[chilly thorn]

And taser gets 3 mags per slot

Pepperball should get that

[feral obsidian]

pepperball is only useful when doing S ranks so you dont accidently smoke someone

[balmy patio]

Like yea man lets use the pepperball smg on hard mode, how many shots does it have again

15?

Or 12 i forgot, either way trash

[feral obsidian]

12

[balmy patio]

Yeah like beanbag and pepperball are more ammo efficient than flash nade launcher on standard for those long maps

[chilly thorn]

TO BE FAIR THE PEPPERBALL SMG LOOKS REALLY COOL

[balmy patio]

However on hard mode pepperball just dies

It does i wish it wouldn't suck on hard mode

Make it stun on 2 pepperballs on headshots in hard mode for pepperball weapons ong

[feral obsidian]

i dont think they should have really changed the amount needed for hard mode

[balmy patio]

Nope they really shouldn't have

Completely nonsensical to require you to hit 6 pepperballs with the AI having 50ms reaction times

And double firerate

[feral obsidian]

the hardmode is kind of garbage in its entirety which is why i hardly play it

[balmy patio]

Its fun if you have way more hours than what you should have realistically in this game

Otherwise hell no

[feral obsidian]

i love it when my local crackden is full of olympic sport shooters

[chilly thorn]

I have 1k hours and I just play modded modes

Jugsai and FAI are great

[balmy patio]

I mainly been getting my hours off the achievement completion and alot of them in hard mode publics

Hard mode pubs are certainly something

[chilly thorn]

I just play for fun :3

[balmy patio]

Genuinely since the dlc came out ive only seen one pub make it to the 4th floor of ANA with me

People really struggle on that map

And its also impossible for them to not kill a civilian on all gods burn

[feral obsidian]

i spent more time trying to complete ANA regulary in a 5 man than i did S ranking it with 1 other guy

[woeful dove]

why is 213 park homes such a shithole

[karmic lava]

detroit

[cedar prairie]

where are the bombs located in relapse

i only found one on the second lobby 😭

i cant find the other

[chilly thorn]

Kids Centre and Reception building

[sullen lily]

how do i use/get the blueprint loader thingy to work

[cedar prairie]

is the reception building the one with the hospital entrance entry point?

[chilly thorn]

the one on the third floor (dont ask why there is a reception on the third floor)

infront of the skybridge

right next to the Kids centre

[cedar prairie]

😭

found it but half my team got killed

got my best officers killed :sad:

[lost inlet]

Based.

[limber moss]

The song that bumps on 23 MB a second is hardddddd

It actually sounds like it’s bumpin

And he’s spitting them lyrics 😂😭

[rough flume]

plsss change civi AI aswell like why wouldnt civi cooperate with swat and run towards the threat

makes no sense to me

if they feel safer with the shooter then why call cops

[waxen tartan]

It's ironic cause sometimes suspects listen better than the civis

[rough flume]

i try to S rank Greased Palms on hard difficulty and the civis are always running towards the sicarios instead of towards us so we can secure them

kills the immersion in my opinion

[limber moss]

I S ranked it on hard. I kept dying and got angry, so I decided to S class it like a boss

[kind moth]

loadout pls. i always wanted to s rank greased palms but the FISA agent and that bugged suspect on a truck pmo cause they wont surrender no matter what

[waxen tartan]

Me and my buddy got them to surrender I don't know why you're having issues

Wish me luck guys starting ironman mode😬

[kind moth]

he wont fucking surrender no matter what i do

[kind moth]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-salute-mgs3-gif-9277925

[rocky plover]

[limber moss]

I gotchu 1 second

[limber moss]

I noticed that it is hard to make him surrender I don’t know why but it’s possible because I did it a couple times before completing it finally

[waxen tartan]

I try the nade launcher like I recommended?

[kind moth]

he keeps yelling "im in your side" or sum shit when alone 😭

[waxen tartan]

Maybe u should try with ai

[kind moth]

ran out of ammo before getting all the suspects done

[kind moth]

i wanted a true solo run

[waxen tartan]

How many rounds did you take ?

[kind moth]

13

[waxen tartan]

Ur wasting to many then but i also did it with a multiplayer partner

So find a a buddy to do it with and run the same loadout

Or you could ask @rocky plover to help you sure he wouldn't mind

[limber moss]

Yeah he says that a lot but he ain’t even on our side

[kind moth]

lowk just wanna blow his face with buckshots ammo

[limber moss]

Fr because of the amount of pain and suffering he’s caused to us from having to restart so many times

[rocky plover]

I used beanbag for that map, but flash launcher will definitely work as well since it's very OP

[kind moth]

one of the reason why corrupt people are ass

[rocky plover]

But for a true solo, ammo might be a slight problem

[kind moth]

biggest problem

i almost ran out of ammo when doing S rank Valley of the Dolls

[rocky plover]

I usually take 12 slots for it so 18 total flashes

And 1 slot left for taser

And m320 flash for long tactical for another 4 flashes

So 22 total flashes

This is with light armor

[hallow flower]

stab vest, 15 slot for ammo, with m320, you got ton of flash. and rest is depend onluck

[kind moth]

light armor are just the best in the game

[kind moth]

insta death when got shot

[rocky plover]

Yep still very fast and have some protection just in case

[hallow flower]

easy, just dont get shot, your welcome

HAHAHAHAHA

[kind moth]

those spanish speakers will gun and run when spotting you in 0,5 seconds

they got max sensivity

[limber moss]

My non lethal loadout - beanbag shotgun with holosight & flashlight with 7 beanbag rounds.
Non lethal handgun with 1 pepper ball round.
M320 flash
5 9 bangers
Light armor (ceramic plates as always)
GPNVGS

[hallow flower]

thats why even though m32a1 is much more op then beanbag, i think beanbag still is much more reliable and dependable for solo

[kind moth]

nice aim = nice gun

[kind moth]

ill try it later

[hallow flower]

oh nah, i abuse the free lean and mirror gun

[limber moss]

If you don’t like the shotgun that’s okay try out the rifle one

[kind moth]

the rifle one sucks

[limber moss]

but definitely wanna go in with plenty of 9 bangers and a m320 flash or stinger launcher

[hallow flower]

if you are good to strategize your clearing path, you might not need to look your back, so light armor i choose front steel

[limber moss]

The greased palms misson is just a really hard misson idk why but not a lot of ppl like it

[hallow flower]

for me its the view. its quite hard to identify the anime, the environemnt and suspect are blend in

[kind moth]

the real issue when you're bringing a beanbag shotgun into the outside

and the enemies are far far away

[limber moss]

With steel plates bullets will fragment and will k** you that’s why people don’t run steel plates anymore and + they’re heavier irl. But it’s just a video game at the end of the day it’s all preference

[waxen tartan]

I always choose steel plates if i know it's gonna be tough but i choose ceramic when doing non lethal so i can still move quickly enough

[limber moss]

The open area is insane they have crazy good angles where we could barely see them & They could get shots off.

[hallow flower]

i think for solo is good, but for multi nah, since steel plate reduce 80% damage

[kind moth]

once its break then you're finished

[hallow flower]

maybe you need to clear from outside first, if you did good, you only need to clear the inside left. if you did bad, just restart since its still early

[limber moss]

In game do the steel plates stop more then ceramic?

Or is it the same?

[vagrant marsh]

Wait those actually matter in this game?

[hallow flower]

i think it did. ceramic only for 4 free bullet shot, then you got 40% dmg reduction if the plate broken but for steel, its permanent reduce 80% dmg

[limber moss]

That’s what I’m wondering if it’s the same or not

[kind moth]

steel plates reduce bullet damages + it wont break

but sacrifices movement

ceramic wont get you hit by bullets before it break

[hallow flower]

thats why i suggest front steel plate, still comfortable. but watchout for flank

[kind moth]

shield exist

[hallow flower]

yeah thats one of the way to fix the issue, but for me, when solo i always bring mirror gun. with good strat path clear, flank wont matter

[rocky plover]

Steel front only for me

Still very fast and good frontal protection

[limber moss]

If you’re taking more then like 3 mags to your plates for them to break you have a bigger issue then plate material

they don’t break like how ppl would think

[limber moss]

What about the rear tho don’t wanna any pass throughs or anything. because your vitals are exposed on your back

[rocky plover]

Similar to mine although I take 4 beanbags slots
8 9 bangs
1 taser instead of the Pepperball
M320 flash

[limber moss]

Yes I find myself having extra ammo sometimes soo I can definitely use more flashes

[rocky plover]

Very rarely I ever take shots to the back to sides tbh so front only is enough

[limber moss]

Might have to switch it up slightly

[rocky plover]

Every slot is 8 shots for the beanbag

Even though it holds 7

[limber moss]

That makes sense and you could honestly run a shield if you really worry about it

[rocky plover]

So with 4 slots I'd have 32 shots which is pretty good for the majority of the maps

I find shield a waste of slot tbh if I'm not using a pistol

[waxen tartan]

Smooth 1st mission

[storm belfry]

And the 2nd?

[rocky plover]

Ironman ?

[waxen tartan]

Bout to do it now this the one I'm worried about💀

[waxen tartan]

Mhm kinda going for that trophy with losing any officers which is almost impossible 😂

[rocky plover]

Ah I see, good luck

You doing it lethally or less lethally?

[waxen tartan]

Not wasting my time with non lethal thats how i end up with dead officers

[rocky plover]

Then I suggest 1 armorer, 1 nutritionist, 2 veterans for lethal approach

[cloud valve]

how do i actually arrest fisa adam in grease palm

[rocky plover]

That's how I did it

[cloud valve]

ive been spamming f and all my lethal equipment against him

[rocky plover]

2 negotiators instead of 2 veterans isn't bad either for some free arrests

[rocky plover]

Ye agree but some people do like to do it less lethal way to keep stress levels down, personally I prefer lethal way because it's safer and for stress levels just send them to therapy

[waxen tartan]

And if u get a officer with s.b.a.g.s. Even better

[rocky plover]

Sbags is pretty bad tbh compared to the others

Barely does anything

The only ones I consider are negotiator, pacifier, armorer, nutritionist and veteran, all the other ones are bad

[sweet fractal]

i use the shield for some runs and it has saved me quite alot

when you crouch your body is more protected

[waxen tartan]

Welp there goes 1 achievement, told them to search room and 1 of them searches the weeb cave and gets blasted cuz i knew there was a dude in there, jesus christ ai 😐🤦🏽‍♂️

[hybrid wren]

VOID PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏⛪️⛪️⛪️
ADD G36 INTEGRATED SCOPE 🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️
I BEG YOU 🙏🙏🙏👼👼👼

[waxen tartan]

Wait does incapacitated count as an officer dying disabling the achievement?

Wait will let me do a mission with 3 ai ?💀 rest are in therapy

[storm belfry]

Run non lethal on thank you come again after a lethal mission

[tawdry laurel]

Does anyone have a fix or workaround for the game taking ages to authenticate to epic when playing through steam?

[waxen tartan]

Maybe restart

[tawdry laurel]

Tried like 3 times it just takes ages to authenticate to epic online services every time the circle doesn't stop spinning 🫠

[rocky plover]

We were referring to having shield but not using it mainly

[rocky plover]

For achievement yes for Dev watch no

[sly grail]

yes

in fact, if you perform a dark ritual (A Lethal Obsession) you can mission with NO ai

[gritty coyote]

maybe lukewarm take but I think I now prefer ceramic
in reality, you go down very fast on hard when you are caught with your pants down. In that moment of life and death, the initial sprint to dip back into cover is more important.

rather than an armor that wouldn't stop the inevitable I want maximum speed

[lost inlet]

Use free lean.

[sly grail]

honestly? they turned the TTK so short for Hard that i legitimately can get by with a stab vest. there's so little difference between heavy ceramic and stab vest TTK on hard that having the extra mags can genuinely be a viable play

[gritty coyote]

that is what I always use. but inevitably you have to be crossing dangerous terrains and might be caught with pants down

[rocky plover]

That's why I love front only steel, super fast and best frontal protection

[gritty coyote]

because the camping enemies like to wait until you move into the open before they themselves run out of cover

[gritty coyote]

yeah well I thought about using that for max speed too but I guess I am still a bit of a coward

some ceramic to ease the mind

[waxen tartan]

Free lean is op if you know how to use and use it correctly

[tight gazelle]

or just rock the party shirt with no vest and you’re invincible

[waxen tartan]

You still should be able to move tho I don’t get that

[tight gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[gritty coyote]

initial speed of steel is slower

[waxen tartan]

lol

[gritty coyote]

that is the most important kind of speed when you are trying to get back into cover

[tight gazelle]

rip

[gritty coyote]

acceleration penalty is 18% per plate for steel

[waxen tartan]

I think I’ve died more trying to get to cover then then vice versa

[tight gazelle]

what are everyone’s thoughts on the new dlc

[waxen tartan]

9/10 imo

[gritty coyote]

yeah when you are being shot every millisecond matters

[rocky plover]

Steel front Still faster than full ceramic

[tight gazelle]

w take

[storm belfry]

Me personally, I just don't get shot

[waxen tartan]

“Officer Barnes report to staff training”

[storm belfry]

is the back plate even that needed like most the time?

[gritty coyote]

ceramic is -5% accel penalty per plate. do the calculation

[waxen tartan]

Definitely

[storm belfry]

I ain't gotta say it.

[waxen tartan]

I can’t count how many times I’ve been shot in the back or flanked

[rocky plover]

Personally no

[storm belfry]

Avoiding the obvious joke right there

[storm belfry]

Yeah, I mean I usually go fast

Usually if I'm getting hit in the back I'm already dead

[gritty coyote]

I honestly don't believe you if you say you never get flanked

often it happens when I need to be crossing a place with multiple sight lines

[waxen tartan]

I’m dreading getting to elephant on Ironman mode

[storm belfry]

I never get flanked i do get shot down at

[gritty coyote]

yeah sorry but maps like Elephant and No Good Deed are heavily RNG

I perform the same but sometimes no civilians die

[waxen tartan]

Lmao sure bud

[storm belfry]

I'm very good at avoiding getting flanked since I always clear room by room

Once I clear a certain amount of rooms I bring back my AI and we repeat into the next set

I usually keep myself at the tip of the spear or in the center

I use them like roman shield wall

[gritty coyote]

clearing room by room isn't how you avoid being flanked. Because the enemies can loop back if they know a path. Leviathan is the heaviest offender of this. You let the enemy run from a fight and that means the whole level you just cleared is now suspect

[waxen tartan]

So basically hiding behind ur ai ?😂

[balmy patio]

u dont have to run heavy steel yknow

why the metagame is light steel front only

as long as your FOV is directly on the enemy it will count towards the front armor

gives you the speed to go into cover to heal metagame

[storm belfry]

always, in every game I let the AI handle problems

[balmy patio]

and with enough rng allows you to be immortal basically

[gritty coyote]

in fact I both abhor and begrudgingly respect Leviathan. The rooms on the same level are all so close that the enemies can choose any path

[storm belfry]

I only step in if I actually need to

[balmy patio]

biggest issue with ceramic is that once it breaks you cannot get bleeds from it

it breaks into kevlar and then it wont let you proc bleeds

[gritty coyote]

like I said, I don't believe people who say they don't get flanked