👮ron-discussion

[fiery escarp]

Do you have an SSD?

[stark dew]

I think so

[fiery escarp]

Move the game to your SSD and see the difference

[stark dew]

Other than the loading screens my game runs pretty well

Except for this one bug where for some reason the game does not allow me to join my friends unless we have “allow modded players” and “allow joining modded sessions” enabled even through both of us literally run clean installations

From steam launch options

That’s an inconvenience at best but it’s still a thing and from what I can see on internet it has been for a while

[jolly verge]

It's simply means some of you have a mod, reinstalling the game doesn't remove them.

[stark dew]

So the clean installation (no mods) option from the steam launch options does not work?

[jolly verge]

#❓modding-faq message

[stark dew]

I see but isn’t that objectively kind of goofy to have a launch option that makes you think that mods won’t cause any issues yet they still do?

[subtle wadi]

Are we ever getting swat ai that actually works

I do the separate go commands they don’t listen. They shoot the hostage when there’s a hostage taker. They throw flashes or stings or gas either too shallow or at the door frame

[fiery escarp]

Does it also say "Cannot reach host server" or something like that?

[stark dew]

“Couldn’t connect to a modded server” along the lines of that

[fiery escarp]

Oh

[stark dew]

The issue fixes if I allow mods in settings but that’s just so silly because both of us run launch options that specifically states (no mods)

[sick veldt]

maybe reset the moi.io

[stark dew]

You would think (no mods) means no mods but I guess

It really doesn’t bring me much trouble, as I said, just an inconvenience at best

[tepid dome]

hello. as someone that hasnt played the game but has seen videos of it do you need to not kill anyone and only arrest to get the maximum rank ?

[wooden lintel]

Yeah

Also all objectives + guns

[tepid dome]

does rng play in to it or it all basaed on how prepared you are or strategies ?

[jolly verge]

Yes there is a RNG, like suspects suicide chance or crossfire

[tepid dome]

damn

[wooden lintel]

Rng only in maps where after x time passes, suspects are killing civis

Yeah that too above but that's rare

[tepid dome]

i like that mechanic not gonna lie

in paper atleast i havent played the game but im thinking of getting it

[wind gyro]

void is too lazy to remove it

[stark dew]

S ranking elephant was a bit annoying ngl

[plain tapir]

I wish there was away you can play commander mode without the ai teammates, they fuck everything up with their yelling

[stark dew]

It was fun at times but seeing “-200 hostage killed” is heartbreaking

[stark dew]

Safe to assume the dudes who shot up that school caught a few 556 bullets after the S ranking was done

[misty grail]

Is anyone having an issue were it says you can’t connect to epic

[tidal sleet]

yep

[misty grail]

find any fix ?

[tidal sleet]

No

[stark dew]

The hotel was pretty challenging

Tight space with a lot of crossroads was fun to clear

[crisp garden]

so like can someone tell me the use of crouching in RoN

[fiery escarp]

Sus can suicidе?

[gusty marten]

anyone else find mirage at sea very annoying

[tall juniper]

not all of them

but i think like some can on a mission or 2

maybe im tripping tho dunno

[upper ridge]

Do SWAT IRL use face shields on their helms?

or is that more reserved for other kinds of law enforcements like the ones that stops riots?

[warped meadow]

How to make a multicam x black loadout in RoN?

[stark dew]

Iirc the main suspect in spider can pull a gun on himself if you pressure him too much

So just pass him a flashbang or two

[upper ridge]

Are all cosmetics from the Supporter edition available to unlock now for those who got the game after 1.0 ?

[coral tapir]

Yeah and at the same time they can choose to feint doing that and turn their gun at us instead too.

[coral tapir]

Active Shooter type of missions are just annoying in general, though I'd consider Mirage At Sea THE Active Shooter mission done right.. at least on Standard diff. I am not too sure about Hard as I've yet to play it on that.

Honestly the existence of Elephant on Hard diff and Hunger Strike even on Standard already sent Greased Palms below #1 worst mission on both diffs for me.

[upper ridge]

They only ever do that in Standard difficulty onwards, right? I never seen them doing it in Casual diff.

[coral tapir]

NGL I would rather bear with superhuman capabilities (Hard Greased Palms) during S Rank rather than a quick auto fail Objective.

[coral tapir]

Possible, I've actually never ever played Casual diff before.

[gusty marten]

Greased palms made me want to uninstall the game

[upper ridge]

Im beating the whole game like that because i suck at rules of engagement lol

but i think suspects never do anything other than either shooting and completely surrendering

never seen them drawing a surprise of any kind, i think they start doing it on Standard difficulty

[gusty marten]

every mission ive played is on casual💔

I'm not ready enough for standard or hard

[upper ridge]

Standard should be fine, we only need to play slower there

[coral tapir]

Yeah just enjoy games at your own pace, that's what truly matters.

[proper furnace]

Not sure where to put this but Is there any PC Ready Or Not fellow streamers in the server?

[gusty marten]

Leviathan was fun i can't lie

[drifting wraith]

I've just completed it now, for some reason it was harder with 4 bots under me than without them (they all died on the last floor anyway)

idk how to make them go up the stairs in some good manner, they all just followed each other and died to the same suspect holding the stairs xd

maybe that's for the good, idk if they'd turn hostile if I activated the detonator

[lofty kernel]

This is for you

Then yeah it's just the DLC pass for you

[keen canyon]

Is there a canon timeline or chronological order of when each mission takes place?

There like a link to a list or smth that I can look at ?

[spare depot]

What do about the suspects with bomb vests on Relapse

[neon laurel]

i really appreciate my clip being removed from the clip channel @ mod team

[lost inlet]

You neutralize them and don’t let them gets close.

[spare depot]

In every encounter i been with them, they always explode, even the armed ones.

So it's either me or something else.

[lost inlet]

They can only detonates if they’re close to you.

[spare depot]

I would like to know what is meant by "close"

[lost inlet]

Also since when relapse has bomb vest suspects?

[sonic sleet]

On hard it does always

[lost inlet]

Around ~3 meters apart.

[spare depot]

Oh huh

[lost inlet]

This is standard cause i know the most about standard.

[spare depot]

Holy moly. 7.62 sucks compared to 6.5 Creedmoor

[versed wraith]

is it normal for blood decals to just straight up be nonexistent on skin? Like, blood and wounds will show up on clothes, but literally nowhere else ever

It just feels weird to shoot someone in the face and them to be totally fine

[lost inlet]

Which 7.62?

There are like of them with the same diameter.

[spare depot]

x51mm Nato

Shot a guy 5 times, perhaps in the arm or body, didn't die.

[lost inlet]

I guess, 6.5 is better on maps with health modifier just because 7.62x51 can’t oneshot.

[lost inlet]

You missed or were using the wrong ammo type.

[ripe swift]

Dude new America ai’s are ridiculous

I’ve gotten killed 5 times in a row from one shot or 2 shot instant with no time to react with full heavy

[spare depot]

Speaking of which, that is just ridiculous, a civvie died because of them

[coral tapir]

Also the prettiest mission ever.

[hybrid wren]

Afaik GIGN use them and riot control, but GIGIN uses special kind that id like bulletproof

Probably too cumbersome for most swat units

[sonic sleet]

Yup they have 50 milliseconds reaction time and 7.62 APs that shred heavy steel. For the record no human can react anywhere close to that and they can also see through walls and wall bang you so

To put it into reality, the fastest human muscle reaction is 100 milliseconds and that’s for your eye muscles

[versed wraith]

blood decals on faces gone

[coarse pelican]

i lost one of my squad mates

[warm gate]

Was it ranson

[steel tide]

the ai is broken in general

especially on hard

[frosty atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1487349334625226823

need help with my multiplayer

cannot host or find a game

[pale sparrow]

use NVD

and if u see lasers dont walk through them

they alert ppl and spawn buff guys high on crack and gunpowder

[molten wasp]

Dude I accidently shot the daughter #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[frosty atlas]

^

[sonic sleet]

Doesn’t matter on hard. You’re still fucked

[coarse pelican]

not sure how toc thinks ive gone rogue after executing a suspect that fired like 12 shots at me

[molten wasp]

I get that sometimes, especially fuck that guy In particular suspects

[sonic sleet]

I love getting unauthorized deadly force on guys actively shooting at me it’s the funniest shit

It happens a lot on ana

[molten wasp]

I always fire first and shoot suspects that tried to flee away from me, It works sometimes, ROE Is a bit jank but you can take advantage of the situation

[coarse pelican]

im still stuck on ides of march

might just be a skill issue

[molten wasp]

You're trying to S rank or complete It

[coarse pelican]

i was going to originally but fuck that now

i just wanna get past it

[molten wasp]

Yeah ides of march Is one of those missions, you're dealing with suspects with custom AR and one particular suspect carrying a M249 SAW

[coarse pelican]

the traps aren’t a problem thats smth you should know how to get past

i also have horrible vision

that might be the problem

[molten wasp]

I can relate, I'm long sighted, my eye sight Is worse

[coarse pelican]

i have contacts but i js dont like putting them on

[molten wasp]

I wear glasses, have you S ranked any missions

[coarse pelican]

never tried to until this mission but i gave up immediately

i also just got the game like a few days ago

so im still a beginner

[molten wasp]

Nice

[coarse pelican]

i js used the mirrorgun and i saw a dude standing RIGHT in front of the door

and before i could do anything he started spraying and praying

are there any guns that one shot

don’t even wanna take anyone in alive anymore

[molten wasp]

Depends though, I had some BS In the new boiling point DLC

Somehow suspects with FAL can tap me twice

[coarse pelican]

is the sa-58 any good

[sonic sleet]

They can one tap heavy steel w the fal it has 7.62 ap

They’re cracked

[sonic sleet]

Yeah idc rn anyway I just need a completion idc abt grade im going for programmed psychosis i already have hard s tier on ana

[upper ridge]

Having a hard time in Neon club, even in Casual, the layout is hard to cover, especially at the end of the lower level where you got a long hallway/path with multiple interconnected areas.

[sonic sleet]

You just gotta learn a route that works for you and stick to it

Wedge off if you need to

[upper ridge]

I mostly send the team to clear out but they usually kill the main guy of the objective, ruining my runs lol

[sonic sleet]

Lmao

[upper ridge]

As someone new to RoN, im finally understanding the problem people have with the game's AI.

[sonic sleet]

Have you seen their flash throwing ability it’s top tier

[upper ridge]

lol yeah

[sonic sleet]

Don’t worry tho the ai on the enemy team on ana are good w their flashes lol

[coarse pelican]

yup

[onyx swift]

Did the recent update fix their Throwable usages?

[molten wasp]

A lot of people are joining

[sonic sleet]

No lol they throw it into the door frame

[onyx swift]

Sometimes when commanding my AI to throw a Grenade somewhere, they wouldn't even listen

[upper ridge]

Does Void Interactive aim to make the game as realistic as possible? With all the tedious things out of the way obviously (officers IRL wait and patrol for hours on end if im not mistaken, we wouldn't want that in RoN so it makes sense to remove those things).

[onyx swift]

Ever since the LSS update

[pseudo hull]

when will void save me from ai art....

[onyx swift]

ngl it's realisitic enough given the circumstances of a city in utter chaos while the police are overworked and underfunded

TOC and briefings also says how negotiations have already failed with the Suspects and how they barricaded themselves in

[molten wasp]

And doing dangerous missions that's beyond their jurisdiction

[sonic sleet]

Ehh try hard mode on ana and lmk it’s realistic. Esp considering the fact that their code literally gives them inhuman reaction times

[onyx swift]

Some missions also have it where you can see some backup SWAT/police on the scene to "assist" you

[molten wasp]

Dark water for example

[onyx swift]

So it's not always only our squad, but for gameplay we're of course the only ones sent to the action itself

other than Judge's and D-Platoon's lore also playing a part

[wraith lance]

We also know that in a briefing of a mission (I think it's the hospital) there's 2 entry team

[molten prairie]

Been testing out the gas grenandes and I’ve found they cause the enemy AI to act strangely.

Even when not exposed to the gas grenades effects, it seems to slow down enemy reaction time as though they’re having trouble seeing through the gas.

It does however seem to make them eager to execute any hostages they have.

[sonic sleet]

Yeah stress level increase

[molten prairie]

Gas might be worth it for the sightline blocks over flashes.

Anything that can slow down the enemy reaction time is very welcome.

[coarse pelican]

just happened again

[sonic sleet]

Depends on the desired outcome too lol

[molten prairie]

If going for S rank, the launcher is always gonna be king.

[onyx swift]

I miss Gas before LSS but at least VOID made it back to being pretty good again

[molten prairie]

Did try out the beanbag shotguns with the gas and it seems to work alright.

But the AI is really stupid at handling windows.

May be worth looking into if using AI as trailers however.

[proven jasper]

Hey, is it okay that the voice chat doesnt work?

What am I supposed to set it to? local or team?

I hear a "radio has been enabled" sound but it seems nobody can't hear me.

[sonic sleet]

The in game VC is buggy asf

[proven jasper]

Has it been like that for a long time? I just came back to play after half year I believe.

[sonic sleet]

Yeah

I’m console but it never really worked for me since console drop

[proven jasper]

RIP

[sonic sleet]

Crazy I’m getting my clips deleted for what

Literally all I said was assert dominance and sent a clip gunning down some mf who punched me

And a civi who ran from me after I punched her

Don’t do it, use a mirror gun and get damn good at it. Shields useless on ana hard

By second do you mean third

A lot of people don’t count spawn floor but there can still be suspects on it so I count it and the map counts it 🤷🏽‍♂️

Could be, but you also have to realize they can one tap you through a shield

The 7.62 ap FAL can one tap a shield w heavy steel armor, trust me lol. I have my hard S tier on ana and it happened quite a few times to my shield guys

Both ways. I always had two shields when I got my s tier and it is still very possible either way

I meant like two shield guys

I’m talking abt on my hard s tier runs as a squad where I learned it is very possible for them to one tap either way shield out or on back

I’m not hating, it’s possible, just have to not rely tooo heavy on it

The biggest thing abt programmed psychosis is finding what works for you and working it hard and hoping for good RNG lol

And make use of the bomb traps, on ana it essentially works as a free wedge

I just firmly believe in the mirror gun bc if you learn it’s bugs and everything it’s got massive potential

[gritty coyote]

the mirror gun is so overpowered that I have heard people advocate not using it

since it would not make your learn cqb fundamentals properly

[sonic sleet]

I mean it’s a tool, only as good as the operator. But mirror shut doors and mirror securing and all the bugs in ana, that you can exploit, not to mention its actual intended use makes the mirror gun in my opinion, the best tool for programmed psychosis

Programmed psychosis is its own ball of brain deadening bullshit

And yk maybe people wouldn’t exploit the mirror gun if the ai on ana on hard were even slightly realistic but when void codes them to have a 50 millisecond reaction time, which is 1/2 the time it takes any human to blink let alone react and engage, it’s not very realistic, especially since those ai w 50 millisecond reaction times, also have 7.62 ap one tap wall beams

[gritty coyote]

well yeah, it just depends on how one wants to play. I use mirror gun a lot myself and it's definitely harder to play without it. But I can see why people would say it's cheating a bit.

[sonic sleet]

Have you tried ana on hard solo? Just curious

Also another thing abt ana, the ai can shoot backwards. My friend and I were doing our s run and he had him up against the wall, facing the wall, pinned w a shield and all of a sudden my shield guy dropped and he clipped it and replayed it he literally shot backwards behind him while pinned w a shield

[onyx swift]

what kind of logic is that lol

[winter pendant]

I only use it on ANA hard mode

[onyx swift]

You still eventually need to know CQB fundamentals and always have a plan to Breach regardless

[molten prairie]

Felt this. Was holding a doorway, I see the suspects rifle peeking through the door, and before I even get a sightline on his body, his rifle had fired and the bullet had curved 180 degrees to dome me.

[sonic sleet]

Literally same. I only use it for ana hard and nothing else

[molten prairie]

Rifle literally violated every law of physics.

[sonic sleet]

The ai on ana hard are literally just broken

[molten prairie]

AI in general is broken.

The AI is quite simply, far too simple for the nature of the game.

[winter pendant]

Standard is pretty good but Hard is... Not there

And SWAT is just straight up worse

[molten prairie]

AI draw ray paths without accounting for cover, obstruction, or logic.

[sonic sleet]

Just head tapped a mf he went down, and on his way down w a bullet in his head he hit me in the leg through the center display thing on second floor of ana

[molten prairie]

It’s why they can shoot behind them. Since the game isn’t actually checking to make sure the rifle is pointed in a direction that makes sense, only if a line can be drawn between you and the AI.

[sonic sleet]

And void couldn’t make realistic ai so they just cranked their stats to inhuman stats just to make it “hard”

[floral peak]

Omg who cares about that, the only things I care is completion is the mission

“They gave us tools to make our lives easier, let’s not use them”

[winter pendant]

Cqb nerds who like cqb games

[sonic sleet]

Most people going for programmed psychosis probably already have cqb down pretty well pat

[winter pendant]

It's a style 🤷

[molten prairie]

And on top of the fact they constantly violate the laws of physics. They are all superhuman with faster than special forces level reaction, response, and accuracy.

[floral peak]

Fuck CQB fundamentals, game is unfair to us

Mfs on ANA literally have aimbot and wall hacks

[winter pendant]

I would also like it to be more fair. At this point i don't think ANA is very representative of the whole.

[floral peak]

And will instakill from mile away

[molten prairie]

Watch any hard mode difficulty pro and you’ll find one thing in common.

Abuse of unintended mechanics.

[sonic sleet]

Like I said it’s literally 50 millisecond reaction time which is inhuman even the muscle that makes you blink only has a 100 millisecond reaction time

[molten prairie]

If in order to put yourself on any kind of level playing field you need to abuse mechanics in a way not at all intuitive or intended.

[onyx swift]

That + you learn them along the way anyway

[floral peak]

I heard one guy abused bug where he could see through the wall for a sec

[molten prairie]

Then there is a fundamental flaw in your game design.

[onyx swift]

If anything, the M32A1 Flashbang Launcher does the most to skip CQB lol

Not even the Mirrorgun

[sonic sleet]

You literally have to exploit the game to complete ana hard let alone programmed psychosis

[molten prairie]

I’ve honestly tried to apply proper CQB tactics but real CQB tactics don’t work against super humans.

[floral peak]

Yeah

[sonic sleet]

Flash baiting, free leaning, and abusing tf out of the mirror gun is the only way to even complete ana on hard let alone solo

[molten prairie]

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, angle apexes, deadzone pushes, etc etc. None of that works against the AI cause they’re better than the best special forces operators.

[floral peak]

Yeah, like closing doors from distance with mirror

[sonic sleet]

Yup. And mirror securing suspects and evidence and exploiting the dark dark doors to see through them

[floral peak]

Our best run on hard ANA so far (me and Full Metal) was A+

[winter pendant]

I just try to be very sneaky and dome suspects before they know I'm there. In a police game.

[floral peak]

I died on last floor and then my friend soloed the rest of suspects

[sonic sleet]

I have hard S tier but programmed psychosis is its own beast

[molten prairie]

Just watched an ANA solo and the entire video was just AI baiting and using the instant cuff glitch.

[floral peak]

Good luck on floor 22 with that

[floral peak]

Instant cuff?

[sonic sleet]

On s tier w the flash launchers I heavily abused fake cuffing

[molten prairie]

Cuff and immediately begun to move.

Makes it so the AI can’t stand back up even if they aren’t fully cuffed.

[floral peak]

Oh that’s arrest cancel

[molten prairie]

Yeah, arrest canceling.

[floral peak]

You just disarm them and prevent from getting up

Very useful

Bc if you turn for a moment even if your ally watching the suspect they’ll instantly get up

[sonic sleet]

Also an unintended function in the game

[winter pendant]

The farthest I've made it is to the landing and then I got sniped through a door and a column from across the entire building arguably with no line of sight at any point

Full auto

[floral peak]

I also learned that CS gas act as smoke grenades, kind off

[winter pendant]

I should be angrier. I think the sleeper agent programming is preventing it

[floral peak]

They can provide visual cover

[sonic sleet]

I got to the final suspect on my ana hard solo programmed psychosis run and he one tapped me cross map when I had full steel and no damage

[winter pendant]

How well does it work?

[floral peak]

Certified ANA classic

[floral peak]

Well, we had to use it 2-3 times

[molten prairie]

Works okay, makes the AI act weird.

Their accuracy degrades.

[floral peak]

I would say it does work, but don’t rely fully on it

[sonic sleet]

I’m still pressed abt that. Literally had one suspect and flower man and got one tapped from waiting to ammo box

[winter pendant]

I mean, that'd be really funny if they had a harder time shooting through a semi- thin cloud of smoke than through closed doors and solid walls

[floral peak]

You HAVE TO lure suspects on floor 22

Otherwise you will not get further

[molten prairie]

If they wanna fix the broken mess that is the AI, they need to implement a proper "can I actually realistically see this person" check as well as tone down the wall banging and moving suspect accuracy.

[floral peak]

You’ll just get instakilled from across the hallway

[winter pendant]

Noted

[molten prairie]

They can’t just tone down the reaction time since that ultimately doesn’t fix the core issue which is the AI’s super sight.

[sonic sleet]

Yeah he got me from the far back left through 3 granite walls, into my dome at ammo crate

[molten prairie]

It’s been an issue since day 1 RON.

[floral peak]

They have to implement this: time to spot you scales from distance

At least

[molten prairie]

Ye. Should scale off distance and obstructions.

[floral peak]

And their stance

If they are calm, it takes very long

[molten prairie]

Currently the AI draw a line between them and you to determine if they see you.

[floral peak]

If already alerted and aiming, faster

[molten prairie]

They realistically should be using a cone vision.

[floral peak]

I also love their wall bangs

Sometimes suspect loses his mind and starting to mag dump the walls

Trying to get you

[molten prairie]

Putting it from a programming standpoint.

The game is telling the AI where you are instead of the AI independently figuring it out in the current system.

[floral peak]

Even after reloading

[molten prairie]

Game just checks if there’s a sightline, if sightline = true, they see you.

[floral peak]

Yup, straight wall hacks

Oh VOID, I hope you’ll hear us one day

[molten prairie]

This is actually what causes some of the wall banging.

[winter pendant]

If there were a bigger disconnect between "can see you" and "can accurately hit you" that would do a lot to mask the issue

[molten prairie]

Since it takes the game a second to update the AI.

And tell em "you can’t see them dude."

[floral peak]

Yk what’s the funny part

[molten prairie]

This is all just unreal engine AI jank. Most AI systems have these things handled independently by each AI.

[floral peak]

Sometimes I had suspects behind cover with big holes, and they didn’t see me point blank, ON ANA

[molten prairie]

But RON uses a weird ass pseudo-hive mind system with a primary program informing AI behavior.

[sonic sleet]

We need the ai from cod spec ops back in the day lol

[floral peak]

And don’t forget that suspects can sometimes walk through map borders

Happened twice to me

[winter pendant]

What about it is specific to unreal? I don't know anything about unreal but I know programmer stuff

[floral peak]

They just went under the map

[molten prairie]

RON basically just uses modified default unreal engine AI.

[floral peak]

Fortunately game acknowledged that and then tp them to their room and auto arrest them

[sonic sleet]

I failed an s tier run one time bc gas went through the ceiling and triggered flower man when we were on third floor

[molten prairie]

RON AI is split between the suspects and the primary program basically.

[floral peak]

Flower man is funny

He needs to see you to set off trigger

If you throw flashes inside and not seen, he will not care

[molten prairie]

The suspects receive signals that the primary program receives, the primary program then tells the suspects what they know and what they’re capable of in that scenario.

In most AI systems, such decisions are made independently by a bunch of smaller programs.

[sonic sleet]

He literally triggered the bomb bc gas went through the floor and triggered flower man, we were on third floor we weren’t even on the same floor as trigger man

[molten prairie]

Thus why I describe it as a Hive Mind.

[floral peak]

Lmfao

That’s rough

[molten prairie]

It’s somewhat similar to how the Alien Isolation AI program works.

[winter pendant]

Is the issue that it's computationally expensive to use independent AI instances in unreal?

Or is it just... Harder to design...?

[molten prairie]

Not particularly.

It’s just more difficult to design.

But it’s not all that more computationally expensive.

[floral peak]

I would prefer AI fixes instead of new content rn

[molten prairie]

The current way they built the AI is very lazy.

[floral peak]

Both suspects and SWAT ai

Don’t get me started on SWAT ai

[sonic sleet]

You mean you don’t like swat ai flash banging the whole team instead of the room, but suspect ai has no problem flashing you successfully?

[winter pendant]

I can see the use of a centralized AI for "game master" purposes, making sure that the AI prioritize interesting decisions and moments. But for them to not actually like independently act at all is kinda cringe

[floral peak]

I hate them with passion

[molten prairie]

The SWAT AI is about as smart mechanically as SWAT 4 AI which is alright. The issue is that they’ve had their reaction, response, and accuracy gimped.

[floral peak]

They’ll just stand in one spot and get mag dumped while yelling “PUT THE GUN DOWN”

[molten prairie]

You can’t have an AI that has bad self-survival skills AND bad accuracy.

Need to pick one or the other.

[winter pendant]

They can't turn very well. The MLO cqb enemies are much better at facing and prioritizing threat areas because they are fast as fuck

[floral peak]

They are SWAT, a fucking SWAT, they HAVE TO have both of these

[winter pendant]

It makes me wonder why the swat AI aren't just... Ykno... Using the MLO AI

[molten prairie]

Speaking from a programming perspective,

Realistically they should have both. Just saying that a game made over a decade ago could manage this.

[molten prairie]

They do have a degree of independent AI. The "primary program" just serves as a sorta brain for their physical capabilities.

Basically, every AI on the level is all speaking to the same program to decide "oh, I can see that guy."

Which causes lag on the program which is what causes the wall banging.

[winter pendant]

Whereas what real people would do is each process limited and fallible information and decide what to do with it

[molten prairie]

It’s like trying to hook up the eyes and ears of 30 different AI to a singular sensory-processing brain.

[sonic sleet]

Don’t get me wrong void has made improvements to the overall game but fuck they need to fix the ai

[molten prairie]

Exactly.

The AI have perfect understanding and awareness since they get to cheat.

The primary program is basically giving them a lay of the land as opposed to their individual instance evaluating the situation in real-time.

[winter pendant]

Are you a game dev? Do you have any projects you're working on?

[sonic sleet]

It’s almost wrong to call the game a realistic swat fps when there’s ai like ana hard mfs bc it’s so unrealistic and inhuman

[floral peak]

Feels like she knows a lot in programming

[molten prairie]

No, I just used to mod SWAT 4 a lot and I’ve looked into the RON code.

So I’m rather familiar with these systems.

[floral peak]

It’s “Simulator”

[molten prairie]

SWAT 4 suspects use individual evaluations of situations.

Each suspect is assigned a "skill level" and "type" which changes how they individually react to situations.

A suspect with a high skill level and a military background is likely to be more brave and aggressive in pushing.

[winter pendant]

I have a BS in computer science but I don't feel that I got a very deep understanding of how to build or improve systems like this. It was all very... Shallow and wide knowledge, feels like

[molten prairie]

Meanwhile a suspect assigned a low skill level and a fearful type personality will hunker down and flee from swat when possible.

[rocky plover]

what's going on here? 😄

[winter pendant]

Complaining about the AI

[floral peak]

I’m also don’t really understand how fire alarm works in ANA, does it just alarms all the suspects?

[winter pendant]

I think it makes them "know where you are", same as tripping a laser. I've tried pulling a fire alarm and running away and the enemies all seemed to either swarm or aim at the point where the fire alarm is pulled. Which is ofc not how fire alarms work

[molten prairie]

Best way to put it is the RON AI is based upon a framework better suited for things like COD.

The default framework they are working with is not suitable for a tactical shooter.

[rocky plover]

turning off the power makes the fire alarm not work right?

[winter pendant]

Yes

[left python]

Does anyone have problems when u join someone and ur lowkenuinely laggy because ur not host?

[floral peak]

For a time, since there’s backup gens

[rocky plover]

problem is it also unlocks the metal doors, which can either be a good thing or a bad thing depends on your approach

[floral peak]

Internet connection?

[rocky plover]

yea i think around 3 mins backup generator kicks in

[left python]

No whenever I join my friends my game feels less reactive

[floral peak]

Are your friends in same/near region as you?

[left python]

Fuh naw

[rocky plover]

it's quite normal depends on how ping you get - it's called lag/desync since it's P2P

[floral peak]

Here’s your answer

[winter pendant]

I imagine that overhauling all of this would be next to impossible to do iteratively, especially now that the game is fully released and on consoles and everything. Think there's a chance there's a whole separate test branch of ron where they're working on a new system?

[left python]

Alr

[floral peak]

Let’s say I join a man who plays in USA and I’m in EU

And ofc my ping gonna be big

Because of the distance

That’s normal Jesse

[rocky plover]

yea i was getting shot/killed before they fired on my screen yesterday when you were the host lol

[floral peak]

We can switch if needed

I was doing mostly alright when you was the host

And I think it would be better since you have more experience

[rocky plover]

but then you'll get the same problem as me, so either way 1 of us still has to deal with it, it's fine

problem is, i think these last 2 days it's been worse, cos before I was getting around 100-200 ms, now these 2 days I was having 300-400 and sometimes even connection interrupted lol which means 400+ i guess

[floral peak]

Connection interrupted is weird, I had it at 200 ping sometimes, or I had 800 ping (US host) and no interruption

[rocky plover]

that's weird

it was when you were seeing me teleporting or crouch walking when I wasnt even crouch walking lol

[floral peak]

Yeah

[molten prairie]

Changing the framework? Probably not. If they really wanna fix this using the tools they have at this point. They need to tone down the reaction/response time, add in a calculation to take care of distance and obstruction via a swap to a cone based vision model, tone down accuracy, especially while moving, alter the bullet trajectory models to respect rifle position, and add in suspect archetypes.

All of these could be added to the existing AI framework, it would just take some effort.

[winter pendant]

How do you know this? Do you have to decompile SWAT 4 to get into modding or is there source code or an API or something?

[molten prairie]

A lot of the code is in plain text in the files.

[floral peak]

This was already a problem on Hard Greased Palms and some other maps

[molten prairie]

Some of it you have to decompile though.

Example. In SWAT4.ini.

You can find the plaintext settings for all the AI and their archetypes.

[rocky plover]

this AI specifically on ANA on hard mode feels like 1.0 all over again though ngl

[molten prairie]

This includes their accuracy modifiers, morale, types of suspects, fear factors, the angle in which SWAT AI chuck flashbangs, everything.

All the little details that affect basic actions and behavior.

[winter pendant]

Thanks for taking the time to answer qs

[molten prairie]

I used to modify the SWAT 4 files to make my ideal experience. Toned up damage, toned up the degree in which suspects take hostages and barricade, made the AI more responsive, and toned up certain suspect archetypes to be more aggressive/erractic. Meanwhile I made the friendly AI less useless by altering the angle in which they chuck flashbangs and respond to threats to make them more equivalent to a real player.

[winter pendant]

And that was all doable in plaintext

[molten prairie]

Yeah,

It’s as simple as changing some values.

I just altered the angle in which the friendly threw grenades to be a bit higher.

So they would chuck things deeper into rooms.

[winter pendant]

There are games I'd be interested in modding but I don't know very much about engines or decompiling stuff

[short bough]

is this a mod or can i just do this to my game? i currently really dislike how the flashes usually land about 2 feet infront of me and my team and dont actually do anything to anyone deep in the room.

[molten prairie]

In RON?

[short bough]

yea

[molten prairie]

RON ain’t as easy.

Most of the files are not in plaintext.

[short bough]

i see

[winter pendant]

They broke the magic flashbang teleport this update

[molten prairie]

Was more so talking about Swat 4.

[short bough]

gotcha

Welp once i finish the entire game with atleast an A rating on all maps ill be overhauling the game with tons of mods and doing another play through in chronological order so if any of you have some must need mods, lmk!

[winter pendant]

There are still things SWAT 4 did better. They would wait for CS Gas to billow before clearing a room. If you queued a c2 breach, they would plant the c2 and wait for your go to blow it instead of waiting for your go to plant and blow it all at once.

They could mirror corners, not just under doors

[molten prairie]

Something I really want from SWAT 4 is deploy through doorways.

[winter pendant]

That is deeply missing yeah

[molten prairie]

You could have the AI deploy grenades through a door without clearing.

[winter pendant]

My band-aid hack is to queue the "hold" command

[molten prairie]

I have my default command for open doorways set to Stack Up.

[winter pendant]

Oh that makes sense

[molten prairie]

So after they chuck the nade, I just have them restack.

[winter pendant]

That is easier I should do that

But I also like queueing hold to prevent them from overpenetrating big rooms or past open doors

I wish they were better at room clearing. Sometimes they're decently pathed but it feels to me like they're very hamstrung by their pathing and poor timing

Like the fact that they still cross one at a time through double doors. It takes them so long

[sonic saddle]

Los suenos is a hyper representation of L.A. and California

[sonic sleet]

I can’t stand the ai not clearing properly and watching them get merked bc they walked by an open door and turned their back to it

[sonic saddle]

True..

[gritty coyote]

yes. big rooms with multiple entries are their doom.
Best I can do is giving them all shields. I can then hide behind them and immediately kill any emerging threats. If they start to go too far from where I would like, I will ask them to fall in.

it's like herding cats. There is some RNG involved. I have started using a shield myself to quickly check dead angles for threats.

using a shield means giving up the mirror gun, but it has allowed me to switch to a more active play style where I can quickly clear dead angles

the shield has also come in clutch in those stair areas where I would otherwise be very exposed. overall I quite like it

[junior drift]

I'm making a playlist called Ready or not: the movie

[tame garden]

You gotta use the AI more effectively, and order them every step of the way.

[tacit gull]

no

[deft star]

hi! was wondering if theres a useful pdf or website for ready or not's attachments cuz im still getting to know all of them
for example the diff between the green and red laser attachment. i dont remember the names for them yet

Plus why the need for different types of flashlights if they all illuminate the same?( Ithink)

[rocky plover]

lasers and flashlights function the same (apart from vis laser vs ir laser ofc), so they're personal preference to which ones you prefer

[gritty coyote]

Real life

[tacit gull]

whatever that means lmao

[tacit gull]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=1878248973#gid=1878248973

this should contain what you want

just word of warning that most attachments are useless/ have nothing to do with the stats they claim to add to the weapon

[hollow hill]

I didn’t know

Darn, so using a stock G3 with only a flashlight is just as good as a modded out one?

[gritty coyote]

You can test recoil by magdumping in shooting range. Attachments can shorten the recoil quite substantially

[tacit gull]

The vertical grip might help with some recoil but unless you're on hard it's gonna one tap most people to the body

[hollow hill]

Oh… so I shouldn’t mag dump three people with one 20 round mag?

[rocky plover]

he is mostly referring to the ones that say increases accuracy which actually does nothing, the ones that add or reduces recoil actually do a difference

[gritty coyote]

I have personally switched from the 7.62 one tap wonders to using 5.56 guns with low recoil like g36c on full auto.

The reason is the bastards who decide to run across the room while spraying on my team all of a sudden. Shooting auto with recoil control and spraying horizontally is how I catch them

[hollow hill]

Ohhhh

[rocky plover]

yeah, especially on hard mode tbh, since 7.62 has no advantage there

[hollow hill]

I have switched from 5.56 to deal with heavier armor

To 7.62

I just feel better about it idk why

[rocky plover]

for standard sure but for hard mode you're kinda crippling yourself imo

[gritty coyote]

No need for me. Full auto always does at least 2 or 3 shots on target. Anyone dies

[rocky plover]

exactly controlled bursts, and much easier to do with 5.56 or .300 than 7.62

[hollow hill]

Oh… I was playing the new America level on hard non stop

[ivory geyser]

G36c has low recoil?

[hollow hill]

Just have a better time with a battle rifle than a assault rifle in it

[rocky plover]

yup the least one infact from all AR's

[gritty coyote]

Yes. Easy to laser

[ivory geyser]

Polymer shortened rifle has less recoil than gas piston ar

Interesting

[rocky plover]

XD

[hollow hill]

But ye idk I feel better with a G3 on a new American in hard

Just a personal thing

[lost inlet]

real one knows SLR was the meta rifle back in early access.

[rocky plover]

well ye use what you're comfortable with

[hollow hill]

I have it stock with only a flashlight, a stab vest, maybe some flash bangs

And AP rounds

And a mirror gun

[ivory geyser]

Slr is really bouncy

[lost inlet]

stab vest in new america...?

[hollow hill]

Yeah

[ivory geyser]

Using stab vest over light armor is kinda not worth it

[hollow hill]

More ammo

I die instantly so fuck it

[rocky plover]

depends the extra slots are nice

[lost inlet]

stab vest straight up don't gives you any protection.

[hollow hill]

I know

I magdump and flash

[rocky plover]

you kinda die in 1 second anyways with even heavy full cov. steel XD

on hard mode

[lost inlet]

or you know, don't bring ammo for your pistol so you have more for your primary.

[rocky plover]

not always but ye most of the time

[ivory geyser]

With shield you gonna need the secondary ammo

[hollow hill]

I bring 9 mags, the rest on 9 bangers

[hollow hill]

No shield, mirror gun lol

[lost inlet]

bring m320 for more nade.

[ivory geyser]

It's really slow tho

If you get flanked you die

[lost inlet]

if you get flanked with stab vest, you'll die instantly on any difficulty bruh.

[ivory geyser]

True

[hollow hill]

I just been killed so quickly by them that I think that armor slows me down too much

[ivory geyser]

I mean that if they catch you empty m320 it's pretty much game over

[hollow hill]

No matter what armor

I ran another load out

15 mags of p90

Go brrrrrrrrr

[ivory geyser]

Fair ig they always shot hands and legs most of the times anyways

[hollow hill]

I actually had good luck with shotguns

[rocky plover]

lol that's too much mags

[hollow hill]

Never enough mags

[rocky plover]

also p90 gonna struggle against their L4 armor tbh

[hollow hill]

I SUMMON THE SWARM OF BEES!

[ivory geyser]

It has high firerate tho

[rocky plover]

yes, but will eat a lot of ammo until you're able to incap/kill them with blunt damage due to L4 armor, p90 with AP can only pen till L3 armor

[ivory geyser]

Imagine if they added m249 or m60 swat 4 had m249

[hollow hill]

Again 15 mags!

Hehehe

[rocky plover]

XD

[hollow hill]

BRRRRRRRRRRRR

[gritty coyote]

I love the bank mission. Short but intense

The other missions drag too long

[rocky plover]

good for PID training

[gritty coyote]

Ngl that's one part where AI teammates actually earn their keep

They ID and shoot at enemies in milliseconds

[velvet verge]

no OCE lobbies as usual

[mental ivy]

Does Look Acceleration also affect ADS movement or just regular cam movement?

And setting it to 1 gets rid of acceleration right?

[floral peak]

Sniper or not mod has it

[ivory geyser]

It's outdated tho

[fiery escarp]

If we EVER get PVP mode in RoN, it better have some fire spawn themes

[tacit gull]

It did have a cool jingle every time you spawn

[fringe lynx]

"resigned from duty" in commander mode means one officer pretty much died and i cant get "the hermit" achievment now?

also how the fuck bruh

all 4 of my officers were "content" when i went into the mission

[jolly verge]

No

[fringe lynx]

didnt know they can go from full morale to zero morale in one mission, i also have one SBAGS trait officer on the team

had*

[jolly verge]

Every single suspect was killed, right?

[jolly verge]

Useless trait

[fringe lynx]

uhh yeah other than two which ran and them got shot by their own guys

[ivory geyser]

LOL

[fringe lynx]

r we sure

i heard something about morale being important while doing the hermit

[tacit gull]

yeah but sbags doesn't do shit

[jolly verge]

The Dev watch*

[tacit gull]

just use a taser and take like 3 suspects in alive, that's basically all you need for the entire game

[jolly verge]

The Hermit does not care about officers resigns

[tacit gull]

oh my bad

[fringe lynx]

so uhh

the dev watch is just hermit but without any resigns either?

and its smth else than the hermit?

[ivory geyser]

Imagine if they made it so that you can get the watch only if you s rank all missions on ironman...

[rocky plover]

No kills and incaps for hermit
No kills and resigns for watch

[pale sparrow]

i wish there was a suspect mode

[jolly verge]

The Hermit - no KIA, no incaps and at least C grade on Port Hokan
The Dev Watch - no KIA and no resigns till the last mission

[pale sparrow]

with PvP

[rocky plover]

Shh don't give them new ideas

[fringe lynx]

so atp i should just restart, ok

[jolly verge]

Yes

[fringe lynx]

when im back in the station i cant undo my actions

[rocky plover]

I mean you can get the watch later on casual difficulty

[fringe lynx]

cool

[rocky plover]

If ya want

[ivory geyser]

Was it elephant

[fringe lynx]

valley of the dolls, none of my officers even took dmg bruh

[ivory geyser]

That's fucked up bruh

[fringe lynx]

all civs taken alive all suspects dead

no dmg taken

still go from "content" to resign

[jolly verge]

Elephant can't make officers resign unless you killed 2 or more civilians or did not arrest any alive after killing all suspects

[ivory geyser]

Did you killed voll by any chance

[fringe lynx]

i took him alive too lol

[ivory geyser]

Then idk tbh

[tacit gull]

elephant damages officer morale regardless of if it's done perfectly

[jolly verge]

No damage ≠ no stress

[fringe lynx]

i know

still fucked up from them to go from the highest morale status to resigning

[ivory geyser]

Have you killed suspects that have surrendered

[rocky plover]

Got really unlucky then cos I did ironman fully lethally and only had resigns after finishing port Hokan which didn't affect achievement or watch

[jolly verge]

Content isn't the highest morale, it's just a value between 0 and 0.19

[rocky plover]

But I always made sure to at least arrest 'some' suspects

Instead of killing every single one

[jolly verge]

So if they were at 0.19 it can make a difference

[fringe lynx]

its the highest in the way that the game wont show it to you more accurately

[ivory geyser]

You shall tell your story to everyone

[rocky plover]

Well basically pre flash on common spawns which gave me some free arrests here and there then it was pretty much kill everyone without hesitation to avoid getting killed myself

[jolly verge]

Or just use 2 Negotiators

[fringe lynx]

i couldnt get any good double trait tbh

[jolly verge]

Problem solved

[fringe lynx]

and i didnt want to fire officers cause i didnt know if that disables the hermit

[ivory geyser]

It doesn't work like that?

[rocky plover]

You could I just used traits that made more sense for my lethal approach

[jolly verge]

It does

[rocky plover]

Which negotiator didn't make much sense for my approach

[ivory geyser]

You can stack traits?

[rocky plover]

But you could

[fringe lynx]

also any gun reccomendation?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[rocky plover]

Yea most of them

[ivory geyser]

G3 or fal

[fringe lynx]

which is the g3? ga51?

yeah seems like it

[ivory geyser]

Isn't there longer one that is called g3a3

[fiery escarp]

G3A3

[fringe lynx]

b-but its a longer gun

[tacit gull]

its extra cag

[fringe lynx]

yeah it wont fix the issue i had with the 6.5 creedmor which is length

[fiery escarp]

Then grab the FAL

[tacit gull]

mfw i still haven't used the 6.5

[ivory geyser]

It's pretty good but 16 inch

[tacit gull]

like im all for the sr or an old m16 but that rifle just seems too dmr-y for a swat op

[jolly verge]

Which is JHP with stats from AP

[fringe lynx]

still 1 shot bodies some suspects

[fiery escarp]

6.5 for style points, 5.56 for effectiveness

[fringe lynx]

uhh what

[jolly verge]

5.56 🤮

[fringe lynx]

isnt 5.56 like a pretty weak bullet

[ivory geyser]

They should add ar10 on 762 nato

[jolly verge]

Yeah

[ivory geyser]

Hell naw

[jolly verge]

The only rifle caliber that can't go through the level 3A with JHP

[ivory geyser]

That's jhp for you

[surreal merlin]

does anyone know why my replay is blurred and has bad quality

[bitter mason]

How blurry
Is the camera apature setting too high

[worn dawn]

I need assistance, JHP and AP.
jhp is implying its very good against non armored targets and vice versa for AP but it feels like cartridge matters i.e X cartridge should be used with JHP rather than AP

[bitter mason]

Calibre does matter
A 9mm fmj won't do as well against armour as a rifle round

Jhp does best against none armoured targets and has higher bleed chance i believe

[worn dawn]

100%? Because someone said the 300 blackout JHP has an effect better than AP which is weird as hell

[bitter mason]

This has all the info you could need on things like ammo type
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=1878248973#gid=1878248973

[worn dawn]

I needed this

I S ranked and didnt know what else to be done

[glass heart]

the only thing ap has over jhp is it can pen l4 (in the case of 30 caliber rounds)

for all other armors jhp can pen them and it does more damage

[upper ridge]

I guess that explains why we're not seeing 10 more SWAT officers and only send 5 in?

[distant rose]

thats not about the calibre, its about 9mm being a pistol round

5.56 has a smaller calibre than 9mm but does better against armour as it is an intermediate cartridge

[bitter mason]

Well i never said small calibre bad big calibre good

[distant rose]

calibre matters for stopping power

not penetration (that much)

[bitter mason]

We are talking about in game not irl so
Pretty sure damage and penetration are based off the bullet calibre rather than anything more complex

[distant rose]

I don't think so, against armoured targets the Five Seven (in my experience at least) seems to perform better than the 1911

but yet again i havent looked in the game files so idk

[bitter mason]

What ammo does the five seven use

[distant rose]

5.7x28mm NATO

[bitter mason]

And isn't 45 different

[distant rose]

yes

[bitter mason]

So there you have it

[distant rose]

1911 uses .45 ACP and Five Seven uses 5.7x28

5.7mm < 0.45 inches btw

[bitter mason]

The bullets in game go off their own stats and that's what damage and penetration is

So all 5.56 guns do the same damage as one another and the same penetration

[distant rose]

irl the 5-7 is good against armour, which is why it is very controversial

being called a "cop killer" and allat

[distant rose]

i mean, they all have the same round so yeah

[bitter mason]

Yeah
Thats i was saying it depends on calibre
I'm just referring to the round the gun uses because that's how it works in game

[distant rose]

ah ok

[gusty marten]

MCCUU is actually a pretty good camouflage I won't lie

[obsidian garnet]

anyone got some good tips to deal with a new America? they're both very aggressive and very accurate

really hard to land a shot on them when they suppress you that fast...

[lost inlet]

some people think barrel length matters because of velocity and ballistic performance and what not. Rest assure, RoN doesn't have any of that and is quite basic on how bullets performs.

[obsidian garnet]

yeah its mostly big bullet = big damage

unless u got a suppressor too

[cedar mulch]

I reckon VOID is already working on PvP. Judging by the folders, there might be two more DLCs on the way.

[lost inlet]

suppressor don't affects the bullets in any way shape or form, it merely reduces stress gain by half and increase the total length of the gun.

[floral peak]

AI fixes DLC when

[lost inlet]

and vertical recoil control as well but not that noticeable.

[fiery escarp]

Ai fixes?

[lost inlet]

bold for you to assume void finds their AI is flawed in the first place.

[floral peak]

We need fixes of SWAT and suspects ai

[fiery escarp]

Y?

[gusty marten]

what happens if i open the suspiciously beeping package that very closely resembles a bomb

[floral peak]

SWAT ai is incredibly stupid and suspects sometimes too cracked

[gusty marten]

on 3 letter triad

[fiery escarp]

Nothing

Really, nothing

[gusty marten]

i feel like it'd explode and ive captured every suspect alive so im not gonna take the risk

[fiery escarp]

Btw does coffee give me any buffs?

I want to be forklift certified

[lost inlet]

no.

it used to long time ago.

[winter pendant]

Three espressos still gives you a speed boost in the lobby

I'm pretty sure it's still there... Maybe not as ridiculous as before

[lost inlet]

oh, they brought it back?

[winter pendant]

I think so

[lost inlet]

i remember they outright removed it from the game before the station got its third revamp.

[stone rivet]

they cooked with this DLC

[slow nexus]

Yeah I tried it a few months ago when I was achievement hunting and it didn't work for me, but it's possible they brought it back

[viral steeple]

best heavy hitter pistol?

[limber escarp]

Five Seven, or the s2011

[viral steeple]

its not mk V?

[limber escarp]

My bad I misunderstood, I thought by heavy hitting you meant something different

Yes the Mk V

[viral steeple]

I need it to beat them when they using high armour

what abt rifles?

[viral steeple]

i meant primary weapon

[limber escarp]

I personally don't recommend the Mk V unless you just want a handcannon for fun, you should use the Five Seven or s2011 with AP ammo, not JHP. Also, for rifles I recommend either the g36c, mk18, or the Mk1 if you have the supporter edition

Load them up with AP, or grab 2 mags of each and interchange depending on who you come into contact with

[coral tapir]

Is this MK1 thing a reskinned MK18 or does it perform entirely different?

[limber escarp]

It's entirely different

[coral tapir]

Ooooo

[limber escarp]

It has better Recoil, a bit more faster firing rate, and on boiling point I took down a few of the armored suspects with 2 shots with AP ammo

[viral steeple]

Supporter edition?

[limber escarp]

Yeah

[viral steeple]

guess i cant buy that?

[limber escarp]

No unfortunately not, Idk if void still does giveaways for it or not too

[viral steeple]

Ooof

thought i had all weapons

[fiery escarp]

Did EPG servers shit themselves and die again?

[limber escarp]

You might be missing like 2-3

[wraith basin]

I think its 3 weapons

[limber escarp]

Theres the entryman shotgun, MK1, and the handgun which I forgot

Plus the HRT shield and the cosmetics

[wraith basin]

PC19, yeah

[wraith basin]

I always forget that shield also is supporter edition one.

[limber escarp]

I wish they fixed our mandible, supporters havent gotten an update in a long time

[viral steeple]

😭 my RON just crash for no reason

[wraith basin]

I am pretty sure they wont be giving us anything else again :3 Soon free DLCs are going to cost too

[surreal merlin]

does anyone else have a bug where they equip a vest for the ai but in mission somehow they have another vest on them? i gave them modded ones and then in game they have the standard lspd black one or the normal heavy one. this bug also happens in the locker sometimes

[limber escarp]

Is the mod for the cosmetic of the vest or the vest itself

[surreal merlin]

its the vest itself

from rebel special forces mod

idk if i shouldve asked in modding chat but i asked here because i dont think its an issue with the mod

[silk spear]

If you mean the vest you choose in the apperence section then yeah the appearance of the vest changes sometimes when you're switching between different team members in the loadout selection. Easy fix is just switch to the Apperence tab again for that member and it'll auto load back in what you selected for cosmetics.

[haughty wing]

i finished RON on standard difficulty without any officer dying and i got the hermit archievement or whatever its called but i still cant access the ruined dev watch, anyone know why? can i fix it somehow?

I used some mods
alotta officers resigned but i got told that doesnt matter aslong as no one dies

[surreal merlin]

oh ok but in game sometimes he still gets another vest even after that but thanks

[silk spear]

Then that's probably the Mod then at that point cause that fix works for vanilla vests.

[lost inlet]

MKV or the USP.

[lost inlet]

5.7 AP if the the enemies is using lvl3 armor, it's the only pistol caliber that can pen lvl3 plates beside 4.6.

[jolly verge]

Taser, it hits them so hard they can't do anything for 8 seconds

[regal tundra]

If officers resign you wont get the watch

you'll get the achievement but not the watch

[naive marsh]

I ALMOST GOT B RANK ON MULTIPLAYER

AND I GOT POWER OUTAGE FUUUUCK

I was near courtroom

[lost inlet]

use AP, every AP rifle rounds can pen lvl4.

[haughty wing]

nice bro because am i a therapist?

dont join the swat team if you cant handle some blood

[naive marsh]

I had an amazing lobby

We cleared a new america easily for 2 times

And as always bro

And I killed like 10 suspect in a single room

Everything was going so smooth bru

Btw do I get badge for completing it in multiplayer

[obsidian garnet]

considering how shit los suenos is atm and the fact that they're always on call 24/7 i'm sure judge is the only insane person for never taking any mental health breaks/checks

anyways do y'all think boiling point s rank is worth it for the ending or do i just check youtube, i had a terrible 2 days just doing a new america 😭

[signal crow]

i still cant finish a new america duo 💀

[slate narwhal]

hey, does anyone know how I can join public mp lobbies?

[haughty wing]

Judge is a CIA clone, I don't care tho you're not fit for the team if you can't get over some deaths

[obsidian garnet]

i guess bro 🙄

[covert crane]

hello bueatiful people!

I got a quick question, it s related to spoilers from the last dlc.

basically, i saw a video of ||the speech the man with the green gloves gives to david while he is imprisoned. my question is simple, what accent does this man have? french? dutch? south african? i really cant tell. its somewhere from central or western europe right?||

[distant rose]

whats the best way to capture the guy alive in the hospital mission

because imma be honest i cannot tell him apart from the other npc's in the heat of battle

[rocky plover]

He's dressed in a patient gown, and is almost always in the MRI room or at least nearby that room

[distant rose]

aight thanks

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[floral peak]

He has more Asian accent

He is probably member of Green Dragon society

[jolly zodiac]

doing my iron man s rank runs, rn I got something going with Veteran, Nutritionist, and Pacifier, wondering if i should go armorer or negotiator for final slot? i was considering dropping veteran but the ai miss so much and im not trying to see them die because they cant hit a shot, was wondering if the trade off for both would be better than veteran as well

[opaque valve]

Negotiator’s are perfect for S runs. Somebody told me this here like a week ago and it’s been workin flawless since - 2 Negotiators & 2 Pacifiers.

Veteran’s are great for lethal runs, I think.

[rocky plover]

I would suggest:
2 negotiators and 2 pacifiers for S runs
1 armorer, 1 nutritionist, 2 veterans for lethal runs
2 negotiators, 1 armorer, 1 nutritionist also good as a hybrid mix

[atomic star]

I wonder when the SWAT AI will ever be fixed. I just can't get past it, it's terrible as a solo player 🙁

[toxic swallow]

does the game perform better in dx12 mode now or is dx11 still better

[coarse pelican]

they killed kimura 💔

now davis

[sleek dome]

Whoever said that you can stun a suspect running infront of you with a knife while hitting him with a Tasergun that was just a troll.

[gusty stag]

Does anyone know where the Evidence from the Hunger Strike mission is? I completed it with an S Rank but I have spent 5 minutes searching for it in the Evidence Locker but cant find the evidence from the mission.

[rocky plover]

Depends on your hardware (my old setup ran better on dx11 but my new setup runs better on dx12)

[coarse pelican]

are there any achievements for getting s rank on every mission

[rocky plover]

Yea

[onyx swift]

Ayo Faaskee, long time no see

[rocky plover]

Medal of Valor for the base game missions and then there's dlc specific ones

[coarse pelican]

alright but can i replay missions and get s rank and itll still count?

[onyx swift]

yes

[rocky plover]

Ofc

[jolly zodiac]

you cant get s rank if you incap someone with c2 right?

[sleek dome]

Yes, hello fellow officer

[coarse pelican]

for s rank you can’t kill any suspects right?

[gray terrace]

I have a question about the "The Hermit" achievement. Does officers leaving due to stress count as "loosing a officer"? I want to try ironman but i am scared of loosing progress because an officer quit.

[rocky plover]

Check if they really are Incapped/dead because most of the time they are knocked out or faking death with c2

[onyx swift]

No incaps either, outside of C2’s social case

[coarse pelican]

well shit

[onyx swift]

C2 doesn’t actually kill/incap Suspects, they get back up after an arrest

They’re “faking” it on hit

[rocky plover]

But be careful with civilians with c2 because it's easier killing civs than suspects due to lower health

[coarse pelican]

so should i use the beanbag shotgun

[onyx swift]

You’re good with using C2 for S Ranks

[sleek dome]

I love Mirrorgun

[rocky plover]

M32A1 flash launcher if you have it, if not beanbag (pepperball guns are meh) imo

[sleek dome]

Free walls

[onyx swift]

Agreed

[coarse pelican]

i might have it

[onyx swift]

Flashbang Launcher is the most OP, then Beanbag is the go-to otherwise

[rocky plover]

Check primary -> launcher section

[onyx swift]

same

[jolly zodiac]

should i give one of my ai the flash launcher for s ranks? rn i got 2 peppers 2 beanbags and i run a beanbag

[onyx swift]

I only ever take it off for achievements that need other Tacticals

[worn dawn]

Yes, because you lost the said officer and he has resigned

[onyx swift]

absolutely

[rocky plover]

Only time id pick beanbag over flash launcher is cos of ammo economy for very big maps especially if I'm solo without AI

[onyx swift]

Unless something in this update changed, give them 1 Flashbang ammo only

And then the TRPL pistol

[jolly verge]

No it doesn't, only the dev watch require no resigns

[sleek dome]

A New America the Terrorists are just ignoring your Flash launcher so much xD in a row

[rocky plover]

You can actually give them 0, cos it already has 1 full drum by default

[jolly zodiac]

why only one? no need for more?

[rocky plover]

Because 1 mag = infinite mags for AI

[onyx swift]

^

[onyx swift]

oh alright

[jolly zodiac]

i never had this info. dude i give my ai 4 mags minimum

[onyx swift]

I heard it was to give them only 1 before, but if that works too then it’s better

[jolly zodiac]

well good comms fellas 😭

[gray terrace]

good to know. THX (u 2 @worn dawn )

[wide verge]

This has been a game changer

[onyx swift]

Replace all those mags with Wedges and C2

[rocky plover]

Only for the launcher works with 0 mags because it already has a free 'mag' for other guns need to give them at least 1 mag

[wide verge]

Which optics do you guys use?

[sleek dome]

wtf? i never knew this

[onyx swift]

makes sense

[rocky plover]

Yea they still run out of ammo and reload but they don't run out of mags

[onyx swift]

Yeah, a long time ago when LSS released I got a tip to use only 1 ammo for all SWAT AI with the M32A1s

And that works, but 0 extra ammo working too is great

[rocky plover]

Rmr for pistols, sro for shotguns and some smgs, 510c or exps3 for rifles and some smgs

[sleek dome]

And the fact my Swat AI has a better vision than i do when it comes to long range shooting

[wide verge]

Is there a way to force swat ai to use their secondary? Even with 0 primary mags they seem to use it

[onyx swift]

Just make sure you also use a Launcher or Beanbag, for the Suspects who shoot first before SWAT AI chooses to

[rocky plover]

They shouldnt use primary with 0 primary ammo I think

[wide verge]

The 510c gets slightly blocked by the peq laser sometimes

[onyx swift]

They often don’t shoot the Launchers until yelling for compliance first

Despite how doing so wouldn’t give a penalty to shoot on sight

[jolly zodiac]

sinuous trail time yippie

[rocky plover]

True I switched most of my weapons from 510c back to the exps3 due to having peq and flashlight now

But the ones that have laser instead of a peq I kept with 510c

[sleek dome]

Man ngl i just shoot at everything that moves. I still got used to the other heisting game, but nvm. I gotta get used to it. There was a civilian running at me and he's last word was: ''Thank god the co-'' Literally thought it was a suspect with a knife running at me

[jolly zodiac]

do yall go roof first on sinuous or is that just me

[wide verge]

510c and eotech are similar anyways. I use the t2 the most

[rocky plover]

I go right side exterior first then roof

[wide verge]

I go right side first then roof entry

[rocky plover]

Lol same

[wide verge]

It makes sense

[jolly zodiac]

hey same lmfao

[wide verge]

If there's an option, clear from top to bottom

Sins of the father I always go roof

On lawmaker I prioritize 3rd floor since intel would tell you that hostages are most likely held there

[coarse pelican]

i just unlocked sinuous trail

and died immediately

[fast mantle]

Would you guys say that D-Platoon is City SWAT or County SWAT?

Seeing that they go past the city limits, I'd say county SWAT

But their PD is in city

Void please give us more navy blue clothing

[warm anvil]

I think it's Metro Swat so "City SWAT"

[fast mantle]

Ok ty

[spare depot]

God why is Relapse so annoying

[final jacinth]

D Platoon is LSPD SWAT.

[glass heart]

definitely city swat

[fast mantle]

Interestingly enough, LAPD has used the 416 for many years, but has swapped to a new rifle. The ARWC seems to match this new rifle very closely

Also, in the early 2000s, the LAPD SWAT adopted the Kimber Custom II 1911

But in more recent times, they've swapped to the FN 509 MRD-LE, which also just so happens to be in the game

Now how do I screenshot without RoN exploding

Ive also learned that Real SWAT doesnt use a Mirror Gun like we do in game

They also do use explosive to breach doors sometimes, but not on the same level used in RoN

[solemn patio]

Why are the guys with the m16a4s firing in full auto

Isnt the m16a4 3rb

[glass heart]

a proper breach wont disintegrate the door, it will be just enough to destroy the lock and let the team make entry

the breaches seen in ron have wayyyy too much explosive material in them

[fast mantle]

Correct

I love doing research on SWAT stuff

Very enjoyable

[fast mantle]

I was this fucking close to S ranking the yacht mission without using less than lethals, but the mf issued the kill command just before we arrested him. People weren't being killed, so I thought it was chill, but the last guy is capping civilians

[ember sonnet]

are gas canister in all 3 boiling point dlc maps?

[regal tundra]

yes

[ember sonnet]

no wonder why i died in a new america

better keep my gas masks then

[rocky plover]

Not really needed tbh

[regal tundra]

Yeah but in both the bank, and a new america, they only go off via traps or if they get shot

[rocky plover]

I didn't use the gas mask for any of the maps tbh

[smoky moss]

pretty sure the amusement part is fine too if you just open the doors first

park

[regal tundra]

Yea you can just wait it out

although i guess for arguments sake, gas mask could be useful to get through the areas quickly since its an active shooter situation

and hostages start dying in like 90 seconds

[unkempt granite]

can i order my swat team with a breach shotgun to shoot a corner of a wooden door?

[ember sonnet]

i died in ANA because (i think) a suspect shot a gas canister near me

[regal tundra]

Yeah it can happen

[slow nexus]

does anyone know if you can use a gas mask for the my eyes it burns achievement

[glass heart]

no they can only shoot the hinge

any other deployment of the breaching shotgun can only be done by real people

[unkempt granite]

that sucks

[gritty coyote]

I finished Lawmaker with grade A. Without realizing it, I was actually playing on Hard instead of Standard (I thought I had changed the setting).
Feeling low-key proud of myself.
All I really did was changing from Mirror Gun to Shield and equipping all my AI team with shields. Gave up the wallhacking but can respond to any active threats.

[unkempt granite]

but atleast they're really useful with optiwand

so i can just bring breach

[rocky plover]

Ofc not, how else you gonna take gas damage then?

[slow nexus]

yeah dumb question

just got it tho so we are good. In some youtube video I was watching some guy was running one so I was wondering if u could lol

[spare depot]

So what are the requirements for "I'm too old for this"

[unkempt granite]

just complete on hard really

[spare depot]

What about the mission objectives?

Complete all of them?

[unkempt granite]

i don't really know

but i'm assuming it's just to complete

if you wanna be safe just s rank everything

[regal tundra]

You have to complete all primaries

[spare depot]

Oh cool.

[regal tundra]

including soft objectives

ranking doesn't matter though

Just keep an eye on your achievement progress after every mission to make sure its going up by 1

[spare depot]

So tick the boxes

[regal tundra]

Yeah, so like the most common issue you'll have is either a civ will die which voids the "rescue all civs" objective

Or, you might have a suspect that you need to take alive die like Qadamah

then you just have to restart cuz it wont count for the achivement

You dont have to pick up all the guns though, and losing officers is fine too

[spare depot]

Cool

[regal tundra]

in fact, in quickplay your officers can complete the mission for you if you happen to be REALLY close to the end

even if you die

[spare depot]

Speaking of dead, i turned back for one second and got shot

[short bough]

i really dislike twisted nerve

[ember sonnet]

That mission gives me the creeps

[fast mantle]

Are there really only 4 rows of mods in game? Do i have to go to nexus for everything else

[smoky grotto]

yes almost everything is on Nexus

[fast mantle]

Mm

Also disappointed on how few Swat 4 maps there were. I thought there were more

[smoky grotto]

yea I couldnt find alot of maps ngl.
most of the mods are AI

only 20 maps I think

[short bough]

its incredibly annoying esp when my guys just headshot everyone when i need to arrest them and then you get usain bolt coming through a half open door to oneshot you with a kitchen knife 15 minutes into your perfect run

ides of march is annoying too, just spent an hour trying to get an A rating, cant simply because none of them ever surrender even if i shoot them twice to the vest they alwaysd end up faking it and shooting back

i swear getting more than 2 guys to surrender is impossible most times

[empty hull]

Twisted nerve isn’t really bad, but the tunnels are miserable

Relapse is by far the worst

[upper ridge]

Question. Do higher caliber firearms like Battle rifles intimidate more on suspects?

Say if i use SA-58 OSW and the MK-V pistol and shoot near a suspect. Would they more easily give up than if i were to use 9mm guns like the MP5 and the Glock?

Or is this not a thing?

[regal tundra]

i think all gunshots affect morale the same

furthermore they must either hit or be a within 1m miss to affect morale

[upper ridge]

1m miss? that close?

[regal tundra]

Yes

[upper ridge]

You mean from the point of shooting or where the projectile lands?

[regal tundra]

i think its the path of the hitscan

within 1m of the bullet

[upper ridge]

hitscan? aren't they projectiles?

i think you mean their trajectory

[fast mantle]

3 letter triad, 1st attempt, A rank

[regal tundra]

Nah everything is hitscan

except for beanbag and nades

[crude prism]

RoN uses hitscan except for a few things like throwables, beanbags, pepperball, and 40mm launchers

[upper ridge]

For real? Damn that's disappointing

[regal tundra]

the engagements are so CQB i dont kno wif it matters anyway tbh

[upper ridge]

Yeah, i guess, that's a fair assumption

[crude prism]

I mean velocity would make SMGs/handguns even worse and add in extra calculations that would bear little-to-no importance in gameplay at the cost of frames because of the ranges we play at

[upper ridge]

but for such a realistic game i thought they would use actual projectiles

(like we see in so many milsim games like A3)

[upper ridge]

Yeah i guess that makes sense. Though as a programmer myself i dont think projectiles cost that much performance if coded properly.

[crude prism]

"coded properly" and "ready or not"

[upper ridge]

Not suggesting that they should implement projectiles, just saying

[upper ridge]

lmao

sum that up with UE5 being an unoptimized mess as well

Did the game used to run better back when it ran in UE4?

[crude prism]

Eh(?)

I can say it used to run way worse back in the day, when they were giga pumping graphics during the NDA days to the point where it was genuinely unplayable

[regal tundra]

the original UE5 switch was pretty rough

[crude prism]

yeah there seemed to be a lot of hardware and frame gen issues

[regal tundra]

and balding officers

so many fucked up hair textures

[upper ridge]

That's UE5 for you all. Its a mess of an engine

(That hair texture thing you mentioned is a very common problem in UE5 games, like E33 and Chained Together)

[fast mantle]

The game runs amazingly for me. I have a 4050 with 6 GB VRAM. I have Post Processing, anti-aliasing, vfx quality, and ambient occlusion on medium because I don't see enough of a difference on high to run it. With DLSS frame gen and on quality im hitting 100+ fps

Everything else is on high. I even have bounce lighting and pos on