👮ron-discussion

[fiery escarp]

Olympus OTP looks a lot like Gorka

[sonic sleet]

How’d you finally get it? Good RNG and luck lmao?

[fringe lynx]

oh my god this ai

"deploy 9-bang" > runs exactly where i told him to throw the grenade> faces a wall support while being shot at> throws the grenade under his feet> epic play, now give me a purple star or something mr judge

oh yeah he also walked thru a tripwire

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I fucking got hard S tier and was hoping programmed psychosis might be a little easier bc you get lethal but nah they’re still on crack

[fringe lynx]

are there any missions, other than the last big port one, which have a use for the longer guns with magnified optics?

thats like

not doing anything

wtf bruh

what missions are gonna be mildly hard for the hermit achievment?

[rustic quartz]

blahaj in ready or not (the gay/trans shark idol)

[fringe lynx]

im currently on the ides of march mission and had no problems till now

[rustic quartz]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[fringe lynx]

just predict the enemies "brutal"

[sonic sleet]

What platform are you on

[fringe lynx]

just crouch walk everywhere

or shift walk wtv its called

does ANA also have drywall everywhere

[sonic sleet]

No

[fringe lynx]

atleast that

[fiery escarp]

Godam Elephant, half an hour of hide and seek with the students, all my officers are stressed now lol

[sonic sleet]

Best way is the flash launchers they don’t get as stressed

[vale zephyr]

question: what type of music would judge listen to

[fringe oxide]

They automatically will get stressed

Even if you s rank they will be stressed

[tall palm]

No music he just stares at the wall in his free time

[fringe oxide]

Nothing

[hazy token]

def listens to the ost on repeat

[rustic quartz]

how do i open the vault in the bank mission?
i already got the keycard from the dead police guy and saw the board in the server room, what now

[rustic quartz]

100% 1970s rock music
or heavy metal, hard to tell

[fiery escarp]

Figured that

[rustic quartz]

nvm got it

[toxic viper]

general question because i really want to use the elcan and atacr: when i use those optics, the pip quality sucks, to the point where i can't make up what im looking at rendering the scope generally useless, i dont have that issue on the 1x sights though, is there any fix to this?

[jolly verge]

None, optics in this game are useless in general imo

[rustic quartz]

Son 😭😭😭😭😭

sorry, you're NOT ready

[toxic viper]

its just crazy pixelated when scoped in

[rustic quartz]

how do i get the broken handcuff thing

[fiery escarp]

He's right, you know

Most of the time you face enemies in CQB

[toxic viper]

yeah but regardless if i want to use a 1-4 or 1-12x scope i should be able to

[urban mural]

Detonate the trigger instead of disarming the vip.

[rustic quartz]

do i have to keep the vip alive

[urban mural]

I think so.

[rustic quartz]

oh ok

[silk spear]

Yes. VIP is using a "Deadman's switch" mechanic so that if he dies, the detonation will occur.

[fringe oxide]

Learned that the hard way

(Twice)

[silk spear]

Guess you can say you.....were not ready. 😎

[fringe oxide]

[rustic quartz]

i see...

[spare depot]

Hey there

[night shore]

ragdoll mod is so funny

[cedar knot]

Does JHP and AP affect the damage dealt on enemies?

[fiery escarp]

Neon Tomb, my own AI teammate shot me in the back of the head for shooting a terrorist

[fiery escarp]

AP is for piercing armor, and JHP for dealing more damage to unarmoured meat

[night shore]

ive never used JHP for anything

[cedar knot]

okay, also is it normal for the ai to shoot through 8 inch steel?

[night shore]

that might just be a slight issue of skill

[cedar knot]

bro

This ai shot me through a steel balcony

[night shore]

it's up to you to be better son

[cedar knot]

he wasnt even near me

[night shore]

bob and weave even though its hitscan

[glad dune]

Clipping ready or not with metal??

[fiery escarp]

No idea how thick that is, sorry

[cedar knot]

i crashed out and shot every civilian

[dusky stump]

happens to the best of us

[tall juniper]

i love ironman mode

[still laurel]

servers down?

[fiery escarp]

Fun fact: in Buy Cheap, Buy Twice there is a video with a projection on the wall, where a russian fairy tale is played

[cedar knot]

i dont understand how I die to one smg round when i took 556 with heavy armor and didnt have any red on my gui thing

[fiery escarp]

It just works

[worn bridge]

Something about bullet placement blah blah blah basically deal with it ready or not hates you

💔

[fringe oxide]

British

[fringe oxide]

I dont like this emote

[spare depot]

What is a good SMG

[fringe oxide]

None

[spare depot]

Can't find that option

Also good to know

[dusky stump]

mp7's one of the best

shreds through med armor and has a decent mag capacity

[fringe oxide]

Are you russian?

[spare depot]

Recoil... Is horizontal recoil side to side or up and down?

Infact, what is Horizontal recoil in general

[fringe oxide]

Side side

[spare depot]

Cool

[fringe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-rat-gif-10935865205194655314

Would i get banned if i tagged the mods just to say hi

Check on how their day is goin m shi

[fiery escarp]

Yeah. It was quite funny, I thought I was hearing voices lol

[fringe oxide]

Why

[fiery escarp]

Well, I wasn't expecting native speech in this game, given there's only one dub available

Kek

What?

[fringe oxide]

If i explain the joke its no longer funny

[fiery escarp]

Eh I'm not big into references, sorry

[fringe oxide]

(Was my grammar decent tho?)

[fiery escarp]

Ah, now I get it

I think I also saw that one

[fiery escarp]

It's entry level, but anyone that isn't stoopid as me would probably figure out an approach in no time. You're doing good

[fringe oxide]

Hooray!

How is your english good?

[fiery escarp]

Is it really? Dunno, I am self-taught I'd say, learned trough communicating with strangers online

[fringe oxide]

How in the fuck are you self taught in that level

[fiery escarp]

🍤

[eternal ledge]

Are the servers cooked rn because why is it so unbelievably laggy

[eternal geyser]

Is there still a way to check what maps have counted for the S tier achiement in the code? or is it just a guessing game right now

[unkempt granite]

are there traps on home invasion???

[fringe oxide]

True

[jolly fractal]

Guess

[spare depot]

So....... I have a suspect infront of me past this gated door, and they are aiming a gun at said door

[hollow nova]

how do i get the bad ending on ana for s tier?

[fringe oxide]

Shoot the door

[fringe oxide]

Blow up everything

[spare depot]

I accidentally pressed D

And they are gone

[fringe oxide]

Odd

[hollow nova]

do i blow everything up as soon as i get to the trigger

[fringe oxide]

Alhamdullah

[night shore]

no

i hate maps with traps tbh

[spare depot]

How effective is Gas compared to stinger grenades/ flashbangs

[night shore]

absolute shit

[eternal geyser]

Thanks? i guess?

[mint imp]

why is the AI programmed to not shoot back at suspects actively killing them?

im sick of the AI choosing to stand still in the open and not shoot back ruining my S ranks

[spare depot]

Why does the stairs to the basement don't have doors in carrier of the vine.
I mean, if someone climbs over the fence, they get a free enterance into the building

[turbid sluice]

Because it’s their property idk

The real question is why does the MK16 (which uses a short stroke piston system) have an M4 style buttstock with a buffer tube?

[mint imp]

does this server have a suggestion box? for things like allow the ai to take a step to the left and walk around me if there is space. a command that tells the ai "are you going to move?" when theyre in the way. and for achievements can they provide all the criteria to meet them?

[spare depot]

The teammate bots somehow manged to kill a civilian in a crossfire

Ruined my B rank

A trained SWAT unit

[lost inlet]

I mean, it’s possible irl so boid added it in.

[mossy bloom]

does the years of experience matter on the AI? even in the slightest?

[warm gate]

Nope

Just some lore they give to your guys to flesh them out more

[mossy bloom]

bet thanks

[warm gate]

Youre welcome

[night jewel]

Do AI SWAT Follow your map drawing?

[lost inlet]

no.

they follows you or where you ordered them to be.

[unkempt granite]

You can draw on the map???

[night jewel]

:<

[night jewel]

Yup yup, perfect for clearing the Squids inside buildings

[unkempt granite]

Wdym squids???

[blazing shoal]

lol

oh hell nah the next mission on my playthrough is sins of the father

[dusky light]

[red drum]

Good luck

[last dawn]

think of it like the slide to the right song

[lofty kernel]

Are standard mode suspects also being looked into for reaction times or just hard mode?

[rigid ridge]

Can you just shoot the trigger man on A New America, after jamming the explosives? Or does he need to be taken alive

[zinc lantern]

alive. killing him will set the bombs off

[rigid ridge]

Ty. Close to programmed psychosis here

[icy walrus]

It's called a deadman switch because it activates if the man dies

[zinc lantern]

he'll pretty much surrender the moment you yell at him; then you'll need to cuff him and disarm his vest

[rigid ridge]

Does he give you a split second if I accidentally peak him? Or is he just fast asf

[urban mural]

What is bash?

[rigid ridge]

B

[urban mural]

He doesn't have to see you at all, you need activate the signal jammer first.

[chrome vault]

Hold crouch button

[last dawn]

bash is b i think

[chrome vault]

How many attempts did it take anyone who got the big shell specialist achievement?

[last dawn]

most people do it on leviathan on helipad spawn and just wait for targets to roam the lower platforms

[rigid ridge]

I got Programmed Psychosis

🙂

[low anvil]

I need help I cannot decide on a primary rifle what should I choose

[nimble flicker]

Gun

[low anvil]

Thank you

[nimble flicker]

[low anvil]

I will replace my sticks for guns now ty

[fierce vigil]

Anyone have any advice for s ranking greased plams on commanded mode 😭 i went in and two of my guys got hit with a fireing squad forcing a soft reset of the game

[fierce vigil]

I like the 6.5 creedmore rifle its a one and done if u hit anything centermass and above

[low anvil]

thank you very much very much appreciated

[fierce vigil]

Sr-25 6.5 creedmore normal m4 mpx submachinegun

Its all personal pref

[low anvil]

Thank you

[fierce vigil]

Ofc

[dawn solstice]

ye this games loadouts are entirley personal prefference what you like everything can work

[cedar mulch]

That isn’t an SR25

[knotty ridge]

Are there only 3 commander mode slots?

[floral peak]

Yes

[valid raven]

I noticed a lot of people don’t check hard corners

[knotty ridge]

aw that's unfortunate

[floral peak]

Yeah, imagine them playing ANA

[valid raven]

ANA?

[floral peak]

They will get destroyed a lot

A New America mission

[valid raven]

Oh, I don’t have the DLC so I can’t play that

I mean, I can’t host it

The thing about it is that when you open the door you don’t enter the room unless you have to

[floral peak]

Sad, the BP is by far the best DLC

[valid raven]

so like once, you clear all soft corners, you check hard corners

if it’s empty ok fine but if you don’t check them, a suspect may use that to ambush you by jumping around the corner

Better you do it to much than not enough

I remember playing with somebody that just kept shotgun in all the doors and rushing in i got really irritated by that because they didn’t even try to subdue

But they admitted they were a little drunk

[ivory geyser]

Mcx is pretty good ngl low recoil and high ergo

[tardy forum]

anybody else experience a bug where you have no hud at the station?

[low anvil]

ty

[onyx swift]

well well well, didn't expect to see you here too

I did have that same bug apply to me a few times though

[wide verge]

I like the 416. SR16 is good for bigger maps, it's a bit long for CQB but great otherwise

[tardy forum]

its cuz I've had the bug os many times but I never found anything related online

[onyx swift]

Yeah, I don't know what specifically causes it either

Sometimes happened and usually didn't

[cold turret]

Guys to get to Judge's flat after S ranking new America do i have to do that in singleplayer commander mode only?

[hollow finch]

.308 or .300blk are the best without question

[mystic palm]

Quick play or commander mode to get the accesories

[ivory geyser]

12 gauge....

[hollow finch]

its niche but has its uses

overall .300 or .308 are the best

[next lynx]

Ok so, I just got the devs ruined watch, but no achievement?

Like, niether of the ironman achievements

[hallow bronze]

did you have any mods installed?

[glad dune]

Should i try the heat is on achievement

[hollow finch]

that one isnt too bad

no armor/helmet. I did it with 1 friend

[surreal merlin]

how can i change a teammate's focus during a stack up like i want 3 guys on the door and one looking back but theres always 2 looking back

[hexed flame]

Ayo if i s rank new america i get a watch?

[hollow finch]

yeah. Its hidden ish in the apartment where you have to interact with it

[hexed flame]

Can i teleport there in casual mode?

I detonated the building in casual and i got the broken cuff

And i teleported to prison

So ill try it

Oh my god its going to be a long day

Long long day

[hollow finch]

yes. Same as the cuff+devil tattoo but instead you need S rank

[hexed flame]

Devil tatoo?

I get it when i get s rank?

Or when i detonate the building

[hollow finch]

no for the prison ending you get the cuff and a tattoo if you interact with drawing on the table

[velvet verge]

WHERE IS TH NEW DLC!!

[hollow finch]

if you s rank you can find the watch and a duality tattoo by interacting with everything in judges apartment

[hexed flame]

So youre telling me that i dont have it

Oh my

[smoky brook]

Did anything cool get announced at the community expo?

[hearty portal]

Hi

[fierce vigil]

I was naming the guns

[hexed flame]

Already died

Goddamn ir traps

Im so bad😭😭

[tulip prawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1ses9wb/baked_lighting_vs_lumen_unreal_engine_57_update/

[hollow finch]

i mean even then there isnt an sr25

you meant the 5.56? sr16

[fierce vigil]

Pretty sure there isnsomething close to it

I play a lot of tarky so if it looks close to it i call it that

[pure veldt]

We do have a sort of SR-25 but it's not really because it's not by KAC

[hexed flame]

Oh my god

Why mlo is a bunch of john wicks

With 50ms reaction time

S ranking hard mode will be almost impossible

[hollow finch]

which one?

the sr25 is a pretty specific platform hybrid between ar10/15

[hexed flame]

Is there any bug that allows me to teleport to that apartament without s rank new america?😭😭

[pure veldt]

Well obviously the RTWC 6.5 since it's an Armalite pattern Battle Rifle, just like the SR-25

[wide verge]

The rtwc is the wilson combat recon tactical in real life. Not a SR25 in any way. Different caliber obviously. DMR role is the similarity

[stable remnant]

How make soft objectives and make achievement "by the book"?

[pure veldt]

For by the book you just gotta do nothing for a whole mission and let your team do the work

[stable remnant]

my team (ai) cannot report soft objectives (e.g. find weapon factory in ends of the earth)

[pure veldt]

Weapon factory is in the attic and your next soft objective is in one of the sons bedrooms, the messy one specifically, where there is a money bag

You technically don't gotta let em do all the work you just can't fire a shot during the mission if I recall

[stable remnant]

YESSSS it work

ty very much

[pure veldt]

Of course

[hexed flame]

Yeah im done with playing new america with bots

Fuckass unrealistic mission

[frail pond]

They‘re so delayed

[frail pond]

The storey-difficulty is unrealistic

[hexed flame]

Like im not hating or something i know im bad at this game but

[frail pond]

Nah allg gng that mission jus hard asf

[hexed flame]

Wdym american isis took over the building and they are trying to explode another without any tactical point

[frail pond]

They‘re jus tryna take over important city parts to attack the state

[hexed flame]

Why national guard is just chilling in their barracks😭😭

[frail pond]

Yh there‘s really none they‘re straight up slaughtering civs to chill in the building with full on metal armor and 762s

[hexed flame]

And ready or not is like okay they are extremely dangerous, with guns, jammers, explosives, boats, lot of ammo, ir traps and shit

So lets send 5 local swats

[frail pond]

Lmfao it‘s actually weird shouldn‘t there be multiple entrances including the rooftop

[hexed flame]

Yeah or like snipers and shit

[frail pond]

Would‘ve sent helis and ground troops

[hexed flame]

Would love to see snipers in this game

[frail pond]

Some sniper missions for sure with moving from spot to spot

But the weapons are also either completely ass or overpowered

Compare the .357 to the M45

[hexed flame]

Yea

And it might be hot take and controversial opinion

But boiling point is pretty much a fail, i understand theres a lot of action but

Like what is going to happen in next dlc

[hexed flame]

We are going internetional and raid spider🙏🥀

[bitter mason]

D platoon jumps a shark in the next one I hear

[hexed flame]

Like imo dplatoon became pretty much weird mix of local swat and fbi hrt

[bitter mason]

Ready or not x Team Rainbow in the next dlc trust me

[frail pond]

Fuckin hell

I‘d love some kind of army missions

At least boiling point is more of a tactical challenge than the others

Excluding the hospital

[bitter mason]

Bleh

[hexed flame]

Id like to see more tccc/tecc in the game

Right now if you get shot you just put on tourniquet and after youre like nothing ever happens

[frail pond]

Wym „more“ there isn‘t any 😭

[hexed flame]

Technically putting tourniquet is already tccc/tecc idk which one police units use

[tacit gull]

judge new operator

his ability is drawing on his fuckass tablet

[frail pond]

Well it‘s pretty unrealistic if you get shot in your chest and you wrap stuff around your arm twice

[frail pond]

😭😭😭

[hexed flame]

Yeah id like to see something like evacuating our buddy or something

[frail pond]

Yea just make the game hyperrealistic please

[hexed flame]

Is this metaphore?

[frail pond]

Genuinely not

[hexed flame]

Alright

[frail pond]

Some mechanics are pissing me off but it‘s still a really good game

[hexed flame]

Yeah still the best tactical game in the world imo

[bitter mason]

I never thought the game needs any medical system or reviving
Team just needs to be a bit squishier and suspects generally less trigger happy

[frail pond]

Fs

The mate‘s alw blocking doors and then tell me to step out the way

[tacit gull]

ron is way too fast paced for a medical system

[hexed flame]

But basic medical help like

[frail pond]

Not much of a „system“ just something better to organize

[tacit gull]

get shot = health goes down is good enough

[hexed flame]

Evacuating somebody, putting a tourniquet, or idk how police units do it

[tacit gull]

the bandaging system is fucking stupid too

[hexed flame]

In the middle of the action

[bitter mason]

But one thing I would like is to be able to stop suspects bleeding out if you arrest them before they die

[hexed flame]

F evacuate, drag him
Then F put on tourniquet
Then F idk call medevac or something

[tacit gull]

yeah if you arrest them within the 4 fucking seconds the bleeding non mechanic is happening

[bitter mason]

Ive had moments where they totally could have been saved

[tacit gull]

I remember swat 4's incap system had something like that

either that or i'm schizo

where if you dont report an incap long enough they might turn up dead

[bitter mason]

In SEF injuried civilians around the map would die if you didn't report them in time

[tacit gull]

ah

[bitter mason]

You'd lose out on some points but wouldn't be punished hard

[tacit gull]

i've never had it be a problem thankfully

not like the bullshit on elephant or any active shooter map in this game

yacht in particular

[hexed flame]

What do you guys think of door blaster in ready or not

[bitter mason]

Which one is the door blaster

The breaching gun or ram

[hexed flame]

Its like a hydraulic press which is ment to put pressure on the door

[bitter mason]

Oh

Id like more breaching tools
I really wish they added the pry bar they scrapped

[tacit gull]

maybe in the next 4 years

and its just a sidegrade to the lockpick gun

[hexed flame]

Would be cag and cooler

[bitter mason]

Yeah
I'm sure they could make the breaching tools more nuanced

Like idk making it so the c2 is actually lethal if detonated too close to someone on the other side

[tacit gull]

the c2 is the only breaching tool that actually does something

[bitter mason]

It's op

[tacit gull]

its not that good, its just at max 1 free suspect arrest for the cost of a flashbang

[bitter mason]

Suspect infront of the door? Easy arrest just c2 him

[tacit gull]

it doesn't do anything if the suspect isnt 1 ft away from the door

[ivory geyser]

Imagine if they added c4

[bitter mason]

It's got a bigger explosion effect than the one in swat 4 and is somehow less lethal

[hexed flame]

Imagine if they added artillery support

Oh you know what i want to see?

[bitter mason]

The day they add anything like frag grenades is the day ron has truly lost touch with itself fully

[hexed flame]

Fucking recconaissance drone

[ivory geyser]

Imagine if they added k9

[bitter mason]

I think its better off they reuse the helicopter mechanic but in the style of drones on some maps

Gives a better sense of scale in the operation rather than having the single 5 man squad do literally everything

K9s I dont get the appeal for

[tacit gull]

i will shit on any k9 suggestion i see

[hexed flame]

And island with hotel is taken by two ultra dangerous terrorist organizations with chemical weapons and 762 guns? Alright lets send 5 local swats

[bitter mason]

Real

[ivory geyser]

I wish you were able to chose spawnpoints on all maps ngl

So you were able to drop from heli in some maps

[bitter mason]

Some maps could definitely do with alternate entrypoints

[hexed flame]

New america especially

[ivory geyser]

We are literally playing as swat we should be able to chose multiple spawnpoints

[hexed flame]

Entering last floor is like entering hell

No chance of going back

[bitter mason]

And yeah little animations for some entries would be nice
Sins of the father has tons of potential for that
Helicopter start you deploy out the chopper
Elevator start you are in the elevator and the doors open
Balcony start you're repelling down the side

[ivory geyser]

Animations for extractions too

Full immersion

[bitter mason]

Eah that far isn't needed imo

[floral peak]

i mean they could add helicopter at start of mission to drop you off, like on leviathan

[ivory geyser]

Would be cool to see that instead of cut the black

[bitter mason]

Yeah even if its just you spawn in and see the chopper leaving would be enough for me

[hexed flame]

Also i want to talk about one thing

Arresting suspects

[ivory geyser]

Interrogating suspects too

[hexed flame]

Like if somebody got arrested with fucking zip ties and another suspect appears

[ivory geyser]

Or civs

[hexed flame]

Its common sense that they will try to break these off him

Or the arrested suspect can run off because his legs are free

[bitter mason]

Yeah but that would be annoying more than anything

[ivory geyser]

Do you really want them to free themselves then kills civs

[hexed flame]

Would be cool to

[floral peak]

imagine last suspect on A New America running around freeing all other cuffed suspects

[hexed flame]

I dont but its kinda unrealsitic

[floral peak]

Please never

[hexed flame]

And could be done in really hard mode

Like not casual but only hard

[bitter mason]

If trailers came in during a mission rather than only after like in swat 3 that would be cool
Swat 3 has suspects being questioned if you arrest them and they are evacuated by trailers

[floral peak]

Im gonna loose it completely if they add this

[hexed flame]

I dont really reccomend it

But i just say this

[ivory geyser]

Masochism mode

[hexed flame]

I want only drones, little bit more tccc/tecc on specific mode

And more breaching gear

[floral peak]

i would like more missions with helicopter around

and also i think we could get maybe national guard cosmetics next DLC

[hexed flame]

I think we should all meet in one place buy airsoft and do our own ready or not

[ivory geyser]

If you were able to repel from the roof like in siege

[floral peak]

i never choose balcony spawn tho, i think its worst entry on SoTF

[hexed flame]

And i also want one more thing

[floral peak]

almost no place to get cover

[ivory geyser]

Helicopter snipers

[floral peak]

Would ruin S rank runs

[hexed flame]

Having the ability to carry our teammate gear like ammo and shit

[urban mural]

Not really.

[ivory geyser]

Tranq rounds for snipers?

[hexed flame]

If you ran out of ammo simply take your dead buddy ammo

[floral peak]

i dont think we would be able to change their ammo if added

[ivory geyser]

True...

[urban mural]

Nah, instead being able to take from your teammates AI/online the deployables and throwables and mags if you use the same firearms. On online you may be able to pass those to other players.

[ivory geyser]

Same mags

[floral peak]

I would really like if we could take supplies from teammates

like nades and everything

[ivory geyser]

Same caliber cuz they can unload ammo

[hexed flame]

Yea yea thats what i mean

I am polish so english broken

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[ivory geyser]

How do you keep ur car so clean?

The humble polish:

[hexed flame]

And most importantly

Add the ability to make your squad bigger

Im not sure but the minimum of swat members on action is 6

[floral peak]

Fuck no, more SWAT members to babysit

with current SWAT AI, theyll just die more

[hexed flame]

After they rework ai

[floral peak]

if its ever gonna happen

[hexed flame]

And like you said remove babysitting them

[ivory geyser]

Imagine if they legit added neural system to bots

[floral peak]

like when they fall in, they just dont even paying attention to anything

When they see suspect that shooting them, they fucking yell and dont shoot

[ivory geyser]

Real

[hexed flame]

Imagine if they added 24h day system so you have to go to your apartament play games or make conspiracies watch judge sleep for 8h and shit

[floral peak]

im sure in future we will have mission related to Detective Reed

because she understands judge

[ivory geyser]

Was it black woman in detective section of hq

[floral peak]

and cooperate with him

[pure veldt]

I personally hope we one day get a DLC where we play as TOC in his glory days

[floral peak]

yup

[hexed flame]

Id like to be judge in real life idk why only if i had the plot armour

[pure veldt]

I personally headcanon that TOC was a LSPD D-Platoon member during the 90s who served alongside H. Lincoln

[potent valley]

an even worse thing is that the squaddies can't even throw 9 bangers or cs gas into rooms properly. I've seen them just drop those grenade types at their feet way too many times...

[ivory geyser]

Imagine if you were able to only use gear from 90s

[floral peak]

Its current problem, in past they did it alright

[hexed flame]

Or they enter the room one buddy is outside and throws the grenade in

[coral tapir]

So... what do you guys think of CS Gas?

[pure veldt]

There's actually a lot of guns SWAT used in the 90s, customization though was... A bit wonky

[ivory geyser]

Ineffective tbh

[hexed flame]

Heil judge

[floral peak]

i would honestly prefer for them to heavily ork on AI rn

[pure veldt]

See they used to have to mount their laser sights on the carry handles of their M16s like the AN/PAQs, and flashlights either required a specific handguard or were just taped on

[floral peak]

bc the SWAT AI needs tons of work

[ivory geyser]

Make chatgpt to control swat ai

[potent valley]

Yeah, friendly AI definitely needs some love

[hexed flame]

I got an idea

[pure veldt]

An HK33 would be sick imo

Imagine the 'Nam larp potential

[hexed flame]

We all meet in one place in us we build every single mission and we buy airsoft and shit

[knotty storm]

never stop larping

[coral tapir]

Most games tend to make the opposition AI more than 150% powerful than friendly AI. 💔

[floral peak]

Couldnt participate

[hexed flame]

I know im just joking

[pure veldt]

I like the M14 don't get me wrong but that's like barely 'Nam as they ditched it early on

[hexed flame]

They have to add civil war clothes and guns

And cannons

[knotty storm]

js use mk18 atp

[pure veldt]

So war of rights?

[hexed flame]

So i can shoot these mfs while shouting

[ivory geyser]

Your team becomes better after you give them kill me command

[hexed flame]

FIRE! reload... Fire!!!

While being in civil war costume and shooting with fucking black powder gun

[pure veldt]

No the correct terms would be fire then load then present then fire

[ivory geyser]

M4 wasn't a thing in nam

[hexed flame]

And while prescott is reloading the cannon with metal ball

[pure veldt]

But you're mostly spot on

[hexed flame]

Bro im polish idk shit about civil war

[pure veldt]

In WoR your officers will have you charge across a field, watch your whole team die, then ask you as the sole survivor to charge backwards in the same open field to prevent rambo

[coral tapir]

The only moment available where you can die to M32A1 Flash if you gave your bots the thing LMAOOO

Also I've been told that the moment you become a threat to the team, your health gets reduced to shit?

[hexed flame]

Or add the ability to submit the suspects based on judge trains mma

With triangle chokes and flying armbars

[pure veldt]

He probably could just neck chop them and that would be enough

Let's be honest, who is taking a neck chop from a guy named Judge and still standing upright

[ivory geyser]

Ig yeah btw stressed officers has less hp than regular officers

[pure veldt]

It's like getting your nose punched in by Timmy toughknuckles

[ivory geyser]

So ig that's possible

[coral tapir]

Oh wow didn't knew that before, it's more like I don't really know what lowered mental state of your bots does in a mission performance.

[hexed flame]

I want a cosmetic of gloves in ready or not

[ivory geyser]

It does

[pure veldt]

We already have those?

[hexed flame]

Of judges mma gloves or wrapped hands

[pure veldt]

Oh oh you mean those

Yeah some MMA gloves would be nice, I actually own a pair

They're well cushioned and they specifically leave the palm thin to allow for easy grabbing and grappling

[hexed flame]

Imagine youre getting raided by swat and they wear mma gear and plate carriers

While shooting in boxing gloves

[ivory geyser]

Mma gear?

[hexed flame]

And having boxing helmets instead of military ones

[hexed flame]

Like rashguards shinguards mma gloves handwraps

Mouthguards

[pure veldt]

UFC's fingerless gloves are the best in my opinion

[pure veldt]

Solely because of how they translate well with handling a firearm

[hexed flame]

I want to see judge as a femboy on a mission

[pure veldt]

Your inner hand is not too largened, but your outer hand is still protected

[pure veldt]

Okay pal

[hexed flame]

In skirt with shark on his back and high socks

🙏🙏🙏

[pure veldt]

Incorrect it's called a blahaj (the shark)

[hexed flame]

Idk im not a femboy

[pure veldt]

Trust me I have friends of the community they've advised me on these matters

[hexed flame]

We gotta start a petition

On adding femboy clothes to ron

Femboy update so we can raid femboy houses

[ivory geyser]

Oh my god bruh

[pure veldt]

I see the image right now

Yo if you ever go for hard S watch out for Greased Palms

[surreal merlin]

sent that by accident lmao

but how did you know i started a hard s run right now

r u spying on me

[coral tapir]

Oh yeah speaking of hard mode, Programmed Psychosis just got me sad today.

[surreal merlin]

im cooked when i reach ana

[pure veldt]

It was a guess

I presumed if you go for S on standard why not go higher

[surreal merlin]

yh i just started hard today

but im stuck on spider 🥀

[pure veldt]

Just flash MGL brother

Flash MGL and also possibly tasers

[hexed flame]

Bruh i cant even complete new america s tier on casual mode

[pure veldt]

It's just that hard of a mission man

[surreal merlin]

thats what i am running but i always die because my ai teammates are doing smth else instead of restraining suspects like i tell them to and then they pull a pistol out of their underwear

[pure veldt]

What armor do you have them running

And what armor are you running

[surreal merlin]

heavy armor steel

full coverage

[pure veldt]

okay yeah then there's a possibility you may need to switch tactics

[surreal merlin]

and idk what the most optimal way of approaching that building is

[pure veldt]

Go ahead and arm your whole team with M320 flashes on their long tactical

[pure veldt]

Go through the store on your right, flank towards the left, enter not through the first door once you go left but instead head up the stairs, clear the roof, then clear downwards from there

Don't bother securing any civilians until bring order to chaos is finished

[surreal merlin]

ohh ill try that

[surreal merlin]

is it worth doing so

[ivory geyser]

Isn't spider one of the easiest missions in the game

[pure veldt]

It gives you extra flash grenades, I say yes

[surreal merlin]

every mission on hard is difficult

[pure veldt]

You're gonna want as much flash 40mms as you can get

[surreal merlin]

ah ok

[pure veldt]

Since they're impact based unlike a typical M84

[surreal merlin]

my teammates were previously equipped with ram, 2 shields and mirror gun ill try the m320

[pure veldt]

Generally speaking only equip yourself with mirror gun, and also make sure you have a lockpick gun

And just in case, always give yourself a lethal secondary but with only one magazine, solely for self defense and inhibition purposes

Because the NPCs can glitch and not react to your non lethals, and then the only way to put them down is to shoot them enough times with the non lethal that it knocks them out

Unless of course you have a lethal to shoot them with

[ivory geyser]

Jhp is good for that ig

[pure veldt]

Me personally I run the Python with .357 JHP with only the 6 rounds in the cylinder

That way I am encouraged heavily to take every suspect alive

[ivory geyser]

Does downed suspects count as alive

Not killed knockdowned

[pure veldt]

Yes but it will give you less points then taking them while they're vertical

[ivory geyser]

Oh i see

[pure veldt]

Generally speaking take them alive and conscious of their own consent, otherwise high chances are you'll lose points

[glass heart]

they give the exactly same points as dead people

the only difference is they still allow you to get HVT objectives and they dont stress out your guys in commander

[pure veldt]

Who isn't playing commander most of the time

I know some people do quick play but I feel it's just too simplified

[ivory geyser]

Commander needs work fr

It's kinda underwhelming

[pure veldt]

Yeah I think more shows of emotion from your squad would be better based on how you are as a commander

[glass heart]

people who dont like the stress mechanics

the way i play any squad is gonna burn out in a few missions and id rather not deal with any of that and just do quickplay

[pure veldt]

But I feel like it encourages you to think carefully through each action, to make sure what you're doing will bide well with your team and to take things slowly

[hollow nova]

guys i just blew up the building in ana do i end the mission now for the handcuffs

[fiery escarp]

Me reporting a live suspect with several gunshot wounds and heavy bleeding, knowing that TOC will yell at me

[valid mural]

anyone sick of TOC saying "your leader is acting in bad faith, maintain defensive positions"

like TOC chill out

[fiery escarp]

TOC have never been to Texas and California

(neither was I)

[valid mural]

i just wanna go full merc mode and TOC is being a karen about it

[zinc lantern]

My bad

[surreal merlin]

i did it ;-;

[frail pond]

Ain no way

[pure veldt]

Nicely done

[urban mural]

Parking lot, make 1 team clear the first side door and the other team the other side door. Go clear upstairs urself.

[ivory geyser]

You can access pvp mode only if you have supporter edition

[surreal merlin]

clearing upstairs myself is risky i reckon

but i alr did it

[glad dune]

The broken version of it

[upper halo]

forgot to add, when u kill most of the suspects, the remaining enemies go after civilians which have been arrested and kill them if u don’t get to them in time

[surreal merlin]

any tips for brisa cove hard

[glad dune]

Haven't tried on hard yet

Try bringing alot of flashbangs

[surreal merlin]

check

[glad dune]

You play with ai?

[surreal merlin]

yh

[glad dune]

Give one of them a shotgun

[surreal merlin]

i cant

[glad dune]

Why

[surreal merlin]

non lethal only

[glad dune]

S rank?

[surreal merlin]

yh

[glad dune]

Ohhh

Use beanbag

[surreal merlin]

what entry is best

[dark tangle]

Is boiling point going to be the last DLC??

[lost inlet]

probably not.

[wind gyro]

❌

[sand abyss]

are we ever going to get an update where the swat ai don't require constant baby sitting?

[marsh lark]

SWAT AI is in a pretty weird spot, yeah. Though I cannot decide what is worse.

Before we had john wick AI

[floral peak]

im sure they can find a middle between idiot SWAT ai and john wick ai

[zinc lantern]

🫶

[rocky plover]

2nd one - residential stairwell

doesn't put you in the middle of a corridor unlike the 1st spawn

[warm gate]

PUT THE KNIFE DOWN meanwhile the suspect that tanked a 9 bang 2 shots from a .357 and cs gas

[gaunt venture]

Yall why does the lvar feel so clanky?

[warm gate]

Wdym clanky?

[gaunt venture]

Like the arn-180 and the mcx feel the exact same, and they have like 200% less recoil

[rocky plover]

they all have low recoil but the order is in arn180 -> mcx -> lvar with lvar having the most between the 3

thing is the lvar cant take a muzzle attachment to reduce it's recoil further

so arn180 with sfmb is superior imho

[gaunt venture]

That makes sense, the only 2 guns that shoot .300 blk are the 180 and lvar, but I agree the 180 is just better in every way execpt for looks

[signal patrol]

Nope

[rocky plover]

there's ddm4pdw that shoots .300blkout as well but that thing has too much recoil imo but it's very short

[dark tangle]

Bet

[gaunt venture]

Every tier list I see they put the lvar in s tier too, I dont get it lmao

[marsh lark]

Who cares about rankings. These weapons are personal preference as their only difference that is truly practical is the damage of their cartridge

[rocky plover]

just like the ga416..... when it's the worst 5.56

[marsh lark]

thats about it

You can control the recoil, most of the time you will shoot only twice or thrice per engagement

[gaunt venture]

Exactly, the 416 is honestly a worse version of the arwc

[rocky plover]

yup

[gaunt venture]

You def can control it, the problem is when you get shot at, the screen begins to experience a category 8 earthquake

[zinc lantern]

ARN-180 supremacy

[marsh lark]

I did not notice much when I was getting shot tbh

slight camera shake and blured vision, yeah

[zinc lantern]

Did integrally suppressed weapons ever get fixed, or do they still not function properly?

[gaunt venture]

Yeah but theres just much better options

[rocky plover]

they still count as "loud" for stress if you mean that

[gaunt venture]

You dont even get the same buff benefits from putting on a normal suppresor

[rocky plover]

shorter gun i guess with the integrally ones, but yea you're better off with SFMB than with suppressor tbh

[gaunt venture]

Yeah, and theres no point to ever use the asr brake either

[rocky plover]

true

[zinc lantern]

Okay then no lol

[gaunt venture]

Just sucks bc the lvar is so good looking

[zinc lantern]

MP5SD beats all purely by looks

[hoary comet]

I love the MLO, they just squad wiped my entire red and blue element with 1 dude as they dropped a flash at their feet as they usually do, went in to issue a command saw it all greyed out and the realization hit me like a train, these dudes are just like they were back on old farm, hope they remain just as strong but the SWAT AI learns to throw actual flashes

at this point it's better to send them in to clear with no nades/launcher

[shadow venture]

Hey guys how can i fix the lpvo scopes lightnings not rendering? There are like 0 shadows and it really looks bad

[hoary comet]

screenie? #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[surreal merlin]

now im at greased palms 💀

[mystic palm]

May god help u in ur quest

[hoary comet]

took me a solid near 20 attempts

the newly added flash launcher should make it a breeze though

[surreal merlin]

considering the long typing i thought some insane ball knowledge tips were coming but no actually 😂

[surreal merlin]

its goated

[hoary comet]

I did it back in 2024 and I used gas all the way

besides the guys outside

[surreal merlin]

gas seems so cool to me but its a shame flashes are better

[hoary comet]

it used to be better

it might be my nostalgia of using it on every map for S

i turned every map into a concentration camp

[surreal merlin]

knowing that its bad now i never actually tried it, i might try it on quick play

[hoary comet]

all I know that now it's slow to act and useless on a new america and the blackwood pier

but this also applies to their gas traps, you can basically walk away from them leisurely unlike the ides of march grenades

[surreal merlin]

how did it use to be like would you just throw a gas grenade, they would cough and immediately get on their knees?

[hoary comet]

they used to react to it faster iirc

the animation for it going off was the same

now they start walking away like they mean to live another day

[surreal merlin]

i hope they buff it back one day

[hoary comet]

I hope they give me high explosives or flechettes for the shotgun

(obviously not happening) I can never repay them the pain induced by S ranking the last 3 maps

[surreal merlin]

im gonna watch a video on greased palms before i actually play it

[hoary comet]

that would be advised

[slow nexus]

I am never reattempting programming psychosis again that was awful

[rocky plover]

still better than fucking S on Hard ffs

[slow nexus]

Yeah true

[rocky plover]

but ye it is still annoying

[slow nexus]

That officially took me more tries than my solo greased palms on hard

Cool level but I genuinely never want to play it again lmao

[rocky plover]

the AI there is just too artificial lmao

[surreal merlin]

why does judge sometimes order the ai to pie when doing open and clear and sometimes he doesnt

[naive marsh]

BRO WHAT

I GOT KILLED THROUGH FUCKING WALL ON NEW AMERICA HOW IS IT POSSIBLE

And I did him 2 headshots

W mission void

[winter pendant]

When the team is stacked to one side of an open doorway and there is space to pie. During a split stack, the AI will center check instead.

[slow nexus]

Yeah it can be annoying. It honestly just feels like RNG the same way greased palms can sometimes

[naive marsh]

It makes me sick

I want to make it atleast d rank and everytime I’m at last floor I get demolished

[nova bobcat]

how do I go to the mission alone

[winter pendant]

Multiplayer -> friends only -> don't invite any friends

[nova bobcat]

I meant without the AI companions too

[winter pendant]

Yes

[nova bobcat]

Oh

Oh thanks I didn't think about it this way

[winter pendant]

Cheers

[slow nexus]

As long as the flower head guy doesn't see you, you can bait enemies to the door and arrest/kill them

[fiery escarp]

Ironman mode

[slow nexus]

That's what I did for my clear

[slow nexus]

Start a multiplayer session

[nova bobcat]

Oh btw that wont work if I play without the internet connection tho

[slow nexus]

My bad didn't see someone replied

[slow nexus]

Oh really? That makes sense

[wraith gale]

if that happens just make them sit in one spot in a quick match.

if you do the move command to a certain spot they wont move

[nova bobcat]

yeah but when i kill too much civvies they just hunt me down

i killed like 5-6 and they killed me

[stray canopy]

Some missions require killing suspect persons even if the mission says "arrest person XYC" or "arrest 3 suspects"

Sometimes its very hard to impossible

[nova bobcat]

no, not suspects

I was killing everyone in valley of the dolls

[wooden lintel]

@turbid basin is that zombie or not mod? (Your screenshot). If so how does it work? I've read that they randomly explode etc

[lyric field]

Stolen valor is the definition of whole house mad

[wooden lintel]

I almost shat my pants when that fat weird looking civ jumpscared me from the corner lol

[lyric field]

Oh I just kept killing I didn’t pay to much attention 😭

Almost merked a civi on no good deed

Oh forgot to say it’s my first play thought so I’m on causal

[neon laurel]

Yo guys I just beat Ironman for the first time on normal difficulty, unfortunately I lost officers during the missions a lethal obsession, neon tomb, carriers of the vine, and relapse so ill have to do it all over again. I used this loadout for my team:

Myself:
Primary - Flashbang grenade launcher w/ 15 rounds (total) of flashbangs
Secondary - Glock 18 w/ 1 mag of Jhp (last ditch self defense)
Armor - Heavy ceramic
Long tactical - mirror gun
Utility: lockpick gun

And then between my four teammates I had two of these positions on each fireteam:

Wedger:
Primary - Beanbag shotgun w/ 4 magazines
Secondary - Glock 19 (no ammo, basically not using the secondary)
Armor - Heavy Steel
Long Tactical - m203 flash
Utility - 3 flashbangs, 1 stinger, 3 wedges

Breacher:
Primary - Beanbag shotgun w/ 4 magazines
Secondary - Glock 19 (no ammo, basically not using the secondary)
Armor - Heavy Steel
Long tactical - breaching shotgun
Utility - 5 flashbangs, 2 c2s

Is this a good team setup and idea or is there anything I should do different?

[wooden lintel]

You can give them 1 mag and they'll have unlimited ammo

[slow nexus]

Rip that's unfortunate. I honestly just ran 4 flash gl's for my clear and I carried a pistol to clean up any enemies that proved to be annoying

That loadout doesn't look bad tho

[wooden lintel]

Maybe one shield for a bot

[slow nexus]

I'm fairly certain they can run out of ammo but I could be wrong

[rocky plover]

they do and reload normally but they don't run out of mags

[wooden lintel]

I haven't tried it to be honest but heard many guys here that it works

[rocky plover]

so 1 is enough

[slow nexus]

Huh, that's pretty cool

[neon laurel]

Cool, thanks for the advice guys

[turbid basin]

yes, its amazing to play with friends

[hollow nova]

what do i get from s tiering ana

[sonic sleet]

Fuck this game I got all the way to 4th floor doing programmed psychosis and got a crazy angle one shot head tap to the dome

Turns out it was the last suspect other then flower man too

[fast mantle]

Are there any soft objectives on relapse? I have all main complete and I can soft complete. Im looking for weapons but they wont search and secure

AI jsut stays put

[somber kestrel]

The singleplayer for this game makes me feel insane as I try to control 4 AI toddlers with guns and try and convince my little goober from walking straight backwards into a room and getting his shit blown smooth off

[craggy fable]

just disarming the bombs. any hidden stuff, no

[fast mantle]

Ourgh

[icy walrus]

you get to see judges apartment

[floral peak]

Real

[fast mantle]

Time to search the entire hospital for a missing pistol ig

[craggy fable]

you may already have this on but turn on Highlight Weapons

it helps a lot

[floral peak]

Honestly would rather do that than ANA

[fast mantle]

Indeed I do, but i think its in the lobby area and im on the opposite end

Its just gonna be annoying to find

[hollow nova]

ANA is not even that hard

[floral peak]

Hard S attempts

[fast mantle]

Found it

[floral peak]

On standard yeah it’s not bad

[hollow nova]

those arent bad either

[fast mantle]

and it was indeed a pistol lol

A rank :D

[floral peak]

It’s literally hardest mission in game

[hollow nova]

says who

[craggy fable]

mr tough guy here guys

[floral peak]

And Hard S on ANA is 2nd hardest thing, Programmed Psychosis on top

[fast mantle]

The community

[lyric field]

Any way to avoid the sensors in a new America

[craggy fable]

night vision, disarm trap

[hollow nova]

community is probably bad at the game then

[floral peak]

I did literally every Hard S before

[craggy fable]

and turning off the power in the electrical room

[floral peak]

Won’t turn off the detectors

[craggy fable]

it does for me when i do it

[fast mantle]

They have the most advanced AI in the game (basically 20 versions of judge), armored, ir tripwires, etc. MFs will breavh the rooms youre in with bangers. Nothing in the game matches that.

[floral peak]

Weird, all times I did it didn’t turn off them or either I didn’t notice that

[floral peak]

Don’t forget frequent instakills and sometimes wall hacks

[fast mantle]

My favorite

[hollow nova]

maybe you guys just arent ready

[floral peak]

Mfs will deadass run across hallway and instakill you from across the map

[floral peak]

0/10 rage bait

[fast mantle]

Youre so lucky i cant pregnant man react you

[hollow nova]

🫃

do you guys think greased palms is hard too

[floral peak]

I don’t want to try with AI anymore since they dumb asf

[floral peak]

It’s not even close when compared to ANA

[sonic sleet]

I’d argue hard S is worse then programmed psychosis. Don’t get me wrong I’m working on programmed psychosis but at least you can use lethal

[hollow nova]

was not comparing it to ANA

[fast mantle]

Only annoying because of how open it is, but they dont have armor. JHP drops them quit

[floral peak]

It is easier by fact that Hard S don’t require to be solo

[fast mantle]

I think the only vanilla missions that compares to ANA is neon tomb or Sinuos because of their armor and reactivity

[floral peak]

I gave up at Programmed Psychosis for now, want to get Hard S

[hollow nova]

we cant be fr bro

[fast mantle]

but theyre still not as bad

[sonic sleet]

Yes but you’re more likely to get one tapped through an angle. I got hard S tier working on programmed now

[fast mantle]

Sinuous trail on hard just threw all the bullshit in the world at me

[floral peak]

Amy tips for hard s on Ana?

[hollow nova]

you clearly were NOT ready

[fast mantle]

Literally just out of my control if they open fire on me for opening a door (they do)

[sonic sleet]

You’re tripping bro. The ai on Ana on hard literally has a 50 millisecond reaction time, the fastest muscle in the human body which is your muscle to blink is 100 milliseconds

[hollow nova]

shoot back

or flashbang room

[fast mantle]

-1/10 ragebait pal

[floral peak]

Bro just types shit atp

[sonic sleet]

There’s a certain route you have to take and wedges wedges wedges I can’t stress that enough

[hollow nova]

i guess im ragebaiting now

[floral peak]

I guess you’re just dumb

[hollow nova]

thank you

[floral peak]

Yeah, sounds like thing I do with my friend

[sonic sleet]

Send me a dm if you want more details

[lyric field]

Wait so how do you disarm it?

[sonic sleet]

Look at the box and use multi

[craggy fable]

walk up to it

[lyric field]

Oooooh so just like a normal trap

[sonic sleet]

After enough play throughs you’ll know exactly where traps spawn

[floral peak]

Yeah

Just like with suspects

[lyric field]

I feel like this is gonna be another multi day mission 😭

[floral peak]

It’s multi week atp for me

Hard S is legit nightmare here

[sonic sleet]

It was multi week for my hard S ngl

[fast mantle]

I havent even touched it yet

[sonic sleet]

But I also had a baby in the middle of my play through so I wasn’t on for a week

[floral peak]

I really wonder when they gotta nerf ANA

[lyric field]

This is my fifth time getting it straight up the culo

[fast mantle]

Now you have a duo

[fiery escarp]

Did my message got nuked? Lolololololol

[sonic sleet]

Before the patch update Ana hard suspects reaction time was 0 milliseconds and now it’s 50 milliseconds which is still faster then any human can react so

[fast mantle]

They are kinda super human

[subtle tartan]

Anyone in the EU wanna join in me and 2 guys. Both newbies and experienced people are welcome

[fast mantle]

Makes sense but we play as judge so its kinda pointlesss

[sonic sleet]

There’s a channel for that #🔎looking-for-players

[subtle tartan]

My bad friend!

[ivory geyser]

They were serial killers who bragged about killing people

[sonic sleet]

Just might actually find someone better that way lmao

[subtle tartan]

Absolutely!

[fast mantle]

Theyre also USIA Guinea pigs who were enhanced

[sonic sleet]

It’s just funny bc the code literally proved we have no chance bc they have inhuman reaction times

[fast mantle]

The only chance we really have is flash bangs and shooting first

but its possible

[sonic sleet]

Correct

You have to hit first and hit harder lmao

[fast mantle]

Im sure they wont talk anyways

might aswell put 3 rounds of 7.62 nato in them

[sonic sleet]

Especially since they run ap fals that shoot through shields and heavy steel

[fast mantle]

Fuck it, might as well bring stab vests

[sonic sleet]

Yk I did that quite a few times. Found the only thing the heavy armor prevents is the one taps from the m4 guys

[fast mantle]

It seems like heavy armor prevents nut shots and shoulder taps. Probably not gonna suffer from running light

[sonic sleet]

Honestly that map is all rng based

[fast mantle]

Hide and Seek targets are unarmored right? Wanna make sure before I bring an sr16 with jhps for everyone

[sonic sleet]

I think? I haven’t played it in a bit so

[wet chasm]

theyre armored

[sonic sleet]

Tbh I haven’t played that map in so long I couldn’t remember for sure, I thought maybe some in the back were but couldn’t remember

[silk spear]

Hide and Seek suspects have no armor for sure.

[sonic sleet]

Lmao

[fast mantle]

Well shit

[silk spear]

As long as you're using a large enough bullet it doesn't matter anyhow.

[wet chasm]

jhp and ap almost always matters

[fast mantle]

Well these are the same guys from greased palms and bcbt. They didnt have armor (except for 1 guy on bcbt) so ill go with jhp

fafo

[silk spear]

Only for limb shots and smaller calliber bullets. 5.56 AP takes 5 limp shots to incappactate over JHP's 2 to limp. (on most maps, some maps have increased HP for suspects)

But for torso on armored suspects, it's 2 for both bullet types until you get L3 armor where JHP increases to 6 shots.

[sonic sleet]

I’m still so triggered that I got all the way to fourth floor and had every suspect but flower man and one suspect and got crazy angle one head tapped on programmed psychosis run

[fast mantle]

-Shoot at cops
-Get shot with jhp
-Cry about it

Are they fr rn?

[silk spear]

The excessive screaming is....palpable.

[sonic sleet]

I love the unauthorized deadly force I got one time on a guy actively shooting me

[fast mantle]

They indeed have armor

They're getting closed caskets ig

[surreal merlin]

how do i stop running out of ammo in greased palms theres so many suspects 🙏 😭

[sonic sleet]

Be a better shot lmao

How many mags are you bringing

[surreal merlin]

who said i have mags lmao

[sonic sleet]

What’s your setup

[surreal merlin]

9 flashes with the 6 you get alr in the launcher its 15

[silk spear]

Are you playing on hard? cause if so then none of the higher caliber bullets will 1 tap on torso except MK-V handgun and maybe shotguns due to the increased health on Hard

[surreal merlin]

and i just have one regular flash and a lockpick gun

[sonic sleet]

How are you struggling then or are you doing it solo

[fast mantle]

No, standard. I gave up on hard first run because of sinuous trail

I hate that mission

I'll go back and do them all on hard later

Closed caskets = JHP to the face

[surreal merlin]

with the ai

[sonic sleet]

Do they also have launchers

[surreal merlin]

yh

[fast mantle]

Give them beanbag shotguns

[sonic sleet]

So use them to help clear and save your flashes

[sonic sleet]

Horrible advice

[fast mantle]

Really?

[surreal merlin]

beanbag is ahh afaik

[fast mantle]

Beanbags for them worked well for me

I flash them once. Otherwise I feel like they'd waste ammo

[sonic sleet]

If you’re going for s tier do you want them risking a suspect death

I personally wouldn’t

[silk spear]

Well I can guarantee you @fast mantle the suspects do not have armor but again, it really doesn't matter as much unless you're shotgun/smgs/pistols. Majority of the rifles AP is go to. You're only gonna get an adventage with JHP for limp hits but your SWAT A.I aims for center mass majority of the time.

[sonic sleet]

Knowing the ai is brain dead

[silk spear]

S.W.A.T A.I are programmed to never go for headshots so suspects dieing are more likely to be caused by friendfire than A.I Beanbag to head.

[fast mantle]

They're taking multiple torso shots to go down, which makes it seem like they have armor. Maybe they're just more resilient than the tweakers in twisted

Who went down with like one jhp 10mm

[sonic sleet]

Not a risk I take 🤷🏽‍♂️

[surreal merlin]

wouldn't they'll take damage and probably die later in the mission?

[urban mural]

SWAT AI don't have self preservation, they don't take cover.

[silk spear]

I'm saying there's no risk from the ai teamates killing a suspects with the beanbag cause they literally physically can't aim for the head.

[sonic sleet]

Just gotta know how to use your ai

[urban mural]

They don't even have situational awarness that much.

[sonic sleet]

Until the suspect leans down and they don’t think he’s going down and bean him in the head.

[silk spear]

I thought you were using SR16s which is like 6.5 creedmore?

[wet chasm]

that’s 556

[fast mantle]

No, 556

Confusing it with the new battle rifle

Which is basically the SR16s older brother

[silk spear]

Video proof or it didn't happen. 🤷 500+ hours the only time someone died to a beanbag headshot is when I did it myself lmao.

[fast mantle]

CAN SUSPECTS GET OUT OF CUFFS?

[wet chasm]

no

[silk spear]

JHP 10mm is still going to take 2 taps to torso, 3 to limbs only

[fiery escarp]

Thank you Void for programming your civs to glitch in random places, so I have to shoot them in the head, merc style

[silk spear]

No but they can pull out their pistols last second before you/swat ai trigger the cuffing animation.

[fast mantle]

I think my fuckass AI just ignored a guy on the ground then who then got up and shot us after clearing the tower

We are not getting A rank

[silk spear]

Haven't seen Hide&Seek suspects play dead myself but I wouldn't put it pass them.

[fast mantle]

No he was alive

[silk spear]

THen yeah, your guys just didn't cuff him because Void broke the S.W.A.T A.I even more with this update.

[fast mantle]

on his knees, hands up. Thought they cuffed him because we were vulnerable for a while and he did nothing

[fiery escarp]

Also try yelling while pulling the pin, your nade gets stuck in your gun lololol

[silk spear]

I HATE the ones where they get stuck trying to get out from under the bed and just forever ground shimmies 🤦‍♂️

[silk spear]

Don't treat your A.I like fellow officers, treat them like toddlers with guns and you're a teacher trying to tell them what to do . You have to do a lot of babysitting playing with the SWAT A.I.

[sonic sleet]

Sometimes it’s easier then real players tho bc you at least know what the ai is going to do

And for the most part they follow orders

[fast mantle]

Got veterans on my team and they still cant hit shit

[fast mantle]

Me and my 2 buddies were clearing levels easier on hard than the ai could do on standard

Holt shit the 2 shield guys are staying back and letting the non-shield members clear first

fucking awesome

[silk spear]

The A.I kinda requires you to be in specific playstyles and does not lends itself well to commanders who do not take the support role imo.

[silk spear]

Yeah I hate how in some rooms the first guy that goes in stops at the first spot 😮‍💨

[sonic sleet]

If you have good teammates yes but randoms on Xbox lfg posts can make you lose any hope in humanity

[silk spear]

That's true with any online game tbh.

Esspecially these days.

[fast mantle]

They are very much utilized but they just ignore me sometimes. Clearing rooms without my say, not tossing bangers, tossing bangers that end up in our room somehow, not shooting suspects. I mean, one of my guys toom half a mag in his shield before turning around and still didnt shoot. Neither did the 3 officers after him

[silk spear]

Not saying you ain't using them. I'm just saying Bots in their current state basically requires the commander to either take the front man position, going into the room first, or a support position with a non-lethal to stun targets more distant(primary launcher ftw) in the room in my experience.

They are just not smart enough at base.

[fast mantle]

They jsut ignored an active shooter who then killed me

Last guy too

No wonder the game feels harder, teh swat ai is just worse

[silk spear]

Trust me, I hate the base bots a lot too. 😩

[fast mantle]

Might as well make everyone a veteran with 1 armorer/nutritionist

[silk spear]

I mean, that IS the ideal setup. 2 vets 1 arm & 1 nutr

[fast mantle]

Or a full team of negotiators for gits and shigs

[silk spear]

If you have it, I'd do negotiatiors with the 1 arm/nutr cause your A.I is going to shout anyway as soon as they see the suspects no matter the distance.

That's what I did for for my ironman run and it was signifgently easier than when I was practicing on quickplay because of that.

[fast mantle]

I only have one negotiator unlocked

Oof

[silk spear]

do you have an intemidator?

[fast mantle]

Nope

I could just run missions on easy to unlock traits

[silk spear]

Correction: I did 2 negotatitors & 2 intimidators. Regardless tho, having some S-Rank oriented traits will do you better for that map. Less bullets flying = less stress increase which = less enemies going into shoot first ask later mode.

[fast mantle]

Do you think itll do me better period? I know for the 6 missions ive done on hard, once shooting starts it just doesnt stop

And i dont want shit like sinuous happening every mission

Opened a door, 2 guys shot first, killed them, then 3 more in a hallway came to us to shoot, and then a 6th guy killed me from a server room

[silk spear]

On hard not as much cause the "Morale" dmg they take (likelyhood suspect surrenders) is decreased. 2 Negotiator will still work cause it's just a 50% chance for a suspect to instant surrender upon hearing the 1st officer yell. "Ah, you got me officer 🙂 " type shit.

[fast mantle]

So 2 negotiators, armorer, and a vet maybe

hell maybe 2 vets because they still cant hit shit and steel plates work pretty well

[silk spear]

Otherwise always have 1 armor and 1 nutritionist, cause that is mathmatically the best increase for survivability.

[fast mantle]

I see

[silk spear]

1 armor 2 nutritionist will only allow to survive like 1 extra 7.62 bullet which ain't much when they're firing fullauto anyways.

and armorer only applies once so no stacking that buff.

[final jacinth]

negotiators stack???

[silk spear]

All buffs stack at least 2 times except for armorer and kicker. I'll pull the stats give me sec

[final jacinth]

damn...

[silk spear]

"Negotiator: Increases chance of Civilian and Suspects surrendering on Compliance Yells from both The Player and SWAT AI.
Effect stacks. (+25%, +50%, +55%, +60% Surrender Chance on FIRST Compliance Yell."

[pale sparrow]

why is there a protest going on outside

[fast mantle]

Lady (philanthropist) died in terrorist attack on pier

People think LSPD let attack happen

[pale sparrow]

oh

i see

let me guess, its all lore of the new DLC?

[glass heart]

yes

[pale sparrow]

oh well

its time to spend money ig

[fast mantle]

Conspiraciy theories

[final jacinth]

The USIA has created the MLO to make tests on Judge and other SWAT units as the final part of MKultra

FISA is also involved

[pale sparrow]

uh huh

[full shore]

Uh oh

[pale sparrow]

so uh

[fast mantle]

Fucking FISA

[pale sparrow]

can i shoot civilians now?

[fiery escarp]

ACAB

All Cops are Balling

[fast mantle]

Mights as well

[pale sparrow]

i love fisa

[fast mantle]

Nothing was stopping you before

[pale sparrow]

TOC was

[icy walrus]

I love the USIA mmmmmmmm

[fast mantle]

Nah he cant actually do anything