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[molten prairie]

Even with crouched free leaning.

[latent crescent]

oh they’ll see u then trying to clear dead space like that

[molten prairie]

Yeah, how would you go about clearing that deadspace?

[latent crescent]

because they’re either very close and can hear you or they’re looking right at u or ur body is still exposed

[latent crescent]

flashbangs or ego swing and pray, i havent got a clue no one has a clue not even cqb tactics have a clue

[molten prairie]

Mmm.

[latent crescent]

this is assuming ur solo though

[molten prairie]

Might start bringing the optiwand and AP rounds agaim.

[molten prairie]

Yeah, on hard it’s always solo.

Since the friendly AI get themselves killed.

[late tartan]

mirrorgun

open the door and then use the mirror gun while using the door to block LOS

[latent crescent]

i forgot that exists, i never use the mirror gun

[late tartan]

mirror gun is op

[latent crescent]

thats exactly why i dont use it, sometimes unrealistic too

[molten prairie]

Mm, might start doing:

1. Scan immediate threshold.
2. Shout to lure people in and lock the AI into static holding positions. Free lean as much as possible.
3. Ego peek the door with free lean crouch with a shield to try and identify the remaining threats with pistol to eliminate.

[tranquil fulcrum]

i wouldnt recommend a pistol, they may just shrug it off and swing then kill you

[stable kernel]

Shield isn't the play imo

Rifle with ap that you can be the most accurate with is the go to

[molten prairie]

They shrug off my rifle rounds anyways.

[latent crescent]

aye

[molten prairie]

I just started going for headshots.

[late tartan]

every video ive seen of preprogrammed psych is with shotguns

cuz with free lean even if u catch their hands it will blow the arm right off with a shotgun

[stable kernel]

I just did it tonight with the G36

I unironically aim too center mass so I was getting too many armor hits (which yes do stun them) but still aren't optimal ttk

[molten prairie]

Don’t you face issues with deadspace + suppression though?

Since eventually you’ll have to ego peek the deadspace and suppression makes aiming at anything impossible.

[late tartan]

dont go for headshots aim for the shoulder

[stable kernel]

That's the thing though

[tranquil fulcrum]

if thats your issue you arent free leaning properly

[stable kernel]

If you get fully suppressed you have already lost

[late tartan]

aiming for headshots = exposing more of yourself

[stable kernel]

Abuse the absolute hell out of the wand and free lean, kill on first peek

Sometimes they pop a few off but if they get time to mag dump and strafe away you messed up

They will reposition wildly, and they will wallhack you the whole time

[tranquil fulcrum]

yeah, same issue if they witness you killing a guy, remember no witnesses!

[stable kernel]

Abuse flashlight aggro with doorways and free lean and it's quite managable on the first floors

[tranquil fulcrum]

just keep in mind flashlight aggro enemies may do stupid shit like pull fire alarm or go into csgo player mode

usually wont run right at you atleast tho

[late tartan]

the first 2 floors for me are the easy bits, outside the coutroom i have no set strat

[surreal pelican]

What effect does the fire alarm do? Aside from blurring visuals

[late tartan]

increase stress of suspects i think

[undone bane]

Sound i imagine

[surreal pelican]

I pulled it thinking I could bait them for free easy kill

[undone bane]

God if only we could turn off fuseboxes..

[stable kernel]

Perhaps, but knowing where they are is a huge step up above no info peeking every angle

[surreal pelican]

The furthest I got was 7 murked kills with my shotgun

[late tartan]

well u can trip an IR detector and they will just push u

[stable kernel]

And sometimes they rush you into free kills

It's the dead silent angle holders you have to worry about

[late tartan]

ong

[undone bane]

Opti wand for the win on that one

[strange depot]

Just S-ranked a new America on hard difficulty. Solo with Ai squad. I feel elite

[late tartan]

or garbage RNG on the floor with the device

[proud goblet]

🧢

[surreal pelican]

I keep walking into em; sometimes they never show up

That's when I know shits about to get real

I wonder if you can bait the upper floor suspects to come down

[strange depot]

Surprised not to see any s rank hard difficulty videos yet. I guess extreme very few have done it

[surreal pelican]

How many attempts did you have to do for success 🙏

I just went back to trying to get this bullshit of a achievement; best I got so far was 7/24

[late tartan]

do u have a set pathing for each floor

[surreal pelican]

I've only figured out how to clear floor 2

[stable kernel]

Only if John VOID wills it so

If not

You die

[surreal pelican]

Floor 3 untouched; floor 4 I don't want to imagine

[surreal pelican]

My strat rn is:

Do it 3 times daily. If not reset tomorrow new day

[tranquil fulcrum]

haha...ha...

[late tartan]

u need to have a set pathway to take each floor, ideally u should be doing floor 2 and 3 hitless as courtroom floor is the most tricky bit

[tranquil fulcrum]

im on like try 20 today?

[surreal pelican]

Yea; I have a pathway for Floor 2. Floor 3 I haven't figured it out yet

[stable kernel]

IDK 20 probably

You gotta lock in

[surreal pelican]

I wonder if you can just speed run and make flower man detonate and get the ach

[stable kernel]

And stay locked in for an hour or more

[surreal pelican]

Fuck; that means you can't get frustrated or shit if not shit wil go down

[late tartan]

well yeah

[surreal pelican]

That's why I say 3 times daily

If not you're just gonna end up in psychiatric ward

[tranquil fulcrum]

ive made peace with frustration, i think i lost that feeling around try 30? now its just contempt

[surreal pelican]

For me it isn't the frustration.

It's the feeling of getting it done

I'm on my 3 weeks break now;

This week's the first. Wish me luck

[stable kernel]

Psychosis anyone?

[surreal pelican]

I've been there before; I spent 5h trying to run and gun sleeper agent before waking up and doing it non lethal

[tranquil fulcrum]

how dare you take breaks and wait till the balancing is levelled on this patch

[late tartan]

for the 3rd floor id say just be aware that like there are 2 stairwells if one side is too tricky i.e too many open doors u can go back down and use the other stairwell

i did this already for my S rank run

[surreal pelican]

Will the flashlight bait work on the 3rd floor stairs?

[tranquil fulcrum]

it works everywhere

[late tartan]

u can also just shoot outside a room

[surreal pelican]

I can think of a plan to clear floor 3 but for 4; I'm fucked

[late tartan]

and they will charge

[surreal pelican]

Does shouting work

[tranquil fulcrum]

4 isnt too bad ngl, atleast on normal

[late tartan]

4 is very RNG dependant

[surreal pelican]

On normal....

[late tartan]

sometimes u will have loads of people outside, sometimes 1

[surreal pelican]

Bruh

[tranquil fulcrum]

may i recommend alternating between staircases? check the deep pockets that lead to the main rooms

[surreal pelican]

I think

[tranquil fulcrum]

I do not think anymore

[late tartan]

what run attempt are u on

[tranquil fulcrum]

if you are talking to me, probably 50ish?

[late tartan]

@surreal pelican

[blissful oyster]

it took me over 190 some runs to complete Programmed Psychosis

[surreal pelican]

3, I gave up

[tranquil fulcrum]

aspirations

[surreal pelican]

My best so far is 7

[tranquil fulcrum]

visions of run 190

[tall river]

i died on hide and seek during my iron man run someone plz kill me

[late tartan]

id recommend watching videos of the people who've done it already and like taking mental notes of what they did well and everytime they over exposed themselves etc

[blissful oyster]

I was watching the walls like a schizophrenic and jumping at every small sound

[late tartan]

and just apply what theyre doing yourself

[blissful oyster]

I swear to god a non-obj civ was in the walls

[tranquil fulcrum]

i know the voicelines by heart and even recognize suspect types by footsteps

[blissful oyster]

screaming, begging for help, begging for mercy

I will never be the same after completing Programmed Psychosis

[surreal pelican]

Is it possible to make flower man explode then just end mission and get the ach?

[tranquil fulcrum]

if it is ping me

[late tartan]

bring order to chaos

[tranquil fulcrum]

if i need to cheese and waste hours of my time to do it or just cheese id take the latter

[bronze bough]

I think the QNVG should be moved to the section with the single and double nods

[surreal pelican]

Hell nah they said complete

[surreal pelican]

I think we gotta cheese

[tranquil fulcrum]

i havent seen any exploits

i have dreams of the suspects just all spontaneously exploding

[blissful oyster]

No, he doesn't activate until you enter the Courtroom and if you do without the sapper you fail the mission, YOU HAVE to complete the mission without failure

[surreal pelican]

Bro what......

[late tartan]

btw wedges are reusable as long as you multitool them

[blissful oyster]

basically, bomb goes off you have to restart

[surreal pelican]

Bruhhh

[undone bane]

Makes sense

[tranquil fulcrum]

but i mean you gotta get thjere first so.........

[surreal pelican]

Fml; this gonna be a real one

[undone bane]

That fucking staircase is the real menace

[blissful oyster]

You also HAVE to take the Triggerman alive

[tranquil fulcrum]

i actually almost never die on the staircase

[surreal pelican]

@rocky plover We can't just rush and make flower man explode for pp

[tranquil fulcrum]

for me its always the british man running around and noscoping me

[molten prairie]

Yeah, that didn’t work…

[surreal pelican]

What's your loadoit

[late tartan]

they reused the same voicelines for this guy

from another mission

[molten prairie]

Dude ate 4 rounds to the shoulder, ran to a cleared angle, then one tapped me.

[surreal pelican]

3 Letter Triad

[tranquil fulcrum]

i know, hes back with a vengence

[surreal pelican]

I'm putting my faith in the holy blessed B1301

[tranquil fulcrum]

any gun above 5.56 or buck works

[blissful oyster]

to actually beat Programmed Psychosis, you have to stop the bomb and take the Triggerman alive, bring order to chaos, and rescue every civ.

You do not need to worry about taking other suspects alive nor do you have to worry about securing weapons

[tranquil fulcrum]

thats not really the issue

[surreal pelican]

The issue is their reaction time

[tranquil fulcrum]

50ms 💀

[surreal pelican]

I think the Devs stated somewhere that the hard mode enemies got the ms buffed by accident

[tranquil fulcrum]

half a human blink on some models

[woven river]

So fellas, in terms of damage calc are we still on DLC 1 terms or?

[surreal pelican]

I'm not shitting you;

I was camping at corner of door. Ready for free easy kill.

But then as soon as fucker stepped out; I got domed 1 tap

He didn't even turn at all

[tranquil fulcrum]

yep. if its not a bug i dont want this achievement anymore

[surreal pelican]

It's a bug

It's in the channel

[tranquil fulcrum]

thats what i think but they said may be

[late tartan]

the running 1 tap is lowk hella funny

full sprint into a hs

[surreal pelican]

Fuuuuuccckkkk...

[molten prairie]

100MS is the above average human reaction to a spontaneous object (aka, how long it takes for you to realize that the baseball is flying at your face.)

[tranquil fulcrum]

running 1tap, 5 seconds later, (distant angry scream)

[molten prairie]

The actual time it takes to catch that baseball puts it to around 200-250MS.

[late tartan]

and then the breaching or flanking sound effect

[tranquil fulcrum]

indeed

[molten prairie]

The AI can have half the realization time to just shoot once alerted.

[tranquil fulcrum]

followed by a lecture about how shit you are from the man in the sky

[molten prairie]

They spot you, acquire their target, and fire, all within half the time it takes an above-average human to even realize that they’ve seen something.

[tranquil fulcrum]

thank god sometimes they just stare at the floor

[strange depot]

On hard difficulty the suspect count is 25 lmao

[woven river]

Is ceramic full or ceramic front/back still our best options?

[molten prairie]

Probably yeah.

[tranquil fulcrum]

does make a huge difference but arms are most likely to get shot when peaking, so i do full

[blissful oyster]

Sorry this took me a moment had to go take a look again

Light armor w/ ceramic plates, Gasmask, no helmet, 5 CS Gas, M320 CS launcher, 1 Wedge, RTWC-6.5 Creedmoor with 4-5 AP Mags, MK-V 2-3 FMJ Mags.

[late tartan]

u will die long before the ceramic plates break

[molten prairie]

On hard, you die to limb damage before chest damage.

[tranquil fulcrum]

why do so many people use rtwc?

[molten prairie]

Since the AI love to shoot you in the kneecaps.

[late tartan]

ill attempt programmed psych ive already S ranked it

[blissful oyster]

I use it because I have it modded out for Headtaps, ATAK-R for Optic, SCOM Supp, and Combat grip due to more upsides usually I use Angled

[woven river]

I saw somewhere that ever since damage xalc changes in DLC 1 times, steel is worthless since our damage taken caps at 70 no matter what and ceramic survives a hit before perishing while all broken and taken torso hit at 80hp ( recoverable hp cap).

Was wondering if that is still the case

[molten prairie]

Steel is likely better on Standard/Casual for tankiness.

[late tartan]

its mostly the same as 7.62 x 51 NATO with way better recoil

[molten prairie]

But on hard, ceramic is probs gonna be better since the damage cap is so high.

[tranquil fulcrum]

but scoob, semi auto?

[blissful oyster]

I did however switch to RMO and 3x for ANA's Programmed Psychosis and did a tad better with that but switched back to the ATAK-R because I was more used to that

[woven river]

We sure? Afaik dmg amount is still the same. Less hostiles wont mean much

[late tartan]

if you;re using 7.62 full auto you're doing something wrong

[molten prairie]

Nah, hard increases the damage cap.

[woven river]

I see

[molten prairie]

You can take more maximum damage from a single shot.

[tranquil fulcrum]

this game has fuckall recoil, its not hard

[woven river]

Whats the cap on standard?

[late tartan]

on 7.62s full auto? u sure?

[molten prairie]

Can’t remember off the top of my head.

[tranquil fulcrum]

yessir

[molten prairie]

Low enough that healing while bleeding can basically restore health.

[upper seal]

anyone else been rocking nothing but the new dmr and glock 18 because they know both are gonna be nerfed?

[late tartan]

the recoil on some of the 7.62s is like firing the AK in rust

Rust levels of recoil and ur talking about fuckall recoil

[blissful oyster]

Semi-Auto is better, I rather be able to control my shots than worry about getting dragged off target with auto and I have a decent click speed so I can gett about a full mag emptied in a few moments if need be

[molten prairie]

On hard however restoring to 50% health doesn’t do you much good since the damage cap is greater.

[tranquil fulcrum]

im not mag dumping, i just fire in 4 round bursts or so

[upper seal]

the AK we have in game has more recoil than some of the 7.62 nato rifles and it hurts my soul

[molten prairie]

Who knows though. I’ve been stuck on 23 mbs for 62 hours at this point.

[tranquil fulcrum]

yeah my click speed aint enough for these guys, ive tried but they will duck out and kill me if i dont do auto

[upper seal]

istg my 5'3 ass can magdump a shorty AK with better recoil control than judge

[late tartan]

it does make sense tho cuz like the .300 blk out was literally meant to be an upgrade over the 7.62x 39 the ak fires

same with the creedmoor

[upper seal]

what?

300blk was created by AAC in the US

[blissful oyster]

granted im gonna be real, play with what works for you dont follow other's layouts because thats what works for them.

There was a dude I met that ONLY uses the Raider X P320

[woven river]

And this dmg cap change between difficulties is something you 100% know still exist?

[late tartan]

yes, 300 blk is 7.62x 35, its meant to compete with the 7.62 x 39 fired by the AK interms of its ballistics

[molten prairie]

Yes, it’s on the list of in-game changes between difficulties.

[upper seal]

not at all, the 300blk was created to be an alternative to suppressed 5.56

[molten prairie]

It’s not a hidden change.

[tranquil fulcrum]

true, but dont run 9mm on a level where people have body armour unless you are looking for a handicap

or a challenge ig

i dare not peak an mlo with the glock

[late tartan]

yes but it competes with 7.62 x 39 interms of its ballistics

[blissful oyster]

he was taking them down with ease, its just a 4-5 tap and that dude is good with the gun he can get off 4 shots before you can finish a callout

like I said, its all about what works FOR YOU

[woven river]

I see, ceramic being better than steel plating does sound somewhat odd but i guess in extreme cases when suspects are throwing AP 308's at you, armor is out of the window mostly

[tranquil fulcrum]

in that case can i have the requiem from re9? its 7.62 in a revolver

[upper seal]

also another no to that one. 7.62x39 is far superior in terms of ballistics. 300blk is effective really only out to 200m max, and after that point, it has a LOT of ballistic drop. 7.62x39 its mostly effective out to 400m, and is usually still supersonic at that range, depending on the load

[late tartan]

Round Weight Barrel length Muzzle velocity Ballistic coefficient Energy at 300 meters
7.62×39 mm 123 gr (8.0 g) 16.5 in (420 mm) 2,396 ft/s (730 m/s) 0.280 712 J (525 ft⋅lbf)
300 BLK 115 gr (7.5 g) 16 in (410 mm) 2,295 ft/s (700 m/s) 0.300 777 J (573 ft⋅lbf)
300 BLK 125 gr (8.1 g) 16 in (410 mm) 2,220 ft/s (680 m/s) 0.320 829 J (611 ft⋅lbf)

its literally competing with 7.62 x 39 at 300 metres what are u on about

[blissful oyster]

Ceramic will stop the first 2 but usually they hit you in the head or arm before a chest tap

[upper seal]

300blk usually doesnt carry as much impact force either

[late tartan]

this is just incorrect, refer to the graph

[woven river]

Its not first 4 anymore or is that also a change to hard?

[upper seal]

both of those 300blk are supersonic, which defeats the point of the cartridge

[undone bane]

Bullet is bullet

[tranquil fulcrum]

but bigger is better i promise

[blissful oyster]

I just noticed it 2-3 on chest, 4 is the killer

[upper seal]

like i said before, 300blk was made to be subsonic, fired from a suppressed rifle

[undone bane]

But the big ones hurt

[late tartan]

"The 300 AAC Blackout was designed to achieve energies similar to the 7.62×39mm Soviet in an AR-15 while using standard AR magazines at their full capacity. "

[tranquil fulcrum]

im pretty sure its lore accurate to say that the mlo literally want you to shoot them

[upper seal]

source???

[tranquil fulcrum]

they like it

[blissful oyster]

MLO are literally just wanting to push you to break your composure

[eternal drum]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_AAC_Blackout. i just did ctrl+f on the entire quote

[late tartan]

"300 AAC Blackout Ammo". Mid America Munitions. Archived from the original on May 1, 2023.

[upper seal]

i have experience with both irl, 300blk isnt even in the conversation when it comes to being ballistically comparable 7.62x39

[late tartan]

Silvers, Robert. "300 AAC Blackout Low Visibility Carbine" (PDF). Advanced Armament Corp. Archived from the original (PDF) on April 30, 2013. Retrieved October 20, 2013.

[late prism]

Does wikipedia have a source attached to it or is just the wikipedia "trust me bro"?

[upper seal]

okay their entire argument is invalid now, wikipedia is the biggest source of false info lmao

[eternal drum]

do note that wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit

[late tartan]

xddd, its taken from a reputable source

[upper seal]

"reputable source" gets it from wikipedia

[late tartan]

that statement is derived from these sources " "300 AAC Blackout Ammo". Mid America Munitions. Archived from the original on May 1, 2023.
Silvers, Robert. "300 AAC Blackout Low Visibility Carbine" (PDF). Advanced Armament Corp. Archived from the original (PDF) on April 30, 2013. Retrieved October 20, 2013."

[woven river]

Last i checked the ceramics soak all of the first 4 hits and then revert to 40% pritection

[tranquil fulcrum]

which results in them dying in the process, probably the reason that they are trying to calm themselves down in half of the dialogues, they are martyr speedrunning

[late prism]

Wikipedia is a good place to start research and get a general idea as well as find more sources, it is not however something to base your entire argument off of and quote as a source without checking the sources for that and then just quoting those.

[upper seal]

this

compare your information to credible sources

[blissful oyster]

I mean that as well as wanting you to give in and be what you should be, one of the hijacked TOC quotes is literally "We understand that sometimes it feels good to kill"

[tranquil fulcrum]

i like the new TOC, he gets it when the civie gets smashed for running in front of a firefight

hes like the bob ross of domestic terrorists

[blissful oyster]

the MLO hijacked TOC is a rather lovely touch with A New America

and it makes me feel better about my actions, especially when I barrel stuff a civvie's head with a shogun

[tranquil fulcrum]

dawg idk why they modelled shotgun damage like that, looks like you took an ice cream scoop to their face

[blissful oyster]

doesn't matter to me, makes the shotgun headshots feel better

[molten prairie]

It’s not necessarily that it’s better it’s just armor won’t save you on hard tbh.

So might as well take the guaranteed 100% reduction for a few chest shots and not lose the mobility.

[woven river]

Steel balls tend to perforate surfaces when in high volume and tightly packed, each one creatjbg its own wound surface around it and they collapse on eachother

[tranquil fulcrum]

sure, but it dont look like that in game, it look like they took a shovel and just dug out 3cm of their face

[blissful oyster]

I liked it better when you literally blew their arms, legs, and head off

yet here we are with a 'censored' gore of it

[tranquil fulcrum]

:/

also is there any news of when the next hotfix will drop?

[blissful oyster]

unsure

I have learned that a mod called "Uncensored or Not" brings back that brutal gore

[late prism]

I only played on console release but I don't truly get why people are annoyed about certain parts of it

[tranquil fulcrum]

it was more the fact they bragged about it, then removed it i think

[stoic thistle]

You can still do that.

[blissful oyster]

because VOID said they would not censor the game and keep it as real as they could, than went back on their word when they ported it to consoles

thats why people are mad

[woven river]

Dismemberment is still existent. Afaik only change to gore when shooting is you cant desecrate bodies with dismemberment/disfigurement after the fact they die/incap

[blissful oyster]

must take a lot more to dismember than because I cant blow off arms, legs, or heads like before

[late prism]

I don't think most of the censorship was about realism it was about content in the maps like the little girl in twisted nerve afaik.

[random tangle]

I don’t know I took someone’s head off yesterday

[blissful oyster]

because I could put the barrel of a shotgun to the arm of a suspect before and blow it off but ever since the console updates I cant

so idk

[blissful oyster]

thats not what im saying, im saying VOID the dev's of the game said they would NEVER censor the game for any reason but that didnt last long

[late prism]

It was planned to be pc only originally right? Then when they wanted to port it to consoles (which the playerbase wanted and was very good for the games sales) then they had to because of consoles, at least what I've been told.

[blissful oyster]

Correct, the console co-publishers would not allow the game on Console due to the content in the game

so they had to censor it

[blazing raft]

The more I think about it the more it feels fake tho

Cause we have far worse games with gore etc on console, especially Playstation so idk it seems like a fake excuse

[molten prairie]

As a console player, they should’ve just done two branches if that was the issue.

[blissful oyster]

than no crossplay

[molten prairie]

True.

[covert aurora]

wasn't a feesable thing

[blazing raft]

An option to remove certain things from the game would've been better

If u want em u keep em on if u don't u keep em off

[molten prairie]

Load of games don’t have cross play though, and if it’s between that and keeping promises, I’d prefer they kept their promises.

[covert aurora]

toggle's weren't allowed in the game files

[molten prairie]

Option wouldn’t cut it. In this case, it’s the console manufacturers putting their thumb on the scale.

[blissful oyster]

its a fucked situation that understandly pissed off a lot of the community because they felt lied to by VOID

[blazing raft]

Nah I'd rather crossplatform

I wanna play with friends and other people that would kill the game

[blazing raft]

Oh ok

[undone bane]

Its even more fucked bc there's worse games on both consoles

[woven river]

Never said you cant. Pretty sure they only removed post mortem dismemberment.

[blazing raft]

Wich i repeat sounds dumb cause we have The last of us (both 1 and 2) that contains all the content that was censored in Ron

[undone bane]

Outlast trials blows this game out the water with the shock factor

[blissful oyster]

Either way, I dont care about the censorship all that much I only miss the gore but I get some strange enjoyment out of it.

The game's point is still made and it still makes me extremely angry at what humans are capable of doing

[late prism]

Also the game is very good at getting the message across without gore or spelling it out.

[woven river]

You miss what gore exactly?

[blazing raft]

Yeah point of game is unchanged anyways so I don't complain about censorship, I mean who does fr??

[undone bane]

Idk, the game was marketed around showcasing what these swat have to put up with in some of the worse situations, censorship should be optional at the very least

[blissful oyster]

a lot of people did because like I said they felt like VOID lied to them

[blazing raft]

I never knew they promised not to change thoose things so idc

But I can understand people that did know cared

[woven river]

It was mainly because they were patting themselves on the back on not pulling any punches on showing how gruesome the world can be and then bending the knee for me rather than the actual censorship but i enjoy the game the same otherwise.

[blissful oyster]

blowing off arms, legs, heads. Sure you say its still in the game but honestly I dont believe you because the most I can do is cave the head in on suspects

[molten prairie]

Not gonna pretend it makes sense, just saying what gets censored in this case ain’t entirely up to Void. Blame em for what’s actually their fault lol.

[blazing raft]

Anyways did they fix invisible cosmetics?? I can't enjoy the game if I can't use my cool outfits

[molten prairie]

Console manufacturers are notoriously fickle about censorship.

[woven river]

It still is in the game, basically only on 12 gauge and rarely on 308. You cannot do it post mortem so if a body is dead but still standing, another shot wont dismember it.

[late tartan]

the numbers that were on that wikepedia article were derived from a reputable source, infact if you just search 7.62 x 39 vs 300blk ballistics you will see that their ballistics are very similar, if you are unable to search i can send you several graphs with their respective website(s)

[blazing raft]

I'm not blaming anyone I'm saying for the info people give me neither console or void is blameable for this, there's some other reason that has not been told imo

[molten prairie]

Oh it’s Sony for sure.

[blazing raft]

Repeat sony has worse games that contain same stuff, makes no sense

[molten prairie]

RoN hits a bit too close to current affairs so Sony is throwing the book at them.

[blissful oyster]

Like I said, since it seems I have to keep repeating myself. I can not blow off heads arms or legs even if I literally stuff the barrel of it against their leg arm or leg

[molten prairie]

Also, Sony isn’t "fair" when it comes to content moderation.

[blissful oyster]

you can say its in the game all you want, but from what I have seen, it isnt

[late tartan]

theres a mod on pc that undo's the censership altho most of the censership is for stuff that people shouldnt really be complaining about

[molten prairie]

They are very biased.

[late prism]

I'm not arguing with the content in this case but generally just quote the source wikipedia used, if anything it will at least sound more credible with wikipedias reputation.

[blazing raft]

I can understand in the "close event" but game is older

[tranquil fulcrum]

its fine to quote Wikipedia in a gaming discord dawg...

[late tartan]

ik, theres literally 18 other ballistic graphs from other sources i couldve used but i just used the first one for convienience,

[molten prairie]

Like I said, don’t try and find any sense in Sony’s moderation policies.

[blazing raft]

I mean many old games if u look at em now represented what is happening rn but u can't just censore em for predicting future

[tranquil fulcrum]

especially if it has a source tied to the important part that is correct

[blissful oyster]

Sont is also notorious for being a shitty company so

[molten prairie]

They’re biased as hell and their rules are nonsensical.

[glass torrent]

whats the best grip for the gtwc

[blissful oyster]

Combat grip, no downsides better accuracy, ads speed, and vertical recoil

[late tartan]

try all of them out and see what feels best for u

[blazing raft]

Anyways does someone know when they are gonna fix clothes disappearing in first person??

[glass torrent]

holy shit the gtwc is insane this is like zero recoil

with a creedmoor too

[blissful oyster]

rtwc*

[glass torrent]

oops

[late tartan]

yeah bro, i got pissed off that someone literally pulled a reddit and did a "he used wikipedia argument invalid!!!111"

[tranquil fulcrum]

naked or not

[late prism]

Fair enough.

[late tartan]

meanwhile one google search of "ballistic profile of 300blk vs 7.62 x 39" yeilds you 20 different graphs which prove my point that they have similar ballistics

[tranquil fulcrum]

I just figured they were similar since they have almost the same diameter

I know that rule doesn't apply to high caliber ballistics but eh

[upper seal]

okay britboy, you have literally zero experience with firearms. i have been using them my entire life. im not gonna let to dude spit pure bullshit. go ahead, look it up on google. google immediately contradicts itself by saying "they are comparable in terms of ballistics" and short after, it states that 7.62 is superior is firepower, range AND has less bullet drop. so tell me, are they actually comparable? no, they are not in the slightest. stop using shitty sources for your information and maybe people wont tell you that youre being a moron

stop talking shit about people when they arent around. its disrespectful as fuck

[late tartan]

emotional, disregards sources cuz muh experience is better!!111

[upper seal]

i can tell you had shitty parents by the way you act

[late prism]

Well that was... a reaction

[glass torrent]

is the rtwc semi only?

[upper seal]

but its fine, im gonna go enjoy this blunt. have fun mr wikipedia

[covert aurora]

yes

[late tartan]

ive dmd you multiple sources of their ballistics if you cannot reply to that and continue being emotional ill just stop replying

[eternal drum]

yikes, what a time to talk about ready or not

[upper seal]

do not dm me.

[late tartan]

xdd

odd individual

[upper seal]

i already have enough idiots in my dms, i dont need another

have a pleasant day.

[late tartan]

like i said odd individual

[covert aurora]

enough both of you

[glass torrent]

mr wikipedia she says

[late tartan]

like i said, ive dm'd numerous sources backing my point of view

[eternal drum]

yeah unfortunately, but its pretty tight with how well it performs. if you're already preferring semi on your weapons then this is a great addition

[signal crow]

quick question, can the enemies see your laser or is that not a thing?

[undone bane]

Mabey? They react to your flashlight so mabey

Idk i always keep the laser on and toggle the flashlight when needed

[signal crow]

Alright alright, yeah i have been struggling on A New America

[upper seal]

yes, but you can spam the shit out of it, so it may as well be full auto

[signal crow]

Like I get rolled over time and time again

[late tartan]

use wedges

[upper seal]

there are IR motion sensors before some doorways, so they know when you are coming, if you didnt know

[signal crow]

ur kidding?

[upper seal]

they can be disabled like normal traps

[undone bane]

Nope

[covert aurora]

yes

[signal crow]

that explains like so much

[undone bane]

Use your NVGs to spot em

[upper seal]

you can see them with your NVGs

i was absolutely shocked when i first heard about it

[covert aurora]

just gotta find the box on the right side

[signal crow]

ohh lmaoo okay nowww i get it

[upper seal]

it made a whole lot of sense tho, i was getting slaughtered lmao

[undone bane]

Theres also ones you cant disable without security access

[upper seal]

just let me shoot it to disable smh

[signal crow]

yeah now i get why i am getting killed over and over again

[tranquil fulcrum]

now go do everything right and still get domed cause the mlo does this shit for fun

[signal crow]

lmao

[eternal drum]

it kinda just triggers their aggro, same with shooting them, shooting them triggers the sensors also

[covert aurora]

MLO's military training shows

[upper seal]

your life is about to get a whole lot easier

if you have competent teammates

[signal crow]

yeahh i usually duo with a friend of mine. But we both didnt know about the IR trips

[upper seal]

is it like that detroit urban survival tactics guy? i hope its that guy

[signal crow]

crazyyy, okay that explains like a lot lot

[eternal drum]

its where you hear that loud clicking sound

[covert aurora]

no, their training is more like actual military SOPs

breaching and flashing

[upper seal]

id be honoured to get absolutely folded by the guy that taught me to "grab the arm, now rotate, grab and disarm"

[upper seal]

had one of them flashbang me and i didnt shoot back bc i thought it was a friendly lmao

[covert aurora]

lol

[eternal drum]

maybe RoN should demonstrate a scripted sequence in how that does not work

[tranquil fulcrum]

oh and make sure to use the cctv room properly, you can hack the cams onto your tablet and get a free keycard on the table

[late tartan]

the cams are not really useful ngl

[tranquil fulcrum]

but they're free so why not right?

you literally have to walk right by them

[upper seal]

also gives you a rough idea as to where enemies might be hiding (corners n such)

[late tartan]

i mean the cam that shows u the room adjacent to the stairwell (the security access room) thats the only useful one

the first 2 are on the starting floor so theyre useless and the last 2 are on the courtroom floor, with one being inside the courtroom

[tranquil fulcrum]

I like the main hallway ones you often get on 20 and 21

if no one is there I dont need to clear them or I get free kills

rest do suck tho

[upper seal]

also wtf is up with all the civilians wearing ski masks on the bank mission??? (i know why, its just a pain to figure out who is who, which ik is the point)

[late tartan]

20 being the 1st or the 2nd floor

[blissful oyster]

If its on its visible mode, some can. IR's cant be

[brittle swan]

Programed psychosis actually fits its name because jesus christ that achievment

[somber monolith]

yep

[brittle swan]

I sure love checking a corner only for john psychosis to jump out and sprint-by me instantly killing me through my heavy armor

[late prism]

Which enemies can see lasers?

I just assumed all could honestly.

[brittle swan]

Although i gotta say the atmosphere is crazy on there ur constantly terrified

[carmine kindle]

Ik this is a discussion but it would be cool if there was a photo mode for consoles

[surreal pelican]

Holup, but aren't the MLO immune to gas?

[eternal drum]

gas is more of a flusher than a stunner, so they will still run away from it either way

i saw someone say that the new teargas is also ineffective to MLO but i cant confirm it bc they ran away, not sit there and choke to death

[late tartan]

is this what u used for the achievement

[pine flume]

Will the flash grenade launcher ever become free for those who bought base game RoN?

For Console I mean

[eternal drum]

no way thats whats used for the achievement omg, thats so much less interesting than i thought lmao, considering the brand new gas

[late tartan]

no bro its ass

thats why i asked if u used it to get the achievement💀

[eternal drum]

OH i missed that first bit my bad

[narrow blaze]

I just tried to get the heat is on and it didn’t work, are there any hidden requirements such as a certain score or having to play in single player?

[eternal drum]

no armor, no shield, no grenades on hard

i wouldnt know, but typically there is and even guides dont know sometimes

[somber monolith]

my reccomendation is taking a marksman rifle and camping the side

eliminate as much as you can from there then slowly cautiously move in

[narrow blaze]

I completed it with a friend and just didn’t get the achievement

[somber monolith]

if you die its invalid

[narrow blaze]

Oh

[somber monolith]

you can also use an m320 from when i did it

[narrow blaze]

Thanks

[somber monolith]

your welcome

make sure your friend is also equipped with the same rules in mind

[eternal drum]

wait so "grenades" dont work but launchers do?

[somber monolith]

yes

[eternal drum]

i love ron achievements

[somber monolith]

atleast when i did it but i expect they will patch it

[eternal drum]

yeah i bet

[somber monolith]

take advantage while you can though

keeping the suspects alive doesnt mean shit so kill as many as you need just make sure you no civs die

@narrow blaze get a marksman rifle or literally anything with a lpvo on it and watch for guns

[eternal drum]

i thought its complete right? one or two can die B)

[somber monolith]

i dont know for sure but i'd air on the safe side

[narrow blaze]

We’ll try all that

[fossil crow]

What are the los suẽnos stories

[somber monolith]

and be extra cautious of the balcony and windows into the upstairs meeting room

and that goes double for the vault, thats where you'll take the most heavy and armored resistance so if you go with the m230 save atleast one for that

and always check the right where the elevator is

almost a guarantee there will be a fuckstick waiting there

[eternal drum]

DLC 3, it had some filler missions via Hunger Strike and... i forgot what the other mission is. both are pretty rough

[somber monolith]

los suenos stories

[fossil crow]

I have 2 of them unlocked already

[eternal drum]

hunger strike used to be a pretty fun barricaded suspects mission, like a movie shootout but now its a speedrun to get to the end

[somber monolith]

not really a dlc as much as it is bonus content

[fossil crow]

Alright

My friend and I actually got touched when we played the left behind mission

[somber monolith]

in the hotel?

[fossil crow]

Yeh

[somber monolith]

dudes arent even that bad

i mean they're armored but other than that

[fossil crow]

there was this enemy that just fuckin walked up pointing a gun at us and didn’t even shoot

He walked right up to us lol

[somber monolith]

yeaa the guys with the machine guns are pains in the ass

just flash them

[eternal drum]

ive noticed the high capacity guns dont really act differently aside from obvious nonstop shooting

the rof and even sound is pretty samey

[fossil crow]

The mindjot data facility was fun though

[fossil crow]

Dude the LMGs were annoying af in the hotel

[signal crow]

Thennn ill switch to IR. The special forces on A New America have rolled me time and time again. Like they one tap me so hard even when I am the one holding the angle

[somber monolith]

if your talking player side theres different volumes of fire and damage

but on the ai side its all pretty much "machine gun go brrr" "machine gun with more ammo go brrr for longer"

[somber monolith]

use nv too they have ir sensors on the floor to detect you

[fossil crow]

How do I toggle the flip scope?

[somber monolith]

you can use this to your advantage by triggering it and holding an angle and letting them come to you

[signal crow]

ohh smarttt

[somber monolith]

same with your light

they'll "alert to it" and sometimes venture towards it

[signal crow]

actually good to know

[somber monolith]

if they dont at the very least you can get an idea where they are in the room

[signal crow]

true true, thanks for the help!

[somber monolith]

no problem i myself havent done psychosis so good luck and fair travels

[somber monolith]

also reason for the likeness in sounds is that from a untrained audible standpoint pretty much every shot profile sounds the same you can get autistic on it and pick up on different pitches and volumes to determine like size of the round being fired at you but other than that its all pretty much the same

at the end of the day its all loud so its hard to pick out whats what

[fossil crow]

The battle rifles are fun af

[somber monolith]

scroll

[fossil crow]

Ah

Thanks

[somber monolith]

your welcome

[blissful oyster]

the one with the masks yes

[eternal ledge]

Genuine question I’ve only seen it a handful of times but how does the AI feature of them ||killing there selfs|| work like does anybody know why they do this just curious

[marsh lark]

Stress level

[eternal ledge]

Is there any video or something I can read on how stress level works?

[marsh lark]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[eternal ledge]

Thank you 🙏

[uncut hollow]

is there a fix to the magnifier not being able to be switched?

[wind phoenix]

Am I the only one who spends just as much, if not more time customizing my characters as I do actually playing missions?

[thick dome]

ground branch syndrome. gb is the absolute most tactical barbie dress up sim around with basically no real gameplay. gb customization is off the chart lol. you can move all you attachments to different spots along your rails etc and it has real effects in game on aiming and so forth.

[wind phoenix]

That’s wild. I have such a bad habit of playing Barbie in any games with customization. The other main one for me is SWTOR. In which I have spent an uncomfortable amount of HOURS making outfits for different characters for different sceneries and stories. Lol

[uncut hollow]

try operator

[wind phoenix]

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of it

[uncut hollow]

if ground branch and ready or not had a baby literally.

[wind phoenix]

Ah. I’m not into many tactical shooters tbh. Ready or Not is the only one I play

[zinc lantern]

Operator my goat

[pseudo hull]

i think i've lost like 40 people in a new america (still havent beaten it..)

[rocky plover]

no cos it's instant mission fail, can't even kill him either afaik

[pseudo hull]

i remember i got everyone in that room arrested and i thought i could bag the detonator

atleast i got an ending out of it

[surreal turtle]

I have returned

[tough veldt]

Whats your secret

[pseudo hull]

why do my ai teammates throw flashbangs horribly

it didnt even throw it into the room

[vocal wing]

@pseudo hull they seem like they broke during the recent update. Happens maybe 15% of the time they just throw it at the wall or door frame and flash the team

[rocky plover]

Does Programmed Psychosis require a specific rank and above? I know it's a fail with F of course but does it work with E and above for example or is it D and above?

[pseudo hull]

is there more than one person with a detonator?

[woven river]

Is it just me or the 6.5 creedmoor platform we got this patch simply the best?

[rocky plover]

no

[pseudo hull]

i arrested the guy but the objective didnt finish and the bombs went off

[rocky plover]

it's strong but not as strong as 7.62x51 still

[rocky plover]

you have to disarm his vest as well

[pseudo hull]

unfortunate

[woven river]

suspects still drop at same amount of bullets. i think the incrment of damage between is small enough that its technically a flat upgrade to 308 just like the ammo IRL

[lost inlet]

Is there any maps where suspects needs 3 shots from .300 to incap?

[woven river]

likely suspects with lvl4 armor and some specific ones with very high suspect health

[rocky plover]

not on all maps however but ye it can still 1 shot some

[lost inlet]

6.5 could be 2 shots on that map without having to use a 7.62x51mm rifle.

[rocky plover]

just 1 map, and only if you're using AP, if you're using JHP it's 2 shot

[woven river]

7.62 dont always oneshot on all either

i have seen so far that its damage margin is about the same

[rocky plover]

if you're referring to hard mode, then yeah true

[lost inlet]

Well it’s gonna be on health cause AP .300 2 shots everything on the torso.

[rocky plover]

it's closer to .300 blackout than 7.62x51 though (very close to .300blackout)

[woven river]

with how controllable it is in comparison to 7.62 nato id take creedmoor any day

[lost inlet]

I guess lethal obsession? The suspects has the highest health in the game.

[split wasp]

They fixed the new achievements yet? Heard a couple were broke

[woven river]

bursts way more handily

[rocky plover]

ye except lethal obsession on hard which is 3 shot .300blackout with AP and 2 shot with JHP

[woven river]

you got the stat block?

[rocky plover]

ye on that i fully agree, the recoil is basically non existant compared to 7.62x51

[rocky plover]

spreadsheet ye

[lost inlet]

So 6.5 would be 2 shots on that map, hopefully.

[rocky plover]

yes both AP and JHP, just be aware that both AP and JHP for that ammo type suck at limbs

[woven river]

may i see? havent seen spreadsheets of newer ammo stat blocks anywhere

[lost inlet]

Damm, it got the pre-buff PDW’s treatment?

[rocky plover]

it's linked somewhere in this channel search for it

[woven river]

both types prolly has way too much velocity to stop at limbs

[rocky plover]

cos i dont know if i can send links

[woven river]

you can dm me it

[rocky plover]

Yea as he said^ they probably made it like that because it's a high velocity round

[woven river]

cuz id really like to know

[rocky plover]

ok 1 sec

[rocky plover]

oh there it is, beat me to it xD

[lost inlet]

@woven river

I don’t blame you, it got buried so deep, most people would likely scrolled past or got bored before they could reached it.

[pseudo hull]

can the ai teammates run out of ammo

[lost inlet]

Last i heard is no.

[coarse spear]

the 6.5 rifle is very long which is kind of annoying sometimes

[lost inlet]

Don’t hug the wall.

[rocky plover]

they run out of ammo and reload, but they do not run out of mags, 1 mag is enough and gives them infinite

[coarse spear]

but the wall is my friend

I don't usually hug the wall but there are some tight spaces where it can be a little annoying, not that it cant be mitigated, just a little annoying to deal with

unrelated tangent, but does anyone have any suggestions for better keybinds for canted irons and secondary sights? O and P keys are kind of a stretch lol

[rocky plover]

i have canted on my mouse near the one for light/laser and for secondary sight which i use far less i have it on ALT

[pseudo hull]

its kinda crazy suspects will turn around if you're looking at them

are they superhuman

[rocky plover]

ye they seem to even know when you're seeing them with the mirror-gun too because they change positions after you've used it lol

[bitter mason]

I put canted sights to B
Haven't bothered with secondary sights never use the scopes that have them

[rocky plover]

still good, but steel a bit stronger since it got buffed, and can live out longer

[molten wasp]

I WANNA FUCKING SCREAM BECAUSE I WAS CLOSE, FUCKING CLOSE COMPLETING RELAPSE UNTIL ONE OF MY OFFICERS DIED

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH I FUCKING HATE THE HAND WITH A BURNING FUCKING PASSION

[neon yew]

why are squad members so weak mentally lol they go into crisis each time i shoot like 1 person or something

[mortal geode]

randoms are a different state of mind XD one without a vest, second shooting at everything that moves, third one walking into traps, I have a lot of fun with it

[runic prism]

Guys i made a RoN guide on Google Docs and i wanted to publish it to help new players. Do you know where i can paste the link?

[finite oxide]

stolen valor is mentally breaking me

[mortal geode]

i think you can do it here

[runic prism]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vR9uQimr48naowR_joUz1eFDFpaLsErdR-1N-nJgOZ4/edit?usp=sharing
here. If some of you wanted, you can comment the doc to help me make it more accurate

[surreal pelican]

I started using flashlight bait over mirrorgun

[rocky plover]

nice what about both XD

[coarse spear]

won't lie, this is put together a lot better than I expected it to be, nice work

[runic prism]

Thanks man, appreciate it

[mortal geode]

it looks good, need more color text because now it looks little boring to look at

[runic prism]

oh ok, thanks. i'll try something

[surreal pelican]

Yeh mirrorgun too to double confirm

[coarse spear]

I personally think the black text is fine but its your choice

Do you want grammatical/syntax suggestions or are you looking more for content suggestions?

[runic prism]

both, actually

[flint snow]

have the devs fixed the throwing naders through doorways bug?

[coarse spear]

Cool, I'll give it a good read and put edits whenever I notice something :) Need to take a little break after dying on ANA lol

[runic prism]

Thanks man

[zinc lantern]

How will this differ from the sheets guide that exists?

[runic prism]

It's just more conversational, i wanted to make it easier to understand and read

I put some CQB basics too and some tips for SWAT AI

[calm jay]

I can't believe they didn't add the LSPD SWAT Patch to the L9 Shirt and its variations.

[signal oyster]

Why is the SWAT 4 AI more complex and realistic than RoN???

I swear
Shooting at a suspect, most of the time they just walk away while shooting you
But in SWAT 4, they look for cover and shoot back

[stone bay]

Because they have no interest in making a perfect game, no one has, plus they can make promises for future updates

[signal oyster]

They also call out to others

[signal oyster]

I'm getting flashbacks from the Half-Life Opposing Force 2 incident

[stone bay]

Its a business method used by everyone

The rule is never give out your best, fix those problems in future updates or even future games to make more profit

[signal oyster]

Uh... That game had many promises for a release, even a beta, yet even three years after the promises they actually released it. As a demo

[stone bay]

?

Oh nvm

[signal oyster]

Half life opposing force 2

[stone bay]

True, but its as the same as dropping a sequel game. You dont put all your ideas in your first game. You put them in the future games to ensure more profit

Its greddy and sucks for players but its a paradise for them.

[halcyon belfry]

Autoflashbang dispenser

[gleaming moon]

It’s a silly gun

[signal oyster]

Yes I know, but the game wasn't a real one. It was a fan project that turned into a depressing job forced by the community

[stone bay]

Idk much abt that game anyway, im talking abt swat 4 and ron. But i get your point

[molten wasp]

Dude I want to break my fucking controller BUT I CAN'T

[limpid stirrup]

this games ass

[mortal geode]

why people don't wear vest on ANA? like bro you're gonna be one tapped

[rocky plover]

i think because they prefer to make use of having more utilities, if you're still gonna get 1 tapped most of the time, maybe survive 1-2 shots at most lol

[wind gyro]

[coarse spear]

Made a few more suggestions on the SWAT AI section. Google Docs started acting weird about halfway through so some of the edits are split into multiple pieces. I tried my best to maintain your voice, just made some slight grammatical, syntax, and vocab adjustments to help with flow and clarity. Will take a look at the other sections in a little bit, going to take another stab at ANA

[runic prism]

understood, thanks man. I'll fix everything. Good luck

[coarse spear]

Sure thing, hope it helps :)

[molten wasp]

Any experts on who have completed relapse on hard mode, trying to get S rank because I'm nearly done with the commander story

[stone bay]

Flash grenade launcher and pepper spray

And max armor steel plates

[rocky plover]

^ would swap pepper spray with taser though, find it much better as a backup

[runic prism]

full steel armor even for SWAT AI?

[molten wasp]

What about officer traits

[rocky plover]

ye always heavy full steel for swat AI

while i use light steel for myself

[stone bay]

Yep, to ensure they dont dye

I would give the ai pepper ball guns

[runic prism]

i usually use full ceramic, doesn't steel gives problems for splashing?

[rocky plover]

pacifier, negotiatior, nutritionist, armorer is all you wanna care about, others are trash except veteran - it's ok

[stone bay]

They wont do much but its good to ensure they dont kill the suspects

[rocky plover]

only to others, not yourself. plus its very minimal anyways

[stone bay]

Ceramic works too

On ai

On you steel is mandatory

[molten wasp]

And what about the gear, full shield

[uncut hollow]

holy, did they give this new AI some steroids?

[rocky plover]

2 pacifier 2 negotiators is good for S rank, if you're struggling staying alive or swat AI dying use, 1 nutritionist, 1 armorer, 2 negotiators

[rocky plover]

i dont like shield for S ranks because you're limited to the TRPL

[runic prism]

Oh ok thanks, i'll try it. I usually gave SWAT AI full ceramic and used front steel on myself.

[molten wasp]

So no shields for my swat team

[rocky plover]

flash launcher or beanbag is the way to go, pepperballs guns are meeh imo
light armor for yourself and heavy for Ai everything steel if you want max protection

ceramic if you want slightly more mobility, still good

[rocky plover]

i mean it's still a good choice especially when paired with armorer

[rocky plover]

personal preference, imo i'd just give them flash launcher

[molten wasp]

You know the bomb room should I clear out the room myself or swat team

[rocky plover]

on ANA?

or relapse?

[molten wasp]

Relapse

[rocky plover]

together but take point to avoid them dying

[molten wasp]

Which main entry and what route I should take

[runic prism]

underground

[wide verge]

Is steel better than ceramic? Whats the difference?

[runic prism]

steel can't break but covers only the 86.5% of damage. Ceramic covers 100% but breaks after some shots

[rocky plover]

personal preference tbh not much difference, i prefer main entrance so skybridge is safer to cross

^^ as he said, you survive more shots with steel, also due to bleeding mechanic that resets you back to 50% if you're below that, which happens only with steel

[wide verge]

Ive been running ceramic the whole time

[runic prism]

Ceramic's valid. But i suggest you to use it when you're confident with game. Or at least in shorter missions.

[rocky plover]

i mean it;s still good, but once it breaks it only covers 40%

[wide verge]

How's the movement speed with steel?

[runic prism]

full steel is slow, i think every steel plate reduces the acceleration by 15%

but i don't remember precisely

[ionic gale]

I just use steel plates with light armor

I switch to ceramic if I ever run heavy armor

[rocky plover]

only noticeable tbh if you take heavy with full coverage, light with front and back is very slightly slower than ceramic

and just front plate steel is basically almost same as front&back ceramic

i either run light front and back steel or light front only steel most of the time

[runic prism]

I usually run heavy with only front steel, but i should try light. I just fear my SWAT AI with light would die immediately

[rocky plover]

if you;re using front only plate it's kinda useless to take heavy, it's exact same as using front only on light and you're missing out on 2 slots

the only difference with heavy is the side protection if you wish to use it

[wide verge]

It would just feel weird to me to use steel

[rocky plover]

well i would always give AI heavy full coverage steel, they suck at facing danger with their front plate

[runic prism]

oh ok thanks. And yeah, they suck sometimes

[rocky plover]

well I used to always use ceramic before, but then steel got buffed and it's speed penalty reduced and I started using steel now, got very used to it

[wide verge]

Is it enough to give ai one mag for primary and secondary each? They dont run out of ammo?

[pliant frost]

I'm still running ceramic, steel feels slow to me

[rocky plover]

correct

[runic prism]

wait really? they don't run out of ammo?

[rocky plover]

with heavy full coverage yeah, but with front only or front and back it's barely any difference

[wide verge]

Well damn. Here I go making new loadouts. Thank you buddy

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[runic prism]

that's diabolical

[wide verge]

I feel dumb. Lol

[rocky plover]

they do and reload but they don;t run out of mags, 1 is enough

[runic prism]

broken game

[pliant frost]

Yeah, is back plate even worth it?

[wide verge]

They do run out of grenades tho?

[runic prism]

yeah

[rocky plover]

and for the flash launcher you dont need to give them any slots for it since it has 1 free "mag" by default

[wide verge]

Yea I noticed that

[rocky plover]

ye they run out of wedges, c2, nades etc...

[wide verge]

That makes things much easier

[rocky plover]

if you're confident of your surrendings and have good security, not that needed

[wide verge]

Been playing since July like a dumbass

[rocky plover]

i mean we always find out new things in this game lmao

so many things that gets out just by exploring lol

[wide verge]

It's not explained anywhere either

[rocky plover]

true....

[pliant frost]

I noticed that you're often shot into limbs, so I prefer using ceramic. I don't remember when was the last time when plate cracked

[wide verge]

Last thing..ai doesn't suffer movement speed penalties from heavy armor?

[rocky plover]

they match the speed you have so doesnt matter what they wear

[wide verge]

Cool

[pliant frost]

I recommend you using armorer trait on one officer and nutrionist on other

[rocky plover]

yeah true i always get shot on my arms and legs the most but it can still penetrate

ye for my ironman run i used 1 nutritionist, 1 armorer and 2 veterans

[wide verge]

Does it a a actually make a difference giving ai AP or JHP mags?

[rocky plover]

ye it makes a difference, I suggest giving them 7.62 JHP apart on the maps where they have L4 which there is only like 4 (sins of the father, elephant, leviathan, a new america).
Other maps such as lawmaker and neon tomb only have just 1 suspect with L4 so i wouldn;t worry too much about swapping ammo type on these 2 maps

[wide verge]

Makes sense

Thank you

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[wet chasm]

oh we’re being FED

[tulip valve]

Who the hell is ron and why is he being brought into the reactions

[quasi coral]

#announcements Caught it right on time

[tiny girder]

Wish boiling point dlc was on sale as well despite the fact that it launched newly

🥀

[odd pier]

This new update makes me very happy 👍

[fossil bobcat]

Only 1 new gun on console?

[quasi coral]

Welp, they STILL haven't mentioned the thumb clipping issue

[tiny girder]

THIRTY SEVEN GIGABYTES OF UPDATE?

[coral tapir]

Yo guys is it just me or is a few bug fixes eating 37.4GB lmao

[rocky plover]

38

it;s because it has to go through the whole files

[tight sentinel]

Fixed performance issues caused by rubber ducks.

Ducks will be the downfall of Los Suenos.

[rotund cypress]

Can the glock reload now

[vestal mauve]

how do people STILL not understand how Steam updates work

[rocky plover]

ikr xD

[coral tapir]

Ok to be completely fair I have never seen anything like this lol

[bitter mason]

they fixed performanced issues caused by rubber ducks before they made the AI good

[rocky plover]

hmm good question, they didn't mention it in patch notes, so idk

[rotund cypress]

So no

[rocky plover]

most likely not ye

[coral tapir]

Rest In Peace... my beloved microwave.

No more compact ass microwave.

[lilac violet]

Could someone summarize for me what has changed in today's update?

[uncut hollow]

basic performance issue fixes / bug fixes

[tight sentinel]

Lighting. Ducks. AI.

[rocky plover]

haunted house being too dark
some microwave
enemies opening fire too fast on hard
and some other fixes for console

[lilac violet]

Okey, Thanks!

[lilac violet]

Okey, Thanks!

[lilac violet]

Thanks you!

[rocky plover]

👍

[cosmic jasper]

Is it me or does the ai keep flagging you on the last dlc map

[slate fern]

Yo

People gimme ur favorite loadouts

[olive terrace]

i downloaded some 37 gb shit and now it deleted all my saves and contentt

anyone know what to do?

[still pond]

how do we spend so much time looking at decor to notice an invisible microwave

[delicate pivot]

Yeah all my stuff got deleted also
Every cosmetic, level, and loadout
Even my keybinds and settings

[worthy agate]

any 7.56 rifle with the usp 45, mirror gun, flashbangs and c2

[uncut hollow]

BeanBag - G19 and tons of 9 bangs

[restive locust]

"updating" by downloading 37 gigs?

[olive terrace]

yeah bro idk what the fuck is going on

[olive terrace]

it deleted my save and everything

[rocky plover]

bec it has to overrite everything

[wet chasm]

mk18, 14.5 barrel with suppressor, eotech, peq 15, flashlight, angled/vertical grip, got yourself the classic marine set up

[gaunt spindle]

Update doesnt seem to be live on console right?

[restive locust]

that i understand but a whole 37 gigs? surely its not doing a helldivers 2 equivelant of duplicating assets

[rocky plover]

it;s how it works, a small patch has to go through all the files

[olive terrace]

the new "fixes" deleted my save and everything what the fuck is going on

[simple ore]

thats normal what

[restive locust]

i highly doubt a small patch affecting a few pointers need to go through ever individual file, map related, sure w.e that ill buy

[pliant frost]

Update dropped now?

[coral tapir]

Opinions on Raider x P320 lmfao

[rocky plover]

ye going through with the 2nd update for some reason

[deep patio]

GA416, Five-Seven, Mirror Gun, Couple flashes, lockpick gun, a stinger or two, heavy front and back ceramic armor and ballistics mask along with GPNVGs

[rocky plover]

quite fun for tapping heads

[olive terrace]

new update deletes saves

[deep patio]

do people actually use that

[restive locust]

but downloading a fresh set seems odd for a bugfix unless it fixes the old files then its fair game

[rocky plover]

i do for pistol only run xD

[night hawk]

yo

g18c is glitched

[deep patio]

i usually go USP45 for that

[night hawk]

doesnt reload

[solid ore]

bruh i runned safe mode and it just deleted my 2 years worth of progress from my files wtf

[night hawk]

how could they not fix that

[restive locust]

my question is why does the game act as if its my first time launching it?

[coral tapir]

IDK but I was so bored I had to use it.

[rocky plover]

ye same, flux raider x p320 and usp45 both xD

[wet chasm]

honestly dude I’m never using the g19 again in ready or not, I like the white irons on the g18c WAY better

[tight sentinel]

Same, I just finished S ranking Boiling Point too ;-;

[restive locust]

so thats fun lost progression but not career stats?

[vast wharf]

why is this update 37 gigs

[deep patio]

well carreer stats are tied to your account i believe ?

[olive terrace]

the update deletes ur gamesave

[vast wharf]

gulp

[restive locust]

and why does the game overwrite my savegame then

[olive terrace]

i lost every fucking thing

[thick thorn]

W void now i can finally try programmed psychosis again

[restive locust]

and reset my settings?

[coral tapir]

Honestly never liked Glocks at all, but 18C saves itself from being a comical piece by its fully automatic capabilities.

[deep patio]

NOT MY KEYBINDS

Anything but my weird keybinds!

[night hawk]

is no one going to talk about the reaload glitch for the g18c?

[olive terrace]

EYY

I GOT MY SHIT BACK

[restive locust]

so you mean to tell me 37 gigs of bugfixes are also somehow tied to my personal progression and savegame? which not only act as if i abruptly uninstalled half the game but uh fucks me over in the process?

[deep patio]

say what keys do y'all use to lean

[tight sentinel]

Oh good, they reverted the dev build update

[olive terrace]

idk i verified game files

[peak parrot]

I just did home invasion it was fun

[restive locust]

okay then

[tight sentinel]

I bet you use Z and C like a freak. I leave it Q/E

[deep patio]

worse

[marsh lark]

There are some issues for some people related to steam cloud saves

[deep patio]

way worse.

[coral tapir]

Default, Q E for the quick ones and ALT + whatever movement keys for the free.

[tight sentinel]

F1/F12? Lol

[plush leaf]

Front side mouse key to lean left, rear side mouse key to lean right

[deep patio]

okay not that level

[peak parrot]

Not a pc Player but what button is the tactical squat?

For pc players*

[deep patio]

i use Left Control/Space and Left Alt for free lean

[olive terrace]

ey bro i verified game files and i got my shit back

[tight sentinel]

That's... Not that bad actually

[plush leaf]

I want to lean as fast as those Siege players can flick so I adopted this method lol

[restive locust]

mmm then uh, how does that tie into 37 gigs

[stoic echo]

Didn’t know space free lean was a common thing hy

[deep patio]

my fingers are naturally there and i like having my finger on the movement keys so

i just shoved low ready to G and crouch to C

[olive terrace]

verifing game files fixes it i think

[delicate pivot]

I actually just got another 36.1 GB update so I'm wondering if this is a patch for the patch
If not I'll try your theory though!

[marsh lark]

It checks for game files, verifies and replaces some

[tight sentinel]

It looks like they made it the Dev Build, broke people's save files, panicked, then released the ACTUAL update (still big to revert back to full release) and got our shit back

[olive terrace]

yeah when i verified it downlaoded again 37 gb too

[marsh lark]

Unfortunately that whole thing will show as if it is downloading/installing that much

[restive locust]

explains why then

[plush leaf]

Idk what you guys bind reload to but I have to bind reload, fast reload and magazine check to 3 separate keys

[deep patio]

i just hold R to check, r to reload normally and double tap to fast reload

[tight sentinel]

I'm already used to Tarkov buttons so I kinda use those lol

[plush leaf]

Because I got killed once by pressing reload a bit too long and it changed into checking my mag

I bind Left Alt to fast reload, ` to mag check and R to reload

[restive locust]

so imma just redownload my 37 gigs again i suppose xd

[deep patio]

i can understand ` but why left alt

[plush leaf]

Reachable only by thumb so I won’t accidentally drop my mag

[deep patio]

Good point

[vale plume]

This game is getting an upgrade

[plush leaf]

Mag check with my pinky finger and mag drop with thumb, reload with my index, easier

[vale plume]

Mag dump

[plush leaf]

(But I run mostly shotguns nowadays for the John Wick LARP and for the ANAmerica Hard mode solo achievement)

[stone bay]

Bruh another 36 gb update?

I just downloaded the other one

[mossy bison]

Well if you want your saves back, better get started on the 2nd one

[stone bay]

Welp ig so

[violet sorrel]

another long update :(

[sacred bridge]

Where the lasers fixed in this patch or nah

[tight sentinel]

I feel like in ANAmerica 6.5 doesn't feel as strong as 7.62, but it could just be me

[supple edge]

anyone know My eyes, It Burns! this achievement fixed?

[surreal pelican]

Not yet

[wet chasm]

who lied to me and said 556 doesn’t work on the suspects in ANA, I’ve been DETERIORATING these dudes with 2-3 shots of AP 556

[surreal pelican]

Is programmed psychosis achievable now? Since they tweaked the reaction time

[mortal geode]

"Fixed haunted house being unnaturally dark" that was a bug?

[supple edge]

still broken?

[plush leaf]

Yep, it was invisible even under NODs. You have to run the flashlight while NOD is on to even see

[surreal pelican]

Yes; they didn't say they fixed it in the patch notes

[supple edge]

alr tysm

[plush leaf]

12 gauge buck one taps extremities lol

Leg meta

[mortal geode]

did they even test those maps before releasing?

[plush leaf]

Looks last patch
CS gas was completely unusable
It’s still weak AF now

Yeah

Welcome to VOID

[surreal pelican]

50 ms

[noble rune]

How much has the reaction of the bots changed after they encountered an error related to shooting starting earlier than expected?

[surreal pelican]

I mean that's the OG one; but idk about now

I'm just hoping it isn't as bullshit as what happened before the patch

[tawdry star]

Did mods just break?

[knotty parrot]

Did someone else noticed that the SDR Optics zoom level of "1" is not "1" but like "0.5"?

[split wasp]

Hey so I need help

[mossy coral]

Does anyone know how to change stab vest Colour?

As it’s stuck on green

[split wasp]

I am trying to S rank greased palms, there is only 1 suspect left and he has no gun. He's just standing and refusing to get down. I've bean bagged him 20 times, tasered him, yelled at him, hit him, he just isn't going down. What do I do?

[mortal geode]

the FISA one?

[split wasp]

Yep

[mortal geode]

are you playing with team bots? maybe try to command one

[split wasp]

To do what? They've shot and hit him, that's all they have

[surreal pelican]

Flash launcher (primary); have 2x pacifiers 1x armourer 1x negotiator

[lime kernel]

it seems like you won't have S rank on this run...
i lost S rank at Relapse in same way, just civvie wasn't complying (though it was long ago, before boiling point)

[night hawk]

؟

[mortal geode]

for me commanding one bot to do something to him worked

[split wasp]

Never have I seen a more abysmal game

[lime kernel]

sometimes it surprises me, but mostly it make me insane

meth heads and terrorists on relapse can tank 5 bullets 5.56 in chest like a good champ

while i'll require the medic bag after one 9mm bullet in my heavy full steel armor

[coarse spear]

I'm not sure I saw it correctly but can AI on ANA kick doors open? Could have swore I just saw one breach a door before magdumping half of my squad

[warm gate]

They should give us an ammo bag and medic bag because it would be nicer to be able to full heal and refill mags

[thick thorn]

yo does anyone know if "My Eyes, It burns!" is fixed in the new patch? It didnt say but thats a fairly big bug

[lime kernel]

they're able

[hazy token]

no lets not be ridiculous now

[warm gate]

Yep and they throw flashbangs

[hazy token]

[lime kernel]

AI at ANA can also throw flashbangs

[final jacinth]

did they fix the "my eyes it burns" achivement? i think its still broken

[lime kernel]

and headshot you through floors (probably)

[hidden quest]

Is the update was like 6gb?

[fathom niche]

mods broke again i assume

[final jacinth]

i dont see the fix in the change log

[hidden quest]

Cus lord have mercy, beside what i read. On the steam i have to download like 40gb

[final jacinth]

so yeah i think its still broken bruh

[quaint palm]

Download is broken for you as well ?

[hidden quest]

Its broken?

[quaint palm]

I donno man i wasn't able to download latest patch (it was looping on starting download with 2mbs)

[mortal geode]

i just got killed with a 9 bang, damn

[quaint palm]

So i am re installing it and download speed is capped at like 40mbs instat of 1gbs

[hidden quest]

That's bad, but man i had to download the entire game for a patch?

[quaint palm]

idk about you. it's in my case

[hidden quest]

That ís 2 hours worth of waiting i guess

[quaint palm]

was askin if somebody had the same issue to determine if it was issue on my side or not

[light barn]

This is probably a dumb question but I got RoN in like 2024 but never went in to select the supporter edition thing on the steam settings, am I outta luck?

[hidden quest]

So now you are installing the game?

[narrow valve]

any news of the g18 glitch being fixed or nah?

[dense plover]

If you payed for it when it was available should have it

[light barn]

I did and never received anything

I guess it wasn’t 2024 but very early 2025

[dense plover]

And about that crazy seeing people beg for it to be free and shaft the supporters “they had it long enough it’s not fair”

[dense plover]

It ended 2023 you sure it’s supporter your talking about?

[hazy token]

supporter edition was discontinued in 2023, so i don't believe you had that option available

[hollow finch]

Just me or does focal distance/aperture not do anything? im trying to get a bokeh effect in a screenshot but cant get it to work

[light barn]

Huh weird okay

Nvm I’m stupid my bad gang

[late tartan]

shoot his knees with ur pistol

[gaunt venture]

Actually terrible when theres a hostage on a GIANT map and you have NO idea where they are and they WILL get killed. Or a hostage randomly gets killed without warning, (not even a "hey man theres a hostage"). They just die. Im losing intrest in the game because of this.

[hazy token]

depends on the map, active shooters do target civilians so speed is vital in those missions. and keep an ear out for TOC saying that suspects have taken hostages, thats a cue that you gotta move

[grave tendon]

Will all bugs be fixed in time??

[dense plover]

Should be able to refill mags at the truck honestly healing though naw a reinforcement mechanic would make more sense send out an injured officer for a new one

[warm gate]

Or just a dbno state where you can be drug back or hit with morphine or something right where you are insted of just dying or losing officers

[grave tendon]

I wish the healing would be like COD

[unique shoal]

Can I add ai in multiplayer?

[final jacinth]

no

[dense plover]

I fucking wish they need a ai fill in option modders get to work

[unique shoal]

Fr

Also what’s wrong with the mod shop i only see like 6 mods

[cursive minnow]

Wiped every major update.

Use nexus.

[dense plover]

Wouldn’t magically remove the bullet in your arm or leg it’s a realistic game you know what happens when you get morphine right you slow down get tired and otherwise not a heal all

[unique shoal]

Alr

[empty briar]

At this point me and my crew have despised considering all gods burn in rotation cause all they do is Blow the Civ's heads off before you get past the door lmao

[gaunt venture]

I just played the boat mission and a hostage was killed in 56 seconds. Mind you I was going the same speed of a speedrunner.

[warm gate]

Ofc just a get up and back in the fight like how arma is

And i have dropped so many rifles and lmgs on arma

[dense plover]

Should be dragged away if still alive but In reality you would be in recovery for a bit at most adrenaline would help not morphine

[warm gate]

Epinephrine would work wouldnt it?

[dense plover]

Somewhat reinforcements would make more sense especially on multiplayer when there’s only 4 people

[warm gate]

Like you get drug away and tems comes in grabs you and sends a new officer

[hazy token]

that strategy may be part of the issue. i won't spoil anything but your actions can affect suspect actions

[gaunt venture]

Theres only so much time you have before a grabbed hostage gets shot in the head and you lose 700 points

[dull lintel]

bought my friend in the philipines this game and we have issues connecting. I'm usa

[hollow finch]

umm

[dull lintel]

Yes?

[hollow finch]

hate to break it to you but not surprising. no central servers so its peer to peer literally across the world

[dull lintel]

Ok thats weird casue inst l4d2 the same? Yet we had no issues there

[gentle python]

Are you US East or West?

[dull lintel]

I'm midwest so IDK how I would fall

[fathom laurel]

can you both connect to any other lobby, even US/philippines ones?

just make sure your multiplayer works in general first

[dull lintel]

He said he tried. I havent tried joina public one

[gentle python]

Ah yes, I wish the healing in a SWAT simulator would be the same as in a Battle Royale game 🙄

[fathom laurel]

just see if you can even get multiplayer running to check if playing with others at all works

[dull lintel]

will do, after this update

[fathom laurel]

oh yeah also make sure you guys are on the same game version

if you or him updated first that might be causing it too

[radiant musk]

damn cant believe we got an update and not even 2 minutes in i crash..

[warm gate]

All we need is a drag and reinforce mechanic or like epinephrine for our people to get up and fight not a heal all just a way back in the fight cod healing would make the game bad

[grave tendon]

@gentle python at least it would give you a chance to ahoot the bad guy

[gentle python]

Yeah I agree, some sort of "revive" mechanic would be cool, but imo you shouldn't just be able to magically whisk away damage you've taken

[grave tendon]

But then again this game is supposed to be realistic

[gentle python]

Y'know what else gives you a chance to shoot the bad guy? Playing tactically

[grave tendon]

Yes

I'm glad the floating shells patch fixed

[warm gate]

Dbno with a pistol to stay in and a teammate with medical sruff like a tourniquet epinephrine bandages something like that to get you back up in fighting shape thats not a cure all would be awesome

[gentle python]

I really like Operator's health system for this

You get a limited number of supplies and each thing does one thing better than another but not to such an extreme as the ArmA ACE system

[warm gate]

Oh even normal arma has medics its sailene bandages tourniquet and morphine

[radiant musk]

yo did they not just release a hotfix? im crashing back to back.

[gentle python]

Have you played since the boiling point update, but before the hot fix?