👮ron-discussion

[reef spade]

and you can do the same with the so-called "kamikazes" themselves

[warm gate]

Yea we can defuse vests now apparently also neon tomb i remember seeing a civ freak out and that was the first time ive seen one defused by an ai officer too

[light dust]

I don't know if in blind or stupid but I almost never see em till the muzzle flash

[reef spade]

In fact, the developers added a bunch of nice little things in this update

[light dust]

I wish they'd at least stand still when they shoot at me

[warm gate]

Honestly on the pier map i used a magnifier scope and a canted iron sight on the arwc qnd it felt nice

[reef spade]

but I want them to make the AI strong, specifically the special forces, since they don't even shoot well with the grenade launcher, not to mention other important things

[warm gate]

I had that issue with the game too if you can find a spot to free lean under like a desk or something throw a flash bang or stinger to slow them down then see what you can do

[warm gate]

Apparently the military guys are a bit more resistant to cs gas but im not sure if thats actually a thing or not

[crude prism]

Afaik there's nothing you can do to impact the actual recoil recovery time.

Several grips make ADS time faster (mostly just angled)

But for sway, TECHNICALLY putting on a Vertical Grip or TH grip will help SLIGHTLY with the "deadzone" or "drifting" effect where your weapon is floaty and desyncs from screen center.

It's listed as "deadzone" on the weapons page in the attachments section at the bottom

[reef spade]

Sometimes between mission restarts it gets so boring that I log into Clash Royale

[warm gate]

I caught myself playing papas cheeseria while building a loadout

[reef spade]

I use a grenade launcher that shoots flashbangs, since it would be more effective for me to use a traumatic shotgun. I give the grenade launcher to one of my teammates, but they use it so terribly, and sometimes the suspects have no reaction at all to it. Besides the terribly loud sound, there is also the flashbang, which often flies directly under the suspect. And I'm only talking about regular story missions

[warm gate]

I have been hit by a beanbag irl those things suck but flash launcher is really useful

[balmy patio]

yeah i dont mind recoil i just hate the sway that happens when you try to flick to an enemy, or are there weapons with better "deadzone" than others?

[reef spade]

To be honest, sometimes the reaction of suspects to the same flash drive and other equipment is so unrealistic. The same pepper rifle, after the bullets that hit the suspect, they burn their eyes so terribly, and not only will it be too difficult to recover from this in 20 minutes, but rather impossible. On a lot of maps there are many suspects who, at best, will have at least light body armor, for example, that's all the ammunition except for the weapon

[crude prism]

Please refer to the "drag" bar

[reef spade]

I heard that a flashbang grenade has such a terrible and unpleasant effect that people often can't even stand up properly for a while

[warm gate]

I can attest to cs gas but my dad hit himself with a flashbang in a training and he said last thing he heard was him going aw fu then all the ringing happened

[reef spade]

Honestly, sometimes it's funny how suspects behave and react to various grenades and other things, and how to force them to surrender. Basically, their behavior in different situations is like they're actors. Maybe Void Interactive has the ability to watch everyone play and make suspects act weird. It's funny, especially not surrendering after a bunch of shots from a traumatic shotgun😭

[warm gate]

When they yell i cant see and stuff i get a bit of a chuckle from it

[reef spade]

Well, how can an unprotected suspect decide to run after that and start squeezing you as if he's not an ordinary criminal, but a trained soldier

[reef spade]

and after a couple of seconds they look at you as if nothing happened, and they can even get up and kill your partner

[warm gate]

I mean cs gas i got hit with made me think i was dying dont get hit with it while you have a sinus infection flashbangs are prolly worse tho

[upper trellis]

The game should really play those cutscenes before each mission that are on YouTube if it’s your first time doing a map

[warm gate]

Id love to see a breifing cutscene between d platoon tbh

Judge sitting there looking pissed then everyone else is reading or checking their guns

[floral peak]

Ok so I reached the jammer, and there indeed a ammo box… but i can’t interact with it

[somber monolith]

is it mission failed if flower face gets killed

[warm gate]

I think the bomb goes off if he gets killed

[upper trellis]

Imagine that MLO evidence video playing before going into new America, sheesh

[warm gate]

You talking abt the one trailer

[somber monolith]

yea but is that parameters for a fail for a psychosis run

[reef spade]

Well, I'm surprised at how the suspects in the game seem like superhumans

[warm gate]

Yea you have to arrest him and hit the bomb yourself

[upper trellis]

Can’t wait for a vid breaking down all the boiling point lore too

[somber monolith]

no psychosis not manipulation

[warm gate]

Id think they would go down with trained ex cops and military it would take a bit longer

[warm gate]

Apartment or prison?

[somber monolith]

me after hitting you point black with an mgl and you get back up and shoot me in the face

[floral peak]

We all waiting for Shayne to drop em

[upper trellis]

Yup

[somber monolith]

psychosis

[warm gate]

Shayne and issac were talking abt them

[dense dust]

Are they gonna release a patch for the a new america ai soon

[somber monolith]

i did prison

[reef spade]

I personally find their reactions very funny, I especially like it when the tied up suspect you pass on the Greased Palms map can say to you "big shit cop, hahahaha" or "ooo shit man oo shit", and also "oh, piece of shit cop" something like that

[warm gate]

Oh you arrest him and defuse his vest you need to s rank it though

[somber monolith]

huh

it just says complete

[warm gate]

Yea the reactions are funny

[somber monolith]

"complete solo on hard mode"

[reef spade]

I haven't played the new DLC yet and I don't even know what to expect

[floral peak]

Man, flashlight is so good I never even thought

[warm gate]

Oh youre talking abt the achievement that im not sure

[somber monolith]

fah

@floral peak do i need to keep flowerface alive to get your achievement

im literally going for the bare minimum

[warm gate]

The lasers being ir and normal now is so good cause i can run the peq 15 normally

[floral peak]

If he dies, the dead man switch’s goes off, and mission fails

[reef spade]

I think they clearly put some effort into the voice acting of the suspects and their different phrases, because they are all so memorable

[somber monolith]

so thats not criteria for psychosis then

[brave jolt]

How would you rate the RTWC-6.5?

[floral peak]

The fact that suspects actually react to flashlight and might breaching is great

[warm gate]

Do flashlights blind them?

[floral peak]

Sadly no

But it’s still really good for checking

It can provoke suspects to go breaching

Or at least say something when they see it, discovering their position

[somber monolith]

and if i unauthorized deadly force everyone is that criteria for a fail

[floral peak]

I learned it from one guy who made guide for Programmed Psychosis

[floral peak]

My guy, I don’t know

[somber monolith]

fah

[floral peak]

I didn’t complete this either

[brave jolt]

Anything above a C is a pass i recall

[somber monolith]

my strat is to flash them make them surrender then execute them atm

[warm gate]

I do like the new stuff with the lasers though

[floral peak]

Shotgun their limbs and forget

[somber monolith]

so unauth deadly force for every suspect still hits C

[somber monolith]

i guess

[brave jolt]

I forgot how insane the gore was, i shotgunned off a dude arm

[somber monolith]

but im using the m32

m32 + 57

[crude prism]

It's pretty alright, nothing crazy, not really better than 7.62x51 in any way tho

[brave jolt]

The B1301 was pretty decent, one or two buckshots to the chest takes them down.

[floral peak]

Yeah, and it stuns if shot in chest

[somber monolith]

fair enough but im worried about missing 😭

WHO TF JUST SECURED EVIDENCE I KNOW I DIDNT

[brave jolt]

Tbh, i just used the flashlight + laser and canted the shotgun.

[warm gate]

I did see someone s rank it with m32 flash

[floral peak]

Right behind you.

[somber monolith]

😭

FAH

i just saw a barrel around the corner went to go execute and got whammied

other dude deeper in the hall

[heavy prairie]

What’s y’all’s favorite map

[lunar rapids]

Are FISA good guys or bad guys? They seem to be good in the new DLC but seem bad in main story. So which is it?

[lunar rapids]

Rustbelt

[reef spade]

@warm gate What's your favorite voice in the game? For me, it's Judge, McBain, and Gideon.

[heavy prairie]

Nice pick

[heavy prairie]

Fisa is probably good but just has some corruption in it in my opinion

[warm gate]

I use judge or swan usually

[lunar rapids]

Don't wanna spoil nothin but in the DLC and final mission (hide and seek) the operator voice is the same

Wouldn't that mean its the same guy?

[reef spade]

I'm currently using McBain's voice

[maiden sparrow]

A new america is so annoying imo, ive gone through so many officers trying to complete it

[somber monolith]

there is no good and bad in ready or not, there is perspective and there is actions

except voll and most of the criminals, they're bad

[heavy prairie]

Dw ur not spoiling anything for me idk about others but maybe I’m not sure maybe there is a video covering fisa

[lunar rapids]

Ill look around

[maiden sparrow]

I kinda wish we got some chill missions for a change honestly

[somber monolith]

its swat

[lunar rapids]

I guess the term im looking for is corrupt

[somber monolith]

you want chill go to patrol

[brave jolt]

As anybody have a civ get killed on the way to the exit?

[somber monolith]

every agency is, corrupt is broad, there are levels, one officer in the department or all of them

[upper trellis]

Rip knowing we prolly gotta wait half a year minimum for any news about more maps lol

[lunar rapids]

If we get any

[somber monolith]

i look forward to the new dlc no matter how long it may take

[upper trellis]

Devs already confirmed it isn’t an ending, saying “it’s just the beginning”

[lunar rapids]

Oh sweet

[somber monolith]

after the events of the last mission (both endings) im curious to see where it goes

[peak parrot]

How many civilians were killed in relapse?

[lunar rapids]

Surely theres a Canon ending

[upper trellis]

Same I’m interested in which one will be canon

[somber monolith]

im guessing the one my achievement is based off

[upper trellis]

Would be crazy if the prison ending is canon

[trail folio]

so theres 2 tattoos and 2 cosmetic items for completing all boiling point missions, but besides the handcuffs, what r they?

[somber monolith]

when you think about it it makes sense

[somber monolith]

to my knowledge its just the stuff you unlock when you buy the dlc

[upper trellis]

I’ve only seen the tattoo and the handcuff from getting the prison ending in new America, no idea about the other two

[lunar rapids]

I dont want judge to go to jail bro😭🙏

[maiden sparrow]

I mean missions like the gas station or the house with the sons. Constantly getting missions like a new America, valley of the dolls etc is is tyring especially when you loose squad after squad, or you die constantly.
I am by no means saying don't have challenging missions, but having a dlc with "easier" missions would be nice from time to time

[somber monolith]

well

[somber monolith]

no good deed is light work

[upper trellis]

Based on the ending it’s implied the man in green gloves frees / recruits judge

[boreal fossil]

why was region selection removed from hosting friends only games

[lunar rapids]

I cant get passed "A New America"

[somber monolith]

okay so this doesnt work for hard more

[maiden sparrow]

Would you be discussing potential spoilers?

[somber monolith]

but for regular equip your whole squad with m32s

[lunar rapids]

How is it spoilers if we dont know?

[brave jolt]

Oh my god, i didnt realize RoN had semi-realistic shotgun range..

[somber monolith]

and profit

[somber monolith]

as in it pitters out after a minute

[maiden sparrow]

You were talking about judge going to jail potentially, hence you may be discussing spoilers

[somber monolith]

yes some of whats being talked about is from an ending so cover your eyes

[upper trellis]

Love the new details and direction with way more items with interactions in the new maps, really hope they continue this

[maiden sparrow]

Then maybe get a spoilers channel made and go over there

[brave jolt]

Do mods effect achivments?

[lunar rapids]

Too bad we're not mods or owners. Besides. I haven't even finished the DLC

[maiden sparrow]

Cause the last mission is an absolute mess

[somber monolith]

or dont read it or finish it

[upper trellis]

If this game had more consistent updates it would be peak

[lunar rapids]

Near impossible bro. Like my bad for breathing

[somber monolith]

Lmao

im telling y'all if your just looking to beat it its not that bad just use flashes

[lunar rapids]

Until they totally ignore the flash and bum rush me full tilt

[somber monolith]

y'all know how to defuse it right

[somber monolith]

are you trying to solo

do it on campaign or multiplayer

[lunar rapids]

Im doing it campaign and my teammate AIs are like brain dead

[somber monolith]

lead them

[somber monolith]

alright

[balmy patio]

has there been any undocumented change to the flash nades?, like even if its not the MLO dudes on ANA the gas station dudes be tanking 3 flashes before they give up so even the non lethal meta is kinda iffy

[pearl raft]

and tip or build for to get valley of doll A+ ?

[somber monolith]

i see the value in the shotgun now.. but how much does each point mean in ammo

[haughty oriole]

If ready or not uses dlss5 the MK2 agents turn into giga chads

[somber monolith]

valley is so lightwork just avoid windows and use m32

[pearl raft]

OK

[somber monolith]

individual or campaign?

[pearl raft]

indiviual? i just host public server and do it

[somber monolith]

i reccomend campaign if your cooked

if not just mgl like i said

its like 12 dudes

if you make a flash only loadout you can get like 10 rounds plus like 2 points for a taser so you can close up stun individual targets

[pearl raft]

ok

A DUDE I SHOT CAME BACK FROM THE DED YO.

[somber monolith]

you get a badge for that

[pearl raft]

fr?

[somber monolith]

yes

arresting someone who you thought was dead only for them to be faking it

[pearl raft]

ah

i didnt get badge tho'

[somber monolith]

rip

i got it after blowing a door off its hinges into a suspect and then arresting them

[pearl raft]

which mission have custom intro?

[somber monolith]

wdym

[pearl raft]

like custom intro the one where we in da van but mission where we in other stuff

[sacred mantle]

All of the dark water missions, and I believe the carnival in boiling point if you choose the alternate enterance

[lunar rapids]

How am I meant to arrest flowerface?

[pearl raft]

OK

why is it so hard yo 😭

[somber monolith]

SINCE WHEN DO THEY HAVE FRAG TRAPS

FUCK

your fucked for that void

the gas was bad enough

[sacred mantle]

Have to find a signal jammer somewhere on the floor below him

Then you get 2-3 minutes to arrest him where he can’t detonate the bomb

[lunar rapids]

So can I clear rooms above then run and enable to to arrest him

[sacred mantle]

What I do is clear the first part of the final floor leaving the courthouse

The I go back down, turn on the signal jammer and do the rest

[lunar rapids]

What if he dies?

[zinc lantern]

You lose

[sacred mantle]

He surrenders pretty easily so it isn’t a problem

The issue is that there are like 6 MLOs in the room with him

[zinc lantern]

He surrenders faster than civilians do lol

[lunar rapids]

So basically flashbang

[sacred mantle]

I’d go stinger

[lunar rapids]

Okay

[somber monolith]

while running away from me... the guy carrying an 18 inch rifle can turn on a dime and headshot me while im behind cover

[lunar rapids]

Absolutely

[somber monolith]

fucking mlo..

[copper dome]

Just shoot first

[somber monolith]

i cleared where he came from turn around go to trigger a trap and then all of a sudden the fucker is there

turn back dude is running away from me and nails me at full tilt

[misty leaf]

I didn’t realize until 2 days in about the motion sensors I needed my NODS for LOL I’m so oblivious to my surroundings sometimes

[somber monolith]

i had no idea before flicking my nods down

[sharp socket]

F rank every mission

[somber monolith]

working depserately for psychosis

cant get past first floor

actually grim

[misty leaf]

It’s like fighting several John Wicks but I guess that is the MLOS whole MO I guess

[copper dome]

Full auto everyone. There’s an ammo box at the last floor

[somber monolith]

what do i use

im currently trying my luck with the b1310

its good but if i miss runs over

[misty leaf]

That’s not a bad pull tbh id pray to RNGesus before you start a run LOL

[somber monolith]

rngesus hates me

i just shot through a door hit the hostage when a suspect was right next to them

too much to the left

[misty leaf]

I feel your pain, I got to Floor 3 on hard mode and walked up the stairs right there. Yuuuuup that was over faster than I could say “Get on the ground.”

[somber monolith]

get on the ground isnt even a question for me

its "SHI-" 12 gauage to your face or arm

roe be damned

[misty leaf]

I will say, when I rage quit that mission saying nah to the ROE and doing close quarters missions with the Glock with a switch makes all the pain go away

[somber monolith]

damn near just amputated a civ

[copper dome]

Any rifle really. Long as you hit them with a few rounds before they hit you you’re fine

Don’t need to worry about ammo much since there’s a ammo box

[karmic ocean]

Is anybody on ps5?

[wraith pawn]

Do i have to be in singleplayer to get the secret ending to “a new america”

[somber monolith]

its hard mode

if they hit me im over

[surreal pelican]

Their reaction time is 50ms...

Even black sentinel arent that cracked on hard

[valid raven]

anyone else like to use the laser pointer when using a ballistic shield?

Because you can’t really ads

[surreal pelican]

1 slot for shotgun is 1 tube's worth I think

[somber monolith]

its actually hellish

[valid raven]

Probably because those ballistic shields are very heavy

30 kg on average

66 lb

[surreal pelican]

I've given up doing programmed psychosis until they fix the reaction time. I think the devs said it here somewhere that their reaction might be bugged

[valid raven]

Thats on the lower end

[somber monolith]

😭

[valid raven]

ballistic armor is typically 5 to 12 pounds so thats around 70 something

[surreal pelican]

I have 0 idea how the YouTubers do it

[valid raven]

that’s quite heavy

[surreal pelican]

I had the opportunity of carrying a training ballistic shield; it was around 10kg I think

[valid raven]

The glass window is thick plexiglass, right

[surreal pelican]

Yup

[valid raven]

It cracks but doesn’t shatter

[surreal pelican]

The actual ballistic one is ~30-35kg

I was at a recruitment and sponsorship fair

[valid raven]

Its thick steal o believe

[valid raven]

The only convention I’ve ever been to is like a hunting one was a lot of guns

moving to #💬general-discussion

[oblique pollen]

has anybody done my eyes it burns?

[surreal pelican]

None that I know of; apparently bugged

[somber monolith]

that and its way too heavy rng based

[surreal pelican]

Just go arcade interior and hope for best

[copper dome]

Can’t you just bring the suspects to a gas trap when they’ve been tied up trigger the trap an gun them down?

[surreal pelican]

Programmed Psychosis is just.. no. I wouldn't be surprised if people used SAM for it

[surreal pelican]

They immune to gas

[somber monolith]

no he means for us

[surreal pelican]

Plus they said while in active state so I think nop

[copper dome]

Isn’t the achievement to incapacitate 5 while being affected by gas

[surreal pelican]

Oh yea; but they said need to be in active state

[copper dome]

Ah

That’s dumb icl

[somber monolith]

i might have found my way into psychosis

ga5 + bangs

[surreal pelican]

When I reattempt it; b1301

But I doubt I'll spend my entire break doing this. Nah

[somber monolith]

i want it so bad

[surreal pelican]

Same. And I thought Sleeper agent was bad enough

[somber monolith]

fiending to go crazy'

[somber monolith]

how do you even do sleeper i heard something about a stun lock

but i have no clue how to achieve it

[bronze bough]

Any first mods you recommend for a new player

[surreal pelican]

Do the arrest bug;

Basically go arrest them but then move backwards during the anim to stunlock them

I did it with AI

But once u stunlock them they can't move anywhere so u can't order them to move places so yea

[somber monolith]

so how the fuck do you get them all in one area

[surreal pelican]

Main entrance; I split my AI into two groups. Each group will arrest a certain amount within their area

Then I'll go arrest the stragglers too. Trial and error but not as bullshit and idiotic as Programmed Psychosis

[oblique pollen]

Does the arrest bug work on civies?

[surreal pelican]

Yes

[somber monolith]

how do you prevent them auto arresting then

[oblique pollen]

How do I know that the bug worked? Attempting it

[somber monolith]

is excessive use of deadly force criteria for a fail for psychosis

[surreal pelican]

Hold command

[surreal pelican]

Try asking them to move; they shouldn't be able to

[oblique pollen]

when should I start canceling the arrest?

[somber monolith]

atp i rather do hermit on hard than do psychosis

[surreal pelican]

As soon as arrest anim starts

Just move backwards while in arrest anim

[surreal pelican]

Never have I ever thought I'd not 100% ron; Psychosis is the one

[somber monolith]

yea i gotta call it til the ai get a bit nerfed

fuck

[oblique pollen]

the last 4 for me is sleeper agent, all s rank boiling point, my eyes burn, and psychosis

that shit is gonna give me psychosis

[tepid ridge]

How am I meant to beat a new america? I get the spoof signal and still fail when I kill the triggerman, am I missing something?

[somber monolith]

not even soloing the heat is on was this bad

[somber monolith]

i got 8 but just because i havent done campaign

[somber monolith]

stay in room where you find the thing wait for dude to stop talking and press f on tablet

[oblique pollen]

I have half of A New America memorised, but so much risk

[oblique pollen]

Defuse the trigger man's vest

[somber monolith]

i know every corner and have a route to get through the whole thing

but on psychosis i cant get past the first fucking floor

[oblique pollen]

Oh the map itself I got memorized, I just don't have enemy positions memorized

[tepid ridge]

I do that then what?

[somber monolith]

well i mean they're random to a point

[tepid ridge]

How do I do that?

[somber monolith]

i think you have to take him alive if your trying to do an s

[oblique pollen]

once he's arrested, you go to his front

[somber monolith]

and dont press the trigger

[tepid ridge]

How do I arrest him? Just like a civ? Do I tase him what do I do?

[somber monolith]

yea flash him or use nl on him

[oblique pollen]

He's considered an unarmed suspect

[tepid ridge]

What's NL

[oblique pollen]

nonlethal

[somber monolith]

^

[tepid ridge]

Will a taser work, I got like 50 of em

[somber monolith]

yes

[wet belfry]

for the heat is on do we need to rescue all civilians

[somber monolith]

keep them all alive yes

[wet belfry]

how the hell do we do this achievement

we keep dying so fast

[somber monolith]

patience and marksmanship

go around th eside window pick most of them off from there

then when you get inside pray

[wraith pawn]

Do i need to be in singleplayer to unlock the cuffs/new watch??

My boys and i have detonated the bomb ourselves multiple times and still nothing

[tepid ridge]

So I arrested him, and blew up the bomb myself😐

Why is that something you can do?

[somber monolith]

LMAO

[somber monolith]

yes

[cloud gull]

guys any one found a way to do ''my eyes, it burns!'' achievment or is totaly bugged?

[somber monolith]

pray to rngesus (it will never happen)

[wraith pawn]

Ffs hours of trying and now i find this out

Same with the s tier one?

[somber monolith]

its because its tied to the story

[wraith pawn]

Ah type shit

[somber monolith]

for s tiering it you can do it in multiplayer

[wraith pawn]

And i get the watch and whatnot?

[somber monolith]

yes

[wraith pawn]

Oh dope ill do that tmrw

[somber monolith]

wait what watch the cuffs?

[wraith pawn]

Either or

[somber monolith]

i just know about the cuffs

[wraith pawn]

The cuffs are only from story from what i presume

[somber monolith]

for the cuffs you have to be campaign mode

[wraith pawn]

The other watch u get for s tiering

[somber monolith]

i dont have that and i've s tiered it in multiplayer so idk

only watch i dont have is developers ruined watch

[tardy elk]

speaking of new America has anyone here gotten programmed psychosis yet?

[somber monolith]

yea people have but its god awfuk

[cloud gull]

i do like 10 times i kill 3 guy entering e shoot them uncapacitated them and arrested no one way work litteraly no one work and i take them in less then 5 sec so wtf

[wraith pawn]

Oh ive had that for ages now

[tardy elk]

I’ve seen people on the Reddit how grieving it is

[wraith pawn]

Cuffs and s tier watch are the only ones i need

[floral peak]

Yo wsg targeter

[wraith pawn]

I hear it’s such a pain in the ass

[somber monolith]

gave up on trying to get psychosis for now

[wraith pawn]

Sucks cause i had almost 100% completion (2 achievements were glitched) now i am a long way from it

[somber monolith]

how do you even get them in the same room

i havent had it

[somber monolith]

i dont know of any s tier watch for it

[floral peak]

Try more, you got it

Maybe try using flashlight manipulations

[wraith pawn]

Flair Nite watch brother

U get it for the good ending on “a new america”

[somber monolith]

i did i still cant get past the first floor i need insight

[somber monolith]

interesting lemme go do that

[floral peak]

Take everything extremely slow

[somber monolith]

i move like a turtle the issue is they move like cracked up cag operators

[floral peak]

Maybe try B1301

[wraith pawn]

Goodluck homie🫡🫡

[somber monolith]

i did and it worked but not well enough

[floral peak]

And don’t forget about free lean, lean everywhere, and try walking slow or crouch walk, they hear pretty good, and also don’t forget motion detectors

I remember seeing a guide for this hol up

[somber monolith]

yea i've got nods on and its not like im losing a peak its just they storm me outta fuckin nowhere or i miss

[floral peak]

https://youtu.be/UFJX0zj1HDE?si=WablSxDrHuVfUzr3
in description of video he gives some nice tips

[cloud gull]

first mission on hard when the civilian get out of the room you have a 70% chanche to get 3 in the room i use the first spwan

[somber monolith]

good to know will watch

[somber monolith]

well then i've gotten 30% a lot lmao

[cloud gull]

unluky but don't worry or it's bugd or i miss somethin

[copper silo]

i just found out debanco isnt a bank but a security company

[surreal pelican]

Same here

[surreal pelican]

Totally bugged

[somber vigil]

It’s like finding out Santa isn’t real all over again

[chilly thorn]

no

[somber monolith]

easy to s impossible to psychosis

that was like walking down a road in comparison to fighting in peak gwot

[somber monolith]

just did it no such thing

did get a new tattoo though

[wraith pawn]

Did you grab the watch in judge’s apartment?

Google is your friend lol it’s most definitely a thing

[somber monolith]

FAAAAAAAAAAAH

[wraith pawn]

😭😭😭

[somber monolith]

i just finished the fucking cutscene

whatever we run it back

[wraith pawn]

RIP😭

Hell yeah not the hardest to s tier i’d imagine, psychosis on the other hand…

[tepid ridge]

FINALLY DID A NEW AMERICA AND IT WAS CANCER OMG

[somber monolith]

i did get a new tattoo though

[somber monolith]

base new america not even that bad

[tepid ridge]

fym base

[somber monolith]

non hard mode

now go try psychosis

[tepid ridge]

i would wrather bite my own toenails off millimetre by millimetre then gnaw at said toes till all the skin is gone and proceed to walk across 100 miles on pyramid legos covered in salt than do that on any harder of a difficulty

[tardy elk]

I’ve heard someone say standard new America is harder than hard new America

And to that I say absolutely bull

[tepid ridge]

henseforth my previous statement

[tardy elk]

Like bro what even am I fighting against.

[runic prism]

Guys so the SWAT AI is playable now or is it still a burden?

[tardy elk]

And I thought sleeper agent was the hardest achievement and I got that out of PURE luck

[tepid ridge]

the first thing i said once i started the mission and heard the objective was "when in tf did we move to gotham?"

[tardy elk]

it’s so bad bro,

[tepid ridge]

its annoying but the addon is really fun

[tardy elk]

Like idk how greased Palms S tier was easier

[coral tapir]

Speaking of Gotham weeks ago I saw someone making a statement saying LS is more dangerous than Gotham or some.

[tepid ridge]

Fr😭

[tardy elk]

I mean to be fair have we seen sins of the father

Literally Gotham there

[bronze bough]

The auction room was probably the scariest thing in RON

[tardy elk]

For me it’s first play through of twisted nerve with some addict swinging his damn knife at me

[bronze bough]

I closed the container

[coral tapir]

Knife suspects > Arab suspects

[somber monolith]

and we're back to the cutscene

[bronze bough]

Finished all main levels

[somber monolith]

got the watch

@wraith pawn

entirely missed it also judge lives like shit next to the most obvious brothel i've ever seen

[opaque zealot]

I bought the mission pass I tried the home invasion I really love the house's mission that was fire

[somber monolith]

scariest thing for me i think was the night club

seeing all those dead people and knowing that shits happened in real life

[bronze bough]

Any good heavy weapons mods

[open bison]

Does anybody have a good loadout for a new america s rank? I also use the bots so a loadout for them would be cool too🙏🏻i‘m trynna get the cutscene

Im also on ps so no mods in my arsenal

[open bison]

Congrats man nice job

[tardy elk]

The flash nade launcher on you and all of your bots

riot shield as well

[open bison]

Don‘t have it sadly

[open bison]

Thought of that aswell but they burn through their ammo and it becomes practically useless

[tardy elk]

Pepper ball rifle

[open bison]

Maybe skill issue

[open bison]

Trying it today

[tardy elk]

And a shit ton of C2 and nine bangs

[open bison]

Why not any gas?

Thanks though gonna try it tonight

[somber monolith]

everyone does

[somber monolith]

this is interesting

[open bison]

No only deluxe edition players sadly

[somber monolith]

i dont have deluxe

[open bison]

Thank you gonna check it out

[open bison]

Weird i don‘t have it but i‘m on ps maybe thats the reason?

[mental ivy]

does the riot shield actually stop bullets from ppl shooting u in the back

[somber monolith]

can you check launchers on your primary

[open bison]

Yeah

[floral peak]

Indeed

[open bison]

I gotta check tn

[twilit robin]

playing the new DLC, is the new AI crazy OP or i am i just bad

[floral peak]

On A New America, yes

[bitter mason]

AI continues to be superhuman a bit yeah
Swat ai still sucks which doesn't help

[twilit robin]

i'd say the AI is probs at its most super human levels

truly comical side strafe speeds while shooting

[random tangle]

This is what I mean when I say the ai feels more like a .62 kd warzone player than a swat suspect

[open bison]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[random tangle]

Might aswell have them slide cancelling around corners at this rate

Oh yeah, and someone needs to make a mod of Tony Montanas house.

[azure river]

Hard mode is unplayable. Bots using all sorts of hacks, and the armor (even steel) became totally useless. Like, even knowing that enemy is spraying you in 1 point, you still die from 2-3 bullets.

[eternal drum]

oh weird. c2 is undetonatable if its on a broken door.

[elfin briar]

Hai

[green osprey]

i really hate greased palms getting shot through pixel gaps between objects constantly

[stone bay]

Anybody else hear the weird noises in the evidence locker?

[twilit robin]

the movement speed is crazy now, only viable tactic is twitch shooting back

[elfin briar]

Hai

[eternal drum]

damn. two hais in ten minutes

[eternal drum]

yeah the deepest end is the roughest one. you using SWAT AI?

[green osprey]

playing coop with a friend duo basically and for S rank non lethal

[eternal drum]

ah i hear ya. yeah i mean typically they like to move around when they're shooting, so you might be able to clear them out of those hazardous areas

[elfin briar]

can i hjave help with something

[elfin briar]

sory

[twilit robin]

wow they excute a hostage near instantly now

[eternal drum]

what map? chicos i managed to see one get executed within two minutes

[twilit robin]

I mean the dynamic AI taking hostage durring combat

[eternal drum]

yeah if its an active shooter setup they do that

[twilit robin]

they will grab them and near immediately kill them now

[elfin briar]

oh how do u play active shooter

[twilit robin]

the AI is back it being suicidal again

[eternal drum]

blind them if you can get to them quick enough but its just speedrunning levels bc of how fast they are

[elfin briar]

can iask smth abt maps

[twilit robin]

flashbangs seem to have been heavily nerfed

[eternal drum]

i dont think they've changed flashbangs, the new ones have a smaller radius

[eternal drum]

whats the question

[elfin briar]

im missing some of my maps

[eternal drum]

was it a mod map?

[elfin briar]

i put it in #💻tech-support

[elfin briar]

no :< it was elephant, the hospital and other stuf

and im in quickplae

[pearl raft]

If ready or not are your guy power what are you without it

[halcyon elm]

Why is terrorist on carnival wear police uniform

[pearl raft]

If soap are your power what are you without it?

[eternal drum]

soap is all power in newblood games. might as well deploy soap on MLO. i bet MLO are stinky

meowxine commending about the s2011p's draw animation and meanwhile its the thing that kills me bc i dont check it right at the beginning of the mission

also aw, i was hoping the Station would change depending on what DLC was unlocked. I hope the previous DLC release-themed Station setups have been removed - it would be nice having it progressive like how it (almost) is in Commander Mode

[craggy hawk]

Im studying this type of stuff rn and it used to be a common practice among organized crime groups usually to get people to let their guard down and usually they aren't wearing their mask at first. That type of practice goes back into the 30s and 40s with the mafia in some cases.

[vernal gate]

I was today year old when I found out suspects don't activate their own bomb wires when running through them

[surreal pelican]

Mine was relapse. Something about it's atmosphere

[eternal drum]

Scariest thing? club neon was a pretty good first impression. If you can manage to turn the music off, the OST track kicks in which is a pretty great backdrop to the atmosphere. Something about the woodwind and distorted electronic samples giving idling tension

[coral tapir]

Then we are... Not.

✍️ 🔥

[surreal pelican]

Base game maps (including Los Suenos Stories):

Elephant and Hunger Strike (has countdown timer before they start moving about hunting civilians)

DLC 3 Boiling Point:
No Good Deed (also has countdown timer)

[sudden aspen]

Hey all, quick question, anyone else still has the issue with giving different hold options to the teams and when pressing execute they try to execute the order of the other team?
I read on patch notes it should have been fixed but definitely still happening often to me

[coral tapir]

Does Hard difficulty offer you less countdown time before a civvie starts to get killed comparison to Standard or is there no difference?

[rocky plover]

yes

[marsh lark]

As well as the timer for bombs

[compact oriole]

Don’t forget “mirage at sea” dlc 2: dark waters

[queen dew]

we can all agree that Void should add a command along the lines of "search for survivors/evidence" once "Bring Order To Chaos" is completed, this command would entail the AI swat to break off of formation and begin searching the map for surviving civilian and or evidence.

[marsh lark]

There were actual units for that when you brought order to chaos.

But they're only in quickplay

Or, they should be at least

[queen dew]

ah i see, it'd still be nice to see in single player aka story mode

[thick thorn]

Yo anyone know when the next patch will come out? Or an eta?

[surreal pelican]

Lesser countdown

[queen dew]

i understand updates take a long time considering Void is by no means a super massive company in terms of staff, devs etc which is why i'd like to see it either in a small patch work or the next massive update, but with that being said it does definitely make the game far less stressful and far easier which may be a blessing or a curse depending on how the devs would go about adding it.

[drowsy mason]

does anyone know for The Heat is On achievement if you also need to take the helmet off? Or just vest?

[rocky plover]

helmet is fine

[thick thorn]

i did it without both to be safe but i think u can have helmet

[drowsy mason]

bet thanks yall

[maiden sparrow]

Even my PC is getting sick of the mission XDXD (game crashed mid mission)

[molten wasp]

What mission Is It?

[maiden sparrow]

A New America
I've honestly crashed a few times in this update, I was playing the other night in MP and it would crash when ever I went to change my outfit

[molten wasp]

Oof, right now I'm struggling on relapse, trying to get every S rank on hard difficulty In the main story

[maiden sparrow]

Ahhhhh yeah, I'm just trying to get through the new DLC missions on mine

[molten wasp]

I thought I was gonna struggle on Greased palm but apparently not, neon tomb and carrier of the vine were hard, same for buy cheap buy twice

It's relapse that I'm having a hard time with

[maiden sparrow]

Carriers of the vine was a hard one for me, I couldn't get past it. But when I finally did I S ranked it

[slim mortar]

i have a problem i was doing preset configurations tank frontier riot control etc i saved like 10 of them and i cant see none when im trying to make another one game asks me if i want to overvwrite exisitng conuifguration and when i equip the same main weapon in current eq corresponding configuration apears in menu is it a bug or am i stupid

[molten wasp]

Probably gonna ask for help on relapse, because I'm struggling really bad

Can't imagine hide and seek Is gonna be difficult

[civic fiber]

Hide and Seek is hard

[maiden sparrow]

It will be XDXD

Big space, lots of enemies and a 5 man team

I honestly think that in MP you should be allowed to have larger teams, cause in real life many of those missions would be done with a minimum of 10 people and on bigger ones like Hide and Seak you would have 20-30 officers

[molten wasp]

Literally torture for me because I'm doing on hard difficulty

Right now relapse Is blocking my way

[maiden sparrow]

That's the one in the hospital right?

[molten wasp]

Yeah

[maiden sparrow]

Yup...don't like it either

[molten wasp]

It's not difficult unless you have RnG on your side and have negotiators

[molten wasp]

Obviously talking about the start of the level

[civic fiber]

i did it with shotguns but maybe i was just lucky

i was on standard too

[molten wasp]

Bean bag or just a shotgun

[floral peak]

whoever told me there was ammo refill at 21 floor either never tried himself or just lied to me

[maiden sparrow]

In A New America?

[floral peak]

yeah

he said it supposed to be near jammer

[maiden sparrow]

There should be a yellow ammo box somewhere on the map

[floral peak]

Well, there is an ammo box, BUT you cant use it

[maiden sparrow]

Huh

[floral peak]

if i reach floor 21 again ill make ss and show

[civic fiber]

regular shotgun i had my AI use M1014’s with Buckshot and chose the Supernova with either Slug or Buckshot

[molten wasp]

Saying if you're lucky, you'll be dealing with guys carrying G19, Uzi, If not, you're dealing with FAL, AKM, RPD

[molten wasp]

Nice

Any recommendations for officer traits on relapse

[jolly verge]

2 negotiators 1 armorer 1 nutritionist

[molten wasp]

Should I pick ceramic or steel

[jolly verge]

Steel

[buoyant pecan]

Are some of the captions autogenerated? Eli said “need you to slide over” and the subtitle said “you get to slide over”

[jolly verge]

All of them

[molten wasp]

And what about loadout and tactical gear

[jolly verge]

.300blk or 7.62x39 with JHP ammo

[molten wasp]

What about non lethal

[jolly verge]

M32A1 then

If you mean grenades then flashbangs or 9-bangs

[rocky plover]

it's on 22nd not 21st, right on top of the spiral staircase

[wide verge]

do cs grenades work properly now? haven't tested yet

[rocky plover]

ye they're better now, not as op as they were but much better at least

[wide verge]

good to hear. the area of effect was way too small

[rocky plover]

ye its 7m now (old was 8m) and when nerfed it was 3m/4.5m

[floral peak]

I really love flashlight now

[rocky plover]

i like baiting suspects with it sometimes xD

[floral peak]

i always check with flashlight now

and i also swapped armor

to light, for additional slots

[rocky plover]

flashlight + shouting = revealing enemy positions xD

yea i've always used light, never liked heavy tbh

it's the exact same thing anyways with the exception of side plates

[floral peak]

got used to heavy since first S ranks

[rocky plover]

and i almost always used just a front plate, so heavy didn't make sense for me

i started with light ceramic before the steel buff, now i switched to light steel

[vernal gate]

1v50

[wide verge]

yup I do that too

which mission should I play

[sly cosmos]

in what way did steel receive buff?

[jolly verge]

Since they can't fix damage cap bug they just crunk up steel damage reduction from 70% to 86.5%

[sly cosmos]

Wow that’s helpful. I’m trying to do an Iron Man run.

[jolly verge]

And reduced acceleration penalty as well

[spring hearth]

Yes bro I’m on it

[tacit gull]

Just in case you felt a difference

[lilac crow]

i lowkey dislike how incapacitated suspects count the same as if they you killed them

[surreal pelican]

Heavy for ai;

Light for you

[somber wolf]

Just an excuse to go all or nothing

[surreal pelican]

I'm starting to consider using frontal plate only;

But for psychosis front and back ceramic

My first few runs a few days back; I tested both ceramic and steel. Seemed to survive more with ceramic

[surreal pelican]

U can floor 22; right side staircase. Not the one beside jammer

[floral peak]

That damn staircase is bane of my existance

[surreal pelican]

Same; I was able to counter or cheese it during my standard S run with flash launcher by firing at ceiling

But it depends on rng; sometimes the enemies like to camp all the way back and they won't get flashed

My plan if I ever reach staircase during psychosis:

Try and flashlight bait them out

[floral peak]

well, that aint working right now for Programmed Psychosis

[surreal pelican]

Then we're fucked

Does the flashlight bait even work for staircase? Or nah

[plush lodge]

completed the new DLC missions on S difficulty, but I didn't get the trophy. Is this a bug?

[boreal stratus]

third mission of the boiling point DLC is crazy

i keep getting headshot through walls and instantly dying

[vestal mauve]

The City Hall Situation Is Insane

[boreal stratus]

devs honestly cooked with this dlc

the new guns are dope too, all of em. i was stoked to see a 6.5crm

[balmy patio]

can the gas traps kill you or they only disorient you?

[warm gate]

Does anyone have a weird feeling that the man with green gloves is the therapist?

[boreal stratus]

unsure, as well as what the lung damage icon actually translates to. is it increased sway for the rest of the match?

[floral peak]

Its toxic so yeah it kills if without gas mask

[little smelt]

E

[opaque meadow]

Hi, I noticed one glaring issue after this update.
When you zoom in with a collmiator, your overall FOV zooms in slightly.
But the pip colimator remains at 1:1 ratio with FOV, so the overall impression is wrong.
You end up seeing things smaller then they actually are.
Pretty sure its an oversight on the devs part. Maybe someone can tell them?

[neon dawn]

I wish somewhere in the future we will see as dlc or separate game RON but about russian spetznaz. They have tons of interesting weapons and gadgets that would fit ron

[sweet fractal]

DLC where we play in russia? would be awesome

[grim compass]

there are billions of other issues btw

[terse sandal]

to be fair would save the inconvenience of getting points deducted when civvies get killed

[teal hornet]

Best map for having fun with gas?

[blissful oyster]

Stolen Valor, its the second mission in the "Los Suenos Stories" DLC

[sly nest]

So it's on the 22nd

[stoic thistle]

It's just decorative.

[proud mountain]

Hello guys, any suggestions of why I cannot join my friends lobby on multiplayer? He can't join mine also, we have no mods installed.

[sly nest]

Most of them, But you can actually refill on one of them

[stoic thistle]

Thank you sir.

[vocal wing]

@warm gate the therapist is a USIA plant. Never trusted that sweaty man

[distant beacon]

anyway to make it stop swapping back to my first gadget/pistol when i want the tazer readily available?

[warm gate]

Thats what i meant i have a weird feeling that is the therapist talking to you in that cutscene

[vocal wing]

@opaque meadow I'm pretty sure they are aware and have it in the known bugs list

@warm gate someone's got to keep the sleeper agent from carrying around a copy of the catcher in the rye

Doesn't the therapist have David's USIA psyche report on his desk in the listening room now?

[warm gate]

Im pretty sure

I know the mlo has stuff too iirc

[neon dawn]

Yeah like with separate police department and so on. I would love to destroy suspects with ash-12 and gas them with ks-23

[sweet fractal]

id love the as val if it was used

[vocal wing]

We out here slopping on rioters with BZ gas sending them to the shadow realm

[warm gate]

Next dlc is gonna have the mlo and riots to play in i bet

[neon dawn]

Pkp pecheneg bullpup💀

[sweet fractal]

lol jesus christ

[neon dawn]

They actually use pecheneg in some operations. Would be fun imo

[sweet fractal]

real

i wish we had melees like a baton, or a sledgehammer

for incapping suspects with knifes and such

[wet chasm]

i REALLY hope we get infantry rigs next update

[wet chasm]

sledgehammer for incap.. yeah..

[sweet fractal]

no like for breaking doors

[neon dawn]

Imagine using buttstock

[vocal wing]

Can you hit them with the battering ram? I've never tried

[wet chasm]

we already have a battering ram for breaking doors

[wet chasm]

no

[vocal wing]

TOC telling me about the rules of engagement while I cave some cuffed tweakers head in with a battering ram

S rank battering ram solo run on a new America would be funny though

[warm gate]

Haligan tools would be badass

[wet chasm]

I actually tried this once, I put on heavy armor and steel plates and just tried to juggernaut my way through till I figured out battering ram doesnt work on npcs

[dim oak]

do i try to do the hospital mission with only the grizzly

[sly nest]

I like how barely anyone even finished A New America with a C+
And then there are the few of us who do it a few times... But i ain't S ranking oh hell no

[warm gate]

Oh i s ranked it on casual after unlocking the cuff fuck the mlo

[sly nest]

And solo on hard is... possible, but i am not getting shot through walls again

[sly nest]

Tatoo is way better. Cuffs are funny though

[warm gate]

I wanted both so i went for both

I like having more customisation stuff thats mainly why

[dim oak]

oh boy Relapse

[warm gate]

Flash launcher is really good for anything

[sly nest]

Yep, Flash and all AI with beanbags
Still hurts when they die to a random enemy getting up and blasting them while they refuse to shoot.

[teal hornet]

How to get green laser?

[sly nest]

New Mault i believe.

[pine token]

true, all of the new tats are probably the best ones in the game but the devil is prolly the nicest

[winged elbow]

The Mault laser

[vocal wing]

I S ranked a new America on casual with a full squad of heavy armor flash launchers. Was actually pretty easy that way. I needed to see where judge does his true detective stuff and hear him eat

I wonder if future DLCs are going to go full schizophrenic now. I could see judge doing some operation high jump shit. Getting in gunfights in the hollow earth with a breakaway civilization

[pine token]

did it give you the ending and the tattoo

[vocal wing]

Yeah I got the watch and duality tattoo

[pine token]

awesome I'm gonna cheese it then

[vocal wing]

I cheesed the hell out of it

[pine token]

realistically I'll probably s rank it on hard some day but i just wanna see the bedroom

[vocal wing]

Full squad of flash launchers is like a spell caster build

[zinc lantern]

I cast blinding light

[vocal wing]

If you do it on commander mode some of the squad perks make them give up even harder against flash launchers

[worldly ridge]

pre-emptively rack the 2011 slide in case I need it ASAP
character still engages the safety when putting it away and disengages the safety when I need it ASAP

[dim oak]

last suspect on relapse killed me bruuuuuh

[elder void]

Can we please get an update on the implementation of AI teammates in COOP mode?

[ionic gale]

What difference would it make? Why not just play single player?

you know quick play exists, right?

[terse sandal]

still getting squad wiped via 1 guy looking away from us in the big 26 💔

[elder void]

In case I still I don't have enough friends to play with and we want extra teammates?

[ionic gale]

Ah

[wintry summit]

What's the bomb timer on relapse standard difficulty? Is it 30 minutes?

[latent crescent]

i would like that but the ai suck ass

[solemn frost]

has anyone S ranked A New America? i have tried for hours, keep dying on the top floor

[fickle badge]

ai is fcked with the new update

[zinc lantern]

Yeah

[solemn frost]

please impart your wisdom

oh i mean in commander mode

[toxic swallow]

so what's the actual difference between standard and hard because i die the same on new america regardless

one shot typically

[ionic gale]

More suspects prob… they are even more broken…

[toxic swallow]

jeez

[ionic gale]

I never willingly play hard so idk exactly

[toxic swallow]

im wearing the heaviest armor on both difficulties but it feels the exact same

[ionic gale]

The MLO is just that goated

[toxic swallow]

headshot probably

also idk how with 3 real players, you'd have enough ammo to s rank, all players bringing flash launcher

[slim moss]

The LOD swap is more egregious then ever. Has Void mentioned anything about a hot fix anytime soon?

[toxic swallow]

the enemies often take multiple to surrender

[somber wolf]

Use 7.62x51 and KOS

[toxic swallow]

S rank, cant kill

[undone bane]

Hopefully they fix the AI soon, not being able to use grenades/suspects having too harsh reaction times is gettin old fast

[somber wolf]

My condolences

[toxic swallow]

i usually play swat-likes very slow but i feel like for new america, no matter how slow i take it, i still die in some bs way

[undone bane]

They just needa tone down to suspects reaction time. 2 frames is absolute BS

[toxic swallow]

lol

someone said that them knowing where you always are is the point

[undone bane]

Thats fine, that doesnt get make killed more so then them having 50 ms reaction times

[somber wolf]

Camera at the beginning of the mission can be accessed through the helmet

[undone bane]

I feel like theres ways to make the AI harder without making them literal terminators

[toxic swallow]

i just also think hard should be what standard currently feels like

i was going up to the second floor and some guy way down the hall runs across and one-shots me before i could even react

like holy realism

that's insane

[somber wolf]

I am so glad I have never tried hard

[undone bane]

Nah half the time they're literally cheating lol

They'll track you through walls and the moment he sees 2 frames of you he's just blasting you

[somber wolf]

You ever kill one guy in a corner, only to discover there’s another further in the corner, that only pops out after you kill the first guy and start healing, so you retreat and there’s another guy behind you?

[toxic swallow]

oh yea that's the other thing, they can spray me down through walls but i cant

[latent crescent]

maybe make them push us like ANA

[undone bane]

Despite using 6.5 creedmore

[undone bane]

^

[latent crescent]

instead of getting aimbotted across the map, but ig thats where most of the fun is

[undone bane]

Theres different ways to make the AI harder than just making the bots absolutely cracked.

The squad behaviors is a step in the right direction

[somber wolf]

AI should have some utility items, be it hand grenades or automatic weapons

[toxic swallow]

yea honestly just feels way overtuned

[ionic gale]

Home invasion’s kinda introduced this a while back

[undone bane]

Yeah, but that feature doesnt really show unless you play hard mode

I like hard mode for the AI changes it makes, like squad behaviors, and them actually making callouts and reacting to them.
But holy, 50 ms reaction time? PLUS 50% boosted fire rate on assault rifles?

Pray to whatever god you believe in

[zinc lantern]

I did it in quickplay. Just kept the team behind me and used them as flashbang pack mules

[toxic swallow]

it's also weird that the tactic for the map is to clear all floors but dont start jammer obj unlock, go back to 2nd, then back up to clear the final room

[inner jewel]

Are they not also a lot more aware than normal? I swear they can notice you even if you do everything perfectly

[undone bane]

In standard its more forgiving, they can hear you and still rush you or make callouts

In hard mode if you make any noise at all the entire map is alerted and is already heading towards you, if the suspect is on the next room expect them to headshot you through the wall/door

[toxic swallow]

is this 2 frame enemy reaction thing you keep mentioning actual behavior? like you have the frame data?

[undone bane]

Theres a whole spreadsheet a guy data mined a while back that goes over literally everything, and yes their reaction time is literally 50ms-100ms

2 frames my guy

[solemn frost]

Damn, with what primary?

[toxic swallow]

super interesting

[undone bane]

It goes over the changes in hard mode as well, like how suspects get increased fire rate on all weapons

[toxic swallow]

where can i see this excel sheet

[solemn frost]

My teammates don’t die too often it’s usually me on the 4th floor

[undone bane]

I can link ya the video i saw it in, just watched it give me a second

[toxic swallow]

np

[undone bane]

https://youtu.be/BVuKZKv2eWY?si=FYoNkKaV61ZshJF2 this is the video i seen with that whole spreadsheet going over basically everything in the game data wise

[rough needle]

i send my squad in as human shields on a new america its so meta

[zinc lantern]

I gave the team rotary flash launchers, and I used the beanbag shotgun for the sake of ammo

[mortal geode]

what is the best weapon playing multiplayer for fun?

[undone bane]

Whichever you find fun

[toxic swallow]

nice, thanks

[undone bane]

The dude goes over the changes in hard mode, and just how absolutely dogshit cracked the AI is

[toxic swallow]

yea that's nuts, the absolute limit for human reaction is like 100-150ms and that's assuming you're anticipating visual stimulus

50ms! WEW

[undone bane]

And thats IF you're a competitive player whos trained their reactions bruh

[toxic swallow]

yea

[undone bane]

The normal players isnt gonna be able to react to that

[somber wolf]

Why not prefire?

[undone bane]

Not a chance in hell my guy

Bc half the walls you cant shoot through, while the AI can

[somber wolf]

Are you using 7.62x51 AP?

[toxic swallow]

because you cant really shoot through walls, you'd be wasting ammo for the amount of suspects, and you'd also alert everyone

[undone bane]

Im using fucking 6.5 creed lol, that thing should absolutely punch through that wall

[molten prairie]

They could’ve just done the increased traps, damage, enemy aggression, and improved AI.

[somber wolf]

Eh, doesn’t have enough kick for me

[undone bane]

Yes, literally lol
Not just turn the reaction times up

[molten prairie]

The reaction time shouldn’t have been touched since it’s already borderline too fast on Standard. On hard it’s unbearable.

[undone bane]

Its lazy
Absolutely lazy development

[molten prairie]

Wouldn’t even call it lazy.

They did all the other things I mentioned. All they had to do was not touch the reaction time.

It would’ve been less work to not touch it. 😭

[undone bane]

Yes dude

Now they're having to fix something they fucked up bc they felt the need to make the AI terminators

[molten prairie]

I don’t even mind the accuracy even if it’s terminator like, since good accuracy can be counteracted with good tactics.

You can’t beat superhuman reaction time with good tactics however.

[bronze bough]

I mean you could bounce a flashbang off a door or something

[undone bane]

Was finna say yeah, increased accuracy is a good change, 50ms-100ms reaction time is not a fun challenge

[molten prairie]

Not always an option depending on the map.

Some maps have really long sightlines.

[undone bane]

Not only that, suspect stun time is decreased dramatically on hard mode

[distant beacon]

what is the benefit of the flashbang over the 9 banger is the 9 banger just better?

[undone bane]

Yeah pretty much

[molten prairie]

Tbh the AI’s visual capabilities need a tweak as well. They shouldn’t be able to see you from a mile away through a bunch of rubbish.

[molten prairie]

9 bang has a longer duration but reduced range.

Better for very tight CQB.

[distant beacon]

Ah I see I thought it might be something like that thanks

[undone bane]

I want to like hard mode, since standard is abit boring with how low the suspect count can be

[bronze bough]

Do tripwire bombs not show up on the camera gun

[undone bane]

They should

[lethal horizon]

I finished A New America in S rank and saw i unlocked something called "Duality". Can't seem to find it. Anyone who got it knows where to find it?

[mortal geode]

its tattoo

[acoustic flower]

Its bit of a shot in the dark, but I'm curious if anyone knows where to get to weight of the badge collection art book by itself, its all great material, I just I don't have 260 bucks for the whole kit, and I was curious if I could buy the art book separately, or if someone knows where I could find one, cheers!

that sounds hella like a bot post mb i just want that art book

[lethal horizon]

Got it. Had no idea. Thank you!

[exotic slate]

ARN-18 or LVAR

[worldly ridge]

Why is the 9banger useless? Goes off 2 meters from the suspect, no obstacle in the way.
No stun at all.

[wet chasm]

what mission

[worldly ridge]

23Mbps, but irrelevant

[mortal geode]

most players use lvar

[exotic slate]

do you know why?

[wet chasm]

it’s worked multiple times in my experience, with a lot of efficiency as well, might just be a bug

[worldly ridge]

So kinda useless if it's inconsistent, then

[wet chasm]

I mean, it’s worked everytime for me

[mortal geode]

build-in silencer? idk im not a weapons guy

[worldly ridge]

I have about 50% efficiency

[molten prairie]

What difficultly are you on?

[worldly ridge]

Standard

[molten prairie]

Hm, might just be AI not looking in the right direction.

Flashbangs need LoS.

[worldly ridge]

[zinc lantern]

I’m pretty sure the suppressor still doesn’t actually function on it too

[tardy trout]

Hey, what does the "show team status" hud setting do exactly?

[molten prairie]

I personally prefer C2 and Sting grenades.

[zinc lantern]

Shows your team’s status in the bottom right

[tardy trout]

Never noticed

[exotic slate]

I mean you can put a silenvcer on the other one but I do believe you

[worldly ridge]

Integrated suppressor means your weapon is overall shorter (in this case)

[exotic slate]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah that makes sense

[tardy trout]

Is it singleplayer only?

[worldly ridge]

Also, I'm always surprised how high the streamer kid's morale / resistance is. Shurgs off two taser shots and pushes into melee so only he can shoot me. Damn

[zinc lantern]

I think it shows up for multiplayer as well, but I’m not sure. I have my HUD turned off when I play

[mortal geode]

yes

[somber wolf]

I keep my helmet cam on the guy in front of me, but I like to flip through it on occasion when I lose (as in cannot find) a teammate, just to see if they’re alive (the helmet camera tell you when you flip to their camera)

[tardy trout]

Would be nice if it could switch to whoever you're looking at

[lyric palm]

i finished the game but i can’t play dlcs, do i need to finish the campaign with certain grades?

[worldly ridge]

Wdym can't play the DLCs? In the mission select menu there's an option for DLCs, they aren't all in the same list

[lyric palm]

it pulls up the warning screen about being able to progress the dlcs upon completing the campaign when i go to the dlc tabs

for all of the dlcs

[worldly ridge]

I don't know what that means, but I guess if the warning says that then yea you need to finish the campaign. As long as you don't have an F I think

But you should be able to play the DLCs

Post the warning pop-up in the screenshots channel?

[somber wolf]

I had a guy shoot a surrendered suspect, and no, it wasn’t accidental

[worldly ridge]

What guy? SWAT? Suspect? Mission?

There's actually a vigilante in the hospital mission who fights both suspects and you

[lyric palm]

lowest i have is an E so that’s probably it isn’t it?

[worldly ridge]

E is passing, so don't think so

But you can play them in Quick Play regardless, if you just want to play the missions

[lyric palm]

alright thank you

[somber wolf]

I thought vigilante is a woman

[worldly ridge]

It is

[somber wolf]

I said guy, not gal

I s2g p90 users pmo sm

[steep wagon]

guys i just bought the game, how long should it take to download? (i have 27 mbps)

[mortal geode]

google ai says about 2 hours+

[faint patio]

Can I fix the problem with the laser dot and optic dot not aligning?

[smoky cedar]

who

[worldly ridge]

Woman who wants to kill the terrorist leader

[zinc lantern]

They’re not supposed to; they’re set up on different planes on your weapon, and, depending on how they’re set up, only converge at a certain distance/zero. here’s a simple diagram to help you understand it visually: https://imgur.com/a/diagram-HaKzL3G

[worldly ridge]

"That's how we get it done, folks!" Bro you told my team to kill me because of a collateral

[faint patio]

I thought the optic dot are adjustable, or do people don't adjust dots with lasers?

[worldly ridge]

The laser and the dot are not coming from the same place

Adjust where? 15m? 50m? 100m?

[zinc lantern]

In the game? You can’t adjust your optic or laser zero. They’re just set on default

[faint patio]

Irl

[wraith lance]

Jee'
"A New America" is so hard, I can't even pass the second floor x)

[worldly ridge]

Yes, and they will point to the same place at a specific distance, not everywhere

[faint patio]

Okay

[zinc lantern]

IRL people set them up based on preference. Some do a parallel zero, others do a converging zero where the optic dot and laser meet at a certain range

[faint patio]

Right, thanks

[worldly ridge]

If I set up the laser and the optic to be zeroed at 15m, the laser and the dot will point to the same place. Anything closer or farther away, they won't as their point of source is not the same

Also, did they buff enemy AI across the board?

[summer copper]

anyone know if the game runs a binaural renderer?

[smoky cedar]

No, just on the maps with MLO (so ANA and the pier one)

[worldly ridge]

I usually run 23Mbps as a chill experience, I am having a way harder time since the patch

[smoky cedar]

MLO has this new AI CQB feature because they're paramilitary

[worldly ridge]

I'm not talking about MLO. I do not have the DLC yet

[smoky cedar]

I think they tweaked reaction times then. Aim and damage and tactics is the same for me, with the exception of MLO

[faint patio]

Does choosing different types of lasers affect where the dot will be when using scope ? (in game)

[worldly ridge]

They are way more rush happy and they always get the first shot off if I peek a corner than before

[smoky cedar]

Different lasers have different positioning

[faint patio]

I meant in game sorry

[zinc lantern]

Only depends on weapon. Right now, both the PEQ and MAWL have lasers come from the same spot on the top of the rifle, so unless it has a sidemounted PEQ, they’ll be the same visually

[smoky cedar]

I see what you're saying now. I have noticed that there's excess knifes now, as in I'm constantly getting stabbed unlike before where everyone had a gun. Even so, I am getting pushed pretty fast.

[worldly ridge]

I haven't seen the knife yet, but I get rushed and pre-fired very often

[smoky cedar]

Wasn't something I noticed the first time though

All of my deaths on 23mbps since BP came out was knives

[worldly ridge]

I haven't seen a single knife there yet lol

[smoky cedar]

Think they also improved their hearing. When I'm in mamas room they can hear me and then start yelling at me through the vent

[coarse osprey]

is it MBps or Mbps??

[faint patio]

Cool

[worldly ridge]

That's always been the case (vent hearing)

[smoky cedar]

Megabytes

[smoky cedar]

Yeah but now they are actually fucking yelling their lungs out through it

[coarse osprey]

[worldly ridge]

They did that quite often previously, at least for me

[smoky cedar]

Random question, you ever use the mirrorgun to look through the vent?

[worldly ridge]

No

[smoky cedar]

What about throwing a nade

[worldly ridge]

I don't use the mirror gun at all

Usually a flashbang or gas to time it with the apartment breach by AI

[molten prairie]

I’ve stopped using the mirror gun since I play true solo since babysitting the AI sucks.

And generally using the mirror gun just exposes you to getting rushed.

I prefer the shield for room checks. Also offers an option for dealing with some of the more bullshit angles.

[mystic palm]

Any tips for s ranks in new dlc missions?

[summer copper]

good luck

[mystic palm]

Pray?

[mortal geode]

solo hard or with someone?

[wraith lance]

Meds

[pine token]

i got a bugged suspect on the gas station who literally wouldnt surrender no matter what lol

[mystic palm]

Solo, normal in comander mode

[pine token]

he got hit with probably 15-20 flashes from my team + my entire beanbag shotgun

[worldly ridge]

Also PLEASE adjust the civilian AI. When the "Bring Order To Chaos" mission is done and the last civilian runs to me, MAYBE have them not resist?

It's jarring and stupid when the civilian literally runs to me "HELP US!" and then tells me to f off

[lofty grove]

When's the next dlc coming damn

[smoky cedar]

Not anytime soon

[summer copper]

yup pretty much

[pine token]

dude giving the flash launchers to your ai teammates is the worst decision i have ever made in this game

[limpid wind]

I can't beat new america

[worldly ridge]

Hehe. You can still use the melee tase to tase surrendered people w/o penalties

[smoky cedar]

its called a dry stun heehahehaheehasehahe

[tepid ridge]

My friend keeps trying to join and it keeps saying "connection to host lost" he joins for a few frames then he gets disconnected with that message

[smoky cedar]

are you in the same region?

[tepid ridge]

No but we were playing together fine yesterday

[wet chasm]

dude holy

playing ready or not without a hud on is genuinely so immersive

[smoky cedar]

its supposed to be

[tepid ridge]

Are there ANY fixes to this?

[wet chasm]

also dorms is the most horrifying map I’ve ever seen from a solo cqb perspective

[late prism]

The extra side plates on the heavy vest are side of the torso right? They're not the ones on the arms?

[worldly ridge]

Yea, you don't have plates on your shoulders. Those are soft armor

[late prism]

Alright thanks appreciate it, so are those just cosmetic or do they offer some damage reduction?

[mortal geode]

heavy vest is only good for AI

[worldly ridge]

They do offer some protection. Anything that shows armor on the paperdoll cutout does mitigate some. But they aren't really that good

AI mostly aims for the legs and elbows

[late prism]

Huh, learn something new every day.

[worldly ridge]

Side plates can be useful.

[late prism]

I just assumed they were cosmetic didn't know they had any damage reduction.

[worldly ridge]

You can override it in the customization.

What you select as armor in the Loadout and what you actually wear visually are not related

You can wear a stab vest and make it look like heavy armor and vica versa

[late prism]

Oh yeah I'm aware of that it's more that I didn't realise shoulder pads had any sort of protection. Kinda stupid now I think about it since it's on the damage model. I don't wear it a lot I'm mostly light.

[finite oxide]

from what mission does the game canon lore starts ?

[knotty moss]

Man the SWAT AI are still pretty useless. The reaction is so slow and they die to enemy fire so easily.

They also seem to go off and do their own thing like collect evidence when you order them to stack up

I would play online with others but unfortunately I have bad Internet so am forced to use NPCs most of the time

[desert island]

it dont cover ur shulders tho

just covers ur abdomen sides

but any damage done to ur sides but ur facing at is done to ur front

[late prism]

Heavy does, has the shoulder pads.

[desert vapor]

Am I insane or do suspects purposely target your limbs

[tiny girder]

I hope they bring this game to steam family share 🥀

[warm gate]

The people in a new america are bad for it even on casual they shred your legs and arms in 5 seconds

[inner jewel]

If youre on windows,
Settings > Time & Language > Date & Time, sync time under additional settings, make sure time is set correctly to your region's timezone
And try a VPN
If that doesn't work, look through #💻tech-support and #1265712033295372473 and make a post if you can't find a fix

[inner jewel]

Due to the multiplayer/co op features I highly doubt it'll ever get family sharing
Would be nice though

[limpid crest]

Dude why cant I ever get an officer with the kicker trait

[desert vapor]

I'm going to give the MLO a pass but why do Walmart security guards hit everything except my body armor?

[desert vapor]

Why would you need a kicker trait?

[limpid crest]

achievment

[desert vapor]

My mistake

[inner jewel]

Either they cant aim for shit or they aim too well, tossing a coin would be easier to decide here

[limpid crest]

yeah im not lucky I guess

[desert vapor]

Just hit my body armor man :(

Why do I bleed with every hit

[inner jewel]

Judge is made of glass or smth, try heavy steel maybe

[desert vapor]

Is steel better then ceramic?

[limpid crest]

Ceramic is lighter but breaks after a couple shots, steel is heavier and slower but doesnt break

Ceramic and steel are both same armor rating until it breaks

[mortal geode]

ceramic gives you 100% damage reduction to 4 shoots then breaks and gives you 40% when broken, steel gives you 86.5% reduction

[desert vapor]

Thank you guys for the info

[mortal geode]

no problem 😄

[heavy jetty]

does anyone know how to fix the bug where only clothes bleed but characters dontt

[sonic sleet]

Anyone know how to get the devil tattoo, I saw it online but don’t see how to get it

[solar quiver]

That the new secret tat?

[sonic sleet]

Yeah

[solar quiver]

Im pretty sure you have to open the vault on all gods burn

I have been trying to get it as well as the handcuff watch

[sonic sleet]

I got the handcuff but someone said on a Reddit you have to bring order to chaos then detonate on new America so might be why I didn’t get it lol. I had one suspect left on the map and didn’t want to find him so I said fuck it and set it off lmao

[solar quiver]

Ye I think you have to also do every soft objective as well

[desert vapor]

You have to detonate the skyscraper yourself

Apprehend thr flower man and press the detonator