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[twin mirage]

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[reef anvil]

Where's the HVT in the new america mission, court room?

[covert aurora]

their interesting

[reef anvil]

THIS FUCKING AI JUST SPUN AROUND THEN DOMED ME IN A INSTANT. NO TIME TO REACT

[covert aurora]

||i honestly think the attackers of pier are what's left of them||

[faint tapir]

dude ive been at this fucking mission on boiling point first mission for like 2 fucking hours what armour do i need to stop getting one tapped

[wary plover]

Is Artemis Armor new?

[simple light]

I got killed right when I got to the courtroom

[sly cosmos]

just wanted to say I finally beat relapse

[simple light]

Yeah came with the dlc

[sly cosmos]

I got a D rating because the guy was supposed to capture didn’t give me a choice

[simple light]

I killed him on neon tomb

[wary plover]

Humble fashbang:

[simple light]

I thought I was Rambo and I rushed to the court room doors without my team and died

[jolly fractal]

I had a gas mask for my squad but it showed an animation and voice lines of them equipping a gas mask so I wasn’t sure if they could equip them irregardless

[reef anvil]

is the court room the MVP location?

[cedar mulch]

But their equipment and aggression are nothing like those in DLC 2

[simple light]

Yes

[reef anvil]

roger that

3 minutes to get his goofy ass

[simple light]

You get there in a minute and half if you rush

so yeah it’s hard

[reef anvil]

also is it me or are swat AI unable to 9 bang rooms now. I'm seeing that shit just riccochet off walls

[simple light]

Bro my swat team can’t even clear properly

[sly cosmos]

i’ve noticed that too when I was doing relapse, they seemed to just drop the nine bang into the doorway instead of actually throwing it

[covert aurora]

true

[jolly fractal]

They also enter after the first two bangs

[reef anvil]

got 3 keycards new america, tf are they used for?

[simple light]

Not sure I found 2

Also I just saw this while playing
The guys with frogmen like masks have Green Berets patches

[reef anvil]

One of them spawns in the copy room

[placid surge]

Your character says smthn about security stuff when you pick it up

[jolly fractal]

Am I tripping or does one of the other two DLCs missions have a keycard you can take from someone

[reef anvil]

is it the bank?

[jolly fractal]

No like in home invasion or dark waters

[stoic thistle]

Turning off the security doors I think.

[simple light]

Bank

Oh

[jolly fractal]

I swear one of those DLCs has a keycard you need to find

[simple light]

not sure then

I’m prolly dark waters

[jolly fractal]

Yeah the bank has a dead security guy with a keycard

[reef anvil]

you need it to open a safe that has the codes for the conferance room laptop

don't calll it in or it'll break it

[silver sapphire]

u just need 1 for that

[waxen grove]

hows suspect ai in the new update? did they get any better

[simple light]

They’re hell now

For me at least

[waxen grove]

What? They are worse?

[simple light]

What if it’s special forces destroying Los Suenos for the government
Stupid ass idea Ik

[simple light]

Well I mean on the new dlc they’re moving like delta force

[stoic thistle]

||that's what they are yeah. Are you familiar with the MLO?||

[wary plover]

Shadow Wizard Government

[somber vigil]

There’s locked doors around the map, they let you open the doors instead of lock picking them

[faint tapir]

we love casting spells

[reef anvil]

I THINK I GOT THE BOMB GUY IN NEW AMERICA

[sand abyss]

flower head?

[reef anvil]

YEAH I DID

[marble cliff]

is it just me or the reload animations seems a bit too dramatic unlike older ones?

[somber vigil]

They changed the reload animations?

[sand abyss]

probably new animator?

[marble cliff]

i think they did had new team reworking the guns

[waxen grove]

thanks you saved me 13 bucks. Is void like allergic to making a normal map or something?

[marble cliff]

im sorry but im not a fan of the 2011 and G18 reload and mag check animation

it's just too dramatic

[somber vigil]

Reloading the new guns doesn’t seem that dramatic? Wdym

[marble cliff]

but the 2011 equip animation is nice

[reef anvil]

new america has soft objectives?

[covert furnace]

the 2011 reload you kinda thundercunt the mag outta there, i dont think its too dramatic, maybe a touch more aggressive than the other pistols tho

[reef anvil]

Hyper was here, I know it

[marble cliff]

the way you just slams down your hands while empty reload

[somber vigil]

I kinda thought that’s just how you were supposed to throw a mag out tbh. Especially if you’re in a do or die scenario like you are most of the time. Although I do notice that the mag when thrown out, flies very far which I thought was just how the game handled throwing

[remote snow]

Why did the " hide and seek" map dissapear ?

[sand abyss]

It did?

[remote snow]

I couldn't find it, unless it's something on my end

[reef anvil]

is there soft objectives on New America??? Cannot find these damn civvies

[somber vigil]

Didn’t even see that tbh, been too focused on these new maps

[somber vigil]

There’s tied up civilians that you need to report to toc

[wet chasm]

just like john wick

[reef anvil]

my AI already reported them, I have like 1 more civvie

[toxic atlas]

does the new america map evolve based off how you play each attempt

[somber vigil]

Civ is probably running around the map clueless then

[somber vigil]

It feels like it for sure

[toxic atlas]

first couple runs were really easy now im just getting destroyed and these AI's are unironically copying how i play, getting 1 tapped, they hold two man thresholds on doors and etc

[reef anvil]

I spent nearly an hour trying to find the FUCKING CIVIE

[somber vigil]

Yeah for me they like to sit around corners and wait till I turn around to push me

[toxic atlas]

same

they have impeccable aim all of a sudden too

ive been 1 tap headshotted more in this map in the past two days than my entire time playing ron lol

[tired jungle]

what are the keycards in new america even meant for

[toxic atlas]

secret room in mayors office

[somber vigil]

My ai genuinely can’t stop dying to them. I got a team with 2 veterans and 2 nutritionalists. Played perfectly, then at the end my team gets fucking slimed by the guys in the court room because they refuse to shoot back at the mlo

[tired jungle]

you need the keycard for that?

[toxic atlas]

you use the keycard on a randomly spawned computer (has a prompt) it unlocks "electric controlled doors" and then in mayors office there's a book lever that opens it

[simple light]

Well I mean it’s supposed to show a lot of the lore stuff

[toxic atlas]

you can't miss the very obvious fake bookshelve walls thats how i found out lol

[somber vigil]

You don’t have to use the door system for it. You just find the book and go in there

[toxic atlas]

oh then what is the keycard for??

[tired jungle]

yeah ik but i can't find the fken pc

[toxic atlas]

and computer

[somber vigil]

There’s black steel doors that are the electronically locked doors. You can choose to use the keycards on the doors meaning that the ai can’t use them, or you can unlock all the doors with that system, but the ai can also open them now.

[waxen grove]

you can show lore on a normal map. not every mission has to be yet another military group

[toxic atlas]

never seen that

[civic fiber]

@marsh lark aye man you like the update?

[somber vigil]

You probably kick them down or lock pick them

[civic fiber]

nope

you gotta C2 it open

[somber vigil]

The look like normal doors, the way you can tell they’re the doors is if you try to open them and hear a beep

[toxic atlas]

usually maps use the same door model so i never try to open any not the same

[marsh lark]

It's pretty good

[somber vigil]

I usually lockpick or open it with the keycards

[civic fiber]

mot even that the battering ram opens it

[somber vigil]

Really?

Crazy

[winged jewel]

How do I get the broken cuff

[toxic atlas]

you have to activate the bomb yourself then bring order to chaos and end mission

[somber vigil]

Beat ‘a new America’ by activating the bomb at the end

[toxic atlas]

thats what ive been trying to do butg ive just been slimed out lol

[winged jewel]

Same

[wary plover]

We should call people who wear broken cuffs traitors

[toxic atlas]

i did it like 4 times in a row by accident yesterday

[somber vigil]

How tf do you defuse it? I’ve been trying to get that

[wary plover]

They betrayed the badge

[toxic atlas]

u secure the vip

then there sa prompt on him that allows you to disable the device

[somber vigil]

Everytime I secure him it still goes off?

Like as soon as I arrest him

[toxic atlas]

theres a prompt on him after you arrest him that lets you cut the wires

[winged jewel]

I also saw they added Judges apartment

[toxic atlas]

its a deadmans switch second those 3 minutes are up it blows up since his finger isnt on it

[pure veldt]

It would be cool if there was a MW reference where they let you throw him over a railing like Captain Price does to that one dude

[somber vigil]

Oh alright, makes more sense now

[toxic atlas]

how do you get access

[winged jewel]

You have to get s rank

[toxic atlas]

the prompt is a little weird js arrest him and move ard him usually its directly infront of him you pull out your multitool

[toxic atlas]

is it like a map or small scene

[pure veldt]

It's easy to get S ranks if you run flash mgl with tasers

I personally also run a S2011 with only one magazine as an emergency pacifier

[winged jewel]

I usually run pepper ball ar

[pure veldt]

That used to be my go to until the incident

[winged jewel]

What happened

[pure veldt]

This one guy with a .357 or Calico would take about 100 pepperballs and 30 gun bashes all while refusing to surrender

Ultimately my whole team shot him with so many pepper balls it ended up knocking his ass out

[winged jewel]

Holy shit

[pure veldt]

Since then I have only used the TRPL, I don't run the VPL anymore

[wary plover]

Bro mainlined so much CS Gas he was immune

We need a night stick as a melee weapon

Non lethal

[pure veldt]

Now the MGL is prone to the same thing but not as much, this one guy on greased palms could take MGL flashes and tasers, all while being pepper balled a few times

[coral tapir]

Knife enemies are officially more dangerous than Shotgun, a type of ranged weapon that excels in close range, and more than bomb-strapped enemies.

[brazen onyx]

I’m the first ever person in this server to say

yibidibido

[covert furnace]

sure are

[winged jewel]

https://youtu.be/Vwg9HiFaYv0?si=F-vlIjPHTEohHKx0 Go to 39:48

[pure veldt]

I really wish there was a mechanic that would allow you to call in CSI only after you've completed all main objectives to collect any missing evidence

I hate losing my S ranks to one gun that I couldn't find in 3 sweeps

[fossil kindle]

So how different is the 9 bang vs a flashbang in terms of stuning effect? To me, I feel like the 9 banger is worst since it can still stun you as its going off while a flashbang is just one bang and they're stunned

[winged jewel]

🔥🔥🔥 idea

[fossil kindle]

Like how do I better use the 9 bang because it is cool

[pure veldt]

You use it like a flashbang with a longer wait before entering rooms

The point is to disorient enemies to the best effect, it also in this sense does work well with anti flash goggles

But I would presume the slow down effect from normal flashes persists

[thin veldt]

Am I going crazy or did they buff the big iron?

I feel like a drop people in one shot more consistently and it also feels like it has a faster capped fire rate

[wind gyro]

@carmine nymph you cant

[carmine nymph]

owww not fair.........

[wind gyro]

not really

[covert furnace]

what graphics settings effect how blurry my vision is through a sight, a 3x in this case

[carmine nymph]

10 dollars is a lot

[lilac crow]

man i think i exhausted my at least semi-good looking outfits that i could think up

[ebon iron]

Stabby Abby always scared me more than any other enemy. Usually cause she came running around a corner at Mach 5

[odd lagoon]

Get your money up, not your funny up

[waxen grove]

i have asked a few question and seen a few clips that says its not worth it for me at 13 bucks. its cheap as chips and i praised void in the past for that but i didnt ask for another massive map with cracked suspects, i asked for fixed ai and normal maps

[tough valve]

i can't do A New America

This is hellish

[waxen grove]

it sounds hellish

and i just wonder why every map needs to be another falvor of hell

[tough valve]

eh, i think it's fitting for the fact it's supposed to be essentially the crisis point for the plot

still, it is hellish

it's pretty much the final showdown

[waxen grove]

again plot or not we need less massive maps

swat 4 has great story and great maps

why cant ron have both too

[tough valve]

well, the bank we got is honestly really good if that's what you want

[waxen grove]

hows the 9 bannger?

[tough valve]

Three floors but each floor is relatively compact besides the main floor with the lobby, which you usually clear first in a very kinetic gunfight

[grim island]

i hope we get balaclavas in singleplayer soon

[tough valve]

I almost thought they'd be a complete an total upgrade over the standard bangs but the long chain of bangs burns time and can mess you up if you try moving through it

but they do basically INSTANTLY drop any suspect into compliance

[waxen grove]

well i think your ment to wai for them to stop banging and (in this case) hope the suspect doesnt run pass it, through the door and dome you

[tough valve]

the suspects don't really seem to be able to tank 9 bangers at all

unless they get past before it starts going bang, but the fuse time on it is shorter than the standard bang

[waxen grove]

yeah its them seeing you and running well they dont see you and run they see you and death

[covert furnace]

anyone seen that video of real swat members doing a mission in this game and flogging it? id love to see them try this banc on hard

i am seriously wondering what the proper way to go about entering a open room with several suspects and a mezzanine is

[cedar crater]

is it just me or the IR green laser beam placement looks weird

[cursive minnow]

It isn't just you.

[somber vigil]

Has anyone figured out how to make your swat ai actually shoot back?

[waxen grove]

what do you mean

[covert furnace]

some buzzfeed video or whatever, they had a team of 5 swat members play some level in ready or not, and they made it look easy using their real life tactics, i wanna know how theyd go about tackling all gods burn

[waxen grove]

swat ai still broken? i would say im suprised but im not

[ashen turtle]

does keyboard and mouse work on the console version

[somber vigil]

Of course they are, I can’t even tell them to enter a room and arrest the suspect inside of it without having them pretend like I didn’t say/do any command whatsoever.

Then another suspect comes into the room and decimates whoever the nearest officer to the door is

[covert aurora]

@warped cave Timeline of Missions Mission Date Thank You, Come Again February 3, 2025 Neon Tomb April 19, 2025 Relapse May 8, 2025 Carriers of the Vine June 1, 2025 A Lethal Obsession August 20, 2025 Twisted Nerve September 29, 2025 Stolen Valor September 30, 2025 Ides of March October 1, 2025 Sins of the Father October 2, 2025 Hunger Strike October 6, 2025 Rust Belt October 15, 2025 Elephant October 17, 2025 Greased Palms October 25, 2025 Ends of the Earth December 3, 2025 23 Megabytes A Second December 8, 2025 Sinuous Trail December 15, 2025 The Spider December 21, 2025 Valley of the Dolls January 5, 2026 Buy Cheap, Buy Twice February 10, 2026 Hide and Seek February 18, 2026 Lawmaker February 19, 2026 Dorms February 20, 2026 Narcos February 25, 2026 Mirage at Sea September 15, 2027 Leviathan October 21, 2027 Three Letter Triad November 5, 2027 No Good Deed September 3rd, 2028 All Gods Burn September 4th, 2028 A New America September 4th, 2028

^ updated chronological order

[covert furnace]

pin that please?

[covert aurora]

nah, it's not pin worthy really. just something i do for fun.

[somber vigil]

‘All gods burn’ and ‘a new america’ happen in the same day? Holy shit is the Los suenos pd getting overworked

[waxen grove]

it is worth a pin

[violet sorrel]

This court house map might be worse than the ship dock and post office map

[covert aurora]

honestly people wanted old farm back, hard mode for tower is techically that 🤣

[waxen grove]

thats what i keep hearing. seems like void knows how to keep my money in my wallet😅

[somber vigil]

This update turned Los suenos into Gotham city

[glass torrent]

man i swear no good deed is impossible to s rank because of the amount of civ casualties dude one moment its fine then theres 3 civilians killed instantly somehow

[cedar crater]

ship dock is kinda cool tho, feels like a legit cod night raid

[waxen grove]

it wasnt already?

[somber vigil]

It was a slightly more aggressive Chicago

[dry rain]

nothing can be worse than greased palms and i stand by that

[somber vigil]

Now we have dudes bombing banks and government offices and courtrooms in the same day😭✌🏽

[cedar crater]

i guess the court house is similar to greased palms in terms of difficulty but i rly like the court house setting and the stakes

[glass torrent]

ok u just dragging it greased palm was bad but not worse than 3lt hide and seek and ana

[dry rain]

hide and seek lowk wasn’t that bad imo ✌️

[waxen grove]

slightly? everyone has super human reactions lol

[vast nest]

Damn D platoon can't get a break when DLCs come out

[glass torrent]

and how about 3 letter triad

[covert aurora]

🤣

[somber vigil]

I’m not talking about the ai that have the most obvious aimbot ever made. I’m talking about the actions of the missions we play

[cedar crater]

i tried dragging my buddy into RON and he got PTSD from neon tomb due to the bombers

[dry rain]

which ones that?? is that the one w the abandoned hotel on the beach? if so that’s 10x worse than greased palms, i despise that mission

[pulsar forge]

I’ll say is more the fact that people are just rushing it like if they were dealing with the usual low life/Body guards we deal in base and other dlc but this guys in new America are literal pmc’s

[visual gorge]

Hi

[ripe hound]

Anyone else have problems with the final mission in that no matter mission fails and THE THING HAPPENS? We were absolutely in time and arrested the guy, it happened IMMEDIATELY

[glass torrent]

3 letter triad....the worst mission in the game second (i think) to a new america

[pulsar forge]

He’ll I have seen them tank 2 body shots of the .50

[visual gorge]

I got through it last night with one of my buds, I’m 90% sure you just have to get lucky.

[somber vigil]

Nah dawg, I’m being rushed by the fucking ai. They need to fix the ai and the new map could be fire asf

[cedar crater]

rly like that detail where the PMC breaches the doors

[visual gorge]

Even casual is difficult on the ‘A New America’ mission

I might just be bad at this game though

[dry rain]

after like 5 tries i haven’t even tried to s rank it, don’t care anymore its genuinely torture

[pulsar forge]

That’s the idea of smart ai, they rush you if you back down or hear you reloading

[waxen grove]

yeah action in my experences is the same in all the missions.

[ripe hound]

Luck makes no sense in this context unless its RNG to fail or make it in this mission imo

[pulsar forge]

But if you push them they back down or hide from you to catch you

[somber vigil]

Realistically, why the fuck would someone (military training or not) run into a room with 5 armed men by themselves in hopes of getting a kill?

In what world is that “smart”

[merry epoch]

Am I alone in thinking that the new DLC feels like a departure from the rest of the game’s tone?

[pulsar forge]

That actually surprise me the first time, didn’t expect it plus the flash bang

[visual gorge]

I mean I’m pretty sure you just gotta get lucky, not that there’s an RNG perspective to the mission. These guys are tanky and hit like trucks. So you just gotta hope you’re lucky and get a headshot every time.

[waxen grove]

never going to happen. we have been waiting for the ai to be fixed for like 4 years i think. when did it enter early access? 2021?

[ripe hound]

Thats not what I mean - we iced the final guy once and it went boom, we arrested him and it went boom - we were well within the time frame that it SHOULDNT go boom

[visual gorge]

Speaking of this mission, what’s with MLO’s obsession with Judge?

[pulsar forge]

Outside of luck, the 3 time I have completed this mission with randoms have been when they took it slow and started listening to the game it self

[visual gorge]

Oh, that. I’m pretty sure it just always go boom.

[pulsar forge]

This guys like to scream their orders and actions

[somber vigil]

Yeah I fully agree that the ai will never be fixed. They said in this update they fixed so many issues with the ai, yet I feel no difference in how easily I get one shotted, or how many times I have to tell my officers to open a door or arrest a civilian

[visual gorge]

I’m 90% sure we’re supposed to just ‘lose’

[ripe hound]

Its a mission failure then, tho?

[somber vigil]

Not to mention that the officers sometimes won’t even shoot back at suspects, despite getting fucking mag dumped

[pulsar forge]

I don’t think so, if not why hidding the secret ending as long as you completed the mission correctly

[visual gorge]

Ehh..

I don’t know 100%

Very good chance I’m wrong.

[waxen grove]

why am i not surprised that swat ai is still broken

[somber vigil]

“We fixed over 200 bugs involving swat ai”

[pulsar forge]

Plus I like how they made it that if you explore it you can get advantage from them but shutting the power off and getting the key cards to deactivate the electronic locks and alarms

[covert furnace]

got plenty of time to read all new messages in the time it takes for the try again button to appear after dying..

[visual gorge]

Sounds about right

[covert furnace]

do the suspects have anything in their code or ai where they can only shoot if theyre facing you? because i have seen so many behind the back shots today my goodness gracious

[cedar crater]

and broke some of them, ur fancy IR laser will now always project a laser from the sight of the weapon despite it being placed to the right side of the gun

[quasi coral]

Personally yea, this is a lot further than what I saw the game for

[merry epoch]

It feels more mission impossibley than like ready or not

[quasi coral]

Not mission impossible, more like SWAT 3 nukes type shi

[merry epoch]

I personally haven’t engaged with it but that sounds about right

[plain carbon]

So am I missing something or is there a requirement for the new beanies and hat? I own the dlc but can’t find it

[quasi coral]

I haven't as well, just know that SWAT 3 is a save the world as a police squad type of game

[merry epoch]

The missions are fun but it feels like they took a lot of liberties when writing it

[somber vigil]

You can’t wear a helmet

[cedar crater]

the random ass flashback in cod that sets up for the entire campaign's storyline

[quasi coral]

I can barely see any swat relation

[plain carbon]

Got ya thank you

[quasi coral]

Besides me yelling at them to get down, yea that's about it

[cedar crater]

wait are we technically just police officers or are we swat

[quasi coral]

But yea like ya said, the missions are damn fun

[quasi coral]

We are a specialized S.W.A.T. squad

[somber vigil]

Technically we’re a special swat unit that is more federal than anything

[quasi coral]

Basically like the Direct Action Special Forces of SWAT I guess

[somber vigil]

We’re like the fbi offensive unit

[quasi coral]

Well said

[merry epoch]

It’s a CIA rogue unit with super soldiers who conned a group into committing a terrorist attack, knowing it would cause riots, so they could rob a bank that the riots would be close to, clear the bank out, put a dead guy in the vault, close it up, leave half the team there, and rig the building to blow

[cedar crater]

i like how in dlc 3 the city is in anarchy and u can hear the chaos from the station

[pulsar forge]

See it this way, there is the regular response unit then SWAT and when shit hit the fan out unit

[cedar crater]

it felt like i took a short vacation, came back and was like "tf happened here"

[merry epoch]

Followed up by overthrowing the city hall and rigging half the block to explode with 10 million jammers and 20 fully armed and armored guys who just made their way in without much resistance

[waxen grove]

sounds like the mission is better then i first thought if its like swat 3 but it needs ai like swat to get me to drop my 13 bucks

[somber vigil]

Yeah I want to know how they managed to do this

[merry epoch]

The power of poor writing

[somber vigil]

Because one or two building is one thing, it was seven fucking buildings/skyscrapers

This is crazier than 9/11

[cedar crater]

i thought when shit hits the fan, the police would leave it to swat like in the case of a bank robbery

[patent sleet]

Does anyone else have an error about losting connection to epic games server? Trying to play w my bud and it disconnects everytime while we play and me it says "lost connection to epic games server" and his says "lost connection to the host" . Does someone else have the same problem or know how i might fix it?

[quasi coral]

And WE, D Platoon is dealing with this?

[visual gorge]

Wait.. it was SEVEN?

[merry epoch]

Also this is an organization that just lost like 8 members a couple days before

[somber vigil]

Yeah, toc says “there’s seven building rigged”

[merry epoch]

So they have to be pretty big to just shrug it off

[wind gyro]

disable crossplay is one way to fix it

[visual gorge]

Christ

[merry epoch]

Tho again, CIA flower heads

[pulsar forge]

And they do, there’s a SWAT unit clearing all building around the map, you can even see them at the start of bank if spawn on Main Street

[merry epoch]

Hence they get away with everything

[cedar crater]

wait so even if we managed to disarm the bomb from the trigger man, there are still other buildings which are rigged?

[somber vigil]

I was in genuine shock when I heard that this wasn’t the only building rigged with explosives. LET ALONE 7?

[wind gyro]

banned for spoilers

[somber vigil]

Also can we acknowledge the fact that getting all those explosives would’ve been crazy to obtain?

[merry epoch]

They would have to have at least 140 direct action guys

[pulsar forge]

The one we are in not, the others yeah

[somber vigil]

Enough explosives to level 7 large buildings isn’t like homemade shit

[cedar crater]

wow thats insane

[reef anvil]

Just did the bad ending and i'm actually curious if the bad ending is canon. It's the only ending where you get a cosmetic reward and something special to view

[quasi coral]

WHAT? What do you get?

[reef anvil]

go do the bad ending boss

[somber vigil]

A smoothie

[pulsar forge]

Although don’t quote on this one, I have only cleared it 3 times and 2 someone shoot the flower dude so I’m not really clear

[cedar crater]

i mean everyone is bound to get the bad ending coz the towers tumbling are actually epic, feels like a flashback mission to setup for the next campaign

[visual gorge]

I’m currently trying to compile evidence for what MLO might actually be. With what I’ve found, yeah, it seems they aren’t just a group of terrorists with homemade bombs.

[merry epoch]

The background lore of judge being a sleeper agent was cool and all but it dosent fit a front and center plot very well

[reef anvil]

welcome back battlefield 3

[wind gyro]

||one part of a handcuff under the watches section||

[cedar crater]

so far RON feels like cod mw2019 campaign but hey i'm not complaining

[somber vigil]

I thought it was a bunch of people from the in game universes version of the mk ultra experiment, that had gathered together and formed their own group of essentially terrorists

[reef anvil]

once again, I believe that's the canon ending, and or continuation because if you do the proper objectives. You get nothing

[merry epoch]

Oh yeah cuz one of the lines the guy says to you if you die on the mission is “don’t worry about losing control, it dosent mean anything if you never had it in the first place” or something like that

[pulsar forge]

Up to the last dlc the info was related to a terrorist/cult type court of owls in Batman

[cedar crater]

im surprised we never got an open shootout in a random ass street

[visual gorge]

Never thought of that.. might look into that later

[merry epoch]

They’re CIA super soliders

[somber vigil]

I’m surprised, I’ve been hearing that’s the running theory

[amber ginkgo]

good morning everyone

[cedar crater]

lowk RON feels like a horror sub-genre of shooter games

[waxen grove]

I think i can agree with that

[merry epoch]

The running theory is CIA super soldiers from a more successful MK ultra drug

[pulsar forge]

And the fact that all notes and scattered info shows that Judge may be either infiltrated the police department for them or is MK ultra

[somber vigil]

How?😭

[somber vigil]

Yeah that’s what I was getting at

[waxen grove]

the ai

[cedar crater]

neon tomb

[visual gorge]

So far, what I have is that they’re made up of 3 distinct groups; the MLO, ex-USIA and possibly former FISA(?), and some kind of Death Cult? Although I don’t have enough evidence right now to confirm that last part definitively

[somber vigil]

Neon tomb is not that scary

[cedar crater]

idk the game gives me anxiety sometimes when i first played it

[merry epoch]

Judge is pretty explicitly one of them but he might not know it

[cedar crater]

theres like a sea of bodies on the floor

[somber vigil]

I think the map with the methheads is the most scary

[visual gorge]

Tbf, I didn’t know about MLO until last night

[cedar crater]

i agree now thats horror

and valley of the dolls

[somber vigil]

Especially without nvgs

[merry epoch]

I think the MLO is one of the 8 members of the spider and they made judge to off the other 7

[somber vigil]

Yeah but that’s not scary

[cedar crater]

the cult map's ambience is also spooky

[pulsar forge]

Not a death cult, more of a Smuff trafficker

[reef anvil]

I just realised, the mission A New America is the ONLY mission where you don't get a cosmetic for S ranking the mission

[waxen grove]

i think the ai gives you the horror. die enough times and your checking your six every 2 seconds and refusing to check a t intersection

[undone bane]

God trynna connect to these epic servers always takes forever

[cedar crater]

the rushing bomber gave my friend ptsd so its a horror to me

[somber vigil]

(Every dark waters and home invasion mission too btw)

[reef anvil]

every other mission will grant you cosmetic items for performing all objectives

[visual gorge]

Maybe, but the “The ritual begins” dialogue and “I don’t think they care if they live or die” hostage dialogue makes me think otherwise

[hollow citrus]

you get cosmetic for doing something else tho

[cedar crater]

greased palms on hard is the horror

[reef anvil]

I'm pretty sure they give you cosmetics for S ranking those

[somber vigil]

No?

I don’t have any from them if they do

[merry epoch]

I think the MLO foot soldiers aren’t in control of their own mind

Not nessecarily a death cult

[pulsar forge]

With everything that they have been doing sounds more towards an anarchy cult

Mixing topping down the base of society as a higher mean

[visual gorge]

I mean, an anarchist cult and death cult aren’t mutually exclusive things

[somber vigil]

That’s what I’m thinking too, especially since they talk about how judge is being controlled and he’s a “puppet”

[visual gorge]

That’s also a possibility, but still, I’d still count that as a cult

[hollow citrus]

||the judge is the the man with the chess piece on his head and he gets crowned after the new america secret ending cutscene||

[visual gorge]

I mean, just as an example, Monolith from the STALKER series is a nuclear death cult whose members are brainwashed, but they’re still counted as a death cult.

[somber vigil]

Do you get this for completing it normally? (Without going boom boom)

[reef anvil]

No the fuck they're not

[visual gorge]

||there’s a cutscene?||

[cedar crater]

guys the lapd needs to hire leon so he can go roundhouse kick suspects

[merry epoch]

Yeah

[visual gorge]

Wdym?

[hollow citrus]

no

[somber vigil]

I missed it then☹️

[plush mulch]

💀💯

[pulsar forge]

Yeah but mostly couse they don’t have an objective outside of killing anyone that’s why they see them as a death cult, death with out objective outside of dying

[hollow citrus]

||sort of, theres actually 2 of those, one for S ranking the mission and one for detonating the explosives yourself||

[cedar crater]

and drop one-liners

[merry epoch]

The general consensus is that the MLO are MK ultra CIA folk the divisions in ideas come from why they do that

[somber vigil]

I wouldn’t be surprised if umbrella corp was involved in the RoN universe

[visual gorge]

Very fair point.

[pulsar forge]

With everything we have seen that’s not a far idea to be honest

[past lily]

err for the pier mission can you get a S bercause when i enter the room with gas the second i got near a civ it just failed the rescue civilian mission

[reef anvil]

the Monolith are a by-product of the C-Con needing soldiers to protect the Centre of the zone from incursions from other Stalkers. They're not a death cult by sheer fact they're led by the C-Con in giving legendary callouts to smite the poor stalker.

If you want a death cult, there's IRL examples to use

[wary plover]

I believe that bad ending was never meant to be canon

A little what if

[reef anvil]

Sure they're brainwashed, but they're brainwashed by their brain being fried by psy-waves

[visual gorge]

I forgot about C-Con tbh, and I really don’t wanna bring up something like Heaven’s Gate, but I guess you can use them as an example of what I mean.

[pulsar forge]

That’s what I see MLO as a Anarchy cult and not a death one, they are willing to kill and die hence the cult but their objective is to tumble society down with them

[wary plover]

A New America might be a nod to Joker's philosophy of one bad day

[merry epoch]

What All this means is that the crazy guy from lethal obsession was a good guy

[hollow citrus]

||i actually think its a choice instead of what if, you get another ending for doing S rank so its like choose your own path||

[merry epoch]

For trying to warn judge and get him out

[wary plover]

Lol no, he killed like 6 cops

[reef anvil]

they're trying to reset the world from zero .that's what V2 is for

[pulsar forge]

Yeah but they been having a bad day since base game

[visual gorge]

I feel like that’d be a bit too cheesy for RoN but it’s not entirely off the table of possibilities

[merry epoch]

Twas a joke

[past lily]

good guys dont project their message by shooting a bunch of cops

[somber vigil]

I don’t think so either, especially with the fact that at the end || you’re in a prison cell then teleported back to police hq||

[reef anvil]

wait there's another one for S rank?

[hollow citrus]

yes

[visual gorge]

So is Boiling Point the end of RoN’s story line?

[reef anvil]

FUCK, I THOUGHT THE SECRET ONE WAS THE CANON ONE

[merry epoch]

I literally called the guy who tries to kill us teh good guy how are you misinterpreting this as serious

[wary plover]

No, you must S rank

For the true canon ending like God intended

[hollow citrus]

|| is you complete S rank you will get ending inside of judge's house||

[past lily]

is the swat team on the radio in the city hall mission the swat guys that are dead in one of the rooms

[visual gorge]

I’m not even gonna try. That sounds like a nightmare to do

[pulsar forge]

I’ll say is more like the end of the prologue and now we start the real story line

[merry epoch]

Yes

[reef anvil]

time to boot the game up again and beat it to S rank on casual

[somber vigil]

What would that be? Becoming an mlo member?

[visual gorge]

So, it’s the end of one story and the beginning of another?

[wary plover]

||So S rank is the canonically accurate result for all maps?||

[merry epoch]

Judge was always an MLO member

Judge is the MLO member

[past lily]

isnt judge like a super beefed up USIA experiemtn

[visual gorge]

So I’m not insane for thinking Judge’s voice is suspiciously similar to the MLO guy on the radio?

[merry epoch]

Yes

[visual gorge]

Yes he is a super soldier

[somber vigil]

Why would they kill him then? I know they refer to him as some special guy or smn but if he is one, why would they kill him?

[wary plover]

Judge is the perfect cop

[hollow citrus]

|| i think its a choice, side with MLO and submit to chaos or finally completely turn into the slave of the system||

[reef anvil]

does difficulty matter for S rank here?

[merry epoch]

Not crazy to guess clones

[pulsar forge]

Yeah like the usual, we started dealing with low life/crack heads then things start escalating bit by bit to the point where we are right now fighting a secret group with access to pmc and military gear

[patent sleet]

nope, still the same. any other ideas that could fix the "Lost connection to epic games server" error?

[hollow citrus]

||no||

[visual gorge]

Cutting off loose ends. Either they gain control over him again, or they kill off their biggest threat.

[merry epoch]

Because in the canon route judge is basically John wick and will kill them

[past lily]

what does the lasers do in the city hall

[reef anvil]

running ts casual time

[hollow citrus]

movement detector

[wary plover]

||I don't believe thats the right way to look at it. Its chaos vs justice||

[visual gorge]

When I first came over a dead Black Sentinel dude, I immediately thought that “oh shit, is this a US Army coup?”

[pulsar forge]

Well they have us the option as a Easter egg but we may end up dealing with Judge himself in a mission where the base end will be killing him or as secret end saving him

[wary plover]

Judge was never meant to be a slave to the system

[merry epoch]

Yeah he was

[past lily]

is that the ones in the hallways

[wind gyro]

thats the way i fixed it, me and my friend keep getting disconnected by that. you can try syncing your time in windows settings

[pulsar forge]

That’s why I’m guessing we just ended the prolog of the main story and now we are getting to the meat of it

[wary plover]

Let's say chaos wins, then what? Kill each other like animals because might makes right?

[hollow citrus]

||los suenos has no justice. the mission with veterans proves there is no good side||

[somber vigil]

Why did the flower guy want to have judge come in for a “test” though?

[reef spade]

Urgent, I completed the map on S, but the thing is that the last enemy caught a bug and doesn't react to anything, just holds the weapon and I don't know how to make him sit down, how many times my teammates shot, including me

[past lily]

so they can go see him directly or sum IDK its along that line

the detonator is cus theyre planning to blow up city hall

[hollow citrus]

yes

[merry epoch]

If judge kills his way through, they know to continue pursuing him

[visual gorge]

I really hope this game doesn’t devolve into something like a US civil war or some near sci-fi/fantasy BS

[merry epoch]

If he fails, he wasn’t worth their time

[patent sleet]

wdym sync time? didn't catch that

[hollow citrus]

taser could help or flash, if not you are cooked

[visual gorge]

Don’t have an excuse for that, because I have no clue what you’re talking about.

[pulsar forge]

Judge is supposed to be a FISA infiltrator/MK ultra and looks like MLO is aware of it but is trying to get him to there side

[wind gyro]

windows settings, time and date, sync now

[somber vigil]

Oh, I thought it would’ve been so they can see if he’s willing to join their side or not.

[past lily]

when you activate the thing that disrupts the explosive so you can move into the court room, the guy thats talking thru TOC tells judge to go into the court room

[reef spade]

the taser and flash drive are gone

[visual gorge]

hmm..

[wary plover]

||The law keeps us from living like animals, its not perfect but a society is possible. Remove the law and we will be done for||

[merry epoch]

Judge is a (potentially unknowing) MLO plant

[pure veldt]

How many people do I know here?

[visual gorge]

Oh, hey Krull

[pure veldt]

Hey

[somber vigil]

At the end, the flower guy tells judge to “come to the courtroom upstairs for your final test” which I assume would either be to kill judge or to see if he’s willing to join their cause

[pulsar forge]

That’s the other potential option

[past lily]

we start talking to toc after we get rid of flower man right

[merry epoch]

Evidence points to it

Former CIA knows him by name, MLO knows him, he kind of knows it

[patent sleet]

whats the point of this?

[wind gyro]

eos requires your time to be synced, it fixes one specific error

[visual gorge]

Disregarding (for now) the Anarchist theory, could MLO or at least Black Sentinel be made up of either former or current USMC? They have ‘Sic Semper Tyrannis’ written on their helmets, which is the USMC’s motto.

[hollow citrus]

||the game doesnt reflect the real world, in the game lore the los suenos is in state of complete chaos, government has failed and corruption has risen across all of the city. hence why the DLC name is boiling point, the law has failed and now theres only sides||

[pulsar forge]

At the end of the day we are seen the game from the eyes of judge since he is the playable character from the main commander mode/campaign mode

[merry epoch]

They probably recruit from there

Somewhat

[hollow citrus]

||they are former LSPD, SWAT, vetertans, USIA and USIA victims||

[somber vigil]

Yeah I found that crazy when they said “David?” Like an old highschool friend or some shit. They definitely know each other to some degree

[past lily]

was the mayor killed in the city hall

[merry epoch]

That’s what I’m saying

[merry epoch]

Yeah he dead

[pure veldt]

I thought that was Semper Fi

Or well sorry, Semper Fidelis

[visual gorge]

Sic Semper Tyrannis is also associated with the USMC

[merry epoch]

My personal theory is judge is a sleeper agent experiement from the MLO/CIA being used to take out their rivals

Hence why they know him

[somber vigil]

And the flower guy also refers to judge as David. ||the green glove man during the bad ending also knows his name and everything about him|| definitely a know super soldier

[mild parcel]

That was the bad ending? So there is a good ending

[merry epoch]

Also personal theory, FISA makes judge close the human trafficking container so the victims die before they can answer questions

[somber vigil]

||I also noticed that one of the mlo solders warns about that man, saying “a strange man will come to you with an offer, do not accept it” which the man offers judge a chance to “break free” or something along those lines ||

[visual gorge]

Why does MLO attack civilians? If their whole idea is to tear down the system and rebuild it, then why attack the people who could’ve supported you? Spreading chaos doesn’t make sense, because they could’ve just attacked facilities like fire stations, police stations and other government buildings.

[merry epoch]

Means to an end

[somber vigil]

I think they just took the container and resold them off screen. We know there involved with it, and they told us they’d come collect it.

[hollow citrus]

||my theory that MLO is people who rebelled against USIA(CIA) shady practices of experimenting on people since the glove man refers to MLO soldiers as poor victims, it could be that they opposed the government ideas. when the Judge is an example of the sucessful USIA(CIA) experiment of making a super soldier, it fits the narrative of MLO being former both USIA victims and agents too||

[merry epoch]

But the paper trail is too strong

[somber vigil]

They only attack civilians during the first mission with the gas, other than that they don’t actively see out civilians for hostages

[merry epoch]

Their existence won’t disappear, but their breath can and nobody will care

[visual gorge]

Yeah, but that still doesn’t make any sense. Why waste resources?

[wary plover]

||why kill thousands of people then?||

[merry epoch]

They aren’t carrying out the first mission

[merry epoch]

To incite the riots

[visual gorge]

If it’s supposed to be a signal, why not attack something like the LSPD or a national guard barracks?

[wary plover]

they are terrorists, not rebels

[past lily]

was MLO behind the pier attack

[hollow venture]

Clever point man I think it's a plot tool for making levels

[merry epoch]

That won’t incite riots

[somber vigil]

I think it was in attempt to make the people riot against the police. They wore police outfits and everyone in the bank map says “we know about Blackwood” the name of the pier which was attacked

[merry epoch]

They gave the weapons but didn’t do it themselves

[hollow citrus]

||they are terrorists||

[somber vigil]

It was obvious that they wanted people to turn against cops so that they’d have an advantage during the bank robbery

[visual gorge]

They supplied the weapons and uniforms

[limber robin]

Has anyone been successful in unlocking the "My Eyes, It Burns!" achievement yet?

[visual gorge]

I see..

[undone bane]

They're terrorists dawg, i dont think they care all that much

[past lily]

yeah cause with all the chaos they can hit the bank

[merry epoch]

One of my biggest issues with it

[visual gorge]

It seems they have enough influence over other groups to be able to incite riots through other means anyway

[somber vigil]

Yep, not to mention almost every civilian was wearing a mask, making it hard to identify who was and wasn’t a robber.

[past lily]

i think those are rioters too

rioters + actual robbers + black sentinel + just regular dudes

[merry epoch]

You don’t incite a riot via funding, you incite a riot via outrage

[hollow venture]

I didn't really like how you enter the bank but it seems to be the point of the level

[visual gorge]

Fair..

[hollow citrus]

oh you sweet summerchild

[merry epoch]

I mean on a large scale

[visual gorge]

Larger scale uprisings require funding

[merry epoch]

You can fund false flags (like what the MLO did) and you can fund initial incidents, but not the riots themselves

[visual gorge]

But a riot just requires outrage and manpower

[merry epoch]

Yes

[hollow venture]

Just gotta be angry enough!

[merry epoch]

Which is what the pier attack brought out

[hollow citrus]

||im pretty sure it was in the lore that MLO did have ties with other groups in the city and they ordered them to riot in the perfect timing, making a snowball effect||

[visual gorge]

I’ll need to look into this more to see if I can find anything else.

I feel like we’re missing something.

[merry epoch]

Let me preserve what little sanctity I have left for this game and believe that’s wrong

[merry epoch]

I think it’s all in front of us

People just aren’t seeing the bigger picture

[somber vigil]

They might not have even needed ties, Los suenos stories showed us that the city was already fed up with police. I think all it took was one event blaming the cops and everyone got sick of it.

[merry epoch]

Too focused on the new stuff

[floral peak]

They might had sleeper agents everywhere

[past lily]

has the national guard been deployed in LS

[visual gorge]

Is it possible that MLO could be based off shady companies like Blackrock who some people think are some kind of shadow government?

[visual gorge]

Yes

[hollow citrus]

also for reasoning for pier attack MLO is still a cult so i doubt they care much about morals

[floral peak]

Send 1-2 swat members and forget

[merry epoch]

Maybe but also I think it’s more an underground criminal conspiracy

Like the Epstein case

[stoic thistle]

The MLO is tied to the USIA.

[waxen grove]

i have to ask, will the ai ever be fixed?

[visual gorge]

That also had ties to major companies though.

[merry epoch]

True

[somber vigil]

Every group is tied together in some way

[merry epoch]

Major companies might be one of the 8 in the spider

[floral peak]

They literally broke out from them

[visual gorge]

I swear on all that is holy, if this is just gonna be RoN’s version of the Black Ops 6 campaign’s plot line of a secret shadow organisation within the CIA doing bad shit, then I’m gonna flip a table

[stoic thistle]

I think that the USIA is still somewhat directing them. They killed the mayor and ransacked the city hall for a reason.

[merry epoch]

That’s what it has been

[visual gorge]

USIA is RoN’s version of the CIA, right?

[merry epoch]

It’s just hit the front page of the game now

[merry epoch]

Yes

[somber vigil]

Woah woah woah, black ops 6? There’s zero way we’re going that down bad

[visual gorge]

Let me go find a table to flip then

[past lily]

if the guy detonates the bomb does city hall just blow up

[merry epoch]

It was cool when it was just red string boards

[visual gorge]

Okay, done.

[merry epoch]

Now it’s genuinely kinda boring

[stoic thistle]

There's still a lot of unknowns.

[visual gorge]

Is this game gonna keep drifting from the whole “you’re an average swat officer having to deal with what US police have to deal with on a monthly basis” kinda thing?

[merry epoch]

Like most of the spider members

The only one that’s set in stone is voll

[visual gorge]

So MLO also has ties to pedophiles? Can they get anymore evil?

[merry epoch]

Maybe

[stoic thistle]

They snap the pens off of the chains at banks.

And they refuse to return shopping carts too.

[merry epoch]

My personal theory says yes but also the MLO is actively using judge is kill pedophiles

[visual gorge]

Now that is evil

[somber vigil]

They rigged 7 buildings to blow up all at the same time. We’re in joker levels of evil atp

[visual gorge]

Yeah fair point

[stoic thistle]

They do say that they want to get rid of rot starting at the top.

They also mention Babylon.

[visual gorge]

Like the ancient city?

[merry epoch]

I think the MLO is getting rid of the rot in order to take over

The MLO is one of the eight, and is using judge to kill the other 7 so they can run things

[somber vigil]

Personally I think the best place to get rid of rot is from the bottom. Might just be me though

[visual gorge]

Cut the head off the snake

[merry epoch]

But then they have no kingdom to inherit

[visual gorge]

Not the ass.

[somber vigil]

They might just want to get rid of the spider. They seem to have the most connections and weapons

[stoic thistle]

I think that's the USIA's goal, get rid of the weaklings like the mayor and criminals like Voll. A nice and secure America, under an iron fist.

[merry epoch]

Exactly

[drowsy chasm]

Bru this update genuinly good asf. Ion think I have one complaint

That radio silence was worth it 😭

[visual gorge]

I have two, but it’s still good

[merry epoch]

It’s my personal branch that the MLO is evil and wants to take over the crime but it is more likely that they’re on the joker route

[somber vigil]

Says who? If they get rid of the ones that have control, then they will eventually be the ones who control the system.

[drowsy chasm]

It’s the best they’ve released since the console update graphics look good asf and ragdoll n shi

[merry epoch]

Of killing the establishment in order for the people to thrive

[stoic thistle]

They are pawns of the establishment.

[merry epoch]

If they take out the bottom they have or build their way back to the top

[floral peak]

Another attempt on Programmed Psychosis, another time hearing SWAT officers above me being massacred

[merry epoch]

MLO may or may not be

[somber vigil]

Which will make them look like the “good guys” if they rebuild with something that makes them look good

[lilac crow]

the fact that the mc and mcb L9 combat shirts don't have the solid color torso like the rest of the camo ones do infuriates me so much

[merry epoch]

It’s unclear if they’ve split from the CIA

[merry epoch]

Fair

[split sandal]

do i need to play on commander mode to unlock the secret endings

[merry epoch]

Honestly I’m most curious about the other members of the spider

[visual gorge]

We’ve probably ran into almost all of them atp.

[somber vigil]

The spider like to keep themselves anonymous

[merry epoch]

But who

[visual gorge]

Either directly or indirectly

[merry epoch]

Voll was one of them

[visual gorge]

I’d suspect Mindjot’s CEO

[merry epoch]

That’s the only confirmed one

[merry epoch]

Nah

Mindjot is broke

That’s why they helped voll

[stoic thistle]

Do you think UnityTrust is a part of it?

[somber vigil]

I thought he was just a customer

[merry epoch]

Voll is a Producer

Read the photo notes

[merry epoch]

Maybe

[somber vigil]

True that I forgot

[merry epoch]

An influential bank targeted by the MlO

[visual gorge]

It’s a bank. Of course they are.

[merry epoch]

Yo gang I’m getting my notebook

[visual gorge]

Good idea, I used mine for compiling evidence on MLO

[merry epoch]

I have 30 minutes of footage to scrub through and subtitle for evidence later

[visual gorge]

I should start recording my gameplay to go through it later

[midnight parrot]

My friend is having an issue where he just indefinetely stuck on "Authenticating with epic servers" no matter what he does, anyone know a fix?

[merry epoch]

I have 4 suspects so far

Unity trust, The MLO, The Russian traffickers

[visual gorge]

It’s always the Russians

[peak crane]

Can I use mods that are last updated in 2025?

[visual gorge]

Seriously though, there’s no way they aren’t involved

[merry epoch]

They’re a leading figure

They mark their containers with the spider

They have a human spider in the auction room

[visual gorge]

A fucking what?

[merry epoch]

Go into the auction room on the port and look at the ceiling

[loud orbit]

guys

[merry epoch]

It’s very creepy once you realize it’s always been there

[loud orbit]

I love talking about ron

[visual gorge]

I’d rather not

God, all these achievements for Boiling Point sound impossible

[merry epoch]

What was the guy’s name from lethal obsession?

[visual gorge]

Outside of the regular “complete xyz mission on standard”

[drowsy chasm]

Yo is neon tomb and active shooter mission now?

[visual gorge]

it always has been, no?

[drowsy chasm]

No? It was a barricaded suspects

[visual gorge]

I have no idea then

[merry epoch]

Yo I just remembered that eve from the vineyard was training a squad of hitmen who specialized in disappearing people

[visual gorge]

She wouldn’t be involved with Spider because, Y’know, trafficking?

[merry epoch]

That is absolutely something she would do to jump her former colleagues

[merry epoch]

No

She was probably doing it to attack them

[visual gorge]

maybe.

Anyway, I’m gonna go play RoN, cya guys

[merry epoch]

Look at the ceiling

[stoic thistle]

Russians
Voll
USIA
FISA
UnityBank
Los Locos
Los Navigantes del Caos
Black sentinel.
8 groups, 8 legs.

[visual gorge]

N o .

[merry epoch]

I like the enthusiasm

[hollow citrus]

bro is onto something

[merry epoch]

But FISA isn’t independent of the CIA, more likely a pawn

And los locos dosent do much

[hollow citrus]

although if you count FISA as a group too then why not LSPD is a group

[blazing raft]

Is the fastest way to achieve ironman mode whitout loosing officers just going solo and shooting everyone?

[merry epoch]

Not worldwide

[merry epoch]

No

Cuz then your guys will get sad and quit and then it won’t count

[hollow citrus]

but FISA and USIA are?

[blazing raft]

Oh if they quit it counts as death?

[merry epoch]

That’s why FISA is grouped with the CIA

[merry epoch]

I think so

I remember it not giving me the watch after a guy quit

[hollow citrus]

here i thought american agencies work within their jurisdiction lol

[merry epoch]

The CIA’s jurisdiction is earth

Also the FBI has deployed to Yemen before

But yeah the CIA absolutely is a worldwide organization

They have sleeper cells irl calling targeting in Russia

For the extra evil ready or not version them being a worldwide organization on the level of the spider conspiracy is very plausible

[solemn patio]

WHOS LAUGHING NOW THEY DID 50% OF THAT

G18 FOREVER

[last bolt]

I hate a new America

Not because it's hard

[solemn patio]

I like it but the fal suspects feel like theyre smokin crack

[last bolt]

Because it's sounds all the sounds the radio I hate it

[merry epoch]

I hate it because it takes the fun conspiracy stuff mainstream and is incoherent with the rest of the game

[slim verge]

I hate jamming bomb and go up to main guy under 3 mins part

Other than that its good mission

[last bolt]

I died and quit the mission and I ended up in a prison cell

Now I have a handcuff as a watch

[blazing raft]

Is anyone having problems with Epic connection?

Cause its been more than a day and it still hasn't connected, yesterday it was working tho

[glass torrent]

what hpapens if you activate the fire alarm in a new america? does it do something

[pure veldt]

So I have made the decision to reattempt S rank on all maps on hard since it was so easy to do it on standard

[somber vigil]

I think I’ve had to reset ‘a new America’ because of my ai team dying, more times than I’ve died in this game. When will they fix the fucking ai

[slim verge]

Suspects aim become accurate for moe than 500%

Their footstep noises become silent for 100%

Player's aiming accuracy drop to 50%

[pure veldt]

Checks out

[strange nacelle]

What hotkey is the canted sight? like in the hot boiler trailer. i got the sight but idk how to switch

[violet cosmos]

Hi, I keep seeing videos on ROD where people are equipped with heavy machine guns. Is this a mod or an unlockable weapon?

[floral peak]

Yo i can actually do Programmed Psychosis, i just got half of all suspects

Nope, died at 14/24 suspects

[rose drift]

I’ve got a question, I have a feeling that there’s an Easter egg or something on the pier mission I know there’s one for the bank and one for the last mission and I’ve done both of those I just can’t find anything on the pier other than turning off the tea cup ride I just figured it out have y’all found anything?

[floral peak]

Probably

you really have to be sneaky, precise and think 2 steps ahead

[bold shore]

the mission "A New America" there are key cards any idea what they're for, been searching for things but not sure if we've already used them, any idea?

[twin basin]

when dlc 50% off

on steam or som key site

[floral peak]

Some PC require them to unlock electric doors

[tribal basalt]

The ai are useless for the last mission, they keep killing the bomb guy

[bold shore]

ah right okay we've used them then

[rose drift]

Yes it’s for the electric doors but if you cut the power they won’t work

[floral peak]

They will be unlocked*

[cedar mulch]

You should simply count Los Locos and the Russian Mafia as part of the Spider organisation, as they are clearly all in it together.

[floral peak]

I just headshot the suspect infront of closed door, checked with want and it turned out i killed another one behind the door too

lmfao

[violet cosmos]

Someone can respond me ?

[cedar mulch]

Glukhovskoye Mafia, Bolton Security, Mindjot and Los Locos are all part of the Spider Organisation.

[merry epoch]

Again, mindjot is just broke

[undone bane]

Mod

[merry epoch]

They go over this in the raid briefing

Same kinda applies to Bolton

It’s just a paycheck to them

[floral peak]

didnt know the name of mafia

[merry epoch]

Also I don’t know what it is about them but los locos don’t feel like they’re in on it

But yeah the mafia is 1000% a main member

[cedar mulch]

The car dealership is also dominated by Los Locos. There is far less Russian speech than there used to be.

[merry epoch]

Los locos has a cryptid to fight I wanna leave them to it

[violet cosmos]

thx

[merry epoch]

Just cuz they speak Spanish dosent mean they’re los locos

Cuz los locos yells about how they’re los locos every 5 seconds

[azure pelican]

How do you go high ready

[undone bane]

In settings

[cedar mulch]

Then you clearly haven’t seen their evidence and character models

[pine pollen]

Space?

[merry epoch]

Which pieces where?

[undone bane]

Do people seriously not look in settings anymore?

[azure pelican]

That is low, ready

[glass saffron]

It’s a setting

[pine pollen]

In gameplay I think, in the settings

You can choose

[cedar mulch]

You can take a closer look at their tattoos

[merry epoch]

Isn’t that one of the tattoos you get from S ranking a level?

[whole crag]

Gng the main entrance at the bank mission is hella imposible

[merry epoch]

That skull looks like one of them

[floral peak]

that one guy on Buy Cheap Buy Twice with tons of tattoos

[hollow girder]

I don't have the game rn since I switched to PlayStation, is there still AI art or did it get replaced?

[cedar mulch]

This is the suspect’s

[floral peak]

walking pick a struggle

[merry epoch]

Ik it just looks similar

[whole crag]

What entry did you guys pick at the bank mission?

[merry epoch]

Anyways they could also be selling to los locos

Not that los locos is running the dealership

Also it’s not out of the question that former locos would work for the Russian mob

[cedar mulch]

Because the car shop’s ‘Los Locos’ work with the Russian mafia, they don’t refer to them directly as ‘Los Locos’, but their tattoos and models give them away

[merry epoch]

Yeah

That dosen’t mean los locos is involved in the overseas side of things

[cedar mulch]

They are indeed connected. Evidence from the car dealership suggests that the manager has links to the coyote.

[merry epoch]

That is plausible

And yeah they’re connected

But again connection dosent mean they’re in on it to the same extent as the Russians

They could be

But there’s not a ton of evidence pointing to that level of involvement right now

We know they do drug runs, gun runs, and illegal immigrant runs, nothing pointing towards human trafficking besides basic connection to the dealership

[cedar mulch]

They’re Los Locos; I don’t see how there’s any excuse for that. The art book’s backstory explains that the Russian mafia collaborates with Los Locos in exchange for black-market arms smuggling, and some of the car dealership’s models are identical to those at the post office.

[merry epoch]

None of that indicates them in transporting kidnapping victims across oceans

Well maybe the art book I don’t have it

Also the devs reuse assets

[frigid pewter]

is there any setting to make it so that my ai won't auto collect evidence? im having an issue where they will run out of the positions ive placed them (in cover) to try and get guns. many times this has exposed my position and/or gotten my whole squad killed

[merry epoch]

You can find the same cupboards all over the place, that dosen’t mean ikea is in with the CIA

[cedar mulch]

This is not a contradiction, because Los Locos need the Russian Mafia and the Spider Organisation to transport drugs and arms; human trafficking is a requirement imposed by the Spider Organisation, not something that Los Locos or the Russian Mafia initiated themselves.

[merry epoch]

Seemingly the Russians just transport whatever makes money wherever

[latent crescent]

the new dlc is too easy

[fathom laurel]

genuinely what the fuck im playing greased palms and one of my swat AI just completely stopped listening to me and went into the loading bay area solo, cleared it all, and walked back. Swan needs a raise dude I check his helmet cam and he's just gone

[merry epoch]

Los locos definitely works with the Russian mafia, but from the evidence available, primarily in a customer context, not in a large scale collaboration context

[cedar mulch]

The car dealership is now the main suspect, with Los Locos being the primary suspects; Russian involvement has become minimal, so the focus of the human trafficking operation has shifted to the port, with the Mexicans at the car dealership merely responsible for transporting them there.

[final ember]

okay how the hell arew we supposed to deal with suspects on new america on hard?

they literally kill you insantly

suspect AI has been joked about a lot but this time it's literally cracked as fuck

[vague sand]

It’s doable with the right team, but it’s extremely hard, I’ve done it

[merry epoch]

It has been a minute since I’ve played Caesar’s

[final ember]

there's seemingly no chance to outgun or outdraw them. you have to pray that they are in a confined space so you can use less lethals like flash, stinger etc.

[cedar mulch]

Los Locos are primarily responsible for transporting people to the port; whilst they do not themselves engage in human trafficking, they are still part of the Spider Organisation

[merry epoch]

The dealership seems to be a distribution hub for various illegal substances

[merry epoch]

But not enough to be 1 of the 8

[vague sand]

Agreed, we got lucky on like our 12th try

I was not saying you were incorrect, just saying it wasn’t impossible

[merry epoch]

Cuz they just work for the Russians

[final ember]

what an awfully limited way to deal with threats. guns pretty much are useless in this one.

[vague sand]

AP on the G36C dispatches them quickly, but still take half a mag, it’s unacceptable

[cedar mulch]

Because the car dealership has become a hub for arms and drugs. It is run by Los Locos, and most of the staff have already been sent to the port.

[final ember]

lucky that you even manage to take aim at them lol. they literally just pop me and my AI teammates at lightning speed

[merry epoch]

Los locos also has a rep at the port

[cedar mulch]

yes

[merry epoch]

Also the dealership is a sub station of the port cuz it attracts less attention

[vague sand]

Can we talk about how consoles that didn’t buy the passes or pre-order just don’t have the MK-5 or Rotary flash launcher?

[merry epoch]

All this to say that los locos is a more local organization rather than a intercontinental one

[waxen grove]

Will void actually improve suspect ai or is that a done deal. What we see is what we get?

[vague sand]

I believe they are working on it but I don’t think it’ll improve for awhile

[latent crescent]

shoot them

[broken gull]

how do intercept the signal on a new america

[vague sand]

That’s the thing, we do :3

[latent crescent]

they arent even that cracked and them trying to push you makes it even easier

[final ember]

funny. reason I asked is because whatever crack the AI was on before, on this mission specifically they took like 10x the dosage

[vague sand]

I don’t know what you’re smoking but can I have some?

[final ember]

lmao exactly

[lapis remnant]

I just got arrested ingame lol

[somber vigil]

I love when my favorite game releases new maps that are impossible to S rank without good rng❤️

[waxen grove]

Can I have some too. Maybe the game can be good for a chance and I don’t have the be a cynical bag attempting to be a squeaky wheel so void FINALLY fixes the suspect ai

[final ember]

Standard difficulty it is. only time I will even attempt Hard on this again is with an online team

[latent crescent]

basic cqb
peek door, pie, open, enter

[waxen grove]

Your forgetting a death in between open and enter

[undone bane]

Till 3 dudes rush you bc they heard you

[vague sand]

Then get shot through the door or have them push through it as you’re getting ready to open it

[latent crescent]

do that with every single room
always have two people covering any open corridoors

[latent crescent]

why are u in front of the door to begin with?

[undone bane]

This guys playing on casual for sure

[final ember]

''cover'' more like human shield

[latent crescent]

they literally shout "STACKING" come on

[final ember]

they have superhuman accuracy and relfexes

[waxen grove]

“Your in my spot”

[vague sand]

Literally did this, with a full Tacsim team, and we were getting skull fucked

[latent crescent]

ai moment

[fallow cypress]

CQB fundamentals cannot be that complicated

[vague sand]

Moving

[latent crescent]

i literally did it rn with randoms

[latent crescent]

literally its the fact that the ai now have a brain to flank and push you

[waxen grove]

You asked why one would be in front of the door and it would literally boil down to ai moment

[fallow cypress]

Even in standard?????

[waxen grove]

Oh brains? That’s fine if they were not so cracked

[latent crescent]

yeah

[latent crescent]

they're cracked long range, keep space minimal and u'll win most gunfights

[undone bane]

Till 3 dudes rush you with 7.62

[latent crescent]

i would do it with u but i just hopped off the game, its much easier in multiplayer

swat ai is pure luck though

[vague sand]

Again, can I have some of what you are smoking? I’ve tried every caliber in this game and it all boils down to “we take half to a full mag to fucking drop dead”

[final ember]

the difference in difficulty between Standard and Hard on A New America is actually insane

[latent crescent]

are u playing on hard mode?

[final ember]

took on like 3 guys at once

[vague sand]

YES!

That’s what this whole convo was about!

[waxen grove]

You can see the suspect for 6 whole frames before they snap and fire
#🎬ron-clips-and-media message
how do you deal with this huh

[latent crescent]

oh my bad they are cracked as fuck on hard

[final ember]

@latent crescent bruh I assumed you were playing Hard

[final ember]

lmaooo

[vague sand]

Omfg…

[latent crescent]

i tried hard yesterday its still possible

[vague sand]

I was about to rip you a new one dawg

[latent crescent]

u just need to spam 7.62

[final ember]

😭

[vague sand]

Yes, but only with luck

[vague sand]

Even then they John wick your asses

[waxen grove]

This was also normal mode

[final ember]

a single burst of fire a split second after they see you while running sideways and you're done

[latent crescent]

the team i had yesterday managed to make it to the end of second floor before finally succumbing to the damages
mainly luck and playing painfully slow

[latent crescent]

bullshit the ai are shit on standad

[final ember]

the difference is insane on a new america

[vague sand]

Of four floors…

[waxen grove]

Only bullshit here is the ai. That is a 6 frame window on standard and the ai doing the snapping thing that got “patched” about 2 years ago

[gilded spear]

For me personally, the worst thing is not just the AI, but that shitty vignette they put on your screen, which makes everything further away than 10 meters a blurry mess, which means I just cant see the AI, when they only expose a head through something

[waxen grove]

The ai might not have a brain on standard but just because they are “easy” doesn’t mean they are not cracked

[spice pendant]

hey chat im at the all gods burn map i got one light thats flashing green but i cant unlock the safe
lowk help

[latent crescent]

first floor theres no ai, second floor is fairly easy to clear as long as u take the right routes, third and fourth floor is complete bs

[vague sand]

There has been some that spawned in the security room for me and other guys…

[waxen grove]

Anyway of turning that off

[gilded spear]

The problem with the AI is, that it isnt hard because they are smart, but because they have inhuman capabilities and movements options you do not get

[latent crescent]

never once either on standard or hard for me, weird

[gilded spear]

Dont think so....

[latent crescent]

good luck doing that solo though LMAO

[vale sparrow]

what are the two cosmetics and tattoos you unlock for the boiling point missions that is said in the description?

[gilded spear]

I think it is the same shader they added to make the game less colorful?

[waxen grove]

Yep, super human hearing, super human eye sight, perfect aim. Oh and the buggers snap. It’s not that the ai is hard, it’s that they are unfair. Never do you die in this game feeling like it was your fault, you die in this game yelling at it to fuck off as some ai insta gibbed you through a fucking wall

[past stratus]

how do i equip the carry handle varients

[gilded spear]

It also makes the lights bloom up extremely bad (just look at them in the police station)

[gilded spear]

I do not want to be disrespectful, but I get this feeling, that the person coding the AI has never before coded more complex AI. The AI seems like it would use something like a completely overloaded State-Machine, which in my opinion just doesnt do the trick (A State-Machine Architecture) for an AI as deep as they want it to be.

[waxen grove]

I walked into a room in swat 4 today and died. I saw the suspect before I died and knew I fucked up by not throwing gas.
In RoN I die just for simply existing

[undone bane]

Its in weapon sights

[frigid pewter]

again is there any way at all to turn off my ai auto collecting evidence? my new america run was just ended because a squadmate ran out to get a gun on a dead guy, which an enemy spotted which alerted all of them. we were promptly slaughtered through a window since he was elevated on the stairs

[waxen grove]

That just went over my head. I’m just going to say that it seems like the ai is just a bunch of predetermined decision trees.

[undone bane]

No

[waxen grove]

Oh and there’s no variation in ai. It’s the same every single time

[gilded spear]

more likely a State-Machine, as they seem more "loopy", but yeah

[blissful prawn]

could anyone double check for me but I have issues where partial reloads on the G18C will, for some reason, keep me on the current half-spent mag

[waxen grove]

Swat 4 had a cool system that randomised the ai level on a min max per level per suspect

In Ron all suspects must act the same

In swat 4 you can have 1 suspect act different and be more aggressive then another

[latent crescent]

i need to do the missions s rank now

or hard mode, which one first hmmmm

[gilded spear]

The game would need a hierarchical AI for more complex enemies like mercenaries and so on

[waxen grove]

The ai need to be rebuilt from the ground up

And I wouldn’t mind a whole year of no new dlc if it ment the ai was finally fixed.

Just don’t leave us in the dark for the whole year

Give us or the supporters the ability to play test and review the changes

[undone bane]

Like they already did?

They basically went dark for a year already

[gilded spear]

DLC and AI should be two completely different departments and if the AI is good, it should be fully dynamic, meaning it works on every map wouthout a lot of adjustments

As the DLCs are Maps, Cosmetics and Weapons

[latent crescent]

agreed, only time it makes sense where the ai are the same is with the MLO

[waxen grove]

Yeah they need to stop baking ai changes into maps

[latent crescent]

and ides of march

[waxen grove]

MLO probably shouldn’t have frame perfect reaction times because it’s still a game and it’s not fun to get killed by something you didn’t see

[latent crescent]

literally one in a million but okay

[gilded spear]

I think you got me wrong, hierarchical AI means, that you have "An AI controlling the AI", think about it like a commander, giving commands to the soldiers

This would enable "stronger opponents" (like MLO) to coordinate (better) and make them more deadly

without just jacking up their stats

Just recently I was blown away by the Umbrella Elite Guard AI in Resident Evil Requiem. They need the MLO AI to be like them

[undone bane]

LOL right right. Tell that to the 3 hour game sesh last night where we kept getting domed and lit up by shit we couldnt see all the way across map. Not to mention them doing a complete 360 and just drilling you

The ai reaction times are stupid

[frigid pewter]

Literally how

This has happened to me on quite literally every single new america run

My friendly ai being uncooperative and this exact behavior makes me not want to play at all

[undone bane]

That dudes a troll im sure of it atp

Bro plays on casual an says "ez"

[floral peak]

when MLO stacking on door to breach but you already aiming at their heads

[gilded spear]

As I said, I think their first fix should be that vignette effect, so we can actually see enemies again

[vast nest]

Still no luck on my side, sorry 😔

[gilded spear]

I think the AI wouldnt feel as bad if you could atleast SEE them

[undone bane]

Yeah idk why they thought mandatory vignette was a good idea

[frigid pewter]

Idk my biggest problem is honestly the friendly ai. I could tolerate the enemy ai shooting through walls if my own teammates would do so in turn

Ive asked my friend and theyve had no issues but since i first got the game i have always had problems with them

Its either they wont shoot or wont listen to what you command them with no inbetween

[undone bane]

Thats actual crap

Respectfully

[past lily]

crackhead special forces

[undone bane]

Not to mention laser and flashlights go through walls and doors so they can spot us way before hand

[gilded spear]

tbh. I would wager, that they do not have a lot of programmers and the team is mostly comprised of artists

[undone bane]

Its like the helldivers devs, they dont play their own game

[velvet urchin]

doing a non lethal mission on ends of the earth

[undone bane]

So they have absolutely no clue what tf is going on half the time

[stone ice]

so i suppose the john wick suspect ai will never ever be fixed in this game?

[past lily]

can you gas the ai back

[stone ice]

just had a guy on the last mission of the new dlc pull a 180 no scope headshot after being flashbanged 9 times in a row

[past lily]

like use the nerve gas against them by shooting their canisters at them

cause one time during city hall a gas canister was shot and i saw 2 MLO start running away

[gilded spear]

John Wick would atleast be cool, as it would be "smart", this is just T-800 AI tanking copius amounts of bullets and reacting inhumanly fast

and not experiencing any bullet impact

[stone ice]

cia did a really bad job at creating a super human and then implanting it into the police force

[spring hearth]

Hello, can someone give me a transcript of a secret vault dialogue?

I do not understand what the voice is saying

It's absolute bullshit of how unintelligible it is

[undone bane]

Easy now, another pleb might get doxxed for donating to charity

Genuinely baffling behavior tbh

[worn stirrup]

Does the deluxe edition come with boiling point?

[gilded spear]

I think with the RoN community it would not be as bad, is this community does not seem to have a group of people making it their identity that they are good at playing a PvE game

*only good at playing this ONE PvE game

[tacit gull]

no grenade launcher

[stone ice]

Genuinely

Give us a proper grenade launcher

With he shells

[past lily]

give us agrenade

national guard stockpile for the LSPD

[vale sparrow]

am I able to detain all suspects including ones upstairs first then activate the bomb thing?

[stone ice]

Also why are there never any snipers on rooftops of other buildings providing info

[uneven sleet]

you clearly havent been here that long then theres a group of people that act all high and mighty around here lmao

[gilded spear]

oh ok, my bad XD

[uneven sleet]

nah youre all good i dont get why they take a pve game so seriously lmao

[stone ice]

I first kill everyone before going into the court room and then activate the thing on the second floor and then head for court room

[gilded spear]

being good at something intended to be "beatable" is...... well

[past lily]

can the canisters that spew gas affect enemies

[gilded spear]

*being VERY proud of it

[stone ice]

Yes

[gilded spear]

if they do not wear a gas mask

[grand patrol]

Man, they really need to fucking double down and fix this graphics downgrade bullshit. You know I thought it would have been fixed after 7 months, but I’m still right here looking at it in front of my own eyes. What more do I need to do to get them to actually do something about it instead of ignoring it?

[past lily]

do the MLO guys not ewar gas masks

[midnight forum]

Anyone else noticed while trying to join off someone's linked steam profile it won't allow you to join them in game?

[gilded spear]

they do

or at least some of them

[stone ice]

I even had a couple of them trip their own gas canisters

[past lily]

is ther epictures of the guys that do wear them

[uneven sleet]

the save wipe glitch from 3 years ago is still here. do you expect the devs to do anything other than rake in money?

[past lily]

cause ive seen like 2 MLO get affected by a shot gas canister

[vale sparrow]

i usually do it that way but I’m S ranking so I’m not sure

[royal pier]

How do you deactivate it? I keep arresting the VIP suspect but that doesnt work

[gilded spear]

dont have one at hand, but they are the ones in black attire

[stone ice]

You have to use multitool on his chest from I understand

[royal pier]

Ah thank you

[stone ice]

I only got this far once

[past lily]

detain him then multitool his chest