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[bitter iron]

if you ever shoot me when I'm trying to just defuse the situation

You will get extra pepper spray

no pepperballs or anything, I'm gonna throw CS Gas at a closed room

and spray you with pepper spray till you learn your lesson

[prisma goblet]

Always when that thing works since they nerf it like hell

[bitter iron]

I only use cs gas for punishment

Most of the time my CQB and Entry Methods came from Rainbow Six Vegas

[prisma goblet]

Mine are more of a Ghost recon breakpoint

[bitter iron]

But yea my entry methods came from an Xbox 360 Games

And this one obscure lightgun game

Doesn't get me S Ranks but it serves me well enough as a commander

[hollow jolt]

i didnt even know they actually spawned in dudes who come in and extract people from the crime scene

playing ends of the earth for an S rank and im trying to find that soft objective these two random guys are just strolling out of the house with meemaw cancer patient

[prisma goblet]

It's in the Attic

[hollow jolt]

goddamit

[prisma goblet]

You have to find and report hidden evidence of the family's illegal arms dealing, primarily a Bag of Money (cash) in a bedroom and potentially discarded illegal firearms/weapons

[hollow jolt]

ahhh. never been too good at the secret evidence.

like i only JUST learned about the pictures next to streamer guys bed

missed those every single time i ran through that level.

[prisma goblet]

New blood in the game🥹

[hollow jolt]

[hybrid wren]

Whole mission looks kinda sloppy tbh

[weak anvil]

Why i cant connect to epic server

[mystic palm]

Which missions is better using jhp and ap ammo?

[surreal pelican]

AP is only needed for Elephant, Leviathan and Sins Of The Father

Coz majority if not all has L4 armour in those missions

[mystic palm]

And for hide and seek?

[surreal pelican]

JHP

[rocky plover]

Depends on the caliber though

[mystic palm]

Im using sa58

[rocky plover]

Then yea as the other guy said

[mystic palm]

Only works well for 7.62 and .300 blk?

[hybrid wren]

JHP AR-15 just sounds wrong

[rocky plover]

Yes

[hybrid wren]

Also

Pretty weird how stress system apparently is only for PTSD from killing

[surreal pelican]

Adding to this, yes coz both ammo types with JHP can already pen level 3 armour which is the most enemies will be armoured in

[hybrid wren]

Seriously?

Epstein word is prohibited

[surreal pelican]

Play in Quick Play if you don't want to take them in alive and deal with stress

[hybrid wren]

Anyway, what's weird, is that apparently AI operatives don't care about being in constant danger with less lethal and getting wounded

Just beacuse they don't get to kill they are happy

Which is double weird beacuse people in these missions man

It's hard sometimes to not use eccesive force

Much harder than in SWAT4

[surreal pelican]

Pretty much if going by lore, you're supposed to take in suspects alive as much as possible

But in Quick Play, you don't gotta deal with the stress mechanic

[torpid onyx]

i mean most law enforcement or civillian concealed carry is gonna be JHP/HP

[hybrid wren]

I know, but why does stress system that has to simulate trauma and such focuses only on killing

[torpid onyx]

black tip AP is largely just like a military thing

[hybrid wren]

Or dispropotionately so

Like, you're a cop in SWAT unit, it's a part of your job to sometimes shoot bad guys to save lives if neccecary, and in game they are all pretty trigger happy

[rocky plover]

True or standard FMJ at the least surely not AP

[hybrid wren]

But if you kill a bunch of Diddy like people at the end they would be like "Man, i need some therapy"

[rocky plover]

Yea it's annoying but gameplay "balance" lol

[surreal pelican]

Realism I guess

[rocky plover]

It also gets effected if you die or lose teammates though not just killing

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[hybrid wren]

I think they could achieve this by using harsher grading system

If they want people to use less lethal

[rocky plover]

Like the RoE though?

[hybrid wren]

Better than in SWAT4 i suppose

You're less likely to get "Unauthorized use of force" when you have a guy with a gun right in front of you

Or running at you

[rocky plover]

Yeah I guess

[cedar mulch]

I'm rather curious as to why there's such a long interval between the two map in UPF.

The first map depicts the year 2026, yet the second map jumps ahead to over a year later.

[blissful citrus]

Guys does anyone know if they plan on adding any more non-DLC missions

[cedar mulch]

That's LSS.

[blissful citrus]

Do you know if they plan on adding any more other than the current 2?

[prime spear]

If I say no, Void will silence. If I say yes, Void will silence me.

[covert aurora]

I am sure their cooking something up, cause they never said they weren't done adding to the game.

[cedar mulch]

This game is now virtually indistinguishable from Insurgency: Sandstorm.

[prime spear]

you can play as a bunny girl.

[covert aurora]

never played Insurgency so /shrug

[wind gyro]

how dare you

[torpid onyx]

insurgency was goated because you could 50 cal people and call in a10 warthogs to go brrrt

[covert aurora]

how dare i.....

[wind gyro]

i have like 30 hours on it

and shoot myself with an rpg once by accident because the bullets actually dont follow sights

[covert aurora]

🤣

[wind gyro]

the voip is cool and all but on eu its dead quiet

the only servers you should play in insurgency is us

[covert aurora]

if i am gonna play a military simulator ill just play Arma 3

[wind gyro]

thats true

[lost inlet]

hide and seek doesn't have any armors.

any jhp is fine.

[cedar mulch]

It must be said that the Russian mafia's equipment is rather poor.

[lost inlet]

mod, ron screenshot is being invaded by bots.

[lost inlet]

@coarse osprey

[prime spear]

So the moderation team is slacking.

[lost inlet]

THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN.

[rocky plover]

Lmao 2 more

😂😂😂😂

[prime spear]

@marsh lark you're mod for a reason.

moderate this server

[marsh lark]

🤷‍♂️

[prime spear]

Good.

[marsh lark]

I can't sit here right now

[prime spear]

Why is EagleBreak13 getting smited for every message

[rocky plover]

More.....

[prime spear]

@coarse osprey You seem useful.

[marsh lark]

Please stop pinging mods for no reason

[prime spear]

the reason is @bots in screenshots-and-art sponsoring random ass gambling crypto shit

[coarse osprey]

yo where

[lost inlet]

happened just now.

[rocky plover]

you're always late to the party lmao

[lost inlet]

you missed it.

[rocky plover]

infarlock 🤣

[coarse osprey]

[rocky plover]

hahahah

[marsh lark]

We are well aware and are sorting it out

[prime spear]

Greatest mod of 2026?

[cedar mulch]

Has anyone purchased the VOID art book? Does it contain supplementary material regarding the storyline?

[prime spear]

to buy the book, you gotta spend 20 bucks for the PERMISSION to buy it

then, you buy the book.

[lost inlet]

@hazy token anytime but wrong channel to ping.

[hazy token]

lol i wanted it to be a memorial in there

the quelling of the botpocalypse

[lost inlet]

it's just me being a responsible person.

[spring hearth]

Guys I’m new to this game and honestly don’t know any tactics or tips

[prime spear]

Refund it.

And sue Void Interactive.

[marsh lark]

Take things slow, if you're on PC you can easily abuse free lean (alt) and move with wasd to qatch over corners or hide behind short objects

[spring hearth]

Nah I don’t think so

[spring hearth]

If only I could do it on ps5

[mystic palm]

Do i need C on hide and seek in ironman to get the world and hermit?

[rocky plover]

Yea

[shy steppe]

for Valley of the Dolls, does Mrs.Voll now automatically get restrained before you make entry?

[rocky plover]

It can happen depending on where she spawns

[shy steppe]

restarted twice yesterday and both times she was sitting restrained in the storage room inside the second floor bathroom, left of the TV, before the team and I (co-op) approached the entrance

usually I remember having to yell for compliance

[rocky plover]

Yeah I think when they introduced weapons to become auto secured when they bug out of the map, it applied for civilians as well

And on that map if she spawns in that closet she becomes auto secured because you can't open the door normally because it hits her, unless you kick the door

[dapper zinc]

do i need s rank on all dlc missions as well to get medal of valor achievement? i have s rank on all base game missions and los suenos stories missions all standard or higher but i didn't get the medal of valor achievement

do i need to get s rank on dark waters and home invasion as well?

[rocky plover]

No those have separate achievements for them (dlc missions dlc achievements basically)

Medal of Valor is only for the base game missions not dlc

[dapper zinc]

damn i don't have any mods or anything but i didn't get the achievement

and i got s rank on every mission on standard mode

elephant took me way too long

[rocky plover]

Other people have been mentioning this problem as well idk if it's bugged

[dapper zinc]

damn guess i'll just have to wait for a patch then

hopefully it gets fixed sometime in the near future

[rocky plover]

What's your progress towards the achievement?

[dapper zinc]

wdym

[rocky plover]

As in what it says x/18

In the achievements progress

[dapper zinc]

its saying i have 93% progress for customization but i got the dress to impress achievement so idk how i didn't get medal of valor

let me check

[rocky plover]

Try to check what cosmetics are still locked then? To rule out what map did not count towards getting S

[dapper zinc]

i got the dress to impress achievement so i've unlocked every customization item idk why it says 93% only

even got the diamond watch from ironman mode

idk how to screenshot on epic games that's what i have it on

[rocky plover]

Ye but did you make sure all cosmetics are unlocked?

[dapper zinc]

yup

triple checked

[rocky plover]

I would check the tattoo section and see if all tattoos unlocked

Hmmm thats weird

[dapper zinc]

ik it's a bit annoying

[rocky plover]

Sadly I think gotta trial and error then and redo S runs on maps that you think did not count towards the medal of Valor achievement

On what progress number is it stuck on?

16/18? Or what

[dapper zinc]

it doesn't show me just shows the achievement as locked

i'm trying to check

[rocky plover]

Oh

[dapper zinc]

how do i see in game

[rocky plover]

Oh not in game

Steam achievements has it for sure, idk about epic though

[dapper zinc]

sent my stats in screenshots

[rocky plover]

Yea saw it, that stat page is bugged as hell

Does epic have like steam? Where you can see achievements progress?

[dapper zinc]

yeah let me screenshot that for you

[rocky plover]

Well I won't know exactly what map didn't count anyways but maybe it can help you to try S ranking some maps again and see if it progresses further

Or if it's just stuck

[dapper zinc]

it's making me wait 16 fkn minutes just to resend screenshots?

slow mode is dumb as fuck

[rocky plover]

It's fine I don't need the screenshot, what progress number is it saying?

Like 16/18 or what

[rocky plover]

I know it's to prevent spamming though

[unkempt tartan]

yo does anyone want to play multiplayer i havent played this game in forever so dont expect to much

[dapper zinc]

doesn't say anything it just shows locked

i sent it in the other screenshot area

epic games makes no sense with their achievements sometimes it's annoying

[rocky plover]

Yea saw it, where's medal of honour though

Ah I see, ye it might be bugged then idk

[tacit gull]

why did you get it on epic in the first place

[dapper zinc]

their sale

was going on at the time and didn't feel like paying steam's price

[tacit gull]

i guess you got what you paid for

[rocky plover]

Steam has sales as well

But I guess not as frequent as epic but idk I never liked epic to begin with

[dapper zinc]

i paid for the game, not bullshit glitches when i earned the achievement buddy

[rocky plover]

Yea I know it's annoying

[dapper zinc]

yeah hopefully epic does a bug patch soon

[wind gyro]

why would epic release a bug fix for a game they dont own

[old pivot]

It’s kind of crazy how barebones and weak Commander Mode is. Like, barely 10 names and maybe 5 faces, and it’s not like guys level up either

[old pivot]

The thing that keeps me playing it, besides the fact that it’s the campaign, is how they actually did add a LOT of voice lines, despite the fact they belong to a very small pool of names and faces

[rocky plover]

Ye basically same as quick play with the addition of stress system and officer traits

[thin veldt]

Anyone know why Im stuttering whenever I get shot at?😭

I stopped playing for a few months and i come back to a game that crashes and stutters 24/7

[bronze talon]

status update creating the sun instead of gassing the entire place worked throughout all levels

[old pivot]

A completely meaningless stress system too, I could not give a shit for the lives of these assembly line pigs and that doesn’t even feel deliberate

[celest token]

where can i find my crash reports?

[rocky plover]

Ye personally I prefer quick play or multiplayer for solo and multiplayer in general, only played commander mode for the achievements and never touched it again

[brazen onyx]

just learnt the lore of valley of the dolls and what the fuck

[rocky plover]

Best meta since gas got nerfed to the ground

The only problem you might face when solo is running out of 40mm ammo lol

[old pivot]

Eh, I keep it around for the different lines, last names, and general vibe. Too bad it’s so blatantly unfinished though

[rocky plover]

Yea understandable although I mostly play solo without AI or multiplayer

But I'd still prefer quick play over commander mode

[vivid widget]

i think for hard mode you just play with friends if possible

playing with swat ai is miserable

[rocky plover]

Yeah feels like you have to babysit them a lot which makes you lose focus on the suspects, so I prefer to just go in solo without AI, multiplayer with good teamwork would be far ideal and easier though

[vivid widget]

struggling on sinuous trail right now

[jolly verge]

Feel free to be more specific and post your PC specs in tech channel

[rustic wigeon]

Hey so I am a new player and just learnt about crouch peaking so you don't get instantly beamed. Are there any tips that anyone knows to get it consistent? Thank you

[keen tartan]

What's crouch peaking?

[rustic wigeon]

Crouch in front of a wall and free lean around the corner and the ai seem to have lower perception. I've seen a YouTuber who solo runs do it

[keen tartan]

Ok

[rocky plover]

Practice and practice and lean incrementally little by little, not fully leaning instantly

[vivid widget]

what's the difference between steel and ceramic actually? and is steel just better all around even on lower difficulties or is ceramic used instead

[rustic wigeon]

Okay, thank you.

[rocky plover]

Steel has 86.5% damage reduction and never breaks
Ceramic has 100% damage reduction but once it breaks it goes down to 40%

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[rustic wigeon]

Loving this game despite the flaws, still have the new player glow

[vivid widget]

aren’t you usually dead by the time you get shot up a whole lot?

[rocky plover]

Sometimes yeah, but sometimes you live a lot longer with steel especially with less damage guns

It depends where you get hit as well such as limbs or armor but on the most part steel is better still

[rustic wigeon]

I've noticed steel allows you to stop bleeding alot more

I've been running heavy w steel front and it's more than enough

[jolly verge]

It you lucky with bleeding then you will survive more shots

[rocky plover]

If using just front only, just take light then same thing with 2 extra slots

Heavy just gives you the option for sides, that's it

If your not making use of sides it's a waste

[rustic wigeon]

Ahh okay, that makes sense. I started with full but gradually went down, I'll run with light from now on.

Gotta have good positioning to run front only, that's for sure lmao

[rustic wigeon]

Man armorer is clutch

I've just been playing quick play tbh

[rocky plover]

Yea with good situational awareness front only is good

[rocky plover]

Same I hate commander mode

[rustic wigeon]

Not being able to restart is actually crazy

Dashboarding every time would drive me crazy going for S ranks, even though the traits look useful.

[jolly verge]

It's 120° degrees, so just look at the suspect and they never gonna hit your side

[rocky plover]

Yea true

[rustic wigeon]

Nice, appreciate the info. It's super helpful.

I'm up to carriers of the vine, I've heard this one can be quite annoying to S.

[rocky plover]

It is one of the harder ones but still not super hard

[rustic wigeon]

Okay cool, ones that gave me the most trouble were Greased Palms (ofc), sins of the father and Neon Tomb.

And ofc I got the hostage glitch on Tomb so I had to lock in and redo that one straight after 😭

Buy cheap, buy twice was more annoying than hard

[rocky plover]

Neon tomb and relapse for me due to the fact that suspects on that map like to kill themselves a lot and ruins S ranks

[placid surge]

Relapse is by far the worst 😭

[rocky plover]

3 letter triad was the hardest though

[vivid widget]

that one has a cooler looking watch that you can get honestly

fallen officer's watch is cooler than the dev's ruined watch fr

[rustic wigeon]

I'm really not looking forward to Relapse lmao

[rustic wigeon]

I'll have to check it out

[vivid widget]

relapse isn't too hard it just feels stressful because it's so huge lol

it felt the most intimidating by far in my ironman run

[rustic wigeon]

I've seen how many rooms and stuff there are. Looks insane

I feel like the outside sections of maps are the absolute most challenging for me

[vivid widget]

i have yet to touch any of the dlcs though, even though i have them all

[rocky plover]

Most of the rooms are empty then you encounter around 6 guys near bomb area lol

And another 6 near other bomb

[rustic wigeon]

Awesomeeee lmao

I don't have the primary launcher to cheese either so I have to do it the old school way

Beanbag shotty is my best friend the past few weeks lol

[rocky plover]

Far better than pepperball guns

if you hit yours shots

[rustic wigeon]

Oh trust me, I went down that route when I was but a boy to this game

I was running gas and vk and then wondering why I couldn't do anything

[rocky plover]

Yeah ever since the gas nerf, they became trash

Only usable on casual imo,

Standard and hard, beanbag or ofc m32a1 launcher

[rustic wigeon]

Man, kicking myself I got the standard edition and didn't get the sun spawner lmao

Feels good not cheesing too hard tho

[rocky plover]

Plus even ammo economy wise I find the beanbag more economic than pepper guns

[rocky plover]

You'll get it for free with next update

God knows when though

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah lmao I read that, guess I'll have it for the dlcs and stuff hopefully

[rocky plover]

Yeah

[rustic wigeon]

3 letter triad sounds insane

Is there really 50 suspects

[rocky plover]

3 letter triad on hard made me almost pull my hair out for S lol

28 max

[rustic wigeon]

Ahh okay, I must have saw modded

[rocky plover]

Varies 24-28 I think

Slightly more than Port hokan

[rustic wigeon]

And you did that solo on hard? You're a monster lmao

I'm struggling to get S on Standard

[rocky plover]

Yeah lost count of amount of days and restarts lol

Plus I couldn't use m32a1 launcher cos not enough ammo for it for all those suspects

[rustic wigeon]

Haha if you ran stab vest maybe

[rocky plover]

You'll get there

Meh doubt an extra 2 shots would have saved me

I even took the m320 tactical launcher for 4 more shots and still wasn't enough

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah I have under 30 hours, honestly proud that I've done so many missions with an S. I am using squad mates but I don't really know if they are that much of a help tbh

[rustic wigeon]

Jesus, yeah that one will be a painnn

[rocky plover]

That's very good for 30 hours actually

Swat AI are nice to collect evidence but I hate using them for actual combat, feels like I hate to babysit them a lot

Not to get killed

[lofty kernel]

I usually order them to hold at the start and then use them to search and secure

[rustic wigeon]

I'm thinking of doing that once I start getting more familiar with the game.

[rocky plover]

Yeah sometimes it's better like that and use them to wedge stuff and that's it lol

[lofty kernel]

Yeah I have each one with a wedge and a C2

[rocky plover]

Ye

[rustic wigeon]

When I first started, I had them all kitted out with launchers. Then I realised they just shoot it at the ground

So they all have shields now

[lofty kernel]

Yeah lol

[rocky plover]

Yea I prefer to use launcher myself, so I gave them mirror guns lol

[lofty kernel]

I use the launchers when I'm with them

They're not too bad if you keep them behind you while you flow through as the pointman. I like to use double file or diamond for wide hallways and wedge for open areas

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah I've been using diamond a lot for hallways

Clear with leader is the best command I've noticed

[rocky plover]

Yea wedge is very good for front heavy focus

[rocky plover]

Yea, let's you decide when and how to enter on an entry

[lofty kernel]

Also there is no point in giving them suppressors or lasers since they immediately yell when they see a suspect

[rustic wigeon]

God, the yelling is what frustrates me the most

[lofty kernel]

Yeah they are angy

[rustic wigeon]

Constantly stressing all the suspects out in rooms I haven't cleared yet

[rocky plover]

Yeah that's another reason why I kinda hate them

Solo I can control the suspects stress easily so they are less aggressive

[rustic wigeon]

If they changed it so they only yell when you do, I'd be so happy

[lofty kernel]

Yeah I love an MP7 with a laser and nods

Yes that would be great

[rustic wigeon]

I've been running laser and canted on the bean bag and it's so fun.

[lofty kernel]

I love doing that

[rocky plover]

I use flashlight mostly even when canted

Can't wait for laser + flashlight with next update

[lofty kernel]

I use flashlight on unsuppressed guns since the suspects can see flashlights pretty well

[rustic wigeon]

I heard flashlight gives you away now, so Ive been hesitant to use it

[lofty kernel]

Sometimes they see the flashlight through walls and doors

[rocky plover]

If you have light discipline it's good

Sometimes you can also use it to your advantage

And make suspects come to you

[lofty kernel]

Yeah but the superhuman bots can also hear all movement unless you specifically are in walk mode

[rustic wigeon]

So like open or peak a door then shine the light?

[rocky plover]

Yeah another reason why suppressors are kinda useless, unless you got no other option

[rustic wigeon]

No walk toggle on console so I have to guesstimate

[lofty kernel]

Their hearing detection is 20m for both suppressed and unsuppressed

All it does is stress control

[rocky plover]

Even in open spaces not just doors and thresholds, if you stay there with the light you can hear them investigate and come check sometimes, but sometimes they can also be hostile and camp out

[lofty kernel]

Keyboard and mouse my man

[rustic wigeon]

I'm a controller scrub till I die

I've been using the gyro support

It's decent, not the best

[lofty kernel]

Controller gives you bullet magentism

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah I've heard about that 💀

[lofty kernel]

They should make that for casual only

[rustic wigeon]

Does gyro aim turn it off?

[lofty kernel]

I don't think so but can't be sure

[rustic wigeon]

I don't know if aim assist is active with it, definitely doesn't feel like it

Helldivers let's you have aim assist and gyro so idk

[lofty kernel]

I don't know if there is aim assist too

I think it's just the magnetism

[rustic wigeon]

I'll take what I can get with this cracked ai tbh

[lofty kernel]

Yeah exactly every other mission is a battle

Sometimes you get a guy that just full autos your head

[rustic wigeon]

They use the ak like CS players

[lofty kernel]

Lol

Yeah and they sometimes don't miss

[rustic wigeon]

Similar to helldivers if you've played that. Sometimes they just mow you down in a second

[lofty kernel]

Have you tried the pepperball rifle?

[lofty kernel]

I haven't played in about two months unfortunately

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah, when I first started. I realised that the ammo economy is terrible and it took a lot of shots to stun

[lofty kernel]

I used it to S rank every map. I like it better than the beanbag shotgun for open and long maps like Port where the beanbag will lose all damage at range. I also gave the swat ai shields with the pepperball pistol we just walk through and I mag dump people in the face while they detain.

[rocky plover]

Never had problems with beanbag on port

[unkempt jungle]

why is hard difficulty ai like, fucking broken

Like can see through walls

[rustic wigeon]

I'll give it another shot and bring more ammo. It's definitely more forgiving than the beanbag lmao

[lofty kernel]

Well you also have to worry about killing them

[rocky plover]

True

[cedar mulch]

Do you reckon Ron will release a suspect's perspective DLC like SWAT 2 did?

[bold willow]

Is it just me or does the AI tracking and shooting you through walls just feel awful to play against? I don't even feel like there was anything I could do 90% of the time. They see me through one pixel and then beam me and my team through a wall. Just feels dumb and a bit unrealistic.

[lofty kernel]

It do be like that sometimes

[worldly root]

i think sometimes they hear you but that depends on how close u are

cause sometimes i get prefired when im walking on the other side of a wall

[lofty kernel]

They're not supposed to hear when you're walking but sometimes they yell at me through the wall

[wicked ermine]

What gives ready or not it's replay value?

[lofty kernel]

That depends on the person. The achievements and cosmetics or goofing with friends and randoms.

[wicked ermine]

Does enemy placement change?

[lofty kernel]

Yes that's the only thing that changes

And traps

[rocky plover]

Yea but after a while you get used to the spawns

[placid surge]

I shouldve mentioned im doing S rank, its pretty easy if you just go lethal

[wicked ermine]

Is the game still receiving updates? It seems like it is

[rocky plover]

We assumed cos we were talking about S ranks

[rocky plover]

Yes, slow but yes

[placid surge]

Well in that case, best luck

[worldly root]

thinking about S ranking relapse just makes me think on how long its gonna take

[rocky plover]

Not as long as port or 3 letter triad though

[worldly root]

my main concern is just getting the bombs but even going lethal those are pretty quick to get depending on spawns

[lofty kernel]

Base game Relapse and Neon Tomb took me the longest. 3 Letter Triad is the worst.

[worldly root]

i might not S rank neon tomb just doesnt interest me

but relapse tattoo looks cool

[lofty kernel]

I think it took me seven tries

Now if I were to do it again I would have done all of the S ranking on quick play to be able to restart quicker.

[rocky plover]

Yea

[worldly root]

the most attempts its taken me to S rank a map is 3 for ides of march

sinuous trail is an exception cause those enemies are literal tanks

[lofty kernel]

I thought about your question again and I can't get over the satisfying gunplay and I love to get Voodoo Ranger and host in multiplayer

[lofty kernel]

Elephant has the highest body armor level. Imagine that school shooters can buy equipment almost as good as you can so you want to be careful

[rocky plover]

And sins of the father and leviathan

[worldly root]

sins of the father i had no issues with honestly

elephant i wont S rank just yet cause i move slow

[rocky plover]

Gosh back when AI was on steroids though had like 30 attempts on some of the maps

[lofty kernel]

I just learned recently that they could have level 4. I had no idea leviathan had anything over 2

[rocky plover]

Yeah it's a mix of armors on those 2 maps

There's other maps with highest armor too but I don't consider them cos only 1 suspect per map has it

Such as neon tomb, lawmaker etc..

[lofty kernel]

Yeah I thought I read that.

[worldly root]

if i hit a bomb vest with a beanbag, does it go boom

[rocky plover]

No

[lofty kernel]

I've still never seen a vest go off

[worldly root]

i have numerous times pre 1.0

me and 4 of my friends brand new to the game shooting every suspect we saw

[lofty kernel]

So they nerfed that in 1.0

[worldly root]

one tried ventilating one bro with all 4 of us near him and we all exploded

[rocky plover]

They used to be more stubborn before

Bomb vest suspects

[worldly root]

the one thing i miss from pre 1.0 was choosing modes for maps

[rocky plover]

Ruined a couple S ranks cos of them, cos they wouldn't surrender

[rocky plover]

Yeah same

[lofty kernel]

I just watched a video on pre 1.0 yesterday

[rocky plover]

Felt like pre 1.0 was more replayable

[worldly root]

i watched one today not realizing it and in the intro they were in the shoothouse and i somehow remembered what it looked like

[worldly root]

well yea, you could do almost every mode for every map

[rocky plover]

Yea

Even the maps per se were bigger

[lofty kernel]

Had to have been

[rocky plover]

Like gas station had a separate section in the garage area

[worldly root]

oh thats right

[rocky plover]

Twisted nerve had a 3rd building

Right at the spawn

[worldly root]

yea yea

i never had anyone spawn in there tho

[rocky plover]

Feel like the shrunken them

[worldly root]

didnt the talent center have another building or room?

[rocky plover]

I used to have always between 1 or 2 suspects in there

[rocky plover]

Brixley talent time?

[worldly root]

yea

[rocky plover]

It's still there

[worldly root]

ah

[lofty kernel]

The small maps now are designed for PvP right?

[vivid widget]

yeah sometimes one spawns there so i always yell for compliance

[rocky plover]

Now or before?

Cos now I never see suspects there

Even old port was nicer imo

And I miss old hotel as well

[vivid widget]

nowadays
sometimes i see 1

unless if i'm misremembering idk

[lofty kernel]

I always go through there to clear the perimeter

[rocky plover]

Cherryessa was nice but so fucking hard before xD

[vivid widget]

i only got the game like last week

[rocky plover]

Oh nvm then, we're talking how map layout was different before

[vivid widget]

ah

[rocky plover]

On certain maps

[lofty kernel]

Well wasn't the raid mode longer?

So the maps were bigger

[rocky plover]

Not necessarily

Suspects were a bit more hostile than barricaded suspects

And there were a bit more of them as well in raid

[lofty kernel]

Yeah barricaded

[rocky plover]

Like twisted nerve raid didn't have the tunnels part iirc

[lofty kernel]

They made some interesting mechanic removal

[rocky plover]

But it had another building which isn't accessible anymore

[lofty kernel]

Like even Rainbow Six Siege changed a lot from launch but at least the core mechanics didn't get tossed

[rocky plover]

I think they tried incorporating multiple modes into a single map but very few maps are like that

Like very few maps have active shooter, bomb threat and hostage situation all at once

Hell only 2 maps have bombs to begin with

[lofty kernel]

It also makes sense to want a level to have one canon path but that sucks for replayability

It seems less like a game and more like a tv show

[rocky plover]

Yeah like the latest mafia game lol

[lofty kernel]

I still haven't played that yet but yeah I heard it is very linear

I liked the Mafia one remake

It seemed true to the original

[rocky plover]

Not to say it's bad or else I would be lying, I liked it very much, but ye it felt like a movie more than a game

Ye mafia 1 remake was good but I still prefer the OG mafia 1

Cos some features were lost in the remake

[lofty kernel]

I haven't gone back to play any of my childhood games yet. I want to get a PS2 emulator set up so I can.

[rocky plover]

Tried it once but I couldn't stand the graphics lol

[lofty kernel]

That's why I never played SWAT 4

Otherwise I would have played that like crazy

[rocky plover]

Swat 4 graphics didn't bother me tbh

[vivid widget]

i should play swat 4

seeing that this game is a spiritual successor

[lofty kernel]

Well I mean I was on PS2 and it was a PC game right

The only time I got to play a PC game as a kid was Delta Force 2 lol

On a 2000s computer

[rocky plover]

You should it's good

So good that even it's maps are modded for RoN lol

[vivid widget]

how do i even get it

[rocky plover]

I think on gog . com

[vivid widget]

oh yeah i see it

[weak jungle]

im on teh second mission 23 megabytes a second and keep failing to rescue all civilians waht am i doing wrong?

[rocky plover]

Fail as in civilians are dying or can't find them all?

[weak jungle]

i dont even know if theyre dying. every time it says that ive failed to rescue all civilians

am i supposed to use bean bags on everyone? are all the people in the mission civilians?

[rocky plover]

Is the objective grey or red when that happens

[weak jungle]

red

[rocky plover]

So they got killed

[hybrid wren]

Gore in this game is GOOD

Well atleast with uncensored or not mod

[tacit gull]

Wait untill you find out it used to be better

[drifting prawn]

best one imo

maybe cuz i got invested

[high blade]

Hey I just played Neon Tomb for the first time, and like half of the terrorists surrendered before I even got to them, is that normal

made the level extremely easy lol, only like 5 guys even shot back

I think I captured the leader early on, so that might have been why

And I was playing on casual

[bronze sequoia]

Can you not friendly fire your AI anymore? The same guy ran in front of me multiple times so I ended up mag dumping him and he was fine

[jolly verge]

Not on casual

[gritty nova]

So was it downgraded or just the post mortem dismemberment?

[tacit gull]

It was (probably) broken when the game switched to unreal engine 5

it has not been touched since

Its exactly why people have those goofy fucking blown out eyes when you shoot them in the head

[gritty nova]

Oh yeah that’s pretty weird

[tacit gull]

Yeah those aren't intentional

Originally the game had parallax mapping to show deformation on flesh when gore came out

Now it just looks like shit and the eyes never dissapear

Decals also dont show up when they should

https://youtu.be/82XSPA5C2zE

here's how it used to look

it actually used to be more than parallax mapping my bad

[rustic wigeon]

Man why can't I react to messages

[hybrid wren]

Btw isn't it weird how SWAT officers don't wear masks

Like if the crime so rampant and streets are so dangerous you'll think they'll wsnt to conceal their identity

[rustic wigeon]

I thought they usually wear balaclavas irl

Guess it depends where you live

[hybrid wren]

I mean ingame

[rustic wigeon]

Ohhhh mb

[hybrid wren]

From lore standpoint

[rustic wigeon]

Probably to do with feeling closer to the characters or something

[tacit gull]

LMAO

no

[rustic wigeon]

Maybe if they were all masked we wouldn't care as much

I have no idea

They do have a few models with masks in multiplayer

[hybrid wren]

It's not enough

[rustic wigeon]

I was surprised to find there wasn't an option to wear one

Was it taken out?

[hybrid wren]

Apparently it's cause face clipping being a problem

[rustic wigeon]

Bruhhh

Annoying

[hybrid wren]

And seems like the devs want us to see characters faces for some reason

I downloaded balaclava mod though, not very perfect but okay overall

[rustic wigeon]

I've seen them, looks cool

[hybrid wren]

Clips chinstraps and hair, but on bald NPCs looks decent

[rustic wigeon]

Wish I could mod this game

[hybrid wren]

Honestly balaclavas would make playable characters much better to look at

[rustic wigeon]

Was there supposed to be cutscenes planned? Maybe that's why they wanted faces to show also

[hybrid wren]

Oh god game definetly doesn't need cutscenes

[rustic wigeon]

Lmao I'm honestly just brainstorming reasons

[tacit gull]

because changing the balaclava mesh on each head too hawd

[rustic wigeon]

[tacit gull]

If the game had an actual story (that's also good) and the cutscenes looked like the pre-release material i wouldn't mind it at all

[hybrid wren]

Nah i don't really like intrusive cinematic cutscenes in what supposed to be gritty shooters

Ingame scenes? Yeah maybe, though they may mess up gameplay, but cutscenes hell no

[tacit gull]

spec ops the line is probably one of the most beloved gritty shooters (that game fucking sucks)

[rustic wigeon]

After or before missions would be fine for cutscenes

Spec ops the line has to be one of the most glazed games ever

[hybrid wren]

Cause it's movie type game which is also from third person

[rustic wigeon]

I understand where you're coming from, you want a more realistic experience

[tacit gull]

Like i'm sure the story is fine and all but you have to PLAY the game to get to it

[rustic wigeon]

I really like the environmental storytelling in this game and the briefs are good enough to hook you into the mission

[tacit gull]

and the game is janky ass gears of war if it was way worse

[hybrid wren]

Tbh it feels exessive at times

[rustic wigeon]

That game is 2010 cover shooters in a nutshell

[hybrid wren]

Line in The Spider mission

[prisma goblet]

People like spec ops the line cause of its brutal moments. But definitely one of the most glazed realistic games is insurgency sandstorm

[hybrid wren]

Feels like i'm raiding Arkham Asylum and not an actual child trafficking ring

[rustic wigeon]

Los Suenos is basically Gotham atp

[tacit gull]

bro literally nobody talks about that game what

[rustic wigeon]

Some missions are heavy handed, I do agree. But I don't mind that stuff, I mean I love berserk so lmao

[tacit gull]

The briefs are poorly written sob stories most of the time that dont even line up and have a ridiculous amount of discrepancies while also not providing ANY meaningful info on the mission

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah, they arnt running on much Intel a lot of the time though I've realised

[hybrid wren]

I don't mean it being too gritty or edgy, i mean how it's all played out

Like it supposed to be some shadowy trafficking ring so you'll expect something more deceptive and shadowy than writing all over the walls

[prisma goblet]

Post scriptum is ass cause it was the cheap version of hell let loose

[tacit gull]

and hell let loose already feels cheap

[prisma goblet]

I mean the problem whit a realistic WW2 game is that the content is always the same cause it's fuckin WW2

Johnny is writing an essay?

[rustic wigeon]

Yeah, they are very brazen in their actions. My opinion is that because it's in such a bad area, they kind of had free reign there and got very cocky. The elites seem very well protected in this game before judge gets sent in

Lmaoo

Not quite

[tacit gull]

Honestly there's lots of cool shit that happened in the war that can be depicted, like russians taking over berlin with that weird boilerplate armor while fighting essentially armed civilians, the problem with most "tactical shooters" is that they shy away from the vibe that war is hell to deliver uhh hell let loose shoot guy in the head haha funny ping

Kinda crazy that call of duty might do world war 2 the best despite being an arcadey shooter

[prisma goblet]

If they did an actual war game you wouldn't see anyone for like 98% of the time

[prisma goblet]

Ong I love cod 2

[tacit gull]

Have you played arma 3 by any chance?

[prisma goblet]

My PC is ass so no

[tacit gull]

oh it runs like shit even if your pc is good no worries

[prisma goblet]

But I probably will in the future once the PC prices go down

[tacit gull]

arma evens the playing field by making EVERY pc run at 10 fps

[hybrid wren]

From positivesof this game is that terrorists actually feel threatening

[prisma goblet]

But on console I could play arma reforge

[tacit gull]

yeah i love reforge

[hybrid wren]

Not like in SWAT4 they were bad, they just lacked AURA

[tacit gull]

bro swat 4 did ecoterrorists better imma be real

[hybrid wren]

Cause oftentimes they had silly ass airsoft suits and funny voices

[hybrid wren]

Oh yeah that level was brutal

[tacit gull]

crazy ass french guy in the final mission raiding a genetics lab because they were researching how to genetically engineer babies

[prisma goblet]

I preferred swat 3

[hybrid wren]

Tons of DOAs

And cool ahh music

[tacit gull]

SWAT 2 had even cooler stories and was even more unhinged

[prisma goblet]

I think that if void made more maps it would've been better

[hybrid wren]

One of few times i actually got angry at suspects in SWAT4

[prisma goblet]

Plus the SMGS are kinda ass(like in real life)

[hybrid wren]

In RoN i just hate them by default

[prisma goblet]

Since the 9 mm is ass confront to the 556 and 7'62

The mp5 tho has the most aura

Feeling like SAS ops

[tacit gull]

listen all im gonna say is

SWAT 3 as cool as it is

kinda sucks ass to play

and it kinda ESPECIALLY sucks ass to get running on modern hardware

[prisma goblet]

Cause it's a PS2 game

[tacit gull]

i dont think i've ever had more trouble getting a game to run than swat 3

[tacit gull]

so is half life

[hybrid wren]

Do you usually want to kill ot arrest suspects in RoN?

[prisma goblet]

Half life for PS2 would have been generational

[tacit gull]

??

[prisma goblet]

Kill cause it's what real swat would do if you don't drop your gun

[hybrid wren]

Personally i find them much more hateable than in SWAT4

Usually in SWAT4 i primarily want to just arrest them

[tacit gull]

well yeah cause in ron they're COMICALLY evil

[hybrid wren]

Yeah it was kinda frustrating in SWAT4 with it's strict RoE

[prisma goblet]

Or you can play it like speznatz

Kill everyone

[hybrid wren]

But the score meter will call me a menace 😔

[prisma goblet]

Do it for the motherland

[hybrid wren]

Yes comrade commander!

[prisma goblet]

Lek would be fire if we play the game in different countries with their own dubbings and stories

Like speznatz in Moscow

G.I.S in Milan

GIGN in Leon/Paris

[hybrid wren]

Condition Zero Deleted Scenes is about that

Closest to that

[prisma goblet]

But I guess that void won't make that cause they have been radio silent for months

[hybrid wren]

Alas global war on terrorism narrative is dead

[prisma goblet]

I don't want to say that they took the money and then folded with the game tho

[tacit gull]

that was the original plan but its not happening

[hybrid wren]

So no more internationalistic counter terrorism games

[prisma goblet]

Kinda what RaiBow Six should've been

[hybrid wren]

Does the appearance of the vest not change protection class?

[marsh lark]

No

It's why the section is called customization

[hybrid wren]

😕

[marsh lark]

Anything that changes stats of anything is in loadout

[hybrid wren]

Thats weird

[marsh lark]

No need for visual changes to impact the gameplay

[hybrid wren]

Idk i prefer when what i see is what i see

[marsh lark]

As I said, customization tab only changes the visual aspect of your loadout, whereas the loadout section actually impacts the game.

Works the same in too long list of games to type out

[tacit gull]

It also doesn't work the same in a lot of games

It's also not entirely true as some nvgs set in cutomisation are actively worse

[late prism]

I honestly forgot there was more than 1 NVG set in customisation, I didn't get the supporter edition because console so I missed out on the NVGs and the gas masks.

Wait how do the different NVGs in customisation be actively worse?

[tacit gull]

try them

[late prism]

You mean the GPNVGs compared to the standard NVGs? Cos I can't try the customisations. You need supporter edition the options haven't shown up for me for a good while now.

I used to be able to see the customisations locked behind supporter edition but not anymore

[tacit gull]

only the tan gpnvgs are supporter exclusive

[late prism]

Huh, I'll need to check tonight then because I could've sworn I only had one NVG option.

[tacit gull]

But in the regular NVG slot you get the SWAT 99 NVG that looks way worse than the default one

[late prism]

Ohhhhhhh right I forgot about those ones yeah. I've just been using GPNVGs for so long.

Well I'm stupid.

Guess it makes sense the SWAT 99 NVGs would look worse because they're older though, never actually used them.

[tacit gull]

if only we got those PVS-5s they showed in dark waters

[late prism]

Those would be really cool, hopefully we get more customisations for them at some point.

[marsh lark]

In a lot of games it does

I didn't mean every single game

[gritty nova]

Why did they remove this

Right now the only thing i noticed on the dead suspects was when I shot them in the face and it just destroys it

Feels like it’s the same thing every time

I never actually saw any blood pools or clothing soaked with blood

Unless I’m just not observant

[tacit gull]

Mainly it just doesn't work, you could even take people's fingers off with the system

As for the head dismemberment singular variation, i genuienly have no clue WHAT THE FUCK they were thinking

It looks terrible and the deformation alone was way cooler

[gritty nova]

So wait is there a mod that reverts it

Or is it just a thing that actually has a reason why it’s not in the game anymore

[lost inlet]

You missed the bot again, lock.

Better luck next time.

[coarse osprey]

by literally a minute though

[lost inlet]

There was only one so it didn’t sticks around long enough.

[coarse osprey]

well

[civic fiber]

what bot??

[coarse osprey]

i blame my phone, it has delay in the pings

[lost inlet]

Get a better phone.

[coarse osprey]

you ping and it appears on my phone after 10 minutes

nah, it's the best

[lost inlet]

Mrbeast scam bot, i think.

[lost inlet]

Suit yourself.

[civic fiber]

your phone sounds lazy

[tacit gull]

no

[coarse osprey]

MRBEAST

[tacit gull]

There is no proper reason for replacing the deformation with the shitty variant

[gritty nova]

[wind gyro]

@woven fulcrum theres a whole mission with female suspects

[lost inlet]

Send the gif here.

The the the one.

[civic fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-ytpmv-rap-battle-squid-game-squid-game-vs-mrbeast-gif-25491394

[dense pendant]

1

[lost inlet]

[civic fiber]

no perms 😔

@coarse osprey Can i borrow gif perms 🥺 🥺

[jolly verge]

[wind gyro]

ask mr eman

[civic fiber]

His aura is too powerful bro it blasts me away

[wind gyro]

[civic fiber]

dont give me that face you know its true

[wind gyro]

its not

[civic fiber]

[lost inlet]

Wrong side.

[civic fiber]

No?

[lost inlet]

On my screen, it’s the right hand on the left side and left hand on the right side.

[jolly verge]

Wow, he's alive

[lost inlet]

Who’s alive?

[jolly verge]

Man wtf

[marsh lark]

Over 250K people on this discord, I think you can imagine the chaos.

[wind gyro]

fake

245,872

[marsh lark]

5 goes up

[wind gyro]

you can only imagine 250k members

[marsh lark]

Sir, go back to camping #💻tech-support

[solemn patio]

Imagine if we got a Barrett

[woven fulcrum]

Not all missions tho

[lost inlet]

which one? Barrett makes more than just .50 cal AMR.

[solemn patio]

MRAD trust

I love the mrad more than the m82

[lost inlet]

pretty based.

but nah.

[nocturne panther]

does anyone know why my saved loadout presets keep getting deleted? im on pc

[solemn patio]

I went back to one of the last good cods and the lobby feels like a cod lobby shoulf

[solemn patio]

NOOO

WHY NOT

I WANT A 300 MAG BARRETT MRAD

[wind gyro]

why does every mission need a female suspect

[weak jungle]

i understand that, but neither me nor my teammates shot them. do the armed npcs shoot them?

[wind gyro]

they sometimes shoot them but i dont think that can happen in 23 megabytes

its fairly common on missions like elephant

@unreal rivet thats not a mod thats just a dlc

you also have the helicopter animation when choosing the helipad on the oil rig mission

[unreal rivet]

ok

[rocky plover]

yes it can happen on every map, if the suspects stress is too high because they take hostages

[weak jungle]

thanks

[rocky plover]

listen to TOC, usually he informs you that a civilian is taken hostage

[wind gyro]

"civilians have been taken hostage" is the main phrase

[rocky plover]

most of the time it's michael's mother who's taken hostage on that map

[wind gyro]

he says it after you even shoot in a mission like stolen valor

[vocal belfry]

always that much people comment here or is an update imminent?

[wind gyro]

people talk here a lot

even tho we are months dry of an update

[vocal belfry]

oohh..to much hope..

[wind gyro]

hopeium

[vocal belfry]

but some people said, the steamdb has changed a lot.. so some think, we get a bigger update in the next ....whatever...

[woven fulcrum]

I think it would fit the game as it is advertised as realism

[wind gyro]

female civilians are more accurate id say

[woven fulcrum]

I agree but swat deal with all kinds of suspects

I think it would make the experience more realistic

[wind gyro]

i agree to disagree

and i disagree to agree

[woven fulcrum]

Hopefully the devs agree🙏

I just think it would make it more realistic

Not every criminal is a male yk?

[wind gyro]

i know that

[woven fulcrum]

Thats why i think it would make it more realistic ig

And the females you can shoot almost all have masks

Just like 2

[weak jungle]

what are someo of your guys' favorite guns?

[wind gyro]

g3a3 and ga51

also the sr16

[woven fulcrum]

Well theres lots, trafficking, cp, robbery, drugs, etc

[prime spear]

trafficking, robbery, cp, drugs.

Just like real life LA.

[rocky plover]

Arn-180, f90, sr16, mp7

[prime spear]

Yo, got a spare jacket?

[weak jungle]

why?

[rocky plover]

yup, how many do you need?

[prime spear]

mp7 maybe reminds him of Bandit.

[rocky plover]

cos they're good compared to other options

[rocky plover]

best smg hands down

[solemn patio]

Yes.

MP5/10 will always hold a special place in my heart tho

Same with MP5SD

[rocky plover]

wish it was better in game though

[solemn patio]

I like using it in semi cause it feels silky smooth to shoot fast

[prime spear]

speaking of, sad there ain't a full outfit GSG-9 mod.

[solemn patio]

I want female officers and hand to hand combat :)

[rocky plover]

ye, just doesn't make sense its the highest recoil amongst the smg's category

[solemn patio]

I wanna be able to pull a knife and get put into a struggle for the knife

[rocky plover]

oh well, there's a lot of stuff there isn't XD

[prime spear]

How bad did you mess up you gotta rely on fists.

[solemn patio]

HE CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET IM SORRY 😭😭😭

[tepid raven]

Cant wait to get food after this stream!
The SPC-9 on full auto:

I think it’s called the SPC-9? I forgot

[rocky plover]

the fastest rof smg, ye

[solemn patio]

The non MPX AR-9?

Speaking of which I want an ar9

Like the DOE ones

Colt model 633 I think

[tepid raven]

Beanbags suspect again after he pulls out his secondary
The suspect with a third handgun:

A backup for his backup 😔

[rocky plover]

😂

[solemn patio]

YOU FORGOT THE BACKUP FOR HIS BACKUP FOR HIS BACKUP DAWG

4TH HANDGUN

[rocky plover]

it was funny when they used to have infinite backups

[solemn patio]

EHAY

[rocky plover]

could literally kill suspects and still get S rank, if you just keep making them drop more guns and bring up the score lol

[solemn patio]

They what.

[tepid raven]

213 park homes be all fun n games until the suspect pulls out a second knife

[solemn patio]

First thing I thought of

[rocky plover]

ye it was funny

[jolly verge]

More guns will just increase max possible score, still need to take everyone alive for a 100% S grade

[rocky plover]

now yes, not how it was back in the day though

you could exploit the infinite weapons thing before

[jolly verge]

I got what you mean, it's not working that way

Securing 100 guns from the floor from a single suspect will just increase max possible score by 2500 points

[rocky plover]

i mean before not now

used to be possible to still get S like that if you accidentally killed someone, just had to abuse the weapons thing, and make them drop a lot of weapons to make up for the score lost

speaking of which, how i miss headshotting with beanbag and not killing suspects, good old times lol

[nocturne panther]

does it matter if i give my ai team a gas mask or ballistic mask?

[rocky plover]

yes, ballistic mask gives them more protection in addition with helmet protection

and gas doesnt effect them

so even if youre gonna use gas, give them ballistic mask anyway

[nocturne panther]

thank you

[rocky plover]

👍

[jolly verge]

When

Was it before or after 1.0

[rocky plover]

ohh waaaay before like years ago forgot exactly when

like 4 years ago or so, maybe more

trying to find a vid of it, but i think i lost it since I built a new pc last year

dont know how the math worked out back then, if it was like a specific score for grades or % wise, but I swear i had it happen

but anyways it was most likely a bug or glitch of some sort

many stuff got fixed/changed from back then

[stone bay]

Hi everyone. I'm new here. I do have a question i was hoping someone can help me out with

[rocky plover]

@jolly verge also I wanted to ask you, I mostly use JHP for the most part like 4.6x30mm with JHP for suspects with L2, .300 blackout with JHP for suspects with L3, buckshot for suspects with L1, 5.56x45mm AP for suspects with L4, but what about .50AE? I know both AP and JHP got it's uses but what about choosing either one as a general? I know JHP is better for limbs but the .50AE JHP doesn't penetrate any armor and .50AE AP is still effective against limbs. So what's your take on it? Also I know it's effective up to L3 just like 5-7 with AP, but it seems to be also good for L4, especially seeing there is no other options for sidearms for that kind of armor.

[rocky plover]

fire away and welcome

[stone bay]

So on the map with the school shooter and the bombs, I'm having trouble completing it, since it's basically timed. What's the best strategy to clear the entire building, the best loadout, and what entrance should i start at?

[rocky plover]

1. focus on suspects first (4 on standard, 5 on hard)
2. then bombs
3. civilians for last
   they have L4 armor so you need any rifle with AP rounds, avoid smg on this map
   both entrances are fine but I prefer the one where you are closest to the building, forgot which one its called

[stone bay]

thank you. What about clearing rooms? Do i hit every door, or just the ones that are unlocked?

[rocky plover]

yea check every room, but dont waste time getting civilians until you get suspects and bombs first, a breaching shotgun or battering ram is nice to be slightly faster on locked doors (or at least a lockpick gun)

just be careful on hard mode though, as it has traps on doors

usually suspects are kinda split between 2 on green side, and 2 blue side of the buildings, but not always, so be a little thorough when clearing to avoid back tracking a lot and wasting time

[stone bay]

Okay thank you. I know there's usually always a suspect in the front entrance where that wounded/DOA officer is, and I know there's one at the top of the stairs towards the back of the building.

I really wish RoN had voice commands that you can say through a mic/headset, making it easier and faster to clear

[rocky plover]

ye those are common spawns, but not always there, they vary a bit

[rocky plover]

are you on pc or console? cos i think there's a mod for it on pc, but idk if its still updated

[stone bay]

I'm on Xbox

[hybrid wren]

How many hostiles in school shooting level?

[stone bay]

4 on standard, 5 on hard

[hybrid wren]

Kinda want a mission like the first with very few or just one actual suspect

[rocky plover]

well first mission has 4/5 on standard and hard

lethal obsession is the least one, 3 on both standard and hard

[rocky plover]

oh ok, nvm then, forget what I said about mods

[stone bay]

The strip club one (Neon War I think, correct me if I'm wrong), is fairly easy to complete. I had NV with the white filter on the entire time, and I probably completed the whole mission in about 15 minutes.

The mail factory on the other hand is so large and a lot of suspects. It had me clearing a room, moving on, then eventually going back to the first room I cleared with a new suspect or two.

[stone bay]

LOL. Microsoft doesn't allow mods on Xbox, yet

[rocky plover]

neon tomb aka neon nightclub and damn didn't you get blinded with NVG, feels a lil too bright for nvg, and not that dark that its needed

[rocky plover]

ye consoles in general for that matter, that's why

ye greased palms can be tricker considering they can see you through every nook and cranny, but suspects wise, there isn;t a whole lot of different on number of suspects

[stone bay]

wait maybe it was the one with the underground cave. Either way, i used NVG for both. The Neon Tomb I had a pepperball AR, a 1911, and a riot shield.

The school one I have an AR, a 1911, a riot shield, taser, and pepper spray

[rocky plover]

if you're talking about twisted nerve, then yea nvg's makes sense on that map

[stone bay]

i think that's the one

[rocky plover]

3rd mission in the game

[stone bay]

No it was closer to Neon Tomb. It was the one in the desert at the farm, leading to a system of tunnels. They were smuggling a drug leader or something.

the one with the caved in floor in the main room

[rocky plover]

ohhh rust belt

[stone bay]

That's the one

I used white NVG for that one once I cleared the entire ground level

And yes, I got jumpscared to death a few times. 😂

[rocky plover]

ye I prefer white over green

haha understandably

[stone bay]

"Room clear"

The room, in fact, was not clear

[rocky plover]

😂

[jolly verge]

AP for sure, even if you hit limb with that the stagger chance is 100%

[rocky plover]

ok thanks, glad I was using the right one, just wanted to make sure

I mostly use it along my 5.56 AP for L4 suspects along with MK-V AP with shield

[weak jungle]

would anyone want to play with me? i got the game back when it was early access and am just getting into it now. i dont want any spoilers for the game just someone to play with

[rocky plover]

even if it might take an extra shot over JHP, its better for L3 and L4 (when using AP)

[stone bay]

There are certain levels, like hide and seek, or others that pose little to no danger where I'll use a pepperball launcher as my main firearm. No matter what, I'll always have lethal secondary.

[rocky plover]

check out #🔎looking-for-players plenty of people look out to play with each other there

[rocky plover]

and even for armored no matter the armor type it's still 100% as opposite to 12.5%

[stone bay]

Beanbag shotgun is good if you're not taking primary lead, or if a suspect/civvy isn't complying

[rocky plover]

it's my go-to when I wanna S rank, prefer it over pepperball rifle/smg

m32a1 is also very good

[stone bay]

True. I only use pepperball if I put on a gas mask or if it's a low risk/easy arrest level. That sometimes works.

[rocky plover]

used to be better before gas nerf sadly

[stone bay]

Dang they nerfed it?

[rocky plover]

yeah stun/second made it take longer to take full effect along with duration and range

it's not bad on standard or below, but unusable on hard imo, and beanbag is just better on all difficulties if you hit your shots imo

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

also beanbag is more ammo economic imo, but thats if you hit you shots again like i said

[hybrid wren]

Just make gas mask visibility ass

No need to balance CS gas then

[stone bay]

I rarely use CS gas. I only use it if I feel like there's a risk to my officers

[rocky plover]

the only downside is 3/4 shots vs 2 on L4 belly with AP, but all other scenarios AP is better apart from limbs

[stone bay]

If I need to use it, I'll make sure to equip a gas launcher before I start the mission after reading the briefing/going over the floor plan

[rocky plover]

gas used to be my go-to before nerf, was too good, but the nerf was taken too far imo, so flashbangs is my go-to now

[stone bay]

Of course, I have the gas mask on too.

[stone bay]

flashbangs are my go to as well. I have 3 flash and a taser.

[rocky plover]

even gas mask feels useless now, so all I use is helmet with anti-flash goggles + ballistic mask

ye I keep 1 slot for taser as well good backup and you get 6 shots with 1 slot so pretty good

[stone bay]

Now a real question:

after mirroring a room and finding an armed suspect aiming at the door, does anyone just shoot through the wall? I've seen videos of that, and apparently it works

Because I have done that, and it worked for me. No punishment or anything

[rocky plover]

depends on caliber, personally I hate doing that cos it's less realistic, I prefer to peek the door and chuck in a flashbang, or C2 the door

but it can be done especially with stronger ammuniton

[stone bay]

I usually take a shotgun when I have it equipped and just blow a hole through the door, then calmly open it

"Notify TOC, suspect down"

[rocky plover]

can be done with other weapons as well if you shoot a couple times

if it's a wooden door that is ofc..

[stone bay]

It was wooden. I mainly play the game in the dark because a lot of the mission are darkened/low lighting, so I can see easier. There's probably a way to increase game brightness, but I'm too lazy to figure that out 😂

[solemn patio]

3 FUCKING METERS? 4.5???

[stone bay]

that's 9 feet!!

[solemn patio]

MATE I KNOW

I KNOW EUROPEAN MEASUREMENTS

[solemn patio]

Actually it rounds up to 10 feet I believe

9.843 feet

[stone bay]

I'm america, so I measure in burgers to Freedom😂

[solemn patio]

How many burgers per democracy is greasy palms

[rocky plover]

ye thats how nerfed to the ground it was

[stone bay]

roughly 900. Just the main mail room. about 1200 total

[rocky plover]

while flash is 10m and stinger is 12m

40mm flash and stinger are both 10m

[solemn patio]

Fuckin hell man

[rocky plover]

not to mention it used to stun in 0.5 seconds

and now 2s on standard and 4s on hard

[solemn patio]

.

[stone bay]

Was the taser nerfed?

[solemn patio]

Gang atp im better off tasing them

[rocky plover]

buffed from 1.0 but recently then the range was nerfed

[solemn patio]

I tased a suspect twice and dumped 2 whole tubes of beanbag shells into him once and he still grabbed his gun and shot me LOL

[rocky plover]

still better than pepperspray though

[rocky plover]

lemme guess it was the last suspect too?

[solemn patio]

Nope

[stone bay]

RIP

[rocky plover]

oh damn, cos usually the last suspect can be very stubborn and aggressive

[jolly verge]

Yes

[solemn patio]

Thats why I carry a 1911, I dont believe in S ranks gang

I believe in less lethal now, I use my less lethal MP5

[stone bay]

I carry a 1911 too. I will always have lethal secondary. No matter what

[jolly verge]

Range cut from 20m to 10m + you can't stealth with it anymore as it raise suspects stress when shooting from it

[rocky plover]

it depends on what I am doing, if im going less lethal I take full less lethal, if Im going lethal I take full lethal (apart from flashbangs), I dont like to mix and match

@mossy crescent damn lol, can't even see where that even came from

[solemn patio]

A single dev team who fucking listens to their community could bring the whole market to its knees if their game got popular enough

[mossy crescent]

i literally reviewed every single frame, there was nobody...

[rocky plover]

didn't look from that floor you were on, maybe a suspect had a visual sightline to you between the railings from a floor underneath you

but idk looks sketchy xD

[mossy crescent]

you can look when im falling to the ground theres nobody there

[vivid widget]

infinite flashbang tech is fun
i probably should be doing s rank first before hard mode but you know

[rocky plover]

ye i know, i meant maybe the shot came from downstairs

[mossy crescent]

it couldnt have since theres nobody on the stairs

[rocky plover]

way down

under the railing part

like 2 floors lower not 1 floor

[mossy crescent]

theres no way they hit that 😭

[rocky plover]

or just do S on hard and hit 2 birds with 1 stone lol

[mossy crescent]

just look where i was standing, no chance

[rocky plover]

yeah I know, still looks very unfortunate

just trying to make sense of it

[mossy crescent]

whole run ruined by a one tap on easy mode 😭

[rocky plover]

cos you still had a fully working helmet as well lol and full health

[civic fiber]

brooo i got a C on my English Quiz 🎉

[vivid widget]

that sounds absolutely miserable lol

[mossy crescent]

gg i guess

[rocky plover]

I did it, but yeah lost a bit of my sanity lol

[vivid widget]

is S rank recommended with friends or swat ai

[rocky plover]

with good teamwork it's far easier and enjoyable imo

but it needs to be with good teamwork not everyone doing his own thing recklessly

I mostly did them solo, some with AI some without AI as I hate the AI sometimes

[stone bay]

@mossy crescent there were walls surrounding you entirely. There was no trap, or else you would've been KIA when entering the stairwell. It happens so fast, but maybe a suspect walked into the room? That's my best guess

[rocky plover]

but I also replayed a lot of them in multiplayer as well after I had completely them and it's much more enjoyable and easier

[civic fiber]

@rocky plover How do you actually get to enjoy the game again after you’ve basically done everything except for like all the achievements 🤔

i open the game and i just feel so bored of it so fast

[rocky plover]

well even after all achievements I still sometimes go back to it, not every day, sometimes I leave at least a week as well in between, cos ye agree it can get a little boring to quickly

[stone bay]

Why do i feel like a secret, rare achievement is "Kill Everyone, suspects and civilians"? Games like this could have the possibility

[rocky plover]

but multiplayer can be fun at times

depends who you encounter

[marsh lark]

multiplayer, friends, mods

[civic fiber]

i never tried public multi hows it like? i only done multi with a buddy of mine

[rocky plover]

yea ^, although I don't use mods that often, I keep going back to vanilla at times

[rocky plover]

well it can be hectic, it's hit or miss, but it's much better than single player if you ask me

depends who you find, when you find the right people and play with them regularly it becomes nicer

[vivid widget]

speaking of, so you use steel front back for yourself but what about your ai?

[civic fiber]

i pre ordered this game deluxe and everything and i lowkey feel like i got scammed of my money 😭

[rocky plover]

heavy, full coverage, steel for AI ALWAYS