👮ron-discussion

[surreal pelican]

I really wish void will scale the given shotgun ammo based on how many the specific shotgun can hold in a tube

[maiden sequoia]

Wait so bringing 4 extra bbs is just one tube of 4 ammo?

[rocky plover]

Tbh I always used 4 shotgun slots and never ran out while on occasion I did run out with 4 rifle or smg slots but still it's rare

[surreal pelican]

I never ran out of AR mags (bless my holy flashbangs) too

[rocky plover]

The exception is for beanbag sometimes I took 5 slots instead but cause I thought I would get 7 shots instead of 8 for each slot so I might decrease it to 4 slots

[surreal pelican]

Any shotgun you recommend? And is it still viable on maps like GP?

[surreal pelican]

I guess 4 slots is better

[maiden sequoia]

Supernova

The holy deleter

[rocky plover]

Well all of them slap, but I've been using 590m lately and haven't gone back to the other ones lol

Granted semi auto ones are better

[maiden sequoia]

I don't recommend shotguns for greased palms

[rocky plover]

But the recoil speed on the 590m (since it's mag fed) is nice

[jolly verge]

590M is good, but semi auto is better since you can spam with it

[rocky plover]

I use shotguns on greased palms with buckshot usually, only takes 1 or maybe 2 shots even on super long range

[maiden sequoia]

Really?

[surreal pelican]

M1014?

[jolly verge]

Buckshot effective on any distance

[rocky plover]

Yeah even on port

[surreal pelican]

Last time I tried the 590M soley because of the magazine mechanism lol

[rocky plover]

B1301 better recoil, m1014 better reload speed

[maiden sequoia]

Damn bb really did me dirty

[surreal pelican]

Damn

[jolly verge]

This or B1301 with 9 shells in tube and bit slower reloading + 30% less recoil

[surreal pelican]

Thank you aspid and metal

[surreal pelican]

I keep forgetting shotguns actually have a large range in Ron unlike other games 😭

[jolly verge]

Yeah, except slugs

[rocky plover]

No worries and ye as aspid said b1301 is 9 capacity, m1014 is 8 I believe?

[surreal pelican]

Never bothered with slugs at all lul

[surreal pelican]

More capacity the better, I think I might try the B1301 first since I've given that to I think Eli

Better recoil over reload

For AI which shotgun should I give em?

[rocky plover]

Yea I mean the recoil is not of a super big difference

[surreal pelican]

Eli has the B1301 iirc

[rocky plover]

I just love the m1014 animations more especially for reload check

And reload seems to be much quicker especially for a full tube reload

[late prism]

I'll be honest I think it's 7 with ghost loading.

[rocky plover]

But if u wanna min-max then ye try the b1301

[jolly verge]

Does not matter, they shoot at the same firerate with pump or semi auto, idk if they reload mag fed one

[surreal pelican]

oh

[rocky plover]

7 is only for the beanbag afaik, other ones should be in the range of 8-10 afaik

[late prism]

My favourite shotgun is the M1014 because idk I just prefer the feel of it, I guess its the fire rate or the damage but when I use the others it just doesn't feel like they compare.

[surreal pelican]

How's the recoil on the M1014?

[late prism]

I'll try check wiki, last time I used it and a rush I counted 7 shells before a reload but it's possible I forgot I had already fired a shell or miscounted due to how fast I was firing.

[rocky plover]

Ye the animations are aesthetically more pleasing tbh

Slightly higher than the b1301 @surreal pelican

[late prism]

Manageable, if you're going "BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG" with it they're likely already dead but it will be harder to maintain. I can't remember how it compares to others but I've never had an issue.

[surreal pelican]

Thanks

[rocky plover]

Tbh even though it's a semi auto, you still shouldn't just spam it as you end up wasting shots anyways, just it's a bit faster on follow up shots than pump actions

[surreal pelican]

Will try the M1014 tonight for a change, thank you

[jolly verge]

30% higher compare to B1301

[late prism]

Yeah the fire rate is fun to abuse but in an actual situation by the second shot you'll likely just be shooting a corpse anyway

[rocky plover]

Yeah lol

[surreal pelican]

Yup, gotta get used with the shotgun now

[surreal pelican]

o

[rocky plover]

Also use the 12g brake please, not the choke

[late prism]

The firerate is great for if there's a lot of enemies close to each other but you shouldn't just spam fire it

[surreal pelican]

What does the brake provide? I never really used the shotguns

[late prism]

Nah you guys should totally use slug rounds and the choke, slug rounds are unusable without choke for real.

[rocky plover]

Lower vert recoil (30%) @surreal pelican

[inland wolf]

why is this tactician achievement so picky

[jolly verge]

Slugs with choke

[rocky plover]

Lmao bruh slug is a single projectile like a rifle round, why you gotta make the spread less lmao 😂

[jolly verge]

0 - 55% = 0 anyway

[rocky plover]

Hahahaha exactly

[lost inlet]

does he knows?

[rocky plover]

Ye he was sarcastic we know

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

[late prism]

Precisely, next time a suspect shows up he thinks "oh he's going to shoot me with shot" and then haha no surprise slug

[jolly verge]

Which hits he's arm and does literally nothing

[rocky plover]

Tbh even without anything is better than adding the choke lol because the choke instead increases horizontal recoil

[surreal pelican]

Think imma swap the B1301 with the M1014 for Eli and then use it

[rocky plover]

Lmao 😂😂😂

[late prism]

On a serious note though I do agree with using the brake not the choke because of what Metals already said

[rocky plover]

Both are very good just try them both

[surreal pelican]

Lmfao I want that bigger spread with the brake, oh wait then how am I gonna deal with hostage situation with shotgun? Pistol eh?

[late prism]

Pray

[rocky plover]

Yea flashbangs or pistol

[rocky plover]

Or both

[surreal pelican]

My boy Eli just said fuck it and wiped out the hostage and suspect

[rocky plover]

😂

[surreal pelican]

Would be lore accurate if it was Prescott

[jolly verge]

This or just aim a bit off the suspect head so pellets won't hit civilian

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

Lately I've been running the flashlight alot

[late prism]

Well it officialy ends the hostage situation

[surreal pelican]

Iirc there was once where Eli pulled a similar stunt and the civvie was just incapped instead of dying

[late prism]

Efficiency

[rocky plover]

Same until we get multi attachments IL stick with the flashlight

[surreal pelican]

And yet I have the NVGs just for drip, wonder if it provides any sort of extra "protection" lol

[surreal pelican]

BCBT made me realise the potency of flashlights

[rocky plover]

Nah helmets and ballistic mask do

I sometimes use nvg+flashlight (both at once) on super dark moments

[late prism]

I saw someone say the NVGs and the gas mask provided the same protection as a ballistic mask once, no idea where they got that from.

[rocky plover]

Since we don't have illuminators (basically a flashlight shown only under nvg) yet

[jolly verge]

Classic RoN misinformation

[rocky plover]

The gas mask thing was an old thing I think but that was fixed and is no longer valid

[surreal pelican]

I just soley rely on flashlight now, NVG stays on top for the drip points

[jolly verge]

It's never was a thing in the first place

[rocky plover]

Oh ok

Swear sometimes it saved me though back in the old days

[jolly verge]

That what helmet does

[rocky plover]

But before even no helmet gave some protection right

Now no helmet is as it says so gives no protection

[jolly verge]

Protection on no helmet was a bug yeah https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1317108909240094790

[rocky plover]

Ah ok, made sense

[jolly verge]

It's used to have same stats as standart helmet

[inland wolf]

dude full S rank with pepper spray and flashbangs

and i still didnt get tactician

[rocky plover]

Yea that's what I thought, now it's only good for drip points lmao

[jolly verge]

Do by the book instead and you will get both of them

[inland wolf]

bruh

This game and its fuck ass achievements

[rocky plover]

Yea and off duty too if you haven't got that yet ( just remove armor and helmet for off duty)

[inland wolf]

already gotten

[rocky plover]

Oh ok

[inland wolf]

missing a couple:
The Tactician
By the Book
The Emperor
Toxic Fumes
Door Kickers
I'm Too Old For This...

and the hidden ones

[surreal pelican]

Why not do By The Book and Tactician at the same time?

[rocky plover]

Can get first 2 in a single run (that's why I mentioned off duty aswell)

[inland wolf]

im with another guy rn

[rocky plover]

Cos it could have been 3 in 1 run

[surreal pelican]

3 for the price of 1

[rocky plover]

More like 3 for the pain of 1 🤔🤣

[torpid onyx]

it looks weird whenever you don't have NVGs mounted on a helmet

[surreal pelican]

2 for the pain of 18 (18 base missions), Ironman Mode and no officers dead 😂

[rocky plover]

Hahaha

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[rocky plover]

Yea I wish it removes the nvg mount not just leaves it there lol

[surreal pelican]

Maybe you can get the first 2 and toxic fumes at the same time, next time

[cedar mulch]

If VOID fixes the bug granting the Drummer L4 armour, would this achievement still be obtainable?

[surreal pelican]

One of the things that I'll fail to understand in RON lore is that why is there grenade traps in Edgeware Apts

[surreal pelican]

No idea and I pray to God that it doesn't happen, gotta run fully AP if that happens

[rocky plover]

No idea xD

[surreal pelican]

And I don't think there's any pistol that's capable of L4 pen even with AP

[rocky plover]

Still need to go for headshot though xD

Or use the .50ae one I guess

[surreal pelican]

Maybe the grenades came from the veteran dude or something, I mean he has a whole ass stash of weaponry

[jolly verge]

It's intended and why would not get it with level 4 armor suspects?

[surreal pelican]

I always try to aim for the head 😂

[rocky plover]

Ye could be

[surreal pelican]

The disabling of L4 armour on suspects on narcos was intended?

[surreal pelican]

Best part is you can't really see the grenade traps on the fence gate in dark unless you really really shine it

[cedar mulch]

But this isn't just a problem with Narcos; the other two L4 levels in DLC1 have also been compromised.

[jolly verge]

I was told that yeah

[surreal pelican]

Bless them

[rocky plover]

Yea that back side is the only part where I use nods to avoid getting spotted from everywhere by using flashlight

Cos it's annoying when they start firing from the top of the fire escape stairs lol

[surreal pelican]

Relatable 😭

[cedar mulch]

UPF's performance in DLC1 is no different from that of petrol station thugs.

[surreal pelican]

To be fair, the UPF kids aren't really military trained like the Black Sentinel or The Hand

Basically Just Stop Oil kids but if they got bold enough

[cedar mulch]

I reckon it's simply that VOID refuses to admit fault, given that all three levels in DLC1 were affected.

[cedar mulch]

Their morale wasn't particularly high in DLC1 either.

[rocky plover]

@jolly verge So just to clarify with beanbag, 4 ammo slots gives me 32 shots right? Cos I usually take 5 slots which I thought is 35 shots when in reality 5 slots is 40 shots then yea?

[cedar mulch]

But UPF gear is actually superior to the Black Sentinel of the same period.

[jolly verge]

I mean it's very easy to fix by changing 1 value and they did change armor on Higher Strike from level 4 to 1 as example, so my guess is that it's done for a balance reason

[jolly verge]

Correct

[rocky plover]

Alright good to know, thanks I might start taking 4 slots then instead of 5

I never understood what was the point of L1 armor if even 9mm JHP can't penetrate it -_-

[cedar mulch]

This implies that the difficulty of the other two levels in DLC1 is equivalent to that of the earlier stages.

[cedar mulch]

Fast food is the result of player protests, isn't it? Because Void was randomly feeding data.

[jolly verge]

Idk, maybe

[cedar mulch]

But they've actually altered Coyote's map. I simply can't fathom it.

News of the Coyote map emerged as early as 2022, but they opted to release it as version 1.0 and made changes to it.

[covert aurora]

@maiden sequoia your team was encountering schizophrenia, it'ssssssssssss fineeeeeeee

:)

[rocky plover]

@jolly verge so I know that the SWAT AI do not run out of ammo when you give them just 1 slot of ammo, but what about the M32A1? If I give them no slots for it since they have 6 in the chamber already as free ammo do they run out or do I need to give them at least 1 slot for it to not run out?

[jolly verge]

Idk, feel free to test and let me know

[rocky plover]

oh ffs, you're the guru of this game hahaha, guess I'll have to test it out then 😛

[surreal pelican]

VoTD drove me nuts with M1014, eventually managed to somewhat get used to the shotgun

Speaking of which, how do you clear VoTD?

[rocky plover]

@surreal pelican

[surreal pelican]

Holy shit

Actually ngl that's smart

I've been pre flashing by throwing the nade to the first level at the second floor walkway/staircase

[surreal pelican]

I also break the windows on the third floor to shoot any security guards that may be outside

[rocky plover]

so I basically gave them this loadout and they never ran out of launcher ammo because they switch to TPRL and then they reload their launcher.
0 slot in primary (6 free in chamber)
1 slot in secondary for TPRL
6 slots in flashbangs
2 slots in c2 (16 total c2 between all 4 AI)
2 slots in wedges (16 total wedges between all 4 AI)
& mirrorgun for them cos I like using m320 flash for myself

@surreal pelican well that is mostly for S ranks, for lethal I do go the staircase route sometimes cos its easier with lethal, but less lethal however, if you encounter suspects in the kitchen/living while you're on top, it's annoying to secure or even get them to move to you especially if there are multiple suspects

[surreal pelican]

I see, I already beat everything on S and Hard so I'm just revising old maps for lethal fun lol

Staircase route as in taking the open air bridge thing at the second floor with the staircase to the first right?

[rocky plover]

cos if you just go those main stairs, you are exposed, from literally everywhere, but if I go there, I don;t go fully downstairs, instead I head completely straight and clear where the loud music is at and where the pc and harddrives are location then I either go down from garden side or from the side where to leads you to the cinema part

[jolly verge]

I did not play the game for 8 months, i can't tell you what im not sure about

[rocky plover]

haha no worries, was joking with you 😉

[surreal pelican]

Me too, I just ask my AI to use launcher to flashbang then I also chuck a nade down to the first floor

Then after that I just cherry pick any guards that are on the first floor via free lean peeking over the walkway then continuing straight onto voll room

[rocky plover]

yea with lethal it's easy to kill them when you're above them, they have shit aim from below, the worst thing than can happen is though if you encounter most of them being on the top side, and others come from the adjacing rooms and from below at the same time lol

[surreal pelican]

Yea

I think the reason why I got so fucked up at VoTD initially with the M1014 is probably because I had this mindset of like

Well, the shotgun having shit ass range (blame other FPS games for the MK Ultra ass brainwashing they did to me lol)

And maybe I guess also overestimating myself with the shotgun thinking I'm invincible with the steel and M1014

[rocky plover]

shotguns in this game have very good range, I have no problems using buckshot on Port lol

[surreal pelican]

After dying endlessly, I switched to Port to get a better feel of the M1014 and the range and then I went back to VoTD

I guess it takes time to get used to the shotgun coz I've been running AR throughout my 100+ hours

But either way, I love the shotgun

[rocky plover]

might require an extra shot or 2 because some pellets might miss, but still very good considering 1 shot is 8 pellets and around 4 pellets (on most maps on standard) is enough to kill on limbs or unarmored torso

[cedar mulch]

If Los Locos opted for FAL or M16A4 AKS74U at the Post Office like the old hotel, it might prove more interesting.

[surreal pelican]

Yup, I had no issues with it on Port kinda, I also had my AI teammates as backup

[rocky plover]

ye they're very OP, don't need precise aim either when using buckshot which is why i prefer it over slugs, slugs kinda defeat the purpose for using shotguns imo, cos might as well use rifles at that point

[surreal pelican]

3 ARN and 1 M1014 is what my team carries

[surreal pelican]

I've been running buckshot and it slaps harder than when judge slaps the head of suspects

[rocky plover]

🤣

[cedar mulch]

Los Locos' selection of assault rifles is limited to the MK18, M4A1, AKM and AK103. I believe their weaponry should be more diverse.

[surreal pelican]

Probs coz of their budget or something

[cedar mulch]

They don't seem to be short on funds, judging by that level in DLC1. They ought to have plenty of money, but they're being extremely conservative, barely touching any other long-range weapons.

[surreal pelican]

Or maybe balancing wise?

[surreal pelican]

Solo? 👀

[rocky plover]

right now?

[surreal pelican]

Nah I mean like when you did it

[rocky plover]

yea

[surreal pelican]

God damn

For me I had full AI with me too and they had 3 ARN and 1 M1014 when I did port

[rocky plover]

i kinda prefer solo than with AI most of the times, because I can sneak easier and manage suspect stress way better than with AI plus I hate babysitting them

[quasi coral]

That's the craziest loadout combo I've ever seen on Port

[surreal pelican]

Nice, well if the M1014 and shotgun category in general served well in Port then I think it shouldn't be a issue for me even on GP

[surreal pelican]

That's my standard go to

[rocky plover]

ye it's good on both cos both are unarmored, I however avoid it a bit on VoTD cos some have L2 there

[surreal pelican]

How does it fare against L3 or even L4?

[rocky plover]

well as long as you hit limbs it shouldnt make much of a difference, but I don't risk it so only use shotguns on maps where they are unarmored or have L1 armor, for L2 and above I use other stuff

[jolly verge]

Even if they armored stagger chance is very high (90% per pellet)

[rocky plover]

true, but I still kinda avoid it for the most part

[jolly verge]

Just aim at the chest area and pellets will hit both head and arms

[surreal pelican]

I see

For me I don't bother really swapping out stuff coz I go by one size fits all, if it don't work on their armour I just aim for head afterwards

[rocky plover]

ye but I just wanna kill them with 1 shot if possible right there and then, so I pretty much only use shotguns for up to L1, for L2 I go with MP7 with JHP, and for L3A I use ARN-180 with JHP

[cedar mulch]

I suspect 7.62×51 firearms are rather scarce, mostly older models; LL probably wouldn't deign to use them

[surreal pelican]

Yup

[surreal pelican]

I just use ARN with JHP, one stop solution until I encounter Quadamah

Can't kill him, can't magdump too much to the point where he die

(neon)

[rocky plover]

yea same most of the time, since its a versatile and good one for pretty much all the maps except 3, but I do like to switch to MP7 with JHP for maps with only up to L2 armor

[surreal pelican]

Damn.. you actually switch weapons depending on enemy armour count? 😭 I can't be assed to do that

I use what feels nice to use and the sound

[surreal pelican]

Elephant, Neon (Quadamah) and..?

[rocky plover]

I mean not that hard, like I explained yesterday, I have 1 rifle loadout (ARN with JHP which i use for maps up to L3), 1 smg loadout (MP7 with JHP which i use for maps up to L2 armor), 1 shotgun loadout (rn 590m with buckshot which i use for maps up to L1 armor) and another rifle loadout (5.56 rifle with AP)

[rocky plover]

elephant, leviathan, sins of the father

on neon i use arn180 with jhp cos only quadamah has L4 and he's supposed to be taken alive or incapped at least and on lawmaker there is only 1 suspect with L4 so shouldnt be a problem either

[late prism]

You guys swap ammo types?

[rocky plover]

not rly, cos they're saved in presets already so only switch preset

[late prism]

I just use AP, I know it's not as effective if they aren't wearing armour but a 7.62 is a 7.62 it works enough.

[surreal pelican]

All the suspects there have L4?

[rocky plover]

elephant ye, others mixed

[surreal pelican]

L4 on elephant is brutal

[late prism]

Swapping ammo types mid mission is just really really unappealing to me for whatever reason, changing it based on the mission we're playing is just a meh thing I can't be bothered to do.

[rocky plover]

well that means on limbs you might need to shoot double the shots than if you were using JHP

[late prism]

Or just like, ventilate their skulls.

[jolly verge]

You need AP only on 3 missions, on other 23 missions use JHP

[rocky plover]

thats why .300Blackout JHP is very versatile and can be used for all maps in the game except 3 maps rn

[surreal pelican]

This

Imma try doing Sins of the Father with the M1014, see how that works out with Buckshot

[late prism]

Getting hit in the face with a 7.62 tends to disagree with most peoples health

-# this then becomes problematic when I proceed to accidentally dome the HVT we need alive

[rocky plover]

i mean only 4 suspects (or 5 on hard), i dont even use a weapon there lol, a m320 launcher is enough XD

[surreal pelican]

There's 5 on hard?

[rocky plover]

yep

[surreal pelican]

Oh

[rocky plover]

that's what presets are for tbh, very quick to switch, plus as aspid said, only 3 maps require AP, when using .300blackout or higher calibers

[thick dome]

I just use 300 AP as default and let it fly.

I shoot through doors and walls a fair amount

[dreamy glacier]

i would love suspects to stop groaning/moaning when they're dead

i dont mind it if they're incapacitated, but when they are dead or when u double tap them if they still are grunting this is just annoying and unrealistic

[late prism]

Mate I don’t think they’re dead if they’re still complaining

[dreamy glacier]

i can empty a full mag in their head and sometimes they still going at it

[late prism]

You sure they were the ones making a noise and not someone else that wasn’t dead?

[dreamy glacier]

100% sure

[frail pier]

When "good" update?

[rocky plover]

[simple dirge]

Guys, sorry to interrupt you but I'm going crazy...any hints to S rank Dorms? Everyone is ok, non lethal everywhere, and still getting A+ ....what the heck am I missing? 🥲

[rocky plover]

did you get the soft objective?

also never force end the game (with the vote system) when doing S-ranks, that means that you did not get everything and you missed something

[simple dirge]

exactly, I am in the scenario that the game is paused, and writing you because I am not completing the mission without the S-Rank today! 😄

[rocky plover]

if everything is perfect and secured, most likely you're missing soft objectives

[simple dirge]

I know that all the objectives are "green" and nobody got killed, everything secured, everything non lethal....already sent the whole team to "search and secure".......BUT NO S RANK HAPPENING

[rocky plover]

soft objectives are not visible on tablet, they are hidden objectives basically

[simple dirge]

yep, I really cannot understand what is this "soft objective" missing, 0/1

[rocky plover]

they only come visible after you get them

so there is only 1 on dorms, go 2nd floor, it's at the back of the map, drugs on the podium or whatever it's called

[simple dirge]

Jesus Christ

Full Metal, you made my day

I don't know what you are saying but I understood that I have to find a shitty place on the second floor ❤️ !

[rocky plover]

[thick dome]

unlisted objectives is dumb.

[simple dirge]

utterly

thanks guys, I'm going to patrol that second floor like a prick and let you know

[rocky plover]

idk how to explain it better, find the podium looking thing in 1 of the rooms located on the 2nd floor, it's a weird looking room so you shouldn't miss it

has a shitton of candles in it

[simple dirge]

Already have some ideas, don't worry you provided my the light at the end of the tunnel

gonna smoke a cigarette and drink a glass of wine knowing there is an effing shitty little thing on the second floor that will save all my applied strategy to the mission. I am in heaven.

[rocky plover]

it's basically directly facing the hallway not in the side rooms

[whole plume]

Rust belt on Hard is remarkably hard compared to Standard, more-so than other missions

[whole plume]

Easily Countered by the MK17 or SA-58

Just shoot on sight and kill them with one

[rocky plover]

It's 2 shots on elephant even on standard

[simple dirge]

Got it. thanks. Really

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[dapper granite]

Tried S ranking Narcos on hard after doing hide and seek for the past like week and literally got it first time lol

[rocky plover]

Nice. Steel doing miracles? 😁

[dapper granite]

Went to do it again solo with lethals after and beat that first try too

With steel armor yes xD

[rocky plover]

Nice congrats

[dapper granite]

Also does the ai on hard deliberately aim for the head more or is that just luck

I don't remember the last time I lost a helmet on standard but on hard it happens more often

[tacit gull]

Yes

[rocky plover]

Could be, I always get shot on arms and legs mostly 🤣

[dapper granite]

Lspd gonna go bankrupt from buying new helmets after every mission

[rocky plover]

🤣

[dapper granite]

Actually if they're already defunded how much are they even paying judge and the rest of the team if they have to spend so much money on equipment all the time

[vestal mauve]

A full time SWAT officer costs a department six figures
A helmet is a grand and a half lol

[dapper granite]

I don't think lspd has that much money anyway ngl

[vestal mauve]

That's why you get four officers

[dapper granite]

Even if they weren't spending so much on equipment they probably wouldn't have enough to fully pay judge, let alone the rest of the PD

[vestal mauve]

Yeah SWAT IRL is insanely expensive

[dapper granite]

Of course, with the shit they have to deal with they at least gotta be getting paid a lot

[rich patio]

Judge is technically an LSIA operative (or so its hinted according to Shane.) His promotion was also likely fast tracked, and he is probably a subject of the uncorruptable police experiment. I wouldn't be surprised if theyre helping fund the LSPD slightly for Judges behalf. (Dont quote me though, I mess up game lore a lot)

The experiment theory makes sense as judge, unlike his team, never takes breaks, never gets affected by missions.

Theory also makes sense as despite Judge wanting to help the women in "hide and seek" he still follows orders to close and secure the doors.

(Though this could also be because he was threatened)

[stone bay]

Judge is a robot 😰

[rich patio]

The left hand infiltrated the LSPD

[rich patio]

We know about the experiment through things dropped around the game, though the way judge acts, and how he got to where he was in the department so fast implies he may be a subject kf the experiment

[dapper granite]

that was FISA that told him to close the doors, not the USIA

but yeah the sleeper agent theroy makes sense

I really hope they continue with that story line

[rich patio]

As well as the guy who attacked the LSPD station (forget his name) and lured D platoon to his house

He was also ex FISA or USIA, potentially having worked with judge

It would make sense

[dapper granite]

3 letter triad doesnt even have to be the first mission to start it out since in universe theres been a year and a half long time jump inbetween home invasion and dark waters

they could easily fit more missions that deal with that in that time

the MLO thing and all

[rich patio]

Ready or Not is interesting. I really want to learn more about the general world

Like the debanco strikes and stuff. Among other small thinfs

Not just about judge and the LSPD

[rich patio]

For sure. I still got a few unanswered questions regarding the theory

[dapper granite]

yeah but judge's lore has been kinda lacking throughout the story, probably on purpose

[rich patio]

Emphasises the confidentiality of Judges background

[dapper granite]

3 letter triad pointing at the sleeper agent thing WITH the MLO being present there too cannot be a coincidence

if you take a look at all the missions in the game there are basically 2 or 3 different story lines to follow

Los Locos is the first one but I dont think that's too important anyway its kinda just a cartel

unless theres something I'm missing

then theres the human trafficking circle (the spider) which ends at hide and seek

the other missions that deal with the left behind and the hand dont really fit into these larger storylines

they're like their own thing

and the third big storyline I could see happening could actually be dealing with the USIA, MLO and judge

[rich patio]

Thats interesting. I like how the missions all link up to that moment. For example we see port hokan trucks at the car dealership, and shredded evidence. Looking at the computers on the hide and seek level we can see employees and members a like threatening others tk keep their mouths shut

[dapper granite]

yeah all of that basically starts with michael getting swatted by a viewer xD

[rich patio]

I remember when I first played. I thought it would be simple, went in through the middle. Ended up getting fired upon left right and centre 😂

[rich patio]

I didnt look much into the left behind if I'm honest

[dapper granite]

one thing that's kind of interesting though is that the soundtracks for Lawmaker and Leviathan call back to the missions with the left behind

makes me think the left behind and the UPF activists are connected

[rich patio]

I liked listening to the 911 calls for Greased Palms and ends of the earth. I might be wrong but to my knowledge im pretty sure FISA agent Adams reported the illegal weapons manufacturering

Likely because they were taking business.

Also the gas station is really filled with lots of lore. We see a member of the left behind, we see general lore of the world around, bith on signage, and graffiti

The garbage buildup in some missions due to the garbage people going on strike. The small details

[dapper granite]

I remember a theory about the gas station robbery secretly being an assassination of the store manager

like an inside job thing

[rich patio]

How so?

The briefing tells us these people are just street level thugs high kn drugs, robbing a gas station

[dapper granite]

but that might've been an early access thing only, they might've changed it in 1.0

could just be a normal robbery now idk

[rich patio]

I never saw anything linking the manager to anything important 😂

[rich patio]

That makes sense. What in the early access made you think this way?

[rocky plover]

I don't follow the lore that deeply, I thought the store manager was just collateral when things escalated (being caught calling the cops) but I might be wrong.

[rich patio]

Given these were thugs high on drugs, unable to really control a gas station filled with people, as suggested by D Platoon showing up, they killed him because he got out of line

[rocky plover]

Yea, but didn't he get killed mid call conversation, so before cops showed up? I think.

[rich patio]

Yes, he was. Again, due to sloppy planning and being unable to control their crowd. That's how he was likely able to make the call

We can tell by their outfits it wasn't really planned. Theyre using bags as makeshift vests

[rocky plover]

Yeah on that I agree and it also makes sense

[dapper granite]

he had like a framed honorable discharge letter on his wall, meaning he could've been a vietnam war veteran, which is kinda important to the lore because theres also another theory that the US won the vietnam war in this universe. But essentially it's got something to do with mk ultra. Basically the theory was the USIA wanted to get rid of him because he might've known or saw something in the war, so they paid off some junkies with drugs to go rob the gas station he worked at knowing they'd probably kill him

I think in 1.0 they changed that honorable discharge paper to just some award to his business

was a pretty interesting theory tho

[solemn fossil]

This game was abandoned

[rich patio]

Yeah im pretty sure its just a business award now

[rich patio]

That sounds really cool. They shouldve kept that!!!

Neon Tomb is interesting too

We see the doors on the inside padlocked shut, implying they had someone kn the inside

We also get the implification that the club had too many patrons inside

Same for relapse. Likely how they got the scrubs. But then I also question what happened to the police officer kn the hospital. It suggests there was one as we see a badge and ID on a seat

[dapper granite]

also as far as we know the hand successfully rescued their leader in relapse so they could still be out there, idk why we havent gotten like a third mission dealing with them

[rich patio]

We go into the hospital and secure them im pretty sure

We stop their plan

[dapper granite]

that was a different guy

[rich patio]

Ah, my apologies

Maybe future content?

[dapper granite]

hopefully

[rich patio]

What makes you say that?

[rocky plover]

Quadamah is the one in neon tomb, while Zahir is the one in relapse

Also there's a guard and a civ in the same holding cell with Zahir

[dapper granite]

I said this before but theres a cool map on mod.io rn where you have to clear out the old dilapidated police station from early access, with the hand being the enemy again. The story the dev made up for it and the overall concept sounded pretty cool, wouldn't mind seeing that as an official thing either

[rich patio]

Could you send me a link to the map?

[dapper granite]

are you on pc or console

[rich patio]

PC

[surreal merlin]

it's called homeland afaik

[dapper granite]

you can just go to the mods tab in game and you can find it there

[dapper granite]

^

[rich patio]

Oh right . I got nexus and mod io confused

[solemn fossil]

There’s been no patches/hot fixes in awhile game still feels a little broken compared to how it was before 1.0

[dapper granite]

they are working on a patch coming with the next update

[rocky plover]

Most likely patch and update coming together

[dapper granite]

I'd hope they would do these patches more regularly instead of just 1 or 2 of them after a big update and then nothing until the next one comes

bugs are something you gotta fix periodically

[rocky plover]

Yeah, gotta fix what's broken before you introduce new stuff

[rich patio]

I prefer a slow perfect product over a rushed janky one

[rocky plover]

Yeah agree

That's why fixes before new content

[dapper granite]

the gas effect and graphics have been bugged since the console release update, they said they're gonna fix them in the next big update but why wait until then

[rocky plover]

who knows

[jolly verge]

Yeah modders will be very happy with regular updates

[dapper granite]

I guess you're right but there arent that many mods out rn anyway and there hasnt been an update to the game in months

I've tried looking for modded maps on both mod.io and nexus and I could find like 3 total

[rich patio]

P A Y D A Y is a great kne. Based on the North Hollywood shootout

[rocky plover]

That might be true on modio, there are a lot of mods on nexus however

But sadly many mods as well weren't updated to the latest patch

[spark kite]

Nearly finished with my road to the devs ruined watch, does the bug still exist on Xbox?

[rich patio]

Maple Valley highschool was one of my favourites till it was taken down

[dapper granite]

there NEEDS to be an official bank robbery mission in the game PLEASE VOID IM BEGGING YOu

[jolly verge]

Gas nerf is intended, you can revert it with a mod, as for graphics bug it's already partially fixed

[dapper granite]

how was it intended?

it's practically useless now and doesnt even work unless the suspect is literally standing on top of it

[rocky plover]

There's so much that they can do, hostage situation in bank robbery, active shooter in an embassy, mall, cinema/theatre etc....

[rich patio]

Gas used to be great. Now I just use stingers and flashbangs

[rocky plover]

I think because it was super op, they wanted to nerf it a little to balance it with flash and stingers and they went too far then lol

[jolly verge]

Nerf is intended, the values they set up for it were not tested at all

[dapper granite]

pepper spray is more useful than a gas grenade atp

[rich patio]

What would be interesting is in (a DLC maybe) having patrol officer levels. Uniforms n stuff, and having to clear missions with the limited equipment

[dapper granite]

so it's not supposed to be this way

[rich patio]

Aint no one using pepper spray

Not touched that since SWAT 4 when I would pepper spray on the old woman in the fairfax residence

(If you know you know)

[rocky plover]

Yeah

Pepper spray was so op before, could solo maps with just that before xD while taser was useless, it's now the opposite

[jolly verge]

Even if they up range or stun damage a bit or even revert old one M32A1 is still gonna be far better

[junior palm]

I need this new update, console version of Ron has gone to shit

[rich patio]

"Dont want to put your hands up? Cool.. TASER TASER TASER!"

[dapper granite]

btw why isnt there a m32 that shoots stingers?

[rich patio]

Ive noticed it takes do many beanbags to stop a suspect now

[rocky plover]

Probably because they could kill if spammed

[jolly verge]

There is no point in 40mm stingers, the do have exact same stats as 40mm flash

[jolly verge]

Well that would require quite a lot of 40mm ammo

[rocky plover]

Yea but even if they are injured previously from something else

[dapper granite]

but the other launcher that you have in your long equipment slot has a stinger variant

[jolly verge]

1066 of 40mm to just incap

[dapper granite]

for consistency reasons it'd make sense to have a m32 one as well

[rocky plover]

Ye agree and what's even funny is they have same range while the hand thrown version have different range

[jolly verge]

Yes, which does the same thing as flash

[rocky plover]

Launcher wise flash is better than stinger anyways

[jolly verge]

But you can't reduce it's effect with goggles

[dapper granite]

soo then why even have the stinger variant of either one at all?

either add both of them or neither it doesnt make sense

[rocky plover]

Yea agree xD

For the sake of uniformity

[jolly verge]

To troll people so they would thing that one is better than another

[rocky plover]

Id still use the flash variant anyways either way, much more pro's than the stinger variant

[dapper granite]

I still dont even exactly know what makes stingers different from flashes anyway but I use both xD

[rocky plover]

Launcher wise they're same range, hand thrown ones range is slightly different

Id still choose flash though even for hand thrown

[jolly verge]

Ignore gas text

[rocky plover]

Bounce and roll around less, easier to throw cos they are thinner, safer (even though deaths by stinger practically never happy but play it safe),

Won't friend fire, can be used more aggressively with goggles especially (with stingers you'd get disoriented yourself)

Amongst other things....

[dapper granite]

this just makes it seem like stingers are better than flashes

[rocky plover]

That's their only advantage tbh, better range

But launcher variant are both 10m

[jolly verge]

Range and morale damage wise yeah

[dapper granite]

so whats the downside, or how are they different exactly

I know the goggles dont protect you from stingers but thats not really a problem if you throw them properly

[rocky plover]

What I mentioned above pretty much

But then again it's down to personal preference too

And playstyle

They should make them stun for different amount of time not both the same

To offer variety

[dapper granite]

I've been realizing this game has terrible balancing these past few days xD

[jolly verge]

Always been

[rocky plover]

Haha

[dapper granite]

"here we'll give you this one thing, but then heres another thing thats functionally the same but better but we wont tell you that so you'll be gaslighting yourself thinking this one's better even tho it's not"

[jolly verge]

Especially when some gameplay mechanics are bugged, damage cap on armor as example

[late birch]

anyone else having issues with having 3+ player lobbies?

[rocky plover]

What kind of issues

[late birch]

"failed to connect to the host"

[jolly verge]

Console?

[late birch]

yut

[jolly verge]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/921527871619620914

[late birch]

i can only get 2 people in lobby, then it hits anyone else with that error

[rocky plover]

Console to console? If not check if cross play is enabled

[late birch]

console to PC, and its enabled

[jolly verge]

Pretty sure devs aware of this, idk if there a fix or temporal solution for it

[rocky plover]

That's weird if it happens after 2 people, personally never encountered it

[late birch]

well damnit

[dapper granite]

didnt know dorms has traps on hard xD

[rocky plover]

yea weird when considering the mission scenario and suspect types XD

[rocky plover]

isn't range the only difference? afaik morale and stress wise they're the same

[dapper granite]

weird glitch just happened, I arrested everyone on dorms but failed the arrest 5 suspects objective?

I would've gotten an S rank if it counted what

[rocky plover]

wtf? that's weird

[jolly verge]

Stinger deal more health damage (27 vs 0.05 flash) and morale damage (0.5 vs 0.43 flash)

[jolly verge]

You sure you arrested them alive?

Not dead/incapacitated

[dapper granite]

I had non lethals only xD

flash launcher and tasers

[rocky plover]

ik bout the health, hmm there's another minor mistake in the spreadsheet then cos morale is listed the same there

[jolly verge]

Still have a score screen?

[dapper granite]

right I could've taken a screenshot of the score mb

[jolly verge]

The values in spreadsheet are from aidatatable, so not all of them accurate

[rocky plover]

oh ok i see, thanks

[dapper granite]

maybe one of the suspects shot themselves and i just didnt notice

but wait that still doesnt make sense

I definitely arrested more than 5

[jolly verge]

I will test all of them and ask MMMM to set correct values, but only on next vacation, which is in 6 months

[rocky plover]

when this happens always check individual score (the score near suspect secured) if total value divided by 35 does not match the suspect count then not all were alive

[dapper granite]

still, if theres 15 suspects on dorms and I somehow didnt even arrest 5 of them I probably would've known xD

[wild agate]

How am I supposed to clear a mission and arrest 3 suspects if 8 suspects are all on the hallway emptying full mags on me

[rocky plover]

since incap/death is 5 points while alive is 35

[rocky plover]

yeah true thats just weird

[jolly verge]

M32A1, grenades, negotiator trait, you have bunch of tools to do it

[wild agate]

There's no time literally when 8 people is shooting at you

[dapper granite]

at once? damn, bro is getting jumped

execution via firing squad

[rocky plover]

ye no worries bro, was just curious, probably won't make me switch to stingers anyway

[wild agate]

Yes

I'm replaying ides of march for the 6th time and all the suspects are stacked and shooting

[rocky plover]

wtf 8 can be all the suspects that can spawn in that mission, how are you encountering them all at once lol

[wild agate]

Idk

[dapper granite]

"open the window judge" 💀

[wild agate]

I think my game is effed

[rocky plover]

they might have some serious communications and are fucking with you LOL

[dapper granite]

TOC sold him out

[jolly verge]

More likely confusing 2 suspects with 8 because of suppression effect blur

[rocky plover]

🤣

[rocky plover]

hahaha probably

[wild agate]

nope

[dapper granite]

chat thoughts on the SPC9

[rocky plover]

mini minigun lol

[jolly verge]

1666 fire rate > JHP > aim for the legs

[restive oasis]

My image of me getting the lowest score possible was deleted.... why...

[dapper granite]

to me it seems like a really interesting gun but insanely impractical xD

[rocky plover]

it's nice but i'd choose the mpx over it, since it's the most similar to it, but better in some ways

[dapper granite]

mpx doesnt fire as fast tho

[rocky plover]

true, but still relatively fast

[restive oasis]

MPX is a nice gun, But doesnt always fit.

[dapper granite]

plus to me the mpx kinda just feels like an mp5 reskin

[rocky plover]

and almost identical platform and length

if i want high firerate (while still on 9mm), i'd go for mp9 and it's shorter as well

[dapper granite]

MP9 MENTIONED

[rocky plover]

but i'd still choose mp7 over all of the smg's XD

[dapper granite]

goated weapon

[rocky plover]

not that im hating on the spc9 by any means btw, it's just that eh... burns ammo too fast too xD

[jolly verge]

Shooting near suspect will zero their morale in nanoseconds

[dapper granite]

pretty cool but still you could just shoot AT them instead xD

[rocky plover]

lmfao, 'out of flashbangs' "hold my beer i have ammo"

[jolly verge]

They dying too fast

[rocky plover]

i saw it, looked nothing wrong with it (apart from F rank :P), idk why it was removed tbh

[jolly verge]

You can't post screens with a bunch of killed civilians

[rocky plover]

ah

[dapper granite]

can my guy stop flashing me with his launcher he's done it 3 times this mission already 😭

S ranked all of home invasion on hard, now onto dark waters

not looking forward to 3 letter triad

[rocky plover]

nice, good luck they get slightly harder now especially 3LT

[dapper granite]

laser accuracy on leviathan is gonna be a pain

[valid raven]

it would be nice if you could dump ammo into a dump pouch and load it onto a clip to refill mags

[rocky plover]

ye i kinda hate that map

[valid raven]

They make clips to reload mags faster then one at a time

[rocky plover]

true even zero hour has that

[spark kite]

Hey, random question rq. Was the devs ruined watch bug ever fixed?

[jolly verge]

What bug

[rocky plover]

I think he means when they finish ironman mode and they get the 2 achievements unlocked but the watch doesn't which isn't exactly a bug, but incorrect description, which makes them not meet the criteria for it

[keen stag]

hello,. when is the next update

[rocky plover]

[keen stag]

how soon

[rocky plover]

no certain dates yet

[keen stag]

approx dates?

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

neither, but they've been working on it for quite some time now... plus hotfixes are due as well, so hopefully soon

[keen stag]

thanks papa

[rocky plover]

👍

[keen stag]

sorry for the bother, its just the game gets old after youve S tiered every single mission and completed 100% of acheivements

[rocky plover]

yea agree with you, i'm in kinda the same boat rn

[keen stag]

let me know if you need help getting to 100%

[rocky plover]

but I like helping new players with it, keeps me coming back

i 100% everything as quickly as stuff came out XD but thanks

even made myself suffer and got all maps S ranked on HARD mode

[keen stag]

based

[rocky plover]

or a masochist 🤣

[rocky plover]

have you tried mods? helps a bit with variety after completing everything

[cedar mulch]

The LL storyline and the Spider Organisation can essentially be considered part of the same narrative arc, given that the car dealership also features them. It is worth noting that Marcial Ortega from Narcos is actually wanted by the USIA, though the reasons for this remain unclear.

During the DLC1 period at the police station, Marcial Ortega was specifically marked with a USIA wanted notice. Eduardo was not.

[stoic thistle]

I wonder how the new DLC will build on this arc. What with the chemical weapon deal being broken up.

[solemn patio]

I wish the benelli and beretta had flipped stats lowkey

[solemn patio]

Vro a civ of mine has hearing loss he keeps saying what did you say LOL

[dapper granite]

I've been saying that 3 letter triad could maybe even be one of the later missions in this storyline, since it takes place 1 year and a half after home invasion

They could probably make more missions leading up to 3LT that take place in-between these 2 dlcs

Since I find it kinda weird that all the other missions have at most a couple months in-between them but then suddenly dark waters is so far off into the future

Also what about the new governor elections

[cedar mulch]

I believe it can be understood that Judge and his team have indeed suppressed the rampant criminal activities to such an extent that the area has remained peaceful for over a year.

[chilly thorn]

I wonder how the MLO will behave

like in combat and personality once we eventually interact with them as suspcets

like their dialouge.

[cedar mulch]

Following severe blows, those criminal organisations may well be lying low to regroup. For Judge and his squad are simply too formidable.

[chilly thorn]

I doubt an organization like black sentinal are scared of judges team in general as its just cops, More likely scared of the cops and government finding out about them.

[cedar mulch]

I reckon it's just a beefed-up version of the Black Sentinel.

Perhaps some aspects could be strengthened, but that is all.

[quasi coral]

For how big the map is, the shotgun is a very interesting choice I'd say

[cedar mulch]

Organisations like LL TH UPF are no different; they are simply mad.

[chilly thorn]

Im talking personality wise as well

like how will they communicate with each other what will they say during combat what will they say when you arrest them

[dapper granite]

shotgun for hide and seek is actually really good

maybe even better than a lot of rifles

[quasi coral]

Really now?

I've gotta try this

[dapper granite]

unarmored suspects, just take buckshot and it's really easy

even on hard, where they can tank one shot from 7.62, one buckshot round is enough to kill a suspect

[cedar mulch]

The Russian mafia supplied Los Locos with modified weapons, while their own equipment was a complete shambles.

😋

[surreal pelican]

Just 3 shots and precise aim (shit I even was using the flashlight lol)

[quasi coral]

Damn, maybe I've been severely underestimating the shotgun

[quasi coral]

[surreal pelican]

Yup

[dapper granite]

shotguns are pretty op throughout the whole game tbh

[cedar mulch]

I hope they release a PvP mode next year so we can play with suspect weapons.

[torpid onyx]

against l3/l4 armour though buckshot does nothing and just forces a stagger

it atleast means you can usually get a lethal shot off but hitting that vest does nothing but stagger

[quasi coral]

Like an offensive stun gun

Well, it's useful so, I see why

🗣️🗣️ ⁉️⁉️

[dapper granite]

yeah buckshot isnt really effective against armor, slug is a little better against low tier vests though

or you could cheese it and just aim for the limbs with buckshot anyway but thats a little trickier

[quasi coral]

I tried slug and buckshot in Elephant, those are L4 vest if I remember correctly

They, did not do jackshit

[dapper granite]

yeah L4 vests are kinda too much for the shotguns

[quasi coral]

Yeah, that's the only problem shotguns face

But other then that, shotguns do very well for everything else

[dapper granite]

delimbing still instakills though so if you aim for their legs or arms you can just bypass the armor with buckshot

[quasi coral]

Had it on my point man throughout my campaign run

[quasi coral]

Oh yea, definitely, sometimes it's a little hard to do that though

Maybe I should use the stagger time to take aim

[dapper granite]

you could, but at that point just use a rifle

ap rounds and aim center mass

which shotgun do you like the most btw

[quasi coral]

M1014

I'm more of a military guy, so I often use the more "military" classed weapons

[quasi coral]

The intended, and best way

[dapper granite]

solid, I'm pretty sure the other semi-auto shotgun has like one extra round in the tube so technically it's better but I don't think it looks better than the m1014

out of the pumps I like the supernova the most

[torpid onyx]

the m1014 kicks like a mule

b13 is way more manageable

[dapper granite]

really? I found the recoil on them pretty much identical

so I just picked the m1014 because it looks better imo xD

[quasi coral]

I'll never know because my AI with shotguns will always perform better than me

[dapper granite]

oh yeah now that I'm testing it the b13 really has lower recoil

by like a lot

[quasi coral]

Bollocks

[dapper granite]

even the fire rate seems to be faster

[cedar mulch]

VOID could produce several more faction promotional videos, much like the old MLO videos.

[dapper granite]

I'm still sticking with the m1014 tho, just because of the looks

[quasi coral]

I'll stick to the M1014 though, just because it looks way better(personally)

[cedar mulch]

After all, we know far too little about certain organisations.

[dapper granite]

yeaaaaah great minds think alike

[dapper granite]

that's including the MLO xD

[quasi coral]

Agreed

[quasi coral]

The GA416 effect I see

[dapper granite]

nvm the fire rate is exactly the same

[dapper granite]

ehh, I dropped the GA416 because the recoil is too high tho so

[quasi coral]

Thank god

[dapper granite]

but there are other "meta" weapons I dont use like the ARN or F90 just because I dont really like how they look

[quasi coral]

I want to continue using it but if I use the combat grip, the thumb clips into the PEQ-15 I have on(I have high ready so it's very noticeable..)

[quasi coral]

We are on the same side I suppose

The ARN is bearable just because it's a MLOK AR-15

[dapper granite]

it's a little too boxy for me

also it's loud as fuck

[quasi coral]

You won't ever see me using it though, AI gets it

[quasi coral]

Definitely does feel a little boxy

And, personally, I love the loud gun sounds

Heck I even increase my PC volume to high settings just so I get that ear piercing immersion

[dapper granite]

I dont have suppressors on any of the guns I use but some weapons are just too loud

[quasi coral]

SA-58

[dapper granite]

SA-58 is one of those but it's appropriate

[quasi coral]

I have surpressors on most of my guns, occassionally I'll remove them because it's more cool to have gunfire raining

[quasi coral]

Mhm, I mean it's a 7.62 short barreled rifle

Although, the ARN is loud because I assume the short barrel does it's thing

[dapper granite]

but like the M14 is even louder imo

and the new shotgun with the magazine

I tried using that for hide and seek and got my eardrums blown out

[tidal sleet]

the new shotgun is pretty quiet to me then again my hearing is already shot from actual guns

[surreal pelican]

Do y'all use the USP or the Five Seven?

[tidal sleet]

Glock 19

[dapper granite]

both

if I had to pick I'd probably choose the USP tho

[tidal sleet]

only pistols I’ll use is the Glock and 1911 in 45

[dapper granite]

I like the glock too, for 9mm I'm more of a beretta 92 guy tho

only quality the 1911 has imo is the looks and animations though

7 rounds isn't a lot, and the USP has 12 so

[torpid onyx]

the 1911 is so ass 🥀

[tidal sleet]

I mean if we get a Glock 40 we could have a 10mm pistol

[torpid onyx]

or the fn510

[dapper granite]

looks hot tho you cant disagree with that

[tidal sleet]

I mean if we get a pistol in 10mm we can have another option that has good stopping power for handguns

[surreal pelican]

I like the USP look and feel

[tidal sleet]

I don’t use the USP much, when I do I always put a suppressor on it due to it looking cursed without one

[dapper granite]

trueee

USP with suppressor only

[tidal sleet]

might be from me playing CS:GO

[dapper granite]

same

mine looks exactly the same as the one from cs, round suppressor and ironsights xD

even tho the boxy one is apparently better

doesnt look as good

[tidal sleet]

Yeah

[dapper granite]

for me its always looks over efficiency

unless it's the 1911 xD I can appreciate how good it looks I just dont wanna use it

[mellow zenith]

I know it’s a stupid question but I wanna know if someone would know, for the next update that we’re gonna get when will that be coming?

[rustic lotus]

i love mods having a desert eagle is hilarious

[dapper granite]

Early next year I think

[lost inlet]

sorry but USP looks better than both 1911s.

[mellow zenith]

Ah okay thank you

[deft star]

can anyone explain how dispatch pulled off the R rating and still pulled off being so successful but ready or not was hesitant to follow suit to be rated 18+

[cedar mulch]

Why has VOID produced almost no left-wing terrorist organisations?

I feel that UPF is neither left-wing nor right-wing.

[tidal sleet]

We do not need that shit, only terror group that’s needed is The Hand. Also did you read the rules because it states no politics

[cedar mulch]

I'm referring to the game content, not the real-world kind.

The conversations Left Behind did indeed touch upon some pertinent matters, though I shan't elaborate on them here.

[gentle void]

Dark waters or home inv?

[rocky plover]

Around 20% lower than m1014

[velvet steeple]

I swear there’s an officer in commander mode with a mustache

[dim leaf]

Me and my friend finally just gone done with S rank hardmode duo all 18 levels

[rocky plover]

Fire rate is 330 for m1014 Vs 340 for b1301 so not a big difference

[velvet steeple]

I just fired one that basically had Eli’s head cause they had an ass trait and now I can’t find another

[dim leaf]

I think oil rig ones count

[rocky plover]

Reload wise m1014 is much faster too and aesthetically nicer

[quasi coral]

I have a critique about the game regarding the cosmetics

Nothing bad about them, I love them but they aren't tactical enough(Dynamic and FPC Plate Carrier), but an actual issue would be the obviously inconsistent variants

Like for one, the FISA LB Vest has only 2 variants whilst the black and ranger green gets FOUR, not to mention ranger green has an odd variant that isn't in black, but is present in the FISA variant

And then theres the camo variants, why is there desert camo for everything BUT the helmets 😭 (Tan doesn't count)

Definitely not a big issue but it has TOO much potential with how fun it is already

[lilac mural]

With you sins on that one. Also fine addition would be possibility to remove or add patches. Would be easier to larp and do other spec ops org builds rather than half of the helmets and vests having the police patch planted in them. Wish they would release the supporter items to be bought again or add least add more variants.

[maiden sequoia]

6 hard missions down

And a lot of officers who resigned or got murked

[surreal pelican]

Dark Waters for longer missions and larger maps

Home Invasion for shorter missions and shorter maps

Honestly I like both (Narcos from Home Invasion and Leviathan/3 Letter Triad from Dark Waters)

[cedar mulch]

Apart from Narcos, the other two maps in DLC1 are barely noticeable.

[quasi coral]

Patches, that's what I've been curious about for ages

I get the FBI patches on the FBI kits, but for the helmets like the Kosoku getting the American flag but the others getting police patches is very odd lol

If the supporter edition went out again, instant buy

But at this stage of the game, a lot of people would see it as a cash grab considering how big the game has gotten

[lilac mural]

Well hopefully they might consider adding those in the future updates. I get that the supporter edition was when success of the game was unsure, put then again launching on a whole new platforms could make sense to make it purchasable again. They haven’t added any cosmetics in a while.

[tacit gull]

Didn't the LSPD helmet have a desert variant?

[quasi coral]

It is Multicam

[quasi coral]

I suppose, I really do hope they consider the cosmetic potential in the future

[civic fiber]

they should add a item shop and in game currency

[tacit gull]

The day that happens is the day i never talk on here again

[tacit gull]

As for patches VOID has mentioned they were playing around with premade patches that you get from ranks like tattoos but i guess that hasn't gone anywhere

The old url based patch system was cooler

[rocky plover]

nah wtf fuck that

[civic fiber]

its a joke chill dawg

[rocky plover]

[quasi coral]

May the USIA have mercy on you

[quasi coral]

Hopefully it becomes a thing

[tacit gull]

Confirmed not happening again

[quasi coral]

The DPC feels so empty without a flag patch

[quasi coral]

Premade patch options specifically

[tacit gull]

You can get the tac tablet mod, it fits on it great

[quasi coral]

I'm too old for mods, that's a problem of my own though

[tacit gull]

you're never too old to make the game less mid

[quasi coral]

I suppose so my friend

[sturdy sigil]

Anyone know if the MP7 or MP9 is better to run on some of the later/DLC missions?

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission

[rocky plover]

well MP9 is 9x19mm so even with AP highest armor you can pierce is L2, while MP7 is 4.6x30mm and with AP highest armor you can pierce is L3, but still be careful because there's a few missions where they have L4 such as Leviathan

[sturdy sigil]

Ah ok.. haven’t played the Dark Waters missions yet so that’s good to note .. I did a run of the Home Invasion dlc and can’t beat the final one

[rocky plover]

Lawmaker? I find that easier than Narcos tbh, but in general Home Invasion missions are much easier than the Dark Waters missions.

[sturdy sigil]

Yeah that one.. I keep getting jumped by someone who’s completely out of sight, me and a friend cleared Narcos without any issues

[rocky plover]

Good luck, most likely you just got unlucky, personally if you can do Narcos, you can do Lawmaker, suspect count is roughly exactly the same and as a map Narcos is mostly exterior which makes it harder imho while Lawmaker is interior only.

[sudden ermine]

where could agent fisa adams be, i've searched everywhere and i doubt hes actually in the game

i've been on it for about 2 hours straight, and i can't seem to find him even in his common spots

literal chamelon

the bodies have decomposed and i still haven't found him

[rocky plover]

either in the FISA office, or upstairs in the offices, or near conveyor belt area, sometimes he can also be outside near the trucks

[sudden ermine]

fuck, i just found him

turns out he was dead inside a van outside

yet theres still one civillian left (?)

[rocky plover]

rip

[sudden ermine]

do civillians spawn outside in greasy palms?

[rocky plover]

yea

[sudden ermine]

jesus christ

[torpid onyx]

is he dead or incapped?

if the arrest objective is still incomplete then he's only incapped and you can cuff him and complete the obj, if the arrest objective is red he's long gone

[sudden ermine]

He was shot dead at the start of my playthrough

I had to tie him lmao

I was using echolocation to maybe trigger his voiceline

[lament thunder]

isit just me or is oil rig map kinda laggy?

[tough veldt]

Ah he probably shot himself

[sudden ermine]

I wish

[full shore]

I think home invasion is more vibe. Dark waters doesn't feel like RON. Except for the yacht map

[coarse osprey]

[final jacinth]

sup everyone! what advice can you give in using cs gas, stingers and flash grenades if im going on hard S rank?

[rocky plover]

Well cs gas is shit with the last patch, flash and stingers are almost the same and are pretty much personal preference, but even still I would suggest to use the m32a1 flash launcher and use all the slots for it

[final jacinth]

but isnt that a little cheating? cuz using 1 weapon for all the game just speedrunning it isnt fair imho, + yeah cs gas is now a broken garbage

so flashes stay the best grenades

[rocky plover]

If you ain't cheating you ain't trying hahaha on hard mode

You can use beanbag + flash/stingers if you want

[final jacinth]

yeah thats the classic method but it feels very hard, is shield useful?

im playing duo w my friend

[rocky plover]

It's the best method after the m32a1 flash launcher method

Cos pepper ball rifles are even worse on hard than standard

And ehhh with shield your forced to use the pepper ball pistol

Which isn't that good imo

[final jacinth]

it should be nerfed and cs gas should be buffed

[rocky plover]

Yeah idk why they nerfed CS gas

[final jacinth]

we already completed all missions before that mindjot office one

[rocky plover]

Like I agree it was too op, but they took it too far lol

[final jacinth]

we tried it for like 2 hours

[tacit gull]

That's up to the developers not to put broken fucking shit into the game

The game isn't really deep enough to deserve you respecting it so i'd say if you just wanna get good ranks go for it

Especially if you do ironman there's no point in using anything else

[final jacinth]

oh nah it was balanced well, it was used for zone control (like server room on mindjot lvl) or other big rooms but now its just straight on useless, like why the FUCK suspect isnt even coughing when the grenade just dropped under his own legs

[final jacinth]

nah, just S rank all missions on hard difficulty

[rocky plover]

It was still the best among the 3 choices, now it's the worst

[final jacinth]

i will still never use stingers lol

[rocky plover]

Ye I don't like them either

[tacit gull]

Applies to hard mode too tbh since AI can absolutely dome you instantly

[jolly verge]

It's wasn't balanced well

[tacit gull]

we dont do balancing at void

[final jacinth]

oh yeah i already saw that every time i play this game one or two suspects are just hit & running me

[final jacinth]

well maybe but it atleast felt fair at some point, now the new launchers just make the game feel unfair

like, i play w beanbag and supports but now everytime i die i think "i can just take m32a1 and complete the mission in 5 minutes getting the same rank"

and it really annoys me, really

[jolly verge]

You can also take traits that force suspects surrender on compliance shout or when you stun them with any less-lethal

[final jacinth]

im playing duo w my friend trying this challenge

i heard that lg missions are almost unbeatable on S rank on hard diff

[rocky plover]

I use beanbag (4 slots)
8 flashes
1 taser
And another 4 flashes from the m320 launcher
Light armor

Sometimes I take m32a1 launcher
6 free shots
12 slots for it (so 18 total)
1 taser
And another 4 flashes from the m320 launcher

[final jacinth]

what roles should we give to eachother? we play in duo

and what loadout he should use?

[rocky plover]

Any from the 2 above, can either mix and or both same loadout tbh

Could ofc adjust slots accordingly depending on armor choice as well

[latent crescent]

ready for insanity

[onyx swift]

ikr

The same patch they nerf CS gas, they make the new Primary Launchers

which are honestly better, other than if a Suspect were to walk into the current room late for the Flashbang one

[rocky plover]

Yeah pretty much they contradict themselves who those 2

[sharp latch]

Is this game worth it?

[rocky plover]

well only you can answer that for yourself tbh

[sharp latch]

Wow 🫢

[rocky plover]

but personally yeah

[sharp latch]

Just bought it

Ima see if its really worth it

Im waiting for it ito complete install

[rocky plover]

have fun! can always refund it within 2 hrs if its not your cup of tea

[sharp latch]

true!

[dapper granite]

the flash launcher isn't that broken

I mean for smaller maps with less suspects it absolutely is

but once you get to like relapse or hide and seek you actually have to think about when or IF you even wanna use it

[rocky plover]

ye especially if you're solo but if with AI, or duo and more, it's doable

[tiny sorrel]

honestly the only correct way to play RON is taking 7 AR magazines and magdumping everyone that comes into your path

the mag shotgun is also acceptable

[civic fiber]

there is no drum shotgun in this game…

[rocky plover]

think he got it confused with the mag-fed one xD

[civic fiber]

how is that possible

[rocky plover]

🤔 🤷

[dapper granite]

cop roleplay >

[sharp latch]

Its worth it. Im already on mission 5 casual mode for beginners. afterwards, i will head to standard ver

then so on.

[tiny sorrel]

Spetsnaz roleplay >>>>>>>>>>

[rocky plover]

nice! glad you like it. good luck!

[sharp latch]

solo mode btw

[rocky plover]

nice

[sour yoke]

When is the update coming bro

[rocky plover]

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

Next update gas radius will be 75m

[jolly verge]

I think 50m will be fine so people will actually start using it instead of M32A1

[rocky plover]

It's funny how the m32a1 gives you 6 free shots while we should get free mag for both primary and secondary weapons

Like the mag in the gun shouldn't be counted for in the loadout (4 primary mags should be 5 actually etc..)

[sour yoke]

[onyx swift]

I wouldn’t be complaining tbh

[rocky plover]

Ikr xD

[flat adder]

Really struggling with S ranking Twisted nerve. Y'all got any tips for me?

[rocky plover]

M32A1 flash launcher if you have it, S-ranks become a breeze

[flat adder]

Didn't preorder the game sadly. Didn't even have a PS5 until like two weeks ago lmao.

[wraith echo]

does anyone understand why in the fuck void interactive added a fucking 50AE into the game but no 2011 such as the staccato which actually had use in police? like im not too informed with the news going on with gun news but i have never heard of any fucking deagle replica being used in any operation or arrest. especially considering RON already had the M2011 pistol. but now its cut content? what?

[glad egret]

how do you switch magnification if you can

[wraith echo]

you cant, not yet. in the next update you'll be able to

[worthy harbor]

Bruh how is my solo game gonna keep crashing when i try to load into a mission. Is there a bug with Chicos or something

[glad egret]

oh so thre 1 x 4x is usless

[wraith echo]

unless you wanna use its built in iron sights, yeah

[glad egret]

oh

[jolly verge]

20% vertical recoil reduction

[wraith echo]

dont matter if you cant hit your target to begin with cause shits too zoomed in

[jolly verge]

Use canted sight with laser

Or just iron one

[wraith echo]

and play guessing game whether you hit your target? im good.

[copper silo]

ironsight nation rise

[jolly verge]

It's hits exactly where you aim at +- offset from laser

[wraith echo]

there is some height-over-bore, aint there? up close you're cooked, been there, done that. but that was ages ago

[jolly verge]

If you aware of height over bore then there won't be any problem to hit your target

[wraith echo]

i suppose i could give it a try, last i did the laser shit was like 2 years ago. they improved the laser in some way, didnt they?

no fucking way... finally the dot itself from the laser doesnt have a delay. they did fix it.

[jolly verge]

Yeah, they did fix the bug with laser that was 2 years ago

[wraith echo]

wait, i just now realized 1.0 released 2 years ago.

holy fuck im getting old.

[wraith echo]

3 years then, before the adam update even whenever that was

[vale needle]

im playing the hospital level and an ai with a deagle ran up the stairs while not facing us and insta headshot me and 2 of my friends, is the deagle breaking their ai?

or are the hospital level ai just broken in general?

[wraith echo]

there is a genuine deagle model now in the game? jeezums christmas...

[vale needle]

wasnt there before?

[jolly verge]

No

[wraith echo]

what difficulty are you playing?

[jolly verge]

Unless you use mods

[vale needle]

normal xbox

[wraith echo]

wait, is PC and Xbox the same? it has to be to be able to allow crossplay, right?

[vale needle]

yeah i think

[wraith echo]

im pretty sure its possible for PC or consoles to have different bugs and such depending what the port is for

but idk, im no game dev

[jolly verge]

Suspects have only PM and G19 as a pistol on hospital, both requires at least 3 headshots to break a standard helmet and then kill you

[vale needle]

wait why did he have a deagle then

that was def a deagle it was bigger than the g19

[wraith echo]

are you sure you saw right? got a screenshot?

[vale needle]

nah my controller is off

couldn’t screenshot

[jolly verge]

They do not have deagles unless the game is modded

[vale needle]

well all my friends and i are on xbox so weird

[wraith echo]

im a gun nut myself, try describing the gun, maybe i'll be able to identify it. still, i aint no expert

things as groves, length, shape, size, sights, sharp or smooth corners

[vale needle]

big ass pistol with huge muzzleflash that one shots?

im saying it was def the deagle

[wraith echo]

fair enough.

the only big pistol im aware of is the MK-V, one you can use.

basically a 1911 conversion into 50AE

[vale needle]

i swear the ai can carry the deagle right?

hate autocorrect

[wraith echo]

idk, would be good to ask the devs. again, i dunno if the deagle is even in the game, AI or otherwise

[jolly verge]

Nope

[marsh lark]

I mean, you have the MKV

[jolly verge]

Only you and swat ai

[vale needle]

ok so you are telling me an ai either A. was carrying a g19 that one shots or B. holding a glitched gun

on standard

maybe ROF bug?

[wraith echo]

which still doesnt explain why its in the game, same with the GA51. if realism is what the game is going for, both of these are out of the equation.

[marsh lark]

Realism is what the game is going for, but they can have a leeway when it comes to weapons simply due to the fact how extensive LAPD's loadout is.

[jolly verge]

No suspect simply killed you all with some fal or akm, but def not pistol unless you all wearing nothing on your head

[marsh lark]

I think GA51 is nothing "outrageous" considering they have anti-materiel rifles, light machine guns, etc.

[wraith echo]

i already made a valid point to a email to void, how the GA51 should be replaced with the 556 model as the 308 would be too loud and concussive to shoot irl consecutively and accurately. nothing the game depicts

especially indoors with the loudness part. i know its a game but there has to be some realism factor if the game is going for realism, right? doesnt add up otherwise.

bigger bullet already means louder signature sound, shorter barrel also means louder signature sound. indoors amplifies that with echo and all else whatever physics work there. and not to mention, shorter barrels also have more felt recoil, even for regular 556 if you take a 16 inch and 10.3 the 10.3 will feel a bit harsher (supposedly, i never shot a gun myself). and you mean to tell me i just put on a muzzle brake which eliminates all that? cool fantasy. not to mention the unburnt powder, as the 308 has more powder than 556. meaning the fireball is quite fucking massive. again, muzzle brake just makes it vanish... huh?

[vale needle]

dude the ai have looney tunes logic the realism thing is just marketing

for now

[wraith echo]

not just the Ai if anything

[marsh lark]

I get what you want to say, but eh..

Trying to incorporate weapons based on sound is over the line.

[vale needle]

they need an ai overhaul 2 really

running backwards while shooting having the groupings be as tight as the ai literally breaks the laws of physics among other things

and the ai do that all the time

it breaks my immersion immediately lol

as someone who has shot guns every time i see something the suspect ai does i keep repeating to myself “they would not be able to do that”

[wraith echo]

you call it over the line, i call it realistic. if my knowledge is correct, i believe the 300 blackout was specifically created for swat teams because they complained the 556 was too loud for indoor usage. if a 556 was already loud enough to complain about, what about a short barreled 308?

[marsh lark]

In my opinion, it is over the line.

I am not a gun nerd, so I cannot discuss on this matter. For most people the only concern for suitability of weapons is purely what they are chambered in, and whether or not it is feasible for a real life department to have that/that department has something similar.

[wraith echo]

please, literally on the greased palms map, as far away as i could be outside where the trucks are, right? dude is sprinting full speed to cover and nailing every second shot in my torso and limbs missing just my face and my vest occasionally

fucked me up good and proper that run, not too long ago even. maybe a month or two back

[wraith echo]

if thats "over the line", then lets speak about another realistic aspect of firearms. handguns. they are the most difficult to use as you have the least support, hence why braces and stocks were made for pistols to begin with. how come, most of the recoil, especially seen in the newest FN 509, its purely vizual? its literally just a point and click game with that gun. unlike, the g19. m11. which actually have recoil both vertical and horizontal and does take time and practice to get used to and use efficiently. i thought this game was meant for the adult audience not kids who dont understand recoil impulse cause they played CoD and GTA5 all the time

[tidal sleet]

Are you forgetting we’re playing as SWAT, to my knowledge Judge is the only confirmed federal with the LSPD, there could be more characters that have either a military background or came to LSPD from another department

[wraith echo]

so? this isnt a MMO game for the character to deal with the recoil, should be you and your mouse.

might be reduced for the lore's sake, i get it. but not entierly eliminated

[tidal sleet]

guns barely have recoil, I’ve shot 9mm and it kicks up a bit and it’s easy to get the sights realigned

[full shore]

Tbh this game has the best gun play out of all the major titles

[wraith echo]

i mean, if were gonna be comparing oranges to apples then why arent all guns with zero recoil, always pinpoint accuracy, just shoot and wait for your sights to align again. there is no consistency in this game, some guns kick more in ways that make no sense and some kick less that make even less sense, some have recoil control with your mouse some dont like the 509.

[tidal sleet]

yeah COD is egregious with recoil

[full shore]

I can't even enjoy bf6 bc it feels so different from ron

Almost arcade like

I think tarkov is the closest to Ron in terms of gunplay. But that game stinks

[tidal sleet]

yeah, wanna tell me we’re playing as trained soldiers then why the hell do the guns kick so damn much

[wraith echo]

trained or not, i do not believe any human, especially the size that our characters are would be able to ENTIERLY eliminate recoil. rifle, pistol or otherwise.

im sure there are people who are close to eliminating recoil, given training, body mass, gun customization, surroundings and all. but never zero i believe

[tidal sleet]

Body mass doesn’t do much it’s just technique and training

[sharp latch]

Im already level 7 since a few hours ago 😭

[wraith echo]

still helps, even if not much

[vale needle]

body mass does affect some recoil but technique and training is definitely more important

[wraith echo]

now we are speaking just recoil mitigation i believe, but what about the projectiles? are they actually hitting the target? and if so how tight is the grouping. for example, Lucas Botkin, former CEO of T-rex arms (not sponsored to use him as example), he is slim and tall, has good recoil mitigation but his groups are quite wide from what i've at least observed here and there

or, PewView, another dude with a fast trigger and good recoil control. he actually hits his targets but i never got to see his groupings. although, he is a bit bigger than Lucas in terms of muscle mass

[rugged forum]

Is anybody having issues with FPS just not going over 50?

[wraith echo]

yes, its technique. but judging the technique Judge uses versus these two i've seen judge just holds the grip with both hands like its a stick.

[rugged forum]

Changing the settings doesn’t seem to have any effect on the performance

[wraith echo]

game is unoptimzed, nothing new

[rugged forum]

Not entirely sure that’s my issue currently

Seeing as increasing the quality isn’t decreasing my FPS

[marsh lark]

The game is optimized. If you would go back year and a half, we could talk about something like that.

[rugged forum]

It’s just stuck at 50, used to run it at 120

[wraith echo]

it is. dont matter if you got a Nasa PC or not, if the game is unoptimzed use a samsung fridge with the screen or a nasa pc it will run all the same (if game is unoptimized)

[rugged forum]

I’m not sure you actually understand what I’m saying

[tidal sleet]

Lucas does USPSA so grouping matters a bit but it’s not very important, and PewView looks to not do competition shooting

[rugged forum]

The settings aren’t having any effect on my performance, it’s still stuck at 50 if I increase or decrease settings

[full shore]

Ironically USPSA shooters who attend marksmanship classes tend to not do very well

[tidal sleet]

Yeah I don’t have a input on that since the only thing I do is Steel Challenge

[marsh lark]

I know what you mean, what I can tell you from my experience it only happens with UE games for me

[wraith echo]

still, compare the recent video where PewView teaches how he manages recoil versus how Judge, (AKA, you) in RON holds the pistols. like hell, he doesnt even have the thumb over the frame following the slide which i imagine does quite a lot. again, i havent shot a gun myself so im talking bullshit i've learned from others, just a note. but i imagine even that small detail of the thumb parallel the slide does a lot, leaning in with the gun as you stance. judge? bro just stands upright holding the gun like its a dog toy hes about to throw. if the main character we play as is a trained elite unit of the LSPD, at least simulate it.

[vale needle]

yeah its dumb