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[tacit gull]

hesitation animation turning looks great for example

[cedar mulch]

I believe VOID's senior animator has already left.

[chilly thorn]

Hesistation animations do look pretty good but overall most suspect animations look insanely janky (especially those shitty hostage taking animations and long surrender animations)

[civic fiber]

gratr go to bed

[tacit gull]

no bih i jus woke up

[civic fiber]

its 1 am

[tacit gull]

I think the hostage taking animations are fine, i'm half amazed they work at all

And i like the long hesitation animations, it builds tension

[cedar mulch]

I'm not sure exactly how many staff members VOID have lost, but I feel their technical capabilities have been declining sharply.

[tacit gull]

Well it would if the ROE system forced you to wait them out

[chilly thorn]

most of the time the civillian isn't even lined up with the animations and they die after the animation is over rather then when they get shot, and the surrender animations are incredibly janky looking

like how they HAVE TO shift too going to their knees by you interacting with them when they finish

[tacit gull]

oh yeah that looks like dogshit

no idea why they didn't just add standing arrest animations

(that they already have)

[chilly thorn]

They were in the game in the trailers lol

[tacit gull]

They were in the prealpha

[chilly thorn]

Why do they just remove shit for no good reason. Like I get development is hard and weird but like... seriously? lol

Like in the old gameplay trailers how you could control how much you open the door.

That would actually be amazing for gameplay

[tacit gull]

That was cut in order to standardize using doors

It works like shit in the game currently with the having to awkwardly walk into the door to open it

[chilly thorn]

the old way could probably make traps more tense too

[cedar mulch]

VOID had long pursued an analogue approach, but by 2022 they appeared to have abandoned it.

[chilly thorn]

you open it too much your dumb

[tacit gull]

To be fair it does make traps more consistent

People still blow up to them

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but it would be pretty tense having to make sure you don't open it too much

[tacit gull]

I definetly would have liked the old system more but i guess i understand why they did it

The least they could have done is allow you to fuckin open the door slightly more with the scroll wheel or somethin

[cedar mulch]

Did VOID ever promise a shotgun trap? Have they forgotten, or are they simply unwilling to deliver?

[tacit gull]

Since on some maps the peek actually doesn't do anything cause they couldn't be asked to use doorframes of the same size

[tacit gull]

They did show concept art of a shotgun trap

aswell as electric traps, double traps

[tacit gull]

Wait no actually they showed off an entire model

[cedar mulch]

I believe VOID should reinstate the weight system from the 2020 version.

[tacit gull]

They won't, and i can tell you exactly why

[cedar mulch]

How on earth could they have made the game system worse?

[tacit gull]

Having a weight system in a game like this means constantly having to communicate it over network

Since it's constantly changing when you're shooting ammo or dropping mags or doing anything at all really

It would have been nice to have it in different tiers like that one first responders mod does it, but fully accurate weight fucking SUCKS

[cedar mulch]

But that version had other good things going for it, rather than being more purely focused on shooting like it is now. And the current SWAT feels a bit like Superman.

They carry their shields and battering rams on their backs without feeling the weight.

[tacit gull]

I'm not denying that, the current version has some very stupid fundamentals, but i'm just saying the weight system would have gone no matter what

[keen rover]

if it's too strict, it would be like SWAT 4. SWAT 4 is great but the ROE is questionable and flawed

[tacit gull]

For example this version is too focused on the customization larp aspect rather than actually functional changes like different mag pouches on uniform or attachments that actually have a reason to exist

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 ROE is fine imo

[tacit gull]

We don't even have equipment or grenades that show up hanging off the side of the character

[keen rover]

it's not

[tacit gull]

which is a GOOD feature to be able to tell what someone's carrying without even asking

[chilly thorn]

And even ROE aside RoN needs to look to swat 4 for their mechanics and priorities more.

[cedar mulch]

In 2019 and 2020, they were essentially treating RON as a remake of SWAT 4. It wasn't until later that they changed direction.

[chilly thorn]

The game makes it so you can't shoot a suspect just for having a gun they have to actively point it at you another.

[tacit gull]

I disagree, RON should definetly try to do more of it's own thing

SWAT 4 didn't do everything perfect

[keen rover]

when they point it at you, you're already shot

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 was far from perfect thats why I want RoN too take some of their ideas and improve on them.

[tacit gull]

RON has already done that and done most of said features worse

That's why i'm saying they should lock in and focus on making their own systems work together rather than aping SWAT 4 again

[chilly thorn]

Thats sorta what I want too

everything is so janky like the game is fun but like it could be so much better

[cedar mulch]

They ought to bring back the drones and snipers immediately. Instead of talking nonsense.

[chilly thorn]

Snipers would work for some maps but not all, Drones could be cool but they need to focus on fixing current mechanics rather then adding crazy new ones

[tacit gull]

The drones maybe since they're already in some levels, but the snipers can stay dead

They already have the helicopter mechanic i don't see why they couldn't repurpose it for the drones

[cedar mulch]

Of course, there's also the telescopic ladder.

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4's maps where specifically designed with the snipers in mind a lot of the time lots of the levels in RoN just wouldn't work with them

[tacit gull]

Even then there was almost no use for them

[keen rover]

how would you use a drone in indoors areas

[tacit gull]

The ladder needs levels designed for it, RON's current levels are not

[chilly thorn]

Honestly yeah because most of the time you couldn't even use them since you would just get a bunch of unauthorized uses of force.

[keen rover]

literally almost never used snipers, they're pretty useless, occasionally they'll spot suspects

[tacit gull]

On top of needing the stars to align to even get a suspect in front of their very limited use space

[chilly thorn]

I mean tbf thats pretty much what snipers are used for in real life police settings im pretty sure

Not excusing the Swat 4 sniper being near useless though

I'd say if RoN wants to bring back the sniper they could throw it as an extra mechanic like the helicopter pilot on dark waters maps not all maps though

[tacit gull]

They would actually have more of a use case for their rifle in ron, but AGAIN the stars need to align to have a suspect and a civilian AND they need to be in a hostage situation to use

[cedar mulch]

VOID has painted itself into a corner. I cannot fathom why they continue to dwell on past commitments.

[chilly thorn]

There were definently a lot of mechanics that were better in swat 4

[tacit gull]

Some mechanics in SWAT 4 were handled diferently, in a much simpler way which made the game feel more consistent

Aswell as having a pretty clear vision

[chilly thorn]

for example suspects actually physically openning doors and not knowing if its jammed or not so you can actually catch a running away suspect by having them try and go for a jammed door and they will surrender.

I did that in the cult map and it felt so cool when it happened

[tacit gull]

Meanwhile in RON we're still getting flash grenade launchers after we've established they're FUCKING BROKEN

[chilly thorn]

Suspect in RoN just seem to know when a door wont work and will never try it (probably because they open doors telepathically)

I find it actually insane that they dont actually have animations for opening doors at all

[keen rover]

you also open doors telepathically

[tacit gull]

Yep, they will also wait next to fragged doors

If they get untrapped they instantly use them lmao

SWAT 4 suspects had animations for trying doors

[chilly thorn]

I dont see why that changes anything.

[tacit gull]

the problem with those is they were SLOW

like to the point where if a suspect runs and opens a door you have enough time to tase them

[chilly thorn]

Its better then no animations at all.

RoN could add faster animations for it!

[tacit gull]

But that also lead to super intense chases where the suspect would barely get away

You will never have a chase like that in ron

[chilly thorn]

Yeah that too I have never felt like I actively was chasing a suspect down in RoN

They dont run away enough they are always so shooty

[tacit gull]

SWAT definetly has better hide and seek

[chilly thorn]

Suspect chase mechanics in RoN would be great

Suspects always seem like they are ready to fight and die rather then actively avoiding the cops

It makes them just feel like enemies rather then real people

[tacit gull]

yep

It would be awesome to have suspects that run off and take pot shots in order to get you to back off

[chilly thorn]

I would love too chase down a suspect to a locked door and I can visibly see the fear as he trys to shoot you as a last resort because he couldn't fangle the door open.

It would feel like I really killed a real person there.

[cedar mulch]

If SWAT regained the ability to running, the suspects would be far more formidable.

[tacit gull]

Not drifting sideways putting entire mags directly in you

[cedar mulch]

They now dare not even add the suspect's throwing ability.

[tacit gull]

Absolutely not, the current suspect AI would brick instantly if you could run past their cover

[chilly thorn]

Imagine chasing a suspect down and when you corner them they try too shoot themselves that would be fucking horrifying instead in game they just shoot themselves seemingly at random

I said seemingly I know its tied to stress mechanics

[tacit gull]

lmao yeah the (puppies and rainbows) mechanic has some dumbass trigger cases

It's not even tied to stress, only morale

[cedar mulch]

Perhaps the suspect should be equipped with the ability to throw hand grenades?

[tacit gull]

Which means suspects will mostly shoot themselves when you're LTLing them now

And when their leader is arrested

[tacit gull]

Full on handgrenades would be infuriating with the current movement speed

[cedar mulch]

In a situation like 3LT's. I reckon the Black Sentinel would absolutely lob a grenade at the SWAT team.

[tacit gull]

And flashbangs had their effect on players removed so those wouldnt do anything either

[chilly thorn]

Imagine a map where suspects could commit mass-die if you kill a specific suspect like a cult leader meaning you really have to make sure you get that guy.

[tacit gull]

I mean i guess, the problem is

S ranks

[chilly thorn]

You wouldn't kill the cult leader if your S-ranking anyways though?

[tacit gull]

Unless they made suicide suspects not lower score that's probably never happening

[chilly thorn]

I said if you kill the guy.

[tacit gull]

They kill themselves right now even if you arrest him

Regardless if they know about it or not

[chilly thorn]

huh I making a hypothetical mission where that could happen.

Im not talking about a specific map. Just an idea for a map in my head.

Like: If you shoot this guy everyone else will become more hostile or commit making it so you really want to take him alive.

[tacit gull]

I mean that would be cool on the terror maps overall

[jolly verge]

There is no leader being killed in their suicide consideration inside archetype, only morale value

[tacit gull]

Maybe even on cult making nearby suspects a lot less hostile

[cedar mulch]

Add a restricted jog

For example, stamina points

[tacit gull]

Doesn't suicide depend on low morale? I've had suspects kill themselves a lot more after i arrest qadamah on relapse

rip

[chilly thorn]

Im pretty sure its just more common the lower their morale is.

[jolly verge]

It is, but arresting leader does pretty much nothing from what I have seen

[tacit gull]

I'm telling you i've had consistent cases with extra suicides after qadamah is arrested

I think even on the yacht that happens

which is

questionable

[chilly thorn]

I think you might have just gotten lucky/unlucky ig

[tacit gull]

there's no way

[chilly thorn]

I doubt there is actually a mechanic for suspects to be more stressed if their leader is captured (that would be super fucking cool though)

[tacit gull]

There is, it's even been talked about in newsletters

[jolly verge]

Only Sahid and only if he found a gun

[tacit gull]

Arresting leaders globally lowers morale

[chilly thorn]

I've never seen Sahid use a gun.

[jolly verge]

He will if there one on the ground

[chilly thorn]

Ah

[jolly verge]

From dead suspect or officer

[chilly thorn]

They should have given him some goofy little golden gun that he could rarely go for since hes a rich asshole

imagine methhouse guns appearing to be visually more deteriated that could be some nice little detials for immerision

[tacit gull]

yusuf amir

[chilly thorn]

Exactly what I was thinking of lol

[tacit gull]

my (compatriot)

[chilly thorn]

I mean considering actual crime lords and such customized guns would be realistic.

Those Balls Mags AR's on narcos are sick. They should have more of that.

[tacit gull]

was about to say narcos yeah

We do also get suppressors for some fucking reason on leviathan

I guess the ecoterrorists care about noise pollution aswell

[chilly thorn]

I mean it is just possible they bought suppressors so they could take over the oil rig without everyone immediently noticing

Or who knows what if they just had them cause they were cool and didn't want to hurt their ears.

[tacit gull]

next time they show up they also get gpnvgs

[chilly thorn]

That would be sick tbh

I lowkey hate that the suspects on Oil Rig have gas masks that don't even work

[cedar mulch]

I believe suspects should employ the same armour mechanism as SWAT. The bulletproof rating should be determined by the material.

[tacit gull]

There is 1 suspect in the entire game that has a gas mask that works

[chilly thorn]

IKR its so dumb

[jolly verge]

Nah, killing suspect near another suspect in 20 radius does lower morale but that it

[chilly thorn]

Its literally only one of the shooters right?

[tacit gull]

its one of the dudes on sullivan's slope

[chilly thorn]

Thats... strange since their masks appear to be broken

[tacit gull]

dude what

[jolly verge]

Only this one

[chilly thorn]

OH that guy

I swear I remember his mask being broken lol

[tacit gull]

that's the other guy lmao

[jolly verge]

That another dude with PM and level 3 armor

[tacit gull]

me when i wear my level 3 t-shirt

[jolly verge]

Made from pans and duct tape

[chilly thorn]

I'm honestly rather confused on how gerard got any followers at all like he seems to be a complete shut in.

[cedar mulch]

The appearance and data are not matching up. This blighter actually has tier-three armour.

[tacit gull]

or even better the los locos on hunger strike wearing level 5 hoodies

[chilly thorn]

Armour is so weird

Like Sins of the father suspect seem to have heavy armor and they are literally wearing nothing

but then Suspects with a big ass vest will only take like 2 bullets

[cedar mulch]

VOID is utterly ridiculous, like cultists among suspects. They too are fabricating data willy-nilly.

[jolly verge]

Not this one, uzi guy is unarmored, other dude with pistol and Gerard do have level 3

[chilly thorn]

The suspects with hawaiian shirts on the yacht used to have the same armor level as the actual heavy armored guys right?

[tacit gull]

Suspects used to get armor dynamically in EA i think

[chilly thorn]

Im pretty sure it got fixed from when I last played it though

[tacit gull]

They'd get the armor slapped on and it would work

[chilly thorn]

It clipped though

[tacit gull]

It did look pretty shit though

yeah

but atleast it told you when someone has fucking armor didn't it

[chilly thorn]

I don't see why they can't just add armor values to specific character models or something

[tacit gull]

They also got their resistances from this random equipment

i.e. welding goggles

[cedar mulch]

The left behind are the victims; their armour could withstand nothing but pistol rounds.

[tacit gull]

would make them immune to flashbangs

[jolly verge]

Guys with 7.62x51 and 5.56 iirc have level 3, others with level 2

[chilly thorn]

Or like add variations of the character models with armor that doesn't clip so if it they have armor it will use that model instead

[tacit gull]

Thing with that armor is that it properly showcased when bullets penetrated or got stuck aswell

[chilly thorn]

YEAH I REMEMBER THAT

There were textures for bullet holes and dents on the armor it was cool

[tacit gull]

lol get fucked

1.0 bro

[jolly verge]

[chilly thorn]

It was in some of the body armor in 1.0 still and was fucked in UE5 (same with gore mechanics T~T)

[tacit gull]

I love half my bullets not affecting suspects visually at all

[cedar mulch]

Then there's the meth cook. The blue Kevlar he's wearing is nothing but a decoration.

[chilly thorn]

I love shooting somebody in the head now just coats their face in red and it looks like shit.

[tacit gull]

Dude the old deformation they had on the faces looked gnarly

Their head would actually swell up and shit it looked great

[chilly thorn]

Ikr That needs to come back it was brutal as hell, like sure sometimes it was janky but it looked so good most of the time.

[tacit gull]

It only looked bad if you got up close

which is just what parallax do

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but you would need to get really close to notice

[cedar mulch]

The root issue lies in their unwillingness to adopt the same body armour protocols for suspects as those used by SWAT teams.

[tacit gull]

I really wonder if all this shit is ever gonna get fixed tbh

The lighting is still hideous after ue5 and yet we're doing more dlc bro

[cedar mulch]

Suspect's armour is made of paper.

[chilly thorn]

Void should dedicate an entire update of things that they broke in UE5 and 1.0 that they never acknowledged.

[tacit gull]

I would LOVE an operation health for ron

1 update simply dedicated to making the game WORK properly

[chilly thorn]

Too our knowledge we don't even know if they know their gore is broken.

[chilly thorn]

Especially considering the fact that they sold so good on console they definently have the money to focus on something like that and remove AI art as well (like they said they would forever ago)

[tacit gull]

Well kaminsky did keep trying to PR speak it into being "intentional" on streamer

No fucking excuse for something like yacht though

[chilly thorn]

It's on yacht? Where?

[tacit gull]

The portrait of the guy

[chilly thorn]

Oh

[tacit gull]

That's 1billion% ai

[cedar mulch]

VOID is understaffed; they likely lack the capacity.

[chilly thorn]

I think AI is okay if its a picture of a person (especially since that would mean a character like amos voll would be tied to a real persons face), but if its a painting of person or an actual piece of art its robbing work actual artist could do and is just lazy

Like the actual art in the game looks amazing, like the methhouse drawings are sick.

[chilly thorn]

They definently have the money too get more employees now they sold A LOT of console copies

I'm overall just really scared for the future of the game and the devs not communicating to their fans very well anymore doesn't help.

[tacit gull]

go suck off ropolio, he's the resident meth addict at VOID

his art GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

[cedar mulch]

I believe their staff remuneration is worse than one might imagine. Because some long-serving employees have clearly already left.

[chilly thorn]

He does the photobashed concept art too which is neat

at least the music in RoN is still amazing

[tacit gull]

zack is mine though don't touch him

[chilly thorn]

Zack cooked so hard with the stolen valor ost giving it the drums from crackhouse and I don't know if its intentional or not but the music when your outside sounds as if its coming from the building itself and overall just gives the building its own powerful pressence.

[cedar mulch]

If RON continues down this path, it will inevitably become insurgency Sandstorm.

[chilly thorn]

This exactly..

[civic fiber]

my cat fell asleep on my blanket and has claimed it for his own 😔

[chilly thorn]

Cat owners don't own the cat the cat owns them

[keen rover]

wdym UE5? RoN is UE5?

[chilly thorn]

It was Ue4 and then it shifted to UE5 with some benefits and lots of negatives.

[keen rover]

I thought engines can't be changed easily

[rugged isle]

Facts, and the house too

[tacit gull]

Yeah well all of the broken visuals prove this right

[chilly thorn]

It shifted to Ue5 In the Home Invasion Update For example: Lighting on some maps got messed up really bad (Rust Belt was only fixed now in the console release) Gore was completely broken (Character Deformation was completely removed and seems to not be too the devs knowledge) Blood effects were downgraded to the point where they were barely noticable (this cant be noticed now because blood effects on console update build are COMPLETELY broken and dont even appear)

[keen rover]

well I mean yea that's why you don't change game engine

[chilly thorn]

Apparently it made it easier for the devs

maybe they shouldn't have used fucking shitty ass unreal but whatever

[keen rover]

UE4 was fine tho

not many people even complained about UE4

[chilly thorn]

UE5 is an okay engine but the port over to UE5 was done very poorly

[tacit gull]

From what i know it was to allow usage of more plugins and stuff like that

Probably more for the new hires

[keen rover]

you shift engines early in development not when it already has so much content

[chilly thorn]

The game basically is still in development if we are being honest with ourselves

[keen rover]

well they're calling it 1.0

[tacit gull]

bro they've been calling it 1.0 for 2 years 😭

[rugged isle]

1,0 yet so many dlcs as if the base game is all good…(that it isn’t for the price they put in many stores)..i get it’s a fairly good game in terms of graphic ecc but i would expect a working product or not that many issues still going on…or at least patches a bit more frequently even if they aren’t massive updates.

[chilly thorn]

Im okay with the dlcs being paid they are actual content and not like microtransactions or something (+ DLC maps have a noticable up in quality compared to some 1.0 release maps)

[jolly verge]

Many people complained actually, one of the big problem was shader compilation stutters on dx12 people were had with every game or gpu driver update

[tacit gull]

To be fair back in the day when this game started development ue4 was only starting to get the rep of running like shit

[rugged isle]

Like the CS..you changed it, your players noticed it’s too nerfed..a patch to either revert till a new solution or reduce the nerfs and see how it goes?

[chilly thorn]

Lets just hope the next major update will fix most things

doesn't help that the devs haven't made a new "Known Issues" since Kaminsky left.

[jolly verge]

They did not even tested gas nerf

[keen rover]

eh the DLCs are kinda too costly for what they are

[chilly thorn]

10$ for 3 good maps isn't that big of a deal.

especially considering how suprisingly consumer friendly they are with who can access the dlcs

[tacit gull]

30 euro for messi on call of duty

[rugged isle]

Next major might be directly 2.0 atp- wouldn’t complain if it takes a lot but totally fix most of the issues but i think that’s a very optimistic hope

[keen rover]

isn't home invasion just some equipment

[chilly thorn]

if the next update takes forever but they fix all my issues I would not complain and only praise

[rugged isle]

Maps too

[chilly thorn]

No its 3 good maps that are all really good

People say dorms is bad but they are stupid

Dorms is my baby

[keen rover]

college dorms?

[tacit gull]

Dorms sucked ass before hesitation was added because the ai just didnt work on it basically

It is a good, chaotic map in its design though

[chilly thorn]

even then the vibes were perfect its such a creepy map too.

I like how chaotic it can get with suspects scurrying around the map its really fun with AI mods too that make the ai better.

[rugged isle]

I don’t even remember how the ai should work anymore..i only play with ai mods since a while

[chilly thorn]

I would 100% call Dorms Top 3 RoN maps

[rugged isle]

I really like leviathan from what i saw on gameplays. Cool setting and looks interesting as layout..minus traps ofc.

[chilly thorn]

Top 5: 1. Lethal Obsession 2. Stolen Valor 3. Dorms 4. Narcos 5. Twisted Nerve

[tacit gull]

yeah dark waters is definetly peak levels for ron

[chilly thorn]

Dark waters maps are insanely high quality but I thought the yacht was rather worse then most the other dlc maps

[tacit gull]

yeah yacht is fucking shit with how it's gimmick is handled

[rugged isle]

Twisted nerves goes into “not ever again” with greased Palm

[chilly thorn]

Twisted Nerve is great what?

[tacit gull]

but the other two maps are probably the best ingaem

[rugged isle]

Took me half a month because i had no clue there was a second zone

[chilly thorn]

Well thats not the maps fault lol

[rugged isle]

Ik tell that to me in the past

Literally dropped due to frustration…picked it up again and now i’m stuck on Elephant..

[chilly thorn]

I like how elephant handled the scenario throwing out realism for a more artistic depiction

[tacit gull]

I really don't, the shooter cosplays are so on the nose it makes me puke

[chilly thorn]

I like how overly quiet and drab the entire thing is though

Its the kinda map that you just feel slightly off put playing in a good way

[tacit gull]

I just don't think its done well enough

[rugged isle]

It’s too quiet tbh..but ye at least some gunshots in the background keep the tension..and the bombs-

[tacit gull]

The shooters are on this shitty timer for "gameplay reasons", there's no police around the cordon, the ligthing sucks, the AI just doesn't really work for this kind of situation and the map overall just feels kinda

unfinished

[chilly thorn]

Idk what the lighting is supposed to be its just a foggy day

Not every map is going to look like port

[tacit gull]

The map should have been about the inevitability of stuff like this, you shouldn't be able to save every civilian on that map

[chilly thorn]

You... can't? You can save the few stragglers but everyone else is dead.

The police were basically far too late to show up and now they are just clean up crew.

[tacit gull]

Everyone else who? There's not even that many bodies

[rugged isle]

Ye it’s more like as if most were arleady out, dead and you arrive for a few that were still trapped inside with the shooters

[chilly thorn]

There are at least 30 dead people alone in the main classroom.

[tacit gull]

And i'm also talking from a gameplay perspective

People should actively be getting shot at when you get there

It's one thing to have the set dressing bodies, it's another to know someone died while you were doing the mission

[chilly thorn]

The shooting was already finished thats why I think it does well at not making you feel like you stopped a shooting and rather you are just far too late

[tacit gull]

Of course it would suck with TOC constantly yelling in your ear about it now

[rugged isle]

Like increased chance for hostage stand off or a sort of hunt mode for the suspects to actually roam to find others npcs?

[tacit gull]

The suspects still shoot at civilians after a while though

[rugged isle]

Mh true, i would still make the bomb thing in a different way..either with TOC actually giving a time reference in minutes or when you find the first one you “read” the timer and it appears for the other ones.

Alternative would be a whole diff approach but ye just an idea. Instead of searching for bombs you have a bomb squad dealing with it (lore wise) and you need to find the suspect that could detonate if x time passes. And either a deadman thing so you are for ed to take him non le thal or all blows up. Pretty much boom vest concept on steroids for the whole map.

[chilly thorn]

My only complaint is that it should have been only 2 shooters with no "Grace period" before they start searching for Civs

but void loves there stupid S ranks and cant accept changing the formula for one map

[tacit gull]

One person i talked to had the idea to make the s rank on elephant just a time trial

clear as fast as you can and if civilians get shot that's just life

[rugged isle]

Would be much better..and make more sense actually.

Like if i’m on the other side of the map i should still get the max even if they shot one on the other end..

Or make the Ai capable of covering more ground so you can actually split the teams, one goes against threats and the other deal with bombs..

Anyway, what you think a patrol load out challenge could be in term of secondary, tools ecc?

[tacit gull]

well probably just remington with a glock and no tacticals whatsoever

i guess an mk18 would work aswell but that's less fun

[quasi coral]

I think the shooters randomly shooting would kinda kill immersion for me somewhat lol

I mean, they've pretty much finished their bloodspree so why blast all over the place?

[rugged isle]

Eh feels like rushing due to executions would work better..like ik they arleady do after a while but for me the map feels bomb first and kinda put the whole shooting just as the background..like i mainly feel pushed to get rid of them to get to the bomb i don’t get the “rush to save the people” that much..more like “where the heck the bomb is”

Like as was discussed earlier if it was time trial focused but not due to the bombs it would be better for me

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure this already happens

I think there's built in shooting sfx despite no shooting taking place

[jolly verge]

They actually shooting at the start of the mission, probably intended to make them roaming with their guns up so you can shoot them on sight or even through the doors/walls without unauthorized use of force

[tacit gull]

If that's the reason that's so fucking hacky 💀

[raven depot]

anyone else on ps?

[blissful kettle]

.

[torpid onyx]

now this is big brain time

[gritty dome]

if we followed the S rank methods irl all the civilians and officers would be dead within ~5 minutes of the mission

[undone dirge]

has gas been fixed and also whats the gas nerf i've been hearing about??

i havent played in a couple of months tbf

[gritty dome]

major nerf broski

gas is practically useless

[undone dirge]

what happened 💔

[gritty dome]

no idea

[cedar mulch]

The coyote map was originally designed with LL fully armed.

They are depicted in their ArtStation images wearing military helmets and body armour, with walkie-talkies.

VOID hasn't posted any new images on that website for quite some time now. I do wonder how many unused models and maps they still have tucked away.

[jolly verge]

There is nothing to fix, gas nerf is intended

[undone dirge]

i mean when it was broken before that convention i forgot the name of

[jolly verge]

It's was broken for swat ai only after LSS

If that what you mean

[cedar mulch]

Is it possible for VOID to incorporate a map editor, or is that out of the question?

[undone dirge]

this is what i meant

[cedar mulch]

I recall them mentioning this matter a long time ago.

[jolly verge]

SDK is a myth

[dense wind]

just did a non lethal run on the gas station with 50% more enemies and like

https://tenor.com/view/thofinn-gif-27635363

maybe we gotta make less orphans or sumn you know

[quasi coral]

Oh shoot really? It's so little I barely notice honestly

[tacit gull]

Aspid claims its a hack done by the devs to get the suspects to be active lmao

[rugged isle]

Incorporate not sure, however i saw there was a mod about map making but i'm not sure if it was just a showcase, if it's arleady public or what.
It's on Officiallinvictus yt Channel one or the most recent videos..likely yesterday i think

[errant ermine]

Can you use mods on the pc Xbox app version?

[south bison]

anyone have any idea

when the Multi attachment is comming

[dire horizon]

3-6 months

[rugged isle]

how many possible places are there for the bombs to spawn?🥲

in elephant

[thick dome]

ive seen at least 3.

big classroom, lab, balcony outside big classroom. tends to be clustered around the big classroom

[atomic shoal]

How do i remove my mods that i have in the ready or not files? I forgot where they are and what they are called...

[obsidian jolt]

Man, the hard AI is a mess and one of the most unfun experiences I've had recently. They really should take some notes from Stalker in how to handle difficulty. Crackheads should not be navy seals and they definitely should drop in 1 single chest shot with a .300 blackout while still doing great damage to you in hard.

Hard mode should be more in the line of ''Both you and the suspects deal maximum realistic damage'' and less ''suspects 360 noscoping across the map while your swat teammates take 5 years to react to anything''

[thick dome]

game needs to look at how ground branch is designed. you can choose from 5 AI presets or you can manually adjust all AI parameters IN GAME. its an awesome craft your own experience idea

[tacit gull]

I think you meant to say how ground branch isn't designed

[thick dome]

what do you mean?

[marsh lark]

Basically, Ground Branch is good in some things, however for the most part Ready or Not beats it in a lot of other aspects.

I personally did not find much enjoyment from the game even from just watching it, however we all have opinions on that game.

[surreal pelican]

Stupid question, but how do you guys use the small red dot at the top of the 12x magnifier scope?

[zinc lantern]

You’ll want to check your binds in the settings, I’m not sure what the default will be for you; but there’s a control to switch over to it

[full shore]

You need to bind key. Every time I boot up the game, it unbinds itself. Very annoying

[thick dome]

well they are 2 different games. what gb gets right is the AI presets and adjustment feature that would be a great addition to RoN.

[thick dome]

reset your binds to default button..then redo your binds and they should stick

[full shore]

It's defaulted to nothing so you'll need to set it on a key

[full shore]

I'll try this..thanks

[thick dome]

I mean hit the reset to default button

[inland canyon]

is it normal not to find anyone when searching for a public game ?

cant be that when im hosting i am the only one in europe hosting a game publicly

[granite pilot]

if only there was some kind of server browser...

[inland canyon]

im not sure if you mean that there is or that you wish there was one

[jolly verge]

There is a session browser script mod

[granite pilot]

surely devs wouldn't ship a game without essential functionality like a server browser...

[jolly verge]

Why would they

[vale plume]

This game is so fucking dumb that the buttons don’t even work

[cedar mulch]

I wonder whether Ali is the only employee at VOID who still possesses programming skills?

[jolly verge]

Shadykutz too

[jaunty wraith]

What are all the requirements for the hanged man trophy and can it be done in multiplayer

[jolly verge]

Complete Port Hokan using only Taser, flashbangs or melee bash (or without them) with at least C grade
You can get it in any mode

[jaunty wraith]

Thanks, it didn't say you had to get a c but that might be why I didn't get it when I used the required loadout and died. My friend completed the mission at E grade

[jolly verge]

It's also does not say you can't use lockpick

[tacit gull]

I definetly know they work with external studios on cleaning up code, it's in the credits

[jaunty wraith]

Do you mind helping me with it?

[jolly verge]

How

[copper mist]

Anyone know how to fix the 50.AE handgun? I'm pretty sure it came with the home invasion pack but it ain't working

[jolly verge]

What does not working? It's come with LSS update, not Home Invasion

[copper mist]

Oh, well when I equip it, it just reputs the G19 when I exit the thing

[jolly verge]

You on console?

[copper mist]

Yeah

[jolly verge]

You did pre-order the game?

[copper mist]

No, but I used it like a monn ago

Month*

[jolly verge]

Idk how did you use them before, since they were locked behind pre-order, but in any case they will be free after DLC 3 drops

[copper mist]

Idk how I used them, they just appeared in my locker, that and the shotgun. I used them for like a week straight and now they not working now

I have a clip of me using it though

[jolly verge]

You not supposed to use them without pre-ordered game

If the game defaults G19 after switching to MK-V that means it does not detect pre-order DLC

[copper mist]

Ah

[icy wraith]

totally agree.
Even with mid AI, if the game portrays high lethality on all characters, the gameplay can be tactical and realistic.

but then, accuracy, visibility, reaction times, etc, must respect human limits.

[umbral oar]

preach

[thick dome]

I mean, susoects already do a ton of dmg if you don't wear armor. 2 or 2 hits and you dead

2 or 3

what makes tjem pita is aimbot/movement and incoming suppression

[fervent hinge]

Does anyone have tips for the hard mode
Like what would make it more manageable

[swift atlas]

Does keyboard and mouse work on ps5?

[tacit helm]

When will the next dlc be released?

[tidal sleet]

not unless you have a external software that lets you

[chilly thorn]

This is random but one thing in this game that has only gotten better as time has gone on is Sound Design and Voice Acting. It's like one of the only things I can think about that this game has been consistent on in quality (Voice acting has gotten far better then it was back in prerelease.)

This games guns have such a raw and powerful feel to them, Reminds me of Left 4 Dead 2.

[icy wraith]

I agree with the audio quality. But I'm bothered that dead checks are not working anymore. Before, they worked half the time.

[chilly thorn]

Thats a flaw with the games code rather then the voice acting.

[icy wraith]

And sometimes a downed suspect triggers 2 voices at the same time...

[icy wraith]

yep

[chilly thorn]

I feel as if this game should punish you for dead checking lol I don't think cops should be allowed to go around and do that

[icy wraith]

thing is: no matter how good the acting / quality is when the implementation has big issues

[chilly thorn]

especially not in gas station robbery scenario

[icy wraith]

yeah we can discuss that. The punishment would be administrative. Still, reality is reality. A headshot should cause instant death.
Some scenarios are way out of SWAT work too

this game has, sometimes, an identity crisis. It's awesome to play it out of its own rules. IMO it's much better tbh.

[chilly thorn]

Still in Swat 4 you get punished for shooting a corpse even if they are dead and given the fact you can't really accidently shoot a corpse that would be unauthorized use of force against somebody who is potentially alive.

[icy wraith]

SWAT 4 is, IMO, much more fun to play according to its rules than RoN

[chilly thorn]

Yeah because the rules in Swat 4 are way stricter RoN ROE is basically an after thought

It used to not be but its either broken or the nerfed it

[icy wraith]

SWAT 4 is better balanced and more fun to play along.

still, RoN shines in realistic lethal gameplay

sometimes you cannot know how 'out of the fight' a guy on the ground is. Dead checks are SOP in some situations.

[chilly thorn]

Heres how it should be in my opinion: Mass Shooting Maps or High Intensity Maps (Neon Tomb, Relapse, Three letter Triad, Etc) should have the least strict ROE as if you have a gun in that situation you will most likely be shot on sight unless you immediently put your gun down Raid Maps: (MethHouse, Stolen Valor, 75% of maps) should have very strict ROE.

[icy wraith]

I agree with most of that. The AI should be more carefully balanced for it to work though

[chilly thorn]

thats what restraining corpses are for, We aren't Military we are American Police

[cedar mulch]

I'm not sure why VOID ultimately decided to abandon Coyote's original design and enemies. In my view, they were far more terrifying and vicious.

[chilly thorn]

They should have been a mix of all

I don't get why they make character models and then just.. don't use them?

Especially since this game really lacks character model variety on many maps like Carriers for example

I don't see why they changed rust belts designed the new one is still good but the Long tight hallways would have been much scarier.

[cedar mulch]

Yes, these characters could have appeared in Narcos, but they did not.

[chilly thorn]

The old concept art appears to be more tunnel-y and its honestly more realistic for Cartel Tunnels.

[chilly thorn]

I don't think they would fit narcos their clothing is very underground-y

Narcos has good character models for what it is

If this game wants more variety they should have reskins of the same character model to at least appear as if its a different person, Like a suspect having a different color shirt.

[cedar mulch]

Truth be told, it was a bit of a cop-out, as some of them were simply adapted from Elephant shooter

[chilly thorn]

Again maybe this game should add updates that focus on fixing or improving current content rather then new content

[cedar mulch]

At the very least, they ought to reserve these characters for the next DLC.

[chilly thorn]

like an update that does like: "Adds New Character Models to Carriers Of The Vine"

[chilly thorn]

In your pictures for the Cut Rust Belt suspects you missed the best one

that shirtless dude with the Jesus Tattoos looks straight out of max payne

I believe he was used in Three Letter Triad

[merry pawn]

[cedar mulch]

Pirates are essentially a watered-down version of LL. However, they originate from Central America.

[icy wraith]

yeah, we all know that, but still. No other game for the military-esque itch than this one anyway. I mod my game to my liking, so... it would be good to have a realistic response

[cedar mulch]

VOID has grown rather lazy; In fast-food map, using some rather outdated characters

[tacit gull]

They've basically been doing that since 1.0

[cedar mulch]

They always seem to take a delight in deliberately not using certain characters and heavily modified maps.

[chilly thorn]

I wouldn't say its lazy as most of those models were made for fast food to begin with

Apart from the Suit Girl and The NeoNz Biker

You know who at void isn't lazy

[cedar mulch]

Stolen Valor map was originally designed as a sunset map, and its level of bloodshed surpasses that of the current version.

[chilly thorn]

New Stolen Valor is better

It was originally intended to be an MLO map as well

The Nighttime vibe is better

[chilly thorn]

Zach Bower did not need to cook up a whole new version of fast food he coulda just used the old one but hes goated so..

[vale needle]

is there any persistent leaning feature, i keep having to pretzel my fingers in order to lean and move at the same time

[lost inlet]

Use toggle lean.

Unbind normal lean.

[vale needle]

thx

[smoky mantle]

@deep crag yo

[thick dome]

just did 2 man S tier valley of volls..man, that was kinda nuts

had 8 bads in the 1 gallery room by the outdoor area

[haughty oriole]

Man this game should add some friendly fire penalties for coop

Lately I've been running in 90% stupid ass motherfuckers

they would stop if they got a 24 hour ban from online gameplay

[feral blaze]

Can the ai see the laser?

[haughty oriole]

Yeah absolutely they can

They can also see torches as well

Just use the IR night vision laser if you don't want them to see

[feral blaze]

Thanks bro 🙏

[jolly verge]

No

[quasi coral]

Agreed, but I can see it being a morning map too

[keen blade]

does anyone know how to set up auto hotkey so that i can command each ai element (red n blue) to do specific things? like flash and clear a room with a key press etc

on pc

[dapper hemlock]

Hey zaddy devs can you please give us console players a CRYE JPC 2.0 😘

[wide spear]

Does the supporter stuff come to console if I support the devs?

[jolly verge]

Supporter edition is no longer available, so nope

[wide spear]

Fuck

Maybe

[north hamlet]

I just want a few more DLC missions

[stone bay]

guys why the swat ai sometime no follow orders

[tacit gull]

because programming hard

[stone bay]

before alway follow order

[tacit gull]

it was always like this

[stone bay]

k

[cosmic arrow]

They’re idiots

Had two dudes file in and die to one gunman in the Taco restaurant (they didnt pie their corners and just walked in like sardines in a can)

[tacit gull]

Hey man sounds like they were atleast facing forwards, someone won the lottery

[cosmic arrow]

I posted a clip in #🎬ron-clips-and-media and you can see my shield man just taking fire and barely reacting

[cosmic arrow]

True just how they walk in with half a brain….

[dapper granite]

so I remember someone here telling me that wall penetration is the same for both players and ai

I just saw this guy use an UZI to spray me down through a metal door while my 7.62 couldnt even punch through

go figure

also tried wallbanging brixley through a door with the mark V and it couldn't penetrate it for some reason but then 7.62 worked

I swear the bullet pen system is really inconsistent in this game

[jolly verge]

What door exactly? Real steel doors can't be penetrated with anything but only rifle caliber with AP ammo

[jolly verge]

Well that true actually

[dapper granite]

I can show screenshots, should I post them in #🎬ron-clips-and-media or #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[cedar mulch]

I'd like to use suspect weapons. It would be splendid if VOID could introduce a PvP mode next year.

[lost inlet]

If i get a coin for everytime a ron player suggesting boid to adds PVP mode, i’d be able to afford the game on a discount.

[cedar mulch]

A new PvP mode is imperative, though it will align more closely with VOID's narrative style and cannot be traditional.

[jolly verge]

Sure in screenshots or you can DM me

[thick dome]

0 interest in pvp. would just divert resources from improving the game

[quasi coral]

^^ 🗣️🗣️🔥

[chilly thorn]

They most likely never will add pvp

it got so much backlash when it came out

[tacit gull]

It got so much backlash because it was the most tonedeaf, borderline braindead marketing play i think i've ever seen

[robust shadow]

Does anyone else have an issue where loadouts disapear?

[quasi coral]

It used to happen yes, presets or like the actual loadout just resetting?

[robust shadow]

Presets and sometimes optics don't load in either

[quasi coral]

I see, I can't help you with this, but try making multiple presets to sacrifice to the bug lords so your other presets are safe

[cedar mulch]

They removed the old PVP because it went too far. But given their desire to make money, the emergence of new PVP was inevitable. If they truly cared about opinions, there wouldn't be any censorship.

The crux lies in whether they truly desire another traditional PvP experience or are willing to innovate and create new forms.

[tacit gull]

The old PVP definetly had a lot of unique features to it, i don't think uniqueness was the problem

[robust shadow]

Yeah I have multiple ones the issue has been there for a while

[tacit gull]

The problem is that they put out what was basically a pre-alpha with unfinished assets, features, visuals and pushed that out to influencers with an event

There's also the fact that people didn't really like the unique mechanics either, everyone moaned about stuns and arrests being annoying

[cedar mulch]

The new PvP should strive to create a scripted experience, minimising the competitive element as much as possible. For instance, by mandating objective-based victories.

[small gate]

is there a button to toggle between zooms on 1-4x scopes?

[tacit gull]

no

[small gate]

damn

[quasi coral]

We will get em next update of Q1 2026 :D

[severe lake]

Can you breach locked doors with a shotgun

[jolly verge]

Nope but you can break the wooden door with any gun

[junior palm]

Anyone else get fps drop and bullet casing stuck in the air after shooting?

[jolly verge]

#archived-known-issues message

[thick dome]

next update

[bitter mason]

Much like 1.0

[vale plume]

I see in the new update there will be a new hybrid sight

[coarse sail]

im pretty new and was wondering what do i do if my current squad of officers are all at crisis level stress, my therapy is full, and i dont have any more slots

im just gonna risk it if they resign they resign

[jolly verge]

Arrest more suspects alive and officers will be content again

[coarse sail]

oh ok thank you

[bitter mason]

The strategy is going onto gas station with less lethal and arresting everyone lol

Ive never even bothered myself with commander mode tbh
Quick play all the way

[coarse sail]

saw this wayyy too late, i uh may have gone into my next mission (a lethal obsession) and died

officer jones died too

will remember that thougj thanks

[bitter mason]

Eah they are expendable you just will have to get their abilities unlocked again

[coarse sail]

they all resigned 😭

[bitter mason]

Lol

[whole plume]

Been popping achievements like theyre sweets out here today

Having a remarkable amount of fun

[prime spear]

Hey.

[latent crescent]

PvP will never come to this game, they tried before and it was complete horse shit

[latent crescent]

using the LPVO itself? no
switching to iron sights? yeah its called pressing P on pc or idk the button on console

if ur on console its a bit sad for u innit

[jolly verge]

[prime spear]

How much did you have to yap your ass off for Sergeant.

[jolly verge]

Literally just asked CM for ability to post screenshots in tech support channel

[crude prism]

#💬general-discussion message

[whole plume]

Fr

But doing the achievements can give one a little joy ig

Also tips for beating 3 Letter Triad at C or above?

I got it beat at a D last time out

Thanks, I am getting of for the night now but that could be helpful if I keep struggling

[vale plume]

I see it should have a new update of 45 degree holo sight or red dot

[latent crescent]

canted sights are coming with the functional lpvo update

[dim cypress]

What's the best way to stop officers from getting stressed too quickly?

[jolly verge]

Arresting suspects alive instead of killing every one of them

[dim cypress]

Most of the time, my officers kill the suspects before I can pull out my taser

[jolly verge]

Using traits that increases stress heal from arresting, reduces stress gain from kills or the one that adds flat chance to make suspect surrender on compliance shout

[dim cypress]

Also, I'm trying to find the beanbag shotgun and equip it but have no idea where it is in the armory
Nevermind, just found it..

[jolly verge]

Shotguns category

M32A1 is better anyway

[dim cypress]

So uhh

[dim cypress]

Any way to stop them from shooting the suspect instead of using non-lethal?

I literally have no time to pull out my taser normally before the suspect gets destroyed

[jolly verge]

2 negotiators will do the trick

Use grenades too

On breaches

[dim cypress]

By negotiators, do you mean their skill?

[jolly verge]

Trait, yes

[dim cypress]

I've got 1 veteran, 1 SBAGS and 2 nutritionists

[jolly verge]

Yeah, useless build

[dim cypress]

yeah i got this game like 2 hours ago 😭

3 of my officers are in therapy rn

its really not looking good

[jolly verge]

Find 2 negotiators 1 armorer and keep 1 nutritionist

[dim cypress]

no SBAGS?

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's useless

Negotiator is far better

[dim cypress]

ive got 1 negotiator so far

but hes in therapy and it has a 3 in the middle of the circle

[jolly verge]

That's only 25%

You need 2 for 50%

[dim cypress]

no armorer

[dim cypress]

does that mean like a 50% chance for suspects to surrender straight away?

[jolly verge]

https://youtu.be/OLLeGK0-xJc?si=j4KlwntzkqskPT-Q

Yes

[dim cypress]

damn thats insane

does arresting suspects normally REDUCE stress? or just stop officers from gaining stress

[jolly verge]

2 pacifiers with M32A1 make it even more easier

[jolly verge]

Officers gain random amount of stress from 0.04 to 0.08 per kill and 30% more if officer responsible for a kill, arresting suspect alive heals 0.08 stress, civilian - 0.03

[dim cypress]

ahh okay

this system is pretty good but quite confusing

[jolly verge]

It's very simple

[dim cypress]

are they guaranteed to give up if I beanbag them?

Or is it like a chance thing

[jolly verge]

Nope, you have to yell when they stunned. If you have pacifier trait which does adds flat chance to force suspect surrender on stun - yes

[dim cypress]

Sorry for the questions - is there a way to disarm booby traps (tripwires behind doors) from the other side of the door?

[marsh lark]

Yeah, you have to peek the door

[jolly verge]

This or use a C2 and make some distance

[peak depot]

I used to play with 2 negotiators and 2 intimidators, %80 percentage of suspects were surrendering. Some of them were dropping their guns before even seeing swat lol

[jolly verge]

2 intimidators were op before taser nerf

[fringe jacinth]

Did anyone prefer the alpha uniforms compared the uniforms we have now?

[peak depot]

What happened to taser

[jolly verge]

Range 10m instead of 20m and shooting from it now count as gunshot, which makes intimidator harder to keep working or pretty much useless

[peak depot]

Also staying quiet and firing suppressed and less shots were really helpful

[peak depot]

I used taser like less than 5 times in the game so idk lol

Gas was good though

Actually i just played the game after a few months and issue is not only gas but AI shows very strange behavior

Swat ai sometimes doesn't shoot back and making them stack in a door is like sending them to death lmao

[peak depot]

Is the rumors about gas true? Is it a bug intentional nerf?

[jolly verge]

Swat si is broken after LSS

[peak depot]

Can we just reverse back to like dlc 1 update or something like that

I wouldn't buy the dlcs or the game if i knew it was gonna be like that

Even most important bugs are not fixed for months and game is not fun anymore because of that

Not to mention no roadmap or hotfixes at all

[jolly verge]

You can, devs not

Taser was OP before LSS

Big nerf without them testing it

[peak depot]

Yeah i agree with that

Irl tasers are pretty inaccurate and unreliable

[peak depot]

Biggest problem is radius, when i ordered swat to gas and clear it already wasn't stunning enemies before swat ai breach the door. But now i can't even use myself.

Also they changed the instant effect a while ago afaik, right now it takes time for the gas to cover some distance

Maybe that happened with dlc 1 update i don't remember

[jolly verge]

It's was never instant

At least since 1.0 release, idk about anything from ADAM

[peak depot]

I guess it might be for ADAM

They should have changed the swat ai behavior when implementing that

[jolly verge]

The times where 40mm shell on the ground would kill you if you step on it

[peak depot]

You could kill suspects with stinger launcher

[peak depot]

No i mean ai should breach the room after the gas dispersed, even when gas was working it wasn't very logical to order gas and clear to ai. Because they enter like they threw a flash nade

So they still kill or get shot before gas shows its effects

[jolly verge]

Yeah, guess it's too hard add a delay before they rush in

To not break them

[peak depot]

Wrote that months ago but who gives a shit about gameplay?

Anyway devs did a lot of money with the latest console release, they probably won't give a flying fuck about what we want for a few more months

Maybe they will just reverse the changes and say "look, we fixed the game and added new things". Like m32 launcher that was in game way before 1.0 then added again as a "new" gun. I don't exactly remember but i guess m14 was in the game too.

[coarse sail]

switched mine to the back tick cuz p is way to far for me lol

can anybody spare some tips for "the spider"? i think thats the one atleast, im struggling and keep dying on it

[latent crescent]

murder everyone and come back to it when u dont suck

and use real cqb techniques, watch some vids on it

u’ll come back and make brixley the star of the show instead of the…
yeah!

[light wagon]

Is RoN in general poorly optimized? I have a 4k 60hz tv and an Xbox Series X but when I put on fidelity mode the fps goes to like 12

[latent crescent]

dont put on fidelity, problem solved

[coarse sail]

oh... yeah!

[light wagon]

No really???? I was asking a question

[latent crescent]

its an UE5 game, take a rough guess

its well optimised on pc, dont know about console im afraid but i highly doubt it is

[light wagon]

I just feel like fidelity mode is pointless at least on console for me

[latent crescent]

i personally turn em off cause for the first part idk what it really does and if my screen can even see the difference

[coarse sail]

i believe i have it on fidelity, not sure, and im also on series x

i dont really have issues except for bullet cases staying in the air sometimes but that doesnt really bother me at all 🤷

[solemn patio]

Aw damn

Itd be hillarious if the AI SWAT said stuff when you looked at the ladies on neon tomb too long

[chilly thorn]

holy fov

Taser is still rather good.

[vale plume]

It’s also a last resort to a non complient combatant

[chilly thorn]

The fact that the Taser has a higher chance to kill then the beanbag or the fucking flash launcher baffles me

The flash launcher realisticly would incap somebody if you hit them with it directly maybe even kill them

[vale plume]

Non lethal guns is also fatal

[chilly thorn]

The Swat 4 beanbag is rather irritating with how lethal it can be tbh tho

they will die sometimes if you hit them in their toes not even incap full dead

[vale plume]

Beanbag gun will also damage body armor

I see how stupid call of duty is

I don’t know about 1 AR shot to the center mass will be instant fatality

[cedar mulch]

I have already stated that the reason for the demise of the old PVP was that they overdid it. But driven by profit, the emergence of new PVP is only a matter of time—though it will never take the same form as the old PVP.

[copper dome]

Depends where hit

[lost inlet]

They’re most likely faking death.

[copper dome]

Wasn’t the old pvp super cool like you could shut off the breaker and lights

[austere rain]

is there any longtime RoN players that still find enjoyment from the game? i have almost 500 hours playtime and It is starting to run dry for me

[cedar mulch]

Old PVP possesses a certain distinctiveness, yet it remains inclined towards the traditional.

[vale plume]

I body shot them unarmored they don’t even wanna die suddenly

[lost inlet]

…what?

Holy grammar.

[vale plume]

They don’t even wanna die 1 ar shot to the chest

[copper dome]

He shoot’s them in the body when they don’t have armour and they don’t want to die instantly

Use jhp it fixes that problem generally

[vale plume]

I did say that

[copper dome]

I was clarifying for that guy

Since I don’t think he understood

[vale plume]

JHP is not gonna even fucking pierce

[lost inlet]

Well yeah, depend on the round and difficulty that you’re playing, certain rifle round can and can not one shot enemies on the torso.

[vale plume]

I know

[vale plume]

I see hard is really unrealistic

[vale plume]

I did say the AR in this game is stupid

[copper dome]

If they have no armour you don’t need to pierce

[vale plume]

Even unarmored shoot to death armor piercing

[lost inlet]

Obviously, hard wasn’t designed with real world’s logics in mind.

Just play standard.

[vale plume]

It’s so fucking stupid that hostile has extremely straight aim, never misses, super gun resistant, doesn’t feel the pain of (tasers, explosives)

[vale plume]

I know man

[cedar mulch]

VOID is rubbish; they haven't improved SWAT AI in Hard mode.

[vale plume]

Even on standard they’re total morons

[cedar mulch]

At Hard difficulty setting, SWAT team's AI should be stronger than suspects, not weaker.

[vale plume]

I guess, still swat squad members are incompatible

[cedar mulch]

They don't seem to have done a very good job with suspect AI either. In replays, they appear to teleport or move at high speeds, sometimes even walking straight into walls.

[urban coral]

Is it just me or do the ai have the tendency to shoot at the back of your head if an enemy appears and youre in-between them and you?

I might be tripping

But I find it easier to do it without the ai

[copper dome]

Never been friendly fired by my ai

[urban coral]

I think im tripping then

[vale plume]

Team squad blocks my way , doesn’t provide cover, doesn’t think critically, too slow, very catastrophic, shot a hostage and hostage killer simultaneously, got in my fucking way

[coarse sail]

brooo i was doing ides of march for the first time and the ONE door i dont wand blows me and my officer and snd kills us both 😭

[gentle void]

Is there a way to stop team AI from automatically cuffing suspects?

Except telling them to hold every time

Team AI brain becomes a goddamn potato on hard mode

[coarse sail]

are some guys just immune to pepper balls? i shot a guy like 15 times with pepper and he didnt react to the actual pepper he just kept shooting

[last dawn]

is the party crasher achievement broken? i apprehended sah'id before the order and got all civs and objectives but not the achievement

[jolly verge]

No one is immune to pepperballs, you need hit them 4 times to stun on standart difficulty

[coarse sail]

oh ok thanks

[flint lion]

When are they gonna fix the floating shell Casings?

[jolly verge]

Already fixed on Dev build, wait for the next patch

[livid yew]

does anyone know what graphics settings i should set to be able to see clearer, I'm going for big shell specialist but cant see anything (cant make out suspects from that far)

[gritty dome]

im not even gonna try to S rank all mission until this shitty AI is fixed

[jolly verge]

Disabling fog would help but you have to edit engine.ini

[livid yew]

any quick fixes?

if not i will do that

[jolly verge]

You don't really need to do anything, 30m is not that far away unless you check right side on helipad, just take optic and you should be fine with it

[livid yew]

is right side of helipad easier?

[marsh lark]

You can also do it with the camera unlocker mod and it's console commands, though I believe it always resests to default and you'd have to type the command every time you start the game

[jolly verge]

Or this yeah

Simple mod menu also have console

[livid yew]

does it affect achievements?

[jolly verge]

I mean under rig on the right side when you spawn on helipad

[jolly verge]

Nope

You can use any mod you want

[livid yew]

damn alright

also, do you know any good tactics to bait them to that lower catwalk/walkway? i think thats how it is in english

[jolly verge]

Idk, just spawn till you see suspects on the left, right side

[sonic harbor]

when more maps for los suenos story?

[livid yew]

half life 3

[jolly verge]

Just in case here's how 30m looks like

[livid yew]

very useful thank you

[jolly verge]

[gritty dome]

rich dlc owners talking here

[sonic harbor]

he's doing it right?

he's doing what i think

[jolly verge]

Yes

[livid yew]

doing what?

[sonic harbor]

achiv

[livid yew]

i died :/

[jolly verge]

[livid yew]

jesus i need to work on my aim before i play this

HOI4 has ruined my aim

[sonic harbor]

use this garand looking weapon

with scopre

[livid yew]

i would

but i just got the first of 2 required shots 🙏

[flint lion]

Hope it comes soon

[livid yew]

so i cant waste this run

[jolly verge]

Nah just use a gun with the lowest recoil, 7.62x51 wont make any difference here

[livid yew]

I GOT IT

YES

thank you aspid bro you saved me hours of trying 🙏

on to sleeper agent :/

nah i would rather beat the game on hard then try sleeper agent again

[sonic harbor]

need help?

[livid yew]

with hard?

[sonic harbor]

i mean i have no mercy mod so feel free to kill

but i was thinking about sleeper agent but we need more pepole

[livid yew]

what is no mercy? i dont really ever mod RoN

[livid yew]

yeah true

maybe if we start asking around

[sonic harbor]

basiclly you dont need to arrest terrorists and collect their evidence by killing them you get 35 points (same for cuffing)

you just need to report body

[livid yew]

does it affect achievements?

[sonic harbor]

nah

[livid yew]

perfect

[sonic harbor]

i got 3 S ranks with this i needed for medal of valor

[livid yew]

i already S'd every mission and got developers ruined watch but i could help ya if you want

[sonic harbor]

nah i already got them and hermit achiv too so dont need but thanks anyway

[livid yew]

ah i see, so just hard and sleeper agent must we work on then?

[sonic harbor]

i mean all you need for hard is just campaign no dlc

but we need 3 pepoles more

[livid yew]

for hard or sleeper?

[sonic harbor]

for sleeper

i can make much larger server

for example 10 officers

[hollow tangle]

can i join

[sonic harbor]

yeah

[livid yew]

guess we need all the people we can get

[surreal pelican]

Goodluck with sleeper lads

Don't mean to barge in, but when I did sleeper I used the main lobby cache as the bait (took main lobby entrance too)

[sonic harbor]

i mean i dont need sleeper agent i have all achivs im helping from my free will

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[livid yew]

damn thank you ig

[surreal pelican]

If I had to choose between doing Hard mode all over again on Non Lethal or Sleeper Agent, I think hard mode

Spent 5 hours trying to do the run and gun method without success

[sonic harbor]

lol we dont need non lethal

no mercy mod save the day

[livid yew]

"we don't negotiate with terrorists"

[surreal pelican]

Have fun slaughtering them

[sonic harbor]

my LMG mod keep crashing game i have to stick with arwc

[surreal pelican]

ARN-180 works well too

[livid yew]

i just use SR-16 idk if its good

[surreal pelican]

I still don't know how I did Hard Mode NL on Greased Palms, I got cooked on it while trying to redo it on Standard Lethal

[surreal pelican]

Classic, I just use the weapons based on looks and if I like it

[livid yew]

greased palms on S almost broke me

[surreal pelican]

Relapse or Greased Palms? Which is worse?

[livid yew]

both i hate both

[sonic harbor]

not bragging but i did palms on my first try and spider took me whole night

[livid yew]

but prob greased palms due to it being much earlier in the game

[surreal pelican]

Imho I feel greased palms is more predictable wheras relapse is just snsnsnskksoqlqqnnwnsns

[surreal pelican]

Nice, I think it took me 5-7 tries to get it on Hard S for GP

[livid yew]

did relapse yesterday after 2 days of attempts

[surreal pelican]

Fun right

[livid yew]

bro is actually simo hayha

[surreal pelican]

I took the main lobby entrance instead of the underground one

Coz stupid bridge firefight always happens at the bridge if you take the underground

Funny how I still feel upset when my AI dies even on quickplay..

[sonic harbor]

btw we can do fool me once/twice if needed when doing hard

[livid yew]

i go underground parking lot bc if u get the hardest part dont first with all ur equipment lobby complex is easier

[livid yew]

already got it

[surreal pelican]

Ooo nice, I took main lobby coz of that stupid bridge

It's worse when trying to do it on Hard

[livid yew]

i just got lucky i think no one shot at me when i crossed it

[surreal pelican]

Nicee

[livid yew]

i shiver at the thought

[surreal pelican]

All M32A1 flash, heavy ceramic for ai and use 2x Pacifiers, 1x Negotiator and Armourer

(and ballistic face mask with anti flash goggles)

[livid yew]

i did all my missions through quick play...

[surreal pelican]

(and 1 wedge slot for em)

[surreal pelican]

o

Nice

[livid yew]

i hate myself 😭

[surreal pelican]

Quick play counts towards achievements too don't worry

That's how I got sleeper agent (everyone except prescott died)

[livid yew]

yeah i know but the nutritionist and armourer buffs with negotiator too arghhhh

[livid yew]

RIP prescott his lines are the best of all of them

[surreal pelican]

True.. but hey, don't need to worry about team stress and their permadeath

[surreal pelican]

nah Prescott was the sole survivor 😭

[livid yew]

oh damn

[surreal pelican]

The chosen one with the shotgun I think

[livid yew]

he is him

[surreal pelican]

Indeed

[sonic harbor]

i mean i have mod for bigger inv so i can take 20 gas grenades

[surreal pelican]

God damn

[livid yew]

what the fuck

atp just turn the whole building into a gas chamber

[sonic harbor]

my RoN is slowly turn into some serious minecraft shit

[livid yew]

thats why i stay away from modding i learned from RDR2 the hard way

200 GB of mods in the files

[surreal pelican]

I carry 4 mags JHP and 2 mags JHP and 7 bangers

[livid yew]

JHP?

AP is like more cag tho

[sonic harbor]

btw i can make my limit inv to max 100 so i remove all my weapons and spam gas grens

[livid yew]

bro what

[surreal pelican]

gg

[sonic harbor]

i dont abuse it dw

[livid yew]

im startin to feel bad for the suspects 😭

[livid yew]

good

[sonic harbor]

i only download it for more flashes in inv

[livid yew]

flashbangs are cag

[sonic harbor]

and mags

[livid yew]

i always bring like 15 mags yknow just in case a civy starts resistin

[jolly verge]

AP 🤮

[sonic harbor]

i carry 5 mags ,3 flashes,2 stuns,lockpick gun,c2

[livid yew]

😲 🤯

SR-16 or ARWC

[surreal pelican]

I thought cs got nerfed?

[surreal pelican]

Both use 5.56 right

[livid yew]

yeah

[hollow tangle]

on which server are yall

[jolly verge]

ARWC has a big angle recoil from injured arm, don't use it

[livid yew]

so is the G36C best?

[jolly verge]

Recoil wise only

5.56 is the worst rifle caliber and G36C have med RoF (666rpm)

[livid yew]

5.56 is bad??????? impossible

[jolly verge]

This is the only rifle caliber that can't pen level 2 armor with JHP ammo

[livid yew]

so is .300 or 7.62 a better cal then

[jolly verge]

Any other rifle caliber is better, by damage, stagger chance and armor class pen while using JHP

[lost inlet]

it also has access to the best sight in the game.

[jolly verge]

Arn-180 is the best rifle for any mission and difficulty

[livid yew]

i trusted you before, it worked ill do it again

[lost inlet]

[jolly verge]

Just switch to AP ammo on Elephant, Sins of the Father and Leviathan missions so you can pen level 4 armor

[livid yew]

i will do that but for the future what is a overall gun that is good for everything (and ammo type)

[jolly verge]

Literally arn-180

[livid yew]

what attachments then?

[jolly verge]

On 23 missions you can stick with JHP, on other 3 with AP

[livid yew]

damn

[jolly verge]

SFMB and vertical grip for 50% recoil reduction (you can slap SDR optic for another 20% ), other grips have no effect on rifles and suppressor is useless if you not familiar with suspects stress mechanic

[livid yew]

alright thank you

yo @jolly verge you were not lying this gun feels great

basically a honey badger

[last dawn]

elephant took me 3 tries (i couldnt find the last bomb until the last attempt)

also for the decaying city achievement, do i need to get b rank or will c rank suffice

because theyre all c rank and the progress shows 1/3

[jolly verge]

C grade or higher on standart

[last dawn]

ok i need to go redo those because my steam bugging

[torpid onyx]

nah let me put a 510c or Holo on it

atleast we will actually finally be able to do that in the upcoming attachment overhaul

[sonic harbor]

twisted nerve on hard is pure torture

[fervent hinge]

Does the mission still counts toward the hard mode achievement
If I get a F ranking?

[jolly verge]

Nope, this trophy require at least 80% of max score - B grade

[surreal pelican]

Wedges

I cleared the tunnel system at the backyard first then started clearing the first house via back entrance

[fervent hinge]

Guhhhhhh

[surreal pelican]

If you're struggling, just give your ai teammates M32A1 flash launchers

And have one of em use the shield with TRPL

[fervent hinge]

This strat is still good for even the hard mode?

[surreal pelican]

Yea

I managed to clear all missions in the game on hard mode while getting S rank for it

Just let your AI wear ceramic heavy, all M32A1 flash launchers and with ballistic face shield and anti flash, give them 1 wedge slot too

[fervent hinge]

Well guess I'm using this
I only need the hard mode achievement for the plat

[surreal pelican]

Then for you just wear light armour (for extra primary ammo slots)

[fervent hinge]

I use a real gun?

[surreal pelican]

Goodluck

[surreal pelican]

Nah M32A1 flash, easier to get S rank and much less risky

Oh and if you're on commander mode trying to get it, I suggest having 2x Pacifiers, 1x Armourer and 1x Negotiator

For some maps like greased palms I took like 2-3 flashbangs coz of the wide ass area at conveyor belt

[surreal pelican]

What about pistol?

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission but 50AE oneshots everyone with JHP on limbs shot or with AP on torso hit up to level 3

[subtle palm]

female operators now PLSS, atleast give it a thought

Suggestion Lindsay and hailey Upton from Chicago pd

[bitter mason]

They said they would be added
Still waiting

[latent crescent]

u sound like u believe the age of consent should be lower

[tacit gull]

[cedar mulch]

If VOID truly valued player feedback, there would be no censorship.

[surreal pelican]

Gp will forever be the bane of me

[gritty dome]

oml i finally fixed the graphical problem i had

my nvidia autoset to DLAA instead of quality

[latent crescent]

funny guy

[marsh lark]

Censorship happened in order to allow the game to be released on other platforms.

There is nothing more, nothing less.

[sterile scroll]

so flash grenades have the range of t-rex arms balright

[sterile scroll]

boo

[cedar mulch]

The fundamental aim is to make money, and PvP can also be monetised. Therefore, this was only a matter of time.

[tacit gull]

Making PVP paid would lead to even more bad PR

[cedar mulch]

They publish to other platforms and have accepted censorship, which means they prioritise profit.

[tacit gull]

Especially since its always been promised to be a free addition

[cedar mulch]

PVP is unlikely to become paid DLC. What I actually mean is that VOID might introduce a new PVP mode to attract players from other games.

[latent crescent]

yeah just ignore the fact a bunch of mfs wanted this game on console

including me, but i ended up having a laptop to play on anyway 💀

[marsh lark]

No, it means they want to have more players. Yes it gives them more money, but that the "money first" argument falls short.

[tacit gull]

The money first argument can easily be made better with the 1.0 release

[marsh lark]

Which studio does not want to have more people playing their game, and it does not matter what the reason behind it is. It can be money, it can be that they want more players, there are lots of reasons. But people always downplay it to greed or money.

[latent crescent]

dont bother with him, i can smell the corporate dick gargling from here

[marsh lark]

So, respectfully I disagree. We all have our opinions, we all want the game to go in a certain direction, we all have different visions and things we like about the game. But going out to try and make a statement with the words "money, greed ..." is not right.

[quasi coral]

I think, while it's probably not entirely to do with super greedy EA shit, I still think there are many ways they can show that.

I feel like the distancing from the community has played a major part in the overload of backlash and clear signs of hostility

[cedar mulch]

This is merely speculation based on this year's performance. After all, their reputation this year is considerably worse than last year's.

After all, defending VOID is strictly forbidden on Reddit. Otherwise, you'll get thoroughly roasted.

[latent crescent]

so u think pvp is the solution? wild

[marsh lark]

People are free to have their opinion, simple as that. No one should worry about a bunch of people they do not know criticizing them over what they think.

It is nothing more than a bunch of letters for a name with a profile picture.

[cedar mulch]

This is not about the solution; it is VOID acknowledging the flaws in the old PVP and demonstrating a willingness to introduce a new PVP.

[latent crescent]

this game is NOT built for PvP have u even played this game?

[trim dirge]

i think we should be worried about the bugs