👮ron-discussion

[tacit gull]

You're not even shown it directly

[marsh lark]

Correct, but I am not sure if the condition is that it is located in the game, or if you have to be shown/the one doing it

[tacit gull]

gatr

[covert aurora]

🙂

[tacit gull]

I really doubt there's guidelines that specify if you're torturing someone or not

of course rockstar can just fart money aswell as reputation in front of the rating boards, there's not doubt in my mind about that, but i think the political implication of swat officers turning people into doormats probably influenced the decision aswell

[bold sky]

aside from the less lethal is there a caliber in this game that swat uses but suspects never use

[bold sky]

wrong channel to bark at the devs ngl this channel is to vent

if you want to start anything in this channel you need to rally people

quite frankly theres plenty of changes people voiced since beta, some of them went thru some of them not, but getting more people to complain with you loud enough can help

[valid wave]

speaking of venting.....just did Valley of the Dolls non-lethal twice for S tier and both times missed a single weapon somewhere in the vast hellscape. Despite sending the fellas to Search and Secure multiple times and despite personally sweeping multiples times in a methodical fashion. Must have clipped through stairs or something.

So weird to be annoyed about an A+ rating

guess I'll have to try that .....if it happens again

[bold sky]

maid work messing w your s rank is a common occurence

that wont save you really

i had issue w that, ive been uber vocal about it since beta, nothing got changed anw and if you try talking to people about it in this channel the reception is install mods

[valid wave]

also, how many taser charges can you pack?

Kinda feel like loading up on as many as possible

[bold sky]

not a big fan of taser for s rank unmodded

[valid wave]

what's a mod? <Xbox face>

[bold sky]

ikr kekw

[valid wave]

...wouldn't be for S rank.

https://tenor.com/view/ready-electrocuted-doc-brown-gif-24199616

[bold sky]

i mean what do you realistically use taser for

most of the suspects you can taser can be nade or beanbagged

better off w bugspray if you want to make civ compliant faster

[valid wave]

my go-to loadout tends to have 1x Taser.

Learned behavior after Greased Palms where you have to take that corrupt agent into custody despite him blasting at you. That way I can run lethal, but still whip out the taser for 1-2 people

[balmy nymph]

taser is awesome

[bold sky]

you can wait until they buff gas again (maybe) then just get free s rank even on unmodded

i mean every s rank the suspect is shooting you and you still have to arrest them anw?

[valid wave]

I only go non-lethal for S rank (like most people, I take it). I don't enjoy non-lethal, but you can't not try for that rank now and then

[bold sky]

when people say s rank im thinking of annoying stuff like hokan and leviathan

crap frame rate, fairly large map w open sections for hokan and constant elevation or objects that are penetrable by firearms for leviathan

[wind gyro]

whats the point of going non-lethal to not get an s rank 🤔

[bold sky]

a slot of taser unironically is detrimental when everything you carries matter

its use case is limited really, again you need to get relatively close, which you can beanbag or if you had an extra nade that would be safer if you know where they are alr

[valid wave]

I have trouble with the immersion for non-lethal for some maps. Like Neon Tomb.

"AQ T e r r o r i st with bomb vests that have already taken out everyone and swear they will not be taken alive."

<loads bean bag rounds>

^ruins the immersion for me

[bold sky]

getting s rank without mods is like a puzzle game

[valid wave]

well that's my point. I've run it for the rank but its a chore

[bold sky]

its not for everyone but if you like rng problem solving then yeah

its also awkward rn for unmodded bc you either do it in singleplayer, which is more convenient bc you can do a search and secure at the end w the bots and that save you time

[wind gyro]

wdym unmodded, just use a launcher

[bold sky]

or you can grab the boys with you, and now you can have a few deaths (depending on map side) but no maid service

s rank w real people is theoretically infinitely easier but again you are at the absolute mercy of stuff not falling thru the floor

bots can sometimes pickup stuff that you cant even touch or see

[valid wave]

I've not had much luck in multiplayer, tbh.

People either Leroy Jenkins it, giggle and just shoot everything in sight (that gets uncomfortable fast), or they just don't coordinate well.

I've had one match where we actually worked together and that's what the game is supposed to be.....but it's so few and far between.

Mostly randoms since my crew and I all work differnet schedules and whatnot

[bold sky]

you need to get a proper pug in some sort of chat before doing that w people who actually want to do puzzle solving w you

i dont usually join s rank group but ive run into a surprising amount of pug lobbies that want to get s

[valid wave]

yea that's saved me a few times.

And I think the Ides of March there was a glitch where hard evidence could not be interacted with, but the bots could get it with Search and Secure

[valid wave]

I just want to cosplay as 90's SWAT Keanu Reeves

[bold sky]

its big fun solving these maps w them but again my only gripe is im actually putting in time w people trying the game out getting s rank without any mod, and even if its fun i dont enjoy the maid work at the end every time

thats like the only not fun part about it

[valid wave]

I run out of chemlights lol

I wish you could get different colored ones

but that's a me issue

[bold sky]

different color chemlight for different people on the server is a cool idea ngl

helps w organizing who went where

but rn its fine as is so you know someone been there i guess, but ive had groups actually run out of chemlights when we were marking maid work area in leviathan

[marsh lark]

💀

This is still going on

crazy

[void jasper]

Wow I was sitting ingame in the station just choosing a map and all of a sudden my ps5 turns off
I thought it overheated or something but after a few minutes I realized I couldn’t turn it on, even with the controller and even the actual power button on the front. Then I was like “fuck it I guess I’ll watch a movie” and it just turned back on, and the first thing on screen is ps5 scolding me for not turning it off properly 🤦‍♂️

Weird

Probably lost at bunch of progress or cosmetic stuff

Just earlier I got the cerro jackets for getting a B on carriers of the vine
Fuckin thing better be there when I check

Ok 👍🏼 the customization save is intact

… “ITS OKAY PEOPLE, EVERYONE CAN CALM DOWN, BE CALM BE CALM EVERYTHING IS OOOOH KAAAAY”

[latent crescent]

does replay mode work by using ghosts and rendering real time or does it just record footage?

[tacit gull]

lets just say

there's a reason the replay files used to take up gigabytes

[glass heart]

basically only to preserve teammate morale in commander mode

else its better to have everyone bring rifles and kill people

[tacit gull]

tasers are good for free arrests even on lethal runs

[glass heart]

true that

i basically only use them on HVT tho

[latent crescent]

but does it take gigabytes now?

[tacit gull]

you can also bring the flashbang launcher if you want everyone to stare at you

[glass heart]

Compliance Cannon™

[latent crescent]

also how in the hell can void interactive not implement a feature from the 90's 💔
richard burns rally has a better replay feature

[tacit gull]

the feature in the 90's was built into how the engine worked

be nice and thank unreal engine

[zinc lynx]

Any new maps yet

[tacit gull]

no

[glass heart]

there just might be that in the basic weapon qol that should have been in years ago update

but that remains to be seen

[latent crescent]

ofc its unreal engine's fault

[junior palm]

When is the update with those new gun attachments and stuff ?

[bronze crypt]

€

[storm belfry]

-# New at Walmart*

[void jasper]

…

[void jasper]

No one discussing Ron for half an hour…

[ripe pond]

anyone know if its possible right know to do the sucess sleeper agent in solo/lethal/legit ? im trying since yesterday but i just feel like there's a pb somewhere...

[odd pond]

Any tips for relapse and hide and seek S tier theyre my last two and im doing em with ai squad in free play mode

[wraith gale]

go slow, use m23a1 rotary flash on everyone, full steel heavy armor, shields on backs, and check every doom

[vast garden]

whats a good strategy to approach the main warehouse in greased palms in s rank? i usually go in and flash each compartment but i get clipped from a random los locos from out within the shadows

[covert aurora]

Outside work to the back, work inward

So from spawn instead of going in the front door swing a left and follow the outside path

[jade bison]

could anyone provide me with a ready or not video using actual breaching and room clearing tactics?

[reef anvil]

can't figure out if the battering ram is better with the AI than shotguns

[torpid onyx]

its the ram by a mile

shotgun takes way longer since they have to pop it then kick then throw and between each action they buffer for a sec too

the ram is just ram and flash in one mostly fluid motion

[hybrid karma]

Do you know how to clear rooms?

[placid ember]

will there be a discount b4 the winter sale for ron

i wanna buy it for a friend

[wraith gale]

fall sale

[placid ember]

are you trolling

[covert aurora]

probably, to answer your question proper, it's possible that ron goes on sale during the winter sale

[abstract folio]

Arent you able to put multiple attachments on a gun now? Like the overbarrels

Wait nvm

[paper grove]

finally bro only took them so damn long to actually allow multiple rail attcahments

[quasi coral]

Yes finally

I'm tweaking over this rn like DAMN I've been waiting EONS

And I know that Magnifier's gonna have an Eotech combo option

Based on the briefing - Update gap, the updates next month or longer

[potent oak]

Hello Random Strangers! Question: Trying to get dev watch + hermit achivment both at once, and one of my officers just resigned (none have been KIA/Incopasitated) Appariently the achivment is bugged though, and im guessing i wont be able to do both now

which one is invalid now, (watch or hermit)?

[onyx swift]

The Hermit is invalid now

Which also gives the Watch on completion, doesn't it?

I'll check for you

Yeah, ok the Watch is unlocked by the same requirements for The Hermit

Both are invalid

[plain raptor]

Sadly, the description doesn't mention that officers quitting also voids the achievement

basically you need a complete run of the game without "losing", however that might be, any officer

[jolly verge]

Resigned officer invalidate the watch only

[latent crescent]

coming in 2026

[frail pier]

Q4

[stone stump]

2027

[covert furnace]

Five digits

[stoic thistle]

Dawg, I got killed by Eve Nader, it was my first death in my commander mode run.

[torpid onyx]

doesn't she have a 308 rifle it isn't the most surprising thing

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[stoic thistle]

Nah, Eve is unarmed. At least it got me an achievement.

[torpid onyx]

oh I must be thinking of the other HVT

how did you get punched to death

goober

[quasi coral]

Sometimes when you're super low you might try getting close to an HVT in which they will punch you once and you die

[plain raptor]

For the "The fool" achievement, usually you use Voll's wife. She's the safest and easiest aggro NPC you can get to.

[void jasper]

Hey so now we can equip multiple rail attachments?

I haven’t gotten online yet

Anyone?

Anyone?

[marsh lark]

No

It comes with the new update

[void jasper]

Dang it

[marsh lark]

Which will be probably in few weeks

But there has been no official date

[void jasper]

Gotcha 👍🏼thx

Oh yeh I think ppl were discussing it yesterday

I’m an idiot

[potent oak]

Hello Again Random Strangers! Question: The Negotiator “Adds 25/50/55/60% chance for each Negotiator to make suspect immediately surrender after first yell for compliance”

What is the default chance without the Negotiator?

[jolly verge]

0%

[potent oak]

0%? really?

i thought it would be somthing like 10%

[jolly verge]

Yes, that the point of traits

It's force suspect surrender even with max morale or if he shooting at you

[potent oak]

i assume i need to be within line of sight for that?

(me yelling behind a wall doesnt work)

[jolly verge]

Yes

[potent oak]

ok, thanks

[jolly verge]

Yelling behind walls will only increase suspects stress

[pliant frost]

In commander mode if you have at least one negotiator it can actually make them surrender

[void jasper]

How many missions does it usually take to unlock a trait? I never bothered to track it and besides I only have two officers that unlocked their traits tho I can’t remember how many missions it took for em
I was just focused on their stress, and not getting killed :/

[tiny mountain]

~3

[jolly verge]

1 mission after they all participate at least in 1 mission, so 5 missions in total for 4 officers

[tender swallow]

Yo if Any French ppl wanna play hmu

[marsh lark]

There is a french RoN discord located in #alt-languages.

[tender swallow]

Ohhh thnks

[pliant frost]

Officers morals make any difference in their performance ?

[wide verge]

new update when

[jolly verge]

Nope

Just for resign and therapy thing

[unborn echo]

soon

[abstract folio]

Not out yet sadly was wondering how to do it but its not out

[lethal gulch]

greased palms is one bitchass of a mission

took me like 20 tries to do and I did it with an A and two officers incapacitated

luckily valley of the dolls was a bit easier, and I'm hoping the same for elephant

I'll always hate the big machinery area with like 10 suspects that have a lot of cover and who can shoot at you from the other side of the place while you don't even know where they are

[real frigate]

Elephant is easy, fast, and fun. Even on hard mode.

[real frigate]

Wait till you get to Relapse... Greased palms sucks the most but Jesus relapse is a pain

[lethal gulch]

how far am I from relapse? considering I'm on elephant

[real frigate]

You got a good couple more to get through

[silent perch]

Does anyone know by chance if console will ever get mod applications like arma reforger

[void jasper]

Like if players were able to use a certain amount of gigabytes for mods
I remember on reforger it was like 25gb and that was only enough for maybe one server, so there was a lot of download time
Like hours sometimes

I actually don’t mind playing vanilla in fact I guess I prefer it that way
Personal preference I guess even for reforger

[lethal gulch]

oh ok

[silent perch]

I don’t mind playing vanilla I just would like to be able to play maps made by the community

And not be on pc because i just don’t like keyboards

[deep patio]

You...can just... use a controller...

[silent perch]

My current pc i wish it could run RON but no way in hell is that happening and i wouldn’t even dream of mods my pc would explode upon instillation

[void jasper]

I was once a pc gamer…
But I converted to console

[tired jungle]

I was the opposite

[void jasper]

I guess a game like Ron is great for mouse aiming

[void jasper]

You sold your soul, or found it
I dunno

[tired jungle]

It wouldn't be terribly expensive to build a capable pc for ron

[tired jungle]

Mmm, found it

Admittedly i do miss times of gta sa on the ps2 or bo1 or some other great games on ps3

[void jasper]

That’s why I ended up buying a ps5 lol
I didn’t want to upgrade the pc hardware I figured fuck it I’ll buy a console

[tired jungle]

I loved lego games... And stuff like sly cooper

[void jasper]

I’ll admit some pc games are only the best on pc

[tired jungle]

Some of my all time favorite games aren't even on console

[void jasper]

I wish I could play my collection of Homeworld rts games on ps5 but nah
So I dust off my old gaming pc and play em

[marsh lark]

With console prices nowadays it is not even worth it getting console

[wraith gale]

This isn't about RoN. I'll have to ban all of you

[void jasper]

Ahem, but yeh Ron is great!

[wraith gale]

Apparently the next Xbox will be $1200

[marsh lark]

The only drivepoint for consoles was for some exclusive games, which nowadays end up on the PC store anyways. And now? Prices for the new consoles and ongoing ones are so high that it is more worth it saving couple hundred bucks for a PC

[void jasper]

Yeh so… ready or not is such a great game dang idk where to start

[wraith gale]

Consoles are basically a pre-built pc without windows

[void jasper]

I ended up buying a bunch of games twice when I got psn, I already had em on the pc but I didn’t want to get off the couch to play em, so I purchased them on psn…

[wraith gale]

Wish there was a way where that if you bought a cross platform game, you only need to purchase it once. After that, you can use it on any platform

[void jasper]

I agree.
Property is still property even if it’s digital

[wraith gale]

What is it that notch said?

[void jasper]

Notch?

[wraith gale]

guy who made minecraft

[void jasper]

Oh

[wraith gale]

"if purchasing isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing" or sum shi

[void jasper]

lol that’s a good way to put it

Ron is great, btw

Right now I’m customizing my Ron character for winter
I just earned the cerro jackets and I’m building a cold weather customization

[karmic shale]

we cannot be at that point yet i refuse to believe 🙏

[tired jungle]

Not knowing who notch is like...

Not knowing who steve jobs is or some shit

[void jasper]

Relax “notch” could’ve meant anything
And honestly I never played Minecraft so I guess I don’t see the significance

…and who’s this steve jobs guy?
Someone you get to do jobs for you or wha?

Anyway Ron is great

[valid raven]

It would make more sense if they had to unload the gun and then put it in a separate secure evidence bag

[void jasper]

On sins of the father map I brought like, 4-6 wedges and cut off the entire 2nd floor

[valid raven]

Because pretty sure actual swat would do that

Take the mag out and take the round out of the chamber i mean

[plucky zealot]

when are the doing the update that lets u put a flashlight and laser on

[void jasper]

Should be in a few weeks, rumor has it

But then, “a few weeks” could mean 4 weeks, they just don’t wanna say it’ll be months

[jade bison]

No I’m asking people and doing research how to

[plucky zealot]

ahh okay thank you i couldnt find anything like official, that makes sense

[solemn patio]

Why do the people in triple letter triad eat my 556 ap

[severe shell]

why is it that i did every mission up to and including elephant on S and my squad is still stressed

[jolly verge]

You shooting arms over torso with AP ammo that deals only 30% damage on limbs or missing completely, it's better swap to .300 blk, 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 with JHP ammo type

[solemn patio]

Why does 300 blk pen armor better

Wth

[jolly verge]

Yeah, 5.56 is the worst rifle caliber in game because it's JHP can't pen level 3 armor

[solemn patio]

Yeah..

[jolly verge]

So you have to use AP on half of missions in game

which is less effective on limbs shots and less likely will stagger on flesh hit

[solemn patio]

556 is too weak thh

I want to be able to larp

[severe shell]

does anybody know what i did wrong

[solemn patio]

M16a4 when

[hazy oxide]

If anyone from Void sees this can we get back the IR strobes from the pre-Adam update for night vision? The solid team colors on the Helstar 6 defeats the entire point of having an IR strobe

[umbral birch]

Wth do I do when theres a suspect who has a hostage with them and a gun on their head when I have a beanbag shotgun or a gun that won’t kill the guy

[covert aurora]

If you have bangs or the non leathal pistol use that the beanbag shotty has a chance of killing with headshots

[pliant frost]

JHP isn't meant to penetrate armor

When most of the suspects are un-armored I equip JHP, when armored I pick AP

Simple

You just gotta know

[jolly verge]

There is no point to use AP when JHP still pen it

[opaque vapor]

does the game have a suppression mechanic?

[jolly verge]

Using only AP on armored suspects is not effective

[pliant frost]

Why is that buddy, AP makes sense imo, 5.56 is a great all-rounder, low recoil, short barrels...

Why is not effecitve 😭 It's Armor Piercing what do you mean

[jolly verge]

Against player only, shooting near suspects will only damage their morale, that wont make them cover or anything else

[opaque vapor]

what about if I keep firing at a door whilst my friend gets ready to peak it? will they still peak?

[jolly verge]

Example
Level 2 armor suspect
Both AP and JHP 5.56 pens it, but AP deal only 30% damage on limbs and less likely to stagger on flesh hit, while JHP still as effective as if suspect were unarmored in this case

[jolly verge]

That will do nothing but stress suspects, making them alert and ready to shoot right after your entry

[opaque vapor]

ohhh ok i see

[pliant frost]

only 30%?! Didn't know that... But still in my feeling, AP 5.56 feels good. On L3A armor e.g 3-4 shots and he's gone

[opaque vapor]

Also noticed Ive never actually had a suspect just drop a gun by seeing you, or if you shout, alwaus have to use flashbangs or non lethals

[pliant frost]

But I understand now why Jhp can be better

Sooo, what caliber is the best caliber?

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission and difficulty

7.62x51 as example is useless on hard because of extra health, it's wont oneshot here anymore

[opaque vapor]

I love using the mp5 for the cool factor but 5.56 just seems better in every way considering how small some of the barrels are

[jolly verge]

The best would be .300blk either with ARN-180 or DM4 if you want the shortest AR barrel in game, but at the cost of GA416 like recoil

[shell sky]

Bro

I can only play like 5 missions

for free???

[latent crescent]

what? no

go complete the missions

[shell sky]

There is only 5 free missions for me

I have a A on all of them

[jolly verge]

Complete last mission you have and dont die

[shell sky]

I got a A= on my last mission

[jolly verge]

Score does not matter for unlocking next missions

[shell sky]

I did not die

[latent crescent]

screenshot and send it

[shell sky]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

sent it

[jolly verge]

Then you completed last mission in quick play and in commander mode now, in any case you have to replay last unlocked mission

[shell sky]

why

wait what thats confusing mb

im slow

dumbass game 50 bucks for 6 missions brooo

[jolly verge]

[shell sky]

theres no other missions?

[latent crescent]

oh my god

[shell sky]

im dumb bro

idk what you mena

[latent crescent]

commander mode and quick play dont link missions

[jolly verge]

Complete last mission again

[latent crescent]

^^^

[shell sky]

so I went in quickplayz/

[jolly verge]

And make sure you in correct mode (commander/quick play)

[shell sky]

alr

[jolly verge]

Completing missions in commander will unlock them in quick play, but not other way around

[eternal grove]

I’m abt to restart my RoN grind. What loadout yall recommend ? I usually rock SR-16 but idk. Might go with a shotgun. Some general tips would be good.

[pliant frost]

Sr-16 is pretty cool but because of the long barrel it's not the best option for CQB

If stick to 5.56 try MCX or Mk-18

[latent crescent]

i personally use the mcx or the lvar, sometimes the GA58 too

[hazy oxide]

what's abt? about?

[wary willow]

ARN-180 all the way

[latent crescent]

i prefer the arwc over the arn-180

i use the mp7 a lot too, its really fun to use

[wary willow]

nah i'd rather stick to assault rifles

but cool choice

[latent crescent]

ah thats fine

the g36c performs exceptionally too, but the .300 blackout rifles are the best

[wary willow]

fr fr

[fervent crescent]

Why is the ai on carriers of the vine so tanky? I’ve put 2 rounds of both buckshot and slugs in these seemingly unarmored women and they never go down

[jolly verge]

Suspects on farm are armored with level 2 and level 3 vests

Buckshot can't pen it, as for slugs you missing or shooting arms over torso

[latent crescent]

i didnt even know they wore body armour

[jolly verge]

Dresses made of kevlar or UHMWPE

[latent crescent]

they crumble from my benelli m4 anyway

[latent crescent]

the armour is crafted from the souls of the immoral and lustful

[solemn patio]

Neither did I.

[latent crescent]

my buckshot does perfectly fine against them

i’d see the problem on hard mode though

[jolly verge]

With buckshot it's does not really matter as long as you hit limbs and head

[solemn patio]

Mine did too, prob BS tbh

[jolly verge]

25% insta kill chance per pellet

[solemn patio]

WHAT

[jolly verge]

i mean dismember chance

[solemn patio]

I love blowing limbs and heads off

[latent crescent]

send them to hell (or heaven, they didnt actually do anything wrong)

[opaque vapor]

first time ive ever seen this, playing the nightclub shooting and theres random AI swat officers not a part of my squad coming in and carrying out wounded suspects and civillians and putting them in the ambulance

thats so cool

[latent crescent]

oh yes i have yet to see that

i really like how they added a trauma team in the game

[opaque vapor]

This game does so well with the little things

I was so confused I saw 2 swat officers with different gear to my squad and was confused

I followed them and they picked up 2 dead suspects and literally brought them to the ambulance outside

theres even more coming in now

cant find the fucking leader anywhere all suspects and civillians and secured but still need to arrest the leader

no clue where he is

[jolly verge]

If trailers spawned then HVT is incapacitated

Which means trailers might softlock your mission, because they can carry uncuffed HVT at spawn

[opaque vapor]

oh no way

so I need to restart lol

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[opaque vapor]

omg

[jolly verge]

Very useful trailers

[opaque vapor]

was admiring those guys, whole time they were ruining my mission

[latent crescent]

cant u just go to spawn and arrest him

[jolly verge]

Good they only in quick play mode

[latent crescent]

or doesnt the game auto arrest when they’re out of bounds

[jolly verge]

Nope, everyone they bring will disappear

[latent crescent]

💔💔💔

[jolly verge]

Idk why it's still a thing and why then simply can't make them cuff every incapacitated body before carry him

[opaque vapor]

dam thats so annoying

so theyre just supposed to be an after mission thing you can watch?

[latent crescent]

yup

always cuff the dead bodies

[jolly verge]

Only HVT, no need to cuff every killed suspect

[latent crescent]

the magician

[void jasper]

😎👍🏼

[solemn patio]

5.56 needs a buff

I wanna larp as actual swat instead of using 762x51

Or 300 blk for armor..

300 blk isnt even good for penning armor vro

[void jasper]

I’m doing pretty good just playing with 556, as long as I hit what I’m aiming at:)

Plus with 13 slots in a light armor package it’s a good middle ground, since I’m devoting 1 slot to c2, 3 slots to grenades, 2 slots for sidearm magazines leaving 6 slots for primary mags and one for wedges or a taser

With a 762 rifle I reworked the loadout simply for more ammo and giving up grenade slots

Or wedges

Or c2

[odd pond]

Late reply but tyvm

[latent crescent]

its such a bad caliber for no reason, but nothing a couple shots cant fix

[solemn patio]

Its good for rapid fire

[latent crescent]

yeah, very easy to control recoil

[solemn patio]

Mk16 is the goat

I want more dmr rifles

[latent crescent]

i use the mcx or g36c

[solemn patio]

Or a burst fire option for some 556 carbines

[solemn patio]

I like the MK16 with the eotech

[latent crescent]

m16a4 in game when?

[solemn patio]

I hit like 7 headshots

[solemn patio]

Yes.

[latent crescent]

the mk16 is good

[solemn patio]

I want the L85 too

[latent crescent]

yeah

[solemn patio]

ARWC is a goat for cqb

[latent crescent]

i like the mk17 a lot

one of my favourite weapons, its a good piece of gun

[solemn patio]

Too much recoil for its size thh

[latent crescent]

makes the gun fun to use

[solemn patio]

Im typing bad cuz I cut my thunb on a mandolin.

[latent crescent]

yikes

[solemn patio]

Ow, shit hurts man

[latent crescent]

proud to say i never cut myself on a mandolin

[solemn patio]

Bro 4.6x30 ap pens more than 556 ap wtf

[latent crescent]

i dont get it myself

[solemn patio]

556 needs to be how 300 blk is but less tissue dmg

300 should be how 556 is but more tissue dmg

MK16 extended rail is ugly

[tough nymph]

Does anyone know if we are getting new maps in the new update?

[solemn patio]

I dont :)

[quasi coral]

Probably not..

[tough nymph]

😔

[solemn patio]

Why does the hand have rpds.

[tough nymph]

Makes it fun though but I have no idea where they would get RPDs from.

[solemn patio]

Those guys fuck me up

[quasi coral]

Smuggled through Los Locos

[tough nymph]

I know illegal guns are common in the States but getting RPD would have to be hard

[solemn patio]

More like where would they get the belts

[tough nymph]

Yeah that too.

[solemn patio]

Least the left behind has a reason to have m249 saws

Buddies giving them weapons they smuggled out

[tough nymph]

Just curious, could you own an M249 SAW in the U.S. or only semi automatic firearms are allowed?

Assuming you’re American…

[solemn patio]

Prob not

If you’re military or police getting machine guns is easier

[midnight forum]

Hello mates, how is everyone going so far?

[solemn patio]

Pre ban machine guns are expensive because they hard to find

[tough nymph]

Good. I just wish my console friends can join modded servers😔

[midnight forum]

No, unfortunately only semi automatic weapons are easier to obtain as a civilian

[solemn patio]

FFL- SOTs can make them, just not sell em

[midnight forum]

Indeed

[solemn patio]

Full auto conversions exist, they prob do that

[midnight forum]

It's rare, but you need to obtain a specialized permit for full auto weapons

Usually most are banned or heavily restricted

[solemn patio]

Armored suspect movement nerf when

Takes 3 rounds of 762 jhp and runs off

[tough nymph]

Least you can own a pump action shotgun in the UK. You can’t own them in Australia as they’re ‘dangerous’. Interesting because you can own a pump action ar15 and lever action shotguns but pump action are too ‘dangerous’ for some reason…

[tough nymph]

You’re probably the first person I have met that uses JHP. Everyone I met uses AP.

[solemn patio]

Because they view firearms as dangerous, didn’t they pass a ton of laws on them randomly?

[solemn patio]

I use it on .308s for the dmg and lower overpen

I overpenned and head canon my judge is traumatized after hitting that civ

[jolly verge]

You need AP ammo only on few missions

[solemn patio]

300 blk is how 556 should be in ap lowk

[tough nymph]

It was after a mass shooting in Australia in 1996. But it’s the inconsistency that annoys me. You can own push button shotguns/rifle which can have similar firing speed of a semi automatic. You can own lever action shotguns and pump action rifles but you can’t own a pump action shotgun? It just doesn’t make sense.

Pump action shotguns have a more simple design and therefore, cheaper to buy. Could be wrong…

[solemn patio]

A guy with a pistol oneshot me hello

I had light armor and a helmet

[tough nymph]

Greased palms is the mission I hate. I carry a shied on that map and let my team do the work.

I have gotten better at that map though.

But I carry the OSW if I aren’t running shield.

[solemn patio]

Keeping guns out of the common people’s hands, hmm..

[solemn patio]

Nah I was on relapse

[tough nymph]

Oh. Finding the last civ is annoying on that map. You must clear every room methodically. I know that’s what you’re supposed to do but still annoying nonetheless.

[solemn patio]

Every suspect has a battle rifle, rpd or is instantly lit tf up by me

The ones with bullshit rifles in full asspull are a top priority

Suspects need to be either inaccurate or shoot semi tbh

I stick with the game for the cool and fun missions lowk

[wraith olive]

I’m probably going to get a biased answer since this is the RoN discord. Been looking at the game for a while now but I’m hesitant to pick it up because of the price. Realistically how many hours of content are there not including the DLC since I would definitely start with the base game. Is there anything similar to it? It kind of reminds me of the old Rainbow Six Terrorist Hunts.

Posting this here in case it gets more traction than general chat.

[tough nymph]

The game is fun but becomes boring after a while. It’s fun with mods. Unfortunately, there is no terrorist hunt mode unless you download a mod that multiply suspects on the map.

You could wait until Christmas. They might lower the price then.

[lost inlet]

1-50 hours, depends on how you can enjoy the gameplay loop of dying and learning the game the hard way. Kinda of like how Dark Soul games wrecks newbie and only started rewarding you after a few dozen of hours has been dumped into it.

[umbral birch]

Does anyone hate the level of ‘Greased Palms’?

It’s so annoying

Hardest mission for me

[hollow shard]

yes, its one of the hardest

i really like the state of the AI at the moment but Greased Palms + Hard difficulty is too much. The map has absolutely brutal sight-lines that give suspects an advantage, especially against SWAT AI who dont have the same range and precision as suspect AI

[onyx swift]

Dang, really? I often use one magazine of both available types for each gun.

[torpid onyx]

literally everyone (should) be using JHP for 300blk/7.62

the only times you might not want JHP for 300blk is on a map with l4 armour
7.62 is essentially always Jhp

[torpid onyx]

also same thing for 9mm/10mm/45 because their armour penetration with AP is so useless it's better to rely on hitting 2 limb shots with JHP

[nimble bough]

they really got make it where the AI like either falls in after clearing a room or atleast takes cover

had one of my officers die cause he's just standing still letting the guy shoot him 💔

[pliant nest]

How to change the zoom level on my scopes

[winter tusk]

The only map where i will bring a 4x tbh. that map really needs an optic with a magnification

[unborn echo]

you cant, not yet, maybe soon

[onyx swift]

ikr

Some of their pathing is also crazy broken

Or also like, if I'm getting shot at by a Suspect that's one or two walls away while reloading, MOVE UP and shoot him???

Even the "Go/Move Here" command is so inconsistent for that

Or if a Suspect is currently rushing into the squad (such as if I retreat a tiny bit to stop my bleeding), shoot him smh

[quasi coral]

You can't, but you will be able to probablyyy.. Next update

Check #announcements and their briefing, pretty big stuff with attachments

Gee but, they really needa fix the hand clipping into the PEQ-15 Laser, really pissin me off

[granite gull]

The government wouldn't allow them to sell for their true retail price anyway, they'd slap on a 20% tax for sure. Also, I have theories that the reason they don't sell them here in aus is because of slamfire (even though they haven't been built like that for 70 years)

[winter wyvern]

I got pinged in the screenshots channel :?

[unborn echo]

aspid

does combat grip stop the arm flailing around on arwc or is it just like dat

[jolly verge]

It's does absolutely nothing on all rifles

[latent crescent]

but it looks cool so i will continue using them

[dense wind]

How do you know if a map will have traps? Does TOC tell you all the time?

[latent crescent]

yes

[unborn echo]

yeah

[storm belfry]

Yeah, he'll say they're may be traps on site

[solemn patio]

Why does the P90 pen less than the MP7 😭😭

[solemn patio]

“Suspects may have planted traps around the premises, be careful.”

At the mission beginning

[torpid onyx]

isn't 4.6 and 5.7 functionally identical ingame

[solemn patio]

Last I checked 4.6 is heavy armor pen in ap

5.7 being med armor pen in ap

[void jasper]

4.6 mm is smal than a .22 🤦‍♂️

Gotta love video game logic

[solemn patio]

Its faster tho

[solemn patio]

556 is also smaller than a 22, it has more powder, as does 4.6, it needs a high velocity to pen armor plates.

[quasi coral]

I remember someone tested the combat grip and it did in-fact lessen the spread

[solemn patio]

Combat grip is sexy

So is the angled foregrip

Should I eat baked beans for breakfast yall?

[quasi coral]

I agree, but on some guns it looks kinda ugly

[solemn patio]

Yeah.. tbh I love the th grip better

[quasi coral]

Like the angled foregrip just looks weird on the SR-16.. Combat grip does NOT go with the MK16

[solemn patio]

I wish the SR16 had it as a mount option

[quasi coral]

Mehh the combat grip on the SR-16 does the job for me

[solemn patio]

I want the full length wood m14 not some polymer shortened version lowk

[quasi coral]

100% agree with you

Feels more authentic, but for the CQB purposes of today, just not it..

[solemn patio]

Many maps could actually use it

[torpid onyx]

5.56 and 5.7 are both .224 diameter

[solemn patio]

Like three letter, greased etc

[torpid onyx]

4.6 is .183

[quasi coral]

True.. Still

[solemn patio]

.22 LR is 5.6 mm in diameter.

Waitt

I looked at the wikipedia page HUH ITS 5.7x15??

[torpid onyx]

it is approximately 5.7/223/224

.001th of an inch varience is expected and essentially identical and can be addressed as identical

also 5.56 is called 5.56 because it's being labled after the land (rifling) diameter and not the bullet diameter this 5.56 is actually 5.7
and then contrary 5.7 is labled with its bullet diameter not land diameter

[solemn patio]

What the fuck are cartridge naming conventions bro

[jolly verge]

Nope it does not, we dont have any spread on guns

[solemn patio]

Hip spread exists in this, i believe.

[torpid onyx]

sometimes certain calibers (cough cough 5.45) are just plain incorrect to any measurement of the bullet

5.45 is actually 5.6 bullet diameter, 5.4 land diameter

[jolly verge]

Nope

[quasi coral]

It had something to do with recoil, I'm sure of it

I just know someone tested it, wait lemme find it

[jolly verge]

It's still does not affect anything, there is no horizontal recoil on rifles

[solemn patio]

Vertical foregrip looks weird on super short ones

[jolly verge]

Angle recoil yes, but it's affected only by arm injury and when you ADS

[torpid onyx]

I hate the vertical foregrips ingame because our character holds it like a tool as if it's a hammer

[solemn patio]

Do you prefer the weird grip where he holds partially around the handguard?

[torpid onyx]

yeah that's the (completely objectively with no competition) better style of holding a rifle

[solemn patio]

To me it looks like itd feel awkward

[torpid onyx]

especially when you're CQB and are swinging around and going high ready

[unborn echo]

nah

[solemn patio]

Then again I don’t use C-Clamp when I shoot ARs because its uncomfortable in my hands

[unborn echo]

it looks so awkward, half of your palm is bent over

[torpid onyx]

plus if you're using a vertical grip I would prefer butting my hand into the front side of the grip and not actually holding it and retaining my thumb around the handguard rather then hammer gripping the foregrip

[quasi coral]

I use the C clamp when I hold my guns, it feels and is so much more reliable at close quarters

[solemn patio]

Js ate baked beans for breakfast

[solemn patio]

I prefer standard grip for comfort, my home has wide areas so I wont need to do super close cqb much

[quasi coral]

My house is fucked up 💔 but it's mostly to do with how fast I can move my gun while remaining accurate

C grip works a lot better with slim MLOK handguards, from my experience

[solemn patio]

Lowk I’m never using an AR to clear my house because of over pen, maybe 300 blk with a can but honestly I don’t wanna go thru the tax stamp BS

[quasi coral]

Looks cool until you see 15 bullet holes in your fairly payed wallpaper, and 13 in the intruders body

[solemn patio]

And I end up lighting my bookshelf tf up

[quasi coral]

IS THAT A SINS OF A FATHER REFERENCE??!

[solemn patio]

Vro I paid for every book on that shelf

Except for a few

Which were gifts

[torpid onyx]

its way easier to maneuver and maintain control over your barrel and swing it horizontally compared to like hammer gripping a foregrip you need the coverage around the side of the handguard plus when you're holding a foregrip your wrist is tilted upright so you don't have that support from your forearm bone in the same way and it's easy for your hand to just tilt your wrist either direction when it's in hammer grip and overshoot when you swing left/right but with C clamp your hand is more inline with your forearm and it doesn't let your wrist flap around and you have your forearm bone to sorta brace your wrist

[solemn patio]

I am NOT reading that.

Im going to read my warrior cats bro

[quasi coral]

That's what I'm SAYING, and it looks so cool

[torpid onyx]

cos when I swing left my wrist wants to continue going left and my wrist then wants to bend sideways in the direction of my inertia and because I have no support in hammer grip I end up overshooting past my target as my wrist twists but with c clamp it's way harder to bend your wrist horizontally and end up swinging your muzzle past where you wanna face from the inertia

[quasi coral]

Mhm, which leads to much better target uhh, tracking?

But I can see why some people prefer to use the traditional grip stance

But when every shot counts, ya I'll keep my hand at a C

[torpid onyx]

I feel more confident to be able to turn and be on target because I know my rifle is gonna stay inline with my shoulder and my wrist isn't gonna want to pull it out from being straight on

where my shoulder is pointed my gun is going to be pointed (roughly)

and then small adjustments to aiming I make with my front grip are done with my whole forearm and not accidentally with the wrist

I'm just "passionate" about C clamp grip

[quasi coral]

I definitely feel that, a lot better for zipping to targets and since you are GRIPPING onto it, the weight of the handguard is much easier to sway and balance

[quasi coral]

Passionate is an understatement

[cedar mulch]

Why doesn't RON produce a television series? I reckon it would be far more compelling than many dramas out there.

This contains a variety of thematic elements

[torpid onyx]

EMS/cop/detective shows are such an oversaturated market 🥀

[solemn patio]

Yea

[solemn patio]

Especially the buzzwords n shit like “aeration of the colon” or some shit

Which mean nothing

Lowk .458 socom ar when

[lost inlet]

never, we have .338 at home already.

[solemn patio]

I want a weaker .308 that isnt how 300 blk is rn

[lost inlet]

7.62x39mm. :)

[solemn patio]

No,

Weapon malfunctions when

I want the 50 ae pistol to constantly jam

[unborn echo]

no one said this

[lost inlet]

i know.

[torpid onyx]

7.62x39 is essentially the same as 300blk

[solemn patio]

Now we need the p320 and for it to go off in our holsters when we get shot at or try to draw it quickly

(Satire)

[torpid onyx]

there really isn't any good calibers (used in the military and/or full auto rifles) that sits between 300blk and 308, you could say like 6.5 grendal or 6.8 special since those can technically fit in an ar15 but those aren't really actually used in the military

[rotund cypress]

Everyone knows 556mm is morr powerfuler than 308mm because 556 is a bigger number tahn 308

[lost inlet]

the two rounds are literally the same in the game, just different name and shot out of different guns.

[torpid onyx]

technically they have small deviations in exact energies and velocities across the spectrum of ranges as well as slightly differant BC but overall they're similar enough you can tack them as being "pretty much the same sorta thing"

[rotund cypress]

Wait 7.62x39 actually has a unique damage profile

?

[torpid onyx]

ingame it's essentially the same except 7.62x39 has slightly higher penetration thru walls compared to 300blk

[jolly verge]

Nope, it's using the same damage curve as .300blk

[rotund cypress]

So it’s the same shots to drop someone unless you’re firing through cover?

Or is it still the same even then

[jolly verge]

The only difference between them is cover penetration

[lost inlet]

beside the terrains penetration.

[rotund cypress]

Honestly I didn’t expect Void to give the round unique traits since it’s only used in one gun currently

[torpid onyx]

I don't know if suspect guns follow the same penetration rules but the suspect's have like 3 or 4 guns in 7.62x39 which we don't get

[rotund cypress]

This is totally a sign we’ll get more AKs soon

[jolly verge]

They shoot the same ammo from the same ammodatatable as we, so yeah, they do

[rotund cypress]

That is true actually it’s probably for suspects with AKs and RPDs

[unborn echo]

no they dont, they* can easily punch through 10 inches thick cement wall

even with handguns

[jolly verge]

So can you

[unborn echo]

i cant even penetrate glass or curtains

[jolly verge]

skill issue then

[rotund cypress]

You could too but you need a pair of x-ray glasses from a cereal box

[torpid onyx]

did the Devs bother to make an actual 5.45 caliber with its own stats for all the 5.45 ak's the suspect's have too or is there just like not and they just slapped on 5.56 attributes

[jolly verge]

But they do actually have much lower damage on wallbangs vs players

[jolly verge]

Yes, there is a 5.45 ammo type in game with it's own unique damage curve

[torpid onyx]

the devs need to hurry up and give us a 5.45 ak then

the work is like 85% done

[jolly verge]

I mean you already can use AK-101 and AK-103, you just need a mod to unlock them

Only AKM and AKS-74U does not have animations for player and swat ai to use it

[unborn echo]

same stats as 556?

[jolly verge]

We also have a 7.92x57 ammo in game, but no gun for it

[jolly verge]

Nah, damage is weaker

[lost inlet]

by a large margin?

[torpid onyx]

excuse me

[jolly verge]

Mauser ammo

[torpid onyx]

I know but why is that in the game

who is pulling out great grandad's old Mauser from ww1

[jolly verge]

105 damage up to 70m vs 122.5 damage on 5.56 AP

and weaker cover pen

[lost inlet]

old port suspects iirc.

[marsh lark]

Old port was really questionable

There were so many textures you could bug yourself into

[lost inlet]

old port was just... interesting to say the least.

[jolly verge]

Pretty sure they did not use any gun with this ammo type

[lost inlet]

could be boid just give one of them a FAL with the damage stat of the Mauser rounds to fuck with us.

i once saw the round being listed in the old port map.

[jolly verge]

It's using the same damage curve as 7.62x51 actually

so there is no point

[unborn echo]

how about suspect's custom rifle

sorry typo

[lost inlet]

full auto AR-10?

oh they changed to AR-15 now.

yeah, it's 5.56.

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[lost inlet]

i remember it used to be T2 rifles. So essentially AR-15 firing 7.62x51mm.

and ceramic back then doesn't stops T2 rifles so the map was insanely hard because we all used the wrong armour for it. 😂

[latent crescent]

i am

[wicked sand]

Laser and light finally omg

Did the server get obliterated, I don’t remember

[tired jungle]

MG3 in ron when

[rotund cypress]

Never because Void hates you specifically

[winter tusk]

finally?

[pliant frost]

Yeah, I shat my pants when this message popped out

Finally, after so many months

[languid dagger]

so anything left after plat of the game?

Is there any community made challenges or ways for me to get back into it?

I really like this game I just wish I had a reason to play it after 100%

[modest hare]

This was posted

We’ve been expanding the arsenal of options available to our officers to represent the LSPD. We’ve got new gear to bedeck your command post as you prep for the next mission.

[void jasper]

I’m noticing how after I die the ai players don’t just wait around
In fact, they’re doing really good using stingers and everything I’m spectating and I’m really impressed

[covert aurora]

they are pretty good, but keep in mind. The mission doesn't count as being completed so you may have to redo it.

[void jasper]

Its cool I replay em all the time

[covert aurora]

gotcha

[void jasper]

Trying to post pics of my cat while playing at the same time got me killed

[covert aurora]

ah rip

[void jasper]

Relapse is a huge fucking map I didn’t really appreciate that till I ran out of ammo in the first building

I’m thinking less grenades and more bullets this time

[winter wyvern]

Anyone here have the SERT mod? i'd be down to play multiplayer with it.

[wheat inlet]

do yall know what bring order to chaos means

[pliant frost]

You need to secure all suspects

[wheat inlet]

oh so if its complete then it means there arent anymore enemies/suspects left?

[pliant frost]

Yep exactly

[wheat inlet]

ty man

and maybe you know where quadamah is hiding in the nightclub?

[pliant frost]

He's often upstairs

[wheat inlet]

oh so the main suspects or whatever theyre called switch locations each match?

[pliant frost]

Or in that idk how to call it? Pool room?

[pliant frost]

Yeah

[wheat inlet]

the match ended itself i couldnt find him dawg

[pliant frost]

Hm

[wheat inlet]

ty man

[pliant frost]

No problem buddy

[brittle ermine]

Yo btw when is the like new update

[void jasper]

Everyone keeps asking but the truth is nobody knows for sure, best guess is it’ll be a while, months maybe
Hopefully sooner…

I kept thinking something new would drop around xmas
Update if not actual dlc but here we are in November and I’m thinking if they were gonna do something they would’ve put out trailers or something

[brittle ermine]

Alright cause the next one sounds rather good from what I heard

[brittle ermine]

It says something might come out in 2026

[void jasper]

Yeh that’s the consensus

[brittle ermine]

Yeah

[void jasper]

Even still tho I like that this game has high replay value
I played with someone didn’t know that some maps have different start points
For months too

He’d been entering maps like leviathan or sins of the father from the same entry point over and over

Combine that with how Ron mixes up the enemies locations, patrol routes, stress, etc and you can play maps like a dozen times

420 !

[umbral birch]

Guys Im on the iron mode thingy and I got the level greasy palms

I’m actually cooked like roast beef 💀

[solemn patio]

MP5/10mm is super fucking satisfying

I love the sfx

Audio opens a can of whoopass

[umbral birch]

I feel like RoN is the only game that would actually give me PTSD from playing these scary levels.

This game is brutal.

[solemn patio]

Id probably get ptsd from having to do twisted nerve

I can do open and bold cqb

I dont like tight cqb

Wait nah

Shotguns right

And the MP5/10mm

[void jasper]

Good ol twisted nerve

Meth heads with rusty kitchen knives

[modest hare]

Has there been a new gun added

[void jasper]

No it’s still the same it was yesterday

Honestly I think the weapon set is pretty good, doesn’t need anything special
What we need is a few more maps

[modest hare]

Ok hope there be something coming soon

[void jasper]

I’m pretty sure it’ll be here by new years

[modest hare]

Ok can’t wait for 2026

[void jasper]

It’s only 60 days away

[modest hare]

🙂

[gritty fjord]

anyone else have a helmet armor bug?

i have a helmet and ballistic mask equipped but it is still hollowed in my player icon

[jolly verge]

Visual bug only

Equip anti flash goggles

[gritty fjord]

ah it has appeared again

so even if i don't have flash goggles i still have helmet armor?

[jolly verge]

Yeap, it's only visual bug

[gritty fjord]

thanks

[drowsy chasm]

Is there gonna be a Ron update in 4 days?

[quasi coral]

Neeeegative

My guess is next month, last briefing was a month before the update

[drowsy chasm]

Damn someone said there was gonna be 😭

[quasi coral]

BULLshit, but if a dev can confirm that I won't mind at all

But, get your hopes really low, so you won't be disappointed

Hybridsighthybridsighthybridsight

[tough veldt]

Most of the time ive seen him roaming the 2nd floor near the security room, but ive had a couple instances where hes in the first floor in the dance floor or the spas in the back

Afaik hes usually armed with an RPD

[cedar mulch]

But black sentinel did not have a machine gun.

[umbral birch]

this game so fun but so many bugs

My bot teammates on rust belt have no idea what they’re doing. I be telling them to stack on the door and they’re in circles

a little bit of performance issues on ps5 bht not a big deal it’s not that visibily seen

[abstract folio]

I cant see the mod tab in game and my eos overlay isnt opening? (Im on steam deck btw)

[stone bay]

Such a dark place am I trapped in here?

[carmine kindle]

Yo Wsg everyone ima need some tips from you all. So rn I am doing the Grace Palmas mission and I’ve been dying a lot so yea do you guys have any tips on what I should do?

[frank rover]

I highly recommend a battle rifle, something with high caliber, long barrel. The Steyr AUG and G3 are great for this. Battle rifles are built to kill effectively. You should be able to one-shot most suspects with a battle rifle. Bring AP ammo, HP is cool but AP works for both armor and no-armor suspects if shot placement is done well. Also, maybe try heavy armor.

[cloud tree]

Why can’t you cancel All shells reloading . So stupid

[frank rover]

How can I delay AI teammates from detonating C2? I want to place charges and breach on my command, none of this premature detonation stuff

[carmine kindle]

Thxs my guy

[reef anvil]

Why in god's name is there an 80s intelligence office in the police station where the interrogations happen

just discovered it rn

[tribal escarp]

so... enemies do not make footstep sound at all? and also, still seem to see through walls, well into the 1.0? So, I guess this is the ceiling?

sucks cuz the level layouts and gunplay is so good mechanically, but then enemies are just terminators who were around for every armed conflict and will hold full auto with no recoil, while strafing, beaming you with 1 bullet after the other, and will straight shoot you through walls. Are there any mods that make the enemies realistic? I've tried swat sus and ai overhaul, it just barely limits their reactions but still allows them to full auto a g3 at you from the hip with 100% accuracy, and find you through walls. Also, what's the point of the lean mechanic? I'll peek into a room with the lean, barely exposing maybe 50% of my head and 1 shoulder, slowly, and the effect is exactly the same as if I sprinted into the room.

cleared all missions except the dlc, working through dark water now.. so it's not like i need beginner tips I moreso need the quality of the AI to match with the quality of the rest of the game

[bold sky]

im ngl the vanila hard ai is dirt easy

if you check replays there arent that many see thru walls situation like people always complain about

its always people stomping around like gorillas right next to them so they start looking at you, then theres a gap somewhere they can spot you and start wallbanging

then there are time when they just strafe pass a cover to the flank and spray real quick then run away and people just assume they get wallbang

[mint wing]

A little real, when my buddies and I play together they never want to play hard because they don't want to take it slow/quiet

[reef anvil]

I'm over here torturing myself by adding the maximum amount of suspects onto a map lmao

[mint wing]

Queue it and get into position, then execute it

They'll plant and then stack on the door and wait for your signal

[bold sky]

if i play w mods its only to max out suspects count on map

but i sure wish theres a convenient mod that just max out the suspect without editing anything about the ai sometimes

too lazy to make one myself

[onyx swift]

Yeah, pathing for Rust Belt is so bad for SWAT AI right now

[onyx swift]

Then there’s also the failures that happen despite taking it slow and quiet

Randoms are truly such a wildcard

[onyx swift]

I feel like I might’ve queued into one of your lobbies before, if you were hosting a public one recently with tons of Suspects + extended max team capacity

It felt like a war on Hide and Seek, for one of those modded runs

83 Suspects total, iirc
And on Hard

Two people just kept blasting every Suspect they saw on sight

[onyx swift]

Have you ever been killed within a few seconds of spawning in, on A Lethal Obsession?

Or been shot by a Suspect that wasn’t even fully looking at you (the bullets even curved out of the gun’s barrel as they turned around)?

I feel like they’re such a gamble, despite doing various Hard missions on S even

[reef anvil]

nope

I don't do multiplayer lobbies at all

[onyx swift]

oh

I guess that was a crazy public lobby pull then

[prime drift]

Send some Ready or Not Mod ideas in my DM’s and i‘ll take a look (Everything doesnt matter what)

[languid dagger]

I actually recommend JHP there’s no armor on that map

[storm belfry]

don't walk straight into the building and bring alot of armor for you and your team

[onyx swift]

Flashbangs also will be clutch as ever, especially if Hostages get taken near the back area

(well unless you plan to dome the Suspect)

[latent crescent]

flashbangs are just OP as fuck

[onyx swift]

Throwing them in the open areas (especially in the back outside) can also be crucial to end firefights early

And to minimize the potential for a Suspect to light you up

There's so many sightlines on that map

[onyx swift]

true

[latent crescent]

the m32a1 launcher is the best gun for hard mode lethal and non lethal

[onyx swift]

They especially shine when you can bounce them into cover, and over things (though the Launchers explode on hit)

Greased Palms will be easier from that

Chuck one over the mail conveyors over to where a Suspect is

[onyx swift]

It's a bit funny how they released Hard at the same time that the new Primary Launchers came out

[latent crescent]

its like the tony mask in hotline miami 💀

[onyx swift]

And then I swear either hit detection or Beanbag's hit detection at least, became a bit broken until a recent patch

uhh

Did you see that too?

[latent crescent]

i said the bad p word

[onyx swift]

oof

[onyx swift]

great series ngl

I swear some teammates try to play RoN as if that'd work the same 😭

[latent crescent]

“do you like hurting other people?” ahh

[onyx swift]

Me when I loaded into a modded lobby with 83 Suspects:

[tidal sleet]

how many civilians

[onyx swift]

literally was a bloodbath + watching violations occasionally happen from a few teammates shooting everything in sight

[onyx swift]

Uhh, I think maybe 5? Not many, it was on Hide and Seek

And I didn't really get to check the back area

[tidal sleet]

So perfect time for shooting every door before opening it

5 civilians compared to ~80 suspects very low chances of a civilian being on the other side

[onyx swift]

I think the Suspects opened most doors on their own lol

There were so many rushing around in the outside area

[tidal sleet]

yeah perfect example to use full auto for

[quasi coral]

For LETHAL as well as a very big overstatement lol

[latent crescent]

thats fun tho

[latent crescent]

have one shield guy and one launcher and you are set for almost every map except for hide and seek because u’ll run out of ammo

[onyx swift]

nah the stunning + AOE makes it very good for groups + overall minimizing exposure

[onyx swift]

Only thing as consistent is something like a headshot on a Suspect, or using the right ammo type for the occasion

Then, the type of shot you’re using may matter too

That’s often more work than to
Flashbang a Suspect, then hit them down while stunned if needed

You also have less chances of being shot upon stunning them first

[bold sky]

on hard mode .300 jhp ttk is extremely good against anything isnt wearing l4

the only problem is it requires good aim which some people lack

if you join pug lobbies you'll just see people run around sweeping the floor with their aim placement

in general once people get their aim placements down and actually prep to fire properly when they move around will not find nade launcher that useful in lethal playthru unless in cqb, but nades are available for that too

[glass heart]

proper cqb has you already aiming at the right places but lots of people dont bother with it (and on many maps i get it, they are too large and kind of tiring to take as carefully as you ought to ALL the time)

[bold sky]

lol okay i dont mean the "proper cqb" or police roleplaying, im just thinking simple fps idea of having your aim where you want it to be so you dont have to adjust it when you swing corners, and dont place it below the chest at minimum

its not a difficult skill to master or anything most people w proper aim do it passively

[winter tusk]

yea. RoN is my aim trainer tbh

[onyx swift]

ngl even with good aim they’re still useful

Proper aim placement only makes it better to fire on reaction, before the Suspect can

And unless something with a noreg happened for the Launcher somehow, basically guaranteed stun and available threat assessment

especially if you turned a corner to multiple Suspects nearby

[unborn echo]

throw 10 billions flashbang before entry

[onyx swift]

I feel as if LSS also had some hitreg inconsistencies introduced, compared to before the patch

Or it could just be a Hard quirk

Flashbangs almost never let you down

[void jasper]

Another day on ron

[bold sky]

if you turn a corner w many suspects around instead of abusing this game insane peek movement thats like alr a mistake ngl

[void jasper]

I use the mirrorgun to look around corners

I will say that the ‘free look’ command is way faster than pushing l3/r3

I still have a habit of pushing the lean command when trying to move

[wraith gale]

THIS DOESNT INVOLVE THE WORD "RoN"!!! YOURE BANNED

[void jasper]

lol

Noooooooooooo

Ron

Last night I played elephant on hard and had a really good run through
I brought a battering ram instead of the mirrorgun and basically ran through the whole map

[onyx swift]

Whether peeking or full turning a corner doesn’t really change it, either way works for Flashbangs

I peek by default anyway, was just simpler to generalize it with “turn a corner”

If it were something like Beanbag, Pepperball, or plain weapons, then yeah it makes a huge difference

[prime spear]

@winter tusk

[void jasper]

It’s funny how the chat goes through these quiet periods then blows up

[prime spear]

steam community when CS2.

[onyx swift]

That entire market is crazy, all for knives and gloves and simple stuff

[prime spear]

@tribal escarp damn you typing

[tribal escarp]

Nah, idk what you've seen but for us stomping around vs crouch walking around slowly and suspects have same reaction times. You can approach a corner as slowly as possible, slowly peek it as cere fully as possible, and the AI will just 180 and beam ur forehead while running to cover.. I'm not saying this isn't fun, my group gets hooked for hours

[prime spear]

zamn

TL;DR

[tribal escarp]

With that pfp I ain't surprised

[prime spear]

gotta read it in her voice, adds to the message

[onyx swift]

Roughly a TLDR: going loud and fast or quiet and slow doesn’t change the Suspect reaction times

but it wasn’t that long smh

[tribal escarp]

Can't I have a modern attention span

[prime spear]

gives you modern attention span

[prime spear]

but when its a 'Jack and Jenny' video, im locked in.

[tribal escarp]

A 2 second read is rough these days, apparently

And yeah, I just wish there was difficulty where suspects didn't act like John wick but also still had realistic damage and you can't face tank half a mag cuz of the difficulty

[onyx swift]

I know some people genuinely like that irl

[tribal escarp]

I do myself sometimes

[prime spear]

nuke them all

nuke the whole generation

[tribal escarp]

But I wonder why the game is so centered around realism if we can't have semi realistic suspects

[void jasper]

I’ve noticed the ai doesn’t hear me at times, and listening to them say things like “ok I’ll take another look” or “all clear”
Then if they hear something they react literally saying “I heard something!

[tribal escarp]

Every criminal just a retired hitman with no fear of death

[tribal escarp]

Yeah I've noticed there is a system for it

[prime spear]

uhh, mods (only for PC players)

[tribal escarp]

Doesn't mean it's reliable at all unfortunately

[onyx swift]

I feel like the difficulties right now also have the issue of:

Standard often becomes easy when you’re more experienced

Hard is a slog other than Launchers regardless + still is possible to get almost aimbotted and/or rushed by a Suspect occasionally

there’s such a huge gap

[tribal escarp]

For me it's the fact that there's almost no distinction between a normal drug dealer suspect and a retired secret service member

It just shatter the illusion ig

It is fun but more like a challenging video game than a simulator would be

[void jasper]

Sometimes on a map like sins of the father I’ll be using the mirrorgun and just watch a hallway for several minutes waiting for the right moment

[tacit gull]

This is true as most standard weapons will just have suspects shrug off bullets on top of having overtuned reaction times

[tribal escarp]

And no recoil

I can't stand getting beamed 1 bullet after another, automatic fire 100% accuracy, suspect had a g3

[tacit gull]

hardest suspects can tank even 762x51 without even flinching

[tribal escarp]

And again, I get hooked on it for hours so as a game it certainly is addictive

It'd be cool if they added a difficulty after hard called 'realistic' and like, strive for that

[onyx swift]

I saw this happen so often recently when going Lethal in pubs, and I was like “what”

[tacit gull]

It's almost like splitting the game into 3 harder to manage difficulties doesn't fix the difficulty tuning

makes you think

[onyx swift]

I should not watch a Suspect tank 5 shots and not even flinch, Armored or Not (even if using the proper ammo type)

[tacit gull]

don't worry, as most suspects dont even communicate what level of armor they have on in any way

[tribal escarp]

Yeah, for me normal feels like more realistic suspects but comes with the downside of you being a walking tank

[tacit gull]

reminder that fast food gangsters have the highest rating armor in the game

[tribal escarp]

Hard is the most fun if you just imagine the humans you're up against are actually t1000s

[onyx swift]

I said it before, but right after Hard launched, I once hit a Suspect with 5 shots of Beanbag (they were aiming at me, but not shooting) in their CoM about point-blank

I was baffled at the fact it all did nothing

The Suspect LITERALLY flipped me off, then with perfectly delayed comedic timing, shot and killed me in one shot on Hard

[void jasper]

Hard is fun to grind away at

[onyx swift]

“welcome to the real world” I guess

Or not, when they tank 5 rounds point-blank without flinching

[tacit gull]

beanbag is a guaranteed stun on hit regardless of where you shoot

[onyx swift]

and that Suspect just kept looking at me while aiming

[tacit gull]

it just lasts way less

[onyx swift]

for FIVE SHOTS

He didn’t even flinch

[tacit gull]

i haven't seen that happen

[unborn echo]

gratr thinks hes nonchalant

[onyx swift]

I was absolutely baffled, that was right after LSS launch and I started running back through the missions on Hard

[tribal escarp]

Yeah there's how it should work, then there's the reality of half or more regular Interactions breaking the games own rules or just being bugged

[onyx swift]

And that’s what also confused me to watch that, since Beanbag was already reliable any other time

But then right after LSS, it felt so inconsistent

That one example I listed, was the most extreme one by a huge margin

I didn’t know if it was Hard balancing, Beanbag hitreg issues, both, or what

[tacit gull]

It wouldn't be the first time either of those was the case

[unborn echo]

does beanbag have inf range

[onyx swift]

I still used it, and got a few S Ranks on Hard with it, but it felt worse than before LSS

I didn’t feel as if each shot to a Suspect’s CoM was guaranteed to work

Then the newest Launchers are the closest thing to godmode

[arctic mural]

hey guys, wsp

i'm having trouble doing the Elephant mission

i'm doing it non-lethal but for some reason the suspects came alert at the end of mission and starting killing hostages. any suggestions?

[jolly verge]

They alerted from the start and you have 2 min before they start killing civilians

[arctic mural]

oh wow

[void jasper]

I just keep moving quickly through the map and will always come across the bombs, usually there is at least one shooter near each bomb, after diffusing I’ll go for the last two shooters
Gotta keep moving tho bc of the time limit

[void jasper]

Yep

[arctic mural]

so i need to take they first than bombs?

[void jasper]

No I think the trick is to do both

[arctic mural]

i see

[void jasper]

Just keep pushing through and take it as it comes

[arctic mural]

i'll try it today. thanks brothers

[void jasper]

The bombs won’t always be in the same place

👍🏼

Battering ram works good on elephant

[languid creek]

Focus on dealing with the suspects then disarm the bombs. But move quick. Look for bombs as you look for suspects but don’t waste time defusing until you bring order to chaos. You’re much more likely to lose to them killing civis than the bombs blowing, as long as you keep a good pace.

[void jasper]

Not in ready or not I mean it’s just a good way to teach em

Elephants I mean

[languid creek]

Elephant bombs are what a 10 minute timer?

[void jasper]

Yep

[languid creek]

Plenty of time to get the suspects

[void jasper]

👍🏼

There is only like 4 of em too

[quiet siren]

Guys I just bought ready or not any tips?

[jolly verge]

Beanbag stun on any distance, if that what you mean

[void jasper]

Get ready to read

[quiet siren]

I'm ready

[void jasper]

Get pen and paper too

[quiet siren]

Uhhhhhh idk where any is and its almost midnight trust I can remeber

[void jasper]

Midnight?

[quiet siren]

I'm aussie

[void jasper]

Cool

[quiet siren]

Anyways back to ready to read

[void jasper]

Ok rule #1
You’re number one
Rule #2:
bad guys are number two
Rule 3: don’t die

[quiet siren]

Wow so much reading

[void jasper]

I know it’s hard but it’s a good skill to have

[quiet siren]

Fr

What abt ROE?

[winter tusk]

what the hell is that

[void jasper]

Don’t kill innocent people and engage only when engaged first

[quiet siren]

Something useful I think

[winter tusk]

HELL NAH if i dont engage first im dead

[quiet siren]

What if they say well your just gonna have to shoot me

[void jasper]

The rule of engagement, the game says em

[winter tusk]

then shoot them

[void jasper]

But it’s up to u how you wanna play I guess

[winter tusk]

honestly best tip, PID

[quiet siren]

Crimes and war crimes?

[quiet siren]

PID?

[winter tusk]

positive identification

[void jasper]

The game penalizes the player for it but…

[quiet siren]

Wdym but...?

[void jasper]

Some ppl like to play differently out of boredom or what not

[quiet siren]

Oh

Now music while playing RoN yes or no

[void jasper]

Be careful tho, when playing solo with the ai
If you shoot an innocent person they’ll kill ya

[quiet siren]

Oh the command kill me?

[void jasper]

The music really picks up after I die lol

[quiet siren]

lol

[void jasper]

Yeh but if you do it too much they won’t wait to be told

[quiet siren]

Damn uhhhhhhh

[viral hearth]

They will have aimbot , xD

[quiet siren]

What like arma with the ai when your in a helly and they 1 tap u from across map

[viral hearth]

I guess devs could actually add more lore about border operations ( n#rco wars ) and BDRTAC ( BORTAC )

Sicario and Ready or Not fit each other so well , lol

[quiet siren]

Fr

[marsh lark]

To abuse RoE system is that yell at them for compliance. After numerous shots are fired the suspects will enter alert state and will actively patrol and try to find you, at that point you cannot shoot or kill suspects that are unaware of your presence. So the trick is to yell for compliance and immediately shoot. Though if the suspect really surrenders then there go your points

[whole plume]

Please say we can add the Ugg-boot stock back to the SCAR L in the new update

Like we can add the rail to the G36, I just wanna restore the SCAR back to how it should be

[junior palm]

When is the update, I just bought Dark Waters DLC and my game has gone to hell, it was working fine now everything glitched and fps dropped to 20

[wraith gale]

bug fix updates are random. next DLC update will be in q1 2026.

also, buying DLC set my game to fidelity mode, so make sure yours isnt like that either.

[junior palm]

Really?,ok I'll try that thank you.
What about that new attachment system ?

[marsh lark]

Your FPS dropping should not have happened

[rotund cypress]

Is it confirmed if the new attachment system is coming then or will that be sooner?

[wraith gale]

with the new DLC update probably

[rotund cypress]

Alright

[junior palm]

Thank you

[marsh lark]

Probably in December or January

[wraith gale]

yuh

[rotund cypress]

I can’t wait for visible peq

[unborn echo]

hi jed

[marsh lark]

I am not poison

[junior palm]

Should have been green tho

[marsh lark]

in any case hi

[wraith gale]

faze jev?

[quiet siren]

Hi jed

[rotund cypress]

Maybe there’ll be an option for green

Like white vs green nvgs

[junior palm]

https://tenor.com/view/comethazine-longer-guns-beam-laser-gif-14753424

[quiet siren]

That would be so nice

[junior palm]

I hope so