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[karmic charm]

sucks to suck ig

[bronze crypt]

Can you do it in multiplayer? I don’t think so but if you can try with someone

[reef anvil]

Alright, I was using SMG calibres just for the Girls Frontline larp but this is starting to get stupid

Neon tomb is doable, issue I have is that uhh, as per SMG. None of em ain't going down and my officers quickly resort to pistols

[torpid onyx]

use JHP if you're not already

it makes SMGs 15X more bearable

[reef anvil]

I use AP

Wait, JHP is better over AP?

[torpid onyx]

AP SMGs are literal ass

for SMGs yes

[reef anvil]

Wtf

[torpid onyx]

against l3 armour AP takes around 12-14 shots to kill with armor and like 8 shots to kill to limbs, JHP to the chest is like (idk how many, it doesn't matter) exept it 2 shots limbs

[reef anvil]

That is... who the fuck balanced this!?

[torpid onyx]

so it's more reliable to use JHP and attempt to hit 2 shots on the limbs/groin rather then hit 12-14 shots to the chest

[reef anvil]

God damn I am like mega trained to target the torso

Noted, running JHP and full spraying

[torpid onyx]

you don't even really need to think as long as you're not too good at hitting chest you'll likely hit a couple arm or leg shots

[reef anvil]

Thank god for modded. I can give myself 18 mags

[torpid onyx]

or neck/head

[torpid onyx]

you should be fine with like 4 primary mags and 2 or 3 secondary

[torpid onyx]

oh also none of this applies if you're using 5.7 or 4.6, 5.7 and 4.6 are actually usable and are good with either AP or JHP and can actually penetrate armor

[reef anvil]

Yeah, but this is modded and I literally have a preset named forbidden technique which is m32 with 100 flash grenades

[torpid onyx]

the mp7 is 4.6 and p90 is 5.7 btw

[reef anvil]

Sometimes i'm glad this game doesnt have a UMP 40

God forbid what they'd do to .40 S&W

[lost inlet]

.45 ACP but has the damage drop off of 9mm.

[reef anvil]

holy shit you're right. JHP does make it easier

[bold sky]

if you really want to just use smg and still have good ttk no matter the cost then spc is the only choice really

you have to wrestle its recoil a bit but that thing fires so fast it cuts through even highest tier armor in this game w brute force in less than 2 seconds if your shots land

else in general if you use smg should try to go for headshots once you get the aim placement down for maps

[reef anvil]

nah, UMP-45 with JHP and a dream

[quaint radish]

hey chat, why is it that when i tell red team to stack up and queue up breach and clear, then tell blue team to stack up and breach, and tell red team to execute, blue and red swap places for absolutely no reason at all?

[surreal pelican]

JHP is better against unarmoured suspects. More damage to limbs/flesh

AP is better against armoured suspects. Deals lesser damage to limbs/flesh tho

[torpid onyx]

exept AP 9/10/45 do nothing against armour so it's better to bet on hitting 2 limb shots then hit 14 shots on an armor plate

[surreal pelican]

I see

I just use primaries against em, never had to use secondary except when going in with shield

[torpid onyx]

9mm is literally like 12 shots to incap with AP on l3 armour

and 8 limb shots with AP cos it's 30% dmg

[surreal pelican]

30% Dmg?

[torpid onyx]

yeah AP deals 30% damage on limbs

[surreal pelican]

Damn

[torpid onyx]

so 70 damage from AP 9mm turns to like 21

[bronze crypt]

same logic that eft applies lmao

[torpid onyx]

also it's technically better to use JHP for 300blk and 7.62x51/308 too since 300blk JHP has the same breakpoints as AP for l1/2/3 armor but it does better on limbs

plus does better on unarmoured targets

they do fall off to horrid damage against l4 armor though

5.56/223 JHP struggles against l3 armour though so rule doesn't apply there unless it's a map without l3 armour

[bronze crypt]

would you say 300blk is unfairly depicted in ron as a very under-performing round against armoured targets?

[unborn echo]

[reef anvil]

that's where modding comes in

[quasi coral]

As an MCX Virtus professional

I can confirm they are sensationally effective

[torpid onyx]

it doesn't perform poorly

[bronze crypt]

As an LVAW connoisseur I want to see more 300blk

[bronze crypt]

But I feel like at such close ranges it would still be more effective

[torpid onyx]

with 300blk it's theoretically a 2 shot against l4 armor without a health increase (like on elephant)

[torpid onyx]

300blk is still very intermediately powered it's far from being a high power caliber like 308

[bronze crypt]

I have an NIJ3 plate lying around, if I ever get my hands on a 300blk round I’ll do some tests

[torpid onyx]

it pushes like 1300-1400ft lbs of energy 120/140gr
223/5.56 pushes around 1200 up to 1400ft lbs at 50-60gr with custom loads

you just get the extra weight behind it helping you and arguably the diameter works against you (but you need the diameter to get more weight)

[torpid onyx]

(also 308 sits at 2600-2800ft lbs of energy comparably)

and 300blk is nearly 1000fps slower then 223 so that's working against it too

[bronze crypt]

yeah but most engagements are within close range in ron, .300blk has an effective range of what, 150-200yds before it loses effective terminal performance? so we are within that

[vivid crystal]

Let bring ready or not to mobile

[bronze crypt]

hell no

[torpid onyx]

the stats I stated are at the muzzle

[vivid crystal]

Ur going to hell

[lethal gulch]

how expendable are my teammates? like am I really fucked up if my teammates die

[tired jungle]

but I like material penetration and find it more useful in cluttered environments

[torpid onyx]

even if I was to use AP 50bmg the game probabaly wouldn't let me overpenetrate thru a piece of paper

the amount of times I've attempted to shoot a guy thru like a plywood sheet or cardboard box and the bullet just doesn't penetrate is absurd

[tired jungle]

It's pretty random on which objects can be shot through

Void stupid n stuff

Tbh like almost all objects should be able to be shot through

Even your car apart from the engine block and some of the body skeleton parts

Isn't going to stop a fmj rifle round

[bronze crypt]

the amount of time ive been shot by 9x19 through concrete is absurd

[cunning path]

Hey, i ran up a issue. Im on ps5 and want to use my KBM cause my PC died. But my mouse is not working but my keyboard is.

[reef anvil]

I should install the AS VAl mod

[reef anvil]

Depends on the map, some you can do with 3 or 2.

Just runs into the issue of your team-mate is the only one against like 50 dudes

[latent crescent]

ps5 moment

[frosty olive]

Birds aren't real and the mod team is in on it

[cunning path]

It works now

[latent crescent]

ah good to hear

[quaint radish]

anyone?

[latent crescent]

bug lol

or u did the command prompt wrong

most likely the second one and the map

[cunning path]

Thx

[surreal pelican]

Are the hand enemies always aggro to the max from the getgo?

[toxic harness]

No

The active shooters like School Shooters and Gun Dealers in Plaza (3 Letter Triad) are always aggro

[surreal pelican]

Fuck

I'm tryinh to clear neon tomb hard on S

[toxic harness]

But the Hand are more like any other standard suspects

[surreal pelican]

Just that they have bombs I gues

[surreal pelican]

Best I got was A I think

[toxic harness]

Neon Tomb has one Bomb Hugger
Relapse on Hard has one Bomb Hugger

[surreal pelican]

Neon tomb only has 1?

[toxic harness]

Yeah

[surreal pelican]

For the enemy

[toxic harness]

Everyone else are shooters

[surreal pelican]

The civvies don't count right

[toxic harness]

Yes. There will be at least 2-3 hostages with vest

Okay so basically with bombs.

Neon Tomb - 1 Suspect Bomb, 2-3 Hostage Bomb
Relapse on Hard - 1 Suspect Bomb, 1 Hostage Bomb

[surreal pelican]

13 enemies and 9 civs right for neon

Idk if it's just skill or bad rng but I've been getting fucked over whenever I do relapse and neon, esp on Hard

[toxic harness]

Hard is unfair. You basically have to get lucky and get good to even beat it

[surreal pelican]

Yup

Even lethal hard was easier to execute

I alreday have all the base game achievements but I don't have the dlcs yet to get the DLC achievements so I'm just trying to clear it all on hard S this time

[toxic harness]

Well... their health does increase on Hard so you need to spray them

[surreal pelican]

Ye

[toxic harness]

Half of DLC maps are surprisingly easy as the other half... fuck you 3 Letter Triad

[latent crescent]

hard isnt that bad, u just need a coordinated team of at least 3

for it to be easier

[surreal pelican]

I'm trying to do it commander

[toxic harness]

You can do 2 if both are good lol

[latent crescent]

u can beat it with AI SWAT but just why

[latent crescent]

yeah true

i have yet to attempt that though

if u got a 5 man team then hard mode is genuinely laughable

[surreal pelican]

[toxic harness]

I did Valley of the Dolls, Narcos, Mirage, Stolen Valor, and Carriers on the Vine with only me and one person

[latent crescent]

doing 3 letter triad on hard 10 hours into the game genuinely makes me want to cry

[toxic harness]

The rest I did either 3 or 4 man. I did Hide and Seek with 3 people and I fucking hate it but we made it

[torpid onyx]

playing with ai is like 70% playing solo

[toxic harness]

Sleeper Agent for me is way easier cuz WE CAN PLAY NORMAL MODE AND MY GOD HAD HEARD MY BLESSING

[latent crescent]

i just joined a random lobby in LFG and they booted that shit up and i got shredded instantly 💔

[surreal pelican]

Hide and Seek is rng too

But it was more easier for me

[toxic harness]

Yeah like if the first area is heavy, the inside port would be easier

[latent crescent]

isnt sleeper agent apprehending 15 suspects in 30 seconds?

yeah thats complete bs u cant even apprehend a suspect in 2 seconds

[torpid onyx]

the only use of AI is the automate breaching but the second you can't heavily script them and it's in a dynamic environment its only downhill from there so you always have to face tank every engagement as squad lead

[toxic harness]

Yeah but there is a method aka Arrest Cancel

[surreal pelican]

Esp once you reach the warehouse entrance area, u gotta deal with the gas station thingy at the left and the lighthouse area on right

[latent crescent]

im not looking forward to sleeper agent

[toxic harness]

I fucking hate that part

The outside is simple, until they're too far away

[surreal pelican]

That's where all hard mode S ranks come to die

[latent crescent]

yeah, capture all except one weapon crate, then get everyone into one room and then gas em all to submission and take off all of their weapons

and then after closing the crate, you arrest all of them

[surreal pelican]

I thought u can kill them in 30 seconds?

[latent crescent]

nope

u have to arrest them

[toxic harness]

"Arrest or Incapacitate"

[surreal pelican]

Bru so running and gunning isn't guaranteed

[latent crescent]

and shooting up 15 people to incapacitate consistently is insanely RNG based

[toxic harness]

It's not as they will hide from you or run away if needed. And they can group up together to make fights more trivial

[latent crescent]

i managed to get fool me once and twice by accident

[surreal pelican]

Damn

[latent crescent]

fairly easy achievements, i dont know why some people cry on it

[surreal pelican]

I think imma just rest for now, I managed to beat Relapse Hard S earlier after god knows how many tries

[surreal pelican]

Just takes map knowledge

[latent crescent]

what i dont get is that 3 letter triad is us trying to stop two gang fights (hence the name 3 letter triad) but they all team up to shred you all like ???

[surreal pelican]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend situation

[toxic harness]

I need a good excuse to replay RoN. I already Hard S everything and I am basically on my own now

[latent crescent]

i got the achievement on elephant by doing it normally

[latent crescent]

straight up mw2 boneyard ass bs

got the russians and shadow company tryina kill u

[toxic harness]

Nobody wants to get arrested

[surreal pelican]

I got it during my S run for standard

[latent crescent]

peak

[surreal pelican]

Haven't played 3 letter triad but I like the lore idea for it

[latent crescent]

what is ur guys fastest times in relapse?

[surreal pelican]

1 second coz i die to shooter

[toxic harness]

20*

[latent crescent]

that dont count 😭

[surreal pelican]

I never want to touch relapse hard again

[latent crescent]

fastest completed time in relapse

[toxic harness]

I forgot mine but I done it before

[latent crescent]

i wanna s rank before i speed through everything on hard

i already did neon tomb, carriers of the vine, and some other mission on hard

its just hard to find someone not dumb as nuts to group up with when i play the game

which is stupid hard for me without #🔎looking-for-players because i only have one other friend who plays RoN

[toxic harness]

My final straw was some mf who thought pepperball rifle is effective in Hard Greased Palms

[jolly verge]

[toxic harness]

And he did a handful of Breaking ROE and be stunning US (us using Flash goggles and not Gas Mask) WHICH GETS US FIRED UP BY OTHER SUSPECTS

[latent crescent]

typical LFG moment

i need to find non dumbasses that i can constantly play with, not just a one off and never see again typa thing

[toxic harness]

I could play but I got work in few hours

[latent crescent]

i cant play rn anyway

too much stuff to do

[toxic harness]

M32A1 is peak

[surreal pelican]

Imagine if stinger M32A1

[toxic harness]

Way more dangerous

[surreal pelican]

But thrice the fun

[toxic harness]

fr

[solemn patio]

Me when the suspects fire full asspull on me using a battle rifle

[latent crescent]

do u guys prefer CS gas or flashbangs

[toxic harness]

Flashbang. If we are playing 1.0 version, CS gas

[solemn patio]

Why are there so many full autos..

Vro where are they getting these weapons

Are machine guns legal in los suenos or what

[toxic harness]

We got our own partnership...

[latent crescent]

u can easily get cheap ass weapons from the black market

[solemn patio]

Yeah yeah

But you gotta get a contact for the black market

[latent crescent]

for the veterans they 100% have buddies giving them free LMG's and what not

[toxic harness]

m-machine guns? tf?

We are a SWAT unit so ofc we have these guns like any other nations lol. It's only the civilians who has the worst gun laws, not us

[latent crescent]

they literally have an M24 bro that shit is military only

[solemn patio]

Im not talking about our weapons 😭😭

[latent crescent]

they have the m249 in the apartment map

[solemn patio]

Im talking about how common suspects with machine guns are

[latent crescent]

its not common though

[solemn patio]

On certain maps it shouldn’t be as common as it is

[latent crescent]

like

[toxic harness]

If you talk about suspects:

• Cargo Ship (proof as Port Hokan)
• Modifications (proof as Ends of the Earth and Greased Palms)
• Smugglers (proof as Rust Belt and 3 Letter Triad)
• Brought their own (proof as Neon Tomb)
• Self Own (proof as Elephant)

There are so many ways that criminals can get their hands on Non California compliant guns

[solemn patio]

Im just pissed they fire battle rifles so fast with such amazing accuracy

[latent crescent]

yeah like criminals arent gonna follow gun laws lmao

[bronze crypt]

How can I take good screenshots in replay? The game looks worse for some reason

[toxic harness]

Either find a good spot or do a little editing

[solemn patio]

I had less trouble in neon tomb than I do in carriers of the vine

[toxic harness]

Hard mode: Suspects shoot faster

[latent crescent]

for carriers of the vine these women run off of sheer anger

[solemn patio]

The grass is so dense and they can see through it perfectly

[latent crescent]

same with that pitch black tunnel in twisted nerve, nothing new really

[solemn patio]

I dont play hard mode whats hard mode its a psyop (I once played on hard and got fucking ganked)

[tired jungle]

When you move around the free camera on paused, assets become low quality

[latent crescent]

chat which is harder, RoN Hard mode or Rainbow Six's Realistic mode

[toxic harness]

Hard Mode is a unfair mode

[tired jungle]

I like it when some of the grass is bullet proof

[solemn patio]

Real

[unkempt granite]

i just got blown up for not seeing up some stairs 💔

[toxic harness]

You must have good loadout, good mind, be content, and overall get lucky to beat Hard mode

[solemn patio]

The people in carriers of the vine shouldn’t have fucking m14s and shoot better in full auto than I do in semi

[latent crescent]

shoulda saw up the stairs then

[solemn patio]

Should I run the revolver as a meme gun

[toxic harness]

M14 is a select fire so it can be Semi or Auto

[latent crescent]

the revolver is unironically good btw

[unkempt granite]

a true meme gun is the pepperball stuff

[solemn patio]

I know the m14 is select fire, im not stupid

[toxic harness]

Five Seven and Grizzly are pistol metas

[unkempt granite]

unless you headshot i think?

[toxic harness]

You asked a stupid question lol

[solemn patio]

I never asked a question.

I stated it was stupid suspects fired battle rifles while shooting full auto and hit better than I do in semi

[latent crescent]

no its just unreliable and shit

[toxic harness]

They have better recoil control than you do. If you do have better recoil control, you won't be dead

[solemn patio]

I was referring to suspect accuracy

[latent crescent]

they arent that accurate bro

[solemn patio]

Ive been sniped through grass man too much it makes me want to bring .308 but im not a fan of it

[toxic harness]

.308?

[solemn patio]

I shot a civ by accident and got traumatized

[latent crescent]

i feel like ur just speedrunning through it if thats even happening

[latent crescent]

revolver iirc

[toxic harness]

That's .357

[solemn patio]

I am because I want to get the fuck off this stupid ass map

[latent crescent]

yeah idk then

[toxic harness]

And we have .300 Blackout

There's no .308

[latent crescent]

well no shit ur getting fucked then

dont go outside, swing left and clear the watch tower

[tired jungle]

[latent crescent]

ur not getting shot through the grass ur getting shot from the watch tower

[unkempt granite]

Bile what map are you on

[solemn patio]

So play like a french main does in warthunder?

[latent crescent]

i dont play war thunder but sure

[solemn patio]

Karen cult

[latent crescent]

based karen cult*

[tired jungle]

People often use 762 nato and .308 interchangeably and honestly in this context it doesn't fucking matter

[toxic harness]

That's a not too bad map

[unkempt granite]

what's the missions name 💔

[solemn patio]

Carriers of the vine

[toxic harness]

Me when Carriers of the Vine 🥀

[unkempt granite]

oh

haven't gotten there

[latent crescent]

.308 carries more energy though

[toxic harness]

Go finish your mission

[unkempt granite]

k

[solemn patio]

.308 is higher pressure I believe

[latent crescent]

other than that, what really is the difference 💔

[tired jungle]

Yes but in this context it doesn't matter. We both know we are talking about the same guns in the game

[latent crescent]

mmmm i hate gun calibers they make no sense

worst part of liking guns

[solemn patio]

Real

[tired jungle]

I don't really give a fuck

All rounds go bang

[latent crescent]

it does matter quite a bit

[toxic harness]

Especially with learning Armor levels

[solemn patio]

Theres like a million thet have a singular milimeter difference and if you load the wrong one your gun explodes

[torpid onyx]

it gets pretty easy once you like know them all

[latent crescent]

like ur not gonna take a short barrelled 7.62 weapon into CQB irl unless u want ur ear drums gone

[unkempt granite]

ngl i'd just say use 16 rounds worth of the M32A1 Stun

[latent crescent]

oof

[unkempt granite]

way easier 🥹

[latent crescent]

that'd do the trick

[tired jungle]

It does but it doesn't interest me enough to start yapping about the difference between 308 and 762 nato lol

[toxic harness]

M32A1 negates every armor

[solemn patio]

I dont have it your pc-having majesty

[latent crescent]

L bozo

[unkempt granite]

16 rounds of stun grenades

[toxic harness]

Vro didn't preorder the game 🥀

[solemn patio]

Im a console player sigh

[latent crescent]

PC just gets it for free?

[unkempt granite]

forget your primary + secondary ammo you live for the nades

[solemn patio]

I dont pre order SHIT

[unkempt granite]

i think so i bought the game like 2 weeks ago and got it

[latent crescent]

to be completely fair the console port was kinda botched for this game

[toxic harness]

PC gets it for free as the M32A1 is behind the preorder/deluxe edition on Console

[latent crescent]

yeah same i got it at the start of the month

[latent crescent]

how cheeky

[solemn patio]

*very

[toxic harness]

But then it will be free for everyone in 2026

[latent crescent]

😭

[solemn patio]

Running the supernova and the ol big iron

[toxic harness]

It's just a way of them giving us special gifts for being in that event

[latent crescent]

m320 better anyway

[toxic harness]

Clearly you can't add an extra shot

[latent crescent]

e

[glass heart]

the m320 is useful as it doesnt take up your primary but it does not compare to der flashbangkannone in power

[unkempt granite]

aaaand there goes 6 of my 14 rounds of the m32a1

is there any way to disable reloading if i press twice 1?

[glass heart]

most annoying thing about this

[tired jungle]

Tbh i have still never tried the launchers

[toxic harness]

But yeah like the triple pack for Consoles is:

• M32A1
• Grizzly
• 590m

[tired jungle]

I mostly stick to my ak mods

[latent crescent]

the launchers are like the only tacticals that are worth it

[solemn patio]

590m console default when

[toxic harness]

I fucking hate when you accidentally hit reload and you lose a full cylinder

[tired jungle]

Primary launchers

[unkempt granite]

a tip i'd give is get rid of secondary pistol ammo and give it either to it or the taser for S rank runs

[toxic harness]

Also in 2026

[solemn patio]

I was correcting myself mb

[latent crescent]

oh me neither lol

is the 590m even good i never used it

[tired jungle]

I don't really do s runs anymore. Boring as fuuuck

[glass heart]

i give my swat ai trpl pistols with no ammo to ensure they cant kill anyone

[toxic harness]

Hella good

[solemn patio]

Its just fast reloads

[latent crescent]

i see

i like doing an SAS when clearing so i take the trusty benelli m4 and blast everyone to red mist

[toxic harness]

Use Mp5 like a true SAS

[glass heart]

i wish gore was more dynamic in RoN so you could have even more fun with shotguns

[latent crescent]

this too

[glass heart]

the only headshot animation has their head turn black for some reason

[tired jungle]

I once s ranked carriers of the vine bu accidend with lethals. Had a friend with me so we had lots of utility

[solemn patio]

The SAS also used the Benelli M4 once.

[toxic harness]

Bug for sure

[latent crescent]

visceral blood and boom's bloody ballistics makes sure they are unrecognisable

[glass heart]

their face being caved in is nice but it should change depending on the angle they got shot from

[glass heart]

no its just vanilla, it looks odd

[latent crescent]

boom boom, boom boom boom and the rest surrendered

[glass heart]

like you somehow skinned their head and caved their face in with buckshot

[solemn patio]

And thought they were gonna be beheaded

[tired jungle]

Should be just a regular ass shotgun with a magazine

[glass heart]

buckshot can definitely take chunks out of ppl irl but it should be dynamic depending on angle and how many pellets hit (and the distance)

[latent crescent]

yep

[glass heart]

its nice because the reload is fast

other than that yeah its a normal pump action shotgun with slightly more rounds

[latent crescent]

nothing will beat insurgency sandstorm gore

[unkempt granite]

i did too but with Mindjot

[solemn patio]

Suspects should be able to commit self off

[glass heart]

they can

[solemn patio]

Like regular ones

[toxic harness]

They do

[latent crescent]

i did with hide and seek 😭

[solemn patio]

Not just the hand?

[unkempt granite]

does that affect S rank

[latent crescent]

i had the sa58 osw but my aim was so shit none of the shots landed on their center of mass

[toxic harness]

Any suspect can technically

[glass heart]

brixley does too, im pretty sure other suspects can as well but its a lot rarer

[toxic harness]

S Rank requires everyone to be alive so yeah...

[glass heart]

if anyone dies for any reason s rank fails even if it aint your fault so yes it does

[latent crescent]

lethal obsession the main guy offs himself if u capture (not kill) everyone else

[unkempt granite]

that sucks, jarvis give me 20 more rounds of the M32A1

[toxic harness]

S Rank is supposed to be this perfect run, but I know that canonically some missions aren't S rank

[solemn patio]

WHAT

[toxic harness]

Rest are either an A or B

[glass heart]

most of these situations its a B rank at best

if you want to be real about how a swat team is approaching them

[latent crescent]

yeah he doesnt care about his life, he just wants to see judge in action and break him out of the "USIA brainwashing" or sum

[glass heart]

men with rifles who arent complying are being shot, a lot

[pliant frost]

On Relapse should I use AP or JHP

[latent crescent]

AP

[glass heart]

most of them dont have armor so jhp can work just fine

[latent crescent]

JHP is kinda useless ngl

[toxic harness]

Especially with a 5 man and a leader with military background. The other officers are officers that wanting to join SWAT to help bring order to chaos

[glass heart]

60% of suspects have no plates, about 20% have l2 and another 20% have l3a if im not mistaken

[glass heart]

in the lore theres no way its a 5 man team, thats just a gameplay compromise

[toxic harness]

You can use JHP at Hide and Seek btw

[torpid onyx]

also the only relevant small arms calibers in military applications is 9mm, 45, 10mm, 5.7, 4.6, 40sw, 5.45, 5.56, 6ARC, 6.5 Grendel 7.62x35/300blk, 7.62x39, 6.8/277 fury, 308/7.62x51, 300 win mag, 338 lapua/win mag, 50bmg
and even then this list can essentially be cut down to

9mm, 5.56, 7.62x51, 300blk, 300 win mag, 338 lapua

[solemn patio]

It kills dem DEAD

[glass heart]

most of these situations would get from 20 to 60 operators at once

20 at a MINIMUM

[solemn patio]

15 likely

60 is extreme

[pliant frost]

so ap is a better choice, non-armored still dies from 3-4 bullets

[bronze crypt]

We can assume that the leader isn’t aware of his military background, but still, not even rifles but as soon as you’re being engaged, as a LEO you have every right and probably should return fire

[latent crescent]

los suenos pd is severely underfunded

and understaffed

what pd have u seen where its dead empty

[glass heart]

hide and seek needs a lot of guys pulling security, sure they might not all be swat guys but you need manpower to secure such a large area

[toxic harness]

Well some missions we work with FISA, USIA, ATF, Navy and Border Control or ICE

[torpid onyx]

JHP is ideal for SMGs and for 300blk/7.62x51

[bronze crypt]

It isn’t

[solemn patio]

Hide and seek would have snipers VERY likely

[torpid onyx]

5.56 is iffy cos 5.56 JHP doesn't do well against l3 but 5.56 ap does do well

[bronze crypt]

Less severe operations have seen the deployment of more operators

[glass heart]

all of the maps that have highground would

[solemn patio]

Yup

[latent crescent]

u cant expect like 10 operators to clear a fat building, its not the 1980's and you arent the SAS

[glass heart]

snipers are an incredible force multiplier

[bronze crypt]

Carriers of the vine would have like 100 federal operators AT LEAST

[toxic harness]

How are you not aware of your military background? They def used some military tacts to favor their odds. Plus the D-Platoon are canonically Pacifists

[bronze crypt]

• ISR/aerial support

[pliant frost]

RoN could do some story-based mission

[latent crescent]

dude Judge is like MARSOC level

[bronze crypt]

Because lore wise judge may not be fully aware of his background

[pliant frost]

I mean void

[bronze crypt]

SMU, presumably CAG or NSW

[latent crescent]

Judge is almost superhuman

[toxic harness]

Oh yeah cuz he's a MK Ultra Agent

[unkempt granite]

revolver shotgun when

[toxic harness]

But he is able to do his job perfectly fine

[unkempt granite]

i need my payday 2 loadout

[latent crescent]

bye bye wrists weapon

[toxic harness]

Judge with the Judge is peak

[glass heart]

even in operation nimrod there was about a platoon's worth of SAS operators

[torpid onyx]

I love burning my forearm

[glass heart]

and thats for a building VASTLY smaller than nearly anything you see in RoN

[solemn patio]

Yes

[solemn patio]

He means the taurus judge

[bronze crypt]

I mean, the latest DLC implemented ISR capabilities with the ATAK, right? This could become available in more scenarios

[torpid onyx]

ew 410

[unkempt granite]

yeah this one

[torpid onyx]

410 is only good for ducks and snakes

[glass heart]

ISR should have a variable zoom and we should also be able to BRING ISR of our own

[solemn patio]

Get shot with it and see if you think the same

[glass heart]

drones are used by so many agencies these days

[solemn patio]

That will hurt and could be a good sidearm

[glass heart]

it will hurt but you need your personal sidearm to be able to put a threat out of the fight asap

i have heard a lot of bad things about 410 and the judge especially

[latent crescent]

drones was going to be an option for ready or not but was removed for some odd reason

[glass heart]

so i would not be picking it for this purpose

[bronze crypt]

Yup, as I previously said you could also have a dedicated position for a marksman/precision shooting and be able to use optics with thermal/night imaging units

[solemn patio]

Bomb drones

[torpid onyx]

it would be the least powerful lethal munitions currently in the game

[latent crescent]

NOT bomb drones we are a police force not a military

[glass heart]

it could be plausible honestly

[solemn patio]

.410 slugs

[torpid onyx]

and it's effectiveness out of the judge over like 10-15 meters is questionable at best

[glass heart]

there is a precedent of officers blowing people up when it would be too dangerous to engage them properly

[latent crescent]

getting shot with a .22 is also pretty damn painful but it doesnt mean u should use it to kill people

[solemn patio]

Itd be cool not practical

[torpid onyx]

out of a judge with 410?

[unkempt granite]

would be cool tho

[latent crescent]

yeah pffft who needs to rescue hostages

[glass heart]

think of it like a flying c2 charge

to be used with care, but still has its uses

[latent crescent]

u could use em to blow up doors from afar

[glass heart]

that too

''i use the IED to destroy the IED''

[latent crescent]

big brain idea

they should have kept the drone, it is OP irl and even in ghost recon it proves how damn useful a drone is

especially for maps like hide and seek and greased palms

[bronze crypt]

True but if a door is locked/inaccessible then you can probably safely approach it and deploy your own breaching solution, and that would also help with the core principles of breaching where movement should occur very shortly after the breach to maintain speed, surprise and violence of action

[latent crescent]

but that aint based

[bronze crypt]

The Italians used MaxxPro MRAPs with explosive line charges meant to detonate IEDs

[glass heart]

a mod already exists for kamikaze drones

dji mini4k drone

on nexus

[bronze crypt]

It doesn’t work though

[glass heart]

unfortunate

because the idea is nice

[bronze crypt]

It is and hopefully it will be implemented eventually

[unkempt granite]

is there any way to know how many dudes i've arrested?

like ik on the nightclub is like 14 guys but idk how many i've arrested

[solemn patio]

Bomb drones would be hillarious

Airstrikes when

[bronze crypt]

let us be JTACs/CCTs

[unkempt granite]

how do i get out of this situation, a swat member is stuck between a fence and a breakable wall and doesn't get off it because of a civ who isn't cooperating

i've tries tasing the civ and nothing

bean bag doesn't work

[heady wadi]

Anyone else not able to find a public match?

I click search and it’s searching for ages and not finding a match

So weird

[cloud tree]

I have the same issue. It’s bc of RON devs

Pissing me off

[pliant frost]

Void is cooking a fire update, I promise

Be patient

Someone clever said that

The first dlc is on land

[unkempt granite]

this damn civ is going to make me bring a lethal pistol JUST to kill them i swear

[pliant frost]

The second dlc is on sea

So the third one will be IN THE SKY

[heady wadi]

The game better not end up like phasmophobia, good for the first few months then dies because devs are painfully slow at bringing out content, new weapons, new functionality etc

[pliant frost]

Considering the game's release date of late 2023, it's looking pretty good so far, at least for me

Next update would be cool, but technical condition isn't good still, especially on consoles, many bugs should be fixed asap

[bronze crypt]

misinformation

[pliant frost]

I promise guys!

[pliant frost]

Dura

[storm nest]

add miku to ready or not. thoughts?

[covert furnace]

yes

[latent crescent]

YEA

WE NEED THIS CONTINUE PREACHING

[wooden sequoia]

hi guys i bought this game today what should i expect

everyone says it very buggy and i made a mistake buying it

[unborn echo]

no

[craggy fable]

Game can be buggy sometimes but overall it’s pretty good. I’d say it’s worth it

[daring seal]

i just bought it recently and i havent noticed a bug at all, if you want smth to watch i watched a 4 hour breakdown before buying it but it does spoil a little lore

[jade stump]

Just wish i could play the swat 4 maps without the game crashing on startup

[wooden sequoia]

Alr ty

[wooden sequoia]

I did watch a few too but its endgame

[chilly thorn]

Are the various graffiti on dorms ai-generated, It looks really fucking cool so I sure hope not.

[vagrant belfry]

So...what's next for the game at this point? Feels like I haven't heard anything in a while after the one-two punches of controversy.

[chilly thorn]

My theory is after all the controversy they want to show off something big so they are probably working hard to get something in like a presentable state to not dissapoint the fans like show something to get the playerbase to be like "Damn I can't wait for this next update." That or they all died lol.

[vagrant belfry]

I genuinely hope they get a new community manager at least. Not having any at all just feels weird to me.

[chilly thorn]

I'd like them to release a new roadmap or a development update or something, this game has been dead silent since the community manager left.

[vagrant belfry]

Honestly, with how much the community has grown, and given that the game is now on consoles, having more than one CM would probably be a good idea.

[vagrant belfry]

Only announcement I've seen on Steam since "the event" happened is that the game is Steam Deck certified. That was put out earlier this month.

[chilly thorn]

They are most likely working on SOMETHING right now, Some people believe they like took the money and ran but I don't really think these devs are like that.

even though they are a little stupid sometimes I've never seen them be like malicious

[vagrant belfry]

Same. There's likely a bunch of shit going on behind the scenes that we're simply not privy to.

[chilly thorn]

This game is most likely just going through a rough patch in development, like lets be honest we all kinda knew console release was going to lead to this but its better for it too happen than not.

maybe the reason they are so silent right now is because they are hiring new employees they obviously have more money right now.

I have hope for the future #hopecore

[pliant frost]

Guys

Just finished the game on ironman mode without losing a single officer

Got that watch

[bronze crypt]

crazy

[unkempt granite]

on the car concessionaire mission, is the infiltrated agent a suspect?

[calm axle]

@solemn patio holy aim and what was that pistol in the clip you posted?

[solemn patio]

M45A1, ol .45

7 shots +1 in the chamber

[calm axle]

im assuming its semi-high power?

[solemn patio]

2 shot with jhp unarmored

One shot if you hit the head

[calm axle]

might run it then tbh, ive always been put off non-black pistols cause im just here for the vibe tbh

[solemn patio]

If you want a black one do tle 1911

Its not compensatable or suppressable but

Its alr as a gun

[calm axle]

thanks

ill keep that in mind

[solemn patio]

No muzzle devices is big sad

[calm axle]

frfr

[desert island]

is it possible to beat hardmode without grenades

[solemn patio]

Me when 556 ap doesnt stop the guy from shooting me remotely

[desert island]

hes a terminator

[latent crescent]

type shit 💔

lowk easy to s rank tho just gas spam

[desert island]

gas prbly works better than raw dogging

[daring seal]

Flash is better coz I get to enjoy friendly dire

[latent crescent]

4/20 causal F 😭😭

[languid creek]

Why are there floating bullets everywhere and suspects frozen in place behind cover

Running like shit for no reason wasn’t like this before

[desert island]

low fov is easier than high fov

[bronze crypt]

Wdym?

[quasi coral]

Real

[unkempt granite]

does shooting and missing the head of a suspect make other npcs nearby get stressed?

[delicate basin]

is ready or not a finished game

[static ether]

Just curious has any one had trouble with split breaching with the ai? I will assign one team to one door and one to another and they seem to just walk away when I execute the order to the reverse doors and I’m positive I assign them to the right door

[static ether]

I know shooting in general can raise the stress of suspects and make them more likely to take hostages

I know this from Stolen valor which the suspects are REALLY eager to take hostages the moment they hear you on that map

[stoic thistle]

Which is weird, some of the people in the apartment work for them.

[static ether]

The whole apartment complex is a trap house. But I think that’s a programming thing or I see it as they don’t care about the people that they work with since Dylon is pimp as an example and he treats the prostitutes horribly

[quasi coral]

Negative

[quasi coral]

Yep, been in trouble with that for a while, I'll wait until the next patch comes up when they do the bug purge on the AI

If you're suspecting that they'll jam up like they used to, you can either : Open the door for them or breach for them

[quasi coral]

Generally yes, to us, nah

Still a lot to add, and a lottttt to fix

[static ether]

Yeah I don’t bother with split breaching or if I do I have gold team breach one door while I breach another personally

[quasi coral]

That's where the problem comes

I breach with the AI so it isn't TOO big of a problem unless one of them freezes and I'm not stacked with em

But it's hella annoying when I need them to clear 2 rooms connecting at once and one of em fails to do so (Leading to the seperate element getting injured)

[static ether]

I haven’t had too much of an issue with them clearing a room up until recently in sins of the father and when I try to do split breaches. I’ve been s ranking all the missions lately

[unkempt granite]

i'm fearing that 14 stuns won't cut it on greased palms

[reef anvil]

sometimes I wish there's a RTS mode so I can do syncronised breaching or have them hold a hallway while the other breaches

actually employ real world tactics

[static ether]

It is a rough mission to s rank. I swear I think I attempted greased palms like 50 times or more before I got it

[tired jungle]

Skill issue n stuff

[vast garden]

any tips for the spider s rank? mirror under all doors and wedge?

[surreal pelican]

Wedge the exterior entrances (clinic building) and enter via roof and work your way down

For roof you might want to just throw a flash there before entering in case there's perps there

[reef anvil]

honestly, Hard mode greased palms make me want to end it. I had to mod my game to even get it

call me weak, but there comes a point where I no longer give a shit and want that unfair advantage

[vast garden]

id lowk just fire a m32 flash round up there

[reef anvil]

Hard mode greased palms is an unirionic skill check of a mission

[static ether]

The open area outside doesn’t help. And it’s just a very unconventional visually noisy map that is very hard to spot suspects on

[reef anvil]

Neon Tomb wasn't that bad, just double tap the uhhh bomb guys (Relaxed ROE my beloved)

[static ether]

I’m currently trying to s rank that on normal

[reef anvil]

I got S rank on that normal ages ago

Elephant was hilariously easy once you get a proper strategy down

a proper strat and route

[static ether]

Dude I got elephant s rank first try at least on the run trying to get it s rank

[reef anvil]

god damn you bot

S rank was a pain because of hostage taking in 3 minutes

[static ether]

Yeah it’s very dependent on where the shooters are and if they keep patrolling because I think they stop actively hunting civs when they hear you

[reef anvil]

which is pretty much start of the game

[surreal pelican]

Doing it rn

Trying to S it hard

[surreal pelican]

That works too

[reef anvil]

anyway, my usual strategy for elephant is spawn at the main entrance, head far right to the science wing, beeline to the end of the hallway because an enemy AI spawns there always. Drop him, move up, drop whoever the fuck is up there with lots of flashes then speedrun to the library where the next mass of people are

then work my way down

the main two areas of issues I found for me is the science wing and library. Once both are clear, it's typically smooth sailing. And do not under ANY circumstances go tactical

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast? Well welcome to Fast is smooth, smooth is slow. Go fast

I got the mission done in under 5 minutes, 4 iirc

[thin quartz]

can the pepperball deal self damage?

[surreal pelican]

Whats yours for greased palms hard S?

[stray oar]

If I replace a officer but don’t fire him can I still get watch and the hermit? In Ironman mode

[torpid onyx]

standing in the gas cloud without a mask does tick damage for as long as you're in the cloud

[thin quartz]

I see, second question if you equip NPCs with m32s do they actually shoot them I don't think I've noticed any of my NPCs use the M32s

[reef anvil]

praying

[quasi coral]

You better pray on your knees for any of that

[lethal gulch]

I've a question, is shooting a suspect before they even point at you as taboo as it was in swat 4?

because in swat 4 you needed the gunmen to directly point at you before you started shooting at them

otherwise it'd be unathorized use of force

is it like this on ready or not?

[uncut widget]

yes, before release on console it was worse

[thin quartz]

is RoE only on like hard mode I haven't really noticed it playing on normal

[uncut widget]

They are the same, unless you don't shoot suspect who steps back or putting down the weapon

[karmic birch]

what idiot programmed flashbanging in the area of enemies and allies being ahead of them becoming friendly fire

[uncut widget]

wear your allies a flash googles

[reef anvil]

wait that stops friendly fire?

[uncut widget]

yes

From only flashes

not from stingers

[karmic birch]

they are wearing them

[uncut widget]

Someone is not then

[karmic birch]

they all are wearing them

if valley wasnt hard enough i got ai who laser me and ai who hate me enough to do nothing and i have beanbags that hit for nothing

[uncut widget]

Use flash launcer

[karmic birch]

then i cant see inside the rooms

[reef anvil]

forbidden technique, 100 flash grenades

[uncut widget]

wear flash google

[karmic birch]

no i wont be able to camera

[uncut widget]

I mean primary flash launcher, not long tactical

[karmic birch]

oh im playing old version

[lethal gulch]

how could it be worse lol

in swat 4 it was probably miliseconds after he points the gun at you

which usually meant your ass was getting shot in most cases

[uncut widget]

😭 🔫

Worse means buggy shit ass, when you see how suspect surrenders and suddenly points gun at you, you shoot him and get a damn ROE about how killing people is bad

[karmic birch]

a guy just pulled out a pistol and murdered me while my ai walked down the stairs smh

[lethal gulch]

no way lmfao

that does sound bugged as hell

[thin quartz]

wait oh my god I just realized what that bang was before I entered the room at the start 😭

[uncut widget]

It did, not now. So new players can breath normally and keep yapping that they can't do slide cancel like in CoD

[thin quartz]

I was confused why I didn't get an S rank given that I was non lethal I thought that crackhead got incapacitated somehow but no he just heard me yell and immediately shot himself

[toxic harness]

Skill issue, am I right?

[lethal gulch]

lool

[uncut widget]

Skill problematicanucanasa

[toxic harness]

For sure

[uncut widget]

You beat the game for S on casual?

[toxic harness]

I haven't touched the game since. I grind gold camos for COD lol

[uncut widget]

[toxic harness]

I got gold on all but marksmans and snipers in one game

[uncut widget]

From Buggy peak to "speed demon movement skibidi" peak

[uncut widget]

Better play Sifu, on arenas for gold stamps. It's very easy 😋

[toxic harness]

I'm also on Hotline Miami

Tryna get A+

[uncut widget]

lemon ishowspeed's "my mom is kinda homeless" face

[karmic birch]

nah why does the ai have to stun lock causing my teammates to also be stun locked so they die to the guy who runs up to us smh im not even playing censorship edition

[wraith gale]

that reunion is gonna sigma skibidi tufff

[surreal pelican]

One always dies..

[uncut widget]

Marlon fooled all of us

[lunar steppe]

Anyone else still noticing VOIP on console isn’t working?

[thin quartz]

I thought the beanbag was supposed to make people insta surrender why did that guy tank two beanbags and then dome me

[surreal pelican]

Beanbag shotgun should stun and make them surrender in one shot unless you're using the VPL launcher

[lost inlet]

did you forgot to yell for compliance?

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[latent crescent]

never play public lobby, use #🔎looking-for-players and discord

too many dumb kids in multiplayer

[surreal pelican]

What's your build for greased palms hard S?

[torpid onyx]

are you on elephant

or a map with l4 armor in general

(l4 armour can tank a couple beanbag shots to the chedt without getting stunned btw)

[jolly verge]

Nope

[lost inlet]

where did you even gets that info from?

[glass heart]

armor only affects stuns for the PLAYER

the ai interacts with this system differently

an unarmored guy and a guy with level 4 plates will get stunned the same by a beanbag, even when hit in the plate

its not true to life, but its how the game works

[reef anvil]

I still find it funny that flashing team-mates don't affect them at all

Meanwhile you're just discombobulated

[remote snow]

Somebody explain to me why tf do premades make a public lobby and then kick u as u join. As if I get to choose what lobby I get put in. Why not make a private one and not waste everyone's time.

[surreal pelican]

Imho I feel like the anti flash goggles should remove the screen shake if you're in proximity of a flash nade

Personally I never felt the difference with flash goggles on and without

[glass heart]

this happens in every game with player made lobbies

not much you can do about it, they are just too lazy to set it to private properly

[remote snow]

Annoying af

[fringe fjord]

mr poop

[torpid onyx]

you can test it

if it's a bug it's a bug but I am correct.

[jolly verge]

It's not a thing

[torpid onyx]

there is no point in engaging with an argument to attempt to convince me because I know that it happens frequently and I am correct

[jolly verge]

If suspect not stunned from beanbag - you missed

[torpid onyx]

Ive spend a substantial amount of time on elephant with beanbags to know center mass shots are not guarenteed stuns on those suspects

[jolly verge]

It's always stun regardless of armor type/hit placement

[torpid onyx]

sounds like it's a bug then

case closed

you can go try it if you want

[jolly verge]

Missing shot is not a bug tho

[fringe fjord]

how does smashing my keyboard with a hammer affect my ga416 recoil

[bronze crypt]

question: did the console update make RoN's graphics slightly worse or am I schizo? Deadass the game doesn't look as good as it used to

[jolly verge]

Slightly

[bronze crypt]

is there a way to revert these changes?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[bronze crypt]

How? Also i feel it’s a bit more than slightly

[jolly verge]

Rolling back before LSS update

[bronze crypt]

Ah, I see

Oof

[jolly verge]

Or before 1.0 release, to ADAM update, since this issue starts with release

[bronze crypt]

Well to be fair it would mean more mods would work haha

[modern sleet]

Anyone know where I can find small maps for patrol office game play? Can even be payware.

[bronze crypt]

The changes in some maps are almost night and day too

Also, trying to S tier all missions, am now on twisted nerve and a suspect teleports through a wall and kills me, wow

[uncut widget]

Flash launcher and light armor for more shells. You still get one shot on hard with heavy armor, so what’s a difference?

[jolly verge]

Yeah, dying in 2 shots vs 14 shots of 7.62x39, no difference at all

[bronze crypt]

alt f4d, i keep getting fucking wallbanged by crackheads this shit is not normal

[ripe chasm]

I hope we get more los suenos stories missions soon

[signal condor]

How do ya beat Hide and Seek(

I try to work the perimeter and wedge the doors, but it’s miserable because I keep getting smoked before the big tower thing

[chrome sun]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message you have no idea how many times this has happened to me when I play on hard mode with a shotgun lol @sinful berry

[rotund cypress]

Me too, man

Me too…

[chrome sun]

Are you still playing

I can try to help
You playing on hard or standard

[reef anvil]

Me watching all my mods break the moment the game updates with new content

[lean pollen]

i dont understand this scoring system

its so easy to get S

[chrome sun]

So play hard mode and do it with a beanbag shotgun only

And goodluck

[reef anvil]

[toxic prism]

.

[chrome sun]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message I’m deaaaaad

@hollow flicker Id be pissed lol

You were playing on hard I assume

[hollow flicker]

standard :(

[chrome sun]

That’s WILD

He JUST started surrendering lol

[hollow flicker]

its a good thing you dont get fired for verbally abusing your ai teammates

[onyx swift]

Try to circle around the perimeter, and avoid the most open sightlines until clearing key zones

I also would start by clearing the left side of the map first

Then go back and circle over to the right side (outside still), clear out there, and then it’s time to go indoors

[raven depot]

Anyone know if we're getting cut features back in or maybe even a little communication about the future of the game anytime soon? I miss the level variations between the 4 provided level gamemodes we had (Raid, Hostage Rescue, Barricaded Suspects, and Bomb Defusal). Of course graphics have also been downgraded on PC as well. Any legacy players in here still? Where is the millions in general sales, especially since console release going? I feel like the game I once played has been downgraded beyond belief.

[void jasper]

I’ll be happy with a new map

Honestly I think unreal engine is gettin a lil worn out in this generation of games

[nova agate]

since when void interactive murdered Submachine guns? using these feels i'm shooting ice cream

[jolly verge]

They did not

If you use 9mm against level 3 or level 4 armor then no wonder it's feels bad

[hot garnet]

anyone got tips for Sins of the Father?

[nova agate]

UMP-45 chambered in 45 acp

[jolly verge]

Still can't pen most common armor in game

Use 4.6x30 or 5.7x28 instead

It's wont pen level 4, but 80% stagger chance will give you some time for a headshot

[void jasper]

I like to enter through the elevator

[deep sentinel]

I really love the game but I really don't think Voids gonna make the game as good as it was before 1.0

Feels like they're always taking 1 step forward and 3 steps back

The gamemodes definitely aren't ever coming back, And I highly doubt the different versions of maps are gonna either

[thin quartz]

me watching the officer walk into the central room of ides of march and getting lit up (I didn't tell him to go in there)

[deep sentinel]

I really wanna see them give us the shock factor they promised instead of changing so much shit for the worse, I'm fine with the censorship but I feel like the maps are getting less and less shocking the older the game gets

[placid spruce]

Just tried to do it on commander mode, told the officer to hold a position, dude just goes straight down the hall and dies

[deep sentinel]

The ai are so jank now

[placid spruce]

I didnt really feel it until I hit that Ides of March mission

[deep sentinel]

Honestly I can't complain about them too much cause they used to be so much fuckin worse 😭

[placid spruce]

hahah I can imagine. Its my 3rd day on the game anyway

so I only know the recent vwersion of the ai

[deep sentinel]

Honestly the suspects and civvies need a rework more than the officers

[placid spruce]

I find them to be pretty good ngl

[onyx swift]

Right before LSS though, they felt so much better imo

But way earlier on, yeah even worse

[deep sentinel]

Yeah they we're definitely somewhat better

Pre 1.0 was practically unplayable with the ai

They've come a long way

[onyx swift]

My main gripe is that Hard sometimes throws genuinely crazy stuff at you

[deep sentinel]

Yeah the hard gamemode feels shitty

[onyx swift]

Like, I think Beanbag was bugged at the time, but there were instances where I had shot 5+ times into the COM of a Suspect RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, and they did not flinch

I once did that, had the Suspect still aim at me, flip me off, and then one-shot me

[placid spruce]

hahah

[onyx swift]

I was in disbelief

[placid spruce]

did your bullet penetrate tho?

[onyx swift]

It was Beanbag

I normally run Non-Lethal (technically Less than Lethal)

[deep sentinel]

I only ever played it to unlock "I'm Too Old For This" cause giving the suspects higher health and crazy aim is an unbelievably lousy way of making the game harder

[deep sentinel]

Beanbag is less than lethal, gas is non-lethal

[placid spruce]

Oh, I enjoy having the lethal option always 😄

[onyx swift]

I just say it as Non-Lethal for convenience

like yeah a headshot will kill + Beanbag irl is actually super deadly still, but it's simpler to fit it in with other stuff like CS

[deep sentinel]

Yeah

[onyx swift]

CS Gas has also been super bad since LSS

[deep sentinel]

It got its radius heavy downgraded thats why

Only gas worth using now is the launcher

[onyx swift]

Felt like (at least on Hard), Beanbag is your best bet
and it was still inconsistent right as LSS launched, like in the example I mentioned earlier

Or the new Launchers, lol

I feel as if the Launchers were specifically made to go with Hard

[deep sentinel]

Beanbag is how I did 90% of my playthrough

[onyx swift]

While CS gas proceeds to do almost nothing now

[deep sentinel]

They need to rework the difficulties entirely

Instead of just making the suspects stronger or weaker they need to act differently

[onyx swift]

I was once shot right after loading into A Lethal Obsession on Hard, and taking about 2 steps
Died almost instantly

[deep sentinel]

I'd never think to be storming an apartment building with about 12 veterans just for them to be running around the halls like fucking idiots

[placid spruce]

hahah Id be kinda pissed

[deep sentinel]

I'd love to see a system where the ai actually move to easier to defend area's or not push you when they've already been shot

[onyx swift]

There was also another time (but not on the same map), where I got shot by a Suspect while they were turning around

Realism 100

[deep sentinel]

The ai are another level of jank rn

[placid spruce]

I kinda like that they randomly push you ngl, it makes having somebody watch behind you actually useful

[deep sentinel]

I've kinda stopped playing lately

[deep sentinel]

Oh they 100% randomly push you its crazy

[onyx swift]

True, Hard with the random pushes lol

I cover my squad for that reason if they're reloading or cuffing

[deep sentinel]

9 times outta 10 they'll push in the most fucking random ass way for no apparent reason and its either you die because you can't shoot in time or they just don't do anything for a few seconds and you take them out

[placid spruce]

Oh they usually miss me or dont deal enough dmg to kill

[deep sentinel]

Wait until you try hard

[placid spruce]

Ive got quite a while till that

[deep sentinel]

And suddenly every dude's gun is stocked with a full 30 round mag of fucking 50 BMG

It's insane how all void did for hard was make them tank bullets and give them insane aim and damage

[onyx swift]

And you die in maybe 5 shots at times, if lucky

[deep sentinel]

Literally

[onyx swift]

I think most of my deaths on Hard came from 4 or less

With everything in the book for protection (though I use Ceramic, if that also is a huge thing)

[deep sentinel]

Oh definitely

There's been times I've taken one shot to the face from a dude like 50 meters away thats spotted my fucking right pinky finger

I'd love to get more use out of nvgs at some point too

[onyx swift]

Time of Day for more maps would be so cool

But also a lot of work + some data in our intel would need to compensate for changes

[deep sentinel]

I want them to add the ability to turn the power off like they said they would

But their excuse is always "we can't do that because all the maps have baked lighting"

I don't understand why they cant have two presets for when the power is turned on and when its off and just switch between the two when the player turns off the power

[jolly verge]

They have to make all lighting dynamic instead of baked, as for now it's not possible, just like planar reflections for mirrors

[onyx swift]

UE5 has some good tools for it, but would VOID be able to keep the performance stable?

[deep sentinel]

There would definitely be a way of making togglable power while still using baked lighting

What ever happened to them millions of dollars they earnt from the console release

[jolly verge]

There is, but who cares, they did not do a bunch of things because of "no time"

[deep sentinel]

Just feels like they're making excuses for everything atp

Maybe its because they're working on something massive (I'm delusional)

[onyx swift]

I'm still concerned with how LSS made the game like 70% lighter out of nowhere

I mean, my performance is crazy better since then- but at what cost?

[deep sentinel]

My performance barely changed somehow

[jolly verge]

Porting game from 4.27 to 5.3 unreal engine did this, they just wont or unable to make lighting match the old one

[onyx swift]

I went up like 10-20% in framerates compared to before LSS + my GPU noticeably was quieter while running the same settings as before

[onyx swift]

I guess it's from that + all the "worse textures" stuff that I heard around for some time

[deep sentinel]

The textures didn't really get that much worse

I'm more pissed about them removing so much foliage and shi

[onyx swift]

I didn't notice much myself, too

[deep sentinel]

There was a massive decline in the amount of props and foliage after the console port

[onyx swift]

It was the censorship for the affected maps, that was much more visible
But ehh, that's a whole cesspool to get into

[deep sentinel]

Game looks way less alive now

[deep sentinel]

The censorship was never the problem

[bronze crypt]

They can make another instance basically, I feel like this is a stupid excuse honestly

[deep sentinel]

Its the fact void went back on their promises that fuckin sucks

[deep sentinel]

Exactly

[onyx swift]

true, I'd say it's both for that case

It doesn't hit the same to introduce some of my newer friends to the game, and they're confused on Valley of the Dolls for example

[deep sentinel]

Nah, nearly every problem they've had so far stems from them going back on their promises of "we don't care about what people think this is our game" and "we will listen to our community about adding features"

Its just shit to see how little void care about the game now

[onyx swift]

I'm glad that the game is on Consoles now, more people to play with but dang the news that came alongside it has been a doozy

[bronze crypt]

I’m not glad because we received a downgrade visually

Also I am really sorry, but who really wants to play with console players? I know this sounds really rough but this is like 5% of the playerbase at most

[onyx swift]

fair enough on the downgrade upset

[onyx swift]

Consoles make up a large portion of cross-platform games, tbf

[bronze crypt]

Why damage a foundation and roll out updates that break everything for that?

[deep sentinel]

The Valley Of The Dolls censorship is the only one that pisses me off, the whole idea of that mission is clearing the house level by level and finally arriving at the basement thinking you've saved the day to see photos of not just a bunch of children but the sick fucks own daughter on the wall's and realising that it stems far beyond Voll

[onyx swift]

Though the leading ones don't roll out exact numbers so often

[bronze crypt]

But this isn’t Fortnite or CoD or something with a very large playerbase that could justify this

Imo

[onyx swift]

It's still a game that's made better with an actual squad

Despite it not trying to keep people's attention 24/7

[bronze crypt]

Yes, but not when you damage the foundation

Not when many mods break

Not when the dev team stops communicating

[deep sentinel]

Console players definitely take up a good 30-50% of the player base now and I genuinely think it was a good idea adding crossplay and releasing the console version before they had to build the game from the ground up, it still looks great, its still a fucking shocking game, it's purely just the fact that Void have gone soft on so much shit they said they wouldn't

[onyx swift]

Mods will break sooner or later for a major update each time?
Well, occasionally at least

[deep sentinel]

Mods break from someone adding a fuckin post it note to the game bro

[bronze crypt]

I know you say that but look at them side by side, before and after (simply in terms of visual fidelity)

[deep sentinel]

Mods breaking is always gonna happen

[deep sentinel]

Yes, the game looks worse now I know but its still a visually appealing game

[bronze crypt]

You do you then

[bronze crypt]

I’m not saying it’s not

[onyx swift]

Also, this is one of the games where Console vs PC doesn't really matter

You can still shoot very well on a Controller regardless

[bronze crypt]

That’s not what I wanted to suggest

[deep sentinel]

You're saying it's worse because of the graphics and console then there's much bigger problems with void

[onyx swift]

oh ok, my bad

[bronze crypt]

Again, not what I said

I said it’s one of the elements that play into the “downgrade”, but I also underlined some major issues like inconsistency from VOID and also their silence and the lack of interaction with the community

[deep sentinel]

One of the elements but a very minor one at that

[bronze crypt]

Again, I don’t understand what is hard to infer from my message

[deep sentinel]

I literally understand what you're saying

[bronze crypt]

Then why keep insisting on something random like that? 😭😭

[deep sentinel]

Fym random bro you're literally talking about the fucking graphics 😭

[bronze crypt]

BRO 😭😭 why are you so fixated on them ??? 😭🙏 can we just agree void should reassess their approach?

[deep sentinel]

You literally started this convo with lighting and graphics I'm so confused dawg 😭

[bronze crypt]

Dawg bro

[deep sentinel]

Yes Void should reassess heavily

[bronze crypt]

Let’s just make out and start from scratch

[deep sentinel]

Whoa

[onyx swift]

Looks like you're Not Ready for that

[bronze crypt]

:3

[deep sentinel]

Never said i wasnt ready

[brisk glacier]

Anyone else crashing alot rn? Just had two crashes in 3 mins

[onyx swift]

[bronze crypt]

Question: can I downgrade my game in a separate instance so that I have the current version and an older one?

[jolly verge]

Yes

Steam depot

[bronze crypt]

Ah, great!

How though? So far it only lets me downgrade the current version so I’m only left with the old one if I were to follow

[jolly verge]

It's download the game into separate folder

[latent crescent]

good thing im on pc

i thought the same too thinking it'd be just dolls now but when i entered that room those werent dolls bro 💀

the censorship is so minimal (apart from child placeholders in VotD) that it doesnt matter

on a side note the primary flash grenade launcher is so OP for non lethal runs

[bronze crypt]

Also I will say it’s a shame the AI doesn’t hide under furniture anymore

[latent crescent]

they do i saw one tryina hide under the bed but its so damn rare its negligible

its really sad they dont do that anymore i agree, idk why they removed it

[desert island]

the m32 is OP for all runs

instead of askin them to surrender u stun them then kill them with deagle

[latent crescent]

they surrender instantly even on hard mode

genuinely made relapse a cake walk to do S rank hard

[desert island]

its wonky

u can flash like 6 ppl at once but u cant tie them all without dyin so u can just execute all 6

[latent crescent]

fair enough

[desert island]

relapse bomb room suspect conga line

tell swat to tie the suspect, another suspect comes in and they stop tyin the suspect and the suspect gets up and pistols the swat to death

[bronze crypt]

i fucking hate steamcmd and how difficult it is to get access to an older RoN version

holy shit it such a pain in the ass

[spiral meteor]

I think that ready or not should be a 6 player format. The 5 player format just makes it awkward when teams split off because it is uneven and makes it harder for teams to clear effectively.

[pliant nest]

On missions sins of the father I found a civilian who looks poisoned and his body is on the floor and he’s like seizing up will he affect my teammates morales

[onyx swift]

I had a Civ do so in Sins of the Father recently, and I swear one of the Suspects came from a closet

[onyx swift]

this is a fair point tbh

Suspects on Hard get back up so quick/sometimes are so resistant to get down

Tying them up ASAP is a must, before one takes their gun back and charges you

[onyx swift]

uhh, probably not

[desert island]

ai suck at listening to orders

[latent crescent]

no

[pliant nest]

Ty

[bronze crypt]

Are we ever going to get a deployment animation similar to MW 2019 like they teased many years ago?

[latent crescent]

bro when can we get an embassy mission in this game

[bronze crypt]

I keep looking at cut content (cut animations, weapon disarmament, dialogue with civvies) there is so much content that was cut and replaced by bland stuff, the more I look at Ron I realise that without all these mods it’s such a simple and almost boring game

Like seriously the devs have show that they are more than capable of delivering amazing features

And these concerns have been around for almost three years, even longer

Crazy the rabbit hole I’m going down

[latent crescent]

they cut away from drones and the 2021 hotel map

which was used an insane amount for marketing

like why did they cut away from drones? they would be amazing for port hokan

[bronze crypt]

That’s what I am saying, they use so much shit for marketing and then boom it’s gone

[bronze crypt]

Precisely

[latent crescent]

they also cut away from the 5 different gamemodes for each mission

barricaded suspects, raid, active shooter, bomb threat, and hostage rescue

active shooter was lowk clapped tho

[bronze crypt]

Suspects also used to do crazy animations like side stepping that they don’t do anymore, and in the very very first versions you could adjust your stance like in Tarkov or open doors gradually

[bright iron]

Will console ever get the replay feature

[bronze crypt]

The only thing I don’t want them to add that it had and hinted at being added is PVP

[latent crescent]

the PvP was ATROCIOUS

and u could jump in the game

im so glad we dont have PvP that shit was actual garbage

[bronze crypt]

https://youtu.be/JcA7Nwa1L9I?si=eJBMNx3NDP3OIUT1

Interesting to look back at this

I got back into ready or not like 4-5 days ago but I first played in 2021 must have been?

On one hand it was different, on the other it wasn’t (which I would argue is not a good thing haha)

[onyx swift]

bruh I got an A+ despite maxing my score for Relapse

I already S Ranked it, but it would’ve been perfect since I’m on Ironman Mode right now

I think one Suspect or Civ was caught in crossfire

smh

[surreal pelican]

I'll try this, thanks

[elder ember]

An embassy mission would slap ngl

[uncut widget]

You gotta understand that suspect don't shoot always in the armor

[latent crescent]

type shit the Hand would do frfr

[elder ember]

[latent crescent]

thatcher approved

[elder ember]

It took me 56 tries to complete relapse and still didnt get the achievement for disabling the bombs under 2 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-16962943832134133311

[potent sable]

Can anyone say if RoN plays decently with a controller? Usually play it on my desktop but thought i'd try it out on steamdeck

I imagine the command menu may be a bit tricky to work with?

[reef anvil]

Wait that's an achievement

Guess who's speedrunning relapse now

Go go gadget 7 62

[elder ember]

Yes. Getting both bombs under 2 minutes is a achievement

[elder ember]

Absolutely. Imo 10x better than on keyboard and the command menu is simple and easy to use

[reef anvil]

The command menu isnt that hard on K&M

It's middle mouse and what numbers to press

[elder ember]

Btw start on the main entrance not the emergency one. When you start to cross the sky bridge you Will get hammered by enemies

[placid slate]

Will RoN get Mods on console?

[elder ember]

No

[stiff kraken]

Hello , do someone know if we need to do every objective on every mission on hard mode to get the « i’m too old for this » achievement ? I did everything but on relapse mission one of my Friends killed one suspect that was supposed to survive in order to complete one objective. Because i did every mission on hard mode but the trophy is still stuck on 17 mission

[potent sable]

Was asking about it on controller

[reef anvil]

You get to hit hostage taker prick first that's a primary objective

[elder ember]

Primary target? You can get him immediately after you enter the morgue from the main entrance. His spawn rate in the morgue is 30% and in the MRI room 50% (atleast in my attempts)

[reef anvil]

I just target him first because he takes hostages and the damn objective needs him alive

Hostages costs runs, guess who's going on the chopping block first

[elder ember]

I usually hit him with a stinger and run in. Or tap him in the arm with my pistol

[reef anvil]

Flashbang , and that did nothing to the guy 😭

[elder ember]

Stinger him. Flashes don't do jack shit to primary targets. Immediately after yoy stinger run in

[reef anvil]

Baffling design choice

[elder ember]

And you won't get a message from the advisor guy unless you go from the emergency entrance

[elder ember]

Ik its dumb ash

Idk why but going from the main entrance no hostages will be taken and ive secured that guy within 10 minutes which is More than enough to kill one hostage

[reef anvil]

I just hate that guy, he costed me so many runs that I end up just going beelining to him first

Before I hit any other objective

[elder ember]

Thats what i did too. But the thing is the sneaky corners filled with enemies are the worst. Especially bomb sites. Which activate after 15 minutes within the run on hard difficulty or 20 on normal