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[heavy prairie]

Clear half of the rooms by myself?

[wraith gale]

no. just play smart

[unkempt granite]

is there any way to make my squad use the taser instead of the secondary?

or use the taser at all?

[valid raven]

What is the tactic for like a ton of people burst into a room and scream at a single person

The idea is to overstimulate the suspect so they can’t think

I have found it can be quite effective

[wooden saddle]

Indoors and very close quarters in general.

Many suspects who didn't even raise the weapon and see you at a few meters with beanbag pointed at them are likely to just give up.

Except the baddies. They really want flashbangs to calm the f*** down.

And right, I've got the revolver for those impossible catches, like the rooftop on Mindjot. Don't mind being an A+ there.

[unkempt granite]

will i get an bonus if i get no kills?

[sturdy crater]

Cosmetics. But you have to arrest

[jovial lake]

Are suppressors ever silent, like do they alert guys differently depending on the gun or do they all have the same like sound radius reduction type deal

[quasi coral]

I wonder if there is a general penalty for shooting teammates in multiplayer

(For public hosting of course)

[quasi coral]

Surpressed weapons all have the same stress reduction range(and sound radius reduction)

[jovial lake]

Coolio

[quasi coral]

If I remembered correctly

[jovial lake]

I was using some ar and had a suppressor, went into a mission fired a shot and was like bro that's with a suppressor?

[quasi coral]

Surpressors in real life don't actually surpress as much as you'd think lol

[jovial lake]

Yup im aware of that but took me off guard in this game cuz all other games dont do it so accurately

[quasi coral]

It's still just as ear bleeding, it's only slightly noticeably quieter indoors(If you're in another room or 3, please wear ear protection)

[quasi coral]

IKR??

But ya, no worrys, they do have some sort of sound radius reduction for stress impact and reduced alert range

[jovial lake]

Okii just had to make sure

[surreal sorrel]

Do leg shots not work in this game

[torpid onyx]

if you're using AP ammo limb shots only deal 30% damage iirc

[surreal sorrel]

So gotta be hollow point?

[unborn echo]

not work? as in what? not doing damage or not hitting?

[surreal sorrel]

I've shot on legs multiple times and it doesn't seem to phase them at all

Like on calves, to try and stagger or make suspects surrender but they like light work no reaction

[unborn echo]

staggering actually happens alot more on body shots than limbs shots, maybe thats why

[surreal sorrel]

I was one tapping people on port hokan with hp round body shots so I was trying not to kill them

[unborn echo]

honestly, if you dont want to kill them in the first place, use nonlethal or less lethal, because incapacitated counts as kill anyway so, only exception being HVTs

[surreal sorrel]

If i tie them up before they stop screaming would they still be alive

[unborn echo]

as long as they are downed it counts as kill

[surreal sorrel]

Aww

[void linden]

has anyone ran into an issue where they can’t select another team and is only stuck on one for the rest of the session

[unborn echo]

huh?

can you be a little more specific

[void linden]

so, i’m currently on hide and seek — sent in blue team to deal with one of the small offices while i cleared the rest of the outside with red. now as i’m trying to get ready to move in on the warehouse, i can only utilize red team

[unborn echo]

if you're on pc scroll the mouse wheel, if still cant then check again to see if they're dead or not

[void linden]

they’re both alive and i’ve tried using the mouse wheel and still nothing

oddly enough if i hover over one of them individually, i can still have them do minimal actions

[surreal sorrel]

Yah that happens to me too

[unborn echo]

you can check bug reports for the same issue, if not then you can report it through there

[surreal sorrel]

Usually it resolves it self tho and let's me select them after a while never had it for the whole session tho

If you can select gold and order them to fall in

[void linden]

i can’t even select gold, i’m just only with red 😭

[surreal sorrel]

Weird

[quasi coral]

Damn was gonna help, but not even gold??! Ya you're done for

[void linden]

tryna S rank this shit too

[unborn echo]

i have never encountered that issue, usually if you cant select a team means they're both dead

[quasi coral]

Maybe they did die and this guy is hiding the truth (usia theory)

Fr though, if you're really persistent you'll have to find somewau

[quasi coral]

Uhh, so like, how about the default command? I've had mine set to fall in

You really can't scroll to gold there as well?

[void linden]

no

[quasi coral]

Ya you might have to restart the mission lil officer

[void linden]

i’m just gonna finish as much as i can

[void linden]

with what little resources i have

am i gonna be cooked? yes

[stone bay]

don't you guys just hate when you see a suspect then a civilian runs right through the doorway the suspect is shooting through?

[unborn echo]

shoulda do light armor, m32a1 launcher, 12 40mm flash and m320 flash as well

no teammate needed, easy S acquired

[quasi coral]

Dumbahh civis

Might as well be a suspect with how much shots they're taking for em

[void linden]

☠️

oh thank god it came back

i just interacted with a civilian and had them arrested so we gucci

[unborn echo]

reject being a conventional rifleman, embrace grenadier

[stone bay]

truuuuuueeeeee

[stone bay]

r u using a beanbag?

[void linden]

no i use the pepperball rifle

[stone bay]

beanbag helps you get suspects on the ground quicker and doesn't use as much ammo.

[surreal sorrel]

Beanbag headshots

I love bringing the pepper spray for civies

Everybody getting sprayed

[unborn echo]

-50 unauthorized use of force

[surreal sorrel]

Oh its authorized alright

[stone bay]

that kills them

[surreal sorrel]

I know lol

[surreal pelican]

How did you guys beat hard mode when neon tomb feels hell on Ironman mode?

I wanna try doing hard mode now that I'm done with ironman

[unkempt granite]

so i now know i can use the spycam to check for mines, but how do i disable them?

[surreal sorrel]

Order team

Or peek door adjust ur self close to trap and use multitool

[torpid onyx]

greased palms is worse

[surreal pelican]

On hard mode?

[torpid onyx]

yes

[unborn echo]

light work no reaction

[spice shard]

is there a timeline on when the graphics downgrade will be fixed? i haven't been keeping up with it

[surreal pelican]

Do you have a suggested build I can try?

[surreal sorrel]

Anybody else go full john wick mode no mercy when they lose an officer

[unborn echo]

are you like, actually heather?

[surreal sorrel]

Actually yes

Its my name

[unborn echo]

it was a pun

[surreal sorrel]

Oh

[worn basalt]

Does PS5 record in game voice chat if anyone knows lol

[surreal sorrel]

Google says no but I personally dont know

[spiral tundra]

I had easier time with greased palms hard S than neon 😭

[worn basalt]

Damn okay well ty anyways

[surreal pelican]

Same here but for ironman standard

Wish me luck, I'm starting hard mode run now with shield and MK V

[blissful furnace]

anyone else find the game pretty forgiving

[surreal sorrel]

Hell nah

(imo)

[blissful furnace]

I can tank 3 shots like nothing when I myself make a mistake

[surreal sorrel]

I mean with the current ai I dont think it would be fair otherwise

Imagine getting one tapped every time from angles you couldn't possibly have seen

[final ember]

It used to be, but hard mode changes that

[blissful furnace]

I downloaded an AI mod and put it to real life difficulty

still the same but you can one tap your teamates instead

[final ember]

Huh ok

[blissful furnace]

I just don't know why there isn't a real life mode where you can take max 2 shots to a good spot before going down, imo the realistic experience would be to show off the fact that a single mistake by a single man can cost the entire team, especially in high stake environments such as ones where swat responds to

[blissful furnace]

I literally led my team into an encirclement by mistake on the hide and seek map, we came out without a single casualty which is stupid to me

[marsh lark]

Would you be out of wind and with some broken ribs, yes. But you wouldn't die from those shots.

[blissful furnace]

true that, but you wouldn't be able to keep your aim steady and you'd eventually get a third shot into a bad spot

[marsh lark]

Probably not. Then for that "argument". You are not a regular human but a super soldier, a killing machine modified by USIA

[blissful furnace]

afaik its a super soldier in the mental sense, lack of emotion and stress during combat, still prone to getting unsteady aim though, significantly less tho

[terse yarrow]

Who's Ron

[unborn echo]

ron

[marsh lark]

I guess that makes sense.

[blissful furnace]

maybe less pain receptors, but the game is set like 2010-2025

tech cannot be that advanced to make supersoldiers resistant to bullets

[spiral tundra]

It’s set 2022-2027

Most missions take place in 2025

With some in 2024

[blissful furnace]

judging by the mindjot data centres its 2010 tech lowkey

[spiral tundra]

The city is poor

[spiral tundra]

Nvm I’m wrong

All of them are 2025 except I believe hide and seek and buy cheap buy twice

[surreal pelican]

Nvm I wasn't ready

[blissful furnace]

and the DLC map on the oil rig is in 2027 i think

[heavy prairie]

Can I switch officers on my Ironman mode run for the watch?

Or am I stuck with the ones I got

[spiral tundra]

Yeah

[jolly verge]

The watch require only no KIA and no resigns, anything else is allowed

[heavy prairie]

Alright

[jolly verge]

You can fire, replace officers just fine

[heavy prairie]

Alright I was asking cause ima go full lethal on valley of dolls

[jolly verge]

Just keep few suspects alive to offset stress gain from kills

2 negotiators will help a lot

[heavy prairie]

Alright

[blissful furnace]

home invasion vs dark waters

[spiral tundra]

I prefer dark waters

[blissful furnace]

which one is harder in your opinion

i know the villa is hard af, but idk if thats in home invasion

[final ember]

You mean the huge mansion?

[blissful furnace]

yeah

the oil rig dudes

[final ember]

Yeah its home invasion

[blissful furnace]

i played it a few times it feels really hard

anyone played oil rig before is it good

[final ember]

No

[blissful furnace]

why so

[final ember]

😐

[blissful furnace]

i mean I was doing it with a team of real players

[final ember]

Its a bit laggy and just not really fun navigating

[blissful furnace]

both dlcs have only 3 missions?

[final ember]

Yup

[blissful furnace]

so you'd say home invasion is better?

[final ember]

Even though I hate Dorms I would say yes, Home Invasion is better

[blissful furnace]

idk im more tempted towards dark waters

the helo insertion is cool af

[final ember]

Thats up to you, I personally didn't enjoy any of them much

[blissful furnace]

but the oil tycoon mansion map is also a really fun one

[spiral tundra]

Dark waters harder

[blissful furnace]

so dark waters it is

[spiral tundra]

I mean villa is hard in one area

[blissful furnace]

I played the villa a few times

[spiral tundra]

They’re really dispersed on lower floors but on the top floor they like to be in a big room with many hostages

[blissful furnace]

the issue was climbing the stairs tho

there we go

dark waters

[surreal pelican]

Do you have any advice/build for hard mode? 🙏

[jolly verge]

Lethal: .300blk or 7.62x39 guns with JHP ammo. Heavy vest full coverage steel + ballistic mask. 2 negotiators 1 armorer 1 nutritionist

Non-lethal: M32A1 with flash ammo only. Heavy vest full coverage steel or ceramic + ballistic mask. 2 pacifiers 2 negotiators

Best build: Taser only. No armor and helmet. 2 intimidators 2 pacifiers. This build require to keep suspects stress below their threshold, so it's wont work on Lethal Obsession, Elephant, Neon Tomb and Relapse missions

[surreal pelican]

Thank you 🙏

[surreal pelican]

What do I bring for grenades and tactical devices and for long tactical?

[haughty oriole]

No you only get a score penalty but not for them individually.

[unborn echo]

imagine using 300 blackout unironcally

[quasi coral]

Goddamit

[quasi coral]

.300 blackout users when they find out you use 5.56(You're not gonna hear the end of it)

[haughty oriole]

You know in insurgency, if you kill a teammate once, you get a warning not to kill anyone else and if you hurt anyone else you'll get all of the damage you're gonna take all you're gonna cause. It would be a good deterrent against assholes.

[quasi coral]

For Ready or Not they should suspend you for an hour per teammate killed

[haughty oriole]

Nah not for one it can happen to kill a tm8 by mistake. I'd say if you kill too many under a hour then you should get suspended for a day.

For online games anyways

[unborn echo]

fr like why would you use 300 blackout when 7.62x39 is right there

[quasi coral]

Oh, ya that would work better

[unborn echo]

aspid typing a whole paragraph

[quasi coral]

Because 5.56 is absent

[jolly verge]

For less-lethal you use 40mm ammo in all slots, so no nades, for swat ai flash or stinger, does not really matter

C2 for breach option, but it's seems to be ineffective on suspects on hard difficulty, but still gonna ragdoll them within 5m from the door

Long tactical M320 flash/stinger for yourself if you going less lethal, for lethal mirrorgun or any other long tactical that suits better for you. Idk what would be the better option for swat ai

[quasi coral]

Nerd!!

[unborn echo]

called it

[quasi coral]

Bet you wear them reading glasses on your eye wear settings

[haughty oriole]

But anyways it's really hard to kill a tm8 in this game.

[quasi coral]

Extremely hard, even for people who are used to those fast paced shooters

[haughty oriole]

You get a pretty much a good amount of time to realize you're shooting a tm8 in order for you to eventually stop

[latent crescent]

are you ready or not?

[haughty oriole]

Sometimes they even take a full magazine

[quasi coral]

Ya, so maybe 2 - 3 teammates in less than an hour sounds reasonable

[haughty oriole]

yeah they gotta improve that

[quasi coral]

Indeed

[latent crescent]

how big is the jump from standard to hard difficulty?

[quasi coral]

But.. For now, I'll stick to friend hostings

[quasi coral]

Even the smallest mistakes are extremely deadly, you'll be on the very edge

[haughty oriole]

I like to call it the "no fun mode"

[quasi coral]

That's how big the jump is

If you're already stressed playing standard, reconsider even touching hard

[latent crescent]

oh so rainbow six realistic difficulty, got it

[haughty oriole]

Now mix getting shot from every small crack in greased palms to the precision of the Left behinds with 1 nanosecond time to die and do this for each map.
That's herd difficulty in a nutshell.

[latent crescent]

oh, thats not nice

[haughty oriole]

The gas station is still easy in hard you won't have beef over there

[surreal pelican]

Thank you brother, ideally how many grenades/tactical should I bring for myself and AI? my usual setup with light is 2 flash and 2 stinger and 2 wedges for everyone

[jolly verge]

Well what have in the list: 50% faster RoF for suspects rifles (AKM goes to 1000RPM), much better accuracy (still not that accurate like before 1.0), +30 more health which means no more oneshots with 7.62x51, faster reaction time, higher damage cap (70 > 80) so it's possible to die in 2 hits instead of 3 on bare torso or on the side with light vest only, more suspects, more explosive traps and so on

[haughty oriole]

Don't bring wedges for everyone, only for yourself if you really need them. Give em all flashes

It's a waste of space

[surreal pelican]

Got it

[latent crescent]

no wedge good

but u can reuse them, so u dont need more than 2 if needed at all

[haughty oriole]

Nah they useless you don't need 10 wedges

Because in fact you can reuse them as you said

[latent crescent]

have one teammate carry one wedge tho

2 wedges at a time is pretty damn solid

[blissful furnace]

everything but fixing the fact you can survive a whole magazine

[jolly verge]

Swat ai always should use heavy vest, put 1 slot ammo for primary and secondary if needed and everything else between devices

[blissful furnace]

they use what you give em

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, so for both less lethal and lethal builds, heavy vest and 1 ammo slot for their primary and secondary. Which device you recommend I bring along for the hard run with the ai?

[jolly verge]

You can tank infinite amount of shots if you lucky with bleeding

[surreal pelican]

I love my wedges

[blissful furnace]

you ever get flanked? I hardly ever get flanked for some reason

i've tried everything, AI overhaul mods, hard difficulty..

[surreal pelican]

I can't remember, but the civvies always run away if they don't find a wedged door

[blissful furnace]

never had the issue with civvies other than having to play hide and seek when i kill everyone else

[jolly verge]

None for less-lethal, you take all slots for 40mm flash ammo

For lethal flashbang or stinger, flashbang wont cause FF if you hit swat ai with it

Stinger has 2m more radius

[surreal pelican]

Gotcha, and for tactical devices C2 or wedge?

[surreal pelican]

Same here

[jolly verge]

I have never used wedges, so it's up to you. C2 like I said is ineffective in terms of morale damage on hard mode, but still can ragdoll suspect for free arrest

[stone briar]

Is there future dlc planned? or like a ready or not 2?
just wondering I recently got into this game

[blissful furnace]

the game seriously is sparse with the stuff it has been promoted to have, and its not even fun. what happened to the suspects hiding under beds, inside of stuff, taking hostages and actually killing them, flanking. advanced ai nowhere to be seen

only had it happen once that the suspect hid inside a closet

[surreal pelican]

Gotcha, I think I'll still bring the wedges. Thank you aspid

[surreal pelican]

I've seen them taking and killing hostages

[blissful furnace]

yeah but have you seen them play dead, hide under beds etc, each of those respectively happened once

[surreal pelican]

I've seen gerard play dead before and someone hiding under a meth table

[blissful furnace]

hmm didn't happen to me

[unborn echo]

suspects dont typically hide, they do hide tho, you're very unlikely going to encounter it, but it happens, and it also depends on map, for example, twisted nerve and carrier of the vine, you are more likely going to encounter suspects hiding inside closets or under the bed

they do kill hostages, what gave you the impression that they dont? and they do flank

[unborn echo]

i have seen them play dead too

[blissful furnace]

the thing that gives me the impression of it not happening is suprisingly.. the fact it isn't happening to me

[unborn echo]

because its percentage based, as literally any other thing in gaming

prob just unlucky

or lucky?

[blissful furnace]

im aware, they could buff it up abit or even give us control over the % via console or cheats

[remote scaffold]

Still waiting for the game to be released on gamepass 😭

[blissful furnace]

now im playing elysian

and suprisingly the so called t1 operators cannot hit a swat operator hollywood clearing the rooms

i thought ex t1 members would put up a fight

[unborn echo]

also about playing dead, if you detonate c4 charge with a suspect right on the other side of the door they will always play dead, but if you shoot at them most of the time they wont, i mean, why would you suddenly play dead in the middle of a shooting? logically speaking its better to just shoot back rather than suddenly drop down

it still happens, just rare, you can tell if they are faking it or not by the guns strapped to their body, if they are downed and not have their guns dropped they're faking it

[blissful furnace]

because its better to catch them off guard?

them in context of the enemies/ in this case us

[unborn echo]

in the middle of a shooting, when enemies are already in front of you

unless you meant like faking death BEFORE we even arrive, then yeah that never happens

[blissful furnace]

in what world are you seeing shootings occur without cover, or atleast concealement. they could just act they got hit even if it missed, irl theres no hit marks + the sights aren't 100% accurate irl neither in the game (and lasers too)

[unborn echo]

counter argument here, even in the real world, there WOULD absolutely be indication that someone were shot, bullets are not needles, they punch holes through your body

also why would you be concerned about them catching you off guard anyway if you're actually policing you'd cuff them whether they're confirmed dead or not

[blissful furnace]

and I rarely see the suspects faking surrender, which is stupid. It should occur way more, especially on suspects with psychedellic effects

ea drugs

[blissful furnace]

in an extended gunfight you don't have the time nor the nerves to look if you actually hit the opponent. if they fall thats your indicator

[blissful furnace]

I mean as you are approaching to cuff the suspect

[unborn echo]

i mean, lets be honest, no real life swat would send 5 men infiltration into ANY confirmed barricaded thresh hold, there are many tactic and strategy to counter it, even if they do its always with many squads, not one

and this game was never grounded on realism it has SOME realism aspect, just not grounded on it

[blissful furnace]

no its just a canon hole because it would be too cpu intensive to have a 16 man team clear stuff, so they just put it to 4 ais and an idiot commanding them. But most people play this game exactly because of realism

you can literally queue up with a 16 man team, i've seen tiktoks of it, you just need the manpower

[unborn echo]

the only thing that is even remotely realistic about this game is room clearing and cqb theories tbh

theories, not real practice

[blissful furnace]

the game is just too forgiving

[unborn echo]

and hard mode is just bullshittery

we need a game mode thats inbetween hard and standard

[blissful furnace]

nah hard isn't that hard

i specifically grabbed a mod to get even harder difficulties

[unborn echo]

its not THAT hard sure, but its full of bullshittery

[blissful furnace]

the only thing i've noticed is getting shot trough semi transparent stuff

like a window of a car but its so tinted you cannot look trough yourself but they can see you

[unborn echo]

also playing on hard mode with ai swat is just masochism

it feels a little better when you play it with a teammate that actually teamworks with you tho

[latent crescent]

hard mode is not that bad bru

[unborn echo]

It is that bad bru

[blissful furnace]

its not

[unborn echo]

sure

[blissful furnace]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

and the only issue with the hardest difficulties on this mod is that you need to conserve ammo

[unborn echo]

i've tried SOME ai mods, i honestly dont even feel any differences compared to the base ais, for example ready or not here i come ai mod, or swat and suspect ai overhaul, jug's gameplay

however i actually enjoyed realistic fear overhaul and immersion improved, only because it directly modifies the enemy's damage, not because the ai is better or anything

[blissful furnace]

I just want the AI thinking less like a static enemy and more like a moving person

[unborn echo]

true, sometimes they just keep walking at you even when getting shot at

not from like super close or anything, even far away

[blissful furnace]

i want them to flank and flank

i want to die 500 times before getting it done

[potent oak]

Is there a way to turn off the zoom that happens when turning on night vision?

🤔

[unborn echo]

most maps arent a circle so, even if they want to its hard, they DO flank tho, if you left a previous area unchecked, but calling it a flank would be an overstatement because its just enemy punishing you for your own mistake rather than actively flanking

from what i have experienced they do try to flank just not often and not too good at it

[blissful furnace]

they seem to be stuck in the zone they spawn in, other than the roamers

[blissful furnace]

theres barely any flanking on ides of march and that makes no sense when those dudes are veterans + theres so much doors to come from behind

[latent crescent]

nah i did some dlc map and neon tomb on it

tbf on multiplayer its 69x easier so yeah

[surreal pelican]

I second this

Neon tomb is hell on hard mode

[latent crescent]

solo for sure but i just joined a random lobby and blitzed through it

[blissful furnace]

whats the thing with nobody being able to play hard mode

[latent crescent]

greased palms hard mode is ass tho they can aimbot with a pistol across the map

[surreal pelican]

I have team ai and it's still hell for me, particularly maybe because I don't have nades for myself and ai

[latent crescent]

well no shit cqb is hard then

get grenades

[surreal pelican]

Gotta swap the heavy for light then

[latent crescent]

not even

[surreal pelican]

The AI suddenly gets a whiff of 213 Park Homes product and they suddenly become seal team six operators

[surreal pelican]

?

[blissful furnace]

are you using cover properly?

[latent crescent]

just carry grenades bro

u have 11 slots what could u be possibly carrying that isnt a grenade or a grenade launcher

[surreal pelican]

I don't bring nades if I run heavy flash grenade

[blissful furnace]

mags mags and mags

[surreal pelican]

Yea, just that sometimes I can't see where they're shooting from

[blissful furnace]

i rarely even use grenades

[latent crescent]

that comes from practice i still suck at that

[latent crescent]

nah im throwing a nade at every dead space

[surreal pelican]

I'm thinking of just bringing lethal atp and letting my bots and myself using either .300 blk or 7.62x39 JHP

[latent crescent]

no

[torpid onyx]

how do you even manage to fail to have any nades when you have between 55 and 65 slots

[surreal pelican]

Door wedges and primary ammo for the mgl

[torpid onyx]

so you do have nades

the rotary launcher

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[blissful furnace]

WHAT DO YOU NEED DOOR WEDGES FOR

i didn't use them a single time

[surreal pelican]

So they don't flank and bite my ass halfway through?

[torpid onyx]

also how do you struggle with the flash launcher it's literally the most busted gun in the game

[blissful furnace]

if they can flank you you are playing with a skill issue bro

[torpid onyx]

and plus the flash launcher is grenades but it's technically better because you don't have a delay to throw it and wait for the boom

[blissful furnace]

what map even is that

[surreal pelican]

It worked well on Ironman standard, maybe it's just me not being used to hard mode, it's my first attempt at it

[surreal pelican]

I was playing on neon tomb earlier

[torpid onyx]

they're pretty useful for some maps

[surreal pelican]

I second this too

Reusable and can't go wrong with blocking off flank routes

[torpid onyx]

plus if you're not using the flash launcher and arnt taking 13 ammo for it then with swat ai you easily have enough space for like 6 sets of wedges with no worries

[blissful furnace]

neon tomb is literally so easy

the hardest part is trying to find everyone after you resolve it

[surreal pelican]

I just carry 2 on myself and for my squad

[unborn echo]

if only wedges could stop you from being shot through the cardboard boxes in greased palms

[blissful furnace]

what even is yalls loadout

[torpid onyx]

cos like 4 primary mags for your ai, one has like 7 flashbangs, one has like 7 c2, one has a bunch of wedges and you've already run out of equipment to give you team and might as well just stack more

and now suddenly your team has 15 flash bangs and 15 wedges and 15 c2 cos those are the only useful equipment to give your swat team members
(cos they can't use lockpick guns, pepper spray, I don't think they can use tasers nor would it be very useful,

[unborn echo]

12 mag and a lockpick gun

[surreal pelican]

Might try this out, 1 AI brings 1 max load of tacticals, since I always keep my AI together

[blissful furnace]

Primary - MK17
Pistol - FIVESEVEN
Long Tactical - MIRRORGUN

Light armor vest, ceramic, front + back coverage, 4 ap primary, 3 ap for pistol, 2 flashbangs, 1 stinger, 1cs, 1 wedge and 1 flashbang

this is my loadout

[torpid onyx]

ew mk17

[blissful furnace]

mk17 is peak wym

[torpid onyx]

ga51 is just better

[blissful furnace]

thats why you find hard difficulty hard

[torpid onyx]

smaller frame shorter barrel less height over bore

[torpid onyx]

I mean most of the time I just end up using the dm4, mp7, p90, or a miscellaneous 223 rifle like the f90, hk416 or what not

I usually don't take 308 and if I do then I'll use the ga51

[blissful furnace]

i mean most of the time using submachine guns is nerfing yourself

[torpid onyx]

nah I can hug walls and free lean easier

full auto p90 or mp7 does work easily

[unborn echo]

how so? ga51 is literally just better

[surreal pelican]

This is for lethal right? Just to confirm

[torpid onyx]

yeah

[surreal pelican]

Thanks, I'll try it tomorrow

[torpid onyx]

you could use it for non lethal though just use pepperballs

[surreal pelican]

For my non lethal I just invest all in flash grenades

o yea the pepperball rifle

[blissful furnace]

yeah no

[torpid onyx]

but if you have the m32a1 that's kinda just free though it's the best weapon in the game

[unborn echo]

wdym no? give me one reason

[blissful furnace]

the mk17 is way more powerful

[unborn echo]

no? they do the exact same damage

[torpid onyx]

(the ga51 is a 7.61x51/308 rifle)

[surreal pelican]

So don't max out primary ammo for the M32A1 for max different tacticals for myself and AI?

[blissful furnace]

i like the mk17 so it must be better

[torpid onyx]

the ga51 is better because you can slap the charging handle like an mp5

that is irrefutable evidance it's better

[blissful furnace]

the mk17 is cooler

[torpid onyx]

nuhuh

[unborn echo]

cap, ga51/g3a3 is cooler

[blissful furnace]

the mk17 is bigger, and its yellow

• it is the best AR in fortnite

[torpid onyx]

you must be compensating for something

[unborn echo]

rare instances of yellow being bigger than black

[blissful furnace]

yellow is cool

[torpid onyx]

nah it's mid

[blissful furnace]

• it feels much better to shoot it

[torpid onyx]

the Devs need to give me a full black five seven/509

[surreal pelican]

?

[unborn echo]

the mk17 makes my screen look like its actually vibrating

[blissful furnace]

the ga51 is just the underfed mk17s little brother

@half mantle strategoai

[latent crescent]

i agree

u win

[blissful furnace]

thats the reason you never play hard

[latent crescent]

i literally just played hard

that and i acc prefer the mk17 anyway

but the charging handle is unbeatable

slow but unbeatable

is there an iranian embassy mod in this game?

[blissful furnace]

skill issue. your screen cannot handle the heat my friend

[latent crescent]

use the 4x

[surreal pelican]

Wait you finished every base game on hard right?

[blissful furnace]

yes, never played on standard since hard came out

[latent crescent]

just why tho

[unborn echo]

the slr47 is better than mk17 because its an ak

[blissful furnace]

standard is too easy

[latent crescent]

carry me

[surreal pelican]

Then why does your steam achievement says you only completed 4 out of the 18 base missions on hard?

[latent crescent]

😭🙏

[blissful furnace]

good question, my progress got wiped for some reason

[surreal pelican]

You're 39 hours in

[blissful furnace]

i recall completing sins of the father multiple times yet it says i never completed it

[blissful furnace]

and its 5 missions

[blissful furnace]

is there a problem with that?

[surreal pelican]

You said hard mode is easy but your steam achievement says you only have finished base game hard missions on only 4 missions

I'm 31 hours in and my progress didn't get wiped nor did the achievement system fail to register a completed mission unless I somehow got it to below C

[blissful furnace]

the other missions are on standard because i beat every mission pre 1.0 (or whatever the console update was called), then i redownloaded it, saw my progress was wiped played the first 5 missions, got bored and went MODDED

you cannot get achievements for beating the map if its modded

[surreal pelican]

But if you beat the game pre 1.0, then shouldn't your steam achievements reflect it? As far as I'm aware if you didn't do modded runs before 1.0 then the achievement should still be there

[blissful furnace]

there was significantly less achievements before 1.0

[unborn echo]

1.0 update was like 2 years ago

[blissful furnace]

i said the console update

[unborn echo]

console update is very recent

[blissful furnace]

in the brackets, i don't know what update number it is cause i literally don't care

[surreal pelican]

My guy I think you're just lying atp

[blissful furnace]

you are free to think what you want

i don't care about your opinion

[surreal pelican]

"Hard mode easy" when you didn't even S rank the base game missions

[blissful furnace]

it is easy though

im just lazy to follow trough

[surreal pelican]

Then why not go complete the remaining hard modem missions that you have?

[blissful furnace]

cause im lazy and i got school?

[surreal pelican]

Unmodded? Since you claim the base game hard mode is easy

[velvet urchin]

anyone want to s rank 3 letter triad with me?

[blissful furnace]

whats the purpose of putting a trap behind a door leading to a closet

thankfully i defused it

[normal nest]

Least based Kateo moment

[blissful furnace]

then why don't you play casual if standard is too easy for you

[surreal pelican]

Because standard gets me the achievements

[blissful furnace]

you care about them i don't

[clear bison]

real

[blissful furnace]

i care about finishing the mission with drip

and on a harder difficulty

or modded

[queen gyro]

guys, does the ballistic mask give protection? or only the gas mask

[jolly verge]

Gas mask does not give you any protection

Ballistic mask is just a better standart helmet option

[queen gyro]

so, none gives protection?

cuz when I equip the gas mask, It shows the armor thing

[jolly verge]

Ballistic mask > standart helmet

[queen gyro]

ok

[jolly verge]

More durability and higher richochet chance

[queen gyro]

sure, thanks

[clear bison]

freakbob?

[clear bison]

real

[red kayak]

yes

[maiden parcel]

Whats the best gun for the hospital misson?

[unborn echo]

elian

[red kayak]

me?

why am i the best gun for the hospital mission

[unborn echo]

the sheer amount of tom foolery you commits can stop any scallywags from doing evil

[velvet urchin]

anyone want to s rank a mission with me?

[cloud rampart]

is there a way to change the zoom level for 1-4x scope and 1-12x scope?

[unborn echo]

nop

[jolly verge]

.300blk or 7.62x39 caliber with JHP ammo

[velvet urchin]

press p

[jade sparrow]

Just found out you get 2 wedges per every inventory slot you assign to wedge

More simply, if you add one wedge to your inventory that gets you 2 wedges

[quasi coral]

Any short barreled gun should do the trick

SMG's work here as well, if I had to say, MP7 or the LVAR(I would've said GA416 for cool points but honestly that extra firerate won't do you much good..)

[torpid onyx]

p90 rahhhh

I wish the p90 didn't have so much horizontal recoil compared to every other gun in the game

but it short and it 5.7 so I tolerate it

also I mean if you want the shortest rifle (especially 300blk then the unsupressed dm4 is right there)

I wish you could put a brake on the dm4 but it's muzzle isn't designed to accept one

[quasi coral]

Unfortunately, welp

The P90 serves well I'll give it that

[jovial lake]

what does the game mean by
doorway...
other door...

[unborn echo]

meaning you're looking at 2 door or entrance at the same time

the first doorway means the closest to you

other door means, well the other door

[red kayak]

i dont understand that

pls eexplain

[unborn echo]

meaning elian is awesome and will beat all evil doers

[void steppe]

Do you have any information about the new patch?

[unborn echo]

which

[jovial lake]

thx this was confusing me for a while

[cloud rampart]

ty

[ivory kiln]

why are smgs semi auto by default

[crystal pelican]

idk

[tired jungle]

Consistency?

[toxic harness]

would you dare mag dump?

[ivory kiln]

Yeh,Cuz that's how most players use them

go full auto,otherwise it's just a large pistol

[crystal pelican]

yes

[digital oriole]

Always

[toxic harness]

Do you like hurting other people?

[digital oriole]

Always

I love it when kids get hurt it’s too funny

[toxic harness]

Richard would like to speak to you

[latent crescent]

i love police brutality

[latent crescent]

man this fucking party stinks

[velvet urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-the-land-shark-jeff-marvel-rivals-absolute-cinema-gif-13695558822116321078

[latent crescent]

discord broken

[tardy mesa]

Hi I’m playing on Ps5 i completed iron man mode without losing a single officer. I have received the ,,hermit” trophy on PlayStation but I haven’t received a watch cosmetic in the game. Anyone have a clue what might be the problem?

[jolly verge]

One of your officer resigned

[latent crescent]

broken

or what aspid said

[tardy mesa]

Then how come I got the trophy not the watch

It’s the same description

[jolly verge]

Different requirements

[jolly verge]

Correct, the only problem is that most of descriptions in game are wrong

[tardy mesa]

Oh man no way it literally says the same on trophy and on the watch. Do they think I’m a some kind of seer

[latent crescent]

enjoy completing ironman again 😭

[tardy mesa]

Fucking hell

[jolly verge]

Since you got The Hermit you can redo ironman on casual difficulty to get the watch

[latent crescent]

still gonna take another 3 hours 😭

[tardy mesa]

Of course I can but can my sanity endure it

[latent crescent]

i can assure u Casual mode is like playing Call of Duty on Recruit

[jolly verge]

Especially with M32A1 and op traits

[latent crescent]

i know because i accidentally ran Elephant and Rust Belt on Casual

its like the AI forgot how to shoot their weapon

[tardy mesa]

Wait

You can play ironmode on casual?

[green birch]

yup

[jolly verge]

For the watch only

[latent crescent]

judge on his way to not get fazed by anything he's done throughout the god knows how many missions he's done

[tardy mesa]

That means I have to do greased palms again… but luckily at least I can play on casual

[latent crescent]

greased hell

im not looking forward to completing that on Hard mode

[dire bone]

guys does anyone have a good loadout with smg?

[latent crescent]

mainly personal preference, what are you trying to achieve?

[blissful furnace]

Just grab mk17

[dire bone]

a fun time hahahaha

[blissful furnace]

No fun with smgs bud

[dire bone]

why not

[blissful furnace]

My guess is you are gonna need alot of mags

[blissful furnace]

Btw the mod is strategoai

[latent crescent]

P90 full auto

[latent crescent]

tysm, will note down

[jolly verge]

You will be able to play most of missions with MP7 and P90 using AP ammo, as for other pistol calibers they will struggle against level 3 armor

[latent crescent]

full auto

mow those pricks down

[blissful furnace]

The bloodbath difficulty is really fun. I emptied 4 mags on my battle rifle and 3 mags on my pistol and still had enemies left

[latent crescent]

there is no room for terrorists

[latent crescent]

how miserable is the real life difficulty

[blissful furnace]

Theres less enemies but i think the difficulty is harder

No terminator eyes i think

[latent crescent]

ok so they dont aimbot you at least

but u'll be out of the fight with 2-3 bullets

[blissful furnace]

I think so I mainly play the firefight and bloodbath mode

[latent crescent]

firefight is just no civs no TOC just pure CQB right?

[blissful furnace]

No

Its more enemies than bloodbath but they are dumber so the fights last longer

[latent crescent]

oh i see

i need to complete the whole game on hard or S rank without mods before i slap some in

(apart from gunfighter mod, thats almost a must)

[stone bay]

Do suspects have infinite ammo?

[lucid shard]

Hello

Looking for one more for Srank please.

[latent crescent]

no

[glass heart]

suspects do not, swat ai DOES

give them just one mag and they magically pull more ammo out of their ass

[stone bay]

Wait really?

[dire bone]

Guys quick question can i deguse a trap from the other side of the door?

[static ether]

Yes you can disarm the trap from either side. You gotta peek the door if you’re on the opposite end to disarm it.

[dire bone]

If i peek it wont go off?

[static ether]

Nope as long as you don’t slam the door open you’ll be fine peeking it

I’ve made it a habit to peek every door

[outer belfry]

why does RoN look so trash on epic graphics settings

Do they not have Ray Tracing capabilities built in or something

[static ether]

Man idk I don’t mind it too much tbh

[outer belfry]

And why am I so slow

I got the game yesterday

didnt think my character would move like a turtle

[static ether]

Tbf it’s a tactical shooter

You can hit the space bar and move faster

[outer belfry]

yea like 10% faster

[static ether]

But it’s a brisk walk

[outer belfry]

other than that I like the game

Just didnt hold up with its promises

[static ether]

What promise?

[outer belfry]

hold on

Well alot changed since the censorship update came out

Its basically a kid friendly shooter

[static ether]

That’s a bit hyperbolic

It’s still pretty dark with levels like neon tomb, relapse, valley of the dolls etc

[outer belfry]

sure

Havent played those missions yet I think

[static ether]

The game is still pretty dark when it comes to its topics even with the censorship

Mind you I don’t like censorship and I don’t like that they censored it but it’s still a great game still does a great job with covering the dark topics

[crude prism]

me when I lie about easily verifiable information for no reason

[stable kernel]

It has multiple minors in it, it deals with topics regarding minors, you can play it with friends or make new ones, and it is a shooter

So call that what you may

[static ether]

Like I said still a dark game even with the changes

Great game too I can’t get enough of

[outer belfry]

Its not dark enough

[static ether]

Bruh

[chilly thorn]

I can't really say that, even though the game isn't that gory or anything (it's never been), The Voice Acting sells the brutality well enough. The overall themes as well even though I don't think this game does every theme they try to tackle very well seperate it from most shooters.

[static ether]

Legit listen to the 911 calls they’re brutal

[torpid crypt]

we got bigger problems, why da hell doesn't this game have leg holsters bruh :((

[chilly thorn]

I would say this game is about as dark as it needs to be. My main problem is that the game feels like its trying to say something but it's really saying nothing if that makes sense.

[static ether]

I mean you could say it’s just bringing to light the topics and themes it’s bringing up showing how brutal it can be

[chilly thorn]

I'm more talking about the voice acting for the suspects. As in mainly the sounds of them dying are usually really well done and can geniunely feel horrific. Even if a lot of the accents are exaggerated and their non-pain based lines can be pretty funny. (most los locos suspects having rather comical accents for example)

[static ether]

Yeah it’s always pretty funny hearing them talk and insult you as you move through the level

[chilly thorn]

"AY FUCK YOU GUYS!" after watching their buddy get shot

I would like to see this game dive heavily into more full-on horror more maps like Twisted Nerve and Rust Belt please (even if rust belt needs to be darker)

[static ether]

Imagine busting a serial killer or a murder cult and its more ambushed based with them using knives more

In a more claustrophobic environment

[chilly thorn]

Need a cult map in this game the current one is REALLY shit (not just layout wise story wise as well)

The whole "Sterotypical Feminism Cult" thing just feels really stupid and absurd. Carriers was so close to getting it right but missed the mark with the actual cultist themselves.

[blissful furnace]

Any mod in ron to make the swat jacked af

These guys should have a 15 inch arm minimum

[chilly thorn]

Most swat dudes I just normal people with lots of tactical training

[blissful furnace]

No

A normal dude would gas out 3 minutes in the op

• normal dudes don't do this type of work its for the hardcore ones

[glass heart]

most high speed guys look like fit but normal dudes

yes, some (in some cases a large percentage) take gear and partake in hypertrophic strength training

but most do not

[digital oriole]

Was very addicted to the game when I first got it

[glass heart]

a sprint would be a nice tactical tool to have

yes it should have consequences so it has to be used properly

[static ether]

I’m fine with no sprinting tbh

[glass heart]

in active shooter scenarios it would be very useful

[chilly thorn]

You move fast enough with lowered weapon

[glass heart]

yeah low ready is good enough for most situations

i already bound it to shift and use it a ton

but for those situations where you need more, you should be able to have it

[static ether]

I agree especially in buildings the speed is fast enough

[chilly thorn]

Sprinting would ruin the balance+ it would let you run past an open door because they probably wouldn't be able to hit you while sprinting

[glass heart]

you can already do some pretty stupid cqb and get away with it

i dont think sprinting would make it worse

[chilly thorn]

what stupid cqb can you get away with, other than tanking to many hits because you get lucky.

[glass heart]

ignoring open doorways, soloing center fed rooms

in most cases you will be fine if you practice a tiny bit of situational awareness

[chilly thorn]

thats why they need to make suspects more dangerous but people will always complain that they are "too busted" when they do that

[glass heart]

if that happens 5 man elements wouldnt be enough

[chilly thorn]

its enough for the game.

[glass heart]

more operators and more lethal suspects is something i could absolutely get behind

[glass heart]

with the current balance between suspect and swat ai capability i agree that it is

if suspects became significantly more dangerous, i dont think it would be

[chilly thorn]

Suspects are too easy imo currently but not because of their accuraracy or anything

[glass heart]

reactivity imo

[chilly thorn]

I want suspects to be more unpredictable with LOADS more animations

its so easy to tell when a suspect is faking a surrender

[glass heart]

they could take a page out of real incidents of fake surrender

i saw one where the suspect had one hand in the air, the other was concealing a weapon and he fired at the officer very quickly

[chilly thorn]

For example, I want to flashbang a suspect just for him to just start blindly firing everywhere and he hits a civilian. I want to get punished for putting too much faith into a flashbang.

[glass heart]

that one would be a lot harder to react against vs them standing up and then raising their rifle

[chilly thorn]

why don't suspects ever try hiding weapons behind their backs yeah

[glass heart]

or even peeking a threshold with only their head

so you cant TELL they have a gun

blasting them could risk them being a civ

[chilly thorn]

I find it absurd that a game all about getting people to surrender only has about 5 or 6 surrender animations

[glass heart]

also the suspects in most missions look nothing alike the civilians

so iff 90% of the time is absurdly easy

[chilly thorn]

Also I just hate how you can see the weapons on a suspect, like rifles make sense. but concealing a pistol is 100% possible and its better to have it just not be their than floating in a invisible holster

[chilly thorn]

The Relapse doctors have different models then the actual doctors as well. Completely ruining the point.

[glass heart]

it is offputting to just see a five seven floating on a guys hip lmao

[glass heart]

you can also tell who is who because of the arabic accent

which yeah, its fair but still makes iff easy

[chilly thorn]

They should have just made them not speak

[glass heart]

thats ALSO a consideration

suspects give away their position a LOT

[chilly thorn]

suspects will ALWAYS talk its annoying

[glass heart]

yelling for compliance is stupidly good at drawing them out

[chilly thorn]

if they hear you yell they will ALWAYS react its insanely dumb

[glass heart]

i would like for more disciplined/ trained suspects to keep quiet

while gangsters/ tweakers yell back

[chilly thorn]

suspect ai is fundamentaly flawed imo and it needs a big overhaul

same with civvies, It's mainly the animations for me

not only are they super easy to read it looks super jank

[glass heart]

what would be cool is more unpredictable anims (for EVERYONE) and the civilian skin and voices for suspects as an optional preset for more maps

it kind of already applies to stuff like twisted nerve, relapse and carriers of the vine

[chilly thorn]

I want more visible differences in the way suspects act, Crackheads should be shaky and contanstly paranoid looking, Trained Suspects like the terrorist or especially the PMC guys in the dlc should act more professional.

Imagine seeing a gangster suspect frantically put his gun down in fear as a professional cockily lowers their weapon slowly, It would just be way more immersive.

maybe having them change their behaviors in animations if they were caught off gaurd compared to hesistating.

this may be insanely hard to code though. But I can dream.

[glass heart]

i dont know how coding on the level of a game works exactly but i wouldnt think it would be that difficult

different groups of animations for different suspect states and types would be moreso time consuming to implement than difficult

[chilly thorn]

I compare the way suspects are animated in this game to half life 2 npcs. Its oddly accurate they even telepathically open doors the same way.

The Swat 4 Suspects were animated better in some cases lol

They would actually have animations for opening doors it even changed depending on the door (push or pull)

[glass heart]

also from my extensive experience in that game they are a lot more reasonable

it feels like they are actual people who really dont want to die

fake surrenders are substantially more uncommon

even among the highly trained ones

while RON ai feels like its begging for the great beyond

[chilly thorn]

Fake surrenders actually didn't happen in swat 4 only in the Stchetkov syndicate

[glass heart]

oh ic i didnt know that, but i only played vanilla tss and then sef (and derivatives of sef, which are all based on tss)

[chilly thorn]

I understand a lot of the ready or not suspects being a lil more jumpy as a lot of the scenerios in RoN are dealing with some people who are 100% off their rocker and a lot where death would probably be the easy way out

(Neon Tomb suspects and Port Suspects for example)

[pliant frost]

Anybody know a cool helmet with police/SWAT badges?

[chilly thorn]

but maps like the gas station and the los locos missions, those suspects are way to suicidal for ordinary gangsters

[weak python]

the way i rationalized it was that those people were gromed since early childhood to become gangbangers and to hate the law

[chilly thorn]

Thats downright unrealistic, some people have bad upbringings (most likely drug-abuse or living in poverty) and hate law enforcement. But the way the suspects act in RoN are downright suicidal. Even a scared teenager isn't dumb enough to try and pull a gun on 5 swat members when they are looking at them. if your just a lone officer and you turn his back to him I guess. But 90% of the time the suspects just pull a gun right infront of you.

[glass heart]

yes but gangbangers arent trained

they are still civilians who are afraid of dying

most real criminals lay down and quit when swat even shows up

obviously this cant happen in game or its not a game

BUT untrained opposition should be a little less suicidal

[chilly thorn]

Suspects shouldn't be 100% realistic but they shouldn't act stupid, fake surrenders should be something the AI takes advantage to catch someone not paying attention off gaurd. But they happen so commonly that you are basically trained to recognize "Oh that animation is the fake one".

This could be solved by having the fake surrenders look identical to the non-fake surrenders. Again thats why I want more animations.

[haughty oriole]

I never got in the valley of the dolls basement on my own, the mission was over I was looking for proof and went to the basement and man I never realized how eerie that red room is

I actually had chills after a very long time

Maybe cause I was on my own the feeling is different idk

When you have 4 other people backing you up you don't really feel it that much

[weak python]

i dont know man im grasping for something here

[gentle pumice]

how do i invtie my freind to my lobby hes on steam im on epic games

[peak gale]

Anyone need any help?

[peak gale]

Have you linked your Epic Games acct with Steam? And have they linked their Steam to Epic Games?

[ivory kiln]

I think my judge is on some type of crack with how badly he gets shot to shit in every single mission

[stiff bronze]

He off that USIA pack

[fluid scarab]

Is there a new DLC coming any time soon?

[vast garden]

should be later on

[wraith gale]

3-4 months from now most likely

[frail laurel]

ready or not players waiting patiently to pay $10 for 3 maps

[unborn echo]

thats what i been saying

[winter tusk]

how tf r u playing ron for 5hrs

[fluid scarab]

High speed, low drag. :)

[winter tusk]

basically u did blow?

[fluid scarab]

Ahh, no. Ive been playing the whole time with my group haha. We've been running through everything with people rotating in and out.

[winter tusk]

my adhd could nvr

[fluid scarab]

My autism definitely can

[cloud tree]

Idk why I’m so good with the 870CQB

[rustic jasper]

How do I get quad nods? I downloaded the mod but it won’t work

[unborn echo]

quad nods is in the base game tho

[rustic jasper]

Where do I find them I only see regular nods

And a single

[unborn echo]

loadout then headwear

[torpid onyx]

b1301 and supernova mogs

[torpid onyx]

they're called like gpnvg or smth

[torpid onyx]

m1014 would be good if it didn't kick like an elephant

[elder rivet]

To be fair, I'd pay $10 for three maps. I'd rather have that than nothing. Given how some games go and the hours of laughs me and my mates get out of it. Fuck it, $10 for 3 maps would be welcome, when can we get them?

[surreal sorrel]

are they called nods cuz you nod to equip them

[unborn echo]

next year if we are lucky

[naive urchin]

Anybody knows the differences between the flash bang and the tactical flash when breaching

[frail laurel]

more of a critique of triple A titles as a whole tbh. pay like 60 bucks for a base game

then like an extra 10 bucks for not that much real addition

[frail laurel]

u mean the launcher?

[naive urchin]

Yes

[frail laurel]

the AI dont tend to throw flashes very deep into a room. The flash launcher is good for getting that flash (in theory) to a more central location. particularly in large rooms, like the big open cave on rust belt, or the package sorting warehouse on greased palms, where u wanna maximize the effect

i like to use open and clear with leader tho. you get to decide where that flash goes

[surreal pelican]

What's the grade requirement for the hard mode achievement?

[frail laurel]

just resolve it. its pretty forgiving

[surreal pelican]

Good to know, I lost all of my officers who was with me from day 1 after attempting hide and seek hard..

Perps ended up getting 7.62 AP in return

[elder rivet]

Fair, I know what you mean

[jolly verge]

C grade on Port Hokan, other missions can be done with F

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

[surreal pelican]

I got a E for Rust Belt and it didn't count

Guess imma restart jt

[jolly verge]

Wait, you meant hard difficulty, if so then you do need higher grades on missions

[surreal pelican]

What's the minimum grade for hard?

Ive been getting Bs and As and lowest was C iirc

[jolly verge]

That I don't know

[surreal pelican]

And it was all counted till rust belt, my 10th

Ah shit

Imma just take a break for the day after this and continue the other 8 next weekend

[bitter mason]

I didn't think there was a minimum you had to get

[jolly verge]

C grade require for some achievements to trigger, so it is probably the minimum grade you need

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

Damn I hate rust belt

I'm using the G3A3 with AP, no mercy for them

They killed so many of my officers especially those who were my first ones

[blissful furnace]

this game is so fun

i hear "f you" and then he shoots me in the head

and i die from the first shot which is imo more fun than tanking 30 before going down

[jolly verge]

You don't need AP for the most missions in game

[blissful furnace]

better than expanding ones, you can incapitate suspects more likely but idk if it gives you more scorer

[surreal pelican]

Got it, I just brought it along with me since neon tomb

I give up for rust belt, I'll continue the other 9 next weekend

My ai is refusing to cooperate with my commands esp on rust belt

[surreal pelican]

Same score but you can achieve better results for incapping targets like the fisa agent

[blissful furnace]

yeah thats what I mean, you get cut some slack if you get unreasonable force

[jolly verge]

Not it's not better and incapacitated suspects gives you the same score as killed one

[blissful furnace]

well I didn't know, but still good to have ap

[surreal pelican]

I'll give jhp a shot for rust belt next weekend, them los locos mf are getting on my nerves

[jolly verge]

You need AP only on 3 missions in whole game, assuming that you use caliber rifle (not 5.56)

[blissful furnace]

AP will let you wallbang tho, not so much for JHP

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[blissful furnace]

AP on mk17 is peak

[surreal pelican]

I'm using the G3A3 atm for the hard clear;

I've completed thank you come again, 23 megabytes, twisted nerve, lethal obsession, neon tomb, hide and seek, valley of the dolls and I forgot the other one

[blissful furnace]

i mean just go with what you like

[jolly verge]

GA51 is better, shorter barrel

[blissful furnace]

not like ready or not is a competition that requires you to go meta pick every game

the meta pick is enjoying the game with the stuff you like to do

[unborn echo]

i enjoy using the best stuff

[blissful furnace]

good for you ig

[surreal pelican]

Will use it next weekend, I give up now lol

What missions do I need AP?

[unborn echo]

all of em, cuz why the helly not, most of the time ap and jhp have the same breakpoint to down a suspect

only very FEW exception

[jolly verge]

Elephant, Sins of the Father and Leviathan

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

[surreal pelican]

AP has lower artery bleed chance too iirc

[jolly verge]

Also since you on hard mode 7.62x51 is useless

[surreal pelican]

Which ammo type do you recommend?

[jolly verge]

.300 or 7.62x39

JHP

[unborn echo]

5.56 if you want the lowest recoil rifles, other than that just use arn-180

[surreal pelican]

Thanks

[surreal pelican]

I just wanna kill and incapacite all the hard mode mfs, fuck taking them alive

[unborn echo]

real

[surreal pelican]

How come? Curious since isn't it the biggest calibre in-game?

[surreal pelican]

Dude you have no idea how many times I kept restarting hide and seek 😭

Greased palms was easier than hide and seek too wtf

[unborn echo]

it is, but 7.62x51 has the same breakpoint to down suspect as smaller rifle caliber cuz balancing ig

[jolly verge]

It's does not oneshot on hard difficulty

[surreal pelican]

Oh

I'll bring either 300 or x39 variant next weekend

I give up lol, hide and seek (somehow I finished it) and rust belt gave me headache

[unborn echo]

wouldnt recommend using anything other than the arn180 cuz they have a bunch of recoil

less followup shots

[surreal pelican]

If it still kills the mfs, I'll take whatever

Hard mode is the equivalent to payday 2's DSOD

I'm curious tho, is the team AI always usually uncooperative in rust belt?

Like I ask them to clear the room but all they do is shuffle and stay idle at the doorway

Even sometimes when I kill or incap a perp, the restrain command icon doesn't appear and I have to use the restrain team command to get my ai to restrain them

[unborn echo]

trying resetting their behavior by doing fall in

[surreal pelican]

I've done that and they still do the same thing 😭

[surreal pelican]

How can I not let them die when they refuse to coop

[unborn echo]

if open doesnt work try breach

[surreal pelican]

Same thing too 😂

All they do is breach and THEN SOMEHOW STAY IDLE

[jolly verge]

Yo don't need restrain dead/incapacitated suspects, unless it's a HVT target

[unborn echo]

might as well just let them follow behind you and you clear the rest

[surreal pelican]

This only happened to me in rust belt so far

[surreal pelican]

I got a E grade for my previous rust belt hard run, I don't know if it's because I didn't restrain them or not

[unborn echo]

i honestly dont trust my ais with clearing a room, they always die

[surreal pelican]

I don't have a shield, they all have it

[unborn echo]

you dont need a shield, just go slowly

[surreal pelican]

I bring the wand while my AI gets the shield with 3 mags of 57 pistol and the rest goes for their primary

[surreal pelican]

I still died while my ai stood there watching me die 😭

[unborn echo]

use basic cqb peek door, pie it, clear slowly from corner to corner, ais is this game sucks so dont expect cover fire

[unborn echo]

exactly

[jolly verge]

Restraining dead bodies does not give you any points, only reporting does

[surreal pelican]

I'll do the PIEing myself next weekend, my brain is fried from frustration

[surreal pelican]

Bruhhhh.. then I have no idea why my rust belt got a E, another possible reason is coz a civvie died

[unborn echo]

did you secure every evidence?

[surreal pelican]

And I may or may not have forgotten to report a dead teammate..

[surreal pelican]

I can't remember, but I secured like at least 80-90 percent of the evidence, soft objectives too

[unborn echo]

you can order your swat ai to secure any missing evidence after all main objectives are done

[wooden saddle]

I've just tried and unlocked S rating on Elephant.
It brought an unlock I cannot identify. It's called "Time's up".

What is that?

[surreal pelican]

Ye, I was already at the far end of the cave with the boat, I only told them to secure the area we was at

I'll retry rust belt next weekend, for now I'll rest and watch ron videos

[unborn echo]

the "search and secure area" once all the main objectives are done actually mean the entire map in case if you're wondering

[surreal pelican]

Ye that's why I said fuck it let them secure the cave area (since we were there by the time mission ended) and then gtfoed

[surreal pelican]

What's the most painful map for you on hard?

[surreal pelican]

It's a arm tattoo

[unborn echo]

greased palms, always

[surreal pelican]

Wtf greased palms was actually better than my current rust belt and previous hide and seek attempt

I don't know if it's luck on my end or rnjesus

[unborn echo]

rust belt is only painful on the first open area, other than that its pretty easy

[surreal pelican]

It's pain for me in the caves

[unborn echo]

hide and seek is only hard because of the sheer number of suspects

[surreal pelican]

The warehouse entrance area...

[wooden saddle]

Ah yes, thanks!

[unborn echo]

i honestly havent even tried completing greased palms on hard, too much work

[surreal pelican]

From my experience,

The beginning area that has the second spider container, that's the area that got one of my AI repeatedly killed

[wooden saddle]

I find the horror house (not intended but effectively) on that map very intersting to assault repeatedly.
The hose. 🙀

[unborn echo]

playing ANY mission on hard with swat ai is just submitting yourself to torture

[surreal pelican]

Coz somehow the fucking perps was shooting UNDER the blocked off section on the right (the crane carrying the container blocking off the path on the right. It's the area that leads to both left and right paths after the beginning(

[surreal pelican]

I sold my soul with the ai

[unborn echo]

i'd rather clear hard mode solo than using swat ai tbh

[surreal pelican]

Goodluck officer

[unborn echo]

the horror house? the last section inside those containers?

[surreal pelican]

I still haven't got the two dlcs yet so I'm just chasing after the achievements like I'm too old for this

[vestal badge]

hard mode solo wasnt that bad

[surreal pelican]

The one with the masked rubber man inside

[wooden saddle]

Yeah, with manneqins and stuff.

[unborn echo]

yeah its pretty good level design if i have to be honest i wish theres a dedicated map with that same claustrophobic style

[surreal pelican]

We need more lore/missions regarding FISA and maybe the USIA in the future

I really would like a mission where we face FISA as the main enemy

[unborn echo]

actually we have ides of march and sins of the father, i kinda forgot

[wooden saddle]

It's called backrooms. 😼

[surreal pelican]

I like ides of march, sins of the father nah

[unborn echo]

the feds dont want, and dont need us to know about their schemes its likely never going to happen, i mean after all Los Suenos swat is only a local police agency

[surreal pelican]

And yet they can send us out onto the oil rig

[wooden saddle]

Oh, I like the oil rig level in dark waters.

[surreal pelican]

5 man team too

[unborn echo]

aside from narcos other dlc missions are kinda non-canon

[surreal pelican]

I haven't played it yet but I'd love to play on it soon

[surreal pelican]

Wait wha

[unborn echo]

yeh

[wooden saddle]

Well, I also like the oil rig level in Call of Duty and CS 1.3 but oh well...

I got those RoN expansions when they were at discount, really worth the money that way.

[unborn echo]

same, i got both the base game and dlcs on sale

[wooden saddle]

dark waters / home invasion

[surreal pelican]

I wanted to buy the bundle on sale but I thought I'd regret it

Coz roll back to 2 years ago when I was still relying on my igpu, it was choppy and laggy and quite unenjoyable

But now fast forward back to current day, ive been loving it

[red kayak]

😎

[teal gulch]

ok so I let all of my squad mates sit in one place while I clear the entire hotel. Somewhat, Somehow, still got stressed to their balls and proceed to therapist

HOW?

[jolly verge]

You killed every single suspect, correct?

[teal gulch]

most

clemente hotel is a hard one since only 2 suspects alive

hostages is all alive

[jolly verge]

Leaving them on spawn will only remove extra +30% stress gain for each kill as if they kill suspects instead

They still got 0.04 - 0.08 stress for every kill you did

[teal gulch]

I left them near the spawn, inside a room to hold it. Not the spawn, so…

[jolly verge]

Does not change anything what I'm said

[teal gulch]

oh… So why all of them got into crisis?

[jolly verge]

They will gain stress regardless where they are on map

[jolly verge]

☝️

[teal gulch]

understood

[jolly verge]

Take few suspects alive if you want to keep officers content

[teal gulch]

but will we ever run out of officers to hired?

[jolly verge]

Nope

[teal gulch]

now if then I should consider if I should wasted them

I’m kind of worried for their wellbeing tho, despite all are just npc

[jolly verge]

Me too, but only if they have traits I needed

[teal gulch]

lol

[chilly thorn]

if this game doesn't add a 9mm AR at somepoint imma hurt john void interact

[teal gulch]

pls add Kalashnikov family, too! I'm desperate for another officer playable AK

[chilly thorn]

Nah swat looks a lil weird holding AKs always been the bad guy weapon yknow

I'd say we need more smgs and shotguns, the rifles got enough love

Kriss vector or a Colt Smg would be nice

[torpid onyx]

the ar57 would be funny

[teal gulch]

Ah the Vector. I forgot this exist.

[chilly thorn]

peak yes

[teal gulch]

but yea, we need more smg

[torpid onyx]

also the only issue with the vector is its RPM is so high you would end up wasting 40 rounds on a single guy in half a second

[chilly thorn]

just use the burst then?

[torpid onyx]

I guess we already do that with the spc or whatever its called

[chilly thorn]

actually fuck smgs and shotguns, Add more pistols.

theres like 8 sidearms

[torpid onyx]

give us the 4.6x30 UCP concept that hk made

[teal gulch]

I dont think Kriss has burst mode. But if you are talking about control your fire then it's really hard

wait. Some model had it

[chilly thorn]

Pretty sure is has a 2 round burst on some models.

[teal gulch]

yea it is

[chilly thorn]

which is pretty cool, theres barely any burst guns in the game anyway.

[torpid onyx]

the only burst stuff is like the mp5a2

[teal gulch]

either everyone shoot until the suspects is down or one tap them using rifles

[chilly thorn]

The UMP45 has a burst too!

ump45 remains as the best gun in the game no debate

[torpid onyx]

also the Devs "could" add like a cz75 (the semi auto one) in either 9x19 or 9x21 or like a Glock 20 in 10mm

[chilly thorn]

add a old school beretta, theres already a fucking m14 a older pistol wouldn't be too absurd

the current one looks too modern for me to like it

[torpid onyx]

mfw the m9 is "too modern"

[teal gulch]

btw, yesterday I got myself a car crash. Got 3 stiches and almost fainted. Now I understand more clearly why suspects moan so hard when getting shot at.

although it's hurt, buu now is more clearly lol

[chilly thorn]

i don't care when it was made it LOOKS modern so I don't like it lol

[torpid onyx]

it's technically like one of the oldest pistols besides the 1911 and revolver and I don't even know the date for the revolver

[torpid onyx]

the 509 looks modern

[chilly thorn]

and do I use the 509? no

[torpid onyx]

the berretta is a classic (mostly) all metal pistol

[chilly thorn]

only use the pepperball because I am chill like that

[torpid onyx]

ew

the trpl is the worst weapon in the game and is ugly