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[mellow kite]

Trying to get a S rank at relapse but my teammates keep messing it up.

[jolly verge]

I did not play the game for a six months already and wont be able for another year for sure, so nope

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

Why

[jolly verge]

Shift working far away from home (4000+km)

Maybe I will do some tests on vacation

[amber dock]

You oil rig worker? Only job I can think of where you’re far away

[mellow kite]

The AI in relapse seems to be smarter

[marsh lark]

Pretty sure the AI is based on the enemy skill level, if they are terrorists they will be better than a bunch of gas station robbers

[mellow kite]

Well ides of march was easier

And those were veterans

[jolly verge]

Nah

[crisp glade]

tyty, gonna keep trying that out i guess

[amber dock]

Hmmmmmm this is tricky

maybe business?

[mellow kite]

Tips for relapse S rank?

[amber dock]

Aspid must be a astronaut then

[obsidian nymph]

Anyone down to run some valley of the dolls?

[fallen bobcat]

well...launcher and free lean

[mellow kite]

what to do against hostages being taken?

[cunning lodge]

how do you get the m32a1 on console

[amber dock]

Either reordered game or bought deluxe edition

[cunning lodge]

can you upgrade to deluxe post-purchase

[amber dock]

Until then you’ll have to wait for DLC3 which comes next year

[cunning lodge]

oh wtf

[amber dock]

Depends on what gun you running and so on. If it’s S rank then you have to stun them with flashes or stingers. If it’s lethal run then it’s a headshot

[mellow kite]

pepperbal

[mellow kite]

I said S rank soo lethal isn't an option

[amber dock]

Pepperball you can headshot

It won’t kill the suspect

[surreal merlin]

any tips for getting s ranks? i wanna start doing that, but i don't know the optimal loadouts/armor for the AI or myself. i know the beanbag shotgun is the best for judge

[amber dock]

Technically it’s the grenade launcher rotary one. Only thing you have to be extremely careful of is friendly fire points deduction.

[surreal merlin]

does difficulty matter like if you would be to play on the lowest would you not be able to achieve the S rank?

[amber dock]

But as for armour I run heavy with steel plates

Difficulty doesn’t matter for S rank per say but achievements related to S ranks you need to play Standard or higher

But cosmetics you unlock can be done on casual

[surreal merlin]

and that's for the Ai?

[amber dock]

Yeah Ai they should use the rotary launcher cause it’s cracked

[surreal merlin]

flash or gas? i know people have said gas is useless recently

[amber dock]

Flash

[twilit mulch]

Stinger

[amber dock]

If you do wanna carry grenades on your loadout then stingers are safer option. But for grenade launcher it’s flash

[surreal merlin]

do i need to issue the deploy command for them to fire it or will they just use it normally?

[amber dock]

The rotary one they will use normally since it’s a primary weapon

The launcher that you equip on tactical slot you have to tell them to use

[twilit mulch]

need to issue orders for M320 launchers

[surreal merlin]

i assume shields and the m320 are the go to long tacticals for AI?

[amber dock]

I find them to be very bad with the M320 ones. Either give them shields or breach shotty

You either use mirror gun or another launcher for more ammo

[twilit mulch]

M32A1, please

[surreal merlin]

i find mirror gun more important

[floral peak]

you can use both.

[amber dock]

In single player it is very vital since you have to know what is in the room

In multiplayer I find it more useless

Just keep in mind to also give your Ai zero pistol ammo cause otherwise they can swap to it and kill suspects with. There is the new pepperball pistol but it’s so terrible you might as well remove all ammo for it and use that extra slot for one more nade or something

[surreal merlin]

so rn they have 2 of the m320 flash launcher, one shield, and 1 breach shotgun

[amber dock]

I would say swap shield then to something else cause they way it currently works with how they use it. It’s basically not really worth it

[surreal merlin]

ram is useless i reckon

[amber dock]

Yeah

Mirror gun also is useless for Ai since I don’t trust them using it and what they see behind the door

[surreal merlin]

C2/pepper spray/taser are any of those worth it?

[amber dock]

Second 2 are worthless for Ai

C2 at best I bring like one usually for first breach door to set of the momentum and if there are many suspects behind that door in the room

Combine C2 with like flash or stinger is pretty good

[surreal merlin]

is it worth it to have pepper spray or taser on me instead of like one stinger

[amber dock]

Personally no, pepper spray is borderline useless so don’t waste one slot on it. Taser maybeeeee on some small maps can be good. But overall just reserve those slots to grenades

[surreal merlin]

okay

so heavy-steel-full coverage armor on everyone + judge?

[teal timber]

how the hell do i do greased palms S rank guys

[amber dock]

Ye

[stone bay]

not having a restart button is rtrdd. only makes sense in ironmode

[surreal merlin]

swap shield for another m320 flash launcher?

[stone bay]

considering amount of bugs u need to redo at S rank runs its just feels like intentional absence of QOL

[amber dock]

Why not, the more the better. Can never go wrong with too many flashes

[next wadi]

Personally I wish we had 9 bangers

[surreal merlin]

is the stinger one not that useful?

[amber dock]

Stinger is better for you to avoid friendly fire point deductions. Swat Ai don’t really cause that so that’s why I say bring flashes for them. But both are good options but for you you should ideally use stingers

[marsh lark]

Weren't 9 bangers in very early stages of the game, or in the game files before? Or were they always custom by mod devs

[amber dock]

They were

[marsh lark]

Oh okay then

[wind phoenix]

Welp time to suffer. Back to trying to S rank all missions

[mellow kite]

don't waste your valuable time on it

[narrow plank]

standard or hard

[mellow kite]

you don't

There is no reward for it only a stupid achievement

[narrow plank]

so there is a reward

[mellow kite]

I just downloaded a trailer gave myself godmode and didn't grind for something as stupid

[teal timber]

it’s a hobby why wouldn’t I

[mellow kite]

S rank is super stupid, a terrorist shoots at you with an AK, S rank let's pepperball him

[mellow kite]

Wasting you're time on S rank is a hobby?

[teal timber]

achievements itself is a hobby

it’s something you do that you find it fun

[mellow kite]

People who die 50 times and always ALT F4 is considered fun

[mellow kite]

stating on this you don't seem to be doing well

[narrow plank]

have you like ever challenged yourself or have you always just played life safe

[teal timber]

how old are you bro

[mellow kite]

Old enough to play this game

[teal timber]

once again how old are you,clear question

[mellow kite]

Game isn't a challange finished it in one run on ironmode

[mellow kite]

Why does it matter?

[narrow plank]

S rank triad on hard solo, there is your challenge

[mellow kite]

I don't have time for that

I challenge you to go outside and touch some grass

no need to type just play your game bro

[narrow plank]

lmao

butthurt over someone else having fun in a video game get lost

you've added nothing of value to this conversation

[mellow kite]

You've added nothing of value to everthing

[narrow plank]

no need to type just play your game bro :)

[mellow kite]

you're useless get a job

[mellow kite]

People always ALT F4 in command mode if they die

[narrow plank]

to answer your question before it got buried in dogshit:

M32 if you want the easy way

Clear the reception area and mailroom/bathrooms, push into the hallway and take a left to the truck dropoff, circle all the way around outside to where the weapon cache is, ideally you get decent spawns and get a fair amount of them maybe even the FISA dude. Dont push all the way to the loading docks, circle back to the hallway and push upstairs to the offices on the second floor. Just abuse the windows and railing to find and fight enemies from there.

[mellow kite]

So you go run greased palms with your pepperball. There is no skill involved you just have to be lucky and if you die you ALT F4 load the game back in. Just for a stupid online achievement and waste 2 3 hours of your day

[floral peak]

like with AI or completely solo

[narrow plank]

I did mine solo but had AI waiting in spawn to secure weapons because I got robbed yesterday by having a M16 fall through the floor

[floral peak]

I see, might as well try it

if i succeed, im not promising doing that on hard

[wind phoenix]

Lmao I love your name

[floral peak]

thanks

[narrow plank]

Triad on hard is easily the worst cqb experience ever, the lighting mixed with the foliage creates genuinely awful experiences

[floral peak]

Especially before patch #2, almost every single time there was enemy that glitched

therefore almost impossible to S rank

Alright, imma do your challenge

[wind phoenix]

I’m working on S ranking Rust Belt rn. So far so good. Tunnels are about halfway cleared. Everybody is injured though so we’ll see

[floral peak]

Hard or standart?

[wind phoenix]

Standard lol. Once I get S rank on all them I’ll consider myself skilled enough to try hard mode

[floral peak]

Spoiler alert: Hard Greased Palms and Hard 3 letter triad

[wind phoenix]

Yeahhhhhhh not looking forward to that lol

Bruh I just got friendly fire for a C2 charge

[floral peak]

How you even do that

[wind phoenix]

I have no idea

Sadge

[floral peak]

Rust belt is easy, even easier with wedges

[wind phoenix]

Oh yeah that’s what I’ve been doing. I had two guys behind a door though so I just used C2 to knock em out but it told me friendly fire

[quiet grove]

how can I inform myself when and if the downgrade is fixed?

[teal timber]

thank you,finally someone actually helps

[wind phoenix]

I still haven’t S ranked Greased Palms so sorry man I couldn’t help. Lol

[floral peak]

I did it on Hard S, never came back since

[narrow plank]

Hard greased palms wasn't that terrible solo but then again I had a massive skill issue and abused the M32

[floral peak]

Same, abused m32, but god this map is nightmare

[uncut widget]

Leave it and try to do other ones

[narrow plank]

The later levels though you need the beanbag if you want to solo it, don't have enough ammo for the 32

[wind phoenix]

That’s what I’ve been doing LMAO. Saving that one for later

[stoic thistle]

Finally S ranked every level.

[floral peak]

Now do it on hard.

[narrow plank]

Enjoy your tats

[surreal merlin]

can anyone explain why certain maps are so bad? like neon tomb, relapse, greased palms etc. (or so hard)

[floral peak]

Never had problems with either relapse or tomb

[uncut widget]

It will be enough, if you take one taser and will be tasing suspects one by one

[stoic thistle]

I don't want to lose my mind off schedule.

[floral peak]

You will do it eventually, i know it

[narrow plank]

Enemy type and weapon composition, terrorists and cartel have among the highest stats when it comes to morale and lethality

[narrow plank]

Until one of the 26 port suspects gets up and you have to waste another nade

M32 is great for the initial push, just doesnt handle anything outside of that very well

[uncut widget]

I still used flash launcher, since this map has large open areas, you can walk together with your team

Not be afraid of FF

[narrow plank]

I mean everything is easier with a team, I'm speaking from a solo pov, since that's all I ever did

[floral peak]

i complete lvls on S with AI usually

[narrow plank]

Relying on the AI to not die to something stupid is like trusting a blind person to drive perfectly

[uncut widget]

Broo, I mean AI team. It isn’t easier with their dumbass brains

[narrow plank]

I'm so confused

[uncut widget]

AI team is good by reactivity and you can know where the enemy is by where your officers looking at

[narrow plank]

The one time I brought swat AI to hard they just kind of stared at someone and immediately all died within one mag

[floral peak]

Packing every evidence on map >>>

[uncut widget]

You know the ball

[surreal merlin]

i have heard that the beanbag shotgun is lethal at headshots. will that be a big problem that happens often when playing with the shotgun? or is it not that big of a deal?

[floral peak]

just dont aim at head

[narrow plank]

It can be if you catch a suspect and they stagger for a moment

[uncut widget]

Looking for evidences on multiplayer it just another skibidi pain of Sigma Devil ever felt

[wind phoenix]

Mannnn if it wasn’t for the dumb C2 friendly fire I would have gotten S

[floral peak]

Going on my fav mission, hell yeah

[uncut widget]

Don’t use C2

[wind phoenix]

I had two guys behind a door so

[uncut widget]

Use Taran or breach shorgun instead

[uncut widget]

Mp or Ai team?

[wind phoenix]

AI team

[uncut widget]

I guess you just rushed with explodion before your team even could take positions

[wind phoenix]

Yeah I guess which I didn’t know was a thing lol. Oh well

What’s the morale for the suspects in Carriers of the vine

[surreal merlin]

tbh i loved leviathan from dark waters

[floral peak]

its called Ram bro

[surreal merlin]

he probably wanted to say the ram

[wraith gale]

it's actually called RoN

[floral peak]

Oh yeah my bad

[fallen bobcat]

well it your aim is good you'll never hit sus in the head

[obtuse zinc]

My teammates banned me from using BB shotgun. I tend to drop folks who scare me to the dome. Demoted to painball pistol and shield

[narrow plank]

Not too high but they make up for it with weapons

The M14 is a literal autocannon on hard mode

[obtuse zinc]

Its so loud in tunnels

[marsh lark]

0.65/0.9

[vale peak]

I'm probably not the first to ask this so I apologize but, anybody know if console will ever get mod support? Ive no lifed this game since it released on console and its getting a bit stale, still love the game, just wondering if map mods might be a thing for console

[stone bay]

Is stolen valor only one building?

[obsidian nymph]

@hexed flame mb for the abrupt leave

had to go

[surreal merlin]

from what i know, yes

[uncut widget]

Everyone still get what i said, so doesn't matter

Same to say poop and shit

[stone bay]

Does the stolen valor mission have like evidence that is stored in the locker? Hunger strike did not have them

[amber dock]

No

[ancient pivot]

Hello

[stone bay]

So no evidence

[amber dock]

Nope

[toxic harness]

1 building with 4 floors (and has traps)

[toxic harness]

Both LSS missions has no evidence boxes

[buoyant pecan]

Shame

Especially since Stolen Valor has one of the most interesting and fleshed out suspects

[sullen glade]

I'm disappointed the launcher constantly gives friendly fire deductions

[toxic harness]

It does not happen when doing MP matches

[swift bone]

Is it me or does taking out the sidearm after pointing your main one at a civilian work great at making them get on their knees?

[toxic harness]

As long you're aiming at them, they would be more likely to surrender

[sullen glade]

Yeah, but if your officers are equiped with flash goggles it shouldn't be doing it at all

[buoyant pecan]

Should I beat regular unmodded SWAT4 first or install the elite force mod and have to start all over again but with probably better gameplay

[marble flume]

I finally decided to try out something that isn't a shotgun or a battle rifle, and honestly the GA416 actually wasn't too bad on Hard Hide and Seek

I mean, I still failed because this map is dogass, but as it turns out, rapid semi-auto is basically just as good as full-auto, if not arguably just better

[marble flume]

Getting flashes DOES apply a movespeed penalty, even if the glasses prevent the visual effect

Not vibing with the AK though lmao, too much kick per shot

[maiden breach]

Got to valley of the dolls today and never felt more obligated to kill a entire map

[toxic harness]

It's fine, but sometimes the visual recoil does not work that it feels weak

[grave anchor]

WHY IS EPIC SERVICES DOWN WHEN I FINALLY GET TO PLAY THIS WEEKEND

[marsh lark]

There are currently no errors flagged on Epic server status

[marble flume]

FINALLY, I got a C on Hard Hide and Seek, my pain is over

[grave anchor]

weird. "Unable to connect to the epic servbices. Please try again later"

working now

[toxic harness]

I never knew that Sins of the Father will also have traps on Hard

I thought they always have traps as on Standard I dealt with them

[amber dock]

Ridgeline,brisa cove,rust belt,Sins of the father has traps on hard mode

Base game maps wise

[toxic harness]

I'm now watching someone streaming RoN on YouTube

[buoyant pecan]

Holy shit SWAT 4 is already dope but the elite force mod improves so much

Anyone know of any good SWAT 4 custom levels I should download?

[whole plume]

Restart your game

[modest hare]

Hi

[buoyant pecan]

Catch me DJing playing Fairfax Residence ambience in the club

[gilded gulch]

Bout to play with cloud gaming on phone, mobile or not

[stark kiln]

Does anyone know a good arid camo shirt? Can't seem to find one that matches the LSPD tac pants. Pants suggestions for arid would also be appreciated camo wise.

(Should specify i'm on console so no mod options, please :) )

[wintry summit]

Is the AI like, going to be fixed?

When they work they work really well but the glitchiness is just constant

[wraith gale]

eventually

[stark kiln]

Update on this: BST Combat Pants seem to have a decently arid texture, not sure if its actual arid camo or not. Only shirt I could find to match was the modified G3. Any other suggestions would still be helpful

[toxic harness]

You will DJ in Neon Club

[lyric vale]

Is gas fixed at all

[stark kiln]

I was just about to ask that

[toxic harness]

Yes but it was nerfed

The reaction to the gas was delayed

[timber arch]

i got a question so basically i was on Stolen Valor and at the end of the mission it said soft complete and 2 swat npcs came in out of no where and started taking the enemies one by one and putting them in the swat van is that normal ? or something

[stark kiln]

Those may be the 'trailers' you hear about from time to time. They're a real thing in most if not all swat units, and provide emergency treatment or securing of wounded suspects and civilians. They're basically SWAT's garbage men, cleaning up as you go. Normally you don't see them but I believe you can on a few missions. If they were wearing blue-ish accented gear, those are SWAT trailers.

Some day they're bugged, sometimes if you have dead suspects but haven't secured them, they'll come in, grab them, and leave lol. At least, they're supposed to.

Some say they dont show up in commander mode, only quickplay, or what used to be called 'practice' mode.

[toxic harness]

What I also remember is that if Entry Team are down, TOC would usually say something like

"Mission is a failure. We'll have the Federal on this"

[stark kiln]

Fun fact: the trailers are actually wearing the SWAT '99 gear you get for completing all missions, at least in their BDUs/uniforms.

[dusky isle]

do yall know how to disable bloom?

[marsh lark]

Cameramod, it has a console wich you can open with F2 and type r.bloomquality 0

[prime wing]

^

same goes for fog

[toxic harness]

Ron players when they can't disable the sun's bloom irl

[marsh lark]

Yeah, for fog it is r.fog 0

[marsh lark]

23 megabytes is crazy with the sun. You can barely see anything across floors

[timber arch]

so i found out how to make them summon

[stark kiln]

(I think most play with the 'highlight weapons' accessibility feature on for thay reason, half the time you can't see shit 💀

[timber arch]

basically at the end of the misson if its soft completed and if u hold ur squad and kill someone thats cuffed already the trailer will take over

[covert pulsar]

the what now

[timber arch]

lowkey thats a cool game feature

[toxic harness]

Neon Tomb really makes me think that the officers were on drugs while fighting the Hand

[toxic harness]

That will be the only non realistic thing I want cuz it makes missions faster and we'll find a missing gun a lot faster

[stark kiln]

In the accessibility features in the options, there's an option to highlight weapons, which will add a yellow highlight to every weapon dropped by a suspect

[stark kiln]

Main reason I use it, sometimes you just can't fuckin see them

[marsh lark]

Neon tomb, you legit have to play with NVGs just to see something on the second floor

[uneven sand]

Imagining this in my head is hilarious

[uneven sand]

I run NVGs with the thermal mod on neon tomb for that reason lol

[marsh lark]

Eh, I think thermal mod is a bit cheating even for me

[uneven sand]

It seems the devs added proper flash hiders to every suspects weapon… I personally feel that in maps with dark environments, the muzzle flashes aren’t as prominent as they should on certain weapons.

[uneven sand]

Oh it totally is 100%, especially if one uses the outline mod — I take that out when running Roleplay AI

[quiet apex]

Random question, why do the suspects never look like what they do in the reports and like photos? I first noticed with Voll's wife but now I'm seeing that they're never looking how they're supposed to

[buoyant pecan]

About to attempt the Children of Taronne mission from SWAT 4 for the first time

[quiet apex]

Glhf

[buoyant pecan]

Mother of God….they’re just children….

[quiet apex]

I consistently get told to play swat 4 are you enjoying it so far

[prime wing]

cause ron characters are ugly as fuck in general, they never match the 2d art vs whatever the fuck the model artist does

been an issue for the longest

i think streamer fat guy is the closest

[wide verge]

Carriers is rough too. Rust Belt as well

[quiet apex]

Damn, that's annoying. If only there was effort in that

[wide verge]

Same with swat ai guys in commander mode. The portraits look nothing like the in game models

[prime wing]

it would be easier if they just took a pic of the model real time

even if it looks goofy

still somewhat consistent

[wide verge]

Agreed

[stark kiln]

True

Even if they look fuckin stupid, it's better than the alternative

[wide verge]

At least you know what they're gonna look like in actual missions

[stark kiln]

True, though i hardly see their faces since they're either wearing ballistic or gas mask lol

[wide verge]

We NEED balaclavas

No one using ballistic masks

[stark kiln]

I do if only because there's no balaclavas except in mp

In MP I exclusively run the echo officer choices

[toxic harness]

Same, hell my profile is based on Echo

[stark kiln]

(If you cant select those in multiplayer btw, decrease your UI scale to 90% in the options menu, and you can select them then, for anyone who doesnt know)

[toxic harness]

My ui is 100% since Im on TV

[stark kiln]

Fair tbh, me too lol

[fallen bobcat]

let me guess. 3LT is the last mission?

[toxic harness]

Yes

[fallen bobcat]

How many days spent trying?

[stark kiln]

Good luck lmao, even on casual, I almost died due to dumb mistakes, can't imagine it on hard

[toxic harness]

2 days but I have hw that im working on rn

I may get on when I am not that busy

[fallen bobcat]

so all dlc missions is not hard to do?(except 3LT of course)

[toxic harness]

Narcos, Mirage and Levithian are challenging

[fallen bobcat]

can imagine Stolen Valor being annoying cuz hostage situations

[elfin crag]

Yo u guys know any good assault rifles? I have a fast playstile

[toxic harness]

Dorms is only challenging with its door traps on Hard S. Plus when I clean it on 1st try, I had no hostages but i can't find the last gun lol

[stark kiln]

Any hostage situation in this game is annoying for me, the only time I ever managed to successfully take down the suspect without the civilian was on Lawmaker

And that's not even on standard diff 💀

[toxic harness]

Anything not a 5.56 (GA416 and G36C is an excemption)

[elfin crag]

I use the MCX it’s good in my opinion but I want more to chose from

[fallen bobcat]

it's your choice. I like slr47. but on hard it's mk17 oor sa58

[stark kiln]

My favorite is the MCX, but I sometimes use the MK17 if I need 50% more bullet per bullet

[toxic harness]

For lethal I just shoot them which funny enough is not against the ROE in my experience, but if I do non lethal, I be abusing the M32A1. However I plan to revists with Beanbag shotgun to make myself more certified like a real life SWAT member

[long harbor]

Whats the best gun for like power?

[stark kiln]

I haven't tried the SLR47, I might have to use it

[elfin crag]

Sa51

[long harbor]

like one shot and they are down?

[toxic harness]

SLR, SA51, and M14S. If non lethal, M32A1 Flash

[elfin crag]

Or the SA-58

[stark kiln]

Of course it also depends where you hit them and if they're wearing armor

[elfin crag]

The Slr is the small looking ak right?

[long harbor]

I dont see them

[toxic harness]

Yeah

[tired jungle]

The fuck is this hate towards 556

[tired jungle]

Slr isn't as powerful the 308 rifles. It performs identical to .300 in game

[elfin crag]

SA-58 OSW
SA51
MCX
LVAR
G36
GA16
Are all good for my play style but for you try some of those and see if u like them

[toxic harness]

556 is a good caliber, but you have 7.62 with some having less recoil with more penetration power. Plus Blackout is somehow better in game

[fallen bobcat]

isn't slr 5.45? so it's not one shot

[buoyant pecan]

Just played Children of Taronne Tenement

[tired jungle]

762x39

[toxic harness]

I gotta look at the gun selection again

[buoyant pecan]

Goated tactical horror
Really hope RoN adds more horror focused levels soon

[fallen bobcat]

what i was wrong all the time bruh. I assumed since it's ak based so it's 5.45

[toxic harness]

You see this innocent house? ITS ACTUALLY THE MAIN HQ FOR CHILDREN TRAFFICING!!!!

[elfin crag]

@long harbor

[toxic harness]

The Ak is 7.62x39, not the 51 like the other 7.62

[buoyant pecan]

Valley is so fucked up

[toxic harness]

"what could be possibly inside those barrels?" is a sentence that summerizes the VOTD

[buoyant pecan]

I’m wondering if they were partially inspired by the child graves in the Taronne Tenement level from SWAT4

[long harbor]

Oh yeah I saw

[toxic harness]

I really need to try the SWAT series

[tired jungle]

Rarely does the .300 actually make a difference against the 556. As for 762 nato they all have more recoil than 556 guns. Also for the m14 or mk17 for example the time to stove away is hella long.

[buoyant pecan]

Fun stuff that level is terrifying

Fairfax Residence goes hard too and I really hope we get a serial killer level like that in RoN

[tired jungle]

I would say that you should use what looks cool to you and feels right. Ofc some guns are objectively better than others but no rifle is inherently bad or puts you at a big disadvantage

[tired jungle]

Doesn't really matter, in game stats identical to .300

[covert pulsar]

nice

[quiet apex]

When is swat ai gonna get fixed

I'm getting tired of borked sped Helen Keller teammates costing me missions

[surreal merlin]

i got my first 3 s ranks

[fading quarry]

Can somone hlep me find theese clothes

[stark kiln]

Which ones??

[fading quarry]

Dms

[tired jungle]

Chat i misplaced my clothes and i need to get to work

Help me find them

[desert island]

no

i wont tell u

[feral egret]

is there an option to choose which regions you want the game to connect you online?

[languid dagger]

@hot tusk I responded to your dm

[grand sequoia]

Oh that's why you are running around naked

DAMN 1 HOUR AGO

[willow grove]

anyone able to help me to get a S on grease palms?

[severe viper]

The craziest thing just happened, I did the school shooting one. But was too slow so the bomb exploded. But here is the thing that happened. My TV shut down, my Xbox shut down and I have trouble booting it up now 😂😂

[rustic jackal]

they bombed you irl that’s crazy

[trim dirge]

dude was playing the mission in real life 😂

[sullen glade]

Port hard is full of bugs:
Can't shoot through window to right of map
Suspect getting stuck behind tractor/crate mover
Suspects shooting at you before you've even turned
Suspects shooting at you across half the map

[trim dirge]

this entire game is full of bugs

i can’t tell if the developers are lazy, taking a break, or actually working on it for the next patch

[toxic harness]

2 and 3

[sullen glade]

Yeah but port especially IMO.

A lot probably broke and tweaks are needing to be made with hard mode, but usually the devs will push an update pretyy quickly thankfully

[desert island]

devs are working on the next patch, but it aint gona be bug fixes

they r gona add more animations and some how break something else

[trim dirge]

im still trying to figure out why they changed the door kicking animation

[sullen glade]

Nah they generally do at least some bug fixes per patch

[desert island]

at this point it seems the dev team r just doing random bullshit to justifiy their own job

ah yes the animation team is working on lightstick animations dont worry they r still needed

[marsh lark]

Suspects shooting without turning yet has been here for a very long time, but it is not that common from my experience. Shooting across the map has also been here since the start, but has been since tuned down a lot.

[desert island]

the suspect stats are still pretty bad

[marsh lark]

Last two patches fixed various bugs that affected a lot of people, and they were not some animation changes.

[sullen glade]

Seems after most updates things break, a real focus on AI is definitely needed tbh

[desert island]

theres literally a stat line that allows them to see players thru gaps

but they keep that in

[sullen glade]

They get AI to a decent place - push an update - AI breaks - cycle starts again

[desert island]

if u want a bugfix update prepare for more bugs

[trim dirge]

what they really need to implement are things that add onto the realism, they seem to forget the most important things like suspects hitting you in the dark and things similar. of course the bug fixes are really important

[severe viper]

Bro I was shooked😂😂

[severe viper]

I wasn’t even playing on hard, I was playing on realistic mode 😂

[prisma raft]

Having a hard time finding officers with the traits I need to unlock for the achievement. I've been farming the gas station so I can fire an officer after each op and hopefully hire a new one with the traits I need but no dice.

Am I just having bad luck or does my method stop me from finding certain traits?

[desert island]

bad luck

[marsh lark]

The bugs that ruin the game, such as stuck suspects, crashes, and various fps dips that are the result of some other bug will be something they always prioritize over AI. And generally the AI can be beat, even RoN 1.0 AI that was considered the most broken AI to fight against in a long time was beatable. You just had to be careful and think about what you do.

Do not go into places where you are at an disadvantage, that also means going on highgrounds. Generally on Port you have no reason to go up to the top of the tower, because they are never inside but outside on the catwalk, and you will shoot them and kill them from under the tower.

[silent sluice]

So for the ironmode easy difficulty can I still get the dev ruined watch ?

Or I need to play a specific difficulty

[prisma raft]

Thanks!

[rustic jackal]

you can get it on any mode but to get the achievement it needs to be standard or higher

[silent sluice]

By achievement do you mean the bling watch ?

[rustic jackal]

no there’s an achievement called the hermit I believe for completing the game on Ironman mode on standard or higher, the watch is obtainable in any of the 3 modes

[silent sluice]

So I can get the bling watch if I play ironman mode on easy difficulty

[rustic jackal]

yes that’s what mods have said to me as well the true RoNers have confirmed this 😈

[silent sluice]

Lol and can it be done in multi-player or just solo ?

[rustic jackal]

ironman mode is only available in single player

[silent sluice]

Thank you man

[rustic jackal]

np

[desert island]

ngl

rifles and smgs suck in this game
only thing reliable r the launchers, shotguns, and mkv

[marsh lark]

rifles work across the board.

[desert island]

but they take up launcher slot

and r weaker than mkv

[silent sluice]

Mkv is a must

[marsh lark]

Launcher is not a number 1 fix it for all of your problems. Rifles are used, and are good for various reasons.

[desert island]

taking up launcher slot is a huge downside

[silent sluice]

My friend doesn't have the mkv on his weapons list and the big launchers
Are they part of the dlc ?

[desert island]

yeah its for only preorder if hes on console

[silent sluice]

Ok

[desert island]

MKV =

1 shot everyone to chest on standard mode
unless they have lv 4 armor
then its 2 shots to chest

[marsh lark]

I am presenting you with a downside for a launcher, rifles are good all around. The only reason where you really need the launcher is when you have a bad aim, or when you wanna go less than lethal. However it has limited ammo, and you can meet a lot of suspects who can also ambush you.

[desert island]

how r those downsides lmao

only good if bad aim implies its bad if ur aim is good

and less lethal is somehow a bad thing?

also 1 grenade is worth more than 1 rifle mag

also its way better against ambushes cuz u dont even need to worry about ROE

[ionic gale]

Hello

[desert island]

or even LOS

[marsh lark]

I mean, you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't see that insane advantage of having a launcher.

[desert island]

its basically a 1 shot rifle but u dont even to aim or even see them

and u get bonus points if u wana take them alive

practically all the hard achieveos require completing objectives or taking ppl alive

rifle does not help in any of the actual challenging parts of the game

also u cant friendly fire with it so if anyone scares u, u r free to shoot them without hesitation

i just did carriers of the vine with no AI and i bet my friends soul on it

walked into the church, BAM 4 people dressed the same, shot 1 grenade and got all 5 of them

[rustic jackal]

but was it on hard

[desert island]

yeah

4 of them were suspects

1 was a civ

rifle wouldve required thinking

[stone bay]

Yo guys how come I can't equip a ballistic mask?

[desert island]

i guess take off the gas mask

[marsh lark]

Maybe, but not my cup of tea. I play this game because of a tactical aspect and I generally do not go rushing in mindlessly and start throwing stuff everywhere.

[desert island]

if u were playing tactically grenade launcher is a no brainer

u need to nade to clear rooms anyways

grenade launcher gives u 6 extra and upgrades ur grenades to instant detonation

[marsh lark]

Of course you would use a grenade. Though I disagree bringing a grenade launcher and sniping everyone as you rush through everything as "tactical", but I have my opinion on that. I am not trying to direct someone towards a way they should play. Everyone is free to find their own fun in the game.

[willow grove]

Does the devs have any plain of fixing the loadout glitches or no?

[toxic harness]

Man I love my M32A1

[toxic harness]

plain?

[willow grove]

AutoCorrect

[marsh lark]

What loadout glitches

[willow grove]

them disappearing, deleting after updating them etc.

[marsh lark]

Interesting, didn't have that happen yet.

[willow grove]

Oh just wait it’s really fucking annoying

[toxic harness]

Same I haven't encountered it

[rustic jackal]

It’s still in the game? 😭

[willow grove]

Fucking unfortunately

[languid creek]

Just fumbled the Ironman run on carriers of the vine im gonna crash out because an officer resigned no civies died and everyone was content before what a scam

[restive mulch]

it’s not a scam you need to manage stress better

[rustic jackal]

I see you left out the part where you killed the women 😭

[restive mulch]

local man figures out gunning down everyone you see won’t bode well mentally

[languid creek]

Just one lady and she’s still a suspect shooting at us these officers are pussies

[rustic jackal]

I love this mentality and I agree how else we gonna rid Los Suenos of crime bruh

[languid creek]

All civilians rescued and everyone was content before. That’s bs

[restive mulch]

arresting them

[rustic jackal]

it’s just a never ending cycle

[toxic harness]

We can legally remove them by putting them to death sentences

[rustic jackal]

unless we eradicate the cities population

[restive mulch]

“Our mission is not to create widows and orphans. It is to bring order to chaos.”

[rustic jackal]

yeah ROE blows I’m Judge Wick

[toxic harness]

Since you know D-Platoon are canonically pacifists and some vips doing those crimes can lead to death sentences

[restive mulch]

lore accurate police officer

[toxic harness]

officers when an acorn drops nearby

[rustic jackal]

thank you sir I appreciate this

[restive mulch]

swat teams aren’t militaries, they aren’t sent in to kill everyone they see because that person poses a threat

[rustic jackal]

this is wild echo 😭

[rustic jackal]

not to mention how the CQB varies heavily between the two, I hate the military larpers in lfg 💔

[restive mulch]

my trail so sinuous rn….

[toxic harness]

Oh him? he has a lethal obsession

[rustic jackal]

we’ll see it soon on the ides of march

[restive mulch]

what are you? some kind of lawmaker?

[rustic jackal]

that guy is known for his hide and seek

[marsh lark]

Well, yes and no. They will make an attempt to make you surrender, however if you don't, you will get shot. That is how real life works, SWAT is not there to negotiate with you for 3 hours when you have a gun in your hand

[rustic jackal]

In the streets I’m known as a leviathan

[toxic harness]

Well as they say.. "Buy Cheap, Buy Twice"

[restive mulch]

so why do they do that all the time

[toxic harness]

Damn dude, you have a Rust Belt

[restive mulch]

this guy is relapsing

[marsh lark]

Do what exactly?

[restive mulch]

do it

[rustic jackal]

😭

[rustic jackal]

only the men with greased palms

[toxic harness]

What is that... so many dolls...

It's valley of the dolls.

[rustic jackal]

the twisted nerve on this guy

[restive mulch]

this really is hide and seek, huh?

[toxic harness]

I need Narcos.

Nachos, dumbass.

Stfu, it's Narcos

[restive mulch]

you’d think someone with the spider could process 23 megabytes a second! the twisted nerve on that guy! especially during the ides of march

[toxic harness]

We are the Left Behind! This our Ides of March! HUT!

[restive mulch]

together we are the sins of the father!

[toxic harness]

There's only letters on this note. What is it?'

Three Letter Triad...

[desert island]

wats this

some sort of neon tomb

[fringe skiff]

Question, what happened if u dont close the container door at hide and seek mission?

[uncut widget]

You won’t get S rank

[toxic harness]

You won't get the 5th soft objective that you need to do

[uncut widget]

Did you complete 3 letter triad?

[toxic harness]

I'm going to do it rn

[uncut widget]

How difficult is it? I’m just new in game, never tried that map

[toxic harness]

After that, imma freeball with anyone while I can be like "Yeah I 100% all on Hard mode)

[toxic harness]

New?

[uncut widget]

Yeah

[uncut widget]

My progression in nickname is just for poser flexing

[wet pelican]

Anyone know why the "podium" just outside the station entrance was removed ? Any particular reason ? I just noticed it's gone it was there a few weeks ago.

[narrow plank]

Take Relapse level suspect aim with hide and seek number of suspects on a map that you can't really see or hear that well in

[toxic harness]

LETS GOO GOT SLEEPER AGENT

[desert island]

😴

[toxic harness]

While that, we were also Standard S rank 3LT lol

Now once I Hard S 3LT, I'll be in the club with the others

[uncut widget]

Yea ik, you can see in my thoughts about it

[uncut widget]

Was it your last achievement?

[toxic harness]

No...

I still need Ironman for Base and some few dlc achievements

[uncut widget]

Did you Beat Cop?

[toxic harness]

Not yet

[uncut widget]

Need advice or you can handle it?

[toxic harness]

I can handle it

[desert island]

only achievements i need to do r S rank dlc maps

and stuff that i need to go out of the way to do like

drink coffee, do training, look at evidence locker

[toxic harness]

I technically S Rank all DLCs. But I need to do special missions

[languid dagger]

Can I fire someone and get the hermit achievement still?

I just fired someone and worried I just screwed the achievement

[toxic harness]

Yeah

The achievement needs you to not have anyone dead

[languid dagger]

And your 100% sure that alright?

Cause I rather quit here in case I screwed it

[gloomy schooner]

you guys think there are gna be anymore missions after hide and seek or just dlc

[desert island]

i dont hav the dlc so

i need to ask someoen to host and they all suck

[gritty lava]

My teammates watched me die right in front of them and they're still content

[stoic juniper]

I want a level like duplesis diamonds, skilled spooky tactical guys who are just greedy, that's an enemy type i miss

[desert island]

boogaloo boys

i wana see more temu security like mindjot

lv2 armor and plastic helmets

[buoyant pecan]

That level has a very interesting and strange soundtrack

One of my favorite SWAT 4 levels visually/aesthetically

[buoyant pecan]

lol Ngl their uniforms looked hella cool

[desert island]

their personality is pretty embarrassing tho

but at least they r fun to fight

cuz they dont blend into background

[stoic juniper]

yeah man it's so eerie in there with that sountrack, and the robbers themself look so weird yet cool

[grave anchor]

why is the audio seem so out of whack. Voices coming from out of bounds areas...etc

[gritty lava]

It pisses me off how the civilians are persistent than the suspects

[gritty lava]

Sometimes my yells don't make a sound or anything

[weary parcel]

Does anybody know if suspects just have an increased resistance to flashbangs on Hard or are the flashbangs bugged?

[dire horizon]

You can't fire anyone

[languid dagger]

Really?

[dire horizon]

Yup

[languid dagger]

They last shorter I think 4 seconds compared to the normal 8

[dire horizon]

Fire, quit or die, you can't lose anyone

[languid dagger]

What a stupid fucking rule

Giving me 3 negotiator in the beginning is crazy

[dire horizon]

That's rough

[plain valve]

Just quickly close application if your officer does die so it doesn’t auto save.

Should only take you around 2 min to load back & start the mission (at least for PS5)

[keen mountain]

dude why can i not cancel the reload to stop bleeding

no way if im bleeding i cant stop the reload to patch it first

[dire horizon]

And drop the magazine? Not allowed

[keen mountain]

lmaooo

[dire horizon]

If you double tap reload you discard the old mag and reload faster

Which you can then just pick up the old one

[keen mountain]

im using a shotgun

[dire horizon]

Well there is the mag fed shotgun

Otherwise in settings you can change it to load one shell at a time

[torn frost]

anyone wanna run it \

[dire horizon]

#🔎looking-for-players

[hot rock]

I got into airsoft thanks to ready or not

ty 😄

[lusty cape]

finally got A+ tier on elephant smh

is 11 mins quick?

[toxic harness]

Slow as shit

[lusty cape]

yeah but ion rush the game like some ppl, i actually breach the doors n shi. not run around with a taser against 4 guys w aks lmao

[jade sparrow]

Game won't let me use my fifth officer slot on the mission "3 Letter Triad"; Is this a known bug?

[toxic harness]

That I never know that

[jade sparrow]

Is the mission only supposed to be played with 4 officers instead of 5 like the others?

[tacit solar]

mods, changed my entire perspective on this game, what.

[marble flume]

I'm watching an old video of RoN, and you used to be unable to optiwand under metal doors and alarm tripmines also existed

I do wonder why those were removed

[restive mulch]

prolly toe make the game fun

[marble flume]

Its fun to be able to get free wallhacks under every door in the game instead of just most of them? Maybe for you, I guess

[restive mulch]

most of the doors in game would never be able to fit an optiwand unless real estate owners wanted their homes to infested with bugs

[marble flume]

Pretty sure SWAT 4 worked the same way, which this game is supposed to be an unofficial sequel to

[restive mulch]

ok

[marble flume]

love how I'm getting shit because they made the game easier

[crude prism]

alarms tripwires still exist, only on casual now though

"beep beep you would've exploded idiot"

[chilly thorn]

I loved the projects mission in swat 4

really felt like an old abandoned building

[marble flume]

oh, interesting! I've literally never tried playing Casual, so it makes sense that I haven't seen em recently

[restive mulch]

what

[marble flume]

"alarm" tripwires to me are basically the flashbang traps lmao

[toxic harness]

"BOOM! HAH SCARED YOU DUMBASS!"

I do wish to have those alarm tripwires as a April Fools update

[chilly thorn]

praying void adds shotgun traps or lets enemies do craftier things like use a car door as cover

[marble flume]

fuck it, just put explosive traps on every map on Hard difficulty lmao. true 1.0 stuff

[chilly thorn]

I think the suspect AI is in a good state they just don't feel human enough (Swat AI is stupid though)

[toxic harness]

Gerard and Left Behind would easily use the Shotgun trap

[restive mulch]

I just realized the three letter triad name is a reference to MLO

[toxic harness]

Same

[chilly thorn]

A shotgun trap would just be fucking sick its a real thing and I don''t see why they aren't in the game

[toxic harness]

It should make us bleed or instantly fold the person who is in front of the door

[restive mulch]

I think judge is cleaning up MLOs messes and loose ends

[chilly thorn]

Instant death I'd say.

[toxic harness]

Anyway which achievement pfp should I rock now?

[restive mulch]

the guy from tombstone

[chilly thorn]

Hostage situation mechanics in this game also suck when they kill the hostage it looks so shitty and janky

[restive mulch]

the hostage also survives if you kill the suspect before the hostage drops to the ground

[marble flume]

Suspect AI still needs an actual visual detection system (which they don't have at all; also, sometimes they see you even if their back is turned to your ass completely), some sort of proper audio detection (cause I swear I can just run around maps at full speed and no one hears shit), some parameters that keep them from shooting while running (or at least making them MUCH less accurate while doing so), and also not making every suspect some bloodthirsty Terminator.

If I surprise a suspect and hit em with a compliance yell, that dude should definitely be shitting his pants

[restive mulch]

yeah hearing someone shoot at you form a wall because they somehow spotted you is mad annoying

[chilly thorn]

Not only that they don't even have ANY visual damage after getting point blanked in the head. For a game that says its all horrific and realistic the gore is pretty underwelming.

[jade sparrow]

All my game versions with mods are unplayable, says they have corrupted files (this has happened since the console release); I tried verifying files' integrity but still the only version working is the modless one
Any way to fix that?

[chilly thorn]

The voice acting carries

[restive mulch]

“this is fisa, close the container” 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[crude prism]

you don't like that suspects get 320 degree 'cones' of vision?

[chilly thorn]

They do actually, you can sneak up on suspects and dome them in the back of the head as long as you already haven't alerted them.

[marble flume]

I swear it fucking feels like it sometimes

[crude prism]

that's not a joke, it's 320 of 360 degrees lmao

[jade sparrow]

What folders are mods kept in? Cause I think this is caused by some mods I had installed before the console update

[marble flume]

are you fucking serious

[restive mulch]

do silencers do anything for “stealth” or is it just for gun buffs

[chilly thorn]

Ready or Not-Content-Paks

[desert island]

they can also hear behind them

[crude prism]

that is how ears work yes

[marble flume]

I'm honestly not confident suspects can hear half the shit in this game at all

[desert island]

yeah u cant just sneak up on a guy

[jade sparrow]

What's the path for that?

[desert island]

they hear everything thats why they can see thru walls and behind themselves

[restive mulch]

you’ll use C2 on a building and the guys halfway into it will be oblivious to it

[chilly thorn]

Suspects get more anxious when you fire a unsilenced weapon making them more sparatic and unpredictable

[desert island]

they just have dumb decision making

[crude prism]

I should probably add the disclaimer that they have 2 separate "vision cones"

one for alerted and one for unalerted

unalerted is only 180

alarted is 320

[marble flume]

I'm honestly pretty confident suspects just don't hear footsteps at all; I've ran full-speed around corners and any suspects I run into were NOT at high ready

[restive mulch]

that’s a cool mechanic actually I like the suspect stress/morale system

[chilly thorn]

D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Ready Or Not

[desert island]

they need to have their stress level raised

before they r allowed to actually make use of sound

[marble flume]

thats still stupid as shit

[desert island]

once they shoulder their weapons they will use footsteps u make to aim at the wall

[crude prism]

0-22 are the game files, do not touch

[chilly thorn]

If they had animations of the suspects like looking around and behind them when they are alerted it would be fine but there is no difference in their animations sadly

[restive mulch]

I like how at the start of a mission the enemies are usually easy to arrest but as it goes on they get more resistant until they finally back down (usually at the end)

[desert island]

also they r more prepared

[marble flume]

This is kind of true, but also not really.

For instance, compare three suppressed shots of a GA416 to a single, loud blast of a 12 gauge shotgun. You'd think the suppressed gun would cause less stress, but you'd be wrong lmao, its the shotgun.

Also, suppressed gunshots travel the same distance as unsuppressed gunshots

[desert island]

they start shoulder weapons at aimming at sound cues like doors opening and footsteps

[chilly thorn]

Sometimes I bring an extra mag to dump into the sky at the start to have the suspects start scurring about and start getting more scared

[restive mulch]

SBAGS is such an op perk

[chilly thorn]

Do the devs know about that bug where the swat ai be phasing through each other or are they ignoring it

[marble flume]

thats hilarious lmao, although higher stress suspects leads to more aimbot

[crude prism]

suppressors, relatively, don't really do shit to muffle gunshots, especially indoors

the fact that there is an appreciable difference at all is extremely gamey

[toxic harness]

I finally Hard S every mission :3

[chilly thorn]

The suspects in this game have some of the shittiest aim ever even on hard its not a problem.

[marble flume]

Well honestly it doesn't muffle gunshots in-game either, it just causes less stress to suspects when they hear it at the same distance.

[marble flume]

you have to be trolling if you're genuinely saying suspects have bad aim on hard

[crude prism]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

[chilly thorn]

I'll send a clip in the clips thing

[restive mulch]

every enemy on hard is chris kyle

[toxic harness]

[Kobe with Trophy image here]

Me fr

[marble flume]

I fucking wish suspects had bad aim on Hard, it took me a fucking week to complete Hide and Seek with at least a C

[toxic harness]

Damn

[languid dagger]

He didn't die I fired him

[restive mulch]

you can’t lose any officers at all

[desert island]

supposably firing is allowed

[restive mulch]

oh

[toxic harness]

You should be fine if you fire someone

Achievement - Nobody should die
Watch - Nobody should resign to therapy

[marble flume]

This was the nonsense I was dealing with on Hard:

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[chilly thorn]

honestly you prob just got unlucky and they hit a headshot man

[toxic harness]

Well I only see you shot once and idk if shotguns can be accurate long range in this game

[desert island]

technically u got lucky azzy

cuz headshots have a 33% chance of doing no damage if u wear a helmet

[marble flume]

I think I was told by MMM I actually just fucked the shot, even though it looked good, but my point was the AI accuracy and not the shot itself

[chilly thorn]

I didn't even get hit

[desert island]

and u got shot in the head 6 times with no damage taken

[chilly thorn]

Sound effects play when you actually get hit it just had the suppression effect.

[marble flume]

I don't even think that guy was actually aiming at you in the first place

[toxic harness]

Hard mode lore: Everyone got those trigger attachments to their guns that the Tran brothers were rich at one point

[desert island]

cant really say anything since hud was disabled

but getting shot in helmet does no damage

hell getting shot in ceramic chest does no damage

[lapis shuttle]

I don't think I can ask this here but does anyone still have the option to play games in bf6 beta?

[desert island]

and pistols do even less damage to armor and helmets

[chilly thorn]

I guess the clip was kinda pure luck but even then I would still never really say the suspects have "Aimbot" I would just say sometimes they lock the fuck in

because a lot of the time for me I have suspects try to rush me and miss every shot and put their gun down when its empty

[marble flume]

Its weird that you picked a clip from Ides of March, despite Ides of March being the first map where suspects absolutely put you the fuck down on Hard

[chilly thorn]

I haven't played most pre-ides map with the new AI

[desert island]

they have aimbot where they will always target ur chest center mass, but then it becomes rng if it hits u using a deviation cone

[marble flume]

This IS on Hard difficulty, right? Pretty much every Hard difficulty suspect on Ides of March can kill your ass in two seconds through two walls and a doorway

[toxic harness]

Me when I finally Hard S every missions

[chilly thorn]

Default Hard with a lil tiny bit of mods but none that effect AI I usually play with an AI mod but not that time, I don't have any proof though so you just gonna have to trust me.

[marble flume]

The problem is, on Hard difficulty the accurace cone is so narrow that they basically just land every single shot at you unless they're REALLY far away

[chilly thorn]

(completely fair if you don't trust me)

[marble flume]

For context, run a couple SWATs with the Veteran trait in Commander mode and watch THEM become Chris Kyle with a GA51

[toxic harness]

Huh, sometimes I was so lucky that a shotgun with a suspect misses until I flash him

[desert island]

depends which AI mod cuz most of the AI mods change the file that affects their stats and they dont revert it when u turn off the mod

[chilly thorn]

I had the file removed for a bit because I wanted to play the base game AI to see If I can notice differences

[marble flume]

suspects with shotguns are generally pretty piss poor; its the ones with battle rifles and assault rifles that you gotta watch out for

[desert island]

the mod usually changes the leveldata

[toxic harness]

It's funny that in short distance, shotguns are hella buns, meanwhile mfs with rifles got the military experience

[desert island]

which affects their accuracy and reaction table

suspects with shotguns r actually terribad

[chilly thorn]

Pistol suspects try to be john wick all the time and its fucking hilarious because they suck as well

[desert island]

they might actually be bugged cuz they will do zero damage

[marble flume]

Shotguns in your hands actually have some crazy range, with a choke it gets even crazier

[toxic harness]

But their shotgun is so shit

[chilly thorn]

Shotguns in this game either range from doing no damage to blowing your head off instantly

[marble flume]

yeah it is lmao, suspect buckshot is heavily nerfed

[desert island]

enemy shotguns do nothing even when they have auto shotguns

[marble flume]

also known as "does the hitreg feel like working today"

[toxic harness]

they should revert the nerf

[chilly thorn]

I mean to be fair buckshot in this game is pretty ass against armor and suspects usually aim for the torso

[marble flume]

I think suspects just have piss poor aim with shotguns. Apparently your SWAT AI also has terrible aim with buckshot

[chilly thorn]

They gotta add suspects with Semi-Auto shotguns that just start spraying in your direction if they see it probably be fucking scary

[desert island]

they already have auto shotguns and battle rifles

[marble flume]

a suspect with a makarov is scarier than a suspect with a full-auto shotgun

[toxic harness]

Suspect with Makarov >>> Suspect with Saiga

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but they fire them so slow

[desert island]

scariest suspects are the ones with the custom AR

[chilly thorn]

Knife suspects are the most devious they need to be more prominent

[marble flume]

I dunno, I watched some cult lady on Carriers of the Vine use a pump-action against me and I thought it was a fucking semi-auto because of how fast she was shootung it

[desert island]

custom AR and prbly LMGs have the best stats

[chilly thorn]

Those motherfuckers with the P90s in Oil rig

[marble flume]

Also Hard suspects get a 50% firerate increase on rifles LMAO

[toxic harness]

To be fair Hard suspects has the best trigger fingers

[chilly thorn]

hearing just 30 silenced shots is terrifying

[desert island]

i think the p90 is funny cuz u think ur gettin friendly fired

[marble flume]

Why can't I pump a pump-action fast

[chilly thorn]

I don't understand why they are the only suspects with silencers

[toxic harness]

but you learn that nobody is using the P90...

[desert island]

yeah but its just suppressed shots

[toxic harness]

We just don't know about the tube dump that WW1 American vets did

[desert island]

like bro y r u shootin me

[chilly thorn]

Oil rig did everything right I love that map a lot

[marble flume]

Well thats a slamfire shotgun, thats a bit different lmao

[toxic harness]

It def faster tho

[marble flume]

We don't have those though, is what I mean

[chilly thorn]

Wait I forgot for some reason oil rig suspects with gas masks can't survive tear gas but that might be because they don't have goggles

[desert island]

gasmasks and helmets dont work for enemies still

[chilly thorn]

Gas masks work on elephant and I thinks thats literally it

[desert island]

hell it would be crazy if their armor worked like swat armor

[chilly thorn]

I would honestly hate if helmets worked on suspects

[toxic harness]

What about Lethal Obsession

[restive mulch]

M249

[chilly thorn]

actually come to think of it what suspects even where helmets

[restive mulch]

sinuous trail

[desert island]

im 99% sure gas mask dont work on elephant suspects

[chilly thorn]

Nah they do last I tested it

[marble flume]

There's only one suspect in this game with a functioning gasmask, iirc

[chilly thorn]

but that was in dark waters so it might be fucked now

[toxic harness]

Sinuous Trail (kinda)

[desert island]

well it takes a minute to test it so here i go

gonna flash then drop a gas nade on them

[chilly thorn]

I know there gas masks worked in dark waters though

[desert island]

well i cant test that

[chilly thorn]

The devs are planning another patch right the games still a lil busted

something about the swat ai just walking through each other is just really pissing me off

[toxic harness]

Time to listen to WifiSkeleton as I sit in the SWAT van alone while I think about how I can recover my mental health from Hard S ranking every single mission available

But I gladly chose to trade the M32A1 for the Beanbag shotgun

[chilly thorn]

Im so happy I S-ranked all the maps back in 1.0 when the enemy ai was so easy to predict now I don't gotta unlock anything

[desert island]

yeah elephant gas masks dont work

[toxic harness]

Have you S Rank all DLCs?

[chilly thorn]

No there are no rewards for it so I just don't care

I've S ranked all dark waters levels though

[toxic harness]

Oh you even did 3 Letter Triad?!

[chilly thorn]

Yeah it wasn't to bad I did it first try because I was locked in that day

Honestly my first playthrough of the map was one of my favorite RoN expierences of all time I was fucking terrified because that mission is def the hardest

[toxic harness]

I learned it was pretty simple, just need better coronations, however I still hate Hide and Seek way more than 3LT and Greased Balls

[chilly thorn]

Hide and Seek took me like a week lol

[toxic harness]

all cuz I 3 man Hide and Seek

While 3Lt I 4 man it

[restive mulch]

sins of the father is ass

[chilly thorn]

Sins of the father is goated I just wish it didn't replace checkin IN

[toxic harness]

It's not ass fym

[rustic jackal]

the S rank for hide and seek was so fun for me, I had one guy roaming the map with my bots and it was terrifying

[chilly thorn]

This was back in 1.0 when I did it

[restive mulch]

it witeawwy is choom

its ides of match but there’s 2 floors instead of one and ides of march sucks

[chilly thorn]

Sins of the Father got some of the best atmosphere in the game I just wish the Left Behinds corny ass lines didn't ruin it.

[toxic harness]

I think they're fine

[chilly thorn]

"You fools are playing checkers" like shut up bro

[restive mulch]

the next DLC should be us raiding the party from eyes wide shut

[restive mulch]

“I wonder how you’ll write your report”

[chilly thorn]

Like the only cool line is "You feel like a hero yet" because its a reference to Spec ops the line

Like the acting is fine but the lines are just unrealistic

Best overall lines is probably Narcos with the fucking suspects shouting in pure agony and yelling about how the informant is fucked

[toxic harness]

how is it unrealistic?

[chilly thorn]

Do you really think a Domestic Terrorist is going to talk like ben shapiro after being arrested for trying to murder a senators family

[toxic harness]

perhaps

[restive mulch]

I thought the guys in sins were secret service

[chilly thorn]

They are part of the left behind which is a Domestic Terrorist group

[tired jungle]

They were

[toxic harness]

Remember that we used to fight the Bikers

[chilly thorn]

Im happy the bikers are coming back because we finally get to shoot more racists

Im assuming they are going to be in the next dlc as they were teased in Hunger Strike

[restive mulch]

who are you referring to

[toxic harness]

I'm still waiting for those MLO cult to finally show up

[toxic harness]

The bikers aka a cut gang that used to be in the early stage of Sins of the Father

[chilly thorn]

Back in the old version of sins it was a biker gang duking it out with the los locos and the bakers were basically neo-facist tattoos and everything

[restive mulch]

ah

[toxic harness]

Germany would hate to see those Neo-Facists

[chilly thorn]

Basically the Angels of death from GTA 4 but in ready or not

[toxic harness]

Or the same group that Todd is apart of in Breaking Bad Season 5

[restive mulch]

I’m guessing sins also had a different background then disgruntled secret service agents

[chilly thorn]

Sins of the father was in development for the better part of 8 years

[restive mulch]

they couldn’t find anything in those 8 years to replace the ai images

[chilly thorn]

I don't thinks sins is a full replacement for the original hotel though I feel like it will come back at some point

[tired jungle]

I wish the different enemy factions would have more distinguished ai behavior

It feels weird when ex secret service agents are as dumb as some street gang members

[chilly thorn]

I agree, like you expect me to think a methhead will hold a rifle with the same amount of percision as a Trained Operator

like the character animations have no variety

[toxic harness]

It did have 2 floors but originally you come from the main entrance. Meanwhile now you can ride in a helicopter or take a elevator

[tired jungle]

Yeah

[marble flume]

I hope the OG Carriers of the Vine map comes back, but it probably won't

[chilly thorn]

Suspects definently need more variety in the way they surrender like the cocky "slowly raise your hands" looks fine on like the Left Behind but on a scared teen it just looks dumb

[toxic harness]

Meth Heads and Local Robber should have terrible reloading speed while people with military experience should be fast on reloading

[chilly thorn]

Although that map had an amazing vibe its layout was lowkey dog shit, like tranzit from bo2.

The mines were sick though

[marble flume]

Whenever a suspect does the slow surrender animation I just use more non-lethal until they just throw the gun down

[restive mulch]

based

[tired jungle]

The slow surrender animation is still broken

[marble flume]

I think the layout was alright, the problem at the time was the insane suspects

[toxic harness]

I do wish we can infiltrate an abandoned church with a creepy basement with the prayer for its creation

That would fit more with the OG suspects lowkey

[chilly thorn]

If the MLO comes back I hope they are in some kind of abandoned rustic bunker

[tired jungle]

Their behavior is still more or less the same, only the parameters have been changed since. You still get stupid situations where in pitch black darkness a suspect sees you through a small crack on a wall from 50 meters and starts beaming you through a pillar

[toxic harness]

If not, remake that abandoned church into either of the following:

• The Hand shot up the Church
• The church is a hidden ground for supplying child photos

If they chose the first one, it could relate to that Christchurch shooting

[marble flume]

Oh, that's not an occasional thing, literally every suspect has perfect vision and can see you in complete darkness from a single pixel lmao

[tired jungle]

Old vineyard just showed the flaws of the ai too clearly and that's probably why it's cut

[restive mulch]

MLO arc where you arrest their leader who’s called the yellow king because that would be a badass reference

[tired jungle]

Though that didn't prevent them from making hard mode which is an even more obvious way of showing how bad it is

[toxic harness]

I do wish RoN tackles the Christchurch shooting as that one is the deadliest church shooting. It would be nice considering we have Pulse Club for Neon Tomb

[marble flume]

Hard mode is genuinely just the 1.0 AI, basically

[restive mulch]

or maybe the 2011 Norway attacks where you go to a summer camp and have to stop the hand or a similar western terror group

it does feel a little weird using real shootings as set dressing for a video game actually maybe scratch that

[toxic harness]

They could def expand the Hand's arc by also showcasing real life shootings

[restive mulch]

feels a little insensitive

[tired jungle]

You know the thing i don't like about hard mode is the lower stun duration. Like you expect me to believe mfs can be hit directly with a flash launcher and after 3 seconds they can be back to shooting near perfect shots on full auto at max draw distance

[marble flume]

4 seconds, to be pedantic, but it IS pretty crazy lmao

Hard suspects can shrug a beanbag in 1.5 fucking seconds

[toxic harness]

Elephant - Columbine Shooting
Neon Tomb - Pulse Club Shooting
Carriers of the Vine - Waco Siege

[restive mulch]

ok?

[chilly thorn]

I honestly doubt the hand would shoot up a church they seem to more hate America than a religion

[tired jungle]

I mean the only thing taken from waco is the cult on a farm house thing and that's it

[marble flume]

They pick the nightclub as its basically "everything wrong with western culture"

[toxic harness]

That's true

But if the Hand will attack again, it would have a different leader as their main guy got caught twice in the club and in the hospital

[marble flume]

More parallels than that, IMO; said cult seems rather prepared for the end times, which the guys at Waco were also prepped for

[restive mulch]

It’s time to switch terrorist groups tbh

[chilly thorn]

I would say if the hand is going to plan another attack it would probably be a Metro station as they would probably be able to hit the most casualties and it would be pretty easy to box civilians in there

[toxic harness]

If the Hand will rise again with the remaining of people, they will do it from there which it could enable different goals so we could get different ideas

[tired jungle]

Idk about that

[chilly thorn]

The hand appears only twice I would say them getting some sort of “finale for the faction” wouldn’t be to crazy

[toxic harness]

It would be dumb having the same leader operating again if his dumbass get caught twice

[marble flume]

I mean, definitely less parallels than the Nightclub or College mission, but I'd still have to say its a Waco reference

[restive mulch]

the finale was catching qadamah again and probably sending him off to the feds

[toxic harness]

You also have Eco Terrorists. People who are extreme with environment that they shot up a fucking Oil Rig

[marble flume]

Also, considering this guy is supposed to be under medical care, how can this dude eat an entire load of buckshot and not just die instantly

[restive mulch]

the gods of yemen protect him

[toxic harness]

But yeah I would not mind RoN tackling more real life shootings as we already have some in game

And ofc will not mind making up scenarios if not wanting to do real life shootings

As long as it can tell a story and bring chills to our spines

[restive mulch]

using real shootings for shock value isn’t cool

[toxic harness]

It depends how they do it tho. It's not just shock value but rather showing the reality

Shock Value does come off as cheap if there is no reason to be there

Which in retrospect, Elephant has like no connection in the Los Sueños lore

[restive mulch]

elephant was a cheaply made mission made to bring publicity to RON and nothing more

[toxic harness]

But they also made Neon Tomb at the same time and it did kinda expand the Hand group

[marble flume]

I mean I don't really care about anything that happens in this game

[toxic harness]

I would not mind that the shooters are Gerard's coworkers that wanted to shoot up the school that Judge went or something idk

I wonder if there will be a mission based on the Iranian Embassy operation. That would be cool

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but the hospital map is trash

[marble flume]

based

[toxic harness]

Damn. my message is gone

[marble flume]

There's also Ends of the Earth, but its honestly kinda off that so many missions DO connect

[chilly thorn]

I unironically think it’s the most boring uninspired map in the game it feels like it’s trying to capture what Swat 4 did with its hospital but just fails in every way

[toxic harness]

Ends of the Earth is kinda like a supply that people would illegal mod their guns

Which explains why Hard Suspects would just shoot you fast

[chilly thorn]

I would go as far to relapse is a worse designed map then greased palms because even though greased palms has a terrible layout it’s still feels cool as it’s carried by the music

Relapse has a terrible layout and no cool music

[toxic harness]

Greased Palms on Hard is a nightmare mess while I was able to Standard A rank first try on Commander mode

[chilly thorn]

Yes it’s bullshit but that’s better than being boring

[toxic harness]

Maybe reducing the bomb timer would make it better...

[chilly thorn]

Relapse should have been pitch black and way more of a terrifying blood bath with blood coating the walls and it just being an absolute massacre

That would probably end up being the one of the scarier missions in the game

[toxic harness]

I feel like we haven't seen any real patients in Relapse. Just both Civilian Nurse and Imposter Nurse

[chilly thorn]

Like am I meant to believe everyone in the hospital escaped or died keep in mind it was overflowed due to the neon attack and there like max 20 corpses on that map

[toxic harness]

RoN topics consist of:
60% Child Stuff
20% Active Shootings
10% Trafficking
5% Drug Dealings
3% Conspiracy
2% Immigrations

[rustic jackal]

that is why I leave zahir for last and spawn at the parking entrance

[rustic jackal]

It would be sick to have some members of the left behind there and have them be civs that can pick up guns

[toxic harness]

Those civis could be relatives or vets who are on break from work

[rustic jackal]

It connects with greased

[restive mulch]

relapse should be reworked or scrapped for something else

[toxic harness]

Reworked to what?

[restive mulch]

a better mission obviously

[toxic harness]

Well fucking how?

[marble flume]

It does? Honestly I don't know or even really care about the lore of this game

[restive mulch]

do basically everything relapse does but the opposite

[chilly thorn]

More like 80% conspiracy and 20% cops aren’t actually that good at their jobs

[marble flume]

Fucking anything lmao, clearing five floors of terrorists with some crazy angles AND two bombs AND s vests on Hard is abysmal and makes Hide and Seek look easy

[rustic jackal]

yes the mysterious caller is John Adam’s and the kids guns are being used and shipped there as well as in Buy Cheap Buy twice, the dealership being a piece of why you go on hide and seek

[lapis shuttle]

anyone know what are the best traits to have for hard mode S ranking?

[chilly thorn]

Relapse is also WAY to easy for a second to last map

[crude prism]

Void every time someone says "most of the game is about CP" and it's the plot behind 3/26 levels.

[rustic jackal]

Is it cooked that I find relapse easier than greased on hard 😭

[toxic harness]

I have the mindset as non RoN players as I remember they cry about censorship when most of them is alter evidences that involved kids lmao

[marble flume]

Not really? I had an easier time with Palms actually; I sent all my SWAT allies ahead until they all died lmao

On Relapse, the suspects use MUCH stronger guns

[rustic jackal]

bro the shawty with the rpd always scares me

[marble flume]

The CP is probably the most vile crime in the game, and censoring that really hurts the impact of those missions IMO

[rustic jackal]

she don’t let go of that trigger

[chilly thorn]

It’s only censored in console to be fair and I doubt void really had a choice

[toxic harness]

I just headcanon that she'sone of Qadarmah's relatives

[marble flume]

Also, censoring the CP isn't exactly a good idea right now considering the current... political climate, lets say

[toxic harness]

ROBLOX!!!!!

[rustic jackal]

yeah Roblox the next voll

[toxic harness]

I MUST INFILTRATE ROBLOX HEADQUARTERS IN RON!!!!

[marble flume]

I meant the Epstein thing honestly lmao, but that too

[lapis shuttle]

why are y'all mad that they removed cp??

[toxic harness]

Epstein Island in RoN when?

[rustic jackal]

there wasn’t CP in the game and most people are upset about either the impact the missions had and or the fact that they removed content that was actually in the game previously

[chilly thorn]

On console im pretty sure its still very heavily implied that voll is doing what he’s doing

Did they change the briefing at all as it just flat out says what he’s getting arrested for

[rustic jackal]

bruh I got nerfed by a blimp

[rustic jackal]

It still says child pizza in briefing

[chilly thorn]

Eh then I don’t really see that much of an issue honestly the players that actually care will still understand and probably just look up the pc version

[toxic harness]

who wants pizza

[restive mulch]

im buying so cheap rn

[toxic harness]

Buy Cheap Buy Twice

[restive mulch]

she carrying my vine rn

[chilly thorn]

That mission is one of my favorites honestly

Feels like the only remastered map that’s a direct upgrade from the original in every way

[twin musk]

its not that they removed it, we're mad bc we're afraid of how much they can get away with removing anything else

first it was weapons, then it was certain maps and parts of the lobby area
now its this

[chilly thorn]

They aren’t removing anything else they said multiple times they said they wouldn’t and all the shit you said was just development that’s how games work

[toxic harness]

I forget that mission exist

[crude prism]

what?

[twin musk]

they havent bothered to fix the constant bugs and glitches in the game, nor have they bothered to fix the command system which still fcks up sometimes

if you disagree, thats fine.
but im at the end of my tether here

[chilly thorn]

Yes that’s an issue but them removing the old police station ain’t a big deal

[restive mulch]

this could be a new record for time lasted without some buffoons bringing up censorship

[crude prism]

seek christ

[toxic harness]

that sounded so wrong so bad

Im gonna apologize to everyone

[crude prism]

now you're making me look weird without the context

[toxic harness]

LMAO

[restive mulch]

seek carcosa

[chilly thorn]

Like void is stupid but I genually don’t think these devs got like any malicious intent at all

[toxic harness]

It's hard to find the line between edgy people and regular ron fans

[twin musk]

the censorship was just business lol, thats why the console port was made in the first place, to appeal to Sony and Xbox

idk why it went to PC too tho

[toxic harness]

I would not exist if it doesn't come out

[twin musk]

they couldve made a toggle for it, but eh whatever

[chilly thorn]

Maybe they couldn’t have it’s unreal five so maybe it’s just that stupid with how it treats two different games versions because the engine is lowkey shit

[twin musk]

not the end of the world, but the game does need a massive bug fix or smn

[twin musk]

thats a fair point tbh

[lapis shuttle]

crossplay wouldnt work if both the versions are different

[toxic harness]

Me when I see bug issues, but learn they use Unreal Engine

No wonder other game companies use their own engines to do specific stuff that is otherwise impossible for Unity and Unreal

[chilly thorn]

I think this games needs overhaul like ultrakill got just solely focusing on npc animations and removing ai assets

[toxic harness]

Yeah, if Ultrakill can do it,RoN csn do it

[twin musk]

are the AI stuff only art pieces in the game?

[toxic harness]

yeah

[chilly thorn]

Also this game needs better gore the current gore is genually shit like it just looks bad

[twin musk]

like 21 megabites mission

[toxic harness]

Ai Art for 23MB would make sense tho

[lapis shuttle]

the gore is decent with the shotgun but non existent with other weapons

[chilly thorn]

Like a lot of the art isn’t ai but a lot
Is and it’s still
A problem

[toxic harness]

But other missions should have real art

[twin musk]

I didnt say it was a big problem but thats smn they could revert quite easily......

just a quick cut and paste

[chilly thorn]

The gore is shit there is one model for different limbs and that’s it it doesn’t even change depending on the characters skin tone

[restive mulch]

I hate cheryessa farm

[lapis shuttle]

do you guys have the bug where AI doesn't respond to commands?

[chilly thorn]

The gore in this game used to be amazing but they downgraded it after the move to ue5 and still NEVER FIXED IT

[twin musk]

yup

still happens sometimes

search and secure still bugs out

[toxic harness]

UE4 is cool

Server is so dead 🥀

240.6K members but nobody chat. Server hella cooked

good thing i do play multiplayer

[marsh lark]

Well, Americans are going to sleep and Europeans are starting to just wake up

[toxic harness]

I prefer BF6

I made a mistake. I fixed it right away

Right now... I just gotta S rank all dlcs again cuz the damn ps achievements are bugged

Like fym 55% finished when I just need one more fucking achievement lol

[twin musk]

lol yea EA and Ubisoft can go suck a dck

EA closed my account for no reason, its been 3 months since i last emailed them
Ubisoft is Ubisoft