👮ron-discussion

[stable kernel]

Los Pollos Hermanos confirmed in RoN

Do not fact check that statement

All chicken restaurants are derivative from Breaking Bad, you can't dispute otherwise

[amber dock]

I will

Eman is right

[bitter mason]

I am very sure the og story for fast food was breaking bad inspired

I remember it having to do with the meth story line

[stable kernel]

Los Locos recently got Gus on the payroll and have opened a new location in Los Suenos, and this is at the point where Gus is moving the baby blue

It's all coming together

[amber dock]

He is right

Eman is so smart

When it comes to ron lore

[bitter mason]

From the looks of that map tho I don't think it quite lives up to gus' standards

Very run down

[marble sequoia]

the Devs will take care of it my cousins Bf works for void

cant go wrong when its free

https://tenor.com/view/shovel-bhad-bhabie-digging-desert-gif-24982218

were is my i got the in side scoop

[limber night]

Man seeing the footage of that fast food map doesn't give me hope as for some reason Void still fucks up the lighting

I just hope it won't be Yacht all over again

That one had so many issues with it's lighting

[gentle void]

How does TOC know the suspects have taken hostages?

[wraith basin]

With cameras

[gentle void]

then why he doesnt give info on suspects locations

[wraith basin]

bored ig

[valid leaf]

for those who have played both.. is insurgency sandstorm a good comparison to ready or not?

[tacit gull]

I don't think so

insurgency is a semi-competitive game with a focus on good gunplay and larger scale conflicts

It's mainly a PVP game and ron isn't

[amber dock]

Not really, Sandstorm is cod but with more realistic aspects

[craggy loom]

why does the 15th feel like so far away

[amber dock]

Like small hud,low ttk, etc

[cursive minnow]

Cause you're counting the days. Distract yourself with something and it'll go by faster.

[valid leaf]

Ahh gotcha, if you had to compare the guns how do they differentiate??

[amber dock]

Sandstorm guns have more recoil for sure due to PvP and balancing etc while Ron guns generally have the same

And this is just me but in sandstorm guns don’t feel as punchy compared to Ron

Like in Ron a single bullet feels like it actually has strong impact

But in sandstorm it feels kinda spongey on some guns

[valid leaf]

Ooh, that makes sense

[amber dock]

I love both games but can’t be compared to each other really

[tacit gull]

I think ron's guns suck minus the sound

[valid leaf]

yeah alright I was just playing sandstorm and legot can't wait for ron to come out so I wanted to feel something similar lol thanks heaps

[amber dock]

Sandstorm is deffo more fun and easier to get into since it requires less thinking and strats. You can mess around more there whether it’s PVE or PVP

[tacit gull]

I dunno about that, in ron you don't have smokes, technicals, classes which have special tools, a loadout point system, weight, suppression

The attachments in ron barely make a difference where in insurgency they can basically make or break your loadout

[amber dock]

But Sandstorm teaches you the basics very well compared to Ron

Sandstorm tutorial is actually well made

And there is firing range where you can test everything galore

[tacit gull]

Well yeah but the game being shit at teaching you puddle deep mechanics doesn't give it more depth

[amber dock]

Not really, most attachments in PVP are banned or locked so everyone roughly brings the same

[silver palm]

Because you keep thinking about it

[tacit gull]

No they aren't?

[amber dock]

Ext mags are banned

Point shooting grip is banned

[craggy loom]

yeah because i spent my hard earned money on pre order

[tacit gull]

That's 2 attachments... that are just exclusive to the coop because they don't fit in PVP

extended mags are available on certain guns

[amber dock]

No because they would be too op in PVP

[bitter mason]

insurgency is pvp RON isnt

[tacit gull]

which is exactly why i said it can make or break your loadout

[amber dock]

But it’s your opinion

Can’t fault with that

[silver palm]

Preorder the day before next time 😎

[bitter mason]

insurgency is much faster paced too despite being "tactical"

[craggy loom]

no

then id have no money

[silver palm]

😔

[amber dock]

Only tactical thing about it is no healing,low ttk etc

Anything else is same like cod

[bitter mason]

yeah Im not a fan of insurgency pvp because of that

I usually just play the coop but its pretty mindless

the shooting is fun enough to make me enjoy coop tho

[tacit gull]

I don't remember people setting up with an lmg class and mowing down entire teams pushing in through a chokepoint in cod

[white forge]

Hi peeps

[amber dock]

Coop is deffo fun cause you can just mindlessly walk around and do dumb stuff

Just don’t tk teammates and most won’t care what you do

[bitter mason]

hardcore coop is great with friends too

[craggy loom]

then i would buy something else whilst waiting

[amber dock]

Community servers are great too

[white forge]

Ended up pre ordering the Ron on ps5 any begginer tips?

[amber dock]

Too bad game uses Mod io

[bitter mason]

yeah I'd play the modded servers more if mod.io didnt take so long to download mods

[amber dock]

Play the tutorial is first step, it’s not amazing but teaches you the basics

[bitter mason]

He shouldnt, he also shouldnt instantly know when you've broken ROE too really

[white forge]

Bet i appreciate u

[amber dock]

One map is like 2gb and servers use like all modded maps so it’s gonna take along time

Can get married in that time

Also Sandstorm has fun goofy game modes

Like frenzy or pistols only etc

My fav is hot potato and frenzy combined

And also

It has a A10. What more do you need

https://tenor.com/view/a10-warthog-brrrrt-freedom-jet-gif-17302187

[craggy loom]

whats an A10

[amber dock]

The plane in the gif

[bitter mason]

plane with biiiig gun for ground support

[craggy loom]

just a plane

[bitter mason]

its called an A10 warthog

[amber dock]

What do you want it to be? A spaceship?

[bitter mason]

look up videos of it

[amber dock]

It’s a military aircraft

[craggy loom]

doesnt look special

[craggy loom]

a warthog is the car from Halo

[amber dock]

How do you want it to look? Like a falcon?

[bitter mason]

yes

[craggy loom]

?

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-gif-20613074

AC130 doesn’t look that special eh

[craggy loom]

wait

[cursive minnow]

https://youtu.be/eueD578BB5U

[bitter mason]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U8LN_wgzWsY

[craggy loom]

i think i have that plane in gta online

[amber dock]

This is my gender

[bitter mason]

it is in GTA online I believe

[amber dock]

Called the the

[bitter mason]

well a plane based off of it

[amber dock]

Too bad the minigun is ass

I bought it and got disappointed

[craggy loom]

yeah its quite good

can hold 16 people at once

[bitter mason]

oh the AC130 yeah thats in gta5
The A10 is aswell

[craggy loom]

16 people is like half the lobby

[amber dock]

GTA online has basically every western military aircraft ish

Or based off at least

Apache,ah6,A10,F16,AC130,osprey,

Probs more that I’m forgetting

Then they also have the flying bike thing

Yuck

[bitter mason]

icky

[craggy loom]

great vehicle

[amber dock]

I miss old days when the coolest thing you could own was the Bugatti

Or stealing jet from military base

[craggy loom]

its called the Titan 250 D

[amber dock]

That special ramp

[craggy loom]

opressor mk1 is a great vehcile though, great to get around, good fun and good for pvp

[bitter mason]

the mk2 and that flying car are just super out of place really

[craggy loom]

raiju is pretty cool aswell

[craggy loom]

deluxo is good, mk2 does not belong

i hate this bike so much

i tried to get on it and it just flung me

[marble sequoia]

RON puts that game body cam to shame

[tacit gull]

I mean ron is an actual developed game and bodycam is an asset flip

[craggy loom]

how

both look great

[tacit gull]

bodycam is terrible

[split tree]

So what will console performance be like? Have they said yet?

[tacit gull]

I mean the new console videos look fine in terms of performance

[split tree]

What videos?

I'm just wondering how it'll run on seires S which is where I play

[amber dock]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[gentle void]

ROE could be informed by the team, but again not like they inform about it

I was thinking about this feature:
Whenever the team lead breaks ROE, e.g kills a civ the team should stop listening to his commands or something like that

any thoughts?

[bitter mason]

If you break it very badly like kill a civ the team already turn on you

[sand hull]

RON on console actually looks good

like the controls look good

[tiny quail]

are we ready for ronsole

[sand hull]

i’m worried slightly less

commanding teammates and civs (and swapping grenades) i’m yet to see, which is my main worry

but otherwise…

[sand hull]

i’m so Ready (or Not)

[tiny quail]

you're talking about controls for the console?

the pc version already has controller support, that's how i mainly play now as im mostly used to controller

the command wheel is fine if you take your time to get used to it

can be quick and snappy if you remember the command position

[west sand]

when was dark waters released? i want to make sure the mods will work on the ue5

[amber dock]

Dec 2024

[sand hull]

that’s ideal. I assume that the controls will be the same between PC controller support and Console.

[west sand]

thank you so much

[tiny quail]

for gameplay wise, basically rainbow six siege, lean with r3 and l3

basically if you're familiar with fps on controller that more or less similiar to it

square to reload, hold square to check mag

[sand hull]

very very glad it’s like that.
My worry with it is all of the intricate little details like weapon ready positions, flashlight/laser, NODS.

[knotty marsh]

anyone got $3 twin?

[sand hull]

no sprint and crouch being useless gives me hope that leaning can be performed outside of ADS

[tiny quail]

if i remember correctly, the dpad handles things like nods and flashlight, but it also differs if you're aiming, so you can put nvgs on when not aiming, and also aim canted while holding aim, all using the same dpad

[sand hull]

i saw that in Shayne, Please Shut Up’s video.
Very good way of doing it i’d say. Weapon ready position kinda got me confused because i don’t understand how they’ll let you choose between weapon up and weapon down with one button.
Not that it’ll affect gameplay, just nit-picky little things like that

[tiny quail]

it's basically a toggle thing, like in keyboard, space to ready down, then space again to ready up

for controller case, im pretty sure it's dpad down

[sand hull]

see that’s where i kinda get iffy,
If it’s a toggle, would that mean that i have to press D-pad down 3 times to cycle all the way through?

[tiny quail]

cycle through the ready stance? it only has two states no? lowered and ready, the position of pointing up and pointing down depends on your settings, but otherwise doesn't add anything

[pine drum]

It makes you move slightly faster and that can be the difference between life or death.

[tiny quail]

oh yeah

[tacit gull]

They don't let you switch between high ready and low ready, it's a switch in the options menu

[pine drum]

Also, just muzzle discipline

[pine drum]

Spacebar Buddy

[tacit gull]

Spacebar only lets you switch to one of the two

[pine drum]

Oh, idk what you're saying then.

Oh wait nvm, yeah no I prefer low ready over high.

[shell bridge]

Same

better to shoot someone in the feet accidentally than someone in the head

yeah trigger discipline exists, but just to play it safer

[pine drum]

Also, my father who worked for Blackwater said you don't do high ready because you might accident friendly fire low flying aircraft

[sand hull]

OHHHHH i see, i get you. that’s my bad 😭
I imagined it’d be more complicated, thank you for explaining 😭

[sand hull]

Yeah that’s ideal, thank you.
i thought it’d be rougher to deal with

[bitter mason]

I think it would be very funny if they censor Gerards dingaling with love heart underwear on console

[pine drum]

I find it weird we haven't gotten a level yet where someone is having a mental health crisis. Closest we get is Gerard but even then, it's more anti social behavior.

[livid kite]

How do you text the ps5 creator

[pine drum]

Like something where we would actually want to take them in alive to get then help.

[livid kite]

For ready or not

On ps5

[amber dock]

What

[livid kite]

I will put the ps5 ready or not on my YouTube channel

And get people more hyped

[tacit gull]

You can buy the game when it comes out, you will not get it early

[tawny basalt]

If I pre order it can I play on console??

[amber dock]

What? If you preorder then yes you’re getting it on console

[tawny basalt]

Ok so I can pre order it and play it before it fully releases

[amber dock]

Then no

No early play testing is planned

15th of July for everyone

[tawny basalt]

Ok

Thank you

[jolly jackal]

Why has this game not fixed the twisted nerve/relapse evidence bugs?

Despite my teams countless attempts on both, we are always missing some evidence, even when there is none to be found after multiple full building searches

[bitter mason]

It's not soft objectives you're missing is it?

[tacit gull]

The game hasn't been updated since

[lone cloud]

literally just ran thru these levels and had no issues finding everything works fine on my computer

dont forget evidence locations are client sided so someone might see it somewhere else/more accessible

[tacit gull]

No, twisted nerve can just spawn evidence that you will never be able to collect

I don't remember exactly what the problem was but i think it had something to do with knife suspects

same thing on dorms

[brisk scaffold]

The updates twice a year us BS

6 months between updates 😦

[lone cloud]

just ask ron not to do that and it works fine

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-shocked-cat-side-eye-weird-gif-6628997367095455284

[jolly jackal]

As unfortunate as that is it makes the endgame unfinishable for the most part

Unless you get incredibly lucky with how the evidence spawns or like in Twisted Nerve, knives falling under the map

[strange depot]

You all aren’t ready for this game

[upbeat shore]

Looks at 996 hours steam playtime

https://tenor.com/view/by-god-hes-right-jimbo-south-park-he-has-a-point-he-is-correct-gif-21537933

[prisma moth]

can anybody help with crashes?

[strange depot]

Probably your mods conflicting

[prisma moth]

they are all post 10th sep only on i can imagine conflicting is the gc36c one

[cursive minnow]

If you're crashing with a corrupt data error, it's likely due to your mods. Conflicting mods usually don’t cause crashes, but outdated ones can. To avoid issues, make sure mods are updated on or after December 10, 2024, though some exceptions work if updated on or after July 23, 2024.

[prisma moth]

Not getting any kind of debug

[cursive minnow]

Does the game work in safe mode/when you have no mods in your paks folder?

[prisma moth]

yes

[cursive minnow]

Then it's your mods.

[prisma moth]

most if not all are from the starter pack

[cursive minnow]

Post a screenshot of your paks folder showing all of your mods in #💻tech-support and maybe I, or someone else can pick out which of them is bad.

[prisma moth]

posting

[narrow dew]

When is mp pvp dropping like the old swat 4 game

[cursive minnow]

Unknown but it's not believed to be dropping any time soon.

[strange depot]

PvP is at the lowest priority if at all. Void wants ready or not to be in a healthy place (more money) 💰

[desert island]

pvp

[drifting sand]

Maybe I've got it mixed up, but was there some mention of making the AI use semi auto fire instead of full auto in some situations?

[desert island]

i think they use "semi" depending on their stress

where they just shoot if they see u vs just shooting forever no matter what

[sand hull]

i can’t wait to play RoN for the first time

you could say, i’m Ready (or Not)

[pine drum]

Question,

[desert island]

Answer,

[pine drum]

How many Megabytes a Second of RAM does this game need.

[stable kernel]

69 dedidaded wam per second

[amber dock]

Are you having a stroke?

Smile for me

[stable kernel]

[amber dock]

Eman….

[prisma moth]

are there any good fbi hrt weapon mods?

[desert island]

how many shots does helmet and ballistic mask take from 7.62

1?

[cursive minnow]

Believe so the google doc spread sheet in the pinned messages explains all of that in great detail, just look at the "Armor, Vests, Helmets" section.

[limber night]

None afaik

The closest u can get is Doughnut URGI tbf

Theoretically you can get the Ballistic or Doughnut superduty to work, but I'm too lazy to explain how to

[still willow]

I explode and ready or not blooms from my place

[bitter mason]

wait is the spread sheet saying wearing no helmet has the same protection as wearing one

[hardy thistle]

Hi guys a little question why every gun modder are chinesse ?

[amber dock]

i don't really know if I would call everyone that but

probs just a huge market for that

[hardy thistle]

Oh ok

👍🏻 Thanks for responding

[desert island]

yeah if u headshot a helmetless swat they dont die on first hit

and if u shoot them with a pistol it doesnt kill them until their invisible helmet breaks

[crude prism]

classic Voop

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[hardy thistle]

where i can see this ?

[crude prism]

pinned spreadsheet for now, but we're writing up a wikigg for Ready Or Not
(that's where screengrab is from)

[hardy thistle]

Ok thanks ❤️

[pine drum]

That's fucking dumb.

[desert island]

helmet and nohelmet lets u take 2 pistol shots or 1 rifle shot
helmet+mask lets u take 4 pistol shots or 1 rifle shot?

[crude prism]

this is likely getting changed, DLC2 changed the helmet/accessory options to be split up
(for pairing gas mask with NVG and the like, which was not possible before)

which also broke like most of the paperdoll helmet combinations

[pine drum]

Ah, must of bugged it.

[covert aurora]

https://ready-or-not.fandom.com/wiki/Ready_or_Not_Wiki what about here?

[desert island]

actually did they change it so ballistic mask is stronger than gasmask now

so gasmask doesnt give ur head more armor now

gasmask guy can survive 2 7.62 headshots
ballisticmask guy can survive 3 7.62 headshots

[crude prism]

you can ask @waxen bay about the status of the fandom wiki stuff, he knows more than I do

easier for us to write up one we have full control over

[desert island]

oh shit he actually survives 4 7.62 headshots and dies on 5th

[covert aurora]

Fair enough

[amber dock]

Wiki fell off

imo

[desert island]

wiki still in alpha

[cursive minnow]

I was from the understanding that back then gas mask had the same level of protection as ballistic mask but now seems it has 0 protection against bullets according to the google spreadsheet in the pinned messages.

[desert island]

i remember when grenade launchers 1 shotted swats

[amber dock]

I thought they still do

[warped cave]

Someone give me the best loadout for S rank on relapse, I need it i'm desperate lmao

[desert island]

they dont do any damage to swats now

[warped cave]

I'm determined to get S rank all the way

[desert island]

beanbag 4-6 mags, nopistolammo, 4-6gasnades, mirrorgun/gaslauncher, heavyarmorceramicfull

u can give SWAT AI
beanbag 4-6mags, nopistolammo, 1 flashbang, 1stinger, 2gas, mirrorgun, heavyarmorceramic

and i guess a wedge if u use those

premptively gas the open locations that have a high probability of a suspect spawn

and then mirror to check small areas so u dont need guess

i recommend only bringing 1 grenade type so u dont get confused in a panic situation

[crude prism]

bro wtf why is that image fucked, pls hold

[desert island]

7.62 doing 1 durability damage but u got 3 durability but takes 5 shots to kill

nvm maybe i was too close and hit them in the chest

[desert island]

so helmet + ballistic mask = 2 health
7.62 does 1 health per hit
7.62 shots to kill = 3

[crude prism]

ye

the options are not additive, it's just "2" for ballistic mask

Not 1 durability + 2 durability

[desert island]

guh i just shot swan in the head 3 tiems and hes still alive

ok i shot eli in the head 3 times and hes also still alive

[crude prism]

war thunder experience in RoN

[desert island]

so 25% chance to not do damage

oh 33%

thats crazy

[crude prism]

yeah you can technically be an epic gambler and roll like 100 hits in a row

[desert island]

helmetless swat runs in and catches all bullets with his teeth

[crude prism]

[desert island]

need to powerscale judge

[marble sequoia]

wil ron every support VR AIM CONTROLLER?

[amber dock]

no

[cursive minnow]

What do you mean by vr aim controller? just aiming with your VR controllers? because yea probably won't do it officially but you can do so with a mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3612 Note: This is only a profile for the main mod everything you need is linked in the mod page description.

[marble sequoia]

yea because i seen a youtube video this dude had one that sh@# was sick man i dident know ps had one and it only supports like 5 games DOOM is one off them and boarderlanders or what evey its called.

yea thats what i mean

[desert island]

prbly wuld hav to nerf suspect aim by like 50% if ur using VR aim

[cursive minnow]

I mean due to the way it's set up you practically have no recoil in VR so you can just laser any enemy.

[desert island]

no sway and no deadzone

[frail osprey]

are there gonna be smaller missions for this game? every mission it seems there is a squad of elite delta force operators posing as security that can headshot me without looking and who would be hiring like 15 people to kill cops with

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-finger-gif-16008816

D boys

[keen galleon]

can we change FOV on consoles ?? hate when fps games dont have that options

[frail osprey]

also the security dudes are on drugs or something cause i tased one of them until i ran out of ammo, he still refused so i just decided to shoot him in the head

[desert island]

taser just sucks

[frail osprey]

oh

[desert island]

beanbag, grenades, grenadelaunchers r the best at killing their morale

[urban thistle]

in my experience, the tazer is very hit or miss. like you gotta be right on top of them for it to work and even then its 50/50

[desert island]

in my experience flashbang launcher is a 100% surrender

[frail osprey]

I wasn't going for nonlethal, i just didnt wanna go beat him in hte middle of hte hallway

well next time ill just kill on sight i guess

[crude prism]

tazer is great with it's long and guaranteed stun, but yes, suspect morale can be funky

(also the tazer has a special, extra strong melee effect, so make use of it when possible!)

[desert island]

tazer is just proof the cop isnt gona kill u so keep fighting

[crude prism]

the 50,000 volts in question

[desert island]

wat happens if u hit a teammate with the tazer

do they get any effects

[urban thistle]

screen goes weird and they cant shoot

thats if ur talking about online co-op. with the AI teammates in singleplayer, not sure haven't tried it

[crude prism]

yeah it's not fun, zap zap

[desert island]

is there going to be a shortest to longest weapon comparison in the spreadsheet

like is the F90 actually shorter than the g36 the way its carried

[bold sky]

if you use canted sight frequently rn quite sure f90 in game is longer than g36

the gun model/ barrel length while aiming has a significantly more clear cut impact when you use canted sight; g36 canted sight is not usable at long range while most rifles in this game you can still use it even if you have to adjust your aim a bit

scars and fal for example have a very great time with canted sight (albeit they have crap recoil so have to play single shot), bc they have long barrel and their gun model is fairly clean when canted

[crude prism]

will probably add this to the wiki, there's a value for it somewhere, I just don't have it on hand

[waxen bay]

@jolly verge re: fandom wikis. long story short: reached out to admins, ~~most ~~ all are inactive and agree with a port. a lot of orphaned articles and outdated/speculative info. wiki.gg offers a better foundation in terms of templates, a fresh start, and isn't riddled by ads

[covert aurora]

That's very fair

[waxen bay]

thanks to MMMM's efforts, a lot of really good mechanics info is on the new wiki. working on adding/refreshing as much as possible (a lot of articles haven't been updated since EA) and making it an accessible source of info in time for console release.

if anyone here is interested in contributing before it goes public, feel free to reach out!

[crude prism]

we'll get everything done just in time for it to be invalidated by the console update

such is the "keeping up with updates" lifecycle

[covert aurora]

xD

sounds about right

[waxen bay]

don't worry steel armor will always be bugged

[crude prism]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[jolly jackal]

Nobody moves faster in this game than an untrained skinny female cultist with a G3

[crude prism]

*professional track star with a G3

[jolly jackal]

How is it bugged

[crude prism]

TLDR, just use ceramic armor. Steel is both heavier and less effective in the current patch. (this should be fixed with the console update, in theory)

[urban tulip]

Remember slow is fast and fast is slow. You should only move as fast as you can shoot accurately!

[covert aurora]

^ 100% this! Tho i mainly use the saying of slow is smooth, smooth is fast. but, it's the same saying

[urban tulip]

Yep!

[glass saffron]

I fear anyone using the steel plates because of the fact if they take a bullet it could deal damage to me or our teammates

(If I’m thinking correctly)

[vague locust]

rip steel, used to love running front plate light armor steeeeeel

[warped cave]

are you gonna update this once the new update releases?

[covert aurora]

I can yes

I honestly forgot that i did that 🤣

Honestly i should update this for Dark Waters

since that was before the DLC release

[warped cave]

🙏

lol i was playing with my friends and i remembered "wait, didn't linch make a list?"

so i just looked up "thank you, come again february 3, 2025" and the list popped up

[covert aurora]

🤣

@warped cave and updated with dark waters levels

for those who want the techincal chronological mission order here is a list.

[warped cave]

Yay!

[covert aurora]

🙂

[warped cave]

dang LSPD went from operations 3 days in a row to none for a few months

[covert aurora]

mmmhmm

[warped cave]

crazy

[covert aurora]

home invasion was no rest for the wicked.

dark waters there was sometime in between

[fringe gate]

knowing that Neon Tomb and Relapse are canonically the first 2 after thank you come again makes bc it really kicks the sheer chaos we see in the rest the game

[covert aurora]

pretty much

[odd lava]

I always wondered why the missions aren't unlocked in chronological order

Seriously though, imagine being D Platoon and you just handled a seemingly normal (by Los Suenos standards) day of a gas station robbery turned into a situation above patrol paygrade, and then the next days are "Terrorists just shot up a night club." "Now those terrorists are shooting up a hospital and trying to blow it up."

[stable kernel]

Average day in LS

[odd lava]

I mean, to be honest, what's considered weird in a city where every week where's some shady ass classified fed activity and at least 5 local terrorist organizations has to be fucking crazy

[covert aurora]

current order is by difficulty order from least harderst to hardest

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/maury-well-now-what-do-we-have-gif-7993540099891454851

[covert aurora]

🤨

[odd lava]

Like imagine your daily existing being waking up and seeing the news paper go from "Gas station robbery escalates into SWAT firefight" to, in rapid succession "Nightclub attack kills 50 -> Hospital attack connected to nightclub massacre, polcie say -> Leader of all female cult involved in police raid is a former USIA Agent -> Former USIA Agent raided in home cabin after firefight with officers -> Veteran militia attempt to assassinate Senator -> Veteran militia take senator's whole family hostage after failed assassination attempt"

[odd lava]

Definitely not true

[covert aurora]

shrug

[odd lava]

Carriers of the Vine is a lot easier than a lot of the missions before it, I feel like the only case where it's really true is Thank you, Come Again and Hide and Seek

[cursive minnow]

Ordered by what void thinks is the "least hardest to hardest" difficulty

[covert aurora]

this is true

[stable kernel]

You cannot tell me twisted nerve, lethal obession, ends, and carriers are in the correct order

[crude prism]

"my first call, a robbery"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"finally, something normal"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"I don't think we're in Los Suenos anymore"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"don't fuck with the mail"
"at least weapon trafficking isn't a mass casualty event"
"arrested for being bad at video games OMEGALUL"
"Cheese Pizza 1"
"Cheese Pizza 2"
"Cheese Pizza Celebrity (this one is going in the history books)"
"thank god, just weapon trafficking again"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"breaking and entering? that only works on poor people"
"being homeless is illegal"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"this is the closest anyone in the LSPD is gonna get to a luxury cruise"
"oh shit, this one is going in the history books"
"oh shit, this one is getting redacted a lot"

Judge is involved in a lot of "once in a thousand career" events

[covert aurora]

my list is by in game date.

[stable kernel]

I meant the difficulty order

There are wild difficulty spikes for new players, and ends of the earth doesn't belong in the middle

[covert aurora]

i mean fair

[odd lava]

Like honestly, I'm pretty sure relapse is unlocked after sinuous trail, and I would argue the latter is harder than the former

[covert aurora]

@stable kernel my bad on the misunderstanding.

[crude prism]

you mean the first mission right? the one that gives suspects 100 round machine guns?

the calico in question

[covert aurora]

🤣

[crude prism]

it's possible for like 4 of them to spawn with calicos if you're unlucky enough

[stable kernel]

They have trash accuracy and usually wait to start blasting

[covert aurora]

gief calicos as usable weapons

[stable kernel]

And are spread enough for it to be a suitable enough first mission

[odd lava]

Lethal Obsession isn't really that difficult, but when I was first playing the game, I hated the fucking mission because I didn't realize I could check for traps because in my head I thought the traps were activated by opening the door itself through attachment to the handle and not tripwire. I felt like a fucking moron when I realized I was wrong

[stable kernel]

Minus the wack ass "gas station" layout

[stable kernel]

Exactly. New players don't have the same perspective or skills, so the list isn't correct for them. Veterans it is broadly more correct, minus ends obviously

[odd lava]

Granted, I'm still new considering the fact I learned that heavy armor is about coverage and not actual level or protection yesterday

[stable kernel]

Although I will say sins can be easy or very hard depending on suspect rng and how they behave

There are times where the suspects stay in their rooms and are good boys, and others where a mob pushes me

[crude prism]

the 3 lethal obsession dudes are still the most accurate suspects in the game and aim exclusively for upper chest/head
you WILL die in straight gunfights in like 2 frames sometimes

they are wildly above the skill gap of every other suspect
this plus traps = new player mogging session

[odd lava]

In my defense, I just thought if someone trapped their cabin for a last stand against police they'd connect grenades to the doorknobs with strings as opposed to tripwire on the ground

[crude prism]

yeah RoN could do a better job at preparing players for traps for sure

just something in the briefing along the lines of "make sure to check doorframes carefully before entering" and possibly a hint about peeking

the one TOC voiceline on spawn isn't enough, if it's your first time playing

there's SO many posts like "HOW DO I STOP EXPLODING"

[covert aurora]

i agree with this

[covert aurora]

i think the training should cover traps

[odd lava]

All it told me was that there were traps, they didn't tell me how to actually be cautious, and I ran into difficulty because I visualized different methods of traps than were present on the map. I learned where they were when I started using the mirror to find them and noticed they weren't actually above me

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[odd lava]

And even then, learning how to disarm them took me a while because I was worried if I peeked a trapped door it might still set off the explosion. I might just be stupid, though

[crude prism]

"beware of traps"

the trap in question

https://tenor.com/view/claymore-roomba-gif-1801248922901101280

[covert aurora]

🤣

[odd lava]

I still remember doing A Lethal Obsession, going "Huh, I wonder how the traps work. They're probably like shotgun traps." and then I instantaneously get turned into human conffetti upon opening the door

[stable kernel]

Ah shotgun traps

We need those

[covert aurora]

when did this become saw?

[cursive minnow]

They were a thing they were making but ultimately never added them.

[odd lava]

Tbf they'd be more of a gimmick to mess with new players, because one of the first lessons I learned about this game was that I should not immediately enter a room upon opening it

[stable kernel]

Poor idea to do anyway since there are people with guns with a 100ms reaction time (most of the time)

[cursive minnow]

Wasn't there someone who added shotgun traps to a modded map way back when?

[covert aurora]

maybe?

[odd lava]

A lesson I still have not learned is that just because I open a door and aim my sights on it does not mean I have faster reaction time than a suspect with eyes on the back of their fucking head

[odd lava]

I feel like on certain maps the current suspect AI makes sense, and on others they should really tweak morale

Groups like The Hand, Left Behind, etc being ready to die and just gun you down makes sense

Other times I find myself wondering why I feel like I'm fighting in a war zone with the limitation of I can not shoot first

[crude prism]

suspect pov

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/robotgirl-artificial-asco-tumblr-sophia-the-robot-gif-11518175241393192546

[odd lava]

I don't think I've ever seen a suspect miss a shot unless it was a circumstance where they got aggro at really far away and went full auto with an SMG

My S rank of Sinuous Trail almost caused me to burst a blood vessel

[cursive minnow]

Yea there was shotgun traps added to the old Hotel Raid Restoration mod by reaper.

[stable kernel]

Well, if it makes you feel better the current ai are 2-3 times more innacurate than when the game launched to 1.0

They do now have some compensation for long distance shooting to offset a wider cone

[odd lava]

Is every suspect in Los Suenos some kind of USIA experiment? Actually that would fit

[stable kernel]

Perhaps

We shall see what they do for the difficulty options next patch

[crude prism]

they're putting chemicals in the water that turn the drug addicts into gunslingers

[stable kernel]

I reckon easy will be far too easy, but idk other than that

[crude prism]

without additional AI behaviors, the only thing they could do would be to auto-stress every map, tighten accuracy, lower reaction times, and lower player health
(please god no)

praying on "hard" being more AI related than "we made you into glass"

[odd lava]

I feel like I should commit to S ranking every mission before the new difficulty system morally obligates me to do the hardest difficulty every time I go for an S rank

[stable kernel]

They can arbitrarily limit certain actions to difficulty, such as rally/pickup dropped weapons, supress, etc

Would require more programming work from them though, so idk if it will happen

[crude prism]

alternatively:

[stable kernel]

True

M32 plus 5.7 meta incoming

[crude prism]

why even bother bringing sidearm ammo when you can just bring more 40mm grenades?

[stable kernel]

I reckon it won't be one drum to one slot ratio

[odd lava]

See now, this would be a fun meta

[stable kernel]

Probably 2-3 shells per slot

[crude prism]

there is NO ratio that makes this NOT game breaking

[stable kernel]

Well you know

1:1 then

[odd lava]

I currently never play with a ballistic mask in multiplayer despite it being objectively better so I can show off my ski mask

[crude prism]

it's drip or drown baby

[shell bridge]

Nah gimme is milcore with 40mm HE grenade belt and then some. I'll make sure every suspect is neutralized forever.

[bitter mason]

Being able to take like one extra headshot doesn't really matter much when most suspects shoot you center mass

Just don't get hit

[crude prism]

Void could've literally introduced the M32A1 with stingers only and it would've been 99% a non-issue, because if you spam it, you and your team die from self damage

[odd lava]

See, I haven't developed the skillset for that. I typically will survive a mission with at least one or two dark red limbs, but I will survive

[bitter mason]

Yeah suspects are generally too accurate and trigger happy to avoid getting hit
Also one of the biggest problems being you'll still get perfectly wall banged if you try to fall back behind cover

I'd very much prefer suspects being less aggressive a bit slower to shoot you (like have them take at most one second) but the player is much less spongey

[odd lava]

Although, I do wonder

[bitter mason]

Have the player be hit less on average but when you are hit it's more punishing

[shell bridge]

Time for 10 more keybinds to peek gun and shoot like a madman like Tarkov

[odd lava]

I typically wear ceramic but I'm wondering if steel is a better choice because of how few maps you can expect not to get shot a lot

[bitter mason]

Nah ceramic is just better

[crude prism]

This is like, already how it is. Unless you're pulling agro on every single suspect with automatic fire lol

beanbag gaming is comically easy because except for 4 maps with pre-stress, most suspects hesitate/are not alerted

I'd be more open to health/armor changes if Void fixed existing issues first so we had a good foundation

[odd lava]

Isn't the trade off something like ceramic will absorb 4 shots completely, shatter, and then absorb 40% of the damage compared to steel which will never shatter, absorb 70% but never completely absorb, but make you move slower and will make you bleed more often because of spalling? (and also damage your team)

[bitter mason]

Not from my experience lol
If they hesitate it's fine but once they're stressed it's instantly shooting me while side strafing miles away at high speed and shooting me through walls

[bitter mason]

Idk if the spalling actually effects the wearer
But generally you would survive more with ceramic I think
Unless it's fixed damage calculation is broken and you take more damage than you should

[odd lava]

Beanbag is fun because when a suspect's doing "Do I surrender? Or do I not? Hahaha, I'm soooo unpredictable" I can just shoot them and not get an ROE violation without a mysterious bodycam malfunction

[bitter mason]

Also I really hate suspects charging the entry team
Makes sense for like, crack heads but pros and anyone with a brain should be finding places to hold up and watch doorways. But rn they usually just stand aimlessly in the worst places

[odd lava]

I personally still don't think I should get an ROE violation for shooting someone who has a fucking assault rifle backing away into cover

[bitter mason]

Gameplay

Roe hardly exists in this game anyways

[odd lava]

I mean it is surprisingly lax sometimes

[bitter mason]

You should see swat 4 I got an roe violation for shooting someone pulling out a pistol on me

[crude prism]

Splash wiki leak

[odd lava]

I have accidentally killed more suspects who surrender like 0.1 seconds after firing an entire burst at me than I would like to admit

and it's never violated ROE

[bitter mason]

Yeah roe was relaxed during the Adam update in early access and i don't think it was ever reverted

Since they mainly relaxed it because of it being buggy and hard to read

[crude prism]

DLC 3 is coming with even more "relaxed ROE", if you play on easy

[bitter mason]

Bruh the only way to break roe against suspects now is like shooting them when they're passive and don't know you are there or hesitating lmao

[odd lava]

Tbf, realistically speaking, if you're armed and SWAT is telling you to get on the ground, there are honestly very few things you can do that aren't that that result in you living a long life

[bitter mason]

Ofc but it's a game and I do like the unique loop of having a strict rule to follow

[crude prism]

this is definitely what it is going to be, this is literally baby mode

[bitter mason]

I'm glad difficulties are being added but now I know they're not going to actually make suspects better to play against

[fathom idol]

I mean you could run

[odd lava]

I've very rarely violated ROE unintentionally, and in most circumstances it was either a freak accident or someone moving behind cover with a rifle and me thinking that would be an acceptable firearm discharge

Like we're talking civilian flinging a door wide open and running right at me when I just barely survived a firefight kind of freak accident

[crude prism]

the blog post they made about adding more squad cohesion/offensive abilities to all maps for Hard mode is good

[crude prism]

the civi jumpscare gets everyone at least once

[bitter mason]

Yeah same I've really only gotten penalties from accidents or the game bugging out lol
I think certain levels should have relaxed roe like neon tomb, elephant, relapse and sins of the father but I would like some stricter roe for other levels, but suspects would have to play into it better like actually running away when they see you and hiding at times rather than always attacking if they don't hesitate

[bitter mason]

Hooray more lemming suspects to March down a corridor and die

[odd lava]

I still remember that time on Neon Tomb I had encountered so many suspects back to back that I saw someone in the fucking shadows wearing dark clothing just standing there, and it was only after I instinctually shot him I realized it was just a civilian in a black t-shirt

[bitter mason]

Honestly tho I'm fine if they make hard mode like a proper challenge and normal the intended way of playing

I just know for a fact people are gonna get elitist about the difficulty you play on

[crude prism]

there's already people that get elitist about playing with AI mods

"bro you don't even play with 60 suspects on every map?"

[odd lava]

Tbf games always have some kind of skill related hierarchy

[crude prism]

the M32A1 is here to flatten that out

[bitter mason]

True lol

[odd lava]

Could be worse, could be the Dead by Daylight community where you're considered a bad person if you don't make the game easier for survivors 😭

Thank God I never played that game

[bitter mason]

I just really want suspects to use those behaviours they seem to never do
I've only seen people hiding under things on twisted nerve and that was like one guy

[odd lava]

I have NEVER been ambushed by a suspect hiding under a bed

It's to the point where until you posted that message, I thought AI checking under beds was just an aesthetic thing

[crude prism]

if suspects could ATTACK from under the beds and stuff, maybe it would be something

you have to be WILDLY incompetent to go through a room and get caught by a slow "climb out" animation

I can think of ways to make it fun, and immediately it would be equally infuriating

[bitter mason]

True but I just want suspects actually barricading more hiding in corners and under things and in closets but they just never do

They'll stand in the middle of a room and sometimes flank or rush you
They atleast do use cover now but that's just more aggression

Lack of real variety and unpredictability

[odd lava]

I'll have to re-read it, but I imagine the new difficulty system will add some AI changes on harder difficulties

[bitter mason]

I think mainly they are gonna be more resilient to compliance yelling, quicker and more accurate and will use the fancy teamwork hivemind ai on all maps except thank you come again fsr

I imagine it's gonna feel pretty artificial

[crude prism]

the meth heads living in 213 park:

[bitter mason]

Literally

That map could be a blast if void weren't playing around

[crude prism]

crackhead nightmare

[bitter mason]

A big mix of suspect aggression
Some rush you down others run others hide
Some give up easily others try to ambush you

[crude prism]

I wish more of the house was like the attic

cluttered nightmare, hidey holes, dark corners

[bitter mason]

Every room could be vastly different

[covert aurora]

i honestly can't wait for new levels

[bitter mason]

I do feel they could have experimented with rng map layouts a little bit with dorms through the holes in walls. Ik it would probably conflict with ai pathing and stuff but if the damaged walls were randomised each time it could really change up the map

[odd lava]

Same, I've completed all missions somewhat recently, so some new maps are nice

[covert aurora]

new maps new achievements new weapons

new cosmetics

[odd lava]

New cosmetics got me acting strange

[covert aurora]

oh?

[odd lava]

I just enjoy playing dress my officer

[covert aurora]

tactical barbie for swat

let me customize my vest and belt the way i want it!

[odd lava]

Honestly would enjoy a plate carrier for light armor styles that isn't super low profile but isn't cluttered with a bunch of stuff like the default one

[bitter mason]

Me want official navy blue

[crude prism]

I have a proposition for enhancing Void's map making productivity

[forest summit]

It meant not be what you want but we have a bunch that could fit that description

[forest summit]

Lmao

[odd lava]

The closest that comes to mind is the Shaw Arc or whatever it's called

I also do like that one that I'm currently wearing but can't remember the name of. Has the American flag on it, if that narrows it down

[crude prism]

I'm gonna start doing daily @voids until I get confirmation of a red version of the SWAT '99 top

LET ME COLOR CODE MY TEAM DAMNIT

[odd lava]

Are you trying to make sure your red team officers never get in bed with a woman again

I also didn't know the s-word was censored in this server

[crude prism]

why, because they'll bleed to death and we'll never know?

hey, at least we don't have to wash the blood out between missions

[odd lava]

No because if I was a SWAT officer and they told me to get into the bright red fatigues instead of any of the black, blue, olive, tan ,or multicam drip I'd realize I'm going to look like a clown

All the other mfers would be clowning on my fit

[crude prism]

it's not THAT bad smh

[shell bridge]

Add coyote Brown and dark brown to that

Actully, let us just choose the color dammit

[marble sequoia]

dam lot off bug reports

hope void keep fixing i dont wanna move in to clear something out and get took out by a glitch factor

https://tenor.com/view/killabears-we-like-the-bears-killacubs-cubs-video-games-gif-13792537833673049641

[crude prism]

I'm sure the bug list is gonna get slashed with console update, like it does with every major patch

and then people will find new buggy things, that's just how it goes

[tacit gull]

Hopefully we get a bug with the difficulty select and the game softlocks if you choose casual

[marble sequoia]

i know there will always be bugs and roaches

[crude prism]

you get stuck on casual until you solve the "which hole does this wooden block go into?" mission

[bitter mason]

erm use black for red like swat 4 :^)

thats what I do

[crude prism]

separate multiplayer queues for casual players pls

[bitter mason]

fix gayme pls

[crude prism]

this is #HARDMODE gaming only

[tacit gull]

casual players banned from multiplayer

[crude prism]

"we removed normal mode, because real gamers only play on hard"

[tacit gull]

this post was made by #hardcoreisovertuned gang

[bitter mason]

If you dont play on hard with the max suspects mod then you're a #tourist

[crude prism]

we'll see, I'm just gonna play normal if it's wildly unfun to play hard

my days of competitive RoN gaming are over, it's "sweep the map hitless" old man days

[tacit gull]

can't wait to see the crackhead squad behaviours

not on gas though

[crude prism]

(i'm lying, I'm gonna be playing so much multiplayer on console launch just to faf about with new players)

[tacit gull]

squad behaviours wouldn't happen on gas (for some fucking reason)

[bitter mason]

god forbid it be on gas, it just wouldnt make sense

[crude prism]

the 15 man meth head unit preparing to repel my breach into their crack house for some reason

[bitter mason]

The meth links them to the hive mind

[crude prism]

of course of course

[bitter mason]

it makes sense its uuuh secret usia sleeper agent lore

[tacit gull]

the crackhead barely able to stay on his two feet jacking in to the supermethive.net forum

[bitter mason]

we dont need to give suspects barks to indicate what they're doing in a somewhat realistic and natural feeling manner, they just know

[crude prism]

rewrite that but with cyberpunk slang @tacit gull

[bitter mason]

The arabian guy on mirage at sea sending the order to kill civvies through his neurolink

[tacit gull]

the cyberpsycho barely able to stay on his two feet jacking in to the psykkos4life.co forum

[crude prism]

man I can't make the joke I want to make

something something, "aren't they all jacked into that one cube?"

[tacit gull]

blows up hostages with mind

[crude prism]

has anyone ever actually died to a timed bomb in this game

[tacit gull]

TOC actually just has a sandevistan and constantly checks the entire map for hostages

[crude prism]

we've been over this, TOC is an omniscient entity

[tacit gull]

elephant

I've also seen people complain about dying on hospital like how

[crude prism]

uh, 1 room per 5 minutes (real)

[tacit gull]

maybe casual sets the bomb to 24 hours

[crude prism]

imo if you're having trouble getting through maps, it's WAY more likely you're just losing gunfights and restarting

idk how you could be clearing maps long enough to reach the timer, but also NOT die in gunfights

it's a magic balance of incompetence

[bitter mason]

I have in early access when other maps had modes, I also died to it on elephant once but I had an AI mod which made the timer really short

its just a loud ass explosion noise and you die

[crude prism]

I know that nobody looks. But the game literally gives you a bomb timer lol

[bitter mason]

tbf hospital is my least favourite map. Too long and suspects are very aggressive. I usually quit before finishing it because I get sick of it

[crude prism]

Hospital slog is fun, if you're up for it. Otherwise, it's JUST a slog.

[tacit gull]

I kind of just hate the layout too

Epic design where only one entry point is the correct one

[bitter mason]

if I do die its literally just because I've been wittled down by the other dozen rooms

or from some BS the suspects pull

[crude prism]

which one is that?

[tacit gull]

the one where you don't get litup through basically opaque windows on the connecting bridge

[bitter mason]

my last attempt with vanilla AI quadamah and some other dude were like stuck in each other so I didnt want to shoot and I ended up getting shot to hell. I didnt die but I got one shot by some random dude who cross the map flanked me out of nowhere

which also WHY DOES THE LAST SUSPECT STILL CHARGE YOU DOWN

[tacit gull]

game desine

[bitter mason]

Im fine if they do it after like 5 minutes of searching but it always happening on the last guy instantly is so annoying

[crude prism]

too many people were bad at the game and moaned too fucking loud

"clear the fucking map idiots"

[bitter mason]

seriously just add a timer for it and honestly make it so he isnt always trying to kill you

[tacit gull]

"guys they wont notice it takes too long to find the suspect if they get fucking destroyed by them"

[bitter mason]

Imagine on some levels there being a chance he just exits hiding and surrenders

I swear the ammount of times during inital 1.0 launch I just got dunked on by the last suspect sprinting around the corner just to kill me then die

[crude prism]

it's way more fun when you have to actually FIND the last dude, because if you lost one, you fucked up, and now they're in some random uncleared spot

it would be fine if they gave the last dude awareness, but them being SUPER agro 100% of the time is just lame

[bitter mason]

real

have them hide for a bit and after a while they start to roam or something

[tacit gull]

i'm sure on casual its just gonna play a mapwide earrape audio of his current location

along with 10 arrows

[bitter mason]

But I tend to clear maps very precisely and dont move on until the area is clear, so when I get to the last guy he just always runs out and gets killed and its so laaame

[crude prism]

motion detector minimap and or battlefield 3d spotting

[bitter mason]

radar for casual

[tacit gull]

heartbeat sensor

[bitter mason]

thermal goggles that see through walls

S rank all the time

[crude prism]

if that existed, people would learn that the AI automatically retaliates when injured through a surface with no LOS

(which is fucking cheating cancer btw)

[bitter mason]

stupid mechanic

I remember once getting lit up through a wall for like a solid 5 seconds while also changing direction

[marble sequoia]

waiting for this to come out is like sitting on a cold toilet seat i hate it

[crude prism]

"you're on cams bro, he's z-pinging"

[tacit gull]

are suspects gonna start jigglepeeking on hardcore

[crude prism]

please dude it would be so funny if they actually implemented a quick-check and actual effective cover-fighting

[tacit gull]

all they would need to do is make the cover animations 3x faster

[crude prism]

"you mean I actually have to firefight instead of just killing the person in cover because they can't fight back?"

[tacit gull]

suspects malfunctioning when you're past their cover spot

[crude prism]

I think you're right about just speeding it up would fix most of the issues

suspects should be fast in and out to fight (like they give a shit about dying)

not the whole "ooooh I'm gonna lean, I'm gonna do iiiiiiiiit"

[tacit gull]

They should absolutely be taking pot shots at SWAT instead of walking in and unloading entire mags

them blindfiring is essentially worthless

I have yet to see it hit anything and even if it does you probably just tank it

[bitter mason]

visual recreation in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art of what happened

[crude prism]

yeah it's a little too inaccurate to be threatening, which makes it useless

I'd much prefer it to be lethal, because then you have to make a conscious decision to either stop and retaliate, or hide and wait for a moment of opportunity (like, y'know, gunfights should be)

[tacit gull]

yeah 1.0 walltracking was ridiculous

suspects had 5 seconds of pixel perfect tracking through walls

[bitter mason]

I played a mod once that made skilled suspects super accurate but fire semi auto and I got killed in like 3 seconds by a guy in sins of the father

[crude prism]

bro this is literally still in the game 😭 if it wasn't 2am I would go get a clip lmao

[bitter mason]

and tbh that was good

[tacit gull]

Is it? i swear i haven't been lit up that much recently

[bitter mason]

I cant remember if that was before or after the wallbanging nerfs, they didnt kill me but I was full of holes

[crude prism]

well you generally have to play poorly or be unlucky for it to happen

like YOU shouldn't be diving back behind walls when aggressing, so it's usually the suspect strafing into cover that does it

[bitter mason]

unfortunately because of how active suspects are in moving around when in combat they often do wallbang, since they'll spot you, immediately start running and continue to track you and start firing through the walls

[tacit gull]

its not even like they're predicting where you go, no, that happens AFTER the 5 seconds of them magically guessing you're zig zagging behind the wall

[marble sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-be-a-man-gif-25846216

[tacit gull]

Thankfully moving suspects almost never happen! problem solved!!

[bitter mason]

haha ha ha...

suspects still out here playing quake

[tacit gull]

honestly i prefer that to them slowly turning around without moving

[bitter mason]

I feel like it should just be an obvious thing to do, if they running fast, have them suuuper inaccurate but if they're wanting to actually hit you rather than suppress they should move slower

Im fine with them moving and shooting, just not as fast as they currently do

and for the love of god why didnt they give suspects different firing patterns, I mean they have now but I dont think its gonna be enough

[tacit gull]

hopefully suspects actually fake surrender when they should now instead of being on a weird fucking timer

[crude prism]

the entire Void team watching everyone waffle about "muh wallbanging"

[tacit gull]

1.0 having suspects just scripted to get up every 30 seconds lmao

with infinity glocks

[bitter mason]

rip infinite sidearm bug

[crude prism]

somewhere is an MMMM brand post like "suspects have the attention span of infants" where if you order them to turn around, they forget you exist and stand up after exactly 15 seconds

[bitter mason]

I miss having to collect 50 makarovs dropped by a crackhead with nothing but torn underwear on

[tacit gull]

Do you have any posts of the surrender pathfinding being dogshit

where they constantly get stuck going in two directions

[crude prism]

I know it used to have issues with doorways, but nothing comes to mind recently?

there used to be a bug where the surrender shuffle was like 0.01 meters a second for some reason

[tacit gull]

There still is

[bitter mason]

I frequently have to deal with suspects shuffling away from me when I tell them to come towards me lol

[tacit gull]

Its cause suspects go in two directions at once

If you tell them to halt they will go the opposite direction and then they will behave like normal

[crude prism]

lmao

[tacit gull]

i'm serious

[crude prism]

I believe it

[tacit gull]

try it whenever you see one crawling almost in place

[bitter mason]

duality of man

[crude prism]

duality of man

"I surrendered, I should obey his commands"
"I gave up, but he can't hurt me now that I did. Crawls away slowly"

[bitter mason]

cheeky bastards playing the system

[tacit gull]

Oh yeah

[odd lava]

The humble flashbang

[tacit gull]

If you also order them next to crawlspaces they will try to go through them permanently

[crude prism]

uh, -30 friendly fire, the SWAT AI were within 70 meters of the blast

[odd lava]

You're right, if I'm going to get docked points anyway >The humble 5.56

[crude prism]

(it hurted their ears)

[odd lava]

TOC yelling at me over friendly fire with a flashbang when I say "Entry team to TOC, oh yeah?" and he sees me aim a rifle at the suspects pinky finger

[crude prism]

no more fancy dinners

[bitter mason]

Clipped a civvies finger when shooting the suspect holding them hostage
"Toc to entry team this ones a wash"

[odd lava]

Civilian suffers hearing damage from rifle fire
"To call this mission a success feels wrong, but here we are"

First time I ever got that dialogue was my first attempt on the Elephant, I felt bad for some hours

But also how the fuck am I supposed to actually get a high rank on that in commander mode. I've never been able to even get a C, but the moment I do a 2 player run I get an A

[bitter mason]

Rank system moment

[shell bridge]

civie got one (1) drop of blood on them from the suspect's head blowing up with 7 JHP rounds who was holding the civie hostage

"TOC to entry team, make sure to cover you faces on the way back"

[frosty drift]

swat ai has 40iq combined

[odd lava]

Granted that was also because we split the building between us and we were both able to get 2 suspects on each floor

[frosty drift]

yeah ai has no situational awareness

[shell bridge]

39.28 of those are in Alpha's right shoe

[bitter mason]

"Yeah there will be hero civilians and good guys with guns in 1.0..."

[frosty drift]

unfortunately real

[odd lava]

I was really disappointed when I couldn't split my AI team like that because it seemed like the best approach to the mission

Running around the school with 5 people following me vs just splitting up and have one team clear one floor while me and the other team take another

[bitter mason]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[frosty drift]

because it is, and ron devs cant have that

no i need my entourage of obedient slaves rather than actual teammates

[odd lava]

I legitimately almost thought I could control blue team through the headcam and then realized

No, I can't actually use the command interface from their cameras

[shell bridge]

first of all ditch the menu style command system and bring in a wheel, like you already have for the feature no one has ever used (the map planner)

[odd lava]

And just gave up on saving all the civilians in commander mode

[shell bridge]

then add wall stacking and both side covering each other option, for a hallway clear

[odd lava]

At least they solved the hostage situation

[frosty drift]

monolith pfp?

[shell bridge]

Same

[odd lava]

The funny part is the idea never occurred to me until The Elephant, and then I was like "Oh, I'm not cooking, nvm. I just have to navigate this entire school in 2 minutes"

[shell bridge]

I was shocked abused and sobbing when I realized there was 1) No controllable sniper view port and 2) Can't give command through the camera

[frosty drift]

imagine being able to control your team through the map and sit in spawn n playing it like a manager game

[bitter mason]

Spetznaz mentality

[frosty drift]

that would be sick

[shell bridge]

We thank you, oh VOID, for revealing the amazing plans of your console release to us. May your light shine down on the souls of the brave soldiers who gave their lives in service to your will. Onward warriors of the VOID, avenge your fallen brothers, blessed as they are in their eternal union with the VOID.

[odd lava]

Whenever this game starts to piss me off my go to statement is threatening to go the Russian police route

[frosty drift]

idi ko mne...

[shell bridge]

Isometric cam

VOID hire me

[odd lava]

Russian police are legitimately built different, they will just straight up roll with an APC and fire it into your house without second thought

[bitter mason]

If they were based you'd be able to command your squad through the head cam like swat 4

[shell bridge]

I'll give you Thunder Tier Two

[frosty drift]

see we need to work at void

[bitter mason]

Drinking game for you swig a bottle of whiskey every time I mention swat 4

[odd lava]

Honestly I'm not really an advocate for having an AI sniper, I just think it would actually add to the tactical part of the game if you could command specific teams or officers through the headcam

[frosty drift]

make ron players go through x11 with no heals 😈

[shell bridge]

I mean sometimes it makes sense to have snipers, give or remove their ability to actually fire depending on situation

[odd lava]

I honestly feel out of place because I've never played SWAT 4 but it feels like something I should have considering I see a lot of RoN fans bring it up

[shell bridge]

But I would love to have a 2 man sniper unit for support

[bitter mason]

I would highly recommend

[odd lava]

I would honestly just rather letting players be police snipers, but the problem is there's one map in this game where a long range optic is useful

[shell bridge]

Get SWAT 4 bro I glaze it crazy but its actually a good game, well most of the time

[bitter mason]

Though I'd say play it modded. Either SEF or First responders
Sef is more vanilla+ fist responders is more ron

[shell bridge]

fist responders

✊

[frosty drift]

point is play swat 4

[odd lava]

Like if there were some more maps with vantage points or enemies on vantage points, I could see more utility in a battle rifle with a scope

[bitter mason]

I tend to prefer sef I always felt fr made the suspect ai too dumb

[shell bridge]

with SEF + First Responders (Tactical Edition)

[bitter mason]

But ive softened up to it

[shell bridge]

try tac edition the ai is blood thirsty like RoN 1.0

[bitter mason]

Swat 4 snipers act more like recon but you can take control of them to shoot but actually shooting them isn't super useful

[shell bridge]

choose-able difficulty also

[tacit gull]

🤮

[odd lava]

To be honest an interest in SWAT units is the last thing I expected of myself but then I started playing the fuck out of this game and I've been developing a strange fascination with SWAT aesthetics

[bitter mason]

Yeah I prefer the less blood thirsty ai for swat 4

[bitter mason]

Oh yeah I first played swat 4 and got me really into the classic swat look

Also made me appreciate balaclavas with uncovered noses weirdly enough

[odd lava]

I adore the 90s look but this game has me really liking the modern aesthetic, the only problem is I wish the ski mask still remained in fashion

Tbf I think technically they're still allowed to wear ski masks

But every modern SWAT picture I find that isn't a European tactical unit usually doesn't feature it

[tacit gull]

short shorts best swat aesthetic

[shell bridge]

what about long longs

[odd lava]

SWAT wearing jorts

[silver palm]

Drip is necessary

[tacit gull]

i think blitz from siege wears baggy jeans lmao

[odd lava]

Considering in 2 years I might be searching for jobs in the security sector, any job that lets me wear a ski mask will be seeing me wear one

[shell bridge]

if true, he's so real for that

[silver palm]

I’d do the same and hopefully they don’t cease to exist

[odd lava]

I lament the fact that the US military doesn't let soldiers wear them because of how cool they always look

[lone robin]

hello people, so since ron is releasing on console on july 15th, would anyone wanna play together when it since i have no other friends that own this game

[silver palm]

Yeah that’s a loss in my totally real book but while they may have an endless amount of reasons I would still prefer a ski mask rather an exposed face

[odd lava]

Iirc the reason was something among the lines of PR with locals during the GWOT

Not gonna go too in detail because I don't know if discussing the history of that particular conflict is considered politics

[marble sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-anger-violence-gif-16054679348982863653

[silver palm]

To stay in the topic, hopefully 2 more characters get the ski masks in RoN

[odd lava]

It would honestly be cool if they just added them as a cosmetic option

[marble sequoia]

ronsole console

[odd lava]

Ik there's already a mod for that

But having it as an official feature would be nice

[silver palm]

Yeah mods don’t make it better because only you can see them

[marble sequoia]

Amazon were is my 🤬

[silver palm]

I think we waited 3 years for their return

[odd lava]

Plus it would also allow you to drip up your AI officers

I do kind of wonder the reason why the masks are character specific when like

[silver palm]

You would look badass

[odd lava]

A bunch of promat uses the ski mask

[silver palm]

And it’s only available in multiplayer

Which is silly

[odd lava]

Ski mask and balaclavas with color options

(I'd use black 9/10 times)

(Maybe like a tan or brown on my multicam presets)

[silver palm]

I mean even the guy in the cover art has a ski mask lol

[odd lava]

I mean tbh

When it comes to cosmetics, some face coverings and more variety in heavy armor would be my wish

[silver palm]

I’m grateful they kind of added them back but the way they work is just awkward because they had to adapt them based on the head model but they had to in order to avoid the clipping

[odd lava]

Also, side question

Afaik, light armor and heavy armor, so long as they're the same material, offer the same protection. Are there any circumstances where you'd want protection on your sides over mobility and carrying capacity, and vice versa?

[marble sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-tate-cobra-tate-mr-producer-cry-gif-26567594

[bitter mason]

The issue void seems to be facing with face cosmetics (harhar) is clipping
The cosmetics like glasses don't "warp" to match the face and they don't have separate glasses models to match each face which is what seems to be stopping them from adding masks

This also seems to extend to suspects since ones like in carriers of the vine that have body armour don't seem to fit the armour model

[shell bridge]

Kinda related, I think it would be better to have the accuracy of fitting be 105% and not clip, than it be 99% and clip

[bitter mason]

I agree

There's definitely ways they can make all the cosmetics fit properly with minimal to no clipping most other games seem to manage

Void just hasn't figured that out it seems

[tacit gull]

cough insurgency

I'm pretty sure NWI made an entire talk about getting cosmetics to look good in ue4

[shell bridge]

shoutout insurgency, 10/10 game. Uninstalled and refunded it because it needed Anti-cheat for multiplayer

[tacit gull]

[shell bridge]

amazing experience truly, I still have nokia ringtone ptsd

[bitter mason]

Really good dress up sim with some of the worst looking drip ever

[tacit gull]

the backpack skins on the insurgents lmao

[bitter mason]

The most overblown oversaturated camo I've ever seen

And everyone is weirdly skinny and it's very hard to make a decent looking normal soldier or Insurgent

[tacit gull]

dont worry bro the competitive skins are coming any day now

[shell bridge]

Well atleast its got female soldiers, RoN btfo

[bitter mason]

Enjoy your overdesigned dlc and no good normal looking free options

[bitter mason]

This is true
Insurgency 1 ready or not 0

[tacit gull]

from what i've seen the dlc stuff doesnt fit with almost anything else

[bitter mason]

Sometimes it can but they've particularly been bad with the camos
Some dlcs have the camo really small and dense and others really washed out

They also bring in new bugs every update and hardly fix any of them

[tacit gull]

insurgency is basically a content farm rn

[bitter mason]

The overall quality of the game has declined overtime unfortunately

[tacit gull]

Everything going on with that game is being outsourced and nwi is essentially just a front

[shell bridge]

Only last news I ever saw was Insurgency was being shut down or something, its studio in limbo

prob in mid-2024 or something

Have they recovered? Apart from adding new cosmetics

[tacit gull]

No, as i said NWI is gone

[shell bridge]

😭

[tacit gull]

Outside companies are working on the game untill the heat death of the universe i'm guessing

player numbers haven't moved in a while

[shell bridge]

new purple cat ear cosmetics will be added until morale improves

[tacit gull]

not halo

[shell bridge]

actually it works in halo

just some vents

[tacit gull]

no it doesnt what 😭

[bitter mason]

Nah but cat ear helmet in ron when?
Swan needs his drip

[tacit gull]

swan tried to grow that shitty little moustache but we all know the truth

[bitter mason]

He can't beat the femboy allegations

I've seen the contents of his locker

[shell bridge]

I need some tactical desk job glasses like that one guy from Sicario

[limber night]

@muted star Literally did that

Cosmetic fix is imo a must have lol

[lone robin]

there should be a flamethrower in ron

[winged remnant]

For some reason, recoil is tied to lean. I disabled lean in config and recoil came back in UEVR.

[bitter mason]

I've used it before not sure if it's compatible with some things I have

[limber night]

It should be compatible with like every cosmetic mod out there

[shell bridge]

you know what thanks for reminding me, I should get it

[limber night]

There's only a very few that aren't, but afaik they're just private

[shell bridge]

Same concern, but ig I'll just try it

[limber night]

I've been using it since AVP first made it and never had issues

Tho I might lowkey uninstall Ball's LSPD uniforms cuz the mesh fixes for vanilla clothing in that mod does cause some issues

[tepid verge]

im gonna see if I can start making custom maps for ron
how hard can it be?

[limber night]

Is it your first time?

[tepid verge]

ya

[shell bridge]

send link for mod

[tepid verge]

never touched UnrealEngine

[limber night]

? Just search up one of recent Ball's mod

[amber dock]

It’s not hard, anyone can make a Ron map in less then 20 minutes. It’s another question if you can make a good one that people will actually download

[shell bridge]

oh ballistic

[amber dock]

You can create a easy bare bones map

[tepid verge]

hmmm. so is it kinda just like making a map or do I have to make my own AI or place the AI etc

[amber dock]

But making a actual map that has life to it is another question and using assets like QSM, music, Ai pathing etc

[amber dock]

With the mapping template it’s very easy to get a bare bones map

https://unofficial-modding-guide.com/posts/mapping_gettingstartedue5/

This guide tells you everything

[tepid verge]

ok! is it hard to make a full map with background music AI mapping etc

[amber dock]

And shows how to get started

[amber dock]

Yeah

[tepid verge]

perfect I will check it out when unreal engine downloads

[tepid verge]

we shall see abt that.... I will become the best ron map creator (99.9999% I dont)

[amber dock]

Good luck

[tepid verge]

lmao thanks

[shell bridge]

wish you the best, hope it works out

prob don't focus on shading etc, nail down layout first

make it small but interactive

[tepid verge]

thanks I will see about map making. I can make edits for groups but never even touched map creation before

[shell bridge]

like 1 floor

[tepid verge]

ok 1 floor and nail layout got it

[amber dock]

I should say now, what you should prioritise is all the core systems first. All the visual stuff that players will see should be least priority. Because you will want to change stuff a lot during the timeline when making the map. So do all background related stuff that players won’t notice.

[rigid scaffold]

Hi guys I’m new here

Looking forward to the console release of RoN

I was just wondering if the GPNVG in tan are on the base game

[limber night]

Only black

[amber dock]

Tan ones are supporter edition exclusive

[rigid scaffold]

That’s annoying

[amber dock]

So black ones are the ones you get

[limber night]

Yeah it is ngl

[amber dock]

Even though black GPNVGS don’t actually exist to my knowledge

Or more so tan ones are more popular

[limber night]

This has kinda changed over the years as black shells has been produced by third partiers and I believe l3harris is making black ones themselves now too

Tho 99% of time black GPNVGs irl are just sprayed

[rigid scaffold]

I feel like more customisation options should be available to everyone

[shell bridge]

ig cause most are issued to tan-matched camo uniforms

[limber night]

No, l3harris just made em in one color lol

How it's issued had nothing to do with it

[shell bridge]

any other company that makes quads and is issued officially?

[muted star]

Wonder how much of this stuff will be fixed in the update (I think I know the answer)

[limber night]

ZERO

[shell bridge]

Wrong

[muted star]

bingo

[shell bridge]

-82, cause they will break more stuff

[limber night]

Atm? None afaik, but there are companies that make their own panos (be it digital or actual tubes)

[muted star]

ngl I use Rebel SF most of the time now since the fits are really well made to work with each other

[limber night]

Ironically enough ANVIS-10, the NVGs that later evolved into GPNVGS came in black

[limber night]

Yeah Bey really poured so much effort into how consistent it is

[muted star]

The vests are especially drippy with the amount of gear on them

even tho it's ali gear lol

[limber night]

Yeah, that's the point

It looks so good together

[shell bridge]

shoutout to baker group mod also, cool stuff

[limber night]

He actually sells the underfunded vibes better than Void back in the day

[tacit gull]

beyker is bae

he revivved all of the legacy stuff and made his own bangers too

[languid pasture]

Is the 57. New weapon.

?

[cursive minnow]

No?

[pine drum]

Again, I feel like the LSPD being underfunded didn't make sense.

[limber night]

Sure, but it would create cool aesthetic

[limber night]

Yeah! It was added in like 2018

[pine drum]

I mean fair. Vibes, and the story isn't too realistic in general. However I feel like the understaffed narrative makes more sense.

[limber night]

Cool

I like me underfunded more

We could combine the two together and it would be even funnier

[pine drum]

As well as political distrust of the police, which could be represented more other than suspects and civs bitching at you when you cuff them which in some scenarios make sense.

Like "There's an active shooter, and your cuffing my ass and leaving me here!?". I'd be pissed too!

[languid pasture]

Raccoon thank you

[shell bridge]

How about Gotham PD

But instead of rouge cops its rouge weapons

need to unjam your rifle every third shot

[pine drum]

TBH, I wish they added weapon jamming.

Just not THAT often.

[amber dock]

We are not doing this again……

[languid pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/police-raid-breach-entry-tactics-gif-17064648

[limber night]

Fuck weapoing jamming

[shell bridge]

The definition of insanity

[pine drum]

Eh, then yet again, I couldn't tell when the guns ran out of ammo initially because I couldn't hear a click.

[shell bridge]

Make RoN RNG with upgradable station and gear

1 JHP bullet production takes 24 hrs

1 AP takes 1 week

[pine drum]

Ew, WTF?

[shell bridge]

Sell time saver dlc

[pine drum]

At least mine made sense...

This ain't a looter shooter.

[shell bridge]

Nah, its too respecting of the customer's time

[cursive minnow]

Those are mobile game levels of bullshit.

[pine drum]

But when I say weapon jams, I mean like they have a super rare chance of that.

[amber dock]

Watch one 30 second ad to speed up production by 2 hours

[pine drum]

Not like it jams every 5 seconds.

[amber dock]

Police take care of guns

They don’t jam

And it’s already been discussed before

It ain’t happening

[pine drum]

Have you not seen police footage?

[cursive minnow]

I'm pretty sure it's been all but confirmed by void it's never happening I believe there was mention of making it possible for AI to get them though.

[amber dock]

Ever seen footage of swat getting their guns jammed? That’s a incompetent force then

[shell bridge]

Actually now its 1 30 second ad, a 10 second stationary app or whatever details and a 5 second additional countdown to a microscopic level close button

[pine drum]

Buddy, jams happen with guns even if they are well maintained.

Not often, but they STILL happen

[amber dock]

I might be tripping but I believe void did tease a animation for this unless it was something else

[amber dock]

Ron is a video game, I don’t want to micro manage my gun

And it’s already been said before