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[pine drum]

Um... My guess is they are probably all getting money under the table from the spider.

[bitter mason]

possibly but I dont see why they should

[pine drum]

And LSPD would probably charge them for that shit...

[bitter mason]

I get if a few are in on it but every single one?

[pine drum]

IDK... It's weird...

[bitter mason]

same with Volls guards Id like if some are like genuinely clueless as to why you're there

make you check your targets first make the game less gunfighty

[pine drum]

Also, you hear some contemplating quiting in idle dialogue

[bitter mason]

yeah mindjot is going under and the employees are told and they all know

why would they risk their life for it

[pine drum]

I meant voll's guards.

[bitter mason]

ooh

[pine drum]

But that applies to mindjot too

[bitter mason]

yeah volls guys should be a decent mix of legit guys and more sus guys

and a lot can be conveyed through dialogue

mindjot I think are just overequipped, I'd rather they just look like normal security guards instead of the wierd Chinese thermal helmets they have

[pine drum]

Eh, I have enough suspension of disbelief to still enjoy it... What I DON'T have suspension of disbelief for was Voll's ass getting off. Even though he burned evidence, the basement would have been FOR SURE enough

[bitter mason]

oh yeah he should not be able to walk

they should just change whatever news thing that says he is free to he was found dead or something

[pine drum]

Maybe if they wanted something like that, have him get epsteinejed instead.

SEE!?

[bitter mason]

yeah that would be far more believable

Like even if the FISA was who let him free theres still the entire other people involved in sentencing him.

Seems more corrupt and criminal to me if they whack him

and despite being a coverup its more satisfying than "Yeah all your work was for nothing teehee"

[pine drum]

I'll admit, THAT was dumb as hell.

[bitter mason]

yea

Plenty of rough spots in the games story I'd rather see delt with. Because I do love this game I just want it to be the best it can be thats why Im bitchin all the time
Bitchin with looove

[pine drum]

But yeah, that's one part you and me agree on. Even if Voll got off, I'd imagine the Carriers of the Vine wouldn't have had to get to him. He would have been Luigi'd

NO ONE, and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE would let him off.

[bitter mason]

I feel like the Carriers cult would struggle to get him if thats what their plan was. But maybe they were that ambitious if thats where the news clipping is

[bitter mason]

Yeah they seemed to miss the fact Los Suenos is still populated by people. If he was put on trial with that much evidence against him and walked people wouldnt be quiet about it

[pine drum]

Actually that would be kinda cool. Like a riot mission because of that shit.

Or protest gone wrong.

[bitter mason]

flips the script and you have to rescue voll 😬

[pine drum]

YEP...

[bitter mason]

nah too morally grey for void

They'll just make the rioters baby killers or something

[pine drum]

Not really? I feel like the earlier missions are better at that. It's just the criminals ramp up how extreme they are afterwards

Like I feel like the eco-terrorists aren't too unrealistic... Again, Green Peace and PETA associated groups have committed some heinous acts in the past.

[bitter mason]

idk always feels like theres something that makes the suspects despicable or over the top in some way, if they're not nonces they're crazy and psychotic
the only exception is like, ends of the earth but that is not reflected on in gameplay

[pine drum]

Some of the Voll guards too, but like...

"I have kids!"

WHAT!?

AND YOU AGREED TO THIS!?!

It just makes me hate them more.

[bitter mason]

This is where AI behaviours should be more varied

[pine drum]

Yeah. Honestly I'm tempted to make a technoir tac shooter based on a story I'm writing.

[bitter mason]

I remember really wanting a primary suspect on Neon Tomb to be some angry college kid that got caught up in extremism and then kinda snapped into reality after the shooting, so when you come across him he has a decent chance to give up easier than the others

and just the neon tomb suspects in general to be more varied in skill level rather than all being pros. Makes sense for them to be a mix

[pine drum]

I did question if what they said about the U.S Army killing civs was true or just propaganda told by them by the hand.

I'll be real.

And I actually like that.

[bitter mason]

it seems all the suspects in each level are just kinda dumped into the same archetype with no real variety in the vanilla game
and they all react the same when they see you if they're not hesitating that is

[pine drum]

MOAR AMBIGUITY

[bitter mason]

I love moral ambiguity
Points at my moral ambiguity hat wearing my moral ambiguity shirt

[pine drum]

Shut. 🤣

But yeah I fucking hate the hand, next run in I have I'm going 100% lethal.

[bitter mason]

but yeah overall more believable suspects and variety because they do feel very predictable rn. And most moral ambiguity is completely thrown asside when you find them blowing someones head off or hanging oil rig workers.

Im totally fine with them having the crazy evil suspects for late game levels but like mid game levels they should still be varied

[pine drum]

We got SOME moral ambiguity during Lawmaker because there were legitimate environmental concerns there, and they really didn't harm anyone too badly... They kinda just... Vandalized a rich asshole's house.

[bitter mason]

yeah that ones not so bad though they do take hostages a lot but bargening I suppose

[pine drum]

Did they scare the shit out of kids? Yeah... But like the way these guys see it, they're fighting against extinction, and are scared as fuck of that being a reality. Then they hung randos and I was like "OK yep, no sympathy"

Switches G3 to full auto

[bitter mason]

I do just feel aswell the overall scoring and ROE needs to be refined, they made ROE really relaxed during the adam update because it was buggy and they just never fixed it, they just kept it basically non-existent and that just seems like their easier option than actually balancing the suspects around ROE

[pine drum]

And they need to fix the SWAT AI, but they seem focused on pumping out DLC rn.

[bitter mason]

yeah this next update Im really hoping has some actual improvements

they did show some for the animation side of things, like tasers actually behaving like tasers and unique animations for MG weilding suspects

But theres a lot more than just that needed

and I wouldnt be surprised if those got unused

[pine drum]

I'm surprised they didn't get an LTL pistol earlier.

[crude prism]

no you see it's PIVOTAL to our movement that we murder random people instead of putting fire under the feet of those that could actually change things

[bitter mason]

See see its morally grey they have a good motive but uuh idk make them kill innocent people and attack the swat team with no remorse, that will really make the player base not want to kill them

[pine drum]

Ehh, not too unrealistic honestly. Y'all remember the just stop oil direct action campaign? Wasn't as extreme in the sense of who got harmed, but they killed someone by blocking an ambulance

[mossy flax]

Does ballistic mask lower mobility????

[pine drum]

No?

[crude prism]

no

[mossy flax]

Than why don’t people use it

[crude prism]

blocks gas mask, and is also ugly

[pine drum]

It also muffles speech, and limits vision.

[bitter mason]

some people (me) go off of vibes rather than practicality

[mossy flax]

Is there any missions where you need a gas mask, or is it only defense against your own tear gas

[pine drum]

Worse than the gas mask might I add.

[bitter mason]

CS gas is like probably the best grenades imo so gasmask is good

but there is no mission that requires it its just to protect yourself against cs

[pine drum]

There's a mod I use for when I DO use the ballistic mask, and it makes it one of those BP glass face shields you see older swat and the GIGN use.

[bitter mason]

same

The vibes im talking about

[mossy flax]

Aight guys I’m about to run elephant again, about 5 months ago I used to play this game and I stopped playing it because I kept dying in elephant. I think I’ll try something new

[bitter mason]

good luck

[mossy flax]

I’m going full mobility and I’m not waiting for my team

If I die, I die

[bitter mason]

suspects tend to spawn in similar areas, two library side on the left of the first entry point, and two on the classroom side right of the first entry point

from my experience

[mossy flax]

I’m using the GA51 for this, u guys recommend something else?

[pine drum]

Also, if you're playing with AI don't tell them to clear the room. Bust down the door, check your corners, and move quickly

[mossy flax]

I’m literally just gonna tell them to fall in

[bitter mason]

I say use whatever you want GA51 is a fine weapon

[pine drum]

Also tell civies to move to the exit.

[mossy flax]

Yep

What armor setup should I use, I was planning light armor, Kevlar, and only front plates for max mobility

[pine drum]

Again, the way I set up my team I have two AR-15s, an SMG (45 APC), and a shotgunner. I myself run a battle rifle.

[mossy flax]

I’m not going in naked tho

[bitter mason]

dont bother with kevlar honestly

[crude prism]

Kevlar is Void's special way of trolling players.

[bitter mason]

ceramic all day every day

[mossy flax]

Alr

[pine drum]

Yeah same.

[mossy flax]

Wish me luck guys

[pine drum]

Kevlar is only good for like... Thank you come again.

[bitter mason]

only acceleration is affected by armour not max move speed, ceramic isnt that much heavier than kevlar really

Kevlar lets you sponge only a little more damage, Ceramic completely blocks damage

[mossy flax]

I had my team running fuckin juggernaut suits up until this point, heavy armor, full plates, and steel

[pine drum]

There's VERY FEW maps where they only use pistols or shotguns.

[bitter mason]

yeah dont bother with steel too tbh

[pine drum]

And rifles will fuck you up.

[bitter mason]

just ceramic
its the best

also unless it has been fixed kevlar and steel is broken due to a bug with damage calculation

[crude prism]

there's one map in the entire game where Kevlar armor can't be penetrated by suspect weapons (and it isn't gas station either, lol)

[mossy flax]

I watched steel do its fucking job on valley of the dolls rn, my dumbass ai teammates got shot 6 times and the shit sparked off of him and he was fine

[pine drum]

Where's that?

[stable kernel]

Rant about armor incoming

Take cover

[bitter mason]

SWAT guys are pretty spongey tbh. Cermamic will completely block damage to the torso but has its own health value so when it breaks it breaks and you are armourless
but if you're not getting lit up that often in the torso its the best option

[craggy loom]

how many guns and stuff are in this game

excluding the 2 DLC?

[bitter mason]

quite a lot, mostly AR platforms

[craggy loom]

whats an AR platform?

[bitter mason]

idk the specific number tho

like m4 m16ish

[craggy loom]

I just pre ordered on console, looking forward to the game

[crude prism]

The spider, dudes only have 9mm/10mm/.45acp/.357, none of which have lvl3 pen

[craggy loom]

I do NOT know guns like that, very illegal in my country so i dont know much

[mossy flax]

Elephant has 4 shooters right

[pine drum]

I recommend the MK18 because it's the most compact.

Better for clearing corners.

[pine drum]

Ye

And bombs.

About 2

[bitter mason]

just look up like AR platform on google you'll know the type
the American assault rifle
basically guns that look like that

but there is a decent enough variety

[pine drum]

One AK platform too

Super short.

[bitter mason]

I've like never touched that gun tbh

outside of when im just messing around

[pine drum]

Me neither... It just EXISTS.

[craggy loom]

only time ive seen a gun is when i was picking someone up from the airport, the security had them

[pine drum]

Probably gather dust in the LSPD armory beside their two M60s

[craggy loom]

As a Brit, seeing a gun is quite frieghtening

[pine drum]

I could make so many jokes rn, but I won't.

[craggy loom]

what jokes?

jokes about the lack of gun violence and school tragedies?

lol

[pine drum]

Yep nope, not gonna touch that.

[craggy loom]

I could make so many jokes rn, but i wont.

[pine drum]

Anyway, what you doing Caeldis?

[crude prism]

oh man I wanna post a meme, probably a bad idea though

just feel offended in spirit

[bitter mason]

In bed

[amber dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452425840274309120/1383604776243167313/Quad_Kill.gif

[bitter mason]

Too warm
Also British

[pine drum]

Ah, cool.

[bitter mason]

Could be worse

[craggy loom]

dont threaten to joke and insult a country if you cant take it back at you lolol

[pine drum]

Is that from PvP?

[amber dock]

No?

[bitter mason]

That's just early access suspect ai

[craggy loom]

this game has PvP?

[bitter mason]

Not yet

[cursive minnow]

That's our famous early access john wick AI as we used to call em.

[craggy loom]

that would be fun

[pine drum]

No, because you're trying to bait me into a political conversation in a server where that's banned. I can take it all day.

[cursive minnow]

There was alpha PVP way back when but no current PVP(Besides modded) and if it comes again it's likely not going to be for a long time.

[bitter mason]

Who got the shotgun through the door gif

I've no perms to post it

[craggy loom]

How is that political, i know nothing about american politics, british news sources dont cover it much

[pine drum]

SINCE WHEN COULD AI JUMP!?

[craggy loom]

since AI got the hacker upgrade

[bitter mason]

Yknow I'm thankful to have never witnessed the suspect ai be that bad

[amber dock]

That’s not really jump it more just walked on a raised plattform so it looks like it’s jumping

Just collision stuff

[craggy loom]

if the game launches on console broken and with aimbot AI 🙏

[pine drum]

That shit looks like it's coming from a fucking call of duty montage.

[crude prism]

AI literally "bounced" off the physical corpse on the floor lmao

bro is using tech

[craggy loom]

B-Hopping is an ancient technique

[amber dock]

Thank god we don’t have collision on bodies

[cursive minnow]

I think it was more so the weapon that fell on the floor but either way.

[amber dock]

Anymore

There was another gif of Ron Ai

[craggy loom]

is it true theres no sprint in this game?

[amber dock]

But on old farm

@crude prism pull it out

[cursive minnow]

Yep

[bitter mason]

Npcs still collide with them a bit tho
They go sprinting at full speed and drag some poor guy across the hall

[pine drum]

Technically yes, but if you want to move faster go into low ready by pressing space.

[cursive minnow]

Only for a slight increase ^

[craggy loom]

I dont have a kb&m

[crude prism]

I am unaware of "old farm gif"
please try another query

[bitter mason]

Yes the maps are big but generally fairly close quarters
Sprint doesn't really belong in this game

[amber dock]

Let me try to find it

[craggy loom]

yeah ive seen that, the game looks better for it

[pine drum]

Sometimes that slight increase is the difference between life and death tbh

[amber dock]

Nvm

It was on port too

[bitter mason]

The door one?

[bitter mason]

Perfect

[pine drum]

But yeah, WTF is that AI? Bro is literally John Wick!

[amber dock]

Enjoy:)

[crude prism]

bro that fucking third gif lmao

[amber dock]

Old Ron was a fun time

[bitter mason]

That's great I haven't seen some of those

[amber dock]

So much random bs happening

[crude prism]

he's fucking slowly lifting the handgun up over the shield I CANT

[pine drum]

Bro just put his gun over bro's shield and fired

[bitter mason]

Almost looks kinda realistic

[pine drum]

Also, the shotgun clipping through the door man. 🤣

[bitter mason]

Idk if I could be mad if a dude pulled that on me

[somber iron]

tec-9 over the shield, elite tactics

[pine drum]

I could imagine a suspect doing that shit IRL, then donut operator doing a vid on it.

[bitter mason]

The suspects might still not be perfect but man I appreciate how far we've come even if not that far really

[craggy loom]

excited for console launch

[cursive minnow]

Yea but IRL as long as they got proper training ain't no officer letting a suspect close that distance on them shield or no shield.

[bitter mason]

They still track you through walls and side strafe at high speeds while filling you with led while also peaking a small gap in the environment from 10 miles away
But they ain't that bad I guess

[pine drum]

You'd be surprised. Some of the footage on donut operator has some really stupid cops, especially if they're from Chicago

[cursive minnow]

Emphasis on "proper training" I watch donut operator too.

[pine drum]

Fair.

Also, NYC is another one that has cops with shit training funny enough

[pine drum]

Can't say much about LA, but at least their PD is still one of the most competent when the justice system or mayor isn't being stupid.

[ember garden]

Devs can u use real names damn why we using fake names for sights but some guns get the name..

It still bug me to this day I played for first time in a bit last night!!!

[pine drum]

Copyright.

[bitter mason]

Yknow if there's one thing I can complain about with the ron ost
Is that is just isn't present enough on some levels that shit slaps let me hear it more damn it

[ember garden]

They need to get some moneys snd give em a little piece of the pie to use the names

And I feel a lot of companies would be happy to have their stuff advertised

Like poor holosun

[bitter mason]

Modz

[ember garden]

Should be vanilla

[pine drum]

Also, I feel like the level music tends to be variations of same song.... Though I do like 23 MBs per second.

[ember garden]

Yea that’s kinda true too I feel like I get some cool music and it goes away quick

But man why use half real names of guns and sights and half not it hurts soul

[bitter mason]

There are some leitmotifs which I can appreciate but a lot of the sound track can feel kinda empty sometimes just a single beat during stealth and the action music comes in too late

[pine drum]

Homestly, I don't mind the music being more ambient but it certainly feels fucking delayed.

[bitter mason]

The combat tracks I think should play basically the second a gunshot or grenade go off. If you bang a room and breach the combat music should play even if there's no one there

Gives that sense of adrenaline during the breach

[pine drum]

Yep

But yeah no, 23 Megabytes a Minute slaps.

[ember garden]

Where is pvp

[bitter mason]

Worst case is rust belt because the actual meat of the ost slaps but that only kicks in when you reach the end of the cave which can often be the last room you take

[pine drum]

Honestly I feel like they should have saved that for Sinous Trail.

[ember garden]

They barely added new shit since I played last and took away the map modes!!!

[bitter mason]

In the works

[ember garden]

It’s all one mode per map now

[ember garden]

God I hope so but they’ve said that for years lol

[bitter mason]

I never really expected the modes to stay but a sandbox like option with gamemode selection would be very nice

The game was very much rushed into 1.0 for Christmas tho

[ember garden]

I miss it and why the hell font mirrors work still 😂

[ember garden]

@blazing glade pvp please sir

Who’s the bosses around here give pvp plz I beg of u

[bitter mason]

John pvp

[blazing glade]

Why did you choose specifically me to say that lol

[crude prism]

you should message kamisnky about it every hour on the hour

[ember garden]

I seen u on the phone app thing lol

Active man

[bitter mason]

Devin chat

[crude prism]

he knows you're THE GUY for it

[ember garden]

@gaunt gale please pvp I beg of u

[crude prism]

lmao don't actually @ the void team

[stable kernel]

I suggest you stop pinging the devs

[blazing glade]

You can do it alright, it will just cost you some friends and teampoints

[ember garden]

I want them to see how much I want pvp

[blazing glade]

Also that

[ember garden]

I’ve been asking for years is it bad to ping them

[amber dock]

What do you do if you don’t have that first part

[bitter mason]

-50 unauthorised use of ping

[crude prism]

find a way to disable the SWAT AI invulnerability and fight them

[ember garden]

I’d pay money for like private servers to host with friends if that ever was a thing any form of pvp be good

[amber dock]

So remove all their ammo, boom PVP with SBMM

[crude prism]

nah they literally become invincible once you are marked as a traitor

[bitter mason]

Wait yeah what so the bots do if they don't have ammo and turn on you lol
Do they just stare and shout

[amber dock]

Idc

[pine drum]

-200 Unauthorized use of Lag

[crude prism]

being marked as a traitor gives the bots infinite ammo and invulnerability so they can wipe you

(there are ways to circumvent this)

[ember garden]

Any big updates soon?

[bitter mason]

Boooo

[amber dock]

Lame

[pine drum]

July the 15th

[bitter mason]

Check the announcements channels

And scroll up a bit

[blazing glade]

Nah, no update soon, only in 5 years from now on

[ember garden]

Oh yea I’m dumb I forgot about that channel

[amber dock]

But if you remove their ammo on their loadouts will the traitor thing overrule it and give them ammo or?

[pine drum]

I've been able to take them out...

[crude prism]

are you channeling your inner Grounch Branch rn?

[bitter mason]

Sometimes it really felt like the swat ai were just waiting for you to slip up so they could kill you when 1.0 first dropped

[pine drum]

No hesitation, they fucking hate you.

[amber dock]

As long as Ai is better then GB void are doing fine

[bitter mason]

I accidentally hit an incapped suspect when firing down on a guy from the tower on port and instantly got domed by a friendly

[ember garden]

I got on last night and seen the two cops in locker room fighting it was very good added content but mirrors would be good

[pine drum]

They fight better against you than they do the suspects.

[bitter mason]

Real

Just itching to kill judge

[amber dock]

Also

While Alan is here

[pine drum]

|| Judge isn't the sleeper, his friends are. ||

[amber dock]

Alan, please take off the Christmas hat

[bitter mason]

Griiinch

No jolly allowed over here

[stable kernel]

Not very jolly of you

That’s a write up

[blazing glade]

It's almost Xmas again

[amber dock]

Shush, you didn’t go to bed early you can’t say anything

[amber dock]

sigh

[pine drum]

I T ' S J U N E

[warped cave]

It's june

💀

[amber dock]

I’m gonna ask Zack to take care of you

[humble mauve]

oh I made this lol I kept thinking I saw this before

[bitter mason]

Can't wait for the Christmas ron update
Nakatomi plaza
And santa mall

[amber dock]

:)

[blazing glade]

Also, it could be just a red hat from some soda brands

[stable kernel]

Ai generated Coca Cola hat

[amber dock]

If that’s what you wanna call it

[amber dock]

Sure

[pine drum]

Can't wait for a Mall Santa gets his head taken off by a 7.62 shot by some crazy ass motherfucker

[amber dock]

I give up

Alan wear whatever you want

[bitter mason]

Think about it shopping mall during Christmas and all of the suspects are wearing Christmas themed disguises
And theyre robbing some store or something

[pine drum]

That... That's just payday 2

[bitter mason]

Yeah that's cool

[pine drum]

You'd be stopping the payday gang

[bitter mason]

But it's like a campy 80s action heist film... which is also payday but like not really

I would genuinely really love the die hard plaza as a map tho

[pine drum]

I can't get over this. 🤣🤣🤣

[bitter mason]

Void I'm available for ideas guy positions

[pine drum]

Fucking Rainbow 6 Siege ass clip

[bitter mason]

Yeah that's what I woulda done

[pine drum]

Also, glad they got rid of the stupid lightening effect for the tazer.

[bitter mason]

Yeah that was a bit odd lol
Still waiting for suspects to flop when tased tho

[pine drum]

People who get tazed fucking plank.

It would be funny if the I could make Sah'id fall on his stupid, royal face.

[bitter mason]

I would like a bit of rng to it
Like they might flop or they just kinda still manage to stay stood up

Flopping being waay more common tho

[pine drum]

If the tazers were realistic they would not work 50% of the time.

[gaunt gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[pine drum]

Especially when suspects have armor

[bitter mason]

Yeah lol but that would be no fun

[pine drum]

Nope

[bitter mason]

Althhoooygh swat 4 praise incoming
Heavier armour in swat 4 deflected the taser prongs

[pine drum]

I'm happy with my guaranteed stop in your place.

[bitter mason]

There's a lot more less lethal counters and risks you have to consider in swat 4

I do enjoy the taser but man it is op

[pine drum]

If they stuck with the one shot tazer it would be fine.

Also, good luck hitting anything with it

[bitter mason]

Yeah
I wouldn't mind maybe even the two shot one being a secondary and the single shot being equipment slot maybe

[pine drum]

Honestly I don't think it's too OP. Again, pretty hard to hit anything with it at further distances.

[bitter mason]

Yeah but it also has insane range

[pine drum]

Now THAT I will agree to

[bitter mason]

And the prongs seem to be hitscan

[crude prism]

we've come full circle to "put taser back into the pistol slot" lol

[pine drum]

Yeah no, that shit needs to be fixed.

[bitter mason]

Compared to swat 4s tasers :^)

[pine drum]

Um... No... I don't want that...

[bitter mason]

Hey hey I appreciate the taser being in the equipment slot but being a secondary option too would be nice

[crude prism]

the taser is just a single hitscan trace, there is no physical "prong" mechanic

[bitter mason]

I really want a beanbag shotgun and pepperball gun for long tactical

[pine drum]

Plus it would be pointless now that they're doing a pepper ball pistol... BUT FOR FUCK SAKE, ADD RUBBER BULLETS FOR THE PEPPERBALL WEAPONS.

[bitter mason]

Very lame tbh

But effective

We could maybe do with a bit of a taser range nerf, make civvies actually none compliant at times so the pepper spray has a use

[pine drum]

You can still limit hitscan range

IDK how hard it is to do, but it's possible

[crude prism]

there is a limit on the range

[bitter mason]

Yeah there is a limit its just very long

[pine drum]

Yeah, not enough of one though...

Also I'd imagine physical prongs would be a nightmare if there were actually two of them.

If they had realistic physics at least

I mean, it's pretty obvious most LTL don't... None of the LTL would work as intended on Leviathan if that was the case.

[bitter mason]

It was done in 2005 on like unreal engine 2 or something I'm sure it can be done

[pine drum]

Again, "realistic". Because that would mean it would account for real thing the tasers suffer with... AND HOOBOY DO TAZERS SUFFER FROM A LOT

[bitter mason]

Realism to the point it's not fun

[crude prism]

it can't be any worse than current taser hit registration

[pine drum]

Jeeezus

[bitter mason]

I'd say armour should be able to deflect taser prongs but armour needs to be consistent with the suspects visuals because rn it's not

[crude prism]

that would also require a rework of hitzones, not just the model

[pine drum]

Part of me both agrees and disagrees. But considering the pepper ball pistol is being added, I'll be fine with it.

[bitter mason]

More less lethal options would help remedy this tho also

[crude prism]

the M32A1 in question

[bitter mason]

Yeah lol

[pine drum]

Then yet again, I recommended gasmasks actually block tear gas and pepperballs, because there are custom maps that do that shit.

[crude prism]

unless we graduate to "gas in the air ducts", the M32A1 is the end all be all of nonlethal

[pine drum]

And again... ADD FUCKING RUBBER ROUNDS TO THE BALL SHOOTERS

[bitter mason]

Get some baton rounds for the grenade launcher deals damage if directly hit so shooting someone with them can incap or at worst kill so bouncing them off the floors and walls would be effective
If they wanted to be really cool even just shooting them near a suspect could freak them out enough to suppress and damage their morale

[pine drum]

Again, against it now that there's a rotary grenade launcher.

[crude prism]

this is already a thing (the morale/suppression thing)

[bitter mason]

Huh?

Oh yeah ik about morale

Idk if suppression effects accuracy of suspects or anything but I know it effects morale

I was thinking like you slug a baton round right next to a suspect and they sort of flinch and take morale damage and maybe disengage

[pine drum]

Idk, my team currently uses two beanbag shotguns for the loadout. I'd like something else for longer range LTL.

[bitter mason]

The rotary grenade launcher will help with that I think

Stinger or flash shells in that

[pine drum]

Is it gonna be a long tac or?

[bitter mason]

Primary

[crude prism]

the M32A1 should ONLY have stinger rounds, giving it gas and flashbangs is a mistake

(because stingers deal damage to the user/allies as well if they blast themselves)

[pine drum]

It's gonna be a primary?

[crude prism]

a primary you can bring extra ammo for and reload

[bitter mason]

I remember when it was in early access and for a while they removed friendly fire from it so you could fire it willy nilly with no downside

[pine drum]

God that already sounds broken as shit.

[crude prism]

there's a reason it was removed... long since forgotten

[bitter mason]

This is why we need an overhaul to the way equipment slots work

[crude prism]

there is nothing you can do to balance the M32A1 compared to the current nonlethal options

[bitter mason]

I'm all for having crazy tools like that but they have to come with a cost

[crude prism]

weight system, handling penalties, movement penalties, nothing

[bitter mason]

Might be true

[stable kernel]

Tbf I haven’t tested if the ai get their loadout changed in the map with that

[crude prism]

that was just for the video, I loaded the map with their loadouts preset no ammo

[pine drum]

My ass will be playing "GAS GAS GAS" when I get my hands on that shit.

[keen narwhal]

if you’re going for an s rank and non lethal run a movement penalty for the m32a1 genuinely would mean nothing because you shouldn’t ever be in a situation where your movement speed determines your run ending or not aside from active shooters and bomb threats

[stable kernel]

Also fun fact: trailer ai are preloaded in, they are just invisible and inactive

[bitter mason]

Always watching 👁️ 👁️

[crude prism]

the M32A1 is a horrible decision and will allow ALL the new players to "skirt" contemporary nonlethal gameplay with semi-automatic-grenade-launching-power

[stable kernel]

Me when power creep

[pine drum]

There's not a lot of ai on some maps.

[bitter mason]

I was playing swat 4 sef earlier and I always slept on the grenade launchers in that until today
Using the rotary launcher with gas was powerful

[edgy linden]

I miss the old flash launcher before it was buggy and more oftenly killed you instantly upon shooting it

[bitter mason]

Fill a large room in moments with just a few shots

Gonna be nuts in ron

[warped cave]

Theoretically, what if i were to secure 15 suspects, line them up and execute them, could i still get the achievement

[crude prism]

I don't mean to say that nonlethal is particularly "hard" just that it's not really possible to cheese as hard with current tools
you still have to PLAY the game, instead of just lobbing AOE stun effects at a high rate of fire

[bitter mason]

I think that's how some people got the achievement idk if it was patched

[crude prism]

this is actually the recommended way to do it

[warped cave]

[edgy linden]

I like running my AI mods because it demands slower and more methodical clearing of angles and rooms or else you ded.

60 suspects with better aim, and tactics will do that :3

[crude prism]

lmao

[bitter mason]

Oh the duality of ron players

[edgy linden]

watches 5 people rage quit charging front entrance like it's vanilla 😾

[pine drum]

Is it absolutely semi auto, or does it have a limit how fast it can shoot?

[crude prism]

idk man, I don't think that "pack every meter with suspects" is an experience most people want

[bitter mason]

If I'm to guess it might have similar recoil to like the semi auto shotguns

Where it's just very high if you spam it

[edgy linden]

They usually don't make it past the first 3-4 suspects before dying and quitting

[pine drum]

Honestly might work in my favor.

[warped cave]

should i use a mg338 💀

[edgy linden]

And also some maps are more specific, I've run some maps where it's barely above 10 and the vanilla gamers charge in and die to one suspect

[pine drum]

YES!

There's a mod for that.

[warped cave]

I have it lmao

imma do it in multiplayer mode so i dont get executed by my ai

[pine drum]

I want an M60 mod, because the LAPD has 2 for their SWAT Team

[bitter mason]

Im yet to actually touch ready or not public matches

[crude prism]

this is how fast it shot before

[bitter mason]

Bro called in an a10 with special flash rounds

[pine drum]

That's just how many grenades there are, but still an insane amount.

All going off at once.

[cedar mulch]

Do you have a spreadsheet about the game?

[pine drum]

Oh god, imagine if they added 9 bang rounds. 💀

[bitter mason]

If only they'd add 9 bangs

[bitter mason]

Imagine they don't add 9 bangs but they add them for the grenade launcher

[stable kernel]

He hath been summoned

Post the vid

[crude prism]

Currently the M32A1 in the game files shoots at 120rpm, so probably that fast

[crude prism]

no relation

[pine drum]

So apparently puckle guns and a Russian navy autocannon has the same firerate.

Like that's a slow firerate for anything BUT A GRENADE LAUNCHER

[pine drum]

Is that the website I think it is?

[stable kernel]

Get your mind out of the gutter

[crude prism]

LMAO

[stable kernel]

It’s literally a google spreadsheet

[pine drum]

Oh..

[crude prism]

it's just the introduction page of the RoN sheet

[pine drum]

Fuck you bro.

🤣

[marble sequoia]

i got a job working for the Los Suenos police Department SWATTEAM

im gonna use this has a profile pic

[pine drum]

I wish I could send pics because I just found something so cursed... 💀

[crude prism]

it's colored like that for moral support

[stable kernel]

Made by a person at their wits end

[marble sequoia]

🤔

[pine drum]

Apparently void interactive is selling a JUDGE BODY PILLOW.

[stable kernel]

And the update looms over all of us

[warped cave]

how am i supposed to get this done even with a machine gun when none of these people want to surrender

should i just bring a shit tone of machine gun ammo and 9 bangers

[marble sequoia]

[pine drum]

My name is David Beaumont, yo!

I work for the LSPD, yo!

Uh huh..!

The USIA told me EVERYTHING...

[crude prism]

🗣️🔥

[warped cave]

amen

[marble sequoia]

[pine drum]

I'm so sorry. 🤣

[marble sequoia]

[pine drum]

Wish I knew how to animate that.

[cedar mulch]

Why doesn't the suspect's armor use the same mechanism as SWAT?

[pine drum]

Feel like it does. You shoot around there armor, it hits them

[stable kernel]

It does not

Suspects with ceramic would be significantly more difficult to kill if it worked like player ceramic

[pine drum]

Ah, so their armor is tougher.

I get it.

[stable kernel]

Same for steel, if it actually had the full reduction

[crude prism]

our armor is tougher, Ceramic and Steel are technically impenetrable (even when ceramic is broken)

[pine drum]

Maybe I've forgotten because I use bullets hurt now.

[stable kernel]

Indeed

2 5.56 ap or bigger will 99% drop any suspect to the chest no questions asked

Use pistol rounds against armor and you’re in for a bad time

[crude prism]

plunk plunk plunk plunk plunk plunk plunk plunk plunk plunk

no effect on target, suspect dies from boredom

[stable kernel]

Real

[pine drum]

Again, I use "bullets hurt now" so they'll get incapacitated but not killed with two or three 45 JHP

[outer fossil]

any tips on s ranking the spider?

[desert island]

roof first

then spam gas into the central area

[warped cave]

Welp i give up for the night

[desert island]

i finished the speedrun 1hr 41 mins

[warped cave]

speedrun for what

[desert island]

trick is to kill civilians after bringing order so they cant team kill u before mission ends

all missions in ironman

[warped cave]

Ohh

[pine drum]

Now I want to see more borked AI from early RoN

[covert aurora]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/452425840274309120/1383604776243167313/Quad_Kill.gif

[crude prism]

what version of the game is the SE archive in? could be ancient

good for memes

[pine drum]

Fucking AI doing MLG strats

[covert aurora]

Lol

[covert aurora]

No idea

[pine drum]

But yeah no, someone showed that earlier. I could watch a montage of that shit.

[upbeat shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934498235286974565/1381477231972585532/Suspect_moment.gif

[stable kernel]

The montage would be mostly the death sound and falling to the ground

When the old AI wanted you dead, you died

[covert aurora]

oh that's a good one!

[covert aurora]

they just look at your direction and they fall over.

[desert island]

my favorite is walking into port hokan and ppl see u thru the opaque windows and start shooting at u from the top floor for the rest of the map

[covert aurora]

and then you got the ai use just headshot you through walls without seeing you

[pine drum]

AI trickshot

[covert aurora]

yep

[desert island]

AI can headshot u thru walls cuz they can see u thru walls

[covert aurora]

yep

[desert island]

if u use the mirror gun you can see them stare at u thru the door and track where ur going

and some transparent windows they dont have LOS on u but do the sinister follow u around

[warped moon]

how do I play custom level mods

[mossy flax]

I’ve never used a non lethal other than beanbag shotgun, do you need a gas mask to arrest people you just used the paper ball gun on?

[desert island]

pepperball breaks and releases pepper aoe, if u walk into it without a gas mask u get peppered

[mossy flax]

Aight

[finite seal]

@tacit gull where's the staircase, gratr, you told me there is a staircase.

is it the -nal staircase?

[mossy flax]

What am I supposed to do if a suspect takes a hostage but I need an s rank

Everything non lethal I try, simply causes them to shoot the civilian

[covert aurora]

what non lethal weapon are you using?

[forest knot]

ngl im chalking commander mode

i am not getting past that hospital mission bc its making me mad

dunno where this bomb is, and the ai have no common sense

5 GUNS AIMED AT YA CRANIUM AND YOUR GREAT IDEA IS TO DUMP MAG INTO TEAM LEAD

[cinder wren]

anyone trying to help us S-rank carriers of the vine

[sand slate]

😎

[finite seal]

just give up gang

[mossy flax]

Rip

[finite seal]

as a person that has s-ranked every mission, the trick is to play the mission through the perspective of an actual swat officer

you have to be considerate of your surroundings, what you have as gear, what your officers have as gear, rely on your ai team mates

[covert aurora]

what starting point?

[forest knot]

main lobby

[finite seal]

bombs are on the third floor, start at hospital parking lot

[forest knot]

alright that makes that simpler

[finite seal]

always shoot first with nonlethal ask questions later

command compliance

[forest knot]

see, Ion do non lethal

[finite seal]

relapse is easy, quadamah is always on second floor in MRI Room

quadamah always has a hostage with him so go sneakily or just c2 the door

[forest knot]

the only problem I got is the bombs which just got solved

I'll gain the patience to try it again later

[finite seal]

you have 20 minutes to defuse the bombs gang

[covert aurora]

fair enough

[forest knot]

Yeah, and I was going slowly throughout the entire building starting from main lobby

I was being very thorough

[finite seal]

sukuna, just play 4u gas station until you can go quick and efficient

[forest knot]

alr

[finite seal]

theres a rule for this, its called the S.P.E

Suspects, Persons, Evidence

You deal with suspects first, check on civilians then gather evidence

every suspect you take out, you should check on the civillian if there is any, if there is no civillian gather their evidence

then proceed to your objective, which in relapse, is to the bomb

clear connecting rooms up to a detachment of 2 then proceed to your objective

keep it pushing, do not stop for evidence.

[warped moon]

any1 know why when I try to do mission it put me in man screen

[finite seal]

idk darius garland do you have mods installed

[warped moon]

yeah it was js orking tho

[finite seal]

do u have mods installed darius

[warped moon]

yes

[finite seal]

are u playing on safe mode

[warped moon]

ye

wait idk

[finite seal]

dont play on safe mode

do you have directx11 or directx12

[warped moon]

i fixed it

12

[finite seal]

ok

congrats

[warped moon]

nvm

i didnt

[buoyant pecan]

Element to TOC, send 19 crack addicts with hammers to this man’s house immediately

[shell scaffold]

the best feeling in this game is when you see “Objective Complete: Bring order to Chaos”

[shell scaffold]

why not

[thorny perch]

Especially on that map you’ve been trying to hard to beat

[shell scaffold]

valley of the dolls😭🙏

[tacit gull]

No

aw man i missed shitting on the game balance last night

[pine drum]

For me it was Neon tomb and Relapse when I was trying S rank them

[shadow oasis]

batter ram or the shotgun to breach a door?

[cursive minnow]

I always stick to shotgun.

[shadow oasis]

whats more safer for the officer?

[spring saddle]

if i downloaded a whole bunch of custom maps, should i only enable a couple? because im worried people cant join because itll take a long ass time to download all the maps

or does the mods not work like that

[shy tulip]

If it's installed, it's functional

You also do not join mods when joining people

[desert island]

shotgun has more range, but doesnt fully open the door only makes holes in it and has to reload and has limited ammo

[tacit gull]

"limited ammo" to clear about 2 big maps

[sand slate]

What is the largest map

[tacit gull]

shotgun does swing doors open and unlike the ram it can open at 2 different angles

I think the lenghtiest might be port

[sand slate]

Port, never heard of that one

[tacit gull]

But with resort's 2 floors it might have the most doors

[sand slate]

More doors or wheels?

[tacit gull]

what

[sand slate]

Does the world have more doors or wheels.

[woeful prawn]

toes for sure

[gentle void]

hospital is pretty large

[sand slate]

Yeah

[gentle void]

dont know if its larger than port area wise

[marble sequoia]

if you smack a suspect befor you put on zips ties do you get in truuble?

[amber dock]

If they are surrendered then yes

[cursive minnow]

Should be fine as long as they're standing up and non compliant.

[amber dock]

I assume you mean the bash and not the slap on the head we do when we restrain them

Cause the latter is part of the animation and don’t give any deductions

[marble sequoia]

[shadow oasis]

why is my officer throwing things when he has nothing equipped when i order to throw a cs gas

[coarse yarrow]

is there going to be crossplay on console release

[amber dock]

yep

[coarse yarrow]

thanks

[shadow oasis]

i just read the damage sheets why are jhps for pistol lowk so terrible

also when there is "aterial bleed" does that mean more damage or literally bleed

[bitter mason]

literal bleed, if you hit someone in an atery area and they start to bleed they will die after a couple seconds

Also JHP rounds are designed to sort of flatten and deform when they hit something to reduce penetration, good for police as it can prevent collateral damage. Pistol rounds are small as is so also being JHP make them particularly weak against armour

JHP is better against flesh, AP against armour

[silver palm]

RoNsole is in less than a month

[next bay]

Are there any mods that let me shoot people in the lobby? 😭

[amber dock]

why?

[silver palm]

👁️

[next bay]

My friend doesn't stop talking. 💀

[amber dock]

@cursive minnow knows probs

[marble sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/ndbt-sign-language-too-much-talking-gif-15655828

[craggy loom]

oh heres ranking?

i just saw that there is mission rankings

[sand hull]

24 days until Ronsole, people

[still willow]

I can't wait any longer

[sand hull]

i’m going to explode if i have to wait any longer

[loud steeple]

It feels like forever

[sand hull]

it does, especially since i’ve been counting down 😭

i started researching the legality and ethics of being put into a medically induced coma to skip the time

[buoyant pecan]

TOC, this is entry team. Requesting 20 enraged warthogs with rabies to suspect’s location

[warped moon]

bro why doI keep being put in loading screenw hen I try to play

[ashen scroll]

holy shit, I just tried the mpx for the first time after the 1.0 update and its so damn good

they did my boy so good

[spring saddle]

mods = a whole new world

[empty siren]

Hello all!

[craggy loom]

im excited for this games release man (console)

it looks like a really good shooter that actually requires brain usage

[worn sun]

@craggy loom can u invite to that gta 6 server? 😄

[craggy loom]

?

[craggy loom]

wdym

[worn sun]

like, u have gta 6 server tag, can u invite me to that server?

[craggy loom]

click on the tag and you can

[worn sun]

cant

[craggy loom]

are you on mobile

[worn sun]

nope

there is no option to join

[craggy loom]

if you are on desktop you just click on it and it says join server

[pine drum]

TOC, this is entry team, release the hounds!

[craggy loom]

what does TOC mean?

[pine drum]

Tactical operations command

[craggy loom]

oh okay

[gentle void]

anyone knows who plays the TOC voice?

[craggy loom]

an actor

[tacit gull]

no way

[warped cave]

gonna try sleeper agent and S rank on relapse again 🙏

[rigid depot]

Hashbrown should be in ronsole

[still willow]

Hash brown should be a 9-bang

[bitter mason]

hash brown grenade mod

[warped cave]

Technically should've got S, but i guess i didn't? but anyway do my mods effect if i can get S rank?

also when i complete relapse it says "personal best S" so shouldn't i have the achievement at 17/18??

[bitter mason]

Ive had an s rank bug out on a mission due to mods but thats becasue it placed the map into the modded levels category due to some of the AI changes

is there another mission you havent S ranked?

[pine drum]

Does the gasmask break?

[tacit gull]

No

[pine drum]

Huh... Kinda wish they did

It would be a fun mechanic that forces your to adapt

[tacit gull]

void doesn't do those

[pine drum]

Unless it's by accident apparently

[craggy loom]

why

not really realistic, only break if you get shot in the face

[pine drum]

You realize you can survive being shot in the face both IRL and in game right?

[craggy loom]

did i say otherwise?

[pine drum]

Then how is it unrealistic?

[craggy loom]

im talking about the gasmasks

not your likelyhood of survivng a headshot

[pine drum]

Yeah, it could still break if shot.

[craggy loom]

yeah

[pine drum]

Even if it doesn't directly hit you, it could hit the filter.

[craggy loom]

but... why?

[craggy loom]

idk the anatomy of gask masks

[pine drum]

It kinda shows.

But yeah no, gas masks need an airtight seal to work. Even a crack in the glass can compromise them.

[bitter mason]

Its like a teeny thing but I feel like head hitboxes for NPCs could be a bit better. a civie was taken hostage once and I shot the suspect right in the face but just clipped the civvies ear and killed them too

[pine drum]

OK you can get grazed but suspects and civilians can't?

That's fucking stupid.

[bitter mason]

I think its more the helmet tanks the shots though im not sure

the helmet I believe functions the same as ceramic in that it has its own health and will break when it takes enough damage, usually can only withstand a single shot from most guns

[pine drum]

It happens even after the helmet breaks tho.

[bitter mason]

huh

I mean I dont seem to get hit in the head much really my poor arms and legs take the most beating

[pine drum]

Sometimes the helmet doesn't break either. It just happens.

[pine drum]

I always end up getting shot in the legs

Which yk, if I was taking on an armored opponent in a gunfight that's where I'd shoot

[bitter mason]

what NPCs really need tho is some actual locational debuffs

limping when shot in the leg, lower accuracy or even disarming a suspect when shot in the hand

[pine drum]

I've been saying this. See we might not agree on everything but we agree on a lot.

[bitter mason]

definitely some things I think would improve the game are subjective, but others are pretty much just objective truth

[pine drum]

Though I think the Suspects do have a limp mechanic but it doesn't work as well as it should.

It's just a different animation

[bitter mason]

from what I've seen they "Limp" when a leg artery is bleeding

so the animation is there

it just needs to be used for a proper injury system

[pine drum]

We also need suspects to retreat when under direct fire from multiple people.

They kinda just stand therem

[bitter mason]

definitely

suspects seem to be just hard coded to open fire when they encounter you if they dont surrender

running away seems to just be something they do during a fight rather than a possibilty when they see you

[pine drum]

Well not all, but some. Meth heads and mentally unwell characters would probably have less sense of self preservation

[bitter mason]

yeah ofc ofc

Meth heads should be the least predictable suspects imo

[pine drum]

Like I'd imagine the school shooter characters would be some of the most aggressive and least willing to give up even when hit with LTL

[bitter mason]

but I honestly think skilled suspects need to hunker down more, less charging the entire swat team just to get killed, even if they do manage to kill the player they still die

Suspects dont really have spacial awareness too they really like to just stand infront of doors or out in the open, they dont hide in corners much or hold angles, they just kinda stand there

They also know every locked and wedged door so you wont get situations where they might run away to attempt to flank or hide just to run into a wedged door they didnt expect Which can happen in swat 4

and that also ties into the fact NPCs dont actually need to interact with doors, they kick them open with their minds

[craggy loom]

didnt even know you needed gas masks in the game

[pine drum]

I feel like I have a different experience than most. Either that or I'm just personally fine with most of the AI being set based on the level. It makes sense for certain groups like the hand or left behind to be less compliant over all. However for groups like Voll's guards or the Mindjot guards, not so much.

[pine drum]

You can end up friendly firing with pepperballs or tear gas if you don't use them.

[craggy loom]

whats pepperballs

[pine drum]

The LTL option for primaries

[craggy loom]

?

[pine drum]

Besides beanbag shotguhs

[craggy loom]

ive not played the game yet, hasnt released

i dont know what these are

[pine drum]

Ah, you're gonna play on RoNsole, huh?

[craggy loom]

no Xbox, not heard of that

[bitter mason]

my issue is more that its a game thats challenge should be more around Rules of Engagement and arresting suspects only shooting as a last resport.
But even now AI can often feel like they're more for a military shooter where you just have to kill everyone, though it is better now than it used to be, theres still some work I think that could be done
also suspects seem to be playing a movement shooter and we're playing a tactical shooter lol

[craggy loom]

ohh Ready Or Not sole

[pine drum]

Yeah it's a meme amongst the community

[bitter mason]

less than lethal, guns and stuff designed to not kill the enemy so you can arrest them

[craggy loom]

would rather kill them

[pine drum]

You can't get the whole story without s ranking, which requires LTL

[craggy loom]

some of these situations are terrorist stuff, kill em

[bitter mason]

you get a better mission score if you arrest suspects

[craggy loom]

theres a story mode?

[bitter mason]

I see S ranking as more of an extra bonus not really somethign you have to go for

[bitter mason]

kinda

missions have stories tied to them, some tie in with one another

[craggy loom]

okay

ill keep an eye on that then when i play, excited for the release

[bitter mason]

Much of it you have to figure out for yourself

but missions do have briefings that give you a rundown of the situation and the people involved

[craggy loom]

i miss when r6 siege had a good story

[pine drum]

I'll say RoNsole has a good story, the main problem is plotholes that can be fixed.

[bitter mason]

yeah plotholes and little mistakes and the game being a little unfinished
but the story is there

to get the most out of it you have to look into it yourself more and pay attention to your surroundings

[pine drum]

There's only one unforgivable mistake IMO... And I won't spoil it

However again they can change it.

[craggy loom]

yeah please dont spoil

[pine drum]

Question for Celdis

[craggy loom]

can this game be actually disturbing, ive heard it can be

[pine drum]

It absolutely can be.

[bitter mason]

Aye

[craggy loom]

thats nice

love some realistic games that actually give you real fear and disgust

[pine drum]

Does the grenade launcher kill people if you DMP them?

[bitter mason]

Not quite sure

It should

[pine drum]

Especially if it's a flashbang or a sting ball

[craggy loom]

whats DMP?

[pine drum]

Direct Impact

[craggy loom]

it will kill them even if not

its essentailly a bomb launcher

[pine drum]

Realistically it should.

But that's not always what happens.

[bitter mason]

It's not loaded with high explosives

[pine drum]

Also, there's people who've been hit with teargas 40mms IRL during riots

And they survive.

[bitter mason]

Flashbang grenades or stingball grenades (they explode into small rubber balls that hurt a lot)

It should deal damage potential to incap or kill but I don't actually know, I've not used the grenade launchers much

[craggy loom]

a grenade launcher

[bitter mason]

Yeah

Grenades aren't always super explosive

[craggy loom]

then it would be a flashbang launcher

[bitter mason]

Flashbangs are grenades

[craggy loom]

but they wouldnt name them the same

[bitter mason]

Grenade is just a blanket name for throwable explosives

Though even that isn't fully accurate properly

But flashbangs are grenades
The grenade launcher is the same launcher that would fire deadly grenades but are just loaded with less lethal ones because you're a swat team

[pine drum]

There is one case I can think of where the police used an actual explosive to take out a suspect, and it was the Vegas shooter.

[craggy loom]

yeah i dont know much about swat, this game just looks like tactical fun

[pine drum]

Cause you're from the UK, I'm not surprised. From what I hear, how police handle high risk warrants and counter terrorism over there is completely different

[bitter mason]

The game isn't as much about going around killing terrorists, it's more apprehending suspects and arresting them and killing them more as a last resort. A swat team is police not military fighting a war. So the equipment is more reflective of swat teams than military the main difference being you're not packing frag grenades

We have the armed police in the UK and I'm sure they're somewhat similar just don't usually have to deal with guys with guns most of the time

[pine drum]

Yeah, but don't the SAS usually handle counter terrorism?

[bitter mason]

Your regular Bobby isn't armed

[pine drum]

IK, but they also have different doctrine if I remember correctly

[bitter mason]

SAS is military not law enforcement

[pine drum]

IK, it's part of why it's different

[bitter mason]

Yeah

But we do have a swat equivalent

[pine drum]

The police equivalent is CTSFO right?

[craggy loom]

ive only ever seen a gun at an airport in real life

[bitter mason]

Same

[pine drum]

As an American in the south east, they're a common occurrence. It's normal and nothing to be alarmed by unless they're acting strange or irrate.

[bitter mason]

If I'm correct the UKs strict gun enforcement came after a school shooting

You can legally own a gun but it is muuuuch harder and has a lot of regulation

[pine drum]

We're getting off topic here.

[bitter mason]

My friend would go shooting and knew someone who was allowed guns he had a revolver that legally had to be a certain length so it was comically long

[pine drum]

Was it one of those 16 inch barrel revolvers?

[bitter mason]

Yep

[pine drum]

Shit probably looked like jokers revolver from the original batman movie.

[bitter mason]

It did I saw a picture of it

[pine drum]

That shit ain't the big iron, it's the bigger iron

[craggy loom]

i just wanna play this game not wait like 3 weeks

[pine drum]

One thing that annoys me is how people think swat having the equipment it does is only a recent thing.

[craggy loom]

?

[pine drum]

Like it's recent in the sense it's the most up to date, but they've always had militaristic gear.

[craggy loom]

are swat expensive to mantain?

[pine drum]

Very! Sometimes agencies outsource their SWAT to state or sister agencies.

[craggy loom]

then how come they spend more sending swat teams to ranom people online just because some random called them up and told them to

[pine drum]

There's two types of SWAT too. Volunteer and Professional. Professional is where the officers are purely SWAT and do nothing but drills when they aren't deployed. Volunteer the officers are picked from patrol officers.

[flat sigil]

They don’t know it’s a fake call

[craggy loom]

well they never have any proof of it

[pine drum]

Professional SWAT teams are way more expensive in money and in resources. Volunteer S.W.A.T is cheaper and more effective for smaller towns.

LAPD and NYCPD have professional SWAT teams

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/no-shit-arnold-arnie-for-real-gif-13833818

[craggy loom]

is it likely a succesful online personality would randomly turn to becoming a national threat with no signs of them going downhill beforehand?

actor for micheal in gta v got swatted like 3 times

[bitter mason]

They cant just brush off a call because they think its not true

[flat sigil]

They don’t do investigations before going to a shooting or bomb threat dawg

[pine drum]

SWATTING is a crime.

[craggy loom]

well it seems to be happening alot

and people dont get in trouble for it, join a gta online PC lobby and you will be doxxed, banned and possibly swatted within the first week of playing

[pine drum]

Yeah, police and streamers are adapting to it now.

[flat sigil]

It’s time sensitive, they don’t got time to investigate

[pine drum]

Usually cops will knock and announce their presence or call a phone inside to check.

Also, you can inform the PD before hand that you might get S.W.A.Ted

[craggy loom]

how would you know

could happen at 1am when you are sleeping

its just weird it happens so much and they dont always get caught

[pine drum]

Just saying, it's possible. Streamers have done it after getting threats of being SWATed

[flat sigil]

It usually happens while people are streaming

[craggy loom]

true

[pine drum]

Sometimes police check the stream if they know the streamer

[shell scaffold]

oh my god one of the suspects on the valley of the dolls map refuses to get on the ground after giving up his guns. I’ve literally emptied every taser round I have into him, as well as bashing him, hell I shot him in the legs with non lethal and lethal rounds, I fucking give up I lost an S run to this

and on a restart a suspect just spawns in. WHAT THE FUCKKK

[warped cave]

What is the easiest way to beat Relapse on S rank?

[bitter mason]

will power

or ai mods

[marble sequoia]

they might have a warrent

[pine drum]

So I'm messing around with the drone mod, and I see why controllable drones aren't a thing

[marble sequoia]

there drones in game?

[pine drum]

It's a mod that adds deployable drones. One's a recon drone with a strobe that blinds enemies, the other is a bomb drone.

[marble sequoia]

wow ok good to f know

[pine drum]

I don't use the bomb drone because well... I'm pretty sure police don't use those unless there's an active shooter.

Like that one time in vegas

But they're great for open maps, and allow you to find enemies and better approach certain situations

[marble sequoia]

bet

[pine drum]

Like is there a guy with a clear shot who'll absolutely obliterate you if you round the corner? Fly a drone over them and strobe them.

[bitter mason]

I do think just making drones on some maps function like the dark water chopper would be best, being able to control it would be nice, but if its like the dw chopper it makes it feel like there are more people taking part in the swat operation

but that mod does sound neat

[pseudo comet]

Does anyone know if console release will have that same head cam feature that pc does? I’ve always thought that was sick

[bitter mason]

probably

just waiting for them to let us command our squad through it

[pseudo comet]

That would be amazing

[bitter mason]

yea

[pine drum]

Also use the drones on Sineous trail inside the server rooms to clear it.

Since they're open enough

[bitter mason]

ghost recon all the levels

[pine drum]

I mean a LOT of larger police departments use drones now

[bitter mason]

makes sense

age of drones

[pine drum]

Nvm, the drones suck inside sinuous trail because of how close the servers are to shit attached to the ceiling

Still good to clear the outside

[bitter mason]

that fucking server room strikes again

[pine drum]

I'd imagine the drone might be good inside the wearhouse on Hide and Seek though

[bitter mason]

definitely

do suspects react to it at all or not

[pine drum]

They seem to go into alert status when they hear or see it.

[bitter mason]

Suspect on port watching a police drone just fly up right into their face

[pine drum]

With a fucking grenade attached if you use the explosive version.

Imagine being a criminal and you get fucking Ukrained.

Yeah they go from idle to alert so they'd be more likely to shoot you if they spot you

[bitter mason]

somewhat impressed the mod is that in depth

though knowing this game it might just be unlocking and patching up some unused mechanics

[pine drum]

About to test the drone on brixley

Also heads up, you might need to fly over invisible walls

[pine drum]

But yeah no the strobe actually is more useful than I thought it was.

[idle dirge]

Blow up Brixley, he deserves it

[pine drum]

If his ass would go outside.

But y'all two downloading the mod off of nexus?

[idle dirge]

I can’t play rn

My laptop is malfunctioning

[pine drum]

Ah fair.

[idle dirge]

I got it to work on a laptop somehow

[pine drum]

Also, it's funny because you can deploy the drone in the police station and fuck with frineds by strobing their ass.

[tulip portal]

hello guys i am trying to join my friend in game

but it says connection has been lost all the time

what do?

[tawdry laurel]

Quick question guys I’m an inferior console gamer and I was just wondering if the devs have made any comments on whether RoN is going the be enhanced for the PS5 Pro? Can’t find any info anywhere

[amber dock]

No enhanced versions or anything no

[tawdry laurel]

Ah that’s a shame but thanks for the quick reply. Maybe it’ll just run a little better in the background with the upgraded hardware some games aren’t pro enhanced but hold the fps a bit better or stutter less ect

[desert island]

how many 7.62 rounds does helmet and ballistic mask stop

[amber dock]

Probs

[pearl pendant]

Hi all, soon to be PlayStation Player, any tips for upcoming beginners from the PC side of things?

[amber dock]

Play the tutorial

[pearl pendant]

lol, will do

[amber dock]

It’s not amazing but it will teach you the basics

[pearl pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

Aw dang it

[ashen pawn]

as a first time player, a lethal obsession can absolutely, entirely get fucked

[pearl pendant]

Thanks btw

Can’t wait for it to fully release to console 😭

[desert island]

how many cop slots are there

nvm

[pine drum]

Man narcos has never been easier with the the drone mod

[indigo wolf]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[amber dock]

yeah

[indigo wolf]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[amber dock]

cause ideally you shouldn't

[indigo wolf]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[amber dock]

it's a sidearm that is only supposed to be pulled out if your main weapon for whatever reason can't fire

that's the whole point of a sidearm

[main dove]

Is the new update live yet?

[merry bloom]

No?

Its on July 15th gng

[main dove]

Damn. Uninstalling, unsubscribing, calling the police, the CIA, the FBI, leaking the group chat, calling my mom.

Anyways, anyone getting weird AI bugs where the friendlies go pacifist?

My squad just stared at a dude and screamed at him to put his hands up while he just slowly shot them all to death

they had ammo

[dense quarry]

a shotgun secondary would be really funny to combo with shield

[desert island]

i did pistol only runs they are terrible weapons but thats intended

u pretty much have to sneak up on every suspect and 1 shot them in the dome

[swift verge]

yo guys do you think it should be an issue for south american to play with north american pingwise

[glass saffron]

I don’t think so but you might want to check just in case

[dense quarry]

it should be fine, im european and played a lot with a north american player

ping was alright

[pine drum]

Why does bro got a rizzy robloxian?

I did not just say that. 🤦

[stable kernel]

[covert aurora]

[stable kernel]

[torpid rain]

are saves/ inventory saves backed up to steam cloud

[crude prism]

yes

[torpid rain]

okay ty

[stable kernel]

Yesn't

[undone aspen]

would you rather buy DLC1 or DLC2? i have exactly 13.99$ in steam wallet and each DLC is 13.99$ (AUD), i was thinking of dark waters but would like to know which dlcs you guys prefer

[desert island]

dark water

[merry bloom]

Dark waters for sure the maps are definitely better and the Dlc as a whole is more content heavy.

[desert island]

triad beach and oil rig r my fav

[chilly thorn]

Yall see that gameplay of stolen valor lowkey looks like it might end up being my favorite map in the game

[merry bloom]

Yeah it looks pretty cool I like that its another blackout map.

[stone bay]

Hello, guys, I have one question. Does this playstaion update will be included on PC?

[humble mauve]

yes! if you ignore the game coming to consoles all changes/new features they have shown are all base game updates

the game will just now be on consoles too

[undone aspen]

wait arent there new maps coming with console release?

[stone bay]

Yes

[covert aurora]

yep!

@humble mauve waves

[humble mauve]

helo

[covert aurora]

how are you?

[humble mauve]

chillin hbu

[covert aurora]

chillin

watching a friend of mine play the broken arrow campaign

[humble mauve]

good good

I keep seeing that

[covert aurora]

it is a fantastic game

[merry bloom]

Two of them but possibly more in the future

[marble sequoia]

ROOOOOOOONSTERS AND ROOOOONETS for out men and woman we will fight to take LOS SUENOS BACK

[bitter mason]

Stolen valor? Is that one of the new maps coming

[violet dagger]

it is

[bitter mason]

Ah yeah just double checked the dev brief
Where is the gameplay of it tho I've not seen that

[marble sequoia]

sorry to but in whats this new mission about?

[cursive minnow]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[urban walrus]

skip to 6:15

[bitter mason]

Baller ty

[bitter mason]

Don't think we know that much just yet other than it's a search and rescue in an abandoned apartment building