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[lost inlet]

Use max suspects mod, select active shooter, blocked off every entry way without alerting the map, pick one door to hold, place c2 onto it, fish in a barrel

The suspects straight up just started swarming out of the entry way

[scarlet flax]

Interesting. I started playing like December of last year just before the big AI update I think. All the levels were finalized by then.

[modest bear]

there was also a decently big test map that had zero textures and was there to test the Barricaded Suspects AI

[shy tulip]

I believe you are talking about penthouse which I think became Brisa.

Was a sky scraper with a lot of halls blocked by luggage and stuff

[lost inlet]

What about the motel map?

[shy tulip]

that was hotel which was remade into Sins

[lost inlet]

It is? The layout is also the same?

[modest bear]

I was wondering where I had seen sins before....

[shy tulip]

No, it was completely remade from the ground up

Old hotel had gone through a long history of changes and they eventually just remade it into something that fit the current game better

[lost inlet]

I c

[modest bear]

yeah, hotel had scaffolding and construction and stuff

[upbeat shore]

2021 Wenderlys was my favorite 🥹

[shy tulip]

Was that when it was clearing the entire hotel

[modest bear]

yep

[lost inlet]

Fun days

[scarlet flax]

Do you guys have access to these old maps with the Supporter Edition or whatever it’s called? Or have they been lost to time?

[upbeat shore]

2 floors was it?

[modest bear]

lost

[shy tulip]

They are not exactly lost to time, but you have to use SteamDB to revert your game.

[modest bear]

was 213 Park Homes different? It feels smaller than it was

[glacial ridge]

There are mods available from what I was told that have the old maps too

[shy tulip]

If you want the really OG versions you'd need the SE build to go even further back

[upbeat shore]

Lost, but some will be and some already are remade as mod.

[lost inlet]

It’s larger now

[obsidian hornet]

Mod suggestion: Enemies with bombvests will yell CHEEKI BREEKI at earrape volume levels before exploding

[lost inlet]

You need to clear both the house and the tunnel

[shy tulip]

Twisted Nerve is smaller than early access I want to say, just because of the laundry matt being closed.

[modest bear]

really? The removal of that little side garage makes it feel smaller

[glacial ridge]

It was one house, the main one not the fumigation house, it had 2 floors in the back garage/house and it had that laundry mat by the beginning accessible

[lost inlet]

^

[upbeat shore]

Scratch the tunnel and give me back the laundry mat

[glacial ridge]

the tunnel was always a thing, the laundry mat literally only ever had like 1-2 people in it ever lol

[lost inlet]

The one you where you spawned at the beginning of the level?

[modest bear]

yep

[upbeat shore]

Would love Meth as a day map too

[glacial ridge]

that garage is still there, you just don't start there anymore because a main issue was being spawn killed literally seconds into spawning in

[lost inlet]

You can still go in there

[modest bear]

where you found the first meth bag

not the garage, sorry. the one that was to the right of you when you spawned in

[glacial ridge]

I would love ALL the maps getting the addition of picking time of day instead of it being locked to a certain time

Just adds to the replayability

[upbeat shore]

Never gonna happen sadly

[glacial ridge]

its a shame, i also miss picking diff modes for each map

[lost inlet]

It’ll remains in the boid’s void

[shy tulip]

I don't see them adding time of day without bloating the game size again or switching to more performance demanding options

[lost inlet]

Raid is peak game mode

[glacial ridge]

I can understand it all being preset for commander, but let it be in MP 😢

[glacial ridge]

I enjoyed raid and bomb threat was fun on any map lol

[modest bear]

I wish they would bring back raid, but that'll never happen

[scarlet flax]

What is that?

[lost inlet]

Bomb threat certainly a trip when you have a team of players

[glacial ridge]

Just not when it's elephant because then it's active shooter and bomb threat at the same time lol

[glacial ridge]

The original pre-1.0 version had the ability to pick different modes. Raid was literally like next to no hostages and all suspects. Bomb threat is in the name, it's like doing hospital on diff maps

[lost inlet]

Game modes before the void removed it

[glacial ridge]

Where u defuse bombs

[modest bear]

There were 5:
Barricaded suspects: the normal gamemode we see today. Be mindful of RoE, lots of civilians, etc
Raid: No RoE, less civilians, lots of suspects, go nuts
Hostage: like elephant but without the bombs, also any noise of any kind got the hostages killed
Bomb Threat: Elephant without the hostage situation. Just you, two bombs, and a lot of suspects
Active Shooter: less suspects (1+), going around and shooting civilians. Get in, subdue them, save the civvies, get out.

[shy tulip]

You're forgetting the part of active shooter where they would take 5 seconds to start blasting and in hostage you couldn't make a peep before they started killing

[modest bear]

I touched on the last point

[shy tulip]

Only OGs know how you had to split your team in coop to attempt to beat hotel

[glacial ridge]

"Hostage: like elephant but without the bombs, also any noise of any kind got the hostages killed"

[glacial ridge]

For what mode, I always beat it sticking together both in Barricaded and bomb threat

[shy tulip]

Hostage

The hostages* were always far apart and hitting one room would cause the second room to execute

[glacial ridge]

Ah yeah, for hostage it just makes sense to split up lol

[shy tulip]

you had to hit the two very fast

[glacial ridge]

who came up with the achievement for 3 letter triad btw

it is absolutely nuts and it makes sense why its at 0% completion

[lost inlet]

Just use mod

[glacial ridge]

In other words, just cheat for it. No thanks.

Will I ever get the achievement done? Probably not, but I'll never cheat to do it.

[shy tulip]

Pretty sure it was play tested too, so you're just not as good as John Void

[glacial ridge]

i know john void isnt the person who made the last video about armor that player was awful

But yeah, I don't have the patience to get that one done, it definitely requires a combination of communication with every1 on board to get the achievement, and luckl

[lost inlet]

Ehh suit yourself

[glacial ridge]

I will, I'm not a cheater and that's all that matters

The point of achievements, are to feel like you achieved something lol

[lost inlet]

fair enough, something that you're already better than me

[uncut ridge]

what is it?

[lone raven]

Wall.

[glacial ridge]

Aprehend or incapacitate 15 suspects within 15 seconds of each one

[uncut ridge]

oh god

[lone raven]

Oh, not the secret one?

[glacial ridge]

Considering an arrest takes close to 5 seconds, I assume apprehension is off the table

[uncut ridge]

where can you even find 15 suspects?

[glacial ridge]

I can only assume the strategy is to have a 5 man MP team and have every1 find all the enemies since they do kinda hang out in rooms together just not in 15 man packs lol

And u gotta all clear them at once, I don't think it would be possible on commander or quickplay

[lone raven]

There's a steam guide for it with one shotting stomachs

You haven't found the secret achieve on that map yet?

[glacial ridge]

Then one of the only people who completed it made the guide for it, because rn the completion is at 0%

[glacial ridge]

No I only ran the map twice

[plush leaf]

There is ||a spot that you can deploy C2 on the wall marked in red in the toilet down below||

[plush leaf]

That actually is doable in MP. I’m still wondering how tf to get long enough sightlines to use the dogshit magnified optics on Leviathan

The glass clarity is garbage

[glacial ridge]

MP or SP, I think its only possible in MP

[obsidian hornet]

Can we please talk about how the swat AI clears rooms with suspects in them?

When they notice a suspect, they don't stop and deal with the situation, they keep moving and keep clearing, leaving behind the suspect even if they have not surrendered yet. In this case, they need to either neutralize the threat, or stop and face them down, NOT KEEP GOING. Some kind of way to customize their RoE (either stop moving when you spot a suspect or keep clearing and neutralize them if they don't comply) would be really helpful, not this weird bullshit where they keep going and pretend like the noncompliant individual doesn't exist anymore. The Swat AI's lack of object permanence is INFURIATING.

They need to understand that they need to either stop moving and keep trying to gain compliance, or keep moving and neutralize the threat

[lone raven]

How big is the room?

[glacial ridge]

I'd like it if was one team/officer standing back to secure and the rest secure the room, it makes no sense for all of them to stop and secure if the room isn't secure

[obsidian hornet]

Yes, it should work that way

[glacial ridge]

I can't say I've had that issue often, I've never had my AI not neutralize a suspect when they had to.

[obsidian hornet]

Either keep moving and neutralize the threat, stop and get compliance, or leave them for the next guy and keep clearing.

[glacial ridge]

ive certainly seen AI disregard hostages until a rooms fully clear, but never suspects

[obsidian hornet]

I'm talking about the situation where they're clearing a room, a dude isn't complying but not threatening, and they just keep clearing past him and lose sight of him

[obsidian hornet]

This happens all the time

They need to address the issue

[glacial ridge]

Yeah that's what they do for me too, I just gotta stand basically right on top of them and force them down, u might also be able to command them to apprehend, ik it sucks to hand hold but AI won't ever be perfect

[lone raven]

The latter. Front should be covered and rearguard dealing with suspects. Unless pointman has taken a suspect and then rotating roles, secondman automatically becomes new point and one of the rear roles might fill in as coverman? A bit complex to code.

[obsidian hornet]

It's not about being perfect. The whole point of playing these special tactics games is having intelligent AI to work with and seeing how they work out the issues that the game presents to you

I don't imagine it being that difficult to develop a way for the AI to understand if it should stop and face someone down, keep moving and leave him for the next guy, or just take him out and THEN keep going

[glacial ridge]

What I noticed is I died during quickplay and the AI continued to do the mission. And they actually work so much more efficient without you there lol

The game is coded to slow them down and wait for your command, so I think it hiccups a lot because of that

[obsidian hornet]

Their AI should be at that level all the time. The point of the game is that we get to command an intelligent team of AI. It sucks that they only unleash their full potential when you're not actually able to fucking play with them

[obsidian hornet]

They can wait for your commands and not be idiots

Their AI's full capacity should be available when you're alive, they just shouldn't be soloing the map

[glacial ridge]

they will practically do better than you if they were at full capacity, i promise lol

not decision making wise in terms of deciding how to traverse the map, but in terms of room clearing etc

[obsidian hornet]

I'm just saying they shouldn't be soloing the map. They should still be reliant on your commands to do things, they should just do things to the best of their ability. It's dumb that they only get good when you're not able to play with them

I will say one thing though

The way they deal with clearing large rooms works if you are always the last guy out

Because if you're always the last guy into the room, then you deal with whoever they left behind

But you don't ALWAYS want to be the last one in

[glacial ridge]

My biggest issue with the AI, is that if you ask them to fall in ,they don't value their own lives all the time. Multiple times they almost die because since the command was to fall in, they stood in the middle of gunfire and didnt move

[lone raven]

If they had to wait for commands, it'd turn into a stop-start simulator. Might as well turn it into DK2 and preplan movements.

[obsidian hornet]

Yes that's another thing, it's a whole other fucking topic, the fact that suspect AI understand how to take cover dynamically and the Swat AI don't is dumb

[obsidian hornet]

What are you talking about? This is how the game already works.

[glacial ridge]

i just never had exact issues, a lot of the time I split my team up and send blue to clear rooms on their own

[lone raven]

Legit, just tail behind them or clear some of the way and let them hit it.

[glacial ridge]

They secured hostages/suspects, picked up evidence etc on their own just fine

[glacial ridge]

I didnt even do that, it was all them and I joined red squad for other rooms

And they played it just fine, they were alive and the room was cleaned. I just wonder if queueing commands will work to get them to come back to me once they're done?

[obsidian hornet]

I guess I need to get a video recording to show you guys what I'm talking about so you can understand it better. I don't know how else to explain it.

1. Swat AI enters large room with walls

2. Swat AI sees a guy

3. Tells them to comply while continuing to move through the room

4. Dude doesn't comply

5. Swat AI keeps moving through the room, they no longer see him anymore without dealing with him properly (didn't gain compliance/didn't neutralize him)

[umbral oar]

https://youtu.be/-FcUZj7oiRM?si=KWCxjAR_MJPufDuh i used this to get achievement

[glacial ridge]

Yes, the AI is really bad with large rooms

[glacial ridge]

LOL that works, idk if im willing to do all that but thats a method

[umbral oar]

yea it took forever 💀

[glacial ridge]

I was just wondering if we could pick up non-cuffed suspects but obviously not

[lone raven]

That's why there should be a grapple to arrest option.

[obsidian hornet]

There absolutely should be but I use the Master At Melee mod as a bandaid fix for it

[lone raven]

Woah, never heard of.

[glacial ridge]

Or VOID can add it as a base option 🥲 pls

It makes no sense we cant force ppl to the ground, no cop is gonna wait 10-15 seconds for a hostage to comply

[obsidian hornet]

The MAM mod allows you to knock people down with melee attacks. From a technical standpoint it actually just briefly forces "feign death" but in terms of flavor it's like you're punching them down. This allows you to restrain them without going through the bullshit.

As a bonus, this mod also helps with the bomb vested civilians having infinite morale bug. You just knock them down, but you get hit with an unauthorized force penalty.

[lone raven]

Sounds waaaay better than the muzzle strike. 🤣

[lone raven]

Literal shouting simulator

I waste 20 seconds in a 6 second room

[obsidian hornet]

It's still a muzzle strike, it just works as a bandaid fix for the infinite morale bombvest civilian bug + it allows you to break open doors when your legs are wounded. And it allows you to skip the whole animation of a suspect slowly dropping their weapon by just knocking them down immediately.

[glacial ridge]

ppl gave me a 20 min argument when I said that the suspect that pulls a camera out of their pocket is annoying and we should be able to butt them with our gun with no point loss

[lone raven]

That sounds awesome

[glacial ridge]

Becuase who tf pulls a phone out their pocket after watching ppl with guns get shot and killed right in front of them

[lone raven]

I'll nexus now

[obsidian hornet]

This is another problem. I really wish the Swat AI had voice lines for "Bro isn't complying" like they had in Swat 4 instead of infinitely yelling for compliance. In Swat 4, when a civilian or suspect was completely noncompliant, they would shout 3-4 times before just stating "suspect/civilian is not complying!" and hold position

[lone raven]

WOAH ROE VIOLATION ON MY READY OR NOT?

[obsidian hornet]

But now in RoN your ears are just being constantly assaulted

[lone raven]

So true

They're missing so many cues

[glacial ridge]

IRL RoE will allow officers to go hands on to secure the hostage i dont wanna hear it

[lone raven]

I remember the grandma folding her arms and obviously not complying

Fairfax

[glacial ridge]

I miss the old hostage voicelines lmao

[obsidian hornet]

A little THWACK always helped in that situation. But yeah the swat AI in SWAT4 would just be like "Bro's not listening 💀" after a few yells

Meanwhile in RoN it goes on FOREVER like some weird early access abomination

[lone raven]

Legit, sorry I was being sarcastic

[obsidian hornet]

Ya'll know what I REALLY miss?

[lone raven]

You gotta gently caress all unidentified civilians

[glacial ridge]

"my moms a mexican maid, maybe you know her"

[obsidian hornet]

When you'd press the yell button on a secured suspect/civilian and the character would just say some silly one-liner like "tell it to the judge ;)"

[finite seal]

The rules of engagement in ready or not:
Have fun
always shoot amos voll

[lone raven]

Get shot, don't shoot back until your jaw falls off?

Suspect can be near a H, armed, pointing, but you gotta ask nicely

[plush leaf]

Irl that person is shot lol

[lone raven]

American moment

[plush leaf]

RoN is set in not-Los Angeles lol

[obsidian hornet]

I think the worst part of the swat AI not taking cover when engaged is the fact that suspect AI already do this (primarily veterans/experienced terrorists)

Our guys are supposed to be the most elite and most powerful units in the currently played level. The fact that their AI does not include any cover-taking behavior whereas the elite enemies do, is just awful

[finite seal]

i used to believe that judge is a tier 1 operator

[plush leaf]

He’s ex-USIA iirc

[finite seal]

until i learned d-platoon actually exists

[finite seal]

what in the godhead is IIRC

[plush leaf]

If I remember correctly

[obsidian hornet]

If I Recall Correctly

[glacial ridge]

They need to really change it, just let them cancel the fall in command and take cover when shot at

[obsidian hornet]

Yeah.

[glacial ridge]

I'd also like it if they had a voiceline telling me the approx. location of the shooter

[finite seal]

the c o n g l o m e r a t e

[glacial ridge]

MKULTRA

[finite seal]

police doesnt call out the shooters location

[glacial ridge]

???

[finite seal]

they dont scream 'HE'S OVER THERE!!!'
they usually just start return shooting and providing cover

[plush leaf]

Idk how AIs in fucking Call of Duty of all things have more of a sense of self-preservation than the tactical and SWAT-centric game

[glacial ridge]

and if they're in cover and I need to go help from wherever I asked them to fall in from, wouldn't it be important for me to know where the shooter is roughly

[finite seal]

at most you would get something like 'Right!' If thats where the suspect was last scene if the shooting was stop, short and brief to keep unit cohesion

and if there is officers arriving at scene they'd get informed via radio

[glacial ridge]

Because every gunfight in Call of Duty is scripted to happen the same, the enemies are all in the same locations. This game has completely unique enemy layouts every time you play a map which means the officers movements also arent scripted

[scarlet flax]

Is there really not a take cover command? I thought there was?

I must be thinking of Rainbow Six Vegas 2 or something.

[lone raven]

Lmao

[plush leaf]

Not really with recent CoDs that have open world areas

[glacial ridge]

thats all i need lol, that way if i move in to help I know the shooting is from the right lol. Like dont get me wrong 9 times out of 10 itll be a useless indicator but its better than f all

[finite seal]

you can also see where the bullets are going

[glacial ridge]

the enemies all at least start in the same area at the beginning. And you don't have AI teammates during those open world missions

Everything, even down to "that vehicle that drives by" is the same each playthrough they come to the same spot at exactly the same time

[finite seal]

if new vegas 2 actually happens, they'll probably drop the ball hard

[scarlet flax]

Vegas 3???

[plush leaf]

Also we need recoil reworks and rebalancing for a lot of the weapons in-game. Idk how the piston-operated G36C shoots like a fucking BB gun while its successor the HK416A5 shoots like an M14 in full auto

[scarlet flax]

Vegas 2 is real by the by

[finite seal]

the g36 is a bullpup right?

[plush leaf]

The fuck you don’t? BO6 has a ton of missions with open world areas that all have AI teammates

[glacial ridge]

Like which

[plush leaf]

No lmao, that’s the F90

[plush leaf]

The one in Kuwait or Iraq with the SAS

[finite seal]

usually with bullpups the recoil is better cuz the operation is near the back and the barrels can be longer

[lone raven]

Be gone bullpuper

THAT IS GUN DESIGN BALLS

[plush leaf]

Recoil has nothing with it being bullpup or not. If anything felt recoil of a bullpup can be heavier as the action impacts much more closely to the shoulder and muzzle rise is higher as the action is located nearer to the rear, shifting the balance of the weapon

[glacial ridge]

The enemies are predetermined to be in the same spot. They can change as the map goes on but they all start in a predetermined location which makes it easier for developers to predict and determine where the AI should take cover, btw they're also unkillable so how do u even know they're doing a good jbo

Ready or Not does not have the same method

[finite seal]

🤷

[plush leaf]

Still, you can write a script that whenever the AIs are engaged, they immediately take cover while returning fire

[glacial ridge]

The F90 benefits from a larger barrel in that it can reach further more accurately.

[glacial ridge]

I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying the comparison to COD was outlandish

[plush leaf]

Not really. If they can do it then you can do it, plus despite spawning in some similar areas, the enemies are still patrolling, so you have that

[lone raven]

Best thing would be set waypoints in rooms and a little flexibility between + priority tasks like arrests, and have better layout rooms rather than schizo architecture

[glacial ridge]

Their pathing is the same in each playthough as well until the player reacts to them

[plush leaf]

DI systems generally have less felt recoil as the mass impacting the rear of the gun is much less than piston ones

[finite seal]

they do

[glacial ridge]

It's done very poorly, they do just fine with breach and clear, but the fall in command overwrites any will to live if they get shot at once that is completed

[scarlet flax]

Isn’t the schizo architecture half the point? Like operators going into a confusing building with tons of key holes everywhere they could get seen/shot through.

Some of the maps are seriously really easy to get lost in though. It’s true.

[lone raven]

I just want something more grounded.

[plush leaf]

Dorms come to mind

[finite seal]

ready or not is really grounded

[lone raven]

Like even here in Australia with unapproved structures sticking out of every house, it ain't that bad.

[plush leaf]

Elysian also, that map is genuinely fucked

[scarlet flax]

Soooooo true. Easy to lose suspects and get stabbed in the back.

[lone raven]

Dorms is good actually as an example

[shy tulip]

Ready or Not is based on real themes/events exaggerated for fun, I don't think people really realize how boring really realistic maps would be. There's a reason why people thought streamer would be a "tutorial" if it was as "grounded" as it appeared to be.

[lone raven]

Long wide cluttered hall with opposing doors, but then rat holes every 2 meters

[glacial ridge]

I don't think the complaints would be as loud if we had more grounded, realistic maps mixed into the bigger chaotic maps

[lone raven]

Fairfax is an example of (MOSTLY) normal home, 2 minute clear, quick replayable map on SWAT 4

[shy tulip]

I don't find it replayable or really fun, interesting the first try? Sure. But it's a tiny map that really doesn't play out that differently.

[scarlet flax]

I can agree with exaggerated. They still gotta make a game and give players a challenge. Place make cool stuff because they’re getting paid to do that.

[glacial ridge]

Considering the smaller, less chaotic maps take significantly less time to create, I don't see how it can be an issue to toss a house together with 2 suspects and a hostage

[plush leaf]

I feel like the Dorms map our devs just ported directly from Tarkov lmao

[glacial ridge]

They put a lot of effort into Dorms, I can't imagine being the art team designing some of that methhead graffiti

[shy tulip]

It's probably an outdated quote, but they said in the past smaller maps are more intensive on the team, because they have to put a lot more detail into them to make them more fun/interesting.

[lone raven]

Give me an empty 2 bedroomer and I'd have fun.

[scarlet flax]

I have no complaints 🙋‍♂️ I love this game and have 200+ hours in it. I don’t usually play Commander Mode though. Have to get back into that.

[lone raven]

Especially intermixed with taking down the Pentagon.

[glacial ridge]

The complaints of no realistic maps will always be here, I've heard plenty of people talk about how we're a SWAT team going onto a freaking oil rig lol, but it is what it is. It is a fun map so I don't complain and just throw on military attire

[plush leaf]

I can tell that, it’s not unfun per se, just convoluted and the achievement really sucks to get solo and is so RNG-based

[glacial ridge]

Now here me out guys, a whole new map with a whole new goal in mind; protect the HVT. SWAT gets these roles on occasion

Imagine that senator freemont the man the vets hate is giving a speech and almost gets assassinated, again, and we need to make sure he stays safe.

[scarlet flax]

Yeah SWAT on oil rig doesn’t make sense but like… video game. Do you want to play or not? It’s not like we have flame throwers or Fat Boy nukes lol

[glacial ridge]

I mean I preferred if the locations of the maps made sense at least, but I also won't stop playing the game because of it.

[plush leaf]

But we have a bullpup Australian rifle that the Aussies flatout said no to selling in the US lol

[lone raven]

Imagine a rotation of small maps. Like 3 minute tops clears. Different layouts. Different scenarios. I don't know, sounds cool to me.

[shy tulip]

They have said they have no plans for procedural maps, they tell stories with their maps, and it is impossible to do that if the map is random

[lone raven]

Even though we hate it, too. 😬

[shy tulip]

Not sure about escort missions, though generally don't end up being fun in many games

[scarlet flax]

Bro I want some new objectives so bad. Like dealing with protests and like you said protecting speakers and stuff. I love bagging bad guys and trying to arrest for S ranks but some new objective types will add extra flavor.

[plush leaf]

Heard that you guys tried to ditch them for M4s

[wraith basin]

But it would be nice to have different versions of the maps, like back in pre 1.0.

[glacial ridge]

I would imagine the AI Fremont would give ppl headaches, just a thought for something new

[lone raven]

ACAR. The Australian Combat Assault Rifle.

[edgy linden]

would make a good challenge mode at least, seperate from the main draw of the game...turning it into an slightly arcade-like roguelike

Maybe a mod idea....

[glacial ridge]

I would love a mode like protect the president lmao

[lone raven]

I didn't mean procedural by the way, I just meant going through 5 different small maps would be fun. 1-2 suspects each. 3 minute turnarounds. Easy.

[plush leaf]

Are they type designated yet?

[scarlet flax]

We just got 4 battle rifles for CQC as well. It is what it is I guess.

[lone raven]

F666.

(Joking)

[shy tulip]

I believe modders were working on procedural, but idk how far that project ever went, would be something to harass Reap about

[plush leaf]

At least 3 of them were used by the US

[lone raven]

The row modded map was good for different scenarios.

[shy tulip]

I just dunno, this is my personal preference at the end of the day. I found yacht the perfect size, and I just do not like any of the smaller maps in-game, especially Ends.

[plush leaf]

Yacht is good as the verticality makes up for the smaller size

[edgy linden]

I think the smaller less challenging maps are good for 'warm ups' to shake the rust off.

[glacial ridge]

That's how I look at smaller maps, nothing like not playing for a month and coming back for 3 letter triad

[plush leaf]

Actually one of my favorite maps to return to. My favorite is still the hospital though

[glacial ridge]

It's possible for sure, but I'd prefer to start easy

[wraith basin]

I mean the oil rig map is the best one yet for me, map that wouldnt even make sense for SWAT, yet it still is the most fun right now and really well made.

[glacial ridge]

My favorite map so far is probably voll health house because no1 gets mad at me for mag dumping a certain suspect

[lone raven]

The problem with new maps = external security, old maps = same, no cordon security.

[shy tulip]

I think they do a good job twisting reality, it is a partnership with the COAST Guard, it makes sense from a law enforcement perspective since the coast guard does conduct law enforcement operations

[plush leaf]

[lone raven]

RON expects you to do like 20 jobs. MegaSWAT. Plus 5 guys vs 25.

[edgy linden]

eh, if I wanted a mili sim I would play Arma 3.

[glacial ridge]

Three letter triad makes less sense to me than oil rig but oil rig gets the most flack lol

[covert aurora]

just throwing my 2cents in, Twisted nerve and Dorms are my favorites like the horror vibe to them

[lone raven]

Dorms is great.

Especially getting shanked in a small room.

[glacial ridge]

The atmosphere in dorms is insanely well done. One thing this game has always done so well, is the audio

[covert aurora]

yes!

[glacial ridge]

Hearing the scuffling of feet on a floor above you, hearing rain hit the tarp in a room with a collapsed roof....

It's all beautifully done to really immerse you where you're at\

[covert aurora]

mmhm

[glacial ridge]

The only map I didn't like the audio for, is the music choice for the hotel because it makes me feel like I'm the ghostbusters not SWAT

[covert aurora]

it reminds me of a old house that went to shit, like... the old school horror vibes

[wraith basin]

I also remember the old hotel (smaller one) having some horror-ish type vibe as well.

[lone raven]

Who you gunna call?

[glacial ridge]

MKULTRA

[covert aurora]

i think i know what your talking about i can't remember which part of hotel

[wraith basin]

It also might have something to do with the ambient music, that played on it.

[covert aurora]

the statue that whispered?

maybe

[lone raven]

Elder Scrolls moment

[wraith basin]

The whispering statue was creepy as well, but that was in bigger version of the hotel.

[covert aurora]

true

[covert aurora]

not wrong

[lone raven]

COAST miniguns on the heli when?

Oh yeah, and not being able to keep the ATAK flipped to see what the helicopter team is showing

[covert aurora]

probably never

but would be kool

[glacial ridge]

this one

I finally found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEuvEeM7qu8

Doesn't even sound like star spangled banner ingame istg

[covert aurora]

ah

[scarlet flax]

It’s true. I watched a show called BodyCam once that shows officer perspective shooter situations and stuff and when they call in SWAT for one armed dude in a house it’s literally like 50 officers storming the place from all sides. Shit is crazy.

[covert aurora]

it's like.... a 1930s-1940s or maybe 50s verision

at least thats how i feel it sounds

[glacial ridge]

whatever version it is it could of stayed there

[covert aurora]

🤣

yeah it's fairly creepy

[lone raven]

At least SWAT 4 gave you control of the sniper team and they gave call outs so you'd know where suspects were on the external instead of headless chickening around

[glacial ridge]

Just them giving you a reminder that you F'd up and if anyone is watching what's happening, let this remind you not to break the lawl ol

[glacial ridge]

The new maps have the heli who do give callouts, for what it's worth. But they aren't gonna be able to take out enemies from a distance lol

[lone raven]

Aerial sniper when

[covert aurora]

this would be kool!

[glacial ridge]

That shot would be insane

[covert aurora]

"sierra 1 to entry team. have clean line of fire on tango on top of stairs ready to proceed"

[glacial ridge]

but in seriousness I'd love for certain maps have the option to setup a sniper team

[covert aurora]

same

or even if it's like the last suspect the helicopter could have a sniper shoot them

shrug

[glacial ridge]

I need a moment where the suspect is holding a gun to the hostages head and the sniper team drops him before he can take a shot

[lone raven]

🤝

[gentle void]

guys

where do i get a beanbag shotgun?

I can only see taser

[autumn kite]

in your primaries

under shotguns

[gentle void]

its a primary?

oh

technically if i hit a civilian with a taser does it count as unauthorized use of force?

[covert aurora]

yes

[gentle void]

alr

[restive ferry]

So when using the AI, how do I dictate which door I can breach first when using red team if the door is cracked?

[fleet minnow]

You manually tell the red team to breach that door in particular, then tell the blue team to handle the other door that they stacked on.

[true ice]

It’s a bit jank since they’ll repeatedly call out arrested suspects

[gentle void]

guys

How long does officer take to pass therapy?

[fleet minnow]

Around a mission or two.

[gentle void]

Thought it takes in game time if i just wait at lobby

[ashen spade]

is the due process achievement still possible

everytime i c2 a suspect they just play dead, none of them get incapacitated

[jolly verge]

You need 2 c2 to incap suspect with default health pool

[fleet minnow]

Cuff a Suspect, shoot them in the leg, place them infront of the door with the C2 Charge, and then blast off.

[ashen spade]

What a completely orthrodox way to complete the achievement

thanks ill give it a try

[fleet minnow]

It's better if the suspect you cuffed was injured to begin with.

[neon atlas]

AI officer walked in front of my fucking fully automatic machine gun fire, died, then my other teammates fucking executed me. Awesome!

"hmm, i can see my body offloading 30 fucking bullets into this suspect. let me walk in front of his gun!"

[ashen spade]

Unfortunately it didn't work, i set it up and blew the c2. It incapacitated him but then my ai teammates were sent to execute me

didnt get the achievemrnt, tried it a couple times

[fleet minnow]

Ah, so they fixed it.

[celest crystal]

wait the ai kills you for friendly fire ?

[wraith basin]

They absolutely will do that.

[celest crystal]

i shot my ai teammate once
nothing happened

[wraith basin]

Did he die?

[celest crystal]

nope

[neon atlas]

if your teammate dies, then yes. he was already a bit injured i guess

[celest crystal]

ohh makes sense

[neon atlas]

i usually just go into godmode tho lol. fym i gotta restart the mission from the beginning

[celest crystal]

i think i somehow have kept one single officer alive from the start

[robust yarrow]

Do the same without cuffing the suspect (surrender them then use commands to get him behind the door)

[wraith arrow]

i have a automatic glock

[fiery yacht]

Guys any good Squad squad here with whom I can play RON? I'm GMT.

[blissful storm]

I shot my AI teammate with a shotgun too because they did that, didnt get executed by my team though

[keen cobalt]

Am I using steel wrong or is it just objectively worse than ceramic?

[jolly verge]

It's bad due to damage bug, dont use it

[robust yarrow]

Steel spalls and results in more injuries

[jolly verge]

Spalling dont affect user

[ashen spade]

this doesnt work either

they get incapped but then i dont get the achievement

[robust yarrow]

Try it on streamer, I got it to work on that map

Surrender them with LTL, then shoot them once with 9mm JHP on the butt or any other non vital area (not the arms or legs tho)

[robust yarrow]

Nvm I thought it did

[ashen spade]

ive been doing this on the streamer map, when they surrender it doesnt work

i shot them twice in the legs with 556 and blew the c2, restrained and unrestrained it didnt work

[robust yarrow]

I think 556 does too much damage

Once with 9mm should work, make sure they don't get arterial bleeding

[ashen spade]

yep

but they're still conscious when i shoot them with 556

[ashen spade]

when i blow the c2 they do get incapped but then i dont get the achievement, idk how else to do it

[robust yarrow]

I think the way the game registers incap is bugged

Do they get up when you restrain them afterwards?

[ashen spade]

no they're actually incapped and dont get up, i feel like this might be a game issue

[tacit gull]

No, incapped is basically dead

[jolly verge]

I did two gas runs and both time i got the achievement #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[robust yarrow]

This is how I got mine to work #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[neon atlas]

oh, did he die?

[ashen spade]

oh, i somehow just got mine but the notification didnt pop up

[robust yarrow]

Nice

[blissful storm]

not sure if he died actually, but atleast he went down from that

[upbeat heath]

man i swear i once saw a mod that makes the swat ai ruthless and they would shoot all suspects when they see them

i wish i knew what the name was

[pale spruce]

does anyone else have this bug or why cant i ever find all the civillians on leviathan?

[copper cypress]

If the Neon Tomb level had an active shooter mode, do you guys think it would make the game very difficult to play?

[upbeat shore]

Yeah. Getting from Point A to Point B is difficult due to its maze-like design ^^

[copper cypress]

lol

[robust yarrow]

Gettin S rank is already hell, with active shooters it would be next to impossible due to the amount of suspects and the map layout

[oblique loom]

NVGs or GPNVGs??

[copper cypress]

You may need to run the entire process🤣

[fleet minnow]

GPNVGs if you want a wider Field of View.

[gentle void]

guys

is there a way to abort mission

cuz when i exit that warning thing pops up

[gentle void]

(When in the middle of the game)

[jolly verge]

Alt+f4 or go back to spawn point and exfiltrate with all your team, they will get least possible stress

[gentle void]

so if one of them dies theres nothing possible to do except alt f4

[jolly verge]

alt f4 will save them, but if you exit while on of them down in mission game will roll with 50% chance if officer is KIA, unless you have paramedic trait

[copper silo]

wear nvgs

quads too larp

[umbral oar]

i do like how the nvgs look

[terse umbra]

So I get shot and accidentally reload — I want to switch out to stop bleeding but nope, I’m locked into the reloading animation lmfao thanks devs

Do these people just not think into anything

[copper silo]

reloading does not take that long

[terse umbra]

I was reloading the beanbag shotgun

I was literally locked in the animation and couldn’t switch out

[copper silo]

dont shotgun reloads* stop when u press r

[jolly verge]

You can cancel it

[queen igloo]

bro help Twisted Nerve

[gentle void]

guys

is there a laser on tasers?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[gentle void]

is that the meth laboratory one

[terse umbra]

Lmaooo trying to diffuse a bomb and my guys stand there + literally let this dude walk up and kill me

[gentle void]

How do i toggle tho i dont know what TMB is

[jolly verge]

Thumb mouse button

[gentle void]

thats

on side?

[jolly verge]

yeap

[gentle void]

i dont have side buttons

and was struggling to change it in options

[jolly verge]

Well then you will need to rebind that key

[terse umbra]

i love spending almost an hour almost completing a mission only to die because the AI wouldn't detain a suspect. I tell them to clear the room then they just stand there and i find a guy who i beanbag 5 times, doesn't drop his weapon, smokes me all while the AI stands -- i mean???

these dudes are fucking useless

[wide scaffold]

Elephant is low key worst level ever

[terse umbra]

i mean VOID dropped DLC before fixing core elements of the game

1.0 but the AI doesnt work

it literally ruins the experience

and not only that, i have to repeatedly repeatedly command them to do things

and they will still stand there

it's like void said fuck it, give us your money and in return we'll give you a cool game but the worst dogshit AI on the market

[wide scaffold]

Mfs in void dropping dlcs for undone game

[pale spruce]

guys im not sure if this a bug but ive completed the leviathan mission 3 times now but i just cant find all civillians, ive neutralizied all suspects tho ?

[crystal salmon]

anyone experiencing 'your connection to the host has been lost' now?

[turbid basin]

guys and girls
zombie mod just got updated :DDD

[umbral oar]

lets go

[ruby cove]

valley of the dolls is just ridiculous

ive s ranked basically all other maps no issue but these guys are like ex specops

[mellow wagon]

Happy new year

[mellow wagon]

Dude, I genuinely have an ick against valley of dolls

[glacial ridge]

What's unfortunate is I S ranked it online with a mate and it didn't save

so ill have to do it again

[ruby cove]

yeah i generally use a crack mod that makes shit harder by increasing about 50% more enemies and they hit harder but arent lasers and im running modded weapons that 2 shot and one shot and they just run through doors slapping me with bullets

but i ran vanilla to s rank other maps
its so annoying

[ruby cove]

gross

like i s ranked IDES OF MARCH DAWG first try

[uncut garden]

Buff 9mm pls

Me want MP5 to be stonk

[glacial ridge]

Same lol, voll house is just tough because of the large ass windows you can be shot from

[ruby cove]

uh uh windows dont matter

[glacial ridge]

But I'm about to attempt Greased Palms S tier, wish me luck

[glacial ridge]

whats the hardest part for u then

[ruby cove]

glgl its ez

[ruby cove]

the aimbot mfs. generally the area leading to pool and the excersize room

[glacial ridge]

I think I can first attempt voll if I did it again now, I had teammates that just wanted to john wick it and run shield and not know how to run shield

the moment we got teammates who took it slower and smarter, we got it right away

the only plus side to the AI is they will move as slow as I want them to

[signal jewel]

I just tried to S rank Valley of the Dolls and the game screwed me out of it by just disappearing a civvie

I don't have the slightest clue what happened, but I went through and searched quite literally every room for the civvie after bringing order to chaos and no bueno

I'm so confused

[wooden haven]

can I just not shoot through the glass in the restrauant on gas? Seems like I get beamed in the face through a surface I can't shoot through myself

[wooden haven]

if you're playing with AI just mmb and press 5 to have them search and secure

[signal jewel]

I did

They ALL got stuck in random places staring at quite literally nothing

And then I tried calling them back on me, and then sending them off to search

Only for them to not even move an inch after I issued that order

[glacial ridge]

Did greased Palms S on my first try 🥲 and it came with the '99 SWAT outfit now I perma unlocked it

idk if sinuous trail was harder than greased palms or if it just felt that way because of flashbangs giving me friendly fire

[quaint raptor]

just got the god damned S on elephant

feels good

[glacial ridge]

I'm scared of that one for S rank lol I might wait to try that one on MP

I just did voll house again on 1st try this time

[quaint raptor]

nice job, it took me five or six dedicated S rank attempts

it got a lot easier when i made some tactical firings in order to get new team mates with traits more to my liking

[wooden haven]

literally how lol

[quaint raptor]

i did the same lmao. same with a good few of em

[grand meteor]

i was boutta get S on oil rig

then a guy with a full M4 rushed up on my bots and killed 2

[quaint raptor]

damn im yet to play the DLC. i hear its good

[grand meteor]

yeah i cant get the boat one

They always shoot a civilian before i get to them

its super hard, you need to have real teamates like 1 clears each floor

[wide scaffold]

How do i even get past d on elephant, they always kill 1 hostage

[grand meteor]

dont go for hostages or civilans

just go past them and go to the shooters, then the bombs

and then civilians and you should get it.

[wide scaffold]

That's literally what i'm doing

[grand meteor]

want me to help you?

[wide scaffold]

How

[grand meteor]

ive gottten S on it many times

[wide scaffold]

Cool

[grand meteor]

so you want my help or?

[wide scaffold]

If it possible then yes

[grand meteor]

whats ur steam friend code

[wide scaffold]

319478532

[grand meteor]

sent

do you want a S or just A

[wide scaffold]

Accepted

[grand meteor]

S you get a tatto

[wide scaffold]

I just want to have more than d

[grand meteor]

so A?

[wide scaffold]

How do you get S tho

I always get A if i did everything i could

[grand meteor]

all lethal, no injurys, no officers downs, no shooting the suspects.

it sounds harder then it looks

[wide scaffold]

Wdym all lethal

[grand meteor]

Non lethal* i mean

[wide scaffold]

Alr

[glacial ridge]

there's no way I spent 20 mins and couldn't find this last person in Elephant, I refuse to believe he exists

[grand meteor]

sent u game invite

[grand meteor]

checked bathrooms? outside, hallways, inside little rooms, or closets?

[wide scaffold]

There are two buildings, search them far and wide, also check toilets

[glacial ridge]

Every last room in the building

[grand meteor]

well obviously you didnt.

[glacial ridge]

Multiple times, and outside in the corridor

[wide scaffold]

Then you didn't

[grand meteor]

they do move some times to.

@wide scaffold i sent you invite in ur messages accept it

[glacial ridge]

The active shooter wasnt even making attempts to shoot people

[wide scaffold]

Already accepted

[glacial ridge]

So I couldnt even use gunfire to direct me to them

[grand meteor]

no game invite

[wide scaffold]

Yes

[grand meteor]

@wide scaffold he shot someone right i was on him bruh, we have to reset.

[wide scaffold]

Why all shooters was so stupid and didn't shoot to legs, but this mf broke 2 legs

[glacial ridge]

yeah im saving elephant S rank for MP, my AI is stupid

I ordered him to restrain a suspect, he did not. So turns out the last 10 minutes I'm looking for the suspect he was the guy my officer didn't restrain the entire time

[grand meteor]

AI can do it

[wide scaffold]

Thanks bro

[grand meteor]

just make sure your AI's dont have any pistol ammo, or else they will just shoot them

[grand meteor]

fs.

[wide scaffold]

Elephant is dogshit

[grand meteor]

its also to realistic

[wide scaffold]

What

[grand meteor]

the shooter can act as hostages, the evidence you find in the evidence room are depression pills, in the round you also have hostages running to you

[grand meteor]

means for sure

[wide scaffold]

No one would EVER send 5 swat members to find bombs,it would be more realistic if we had some special units that would help with it, cuz basic swat team ain't trained for that

[grand meteor]

oh yeah its way more, buyt thats just how the game is

[wide scaffold]

I think it's more dogshit than santa fortuna in hitman game, long story short it's big ass map with 3 targets each target is 1km away from other, 5 guards surrounding them and they're in closed space

[wide scaffold]

Alr

[glacial ridge]

I do not trust AI to do it for me so I'm saving it for now

[stone bay]

why when I host a public lobby no one joins?

[grand meteor]

public multiplayer?

[brisk plume]

Do you need to use non-lethal weapons to get an S rank or can you get it without?

[oak acorn]

Nonlethal

[tired jungle]

you can get it without if you just don't incapacitate anyone

less lethal makes that a lot easier tho

[shrewd oriole]

I got the watch but I don't get the hermit achievement

Why???

[wide scaffold]

Yeah, you gotta go with gas weapons/pepper, they are actually so much better tbh

[wide scaffold]

Can anyone help with sins of the father s rank? I'm raged about the hostages being killed it's so frustrating

[light stag]

From what i remember they don't actually kill the hostages in this map, just use beanbags and CS to prevent the Secret service from doing anythg

[wide scaffold]

Thjey killed two in 90 seconds

[light stag]

Wtf

Feel like for maps like this it comes down to luck on where they spawn

[wide scaffold]

Sins of the father is so cursed wtf, i just found npc that took 10 shoots in body, 50 shots with pepper balls, 2 gas shots

And he still didn't give up,i have to kill him, i anyway had fine for shooting the guy who gave up

[glacial ridge]

I ran the map 7 times a couple hours ago not a single run did the suspects shoot a hostage that’s weird

[oak acorn]

the left behind are just so tactical.

[wide scaffold]

Maybe they wanted to kill me but missed and shot them

[glacial ridge]

Probably, I failed every single time on some dumb stuff and needed a break lol I’ll S it tomorrow

[plush tusk]

Just finished S Ranking Sins of the Father. Aesthetically, it's probably one of my favorite maps

[glacial ridge]

Same it’s a really fun map, I just hate the background music for it

[plush tusk]

I have my music turned off

[glacial ridge]

Good decision, it’s a slightly distorted creepy version of the national anthem and I had to look it up to know because over the gunshots I couldn’t tell

[wide scaffold]

They shoot hostage if they see your resisting

Literally just lost my s rank because of that

[plush tusk]

I hear that when im in one of the large rooms but thats about it

[glacial ridge]

The closest I’ve seen them shoot a hostage was taking one at gun point but I immediately tossed a gas grenade

[light stag]

There's a mod where you can change thr background music to jimi hendrix's star spangled banner

Fits the map well ngl

[glacial ridge]

That sounds pretty badass not gonna lie lol but I’d be too distracted to complete my objective

I couldn’t be a real life SWAT officer if anyone plays a certain song it’ll trigger my MKULTRA

[light stag]

"Its FBI time" as john fbi said and he proceeds to ATF all over Waco

[stone bay]

the arrested suspects watching my stupid ass shout into the walls looking for the last suspect

[covert aurora]

lol

the suspects just repeating the sameline over and over >:)

[stone bay]

he was on the roof 😞

the one place i DIDNT shout, upwards...

[covert aurora]

then get UP and at em

😉

[rustic bobcat]

S rank on public server sounds fun

[severe wren]

that would be hard

[rustic bobcat]

o yea it would, make it into a challange

[severe wren]

i feel like the only people that can get S are prolly real swat memebers or milltary

[rich quartz]

You boys ready for Ready or not IRL? Since it’s set in 2025

[severe wren]

wdym?

[rich quartz]

The missions are set in 2025 in ready or nots timeline

[severe wren]

ohhhhh thats pretty nice

[rustic bobcat]

man so many sci fi conflicts set in 2025 were fucked 😭

be ready for black ops 2 and ready or not

[uncut ridge]

we will ne fine

[rustic bobcat]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[uncut ridge]

i didnt even spell it correctly

:(

[robust yarrow]

How tf do you get sleeper agent

[rich quartz]

On the news in February “Gas station Robbery goes wrong when local swat responds”

[rustic bobcat]

i have a strange feeling that you might like FAL, idk tho

[rustic bobcat]

hehe

[rich quartz]

I do

[rich quartz]

Oh no that too lol speaking of black ops 2 WHERE IS OUR DRONES

[rustic bobcat]

Omg drones in ron would be insane 🔥

[honest kettle]

Imagine Payday and RON crossover

Payday gang would easily solo RON swat

Also depends on the loadout since Payday has everything from rocket launchers to LMGs

[tiny quail]

Oh right, it's 2025 now, boy i sure hope a gas station robbery doesn't happen this February

[wide scaffold]

Is there like a channel where i can find someone to play with?

Am i blind or it doesn't exist

[jolly verge]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/921526746082336829

[wide scaffold]

Thanks, i was looking in ron sections

[rich quartz]

Wait is C2 an actual like charge for breaching? I look up C2 and all I get is ready or not and Zero hour and swat 4 so

[stone bay]

does anyone have any gun reccomendations or should i stick with the mk18

[rich quartz]

MK18

[stone bay]

anything i should know like optics or stuff

[jolly verge]

If you want guns with least recoil use G36C, F90, MCX, ARN18, G51, G3A3 with sfmb and vertical/th grip

[rich quartz]

Arn 18 my beloved

[finite seal]

dang bro i havent played ready or not since last year

[robust yarrow]

LVAR my beloved

Personally I like the holosight's clear field of view, clearest should be SRO

[uncut ridge]

g3a1

i think thats its name

[copper silo]

arn18

best gun ever i would die on this hill

[lost inlet]

optimal build for G5A1?

[uncut ridge]

it is really nice

[stone bay]

man, this hq performance is great in the headquarters!! i cant WAIT to see how my game performs in missions!

[jolly verge]

You mean attachments?

[finite seal]

i dont know how, i dont know why, i really dont know how.

but i somehow get GREAT Performance on my 4 year old gaming laptop

[lost inlet]

ye

[finite seal]

while my game still looks visually stunning, its like i performed a sanctamonius ritual

[stone bay]

30 fps in most missions... 😞

mfw im running a ryzen 3 3100 until thursday

[jolly verge]

Well sfmb and vertical/th grip is the only attachments that affect rifles at all

[lost inlet]

a lot of people said it has low sway so might as well use suppressor to make enemies panics slower

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's has twice less recoil compare to sa58/m14

[stone bay]

i just thought it was for makign the gun sound different 🙏

[lost inlet]

it is for some cases since some maps have enemies started off with max panic so using suppressor doesn't do much beside reducing vertical sway

[stone bay]

i had to mod my game to make it bearable

i hate going thru a door to just get pummeled by 3 different guys court martialling me before i can even see the inside of the room

one of them quite obviously standing behind the door shooting through it

[pliant parrot]

can suspects see lasers and lights from flashlights?

bc if not, I don't see the purpose of the other laser

[stone bay]

style points

[jolly verge]

Only flashlight and it's depends

[pliant parrot]

tyy

[honest kettle]

Anyone got any solid gun mods?

[plush leaf]

SFMB brake, vertical grip, any red dot to your liking

[plush leaf]

GA51 as GA is substitute for HK in-game

[uncut ridge]

ahhh

[rich quartz]

what does GA stand for?

[copper silo]

goated (and) awesome

[plush leaf]

Geissele Automatics, the maker of the SMR handguard used on the in-game HK416A5

[rich quartz]

Oh I see so in RONS universe Geissele makes guns and accessories

[plush leaf]

Not really

The 416 in-game is made by Hartmann & Karl, HaKa for short

And they’re Swiss, not German

[rich quartz]

Huh okay

[plush leaf]

I’m from IMFDB, we have pics on our website

[rich quartz]

Oh shit you’re the imfdb guy! Nice

[plush leaf]

The manufacturers are parodies/references of real life ones

[rich quartz]

They also like to include girls frontline in their serial numbers

[plush leaf]

True that

[rich quartz]

A bit werid ngl

[plush leaf]

The in-game arsenal is full of references

Although the weapon choices can be weird

And redundant

[rich quartz]

Yeah.. wait so who makes the g19?

[plush leaf]

looking at the 4 MP5s in-game

[plush leaf]

Gocke

[rich quartz]

Gocke? Interesting

[rich quartz]

They really like mp5s yk?

Wait so does Hartmann and Karl make the USP?

[plush leaf]

Yes

HaKa makes all of the HK weapons in game

For FN, this gets a bit annoying as the SCARs are made by Unica Arms but the BRN-180SH is also made by Unica Arms, while the FN 509 is made by… NF and the FN57 has a R crest similar to the FN crest on the real guns

[rich quartz]

unica Arms and NF is the games stand in for FN

[plush leaf]

Yes but Unica Arms also makes the Brownell’s BRN-180SH, the .300 BLK AR-18 spirtitual successor upper receiver that’s compatible with AR-15 lower receivers

[rich quartz]

Unica arms… where have I heard that before?

Oh mateba

[plush leaf]

The Mateba yeah

Just checked it, which is also weird as it’s Italian

[rich quartz]

Okay a bit of a reach but hear me out, after The Metaba is made right, they renamed to Unica Arms and started producing rifles

[plush leaf]

I highly doubt that as the real life one has no connection or pop culture influence on anything SCAR-related

[rich quartz]

That’s true I was just reaching lol

[plush leaf]

For Colt, this is funny as it’s CTLO in-game, which is the French Navy Counter-Terrorist and Hostage Rescue force. This is a reference to the fact that naval-based units use the M45A1 (the US Marines MARSOC) and the Mk 18 Mod 0 (US Navy)

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/comments/xv57ov/french_navy_ctlo_contreterrorisme_libération_d/

[rich quartz]

Ohh okie okay so, what about the B&T guns?

[plush leaf]

No B&T markings from what I could find or know, only a Swiss cross

For SIG Sauer, it’s SIC Suhl in-game with SIC being the English abbreviation of the company name and Suhl is the reference to where Sauer was founded

[rich quartz]

Ohh okie

Finally a game that does fictional
Firearms well

[blissful saffron]

does anyone know why i cannot secure the evidence?

it works sometimes

[uncut ridge]

HAVE You tried securing it?

[blissful saffron]

im trying :)))

i cant, idk why

yes

is there any way to fix it?

what do you mean?

i need to be in the main menu?

done

oh

[golden birch]

anyone done "Sleeper Agent" yet?
Is the 15s time limit for all fifteen suspects, or are 15s granted between each individual arrest/kill .. ?

[blissful saffron]

ok

im trying rn

tysm ❤️

[finite seal]

you can be the first to get sleeper agent

[golden birch]

That's not what I meant, I'm addressing the question to anyone 'here' who has done it

[blissful saffron]

yes

i really appreciate the help ❤️

[karmic wraith]

Is it me or the SF10 gasmask is bugged and you can't use it?

[robust yarrow]

15 between each kill/arrest/incap

[golden birch]

Figured, that's actually.. not, as bad as I thought it was -- still sweaty tho

[robust yarrow]

I've been losing my sanity trying to get it the last several hours

[golden birch]

oof yeah
Not at all a fan of Elysian map either, not going to be great.

[robust yarrow]

Yep it's mostly difficult because you depend heavily on RNG for the enemy spawns

[wintry barn]

I need to do rustbelt with revolver only. I did it but i didnt get the achievement

What do i need? My team is also with revolver

[robust yarrow]

Did you lockpick doors?

[finite seal]

legit 0.0%

no one, ever, to recent date has sleeper agent'd

[golden birch]

oh people definitely have, its just bugged or so low that it doesn't register 0.1% yet

not sure what the breakpoint is to register a 0.1% on Steam global listing

[wintry barn]

Yes why

[robust yarrow]

That counts as using another item so it voids the achievement, kick or have ai break down doors

Also swat ai can use any weapon just make sure they don't use shields

[wintry barn]

Wow

[wintry barn]

Oh so the AI can go with pepper ball but they have to go with revolver equipped? Even if they dont use it?

[robust yarrow]

They can have any primary and sidearm, I got the achivement by having them equipped with GA51 and ordering them to clear ahead of me

[wintry barn]

Oh ok is because i heard they have to go with revolver

[golden birch]

what's SDF?

[bitter mason]

Six days in fallujah

[golden birch]

ah yeah, its very outdated tbh - understandably, even so

[brittle swan]

sleeper achievment my eternal curse

why must thu torment me

[nimble totem]

i can hardly do the post office level i cant imagine what trying to get sleeper is like

[brittle swan]

its the last achievment i need

i think ive been at it for a solid ~10 hours now

probably more

[brittle swan]

yes ofc

just go to nexus, find the mod you like, download and unzip, then just place it into the pak folder in the game directory

or use the ingame mod browser but it didnt work that well for me in the past

[fleet minnow]

Yup, it's a site. For easy mod management I recommend the Vortex Mod Manager app.

If the mod only replaces a certain piece of equipment like clothing, then it is client sided.

However, some mods are server sided. Such as additional guns, additional clothing, Armor, etc.

I could just teach you here, it's as simple as dragging and dropping.

Open the ready or not page on your library, and click on the gear icon.

There should be a button called show game files.

There should be four visible folders, click on the second folder, then click on PAKS.

The paks folder is where you drop the mod files in. But be sure that the mods were uploaded/updated on December 10, 2024 and forward.

Yup.

You don't need to pay anything to mod the game.

You're welcome!

[fast siren]

Any tips for elephant apart from rushing everything down and ignoring everything but the suspects?

[wintry barn]

S rank or you just want to pass the mission?

[quaint raptor]

im down to two missions to S rank in base game; relapse and the port. Im going CRAZY with these

[fast siren]

S rank , I feel there is nothing you can really do , its 100% if you get a lucky with the suspect spawn

[jovial swan]

I’m never going to S rank port, would rather die.

[modern vapor]

What's up with that stupid Port hokan achievment?
I did a run solo with AI only had taser, flashbangs and bash (+ NVGS), commanded the AI only with the Z command, got a B and still did not get the achievment

what bullshit is this?

[supple blade]

Is there any way for me to change the swat ai? I like doing things a certain way so I really don't like when I'm ordering a suspect out of a room and then the swat teammates go in to arrest them, only to get shot

[gentle void]

guys

how do i enable team camera while playing

[gentle void]

if u dont wanna u order them to hold position

[shy tulip]

Press/hold T

[supple blade]

Oh sweet

Thank you

[gentle void]

and to change between members?

[copper silo]

press t

[shy tulip]

It should also be T again, it will say on the cam screen

[gentle void]

thx

[subtle tapir]

can i stop the two officers from arguing? It gets annoying hearing the same dialogue for the 100th time

[shy tulip]

Have you asked them to go to HR

[serene mauve]

i love the silly little detail that shooting the air near noncompliant civilians will make them surrender faster its so funny

[winter pendant]

Is that real?

[serene mauve]

yes

if a civilian doesn't want to get cuffed just shoot a warning shot nearby and they'll instantly drop to their knees

absolutely hilarious

[rugged isle]

Ah that's what i was supposed to aim not the arm?..ops👀

Anyways..any tips or resources to check if i'm going to commit with the ai companions runs? Explored a bit the action menu but is still a bit cloudy on how to use it fully

[gilded oar]

I don't get why the avon gas masks shown in the 1.0 customisation briefing were not free and only for supporters.

[shy tulip]

Was probably the new version of the existing supporter gas mask

[subtle tapir]

wtf is this scary ahh music in sins of the father

[marsh bone]

Am I the only one taking issue with how I get a "Unauithorized use of force" after shooting a guy who refuses to drop a gun and then makes a jerky draw movement towards me? It's happened several times now and almost no dept would find that unjustified. It's a bit crazy

[gilded oar]

But it sucks to not have it free like the default gas mask looks ass and the other 2 do look awesome. But avon was the best and could have replaced the carbon gas mask.

[marsh bone]

Second complaint, almost every single civilian is standoffish. It's extremely annoying to sit there and have a debate with every one of them

[subtle tapir]

you need a mod

[winter pendant]

• make frequent use of stack up and cover to get the AI to hold positions or angles
• note that individual officers can be ordered around by looking at them with the menu open
• play the training level if you haven't already
• configure your quick command button to something easy and intuitive for you (I use spacebar)
• it's ok to split up the teams, or even to use one team for defending and one for attacking/following, but try not to get them too separated in case you need the whole team.

• Play around with how the different long-tacticals are used by the AI. ex. shield guy will always take point when room clearing, battering ram guy will switch positions after breaching but shotgun guy won't, the difference in effect between throwing vs launching grenades, etc

• take note of the hold/resume command. It can be used anytime during room clearing to prevent the AI from overextending themselves.

[marsh bone]

Nice, I hadnt noticed that one

[winter pendant]

you can also chain the queued command with hold so that you can use the quick command button to get the AI to stop moving

[rugged isle]

Didn't saw the quick one, definetly need a dive with the control part. Ty for the infos✨
Last thing, for training with teammates there is a zone or map? Because for now i just found the solo range/training.

[winter pendant]

I am unsure whether Detachment 0 Shoothouse is set up for AI officers

idk just mess around in quick play so that if your officers die or get stress it won't affect anything

quick play = practice

[brittle swan]

sleeper is my worst enemy

[winter pendant]

it was pretty hard but I eventually got it. I put red team in a room upstairs and blue team in a room downstairs, had them both cover, and then LTL'd most of the map without performing any arrests and ordering every suspect into the same room, then arresting them all at once

it sucks because the pathfinding is buggy and you have to get them to draw their second guns to fully disarm them without arresting them

[brittle swan]

thats certainly a way

how long did that take

[winter pendant]

I do not have a full squad of steam friends I would think capable of blitzing the map so

uhhh definitely a good while. maybe like half an hour on the successful attempt?

I definitely like devoted a day to it lmao

[brittle swan]

can ai kill ppl for it to count?

[winter pendant]

discovering that using the Cover command prevents the AI from auto-arresting was a game changer

[winter pendant]

idk probably

I found that it was too difficult to get through rooms quickly and regulate the speed and effectiveness of engagements so I just gave up and cheesed it

[brittle swan]

my challenge is just running out of suspects lmao

[winter pendant]

there is a mod for that, I refused to use it and had to do my wacky thing as a result

[glacial ridge]

the achievement? Yeah when I saw how people have to cheese it I decided the achievement just isn't for me

[brittle swan]

same thats why im suffering so much lmfao

[winter pendant]

ai

I was in detachment 0 for a bit but there's a guy I really don't get along with so I left

now I generally only co-op with like one person at a time

aw :3

you're welcome to dm me and I'll friend you up on steam, no guarantees for how often I'm on

how long do your arma ops run?

I see. i got arma cheap on sale but idk if I wanna commit the time

ooooo that's brutal

3

[old scarab]

Is there any future/roadmap that the devs have told us about?

[winter pendant]

5

[glacial ridge]

banned

[winter pendant]

I'm like Stewie Griffin, I never get past baby age I just get smarter

I'm 26

I am so not down to play long stretches of gaming past midnight but I'll happily play some RON with you

est

uhhhh idk I'm kinda spontaneous? we should save this for DM

[umbral oar]

how do i play old versions

[brittle swan]

I FINALLY DID IT RAAAAAAAAAAAA

[winter pendant]

niiiiice

[solemn cypress]

ive been trying to figure out what the optimal default commands are.

trying to make the ai squad commands as seamless and pragmatic as possible

[shy tulip]

The most optimal are whatever you use more often

[winter pendant]

I have not had any luck with that, personally. I've generally left it at default

[wraith plover]

Did I just get censored because I said b*tch

I like doing missions with a shotgun and getting "Unauthorised use of force" because b*tch, it's a shotgun

[solemn cypress]

❤️

[wraith plover]

Honestly, I disagree. Personally, the only thing I focus on is open/breach and clear/bang

If there are contacts, its typically a form of breach (Normally kick but if there are many contacts C2) and occasionally flash

[shrewd oriole]

Some gun mods coming out that look pretty chill

I don't think I've seriously used the hold or cover commands

[wraith plover]

I tend to because I like red team more and like going into rooms with them so I make blue team cover the entrance

[shrewd oriole]

I enjoy the c2, flash and clear method

Maybe a 9 bang or two

[glacial ridge]

I try and be realistic and use almost no flashbangs ever

my next run will be 2 flashbangs per map and no optiwand

[wraith plover]

I don’t optiwand but I fucking love flash bangs

[glacial ridge]

I just know not many officers IRL are gonna be willing to carry 7 flashbangs on them at all times

[wraith plover]

I bring like 2 and the AI each get one

[glacial ridge]

I know it's a game but I like how challenging it can be to play in these scenarios like real SWAT lol, no lockpicks

[wraith plover]

That’s 6 rooms to flash and that’s typically the most I need

[wraith plover]

That’s what the ram is for

[glacial ridge]

real life swat isnt gonna clear a hospital with a 5 man team either

more like, deadly threat? 50 trained officers converge and surround the building

[wraith plover]

Real life swat have 50 constables behind them at all times

[copper silo]

when 8

[glacial ridge]

Yeah, it's much more contained than ingame, but it wouldn't be fun to have a 20 man team for something like Lethal Injection

[wraith plover]

Need to find me a C8 mod. I wanna use Canadian army equipment cause I like torture

[glacial ridge]

I always need a reminder that canada actually has a military

[wraith plover]

So does its government

But shush I didn’t say that

[ashen bolt]

maybe I'm just bad at the game but even with just 5 AI teamates it feels like they're constantly getting in the way, I can only imagine how bad it would be with 20 of them

[glacial ridge]

Well, normally they will split into teams of 2's and 3's to clear rooms, instead of a 5 man team clearing 1 bedroom

That's how I run it ingame too, I let blue team do their own thing and I run with red team, that way we avoid that exact issue

when i say their own thing btw ofc i mean, a nearby room i command them to go do, not truly their own thing lol.

[lime stone]

I was showing off and threw up a stinger grenade into the sky. On Rust Belt then attempted to skeet shoot it with my shotgun.

Am i insane or did my shot make it detonate.

Is shooting grenades a feature in RoN

Id appreciate it very much if this question reached Void team members.

[cold wadi]

hey yall! i just got the game and loadouts are freaking me out lol. tips?

[winter pendant]

Change like one thing per mission

For your first change, go to the firing range and mess with a few primary weapons to see what you like, and maybe an optic for it.

[lime stone]

Do you like gear and firearms? If so. Just unleash your inner gear gremlin and have fun

[restive ferry]

G3A3, wedges, flash bangs, full heavy ceramic armor.

[cold wadi]

i’ve been messing around with optics a lil, so i got those down. but i dont rlly know what guns are “good” yk?

[restive ferry]

G3A3 best gun

[cold wadi]

gotcha

[lime stone]

Avoid MK16. But seriously, have fun and find out what you like.
I can sit and tell you that the MCX is goated or whatever. But there's a real flash of joy that happens when you find something nice.
I dont want to rob you of that.

[cold wadi]

also true

[lime stone]

Avoid gearing for long range engagements.
A lot suspects have armour

And...IR illumination is not that important. You're working low light combat 10% of the time at best. Modded maps not withstanding.

[restive ferry]

Flashlight on every gun fr fr

[cold wadi]

nah i fw lasers heavy

[restive ferry]

Flashlight better

[cold wadi]

is it? is that bc ppl are in shadows or what?

[restive ferry]

you can point shoot easy in this game

[lime stone]

I run the same

[restive ferry]

Never use the laser on anything unless I have shield

Just aim with flashlight and you always hit

[lime stone]

But I am point shooting 80% of the time

[cold wadi]

😭

[lime stone]

When I aim with the light my accuracy is dreadful

[restive ferry]

Skill issue

[lime stone]

Unless shotguns :))

[cold wadi]

i mean if yall don’t mind me being literally brand new to the game

[restive ferry]

I only play with people with 5k hours

[cold wadi]

5k is wild work ngl

[restive ferry]

I’m training to be an elite operator

[cold wadi]

if yall wanna run squads add me my user is the same as my discord

[lime stone]

Are you EU, Stinkoln?

[cold wadi]

nah usa

[lime stone]

Oof

[restive ferry]

My team goes on highly classified missions in ron (no big deal)

[lime stone]

Wedge Enjoyer gets lethal S ranks. Without mods

[glacial ridge]

SA-58 is the secret to S ranks, and 870's

[restive ferry]

Additionally, RPR has an Elite Element to respond to Level V (Classified) warrants. Few make it into this Elite Element, but keep up your training to be the best, and maybe the Commander will call on you....

[lime stone]

Wedge enjoyer does not even know what the TOC admonishment lines sound like

[restive ferry]

Yes

Go look at my intro message

😭

(They have a warrant division)

[lime stone]

Wedge Enjoyer ARRESTS every time

[restive ferry]

I’m only ranked to arrest, I haven’t been trained on lethal so I have to stay back

[glacial ridge]

Rumor has it wedge carries a wooden pistol

[lime stone]

Bless your heart sir, enjoy your time here

[restive ferry]

I let my reaper team do the dirty work (they are so cool)

[lime stone]

How could you leak such crucial, classified info?

[glacial ridge]

it's good, the AI can be shotty don't let anyone fool you

But if you babysit them you can make some badass things happen

Luckily the game has plenty of players online who love to play tactically to make the game a lot more enjoyable

[lime stone]

An AI lost his animations, span a full 360 while hugging me so I cant shoot him today.
So glad I run a good pistol

[restive ferry]

You guys are literally so jealous that I’m in an elite operator division lol

I’m just a cadet but once they let me talk to one of the reaper team guys. It was such an honor

You are

Maybe you day you can be in the Rapid protective response division (probably not though)

We’re the best of the best. Our commander was gonna join the seal teams. He only didn’t because he got diabetes and lost his foot (he really liked Twinkies)

He knows so many tactics, he would never

Not just anyone can join the reaper team

Keep training for a few year, you’ll make it one day kiddo

[steep ridge]

reaper team lmao?

[winter pendant]

Are you implying he lost his foot due to eating too many twinkies

[steep ridge]

like from halo?

the fanfic from halo?

[restive ferry]

RPR ("Reaper") Teams:
RPR is not for the faint of heart; it's for those who thrive under pressure, excel in teamwork, and are committed to serving and protecting their community in the most demanding situations.
Guided by committed and seasoned mentors, while welcoming real-life Military and LEO, our RPR Elements are at the forefront of scenarios, ensuring safety and order. Our RPR Elements, including NA, EU, and Oceanic operators of all time zones, train weekly and respond to biweekly Levels I-IV warrants and randomized Emergency Dispatches.
Additionally, RPR has an Elite Element to respond to Level V (Classified) warrants. Few make it into this Elite Element, but keep up your training to be the best,

[steep ridge]

so like spec ops or sum

[restive ferry]

I’m not allowed to even hear about what goes on in these classified warrants (it’s gotta be so bad ass)

Leaking classified warrants will get me banned

[steep ridge]

ok i guess

[restive ferry]

How do these dudes have all of this shit just for RON 😭

[steep ridge]

searched it up on google

nothin about it

[restive ferry]

Look at the unit promo channel

[winged peak]

Can people who don't own the dlc see the dlc cosmetics equipped on my character?

[jolly tiger]

Yes

[winged peak]

strange, my friend can't see em

probably some bug

[gray heath]

do custom maps that were updated for home invasion work after the dark waters update came out or do we have to wait for them to be updated again

[bleak tartan]

Idk why but the cherryessa farm mission spooks me out

[glacial ridge]

Maybe its the cult feminists

[bleak tartan]

Mostly the soundtrack, the freaky masks, the fact that they all look the same and have rifles that can end my s rank run in a second

[glacial ridge]

I remember when I first played that mission and when I looked in that back forest area, the first thing I saw was that giant ass statue thing

And I was like "yeah nah im good I saw blair witch"

[bleak tartan]

Next time im on that mission i'm giving my teammates heavy armor and 7.62 NATO guns

Taking NO chances 😭

[glacial ridge]

me n my boy ran it the other day got an A idk how we suck

[bleak tartan]

A is impresive with 2 players though

[glacial ridge]

I plan to get it at S on commander whenever I finish Neon tomb at S

[bleak tartan]

Oh careful with neon tomb sometimes the guys with bomb vests just don't surrender

[glacial ridge]

Yeah, my entire AI team decided it was a good idea to walk towards him and they all died, that's where I ended my night

[bleak tartan]

Beanbag might be a good idea

[glacial ridge]

Meh, only if i shoot in the leg

I used gas, but this time the guy ran around a corner, and for some reason my AI chased him and he blew them all up

[bleak tartan]

Sacrificing for the civilians i guess

[robust yarrow]

They only surrender if you're far away

[quick lintel]

you know the new hesitation thing AI has? yeah it doesnt fucking work, he pointed it at me, i shot him "-50 unauthorised use of force"

[shy tulip]

Sounds like a mmm, skill issue

I feel like if the devs tracked where the suspects gun was aiming people would walk in front of them intentionally just to claim ROE

Reminds me of that clip (idk from where) of that soldier laying on the ground, the other guy throws him a rifle, and then shoots him to avoid warcrimes

[sullen egret]

new to the game, what can i expect from the game in terms of difficulty

[shy tulip]

There will be many missions where you want to (and will probably) violate ROE

[sullen egret]

so i basically shoot the guys with guns and thats it

[shy tulip]

There's a bit more to it than that