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[halcyon terrace]

@worldly ridge no i not officer. just play game

[tacit gull]

so true

[shadow ether]

Very good! I had an amazing run of RoN today introducing the game to a new team member and revisiting the early game maps with them

[worldly ridge]

Like I said, it's the server role by default.

Also, SCAR-H my beloved

[shadow ether]

G3A3 for life

[worldly ridge]

That too, but the mag check sound on the SCAR-H is ear orgasm

[covert aurora]

Thats awesome!! I hope they are enjoying the game

[shadow ether]

I've been bellyaching for it to be added for months

[worldly ridge]

"We already have the SCAR-L, no way they add the SCAR-H"
They add the SCAR-H
Proper SCAR stock
LET'S GOOO

[formal ember]

I feel like I'd rather nothing get added before the game being broken is fixed imo

[worldly ridge]

Both are necessary and good.

[shadow ether]

That means I shall continue bellyaching about features I would really like. They added a gun I really wanted and my absolute favourite gun! Being annoying really paid off! I shall continue.

[worldly ridge]

I wish they'd add the AMD-65

[covert aurora]

This is fair and valid

[halcyon terrace]

google.com

[shadow ether]

They are having a blast! 😎
Sometimes it's a blast of 12ga to the face, but hey, it's all good

[buoyant light]

New update made the game too easy, change my mind

[candid bolt]

TRUE FRFR

[worldly ridge]

In which perspective?

[covert aurora]

Good! I am just waiting on the other type of blast to the face that we all have been experianced >:)

[shadow ether]

Oh, we don't use C2

[covert aurora]

No i ment door traps

[buoyant light]

i never get hit by bullets anymore, i never die, even on S. It's too easy. Suspects never shoot first, they always hesitate. They dont hit either when they finally shoot

[worldly ridge]

You should. It's a blast.
But on the serious side, C2 is amazing. Knocks down anyone on the other side and inflicts a good amount of morale loss

[shadow ether]

Ohhh! Curiously, we avoided these really well today!

[candid bolt]

i second this

[covert aurora]

Oh! Well nicely done!

[candid bolt]

the ai got nerfed too hard

[worldly ridge]

Interesting. I cannot share that experience.
If I surprise them, sure I can fire first. Quite often I get lit up even when I'm pieing doorways and the like.

[shadow ether]

Suspects do hesitate for long seconds now, I can confirm

I shall make swift use of that fact to get S ranks on three maps I want the unlocks for.

[worldly ridge]

In my experince, the initial ones do yes. The ones next room set up angles and immediately fire you when even a pixel of you is visible.

[candid bolt]

compared to what the game was before this update, it has gotton too easy, and way too many suspects hesitate imo

[formal ember]

Well I sure hope it's not either of the maps that it's impossible for. I'd have the game 100 percented months ago.

[worldly ridge]

Or we just got too good and shoot them first when we see the animation isn't correct

[shadow ether]

It's Ides of March, Valley of the Dolls, and Carriers of the Vine

[formal ember]

well that's good.

[worldly ridge]

I often have the experience of clearing a room, and the suspects in the other room are holding angles and immediately shoot me when I pie the corner.

My elbow has been destroyed so many times...

[shadow ether]

Is it fair to voice suggestions for things that I feel like I would request to use? I feel the lack of some options quite distinctly, even when we're not engaged in meme plays.

[worldly ridge]

What would be an example of such an option?

(I want to force arrest stunned NPCs)

[shadow ether]

A sniper rifle on long tac.
I would 100% use that thing in a few maps as the team's techy/sharpshooter/rear guard.

Also, IR goggles to use with smoke and gas grenades.

[worldly ridge]

I'd rather have dedicated snipers we can "use" like in SWAT4 than carrying a long ass rifle that does the same thing my battle rifle does.
Thermal sights would be cool indeed. I've found that flashlights are useful if you go into gassed rooms.

On the note of sniper
VOID, let me switch the magnification on the LVPO plz

[formal ember]

thermals cant see through smokes

[worldly ridge]

Yes they can

[formal ember]

I work with flirs

[worldly ridge]

Regular smoke, you can see thru. Some smoke, no

[shadow ether]

You would rather. Me, playing my games with my team, I distinctly feel like I could do more if I could have an SMG on my primary, and a long tac sniper rifle with very little ammo pool.

||I know that because I am doing that through a glitch, having sacrificed my sidearm||

[worldly ridge]

And this would be solved if the LVPO magnification could be adjusted

Or at least a red dot could be put on top as a piggyback

[shadow ether]

Would not having a usable primary be solved with adjustable optic? 🤔

[worldly ridge]

If you have a G3 or a SCAR-H with an adjustable LVPO, that would solve the issue of a sniper

If they add a bolt-action as a weapon, I want a Colt Single Action Army and a C96

[shadow ether]

I make do with laser sights and putting my G3 sideways when I absolutely have to. But I am enjoying my option to also carry an MP7 and use that in tight spaces instead.

[worldly ridge]

I also want an M240 for those long firefights

[shadow ether]

What I am saying is, with that arrangement, I barely go through half a mag of my rifle, and go through many mags of my SMG. So I feel it appropriate to have a long tac sniper rifle with a small ammo pool much like we have long tac grenade launchers.

[worldly ridge]

So G51 with an LVPO that is adjustable.
Good for both CQC and long range

[covert aurora]

Of course! Best place i think to do is i. The #1050529506022137876

[shadow ether]

But it isn't. The accuracy on it would suck for range this long, and again, the point of having it on long tac is for me to have another primary because I end up using my secondary a lot more.

[worldly ridge]

The accuracy wouldn't suck. It shoots where you aim. It's a game.
Why do you use your secondary a lot more, do you like pistols that much?

If my primary can handle CQC and long range using an LVPO, I don't need to carry an obsolete bolt action

Well, I have no need for a bolt action in any scenario anyway

[shadow ether]

It does seem to suck on that gun in particular on that range in particular, tried (and failed) on hospital.
And I use my secondary a lot more because it is an MP7 and a fast-firing short SMG appears to have better handling for tight spaces I need to enter and adjust to quickly

[worldly ridge]

OK, first
The MP7 is not a secondary. It's a primary.
Second, I think you just don't account for bore offset. The gun is perfectly accurate for me

[shadow ether]

Yes it is. I got it as a sidearm through a glitch and I am not giving it back.

[worldly ridge]

.....

[shadow ether]

Are you telling me I am not supposed to enjoy the loadout I am enjoying and would like to enjoy and share in a more legitimate way?

[worldly ridge]

I am telling you to put the G3A3 with a scope as your primary then and there's your sniper

Glitched loadouts are not an argument and I refuse to entertain this any further

[shadow ether]

I mean, if you don't want it as a bolt action, fine, it can be a PSG1 or something, with two 5 round mags in total. But I would enjoy a long tac properly sniper rifle.

[worldly ridge]

What's the point. G3A3 with scope

Adjustable LVPO means I have a 1x and a 12x scope

"Well yes, I want a proper primary rifle, a secondary SMG, and a scoped precision rifle on my back for SWAT play"

Like I said, I want an M240B and a .50 cal as well in that case

As a long tactical option, of course

I want to keep my short 5.56 rifle AND play with my M240B

[pine ore]

Go play grounded

[shadow ether]

Having my primary with it is the point
I don't always need that 50+m shot
In fact, I rarely need it at all
But when I do need it, I don't want to sacrifice a more appropriate primary for those 3 shots if I realistically could grab a lightweight M24 or something.

[worldly ridge]

Just get good? Hitting a 50+m shot isn't hard in the first place

And I also want to lay down a 100 rounds of .308 full auto without sacrificing a more appropriate priamry

[shadow ether]

I would give up my MP7 on sidearm if I could have my precision rifle on long tac. You're making me sound like I want a DOOM arsenal in my pocket, 500 grenades and an airstrike on top
Don't do that, please

[worldly ridge]

So you do want everything

Precision long range in your arsenal and a full auto short SMG for CQC

[shadow ether]

I want to not sacrifice my primary for 3 precision shots. I want to sacrifice my breaching shotgun for it.

[worldly ridge]

Then you get nothing. For 3 shots LOL

[shadow ether]

Ah yes, SWAT stands for "standard weapons and tactics"

[worldly ridge]

Guess where a sniper you can control with your tablet would come into play?
Guess where an adjustable LVPO would come into play?

Oh yeah, for those 3 shots

[normal hornet]

is there another customization unlocked or are they all gone? bc it just crashes my game when i launch

[worldly ridge]

I forgot all those SWAT guys who run around with MP7s, pistols and precision long rifles at the same time

[worldly ridge]

New version for Dark Waters is out on nexus

[shadow ether]

It is common for snipers to also have an SMG

[worldly ridge]

1. No it's not in a police capacity
2. Not during breaches

A police sniper is set up on another building, not breaching with the rest of the guys

[shadow ether]

1. Source?

[worldly ridge]

Yours?

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-it-would-seem-gif-18322444

[worldly ridge]

Show me a SWAT officer breaching a door with a sniper on his back

If you do, I concede

[shadow ether]

None, you were just so confident I was sure you had one

[stable kernel]

Move on you two

[worldly ridge]

Like I said, I want to carry a fully loaded M240B with AP ammo as a long tactical.
Then I will agree that a sniper is good for a long slot

[worldly ridge]

Kay.

XD

[normal hornet]

i dont see

[stable kernel]

Move on does not mean keep going

[normal hornet]

wheres the new unlocked mod

[worldly ridge]

Here, I have to hold your hand for some reason
https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/5116

[normal hornet]

my bad bro

[worldly ridge]

Also, good to know how the mods handle things here. I'll keep that in mind

[terse umbra]

Hey I’d love the AI to clear rooms when I tell them the first time not 2 or 3 wasting valuable seconds on an active shooter mission I mean what the fuck

It’s so frustrating how repetitive this issue is

And this is a core element of your game

[desert plaza]

my screen starts flickering if i put on nvidia dlss for better fps

[worldly ridge]

Ok? What card do you have? Are your drivers up to date? Etc

[terse umbra]

Lmaoooo I shoot a suspect and my team don’t take the lead to take him down so I can fall back and heal, letting me die — thanks 🤣

[desert plaza]

4070 super and yes they are updated

[worldly ridge]

Then sadly I cannot help you further. My RTX3060 handles DLSS.
Maybe it's a screen setting issue, CPU interference, bugged driver

[shadow ether]

Which mask do you mean?

Oh, for a balaclava you just enter a multiplayer lobby and select your character model to be Echo

[rustic bobcat]

yum 🤤

[shadow ether]

It's free.

[worldly ridge]

For Single-Player, it's a mod as well.

But if you mod it, your MP lobbies are limited due to the checksum option

[terse umbra]

So let me get this straight — if you tell them to search a room, they won’t break off from you to search said room….?

[worldly ridge]

AI works in mysterious ways.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't

If they don't follow your orders a "Fall In" then sending the order again usually works

Issue is, circumstances don't always allow it

The gas mask is available by default in your loadout options

You can select your face options, the gas mask is one of them

Skins for the gas mask are in the customization menu, so cosmetic only.
You have three in vanilla. But you need to unlock them

FYI each face option is better for different things
Ballistic mask has extra armor for face
Gas mask is obviously for gas grenade immunity
Flash goggles reduce the flash effect if you're hit by them

IIRC all face options have a certain armor ration to them, but the mask has the best one

Or, at least the gas mask has some extra armor

[terse umbra]

Also I love how the AI clears a room and don’t detain the suspects 🤣🤣🤣 fucking brain dead worst AI on the market

Lmaoooo they walk by a suspect and don’t detain him now

Designed to fail

[hexed escarp]

anybody have an answer to this? #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[hexed escarp]

for me they clear & detain just fine

they make sure the entire room is clear first and THEN secure weapons & suspects

[tacit gull]

I think it should mention all saved data including progression and loadouts instead

I don't think anybody gives that much of a shit about settings

[ocean olive]

Yeah I’ve never played it before rn I’m really stuck on brisa cove

I’ve tried it so many times but I never succeed

[hexed escarp]

brisa isnt that hard imo, just send your squad up ahead to deal with most rooms and use heavy armor + gas

gas makes basically every suspect on any map instantly give up and it covers the entirety of most rooms

also make sure you check every door for wires

[ocean olive]

alr will do that thanks

[shadow ether]

Remember to check the doors for tripwires!!!

[ocean olive]

yeah i kinda want to do it s tier but thats a bit much for me

[shadow ether]

I am going to S tier it even if I'll need to solo it

I want my glasses.

[ocean olive]

i think ill complete it coop first so that i gett a better understanding unfortunately are all of the eu vcs full rn but someone might join

[hexed escarp]

S tier on most maps is about the same as lethal i think, just spam pepperball at every suspect you see

its def harder but not much much harder

[ocean olive]

null and ssrb are any of you eu?

[hexed escarp]

nah im NA

[shadow ether]

If you are ||for some reason|| playing with AI teammates, give them pepper balls and take a beanbag shotgun for yourself

[ocean olive]

damn alr

[shadow ether]

Perhaps
Why?

[ocean olive]

i wanna do the campaign thats why

[hexed escarp]

be careful with beanbag shotgun though cause it can still instakill with headshots lol

[ocean olive]

wanted to do it coop first so i can get a better understanding of the map

[shadow ether]

I'm not so confident in my spoken english 😵

[ocean olive]

okay if u say so are you german perhaps?

[hexed escarp]

its pretty simple, the only noteworthy thing is that in the center room theres a chance of a guy with an M249 spawning (sometimes its just a regular custom AR15)

[ocean olive]

then the english problem wouldnt exist

[hexed escarp]

every other room you can just look at the map on ur tablet to see what the layout is like

[hexed escarp]

oh also i swear theres like a 99% chance of the fire exit door being wired, because everytime i open it without thinking i get blown up

[shadow ether]

No
And besides, we'd very likely need at least one more player, 2 man army-ing it would SUCK
||I tried||

[ocean olive]

alr thanks for the help

[shadow ether]

You need 3 people for that just for the inventory slots

or I guess we can try it as a pair if you feel safe enough not bringing any meaningful armor

[tacit gull]

Stab vest is a bit too poor, but light armor is good enough for carrying most of what you need

you can also just peek a suspect with the taser for a cheap arrest

[shadow ether]

Why can we not just get a chest rig? No armor, all inventory slots

[tacit gull]

that's basically what the stab vest is

even though it looks fucking terrible and clips like crazy

[shadow ether]

I dislike how it looks and that it provides armor against blades, even if I never see them in actual gameplay

[tacit gull]

It doesnt provide any armor at all

[shadow ether]

It doesn't help against knives?

[tacit gull]

no

[shadow ether]

then why is it a STAB vest if it doesn't vest you from any stabs

[tacit gull]

yes

[shadow ether]

why is it not a chest rig instead

[covert aurora]

Because..... REASONS

[hexed escarp]

does the stab vest not let you choose one of the other vest options??

[tacit gull]

no

[hexed escarp]

thats weird but kinda makes sense

[tacit gull]

it doesn't considering both heavy and light armor can be customised

[shadow ether]

Stab vests are decently heavy though, heavy enough to not wear them with armor plates

[hexed escarp]

yeah but ig none of the custom vest models would really match up with the stab vest

[tacit gull]

match up how

[shadow ether]

Maybe it's under the uniform

[hexed escarp]

similar in appearance ig? i havent ever used the stab vest so no clue what it looks like

i <3 my heavy armor model

[tacit gull]

I really dislike the heavy armor model and i just wish the BDRTAC vest had a black variant

[shadow ether]

YES PLEASE

[hexed escarp]

ok that is kinda true sometimes i prefer the BDRTAC vest

[tacit gull]

that would basically be the only heavy armor i'd be willing to wear

that or the sexy ass legacy vest with the shoulder pads

[hexed escarp]

dont think i remember it

i genuinely hate relapse so much man 💔

[shadow ether]

'99 officer kit

[hexed escarp]

oooh

[tacit gull]

not that one

that one's just a kevlar vest

can't really find a good pic of it outside the light armor variant

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art just imagine it has shoulder pads aswell

[hexed escarp]

looks kinda goofy imo

i wish most of all that we got more gas masks, the current selection is kinda bad

[fleet minnow]

We sort of took away the funding for the knife resistant material.

[hexed escarp]

the marshal gas mask has a weird side profile, the regular one clips with every helmet, the '99 is pretty cool but its an old model

[tacit gull]

all of the gas masks clip horribly

i'd rather they actually fix that than add new ones

[fleet minnow]

Somehow the modded gasmasks look better by comparison. I'm looking at you Avon M50.

[tacit gull]

yeah what the fuck is up with that one 💀

if you take your helmet off it looks like its cut off

[hexed escarp]

i havent looked at any modded gas masks so i wouldnt know

[fleet minnow]

The gasmasks looks so fucking thick, like you're not supposed to be wearing any helmets.

[hexed escarp]

the 99 and marshal gas masks dont look like they clip that bad but i havent looked at them too closely

[fleet minnow]

There's the respirator, and the Gentex Gasmask.

[hexed escarp]

the regular gas mask is just the one that clips the most obviously

[tacit gull]

try taking your helmet off and start crying

[fleet minnow]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/5068

This is the best gas mask by far. It looks great.

[tacit gull]

ignoring the straps that clip through every single helmet in the game

[hexed escarp]

oh... thats bad bad 💔

[tacit gull]

this respirator's already in the game actually, they coulda added it to the SWAT

[fleet minnow]

Yep.

[tacit gull]

then again we still haven't gotten the surgical facemask

[hexed escarp]

i wish they'd make H. lincoln's M14 usable, i dont want my cyberpunk 2077erized m14 i want to go back to tradition 💔

[tacit gull]

atleast we finally got it and it fucks

[fleet minnow]

The M14 is too damn heavy to be used in CQC.

[hexed escarp]

cant really use the irons on it though since theres a massive rail down the middle

[hexed escarp]

ok but its awesome and i love wooden guns

[tacit gull]

i've only used the irons on it and it was pretty good

the hipfire on it is ridiculously accurate aswell

[fleet minnow]

It takes heads off.

[hexed escarp]

does hipfiring reduce your accuracy a lot?? i've seen the accuracy stat on like two attachments but no clue what it actually effects

[tacit gull]

some weapons can have csgo tier inaccuracy

[hexed escarp]

oh dear

i've had some absolutely atrocious hipfire misses with the P90 but i always just assumed it was horizontal recoil making me miss

[shadow ether]

Exactly as advertised

Get yours today

[hexed escarp]

still wondering about H. lincoln lore tbh #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

pre 2020s los suenos sounds like a literal warzone 😭

[tacit gull]

It's just a reference to SWAT 3, it's not that deep

[hexed escarp]

oh didnt know that

never played any of the swat games nor have i watched gameplay

[shadow ether]

Sgt. Lincoln is very likely the player character from SWAT 3 with serial numbers filed off

[fleet minnow]

I wonder if there's any references to Lead from SWAT 4.

[tacit gull]

SWAT 3 atleast is insanely impressive, problem is it doesn't run on modern hardware

like at all, and if it does run it doesn't scale properly to resolution

[shadow ether]

I found none so far. Makes sense since Lead was an East Coast officer ||and the entire RoN game is one big reference to SWAT 4 already||

[tacit gull]

The SWAT 4 reference is that half of the game's systems are copied over from swat 4

[fleet minnow]

Give the character voice lines and witty banter NOW.

[tacit gull]

No.

[hexed escarp]

make them say "that just happened" after every fight 🙏

[tacit gull]

You eat the commander mode slop that's on your plate

[hexed escarp]

wheres my "erm,, hes right behind me, isnt he??" when a suspect is nearby

[tacit gull]

The current banter voicelines are about on par

[shadow ether]

You're in my spot, sir

[hexed escarp]

the horror

[tacit gull]

They're so fucking bad and awkward

Especially when nobody anwsers back lmao

[hexed escarp]

my squad literally pushed me into a corner on cherryessa and acted like i was the problem 💔

[shadow ether]

"That's why I don't let my kids go to shows."

[hexed escarp]

what is this dialogue from

[shadow ether]

Swat 4 club shootout ||massacre||

[hexed escarp]

OH

[shadow ether]

The response was, "what, and miss all this fun?"

[tacit gull]

SWAT 4's dialogue had that charisma that RoN lacks

[fleet minnow]

And the team has their own personality.

[tacit gull]

I dont mean the team, i just mean ALL of the dialogue

[shadow ether]

Their voicelines did, at least

[tacit gull]

All spoken lines in SWAT 4 are just kind of better, they're memorable too

[shadow ether]

"Where were you guys when they were blowing up the FUCKING BUILDING?!"

[hexed escarp]

sounds about right, i cant remember any ready or not dialogue 😔

[tacit gull]

I remember that crackhead in the arcade that would always surrender and try to flush his drugs down the toilet

"Ay ay ay, it's not even mine, i look like i'm lyin'?"

And he would just go on and on it was so fucking funny

Most dialogue in ron is people faking deep voices and just sounding like shit

[shadow ether]

Surprisingly, HVT suspects DO have unique lines in RoN, just that for some reason I can't remember any of them that well

[hexed escarp]

ready or not dialogue is just very generic i think, nothing special about it

[shadow ether]

One thing I do remember is Voll asking to leave his daughter out of this, and offering Judge a new car

[tacit gull]

It is, if Zack is directing the voices then i'm sorry man but this just aint it

[hexed escarp]

im pretty sure elaine and the other HVT girl on cherryessa have some special dialogue but i dont remember any of it tbh

[tacit gull]

still love you tho 😘

[shadow ether]

I feel like those lines are alright
Just that I don't listen to them as much as I did in SWAT 4 because there's more things on my mind right now

[tacit gull]

That one TOC line that everyone likes to meme is from swat 4 and i feel like .1% of people have actually heard it in game

[shadow ether]

Which one?

[tacit gull]

Since it only happens in a very specific scenario in the PVP

[shadow ether]

There's a meme TOC line?

[tacit gull]

The one that goes "TOC to entry team, you guys are a disgrace, head back to HQ, NOW"

[shadow ether]

Huh, I actually never heard it in either game

[hexed escarp]

i thought that plays sometimes on the campaign levels if you get a really low score? or something similar not sure

[tacit gull]

Nope, that only happens if you kill the VIP in PVP

[hexed escarp]

ah, okay

[shadow ether]

I thought the meme line from SWAT 4 would be "suspects must be high, they are killing each other"

[tiny perch]

Hello, I want to play with a friend but he won't let us, can someone help us?

[tacit gull]

"Tell the bomb squad they missed all the fun"

[shadow ether]

What do you mean he won't let you? Your friend doesn't want to play with you?

[tacit gull]

eman using his power for chaotic good

[shadow ether]

Is there a project anywhere to remake SWAT 3 maps into RoN?

[tiny perch]

You have been kicked: Pak chelsum mismath (server requires you to be running the same mods)

[tacit gull]

No

[tiny perch]

That comes out

[covert aurora]

Disable server side check sum

[shadow ether]

Your friend has mods you don't, ask them for the mod files

[tacit gull]

Though i think the bank map would be pretty cool

The problem with SWAT 3's maps is that they were insanely claustrophobic

[tiny perch]

No, he does not have mods installed

[shadow ether]

Blast! They'd be really cool to revisit. There was a whole bunch of really cool maps.

[shadow ether]

Do you have mods installed?

[tacit gull]

I really just kind of wish SWAT 3 wasnt a pain in the ass to play nowadays

[tiny perch]

Noup

[tacit gull]

Not even the GOG version fixes all the issues

[tiny perch]

He plugs it in but then takes it out, appearing in the lobby for a second.

[shadow ether]

Huh, I don't remember that

[tacit gull]

Hallways were super tight, you were going in through vents, through super enclosed houses

You had some open levels but they were rare (for good reason)

[river tide]

just go to your settings and turn checksum off

[umbral oar]

finally got my sea legs

[open crater]

does anyone know how to s rank elephant???

ive been at since two and cant do it

[frail pier]

Focus finding the 4 shooters first over civs and bomb locations. Then do bombs, then civs

[open crater]

i cant get through one side of the building and then to the other in time before they execute civs

[open crater]

oh really i've done that like 37 times

[frail pier]

Gotta be quicker. They spawn in some frequent spots.

Find them in under 3 mins

[open crater]

ive memorized all spawn locations and it seams you are unable to get all 4 in 3 mins i always get 3 or killed or some bullshit penalty like excessive force with a pepper ball gun like explain please??? they execute civs right when you get to the green wing stairs from when you enter left side like all the other people who this so easily like i'm actually about to crash out.

[frail pier]

Are you playing with AI or solo

[open crater]

ai so i get the bracelet

[frail pier]

Hell once you get a suspect compliant tell your team to restrain them (press Z when aimed at the suspect) You not restraining can be a huge time save to find more suspects.

[open crater]

i've been doing that

[placid robin]

is there not a game feature suggestion channel or something?

[open crater]

i just go and let them handle evrything else

[plush tusk]

im working on S Rank elephant rn too. had an amazing spawn of suspects only for the last guy to kick open a door and dome me when i was looking as another door

[open crater]

i need help 😭

[frail pier]

lmao... Im down I guess

[open crater]

kill me

[frail pier]

Multiplayer, Flash launcher on that map is the beans

[open crater]

i lost enjoyment like two hours ago

[tired jungle]

But why

[open crater]

i'll hop in general

[frail pier]

You don't enjoy playing the same level over and over for hours?

[open crater]

fuck no

[frail pier]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/922333546616590386

[tired jungle]

Hnggg

[thorny perch]

Are you having a stroke

[tired jungle]

Yeah

We did the hanged man achievement without cheesing it

[frail pier]

Stop then

[tired jungle]

And i don't wanna touch the fucking taser ever again

[tranquil zinc]

what is that

[thorny perch]

Port mission while only using flashbangs bash and taser

[frail pier]

Port but 1000x more annoying

[thorny perch]

I haven't done it and I dont want to

[tranquil zinc]

you wanna go through hell is what i just heard pretty much...

[tired jungle]

Yes

[thorny perch]

Steam achievement's will make anybody do the most insane thing just for that achievement

[tired jungle]

Real

I'm still missing sleeper agent

And honestly i have no clue how i'd go about doing that

I kinda don't even want to

[thorny perch]

really it's just hope they're ALL in like one room and that they don't 1 tap you

[tired jungle]

Running the game on vanilla is no longer fun without going for an achievement

I like the difficult AI mods tho

Because you don't need to ask people to play the game slow and tactically

You are forced to if you wish to survive

[frail pier]

I've theorized some routes but its really down to GOOD RNG

I haven't done it either

[tired jungle]

I hate that i have to pray for rng

Especially with the container room..

[frail pier]

hahaha same.....

Preach girl

[thorny perch]

on my 1st attempt on triad, I got like all 15 into one room, but the thing is I didn't know the badge existed so I took my time

And they didn't even hit me once

[umbral oar]

you can use ltl but dont arrest

cancel arrest so they drop their guns so u can pick them up

and they'll all run to a weapon cache

or command them to waddle over to 1 room on their knees like i did

[tranquil zinc]

hear me out

a glock19..... but with a switch

[frail pier]

And zaza

[tired jungle]

A full auto pistol sounds like a great idea for police operations where you have innocent bystanders around

[tranquil zinc]

real atleast someone agrees

[frail pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q0L_DNti-E

FPSRussia says otherwise

[stable kernel]

SWAT AI moment

[tranquil zinc]

he has a stock thats not the good way

[frail pier]

True

[tranquil zinc]

lemme draw out a picture rq

[tired jungle]

Yeah, hold with one hand, sideways ofc

[frail pier]

We need mod for this

Gonna make vids titled "Pullin up on the OPs at park homes"

[tired jungle]

"okay i'm complying, just go easy alri-" BRRRRRRRT

[tranquil zinc]

what channel do i send my beautiful drawing in?

[tired jungle]

Ron media if it's about ron

[tranquil zinc]

sent it

[stray briar]

Has anyone noticed the ai cops that arent apart of your team grabbing suspects and taking them to a boat before ? On hide and seek

[upbeat shore]

The trailer boys

[sinful talon]

I haven't no

Bro the Dark Waters dlc i going to be so difficult to clear for an S tier run 🤧🤧

[thorny perch]

Those are trailers

[mellow shard]

does anyone have any tips for Elephant. I can't get past E Rank.

[chrome tartan]

Is there any way to purchase supporter edition after you've already bought the game??? <@&925148041126760529> Apologies for the mention...

[stable kernel]

Don't ping the mod team for non mod matters

[gaunt gale]

Please don't tag the team for that

-but, no there is not.

[chrome tartan]

Sorry Eman

[gaunt gale]

We removed the Supporter Edition from purcahse when we went into 1.0 last year

[chrome tartan]

Thanks for confirming

[umbral oar]

void must add boat loading screen to port

[humble mauve]

they drive the bearcat across the port to get there

the boat is just a red herring

[boreal fossil]

ok -30 for friendly fire from a flashbang is crazy (everyone has anti-flash goggles on)

meanwhile the AI throwing grenades always get me 😭

again bruh

i just want S rank man

[red rose]

does the sale go til jan 2nd?

[blissful harness]

I'm gonna try S ranking hospital.

[drifting sand]

I get that body armour helps, but suspects being entirely unaffected by multiple pistol shots seems a bit....wrong IMO.

And what's the deal with them being able to somehow instantly snap shoot at the player's limbs while hopping sideways?

[full gale]

lol I passed the 3rd task in 2 dls on A on the first attempt

[umbral oar]

watching old clips and ue4 was so smooth gawdamb

[blissful harness]

I got S rank in the hospital map, the tattoo looks kinda cool.

[potent tartan]

hey does anyone know why i don't see any command gui?

usually there's the yellow text with Z to fall in or something on the bottom, it;s gone for me

[coarse osprey]

Only mention us if it's urgent, #🤝rules🤝

[chrome tartan]

yeah i got it, fucks sake

[tacit gull]

Do you have AI with you?

[potent tartan]

Yea it's quick play

When use the mmb menu everything works, there's just no bottom text or nothin

[spring robin]

Which gun has the lowest recoil when useing full auto?

[fiery narwhal]

which assault rifle provides the best shooting experience

[tacit gull]

the one you like

[fiery narwhal]

that could be one

[steep ridge]

s tiering brisa wasnt really that hard for me

i just shot them in the leg with beanbag and then yelled

[blissful harness]

To be honest, most feels alike but with a sense of style on its own, it's hard to explain. But I think most weapons are comfortable to shoot with.

[stone bay]

ides of march is so hard for me bruvvv
its hard arresting 3
and the traps and suspects aim is very unrealistic
i cant use mods bc im doing story
and my game is loading very slow, i need to wait 9 mins to restart a mission

[lost inlet]

yes you can

since when mods actually affects game achievements?

[bitter mason]

Only thing mods do is tell you your score is “unofficial” but that changes nothing.

And if you can id recommend putting the game on an ssd for faster load times or try using dx11 rather than dx12

[desert plaza]

what is the mod called where the voices are changed to swat voices

[tacit gull]

what voices

[lost inlet]

i assume it's SWAT 4's voices

[stone bay]

If i use mods it tells me mod detected and sum

Unnoficial score

[lost inlet]

and?

[stone bay]

So it works!?

I was strugullin so much with these

Without mods this game is so boring ngl

[covert aurora]

that unoffical score part you can ignore its just text

[stone bay]

Thxx man

[covert aurora]

np!

[blissful harness]

I don't know, I've enjoyed the game for 470 hours, presumely only 70 hours with mods.

And most of them are only aesthetics.

[covert aurora]

i enjoy the game without mods

i play modded

but yeah fun either way

[stone bay]

I have 17 hours

But im getting annoyed cuz i dint have the best pc, ron js barely runnin and i cant aim and shoot very good, and i need ai enhancement

To be more realistic, dont aim like king von💀

[cursive minnow]

The fair majority of my 1800+ hours of gameplay has been modded.

[stone bay]

cold

cast, if u dont mind, can u tell me sum must have mods, like mods who improve gameplay by a lot?

that work after dark water dlc

[cursive minnow]

I could but what mods “improve gameplay” is really subjective to the individual as people tend to want to play the game in different ways than others.

[stone bay]

like i need weapons, ai enhance anything

what u use mainly

i have 2 more friends, that we playin ghost recon breakpoint, very tactical, but not as cool as ron, they will buy the game next week for Christmas, and we were roleplayin type shi, and i want that in ron too

so like lapd uniforms, a good rifle, idk

im sad camera unlocker is not workin anymore

[cursive minnow]

Works fine for me

[stone bay]

bruh

what camera unlocker u use?

[cursive minnow]

Same one as everyone else

[stone bay]

i cant send screen shots

it says last update 26 august

[cursive minnow]

Still works

[stone bay]

oh thx

so what mods do u use?

do u know an unlock all that is still workin?

[cursive minnow]

I'll send some over to your DMs I have over 130 mods installed so I ain't sending all of them a good chunk of that is purely cosmetic though.

[inner river]

When are stingers better than flashbangs and when the other way around?

[tired jungle]

I'm pretty sure stingers have a larger AOE but with flashbangs you can reduce friendly fire with the goggles

[jolly verge]

Stinger has a bit more radius (+2m), but deal good amount of damage that can kill you or incap civi/suspect

[jolly verge]

Goggles dont protect from flashbangs damage, but they supposed to do it actually

[blissful harness]

I don't understand why people have to add "Insert age here"+ LOOKING FOR MATURE PLAYER ONLY in their LFG messages.

That doesn't guarantee them any capable players but make them look desperate and unwelcoming imo.

[covert aurora]

@blissful harness people are people

[warm lava]

!roadmap

[covert aurora]

what's this.... roadmap you speak of?

[tiny quail]

I DID IT

I S RANKED ELEPHANT

[covert aurora]

way to go!

[covert fern]

RoN Reviews have been Skyrocketed with Positive Reviews

[tired jungle]

but they protect you from the disorienting effect tho right

[jolly verge]

Yeap, but only this, speed penalty and damage still apply for you

[tiny quail]

wait is neon tomb an active shooter mission? i was thinking of trying to s rank it but due to the severe amount of days spent alone trying to s rank elephant im afraid

[jolly verge]

Nope, just usual barricaded

[tired jungle]

i have never actually seen terrorists take a hostage

they are more likely to execute themselves than the civis

[thorny badge]

with mods it can make them take hostages

i think its w gun fighter but not 100%

[tired jungle]

gunfighter isn't an AI mod

[thorny badge]

idk what it is then

theres a mod ihave that makes them take hostages

[tiny quail]

relapse is a million times better for me to manage than elephant, aside from the obvious lack of immediate terminator mode on the suspects, the bomb timer being longer and the not randomized areas of the bombs makes it easier

or idk i just suck

[tired jungle]

the bombs in elephant are on an actual timer?

[blissful harness]

They always are.

[tired jungle]

relapse is like 25 minutes and that is generous as fuck

[tiny quail]

yea, something 13 mins, relapse is 30-ish according to people

[tired jungle]

thats' kinda crazy, i've never seen them go off

[tiny quail]

Yeah toc just passive aggresively says smth "entry team hurry up" as the timer countdowns like he's some omnipotent being that knows when the bomb goes off

[covert aurora]

also, morning Idie 🙂

[blissful harness]

The entire map literally took me 22 minutes only to S rank it. And when you S rank it, it usually means taking everything slow.

[tired jungle]

heya

[tranquil zinc]

[blissful harness]

And you disable two bombs half way through the map, so it's around 8 to 10 minutes when you defuse the bombs.

[tired jungle]

i guess if you really wanted to tryhard it like an actual actual swat team, you might have to mind the timer but.. in normal play no

[tiny quail]

i always prioritize defusing it first, gives me that peace of mind that i don't need to run across the map 20 minutes later because i didn't defuse it earlier

[tired jungle]

you still have to run across the map 20 minuets later because you missed a civi hiding behind a door in a dark corner while clipping half of their body into the wall

[tiny quail]

[tranquil zinc]

[tiny quail]

reminds me of that time when im on my s rank valley run, after clearing all suspects i ran across the house 2 times to find that one last civ, turns out she was hiding in the garden part corner of the map

[blissful harness]

I always play tactically, but I never need to mind the timer.

Just that sometimes I do the rapid room clearing or rush to the death method.

Well, I only do rush to the death method when it comes to Elephant.

[subtle tapir]

im stuck in the mission 'the valley of dolls', i can't find anymore suspects nor civilians but still not completed either objective. Am I missing some location? I have checked the 3 floors in the house and the poolside party area as well as the back shed.

[jolly verge]

There also a basement

[subtle tapir]

damn bruh

lemme find the way to it

[blissful harness]

I was discussing with my friend one day that, if we can set up the molles with the props (ex. mag pouches, radio, tourniquets, patches, etc) in the places we want, we'd have more variety in gears.

[subtle tapir]

thanks, completed the mission (albeit on B since I killed the main suspect)

[blissful harness]

The plate carriers and the belts are more detailed than Ground Branch, but we can only select the variety we've been provided.

[stone bay]

i need help with greased palms mission, im gettin stuck on a part where i cant find any continue to the mission

idk how to say this

[blissful harness]

I want to help you, but you gotta find a way to explain the difficulty you're facing.

[raven schooner]

is there something bugged with ROE this update? Ive now seen multiple instances of myself or other people getting unauthorized use of force for shooting suspects that are actively pointing a gun/shooting at the player

[stone bay]

like

[blissful harness]

I think it's a pretty common occurrence for players from across the community for some reasons, though me myself only experienced once, and I think that was over a year ago. I never encountered any unauthorized use of fire after that.

[stone bay]

i get in that deposit thinghy and after i kill that guys and rescue civs, idk where to go, i tried goin outside but nothing

like i am blocked there

[tired jungle]

i see that as an absolute win

[stone bay]

i cant get on the other part of deposit

[raven schooner]

I think this recent patch mightve messed something up because the last few days its been happening constantly to me and my friends, and I just saw a clip from a YT video that shows a really blatant example of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o12yCK4uIaM go to 16:18 and watch from there

unauthorized force for shooting a suspect aiming right at him after shooting his teammate

[brittle swan]

who else suffering for sleeper achievment here fr

[blissful harness]

Never encountered it, but yeah, it's actually strange.

Normally that wouldn't count as a violation to ROE. I'm pretty familiar with the ROE in-game already, so I know.

[stone bay]

@blissful harness

[blissful harness]

Yeah, I don't know how to help you.

[jolly verge]

By shooting civi, not suspect, he did not hit his first 2 shot and penetrate civi, who spawn in bathroom right behind this suspect. Look closely on civi's leg on 18:16, she was in that bath
#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[blissful harness]

Oh, yeah, this can happen.

[stone bay]

more detailed

i cant find maria lopez

[blissful harness]

Somewhere inside the delivery line machinery, I think?

Fucking public session is a disappointment...

I got shot to death by my own who mag dumped me for whatever reason.

[cursive minnow]

Yea I wouldn't expect anything from a public session in any game.

[stone bay]

...

my english not englishing, i dont understand cuz im dum

=))))

[blissful harness]

The thing where the boxes are being delivered with, the machine that sends them forward in line.

Might be in that area.

[stone bay]

ohh ok, thx for explain

[blissful harness]

Well, active shooter from your teammate is the worse case scenario. Most of the time it's just confusing moving pattern, lack of trigger discipline, lack of target distinguishing ability, and the lack of teamwork.

They often move into my line of fire when I'm holding security or engaging in gunfights.

[stone bay]

she wasnt there

but thx anyway, i finished mission

[high spindle]

I hope the next big content update is a free 1 map that is more central to the main story that would focus more on the MLO or Judge's background

Love the past 2 dlcs but they feel more like filler and the price tag might have kept some people away if the don;t have friend who has it

[quaint raptor]

i could have sworn the last patch made civs find you when you had brought order to chaos and yet here i am once again desperately trying to find this non existance civillian

[blissful harness]

I can say the price tag certainly didn't let me shy away. It's fairly priced. But I do agree on some more maps connected to the main story.

[high spindle]

I feel that its inconsistent, it has happened to me but it's more of a suprise than a consistent feautre

[quaint raptor]

right, i just foudn the dude. he was in a room behind a closed, but unlocked door.

[blissful harness]

But I don't know what kinda map would fit in Judge's backstory.

[high spindle]

Defintely i feel that 10 bucks was worth the content but its hard to compete with free modded maps or free games

[inner river]

can you tell police AI to clear a room with shield at front?

[round locust]

I just finished the hide and seek level, I'm curious why FISA got involved at the end? Idk much about the lore but it seems like FISA is corrupt for making that decision.

[bitter mason]

Shield should always automatically take point but the other officers don't really stick behind them or anything

[blissful harness]

So I was playing a nightclub mission with two other randoms.

They pretty much annoyed me with the gas grenades they kept throwing because I didn't bring any mask.

So I just split up and went solo, went 2nd floor, and cleared out almost the entire area myself.

[worthy scarab]

Is anyone having the issue of suspects rushing towards all your swat team with no sense? dunno if that's because of a mod or a base game issue, it breaks the immersion

[lost inlet]

they think they can call of duty their way out as usual

[full minnow]

That sergeant Walsh guy needs to stop procrastinating and call that 4342 extension, lmao

[stone bay]

ong bruv i searched 1 hour diddy's laptop in that party =)))))))

[bleak mural]

just bought home invasion dlc and it wont let me install

cant send a screenshot in chat but I am in dlc tab of ready or not and I have the dlc checked off but I don't see an install button

and when I go to the dlc in the store it acts as if i dont own it

[jolly verge]

You dont need install dlc, it's come with base game

[bleak mural]

🤦‍♂️

thanks

[peak elk]

Sleeper Agent with 4 players guns blazing. Doable?

[desert plaza]

You know when you characther shouts police or LSPD i have seen youtube videos where they changed to shouting SWAT and stuff how do i change that?

[bitter mason]

they definitely do that at times, the final suspect will always do this also

[winter pendant]

Voice mods. You replace the game's sound files.

Check nexus

[long elbow]

why wont my teammates fall in or anything? did my buddies bug or are they anxious??

[winter pendant]

Bug

[long elbow]

awh

[winter pendant]

They could be stuck on geometry, or there could be a faking dead body nearby

They have this bug where they won't move on if there's a faking dead body in the room.

You'd have to go look at them to see what's up

[long elbow]

oh

it wasnt tho i just spawned in, started going to the house and they bugged outside

[jolly tiger]

When they gonna add balaclavas to the main single player mode

Like why have it in multiplayer and not in single player just makes 0 sense

[umbral oar]

bc you can't see yourself

[jolly tiger]

Not the point because I can see my AI teammates

Is there any plans to add this in?

[silent vault]

How beefy should your computer be to run this game smoothly?

[fleet ermine]

its easier to do non lethal
#💬general-discussion message

[silent vault]

The mininuim requirements don't seem harsh at all but I want to ensure my game will actually run decently.

[fleet ermine]

post ur specs then

probably not hitting the 15 second time share

[silent vault]

CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-11500
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 super

I don't know how to find the rest :^

Soooo..

Would that be good?

[inner river]

how do you mute yourself in game?

[neat wolf]

why would you need to? the game is push to talk.

[inner river]

oh right, I can just unbind push to talk key

[hidden rapids]

what are the rules for the lfg

[amber dock]

The rules that you agree to when entering this server

#🤝rules🤝

[frail pier]

Rules are just suggestions

[amber dock]

so real

Take that Kam🤓

[unreal canopy]

How can I carry more than 11 slots

[round locust]

idk if It's just me but does anyone else have trouble aiming in this game? or is that a skill issue?

[honest kettle]

Hey what's a decent gun for the Nerve mission? I am running a shotgun atm

[honest kettle]

That's me too

[lost inlet]

Use light vest

[bitter mason]

light armour gives you 13

all heavy armour really does is give you plates on your sides so its not a super big advantage

[unreal canopy]

Thank u.
Aiming is probably a you issue tbh, I don't find it different but the AI is pretty brutal, they can hit u around walls and such if they penetrate

Thank u, I've only ever used the heavy so I'm not sure

[bitter mason]

using the optiwand and grenades frequently is a must a lot of the time

[lost inlet]

Any gun is good since the enemies doesn’t wears any body armor

[bitter mason]

if you dont want to be swiss cheese at the end of a level

[bitter mason]

any gun with JHP ammo really

[split citrus]

Mirage at Sea is one of my least favorite maps so far. Only way to play that map is to rush in with nothing but Shields since you have zero time to plan each room clear with the civies getting shot. Gameplay isn't really designed for a mission like that.... at all.

[bitter mason]

I agree the gimmick of that map sucks
but you can prevent it from happening if you can arrest the arabian fella before active shooting starts

[delicate vapor]

so beanbag shotgun can kill? done a gas station morale run like 6 hours ago shot the last guy with shotgun and bro got down on floor bled everywhere and screamed

[bitter mason]

if you shoot someone in the head with them yes it will kill

[delicate vapor]

oof

[bitter mason]

they are called "less-lethal" for a reason

[chrome tartan]

Is there any way to get the supporter edition BCM?

[bitter mason]

only way to get it is by getting supporter edition, but you cant buy it officially anymore. Only chance would be a steam key but the price will be a bit much if you do find one

otherwise there may be a mod to add one to the game

[split citrus]

Thats a big ask unless the placement of the prime suspect is scripted. Its not a well thought out mission at all. It might be different if the gameplay allowed you to split the team's and coordinate room clearing via a camera like in Swat 4. This game neither has that, nor "high ground" even.

[chrome tartan]

Yeah. I figured. thanks

[bitter mason]

yeah lol
I've found him mostly in the centre room of the middle floor. Though I've seen him in the engine room at the very bottom of the ship too. Theres a few places he can spawn so it really is just getting good rng

that being said I've had him give the murder civs order as I was getting compliance from him with no other suspects around. He doesnt even have a voice line of giving the order. It feels like a very tacked on gimmick and not very well thought out

[quasi otter]

Is there any way to get the items from the supporter edition even though you can't buy it anymore?

[prime wing]

nope

they are mostly reskins of other base items

overall worse versions

[quasi otter]

I just thought the gas mask looked cool, but I got the answer I was expecting anyway

[prime wing]

there are modded equivalents, but some may be outdated

[quasi otter]

I found a mod that adds an M50 gas masks which is pretty cool and one that added coloured lenses to the base game one's whic his where I saw the supporter mask in one of the pictures but those mods are pretty good just too bad the lense colour only applies to the vanilla masks

[plush tusk]

I like the SF10 mask that you get for completing every mission

Also, finally S Ranked Elephant. May have emotionally scarred half my department along the way, however.

[remote valley]

anyone else have issues when trying to S rank Twisted Nerve, that evidence that people drop just disappears? Had numerous runs now with people dropping guns and they just disappear nowhere

[copper silo]

bro why did i die to a flashbang

flashed myself then died

[twin citrus]

recently ive found that guns can go into the floor more often

its visible if you turn on weapon highlights

the ai can usually pick it up though

[remote valley]

we have weapon highlights enabled, but still disappear

[twin citrus]

yea idk then

flung or fell through the map

[dawn jackal]

the children are literally turned into goo in barrels dead in the basement. Jesse What the fuck are you talking about
also even if that was true, no they can't necessarily, this completely fucks some people irreparably up, forever. And even if they do recover in a relative sense they are distinctly changed because of it. It's something they always have to live with.
Also bold to assume we let the terrorists live.

[frail pier]

Bold of you to assume I don't shoot anyone and everyone because I can

[prime wing]

theres nothing stopping players from doing it, other than, objectives or roe

[frail pier]

RoN should go the Zero Hour route

Shoot a civ on school? Mission over (you lose)

[hexed escarp]

i wish i could shoot civilians without consequences sometimes

all these civs pissing me off bro "what're you gonna do, shoot me?" in commander mode

like yeah i would... idgaf

[frail pier]

I love beanbagging non compliant civs

[copper silo]

our objective isn't to make widows and orphans, but to bring order to chaos 🖕🖕

frickin noobs man

[hexed escarp]

maybe some people deserve to be widowed / orphaned idk jro...

they should've thought about their wife and children before they shot at me or bitched at me

[copper silo]

CIVILLIANS???

[hexed escarp]

yes

[frail pier]

They pulled a gun (IPhone with the gun app)

I was in fear for my life

[copper silo]

evil null!!: i will consider that the civilians may in shock

[hexed escarp]

everytime i get phoned i just bash them with my rifle and cuff them

they might catch me in 4k but idc bro 🙏 im throwing hands

[hexed escarp]

they can do that and be quiet on the floor or something im in a killing mindset rn

[copper silo]

KILLING MINDSET

you on the wrong team

[frail pier]

Sounds like the right team to me

I didn't bring a gun to not use it

[hexed escarp]

put me in FISA then coach idk 😭

women, children, i'll kill them all i dont care

[copper silo]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ why so evil

[hexed escarp]

because these NPCs are on my NERVES bro...

i gotta run some of these levels like 2-4 times until i pass them and each time all these civvies do is whine and complain 🙏

[frail pier]

Or just straight up don't listen.
Dudes will just stand and casually walk around a fucking firefight

[copper silo]

twisted.....nerve!??!!

guys...tell them to get to the exit

i think a recent update messed up the civilian morale tho 🤔 these guys are more resilient than a spy being interrogated

[hexed escarp]

the AI is especially weird when being gassed

[frail pier]

Void fucked it up worse than it already was. It was usable and good to use. Now they don't get restrained or get bugged out and won't comply

[hexed escarp]

like they'll just be in a state of coughing out their lungs forever and i have to shoot them in the back to cuff them

[frail pier]

Yeah it's a giant fucking mess now

[copper silo]

just use stingers guys 🤦‍♂️...!?!?

[frail pier]

Dog that doesn't fix the fucking problem

[copper silo]

yes but it'll do until it's fixed

[frail pier]

This wasn't an issue till the recent update

Just don't run gas at that point or any throwables.

[copper silo]

pepper spray

[frail pier]

I'll just stick to beanbag and flash launcher

[red rose]

these fucking traps

they got all my officers kia

[frail pier]

Deez fucking nuts

[hexed escarp]

live mirror gun reaction:

[red rose]

understood

[hexed escarp]

stingers r so annoying to use i always hit myself with them 😔

[crude tinsel]

hey whats the difference between the "continue" and singleplayer?? cuz i made my loadout and stuff in single player and when i clicked the "continue" i had to make it again

[hexed escarp]

"continue" automatically sends you to commander mode (campaign) i believe

[cursive minnow]

I recommend you save it as a preset so you don’t have to remake it.

[crude tinsel]

oh cuz i did quick play not commander mode im so stupid

[hexed escarp]

lol all good

[cursive minnow]

Yea they don’t share loadout

[crude tinsel]

whats the difference between the 2?

[amber dock]

commander mode has mental health system and roster system and 1 cosmetic and 2 achivements locked behind it. Quick play is without all the systems

[crude tinsel]

So which is better

[hexed escarp]

quick play is much much better

the morale system gets so annoying after the first like 5 missions

[crude tinsel]

Does quick play share with multiplayer?

[amber dock]

Quick play cause it's less of a headache, commander mode is only needed if you want the achivements and cosmetic

[hexed escarp]

in what way

[hexed escarp]

u cant get the achievements from quick play??

[crude tinsel]

Loadouts

[hexed escarp]

all of the dif game modes dont share loadouts i think

[amber dock]

2 achivements are locked behind commander mode cause it says you need to play commander mode lol

[crude tinsel]

And I’m guessing that you can’t get different helmets in quick play

[amber dock]

everything is shared between modes, loadouts,cosmetics,scores,times etc

[crude tinsel]

Strange when I made my load out in quick play didn’t save in commsnder mode but most importantly is csn you grt cosmetics like diff helmets in quick play?

[amber dock]

No mode has cosmetics locked behind one or another

[honest kettle]

What’s the best way to get through Ides of March

[amber dock]

wedges all around the outer rooms and clear middle first with lots of CS gas and then take rooms one by one

[honest kettle]

I’m currently running P90 and G19

[hexed escarp]

me personally i clear all the outer rooms with gas and THEN go middle

[amber dock]

Gun doesn't really matterrrr as long as you're hitting enough shots, the hard part is just the traps and aggressive dudes

[honest kettle]

This is my set up rn

[honest kettle]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[hexed escarp]

bring lots of gas, enough for every room

[amber dock]

You playing with the bots?

[honest kettle]

Aye

[hexed escarp]

the other grenades kinda suck but gas is busted (if you use gas mask ofc)

[amber dock]

use them alot to use grenades and use them as shield

human shields

[honest kettle]

Aight lemme give this a try

[vestal swan]

can you set the AI to not shoot for non lethal

im trying to s rank the meth house and they keep lethally killing people even though i set them all to beanbag shotguns and gas

[hexed escarp]

get rid of their sidearm ammo / give them pepperball rifles so they dont hit headshots with the beanbags

[amber dock]

Beanbag has risk of killing someone if they hit head, use pepperball guns instead

[hexed escarp]

yea

[amber dock]

And take away pistol ammo like null said

[vestal swan]

ok will do

lets see how this goes

[tired jungle]

Pretty low chance for the friendly AI to hit a headshot with the beanbag but

Yeahhhhh, i guess better safe than sorry

[hexed escarp]

"you might wanna change careers, oh i know, how about a handcuff model?" i want my squadmates DEAD 🙏

why did he say that 😭

[vestal swan]

THESE AI OH MY GOD

i say to search a room they search half of it and theres a suspect with a knife in the other half that they just completely ignore

[shrewd bluff]

You know how low ready is effectively sprinting in this game?

is there a way to make it so when i activate low ready that i stop leaning?

I play siege alot and when you sprint it unleans you so i keep trying to go low ready but since im still leaning im super slow, I just cant get the muscle memory our

[peak elk]

Ty

[hexed escarp]

does dorms have any soft objectives

all the AI are dead/arrested but its not auto completing the mission

[tired jungle]

Drugs

[hexed escarp]

in what room?

[amber dock]

uhhh set lean to hold instead of toggle

[restive ferry]

It’s on second floor at end of the hall I think in a room

[tired jungle]

At the end of the 2nd floor

[hexed escarp]

okay gotcha

[tired jungle]

You got like, a stand

Go upto the stand. The drugs are there

[frail pier]

You have to smoke the bong

[quasi gate]

Does anyone else think the AI are playing weird after 12/18/24?

[amber dock]

Ai always gets broken in some way with every update

[quasi gate]

well the 12/17/24 update was nice, but then they haphazardly released some other update with no details on 12/18/24, which appears to have broken behaviors with my AI mods

and when testing their base game it's worse than before the 12/17/24 update

so clearly they did something and I'm trying to figure out what was changed

I don't know why someone would want to play AI that are brainless shooters. The AI need a simulated brain. It's what gives the AI life and character in a game

and something they updated is messing with that brain, so I hope they figure it out if I cannot

[vestal swan]

just s ranked meth house

[restive ferry]

Now S rank postal

[hexed escarp]

the horror...

[vestal swan]

bet

whats your steam name

[humble coral]

im going to shit my entire ass

[restive ferry]

Won’t be on my PC for 4 days 😭

[vestal swan]

sure sure...

ill be contacting you on day 5 then

better be ready for the postal run

[restive ferry]

Okay bet

[astral warren]

You didn't S rank postal.

[astral warren]

I am curious about how the AI acts "funny". I am simply not willing to play the game until VOID fixes the damage cap.

[restive ferry]

I did a S rank Ironman run when 1.0 launched

[astral warren]

Yeah, and my dad can beat up your dad!

[restive ferry]

😭

[astral warren]

my dad works at nintendo

[restive ferry]

That’s the only achievement I got 😭

[shrewd oriole]

Game still in shambles?

[astral warren]

Positively. Player is still receiving double damage, 7.62x39 is still shitty .300blk and 10mm is still shitty .45ACP, and apparently, from second hand sources, since I refuse to play the game until VOID fixes the damage cap, the AI is still dumb, both SWAT and suspects.

just release more dlc™️

[shrewd oriole]

Great, I wouldn't expect anything else form VOID interactive

[astral warren]

Surely releasing more DLC will fix the problem, right?

[shrewd oriole]

Surely.

[astral warren]

Not addressing the basic math error that causes the player to receive double damage, that VOID still has not acknowledged anywhere so far as I understand.

[restive ferry]

7.62 guns kill in 1-2 shots

[shrewd oriole]

DId we even get an update between DLC 1 and DLC 2? (other than the patches)

[astral warren]

7.62 by what guns??? There's 7.62x39 and 7.62x51

[astral warren]

no

[shrewd oriole]

Cool, because I just got the new DLC and the game is still in freefall. Honestly quite incredible.

[restive ferry]

Ion know. SA-58, GA53 and the G3a3 all shit on the AI

[covert aurora]

Interms of like 1.1 no post dlc hotfixes sure

[shrewd oriole]

Its not looking good RoN bros....

[astral warren]

It's not ready, and never will be. VOID has demonstrated they give exactly 0 shits repeatedly.

[covert aurora]

Things seem fine to me shrug

[restive ferry]

AI could be a little harder

[humble coral]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
HOLY SHIT IM FINALLY FUCKING DONE

[astral warren]

Your SWAT AI blocking you in a doorway and getting you killed compensates for the suspect's poor aim.

[shrewd oriole]

After I literally couldn't play the game because I would crash every 0.4 seconds (after I bought the fuckin home invasion DLC) I really couldn't say this game is in a good state.

[restive ferry]

Real

[hexed escarp]

"AI could be a little harder" im getting repeatedly instant headshot but okay 💔

[restive ferry]

I never get insta headshotted

[hexed escarp]

my only issue with the game rn is ai accuracy, its just insane to me how quick they can aim and hit vitals sometimes

otherwise everything else is fine/good

[shrewd oriole]

As we all know, every copy of RoN is personalized.

[restive ferry]

They just shouldn’t be so accurate from long distance

[astral warren]

VOID won't acknowledge a gameplay altering bug that causes the player to receive double the intended damage, even their jannies refuse to acknowledge what I say, and insist the game feels perfectly fine. Why would they acknowledge a performance issue that impacts a minority of the playerbase?

[humble coral]

dude how the fuck are you even supposed to s rank this shit lmao

[restive ferry]

What map

[astral warren]

by receiving the intended amount of damage

[humble coral]

greased palm

[astral warren]

you don't

[restive ferry]

That’s postal right

That shit took me like 15 hours when the AI used to be cracked

[hexed escarp]

play for 1000 more hours and then you'll have the knowledge you need to S rank greased palms

[astral warren]

you s rank greased palms by installing a mod to lobotomize the suspects

[hexed escarp]

that too

[shrewd oriole]

The game isn't looking in the best state, but who knows I haven't gotten to play it yet (Because my game kept crashing on start up, so I have to play on safe mode.)

[astral warren]

or doing this but quite frankly the game isn't worth the effort

[humble coral]

i just finished it after like an hour of dying and then alt f4ing because i hate the system since 1.0

[restive ferry]

You can either clear the outside first or you can attack that main room first until you can clear it without losing anyone

[hexed escarp]

every mission except for greased palms is worth palying i think

[humble coral]

real

[astral warren]

You hate the game since 1.0 because 1.0 was the last time the player took the intended amount of damage. Now you receive roughly double what is intended because VOID put a math operation out of order.

[restive ferry]

Postal worst map fr

[restive ferry]

Maybe you’re just bad bruh

[hexed escarp]

is player damage even that bad??? i've survived a lot of hits in commander mode without having any nutrionist perks on my squad

its just headshots that do me in

[astral warren]

did you have armourer + ceramic?

[restive ferry]

Just finished another Ironman run a few days ago. Only restarted once from being lazy or brisa cove

[humble coral]

no i mean the whole 'erm actually you can fail missions and it'll impact your team if you die' even though if you fail it and retry it's not even like another team going in system

[hexed escarp]

no, just heavy armor and ceramic

no armourer perk in my squad

[astral warren]

ceramic is better than steel currently, I shit you not.

Ceramic lets you survive more shots potentially than steel because of how the damage cap is broken.

[hexed escarp]

for some reason every game i play seems to have garbage steel plates 😭

[restive ferry]

I’d never use steel IRL

[humble coral]

because it is irl (fuck spall all my homies hate spall)

[hexed escarp]

doesnt steel in this game literally have a chance of sending a bullet into your chin from ricochet

[astral warren]

Yes, and in real life 10mm and .45ACP perform differently inside of a human body, so that's a non argument.

[restive ferry]

It does that IRL too lmao

[humble coral]

that's spall homie

[astral warren]

You cannot be hurt by your own steel plate being hit.

Except for the initial impact, obviously. But spall can't get you.

[humble coral]

in game or irl?

[restive ferry]

Spall can get you

[astral warren]

Gee, boss, I don't know, we're in ron-dicussion, what do you think?

[humble coral]

kinda rude

[hexed escarp]

i genuienly dont remember the last time i used steel so 🤷‍♂️

[astral warren]

Spall from your own steel plate CANNOT hurt the wearer of it.

[restive ferry]

V1 still trying to pass gas station with a D+ score

[humble coral]

[hexed escarp]

he got stuck on greased palms

[restive ferry]

“The double damage is crazy”

[astral warren]

Greased palms is easy unless you want a S.

[hexed escarp]

thats just not true mostly

[astral warren]

After they fixed the AI seeing through the micrometer gaps for most cover, it got much more tolerable.

[hexed escarp]

most runs i come out with my entire body red and like half the objectives failed 😭

[astral warren]

I would rather do greased palms than any of the new DLC maps, because the new DLC maps run like ass.

[hexed escarp]

they're running fine for me wtf are u playign on??

[shrewd oriole]

I had to get AI lobotomy mods so I didn't go and commit a hanous crime for my S on most of the maps. I did like, 3 quarters reguarly (it took days)

[hexed escarp]

well i only tried the boat one so far but

[astral warren]

Silence, VOID shill, I do not care how much they have paid you, you can stop pretending my hardware is hilariously out of spec, and it's not an optimization problem.

[hexed escarp]

im broke dude i wish void paid me 💔

[restive ferry]

.

[astral warren]

your name is null and I'm supposed to believe you aren't associated with void???

[hexed escarp]

yes

[stable kernel]

Quality meme

[astral warren]

what kind of idiot do you take me for?

[shadow ether]

Since the new DLC dropped Elephant got harder for me, we just can't seem to be able to rush the map quickly enough to avoid them shooting a civ

[shrewd oriole]

Every copy of RoN is personalized.

[astral warren]

@hexed escarp naughty naughty!!! the gestapo bot doesn't like that language!!!

[restive ferry]

Real

[hexed escarp]

True... i didnt even sway anything bad 😭

[hexed escarp]

i think thats always been a thing no?

LOL

[astral warren]

Oh, alright, gestapo bot is no longer sexist, my bad.

[stable kernel]

[hexed escarp]

now that i think about it, every map that involves the cartel sucks so badly

greased palms is absolutely atrocious with the current ai, the tunnel map makes me lag a bit at the end for some reason, and the ai on narcos is absolutely busted

[shadow ether]

It used to be one of the easiest maps, you just got 4 suspects and a shit ton of civs and you just had to find them and beanbag them or something
Now, these active shooters are actively shooting

[hexed escarp]

i could've sworn before dark waters dropped i had a run where like 2 civs died before i could reach them but idk

[astral warren]

Moving like you've shat yourself is probably why those kids die.

[hexed escarp]

yeah idk why we cant run still 😭

[astral warren]

Because look at my purchased assets and AI subtitles I have placed so thoughtfully in my game.

[hexed escarp]

you'd think when we're the only people protecting los suenos against terrorists, mafias, and cartels we'd know what running is

[shadow ether]

I kid you not, we rushed in, split up, ignored civs and bombs to find the shooters first, and STILL someone died 3 tries out of 3

[hexed escarp]

you were not ready i guess...

[astral warren]

If only VOID play tested the changes they made.

Too bad they squandered a whole year where they had playtesters available and did literally nothing with the game during that time and then released 1.0 and the game was not ready.

[hexed escarp]

1.0 launch was fine imo?

i might've reinstalled it a few days after the actual release idk

[shrewd oriole]

You were chilling until you said the worst statement on this discord ngl. But Every copy of RoN is personalized.

[astral warren]

"1.0 launch was fine"

[shadow ether]

That's like 2 extremes
1.0 Elephant was the easiest map because they were just barricaded suspects not much interested in civvies
Right now Elephant is them continuing to light up everyone they come across even if they spawned 5m apart

[hexed escarp]

was it genuinely that bad i dont remember

[shrewd oriole]

It was diabolical.

[astral warren]

"I don't remember." Again, your name is null, I know you're associated with VOID, just enjoy your shekels and save your breath.

[shadow ether]

1.0 before the hotfixes? oof

[hexed escarp]

diabolical how tho

[hexed escarp]

im not but i wish i was 💔

[astral warren]

No, you don't.

[shadow ether]

Suspect AI in John Wick mode having better reaction time than humanly possible, x-ray vision and perfect accuracy, for one

[shrewd oriole]

How are the new maps?

[shadow ether]

They're awesome

[shrewd oriole]

yippee, I'll play them if I don't crash like I did before.

Hopefully that got fixed.

[astral warren]

imo new dlc maps are just suspect spam

[hexed escarp]

ai honestly still feels like that sometimes 💔

[shadow ether]

Trust me, it was worse

[covert aurora]

Change logs are in #announcements if you wa t see what changed

[hexed escarp]

genuinely the russians on hide and seek will hear you and lock onto you in like half a second WHILE theres a hurricane or whatever not too far away

[astral warren]

Feels like john wick != john wick. Meth heads would shoot you in the head from 25 meters away aiming over their shoulder with a makarov using one hand while in the dark consistently. You are actually clueless, and I frankly just refuse to believe you even played 1.0

[astral warren]

But what about all of the undocumented changes VOID makes?

[hexed escarp]

I DID.... but probably after the hotfixes idk

i dont have a ledger of like every time i have played ready or not since i bought it

[shadow ether]

How does AI discern police footsteps from any other footsteps? Is it like we the players discern a genuine giving up animation from a fake one by 3 initial frames?

[restive ferry]

Does arrest canceling just not work

[covert aurora]

shrug that idk

[astral warren]

They can smell the saliva on your boots.

[astral warren]

So there basically isn't a changelog, yeah?

Just what VOID recalls changing, and recalls to mention they changed.

[covert aurora]

For dark water itself yes.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/525328778479535178

And https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/527581130405185162 and first set of hot fixes

[astral warren]

I will never understand VOID Interactive. Their reasoning simply eludes me.

[covert aurora]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Anywho

[astral warren]

releases unfinished game claiming it is finished
rush to make it feel slightly more finished
succeed in making AI reasonable but not much else
ok good enough
release DLC and break core gameplay mechanic
release another DLC, refuse to fix broken core gameplay mechanic
release hotfix for 2nd DLC, still not fixing broken core gameplay mechanic
I wonder what would have happened about that broken core gameplay mechanic if VOID just documented changes instead of writing on a piece of toilet paper with a sharpie marker what the changes are before wiping their ass with it.

[shadow ether]

I'm wondering if I should wait for hotfixes for the AI, or just hardcore to the mega and get lucky with suspect spawns

[astral warren]

Does RoN actually meet steam's new guidelines for being on their store? I'm skeptical.

[restive ferry]

The 1.0 launch had less content than early access 😭

[astral warren]

The release build still has less content than early access, imo.

[hexed escarp]

how????

[astral warren]

We have a bunch of the same functioning 7.62x51 rifles added, a new MP5, because we didn't have enough, and 10mm is still .45ACP with more recoil, as well as 7.62x39 being .300blk with more recoil.

[shadow ether]

Also, I dread to look at Neon Tomb right now because that one feels like trying to get that +500 for saving civvies is pointless to even consider doing on purpose

[restive ferry]

They removed all the extra game modes and removed maps

[hexed escarp]

i think all they havent added back is maps having extra gamemodes

[astral warren]

The guns are all too samey to ever make any difference, practically. a 5.56x45 rifle with AP is basically good.

[hexed escarp]

they added multiple other maps, guns, as well as customization though....

ur all very nitpicky over nothing sometimes i think

[covert aurora]

If it didnt it would of been pulled by now. Just saying

[restive ferry]

Removing the game modes was a huge L

[astral warren]

Releasing the game was a huge L. It simply was not ready.

[hexed escarp]

i honestly only ever played barricaded suspects so i could care less