👮ron-discussion

[prime wing]

Dab it up

[raven schooner]

damn this island mission is already one of my favorites just from the context and lore implications

"||once this is done, it never happened||" D platoon just casually doing ||a black op for the USIA|| lmao

[bitter mason]

not too fond of spec ops missions in a swat shooter, but its an ok level

[gloomy wagon]

lmao nexus went down

[gloomy wagon]

and thats why im executing people

if it's a black op ima treat it as such

[opal basin]

It’s not a wooden m14 and the 1911 is modernized a bit. Void knew what we wanted and fucked it up

Can’t they just make it so the rail only appears once you put an optic on it? So if there’s no optic it’s just a regular m14

[gloomy wagon]

i mean you can get a mod that fixes it sooner or later

[opal basin]

Tru

[tacit gull]

I honestly think the mp5sd having the rail always on is more unforgivable

[naive wedge]

they should add an island of the coast of the us iykyk

[opal basin]

For sure

[naive wedge]

make it 165 acres

[opal basin]

Just make it so guns don’t have detachable rails on them unless you put something on

Especially because the rail on the SD makes iron sights useless

[naive wedge]

cant even say the name of a country now? nice

[opal basin]

It blocks most of the sight

[naive wedge]

USVI island

[opal basin]

What country

[naive wedge]

USVI but full name

[opal basin]

United States virgil from dmc islands?

[naive wedge]

what

[opal basin]

Assuming that’s what it stands for

[naive wedge]

US Vi

[opal basin]

Huh

Yeah it stands for what I said

United States virgil islands

[naive wedge]

its an island chain in the caribean owned by the usa

[opal basin]

I know what it is

[naive wedge]

yeah and someone like amos voll could own an island there

if you know what i mean

[opal basin]

Well it wouldn’t make sense since new maps I assume have to come after the main game not in the middle, and diddy voll is arrested/killed by the time the game is over

[naive wedge]

could be one of his associates islands...

since void loves the subject they will probaly fit it in

[pearl shuttle]

Does anyone know where Sahid spawns

[opal basin]

So casual sinner?

[naive wedge]

no another one of diddy volls friends who also did some diddling

[opal basin]

It’s confirmed casual sinner is an associate of mindjot/amos voll

[naive wedge]

yeah idk who that is i dont get into the lore

[opal basin]

Server moderator here

[naive wedge]

yeah im not getting involved in that

[opal basin]

It’s a joke

That I made up like 2 months ago

[tranquil marlin]

Anyone figure out how to do "Big Shell"?

[amber dock]

If you wanna cheese it then arrest 2 and carry them far away and headshot them

[tiny quail]

on rust belt's last cavern area
multiple suspects
"C2, Stinger and Clear" alongside me throwing another stinger there
Door blows open
AI did not throw stinger and instead just sat there
Tried to make them move by the "Fall In" command
Immediately gets shot to death

this fucking game

[tranquil marlin]

I wouldn't have thought of that. Thanks!

[amber dock]

[marsh fjord]

I tried this and it didn’t work

I also feel like I should have gotten it 100 times by now.

[amber dock]

it's worked for everyone with no issues you are likley not being far enough away or not getting 2 headshots

[marsh fjord]

Well how far do you need to be? Like wtf is 30 meters in this game how do you measure that?

Cuz I know I’m getting headshots

[amber dock]

You don't but easy way to be sure is from Heli pad to left side of rig

[river tide]

bermuda would be fire but its probably too small

and its also not really in the united states

[naive wedge]

I was talking about usvi the diddlers island who committed bye bye a while ago

[river tide]

that would be a fire mission ngl

[naive wedge]

They could recreate it and not get in much trouble tbh

Who’s gonna sue them?

[river tide]

[knotty minnow]

did they get dave fennoy (the guy who voiced lee in telltales walking dead game) to voice one of the police npcs?

[fringe plover]

which map is the mlo meeting room ?

[odd sierra]

||3 Letter Triad||

[fringe plover]

thx

btw

Happy Anniversary Everyone :DDD

Ready or Not
it's been whole year

[knotty minnow]

game still aint what was shown in the trailer lol

[noble hornet]

how many civilians can i execute before i get targeted by my AI squad

[amber dock]

1-2

[vast folio]

S-ranking is fun

Especially when you can't equip these clown SWAT-teammates with beanbag shotguns because they WILL dome suspects at close range and kill them.

And if you give them pepperball guns, they act as if they had penetration

-> they spray their mags into walls, switch to secondary and use deadly force.

Best regards
Someone who realized I had not removed their secondary ammo from their loadout when they killed LAST SUSPECT with their sidearms, because they couldn't hit him with pepper due to his torso being covered by a bag of gravel.

The alternative likely scenario is that the empty their pepperball mags by shooting at walls, and then just stand in the open to be magdumped by the enemy 😄

ARGH. Demotivating.

[hazy token]

its so hard tryna S with AI, sometimes you just gotta group up

[amber dock]

HAI ZEP HAI HAI HAI

[hazy token]

i couldn't S rank importer with AI

[hazy token]

greetings

[keen stratus]

word is bond

[amber dock]

Well that is normal tbf, that map is nuts with them

[hazy token]

yeah the sightlines are too difficult and its just too long range for most less lethal. tho i will add i haven't tried since like 10 months ago or so

[amber dock]

Oh yeah when I did it at peak 1.0 it was something else..

[jaunty locust]

Did they introduce an animation for canceling grenades?

[odd sierra]

Tbh S ranking now is so much easier than when I tried at launch. With the AI actually giving you a fighting chance in terms of aim and reaction time it's a lot easier imo

[raven schooner]

does anyone know what you do with the keycard on oil rig

[true jungle]

Are tattoos not visible anymore? xD

[shy tulip]

It is a known bug with some gloves

[shy wasp]

I can't even S Rank Neon Tomb rn because of how resistant the suspects are

I was bashing and screaming at a guy to surrender for a solid minute

[true jungle]

Oh okay, thanks.

[jaunty locust]

? 😛

[shy wasp]

Wait does the AI kind've push you off them sometimes when you arrest them?

[shy tulip]

You are cancel arresting, do not move (WASD) while cuffing

[shy wasp]

Okay cool istg they look like they shoved me a bit

[shy tulip]

or arrest canceling is probably the right term

[merry meadow]

Is the new DLC worth the buy?

[shy wasp]

It's pretty good imo

[blissful harness]

I went solo in some maps I S'd because I only trust myself instead of the AIs.

[shy wasp]

The cosmetics are nice and so are the maps

[shy wasp]

That is a factual statement

[ocean lichen]

Why do civs on relapse take like 4 yells before surrendering

[jaunty locust]

wooo, nice!

[ocean lichen]

I think it changed w the update lol

[blissful harness]

Personally wouldn't go that far.
I bought it for cosmetics mostly, but most are not up to my liking due to them being old school or look impractical (like soft armor without pouches).
Of course, it's just my personal statement.

[jaunty locust]

what about grandes?

[shy wasp]

Cosmetics is the main thing with them though and weapons

So eh do as you like imo

[shy tulip]

grandes?

[blissful harness]

Weapons are free, which I like about this update.
Most weapons are up to my liking, always wanted to have more options instead of 5.56 AR rifles (Though I still prefer them).

[shy tulip]

If you mean grenades, then no

[jaunty locust]

yes, miss click

[shy wasp]

It's so nice having more options now

Especially with the G3 and GA51

It's annoying the NPC's are have higher morale rn though, it takes like 2-3 minutes for me to get ONE guy to surrender

[blissful harness]

True for me.
Though some people would argue that the developers seemed "lost" in their direction. They thought adding those weapons that are usually impractical in CQB and cosmetics that are old school isn't a thing that's well executed for this game.
This is a discussion the chat had a few days ago.

However, aside from the cosmetics, I really don't mind, as I do like the more variety for the weapons.

[shy tulip]

G3 and M14 were weapons from the PVP era that people begged to come back, these are new models and sounds of course

I believe the devs call their cosmetic set design retro modern or somethin like that

[shy wasp]

I love the H&K slap

Nothing can take that satisfaction away from me

[blissful harness]

I don't really like old gears in modern setting when the lore actually allows the character you control have access to more advanced gears.
But I can see people who wanted retro gears for their liking and with their own headcannon of why they're using it.

[halcyon fern]

I love this game so much

[true jungle]

Damn the oil rig map runs like sh*t.

[blissful harness]

Personally I'm still waiting for the hotfix for NVG and the character lines all being Judge in multiplayer.

[shy wasp]

I want to be able to S-Rank Neon Tomb without going through 12 mags of just pepper balls

[blissful harness]

I haven't really S ranked Neon Tomb yet.
Probably just don't like the tattoo it gives.

[shy wasp]

And running out of ammo on the last 3 guys

[blissful harness]

So I wouldn't bother.

[shy wasp]

I wouldn't bother until the morale problem I'm having is ig solved??

Because istg I was wailing on one of the Yemen guys and he pulled the cord on his vest

He would not surrender even after pepper balling him and bashing him

Bombers are S-Rank Solo run killers

[bronze cobalt]

I wish shooting them in the leg would help or in the hand or shoulder to prevent them from using detonator

[shy wasp]

Or let me actually punch the guy

Fists would help me get my anger out so much on the bombers

They bring me pain

Istg not even tasers get these NPC's to surrender

[bronze cobalt]

Probably gonna need an AI mod

[shy wasp]

Mhm

[opal basin]

wtf is this ROE, i knew it was scuffed but goddamn

i yell at a guy literally 20 times and he just tells me to fuck off

[loud crescent]

anyone got sleeper agent yet?

[opal basin]

then i shoot him once in the chest

obviously hes unfazed but WHY DID THAT GIVE ME AN UNAUTHORIZED FORCE WARNING

[loud crescent]

was he armed and pointing a weapon at you?

[blissful harness]

Exactly, was he armed and pointing a weapon at you?

[halcyon fern]

Try using a tazer or maybe some pepper spray

[opal basin]

i mean its over, i already arrested him its just crazy that i got an unauthorized use of force for that

i ended up just walking over and bashing him in the nose, he shut up after that

[loud crescent]

ROE is strict, you can't shoot someone with lethal force unless they're an active threat (which, in game terms, means "their weapon is raised / they are in the process of raising their weapon")
LTLs are less strict, you can use those on anyone non-compliant (holding a weapon, or a civilian who isn't surrendering)

[opal basin]

his weapon was literally raised, its just the animations are totally unsynced with the "active threat" mechanic

also ROE should not be this strict

[loud crescent]

that's a bug then, if a suspect has their weapon raised they should (per the game mechanics) be a valid target

[opal basin]

i think its the new animations. a lot of them have the suspects pointing their guns at you but it somehow doesnt count as a threat

[shy tulip]

ROE mfs when SWAT take three steps to the right

[loud crescent]

there is a new 'slow surrender' animation that has the target veeeery slowly put down their weapon, and the barrel is facing you during parts of that

[opal basin]

also if i see a guy pointing a gun at me swearing at me and threatening me, am i supposed to just let him? that is a reasonable threat

[opal basin]

it faces you during 75% of the animation

[loud crescent]

per ROE? yeah, verbal threats aren't enough to shoot them with lethal force

[opal basin]

"im gonna kill you"

also i wouldnt kill him and didnt kill him, i had an mp5 and he had body armor. not lethal force

[loud crescent]

you can use LTLs on anyone noncompliant, but ROE states you can only escalate to lethal when they are actively a danger to someone's life this very second

[opal basin]

he literally was though, does it only count as a danger to my life once he aims carefully at my dome and pulls the trigger?

[loud crescent]

pretty much yeah

[opal basin]

so being dead

[loud crescent]

they have to be in an aiming position - not just low ready, but "the gun is raised"
because at any point before that, they could drop the weapon and surrender

[opal basin]

what if they say "im not gonna surrender"

[loud crescent]

words are just words

[opal basin]

also does shooting near somebody a "warning shot" affect morale? like can i get compliance from a civilian by doing that or is it just pointless

[loud crescent]

warning shots are a thing, yeah

[opal basin]

next time you get pulled over say that you will kill him and see what happens

[loud crescent]

the difference is that we're supposed to be playing the good guys

which means we can't ice people unless there's literally no other option -- you can't come back from lethal force, if someone's dead they're dead

are they going to shoot you (like, right now)?
if yes: shoot
if no: don't shoot

[opal basin]

well he just killed a bunch of people

[loud crescent]

or just use LTLs where the ROE is much less strict, you can beanbag anyone with a gun and get away with it 99% of the time

[opal basin]

this was on neon tomb

[loud crescent]

yes
that doesn't mean they're going to shoot you right this moment, in the next two seconds
it just means they're willing to use lethal force

similarly- you are willing to use lethal force, but it doesn't mean you're going to do it in the next two seconds

[opal basin]

but i will use it in the next two seconds is the thing

[loud crescent]

that's the thing, you shouldn't
if you want to not get slapped for breaking ROE, you can only use lethal force if not doing so would result in you or a civilian dying

hell, you can get away with shooting someone in the back if their weapon is raised, no calls for compliance needed
but "only shoot if the alternative is them shooting first" is a good rule of thumb

[opal basin]

you see, its not just a mission like twisted nerve, its an active fucking shooting. how is it realistic we cant just shoot on sight or at least just shoot once we tell them to drop it and they dont

[coral cloud]

XE sight irl has a built in laser right?

[loud crescent]

shoot on sight: not a thing, LSPD are ostensibly the good guys
tell them to drop it, they don't, shoot them: sometimes this is possible per ROE (if their weapon is raised)

just run beanbag shotgun or taser (both are actually decent) and you can shoot whoever you want tbh

posted in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

1. suspect has a weapon in a low ready -- cannot fire with lethals
2. suspect has weapon pointed at me, but not aimed - cannot fire with lethals (they're slow-surrendering)

@opal basin they then fake-surrendered and tried to shoot me because of course they did
but you get the drift

[plain python]

Anyone know how to get the smile your on camera achievement?

[shy tulip]

Wait for the camera to pass over you and look at yourself

[plain python]

alright

[twin citrus]

how long does Sah'id take to order the killing of civilians

i got the badge but now im going for S rank and i got Sah'id in custody but they are still killing the civilians and im not sure if im being too slow or something

[opal basin]

What camera

[shy tulip]

The helicopter

[shy tulip]

I don't know if there's a solid maximum time, or if when you start putting pressure on him he can just flip it. But once he gives the order, they won't stop.

[grave crown]

how is it possible to incapacitate 15 suspectsin 15 seconds?

[stable kernel]

Good question

[hazy heath]

thats what ive been trying to figure out

[stable kernel]

In multiplayer I can see it with a split stack on two of the big rooms

But single player idk

Unmodded I should say

[grave crown]

so we can lock them up in one room without arresting

[hazy heath]

its still very hard or undoable on multiplayer

[grave crown]

and arrest at once?

[stable kernel]

Confirmed to not work on arrested targets

[hazy heath]

what

[stable kernel]

I guess you could herd the compliants

[hazy heath]

wait

[stable kernel]

But I think arresting is too slow

[grave crown]

maybe we can hold the ai teammates with pepper gun

[hazy heath]

so arresting does not count

[twin citrus]

does it have a signal when he does it
eg. a toc voiceline or he actually does something like use a radio or say something

[grave crown]

in room so they don't runaway

[hazy heath]

and killing them is wrong

[stable kernel]

Killing arrested suspects does not count

[shy tulip]

TOC will inform you that they've gone active shooter

[twin citrus]

ok

[hazy heath]

ok does killing suspects straight work?

[stable kernel]

If you are quick enough

Which is the problem

[hazy heath]

so killing them not incapping them works?

[stable kernel]

Yes

[hazy heath]

bruh ok

[stable kernel]

Incap might work, I killed all 15 and got it

[plain python]

incap works

[brave lodge]

I got the achievement to arrest him before the order is given today, something I noticed was while we C2 breached the floor he was on, I dont believe we fired a shot until we got to Sah'id. I breached the middle floor C2 and bang, arrested some suspects without a shot. Then got to him at the back of the boat. His guards had holstered weapons and didnt appear to be in an "alert" stage. I'd say once they hear detectable shots Sah'id gets antsy and the timer begins. Think he's always on the upper/middle floors also.

[opal basin]

Why the fuck does TOC call us high ground instead of entry team? I like the new voice but this one specific thing doesn’t make sense

[plain python]

hardest is prob arresting em all

but i've watched mfers do it

[brave lodge]

Valid question

[twin citrus]

they've always called us high ground but im not sure

[opal basin]

Since when?

[shy tulip]

The Prince is very slippery, he isn't afraid to run and will straight up ignore your shouts to get away. I think I've even had him get tasered just to get up a few seconds later and run

[opal basin]

I only just heard them call us high ground since December 10

It was always entry team

[hazy heath]

has any1 used mods for the sleeper agent achievement?

[plain python]

I usally spawn on top of the yacht to get his ass I feel like shit for targeting his ass

[plain python]

Yes

[shy tulip]

Don't be, he's a rich asshole

well, literally

Pretty sure he's also up to more illegal shit based on his laptop

[plain python]

and a Terrorist

[hazy heath]

did you use a maxs ai mod?

[plain python]

No

I didn't use mods for it

[shy tulip]

Mods don't disable achievements, you could spawn 300 suspects and blow them up with a grenade and it'd probably count

[opal basin]

Diddy shit?

[shy tulip]

No idea, it isn't very specific on that one

[plain python]

Sinner have you gotten the 2 headshots yet

[opal basin]

Casual dinner

[plain python]

I need to get the Lee Harvey achievement

[shy tulip]

I feel like I have but haven't popped the achievement

[odd sierra]

I did a 5 stack on mp

[plain python]

only tip I could say works is spawning on helipad and waiting for a just stop oil mfer to pop around the corner

[odd sierra]

We didn't get it in like 10 tries 😭

[plain python]

I mean I just need 4 more achivements from the new DLC to get my 100% again

[grave crown]

i can't remove loadout preset for some reason

[hazy heath]

dw we tried 60 times and didnt get it

[mortal pine]

why does the new toc guy sound so

[odd sierra]

i had a crazy strat that in theory can work but it's really crazy 😭

[plain python]

I think only one of your mates needs to do it all to get the adchivement

[opal basin]

Everybody keeps saying stuff but I can barely tell a difference besides the things he says, his voice is pretty similar

[hazy heath]

we tried alot of strats

[odd sierra]

in theory you could use non-lethal, make them surrender, then use the move to command to one by one move suspects together to one single area with someone looking after them, then when you get 15, you cuff them all simultaneously or just incap them. important to not arrest them before otherwise it counts as apprehending them. it's like semi-impossible to pull off but in theory it could work? it'd take maybe 20-30 mins of setup

and probably a big team

[hazy heath]

that might work actually

takes a bit sure but

[stable kernel]

Arresting is too slow

Unless you have a 15 man team

[odd sierra]

Yeah just blast them probably

I don't get something

[hazy heath]

use non lethal for them to surrender then move them to 1 spot

[rustic isle]

Am I the only one who thinks that the newly added yielding animation is wat too dumb? I mean, who point their gun at officer when they are willing to yield? The animation is suicidal. I'd say that VOID went too far to make things feel intense when it's not. Cuz I'm taking the animation as assaulting, not yielding.

[hazy heath]

and kill them

[stable kernel]

Or use a mod for more suspects and do it the “intended” way

[hazy heath]

tried didnt work 5man or singleplayer

[stable kernel]

Too slow

Or one was faking

I had that a lot

[rustic isle]

When you point your gun at an officer, it's not matter of faking or not anymore. Ask every single one of police officers that if a gun is pointed at them, what would they do? I'd fire my weapon right away.

[timid slate]

for ironman acheivement completion, do you need to just complete the base game or do the DLC's get added on as requirements if you own them

[stable kernel]

Base game 18 maps only

[scarlet flax]

I think it’s the FISA guy that yells at you about the human cargo in Hide and Seek mission. Must be tied to the story.

He also mentions when you lose sometimes that they’re sending in federal assets to take control of the scene (to further back up my thought).

[torn olive]

Is there just 1 map in the new DLC?

I can't seem to find any videos on it besides the oil rig one.

[grave crown]

how do i turn down the gun sound volume?

[timid slate]

there's 3 maps.

[grave crown]

it's too sharp and loud

[torn olive]

cheers for that, just gotta wait i guess for people to upload the videos

[timid slate]

Oil rig, A yacht, and (i think) a resort lemme verify

yeah abandoned resort

[torn olive]

i havent even finished the base game yet, had it for ages but really never got past the 5th level

[drifting sand]

What level is that?

[torn olive]

i think the one with the house in the woods with all the traps

i finished that one once really badly and kinda forgot about the game

[drifting sand]

With the new suspect inventory system; any idea where the enemies get their weapons from?

Are they still magic weapons, or are there actual weapon lockers in the maps?

[shy tulip]

Both

though it is a lot more obvious when they have guns on them

[drifting sand]

On the DLC maps?

They still magically spawn guns?

[shy tulip]

Yes, but i think they can also swap out with the gun caches, not sure, haven't seen it myself

They don't like randomly decide to spawn a gun, I think it's in their inventory, it just isn't noticeable until they drop their current or surrender, I believe?

[stable kernel]

Suspects spawn on the new maps with a pistol on the hip and a primary generally

Sometimes they have a back pocket gun

[drifting sand]

Okay, so there's a proper inventory now.

Nice.

Any idea where the gun caches are on the yatch?

[stable kernel]

Pretty sure that system isn't in the game

I say that and then I find one

Ok I stand corrected

Probably a random spawn with a lot of locations

[shy tulip]

I don't think they're random, at least not on Leviathan?

Not sure I spotted one on Seraglio

[drifting sand]

Well, I went in silent on the Seraglio, and it seemed like the enemies all had pistols instead of the usual P90s.

So I'm wondering where they keep the guns.

Would be cool if you could find and lock up or disable the guns cache.

[stable kernel]

You indeed can close them

No points gained for doing so

[prime wing]

45 weeks of development

https://tenor.com/view/syful-when-the-girl-leaves-gif-10210994449308863814

[shy tulip]

Interesting that they're not points related

[prime wing]

wrong gif

[stable kernel]

I figure it's so you don't have to hunt even more soft objectives for an S/auto complete

[drifting sand]

Huh.

So, they're boxes with guns rather than actual lockers.

Now to figure out where they are on the Seraglio.

[opal basin]

Would be really cool if suspects didn’t drop both their guns when they are incapacitated

[tiny quail]

i thought that gun cache means i can change guns midway through the mission

like imagine just "whoops brought jhp" then spending 2 minutes switching to ap for all your mates

[prime wing]

I love when suspects kept pulling 4 glocks out of their ass earlier on

it was laughably bad

[tiny quail]

yeah im seeing more 2 pistols for suspects recently

like where tf do you store it at

[warped cave]

4 holsters 🔥

[opal basin]

Void really needs to add gameplay options so we can tweak to our preferences, like sprinting(this might be too far), able to pick up enemy guns, no securing weapons, stuff like that

[warped cave]

left hip, right hip, and maybe inside the high vis vests

[opal basin]

There’s an image for this that I can’t find… the guy with like 6 glocks on his hip, you know the image ?

[warped cave]

yes

[shy tulip]

Sprintin never coming

[hybrid stream]

Fun fact wedges still cause full lobby crashes WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[wraith arrow]

[civic adder]

I was warned leviathan was gonna be a nightmare and i agree its hard but 3 letter triad is much harder imo

[bronze cobalt]

Shouldn't use em then?

[copper cypress]

Is No crack Ai still useful in the current patch?

[stone bay]

is there any way to bring back the old narrator guy idk what to call him

[copper cypress]

Where can I find tactical equipment?

[shy tulip]

Yes, his files are still in your VO folder, you just have to put it over the new toc

[shy tulip]

In the tactical tab of the loadout, bottom section

[stone bay]

is it js me or does this update have more wall clipping

[burnt chasm]

Is the ai doing offing himself are back in this update? (Except bomb vest)

[static relic]

oh boy, new update; Are the AI wallbanging officers again? /j

[copper cypress]

No

The AI ​​will only fire if it sees the middle of your torso.

[burnt chasm]

Literally asking this cuz the ai in dark water are back doing their usual routine (smoking, communicating with their walkie-talkie, that's all i saw)

[static relic]

chill guy

he knows the only person he can surrender to is god (assuming they belive in one)

[robust apex]

mann leviathan FPS is horrible. 5800x3d, RTX3070 w/32gb. Seen it drop to 30fps LMAO

[static relic]

best i can offer you is dlss/fsr/xess /j

[hybrid stream]

Yeah wouldn't use em at all still. Sadly.

[static relic]

door wedges are only good on brisa cova /hj

i feel like runnign away from the first few doors on the start of brisa cove is mandatory

[blissful harness]

Not gonna lie, I hope we can see more maps regarding gang culture in the neighborhood.
Narcos was almost a prime example, but the enemies are mostly Cartel members who came from Mexico.

[static relic]

How about a gang of insurance scammers all dressed up in bear suits

but there'll also be a real bear somewhere

[errant musk]

They did bring back the line " you guys look like guys in the movie nice gun"

[static relic]

i want to not be punished f or shooting a civ whipping out their phone

[lost inlet]

“Hmm? Whats that? You want to get penalty for meleeing an non-compliance civies? Sure!”

[static relic]

you melee them? i shotgun shell their face, maximum efficiency

if i get penalized, i'll make it worth the points

[lost inlet]

Unless you wanna get killed by your own teammates or finish the rest of the level with 1HP

[static relic]

i make them sit in time-out corner at the start

[lost inlet]

1HP

[static relic]

hp overrated, ig

[lost inlet]

Suit yourself

[umbral oar]

this is great

[amber hearth]

Local tactical shop

[oak stream]

anybody having issues loading the game up rn

[midnight axle]

@warped cave If no one's told you #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message this is the new FPC back panel instead of the large bag

[warped cave]

Oh?

[civic adder]

thats wild, on a 6700xt and a 5900x i get like 120

[glacial fjord]

are all mods before december 10th unusable now

[civic adder]

many but not all

[fiery narwhal]

will devs fix the recoil for mk17, its going crazy

[jolly verge]

You mean camera snake?

Recoil a bit higher compare to g51 and g3, but less than sa58 and m14

[stiff cove]

could you show me your settings

[mental trench]

Anybody remember the movie also called "Ready Or Not" back in 2019? I just watched it and I think it would be pretty cool to have a mission based of it like what they did with "Elephant"

And then to call the mission "Ready Or Not"

[tacit gull]

RoN is better at making references to old ass movies, that being said i could see the last mission done when devs end support being called that

[grave crown]

there's many bugs in this moment

[drifting sand]

Are the falling back and regrouping behaviours also limited to the DLC missions?

Or only the inventory system where suspects arm themselves on being alerted?

Also, what's this about the helo getting a thermal cam?

[sour shuttle]

The mp5sd is sexy asf in this game (even irl)

[tacit gull]

The rallies are limited to dark waters, yes

however suspects overall have received behaviour changes across the game

The inventory system is for all missions, however caches and loose weapons are not added to old maps

[drifting sand]

Huh

I figured that would be the one thing they'd bring to other missions.

Hopefully we'll see appropriate suspects from previous missions get the behaviours eventually (such as Voll's security and the Hidden Hand enemies).

[tacit gull]

They've said they want to implement new features everywhere else, just not this update

[drifting sand]

Makes sense, I suppose.

An inventory system is an update to AI in general, but something like falling back and rallying up would be things that you would only expect some enemies to do.

A gang banger or addict isn't exactly going to have the sense to retreat.

Hopefully we'll also see some missions make use of the inventory system in the future (missions like the coyote tunnels come to mind as places where enemies wouldn't exactly be carrying long guns all the time)

[amber hearth]

Lets have ready or not mobile which is an idle combat swat officer collecting deck builder

[mental fable]

Hey, which is the best entry point in Mirage at Sea to arrest Sahid first before he executes the hostages?

[amber hearth]

Tip

[hollow veldt]

anyone know whats the go with sleeper agent? how does it work

i feel like me and a friend have gotten the 15 but havent popped the achievement

[drifting sand]

No idea, but I think it's more important to just move fast (where most people usually go slowly) and avoid the alarm being raised till you find him.

[drifting sand]

What does it require?

[hollow veldt]

15 kills in 15 seconds each on the third dlc map

[drifting sand]

Could be that it needs 15 per.

[hollow veldt]

thatd be stupid considering theres not even that many people

[drifting sand]

SP

[fiery narwhal]

like the pov literally flies to the ceiling

[mental fable]

The alarm at the engine area?

I'm doing an S rank for Mirage at Sea, pepperball or beanbag shotgun for me and AIs?

[gloomy thistle]

career mode when

[jolly verge]

Use attachments to reduce recoil, it's not that bad actually and better than sa58

[fiery narwhal]

still very hard to pull the gun down...

[drifting sand]

Mk17 does have more horizontal recoil than I expected.

That said, I'm happy they made the 7.62 feel like they're actually guns you have use differently and not just pull down more.

Too many games make weapons like the G3 and M14 controllable on full auto.

[drifting sand]

No.

The would be collateral damage giving the order to execute the hostages.

Incidentally, anyone figured out what the deal is with the dead guard on that mission?

[jolly verge]

It's just only vertical recoil, smfb and vertical/th grip reduce it by 50%, wont require you move mouse down too much

[jolly verge]

None of rifles have horizontal recoil actually, only few smgs

[drifting sand]

Huh. Could've fooled me with how much some of the rifles like to go side to side when shooting.

[jolly verge]

Angle recoil + arm injury will make gun bounce like it's have horizontal recoil, but in fact it's still has 0

[drifting sand]

Still.

The only outlier in terms of felt recoil for me is the GA416.

Damn thing feels harder to control (or comparable, at the bery least) than the .300s and 7.62s.

[jolly verge]

New G3 and G51 fully negate angle recoil in ADS mode btw, even with arm debuff

[jolly verge]

Yeah, 416 is still bad, bad caliber and high vertical

[drifting sand]

G51 is honestly my new go to gun with a silencer.

416 is just a bad weapon; has no having that much kick with 5.56.

I feel like the devs should really look at a balance pass on all weapons to make everything behave the way it ought to.

Get some consistency in the weapon handling and stats.

[jolly verge]

Try ARWC, get hit into arm and see how bad it is #1276104068762308608 message

[drifting sand]

I'm a smiple man.

SA 58, and now the G 51.

Maybe the F90 if I'm feeling exotic.

[deep rain]

I just used 762 only on greased and me and swat AI killed 3 civies by penetrating suspects 😄

I guess bringing a battle rifle to a crime scene means it's no longer a crime scene. It's now a battlefield 😄

So what's the real world thing for the GA51?

HK51?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[deep rain]

Why did they partially use real world gun model names and partially not?

[static comet]

actually it would be called the MC51 as the HK51 name is technically wrong as HK never made the conversion

sorry if the response is considered mean

its a very common misconception

[deep rain]

it's misconception51. MC51 😄

[static comet]

funny coincidence indeed

btw the MC in MC51 stands for Machine Carbine

[vast folio]

I fucking HATE Greased Palms, and the whacko requirements to S-rank these levels.

It's a coin toss on the secondary building if a suspect is behind a glass, which you can't even shoot through with less-lethal weapons.

I'm done trying to S-rank it with AI.

Pure ass.

Doesn't help that the DLC seems to have introduced bugs, making AI hesitate for a looooooooooooooooooooong time after getting gassed.

[tribal kayak]

@vast folio Sightlines are rough on Greased Palms. For some reason enemies stay beaded on you like the obstacles arent even there.

took me like 20 tries to get my S rank

[vast folio]

Yeah. It's the most unfun level to S-rank by far. Pure frustration.

The suspect AI when gassed behaves weirdly now. Well, more weird. You have to wait a long time for them to comply, but if you take your attention away form them, they recover fast into their retaliation mode, shooting you in the back.

[deep rain]

It's only cause you knew it worked different.

[vast folio]

That's causing a bit of an issue with the warehouse area, where the enemies are spread out. You can't afford to babysit one suspect, when 2 more are shooting you from further away.

[deep rain]

If it was like that from the beginning we would just accept it as a game mechanic

[vast folio]

And when they comply, they do a weird double-comply thing. They drop on their knees, but then instantly warp into their standing position, and then drop down again.

[deep rain]

The update makes tazers and pepperspray more useful btw

cause you get faster compliance

same with intimidator and negotiator traits

[vast folio]

Does pepper spray overwrite the gas animations?

[deep rain]

I dont know, but it helps in the other cases. Try it for gas. Or maybe try tazer for gas

[vast folio]

Gotta test out at some point. I think I'll have a break from the less-lethal stuff.

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message I encountered a few of bugged out suspects during my games yesterday - after gassing, they would not comply with any instructions.

...I wish I was as badass as that dude 😄

[deep rain]

Just played valley of the dolls, and the the wife now has brown hair?!

is it a bug or why would that be changed?

[lost inlet]

huh, i really thought the GA51 is just the G3 but with shorter barrel

[umbral sierra]

Anyone have a good methed for the sleeper agent achivment for single player?

[static comet]

well techincally you are kinda correct

the MC51's were conversions of G3's to have smg length barrels

this was the request of the SAS

and other british armed forces

to replace the aging L34A1

(aka the Sterling submachine gun)

[lost inlet]

i see

[tacit gull]

Question is how the hell did those end up in LSPD surplus

[static comet]

no idea

but if you use the judge theory it makes sense

[tacit gull]

lore: armorer is also USIA

[static comet]

as in the theory judge is one of the LSPD's best agents so he often has the greatest ability of chosing whatever weapon he wants

[static comet]

real

bootleg meth unabomber clone (and friends) was right

[shadow ether]

What's the deal with headphones? Did my mods I had a year ago break the game or are they not removable? There's clearly a "headphones" option if you don't get a helmet equipped, but if you pick "none", the headphones are still there

[tacit gull]

It's bugged, it'll be fixed next patch

[jolly verge]

Yeah, also no helmet option provide same stats as basic helmet currently

[tacit gull]

It does?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[tacit gull]

same with goggles?

[jolly verge]

Nah, goggles/gasmask dont count, but they do have protection in files

[tacit gull]

So those disable the helmet but give you the immunities?

[jolly verge]

If you have no helmet option you will have protection regardless of goggles or gasmask

They will just give you flash/gas immunity like always

[tacit gull]

ah, so i can run no helmet with no disadvantage for the drip, good to know

[jolly verge]

Yeah, heres a vid with this bug #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[shadow ether]

Speaking of the drip
The headwear option being there but only having headphones ||which don't work|| practically beg for content in the next DLC, like caps, hats, bandanas, etc

[hidden rapids]

mp5sd6 or mp7?

[shadow ether]

MP7 if you wanna be good
MP5 if you wanna be awesome

[static comet]

MP5SD6 for the drip but MP7 for the better performance overall iirc

[hidden rapids]

what sre the major differences?

[tacit gull]

Yessir, definetly getting the mods once they come out

[static comet]

armour penatration and rate of fire

size of gun itself

[shadow ether]

Armor penetration and mag size

[static comet]

and mag size as SSRB says

[hidden rapids]

How is the supressoe on the mp7

[shadow ether]

40 rounds of f your armor vest is pretty handy in most maps

[static comet]

very good

[shadow ether]

Very nice

[static comet]

but for the funny run the PEQ laser and the pistol irons for thr MP7

your entire vison becomes blocked lol

[shadow ether]

for the funny
I run that seriously

Pistol irons + laser sight
I tilt the gun right off the bat and do it that way

[static comet]

https://tenor.com/view/two-ducks-high-duck-gif-15694676120785831721

[hidden rapids]

the mp5sd is good for the fbi hrt drip

[shadow ether]

It is perfect for the sas drip

[static comet]

the MP5/10 also works for it

as the FBI HRT still use the MP5/10 iirc

[hidden rapids]

the mp510 dosent hate the hk slap

[static comet]

question is tho...... which one?

the A2 is more suited for the og SAS raid on the Iranian embassy

but the SD works very well for the more modern SAS

but also every one knows the SAS

[hidden rapids]

what about a mp7sd?Please Heckler and koch give mp7sd

[static comet]

but no one seems to remember the SBS

[static comet]

yeah that was one of the things the FBI requested HK to add for thr MP5/10

[hidden rapids]

10 mil is bad on anything but smith and weston guna

[static comet]

?

[hidden rapids]

the kentucky state police used too have a s&w in 10 mil

it looks cool but it was mid

[shadow ether]

Honestly, any of them

[static comet]

Yeah

[shadow ether]

I just found a bug I am not going to fix

I used to play with Sniper or Not and I had mp7 as my secondary for the shield

So now I can't get a shield with it
but I sure as ship can keep mp7 on secondary

G3 + MP7 dream is alive

Just gotta run mirror wand instead I suppose

[loud crescent]

holy shit, new USIA enemies ignore flashbangs

beanbags might've been nerfed too, they no longer 100% guarantee surrender

[nova light]

Do you also get annoyed when enemies surrender for 40 seconds? I have time to go make myself a coffee while they lay down their weapons

[loud crescent]

if you're using LTLs, just shoot 'em again

half the time the slow surrender is a trick anyway

i just had the delightful experience of

• target ignores a flashbang (USIA moment)
• taser fails to deploy
• beanbag stuns them for a few seconds, then they keep firing
• a second beanbag gets them to slow-surrender...
• ... it's a trick, and they shoot me while i'm reloading

[tiny quail]

the updates makes them hesitate more but also make them grow some balls

i love this game

[loud crescent]

yeah, that's about accurate
they're less trigger happy to immediately open fire, but if they do decide to open fire, you can't change their mind as easily

[mental fable]

Would be so cool to cut powers

I want to get S rank but can't find Sahid

[keen stratus]

theres a guy who told me u can put lens on ur gpnvg in game

[mental fable]

Yes

[keen stratus]

how can i do it

[cursive minnow]

If it's what I think you're referring to than that's a supporter edition owner only thing,

[keen stratus]

ok thanks

[stoic vortex]

would've been cool if we can spectate the helicopter's view when dead

[placid haven]

Parch soon?

[gilded cliff]

are balaclavas a new cosmetic for players? theres a new facewear slot or something along those lines.

[nocturne grove]

Gyot damn i love the Yacht mission

[jolly verge]

Balaclava only on 3 characters in MP mode. New facewear slot is for goggles/gas mask cosmetics

[sour shuttle]

When press checks

[dawn tree]

Still nothing about the insane vision range of suspects T.T
I was at a door, leant and spotted an enemy turning his back to me. Interestingly enough, he spotted me too, like the dude have eyes in his back.. Glorious. And no, I didn't make any noise otherwise he would've been facing me to begin with, just leant, and he spotted me from his back, and instantly shot me. They really set the sliders at max 😂

[gilded cliff]

interesting. do you know if this is going to be a feature later on?

[jolly verge]

Nope, not sure

[elder void]

Happy Friday! Any chance of an update today or are the devs on their Christmas break already?

[verbal idol]

Yo…you would think that people would check the doors for bombs in this game now…

But I guess that’s asking too much!

[amber hearth]

does being a suspect makes you see and shoot better irl

like idk judically modified soldier stuff

[amber dock]

depends on your previous training if you've had some. lots of factors

[amber hearth]

i only have the most basicest basic training as a rifleboy

[amber dock]

Then you might be better then a person who's never held a rifle in their life, but still lots of other factors

[amber hearth]

rifle is too heavy

maybe soldiers would fight better if they're all armed with handguins

handgun only effective in close range but with lighter load they can move more

and their quality of life would be significantly improved, overall better combat effectiveness

maybe i should try being a suspect

[rocky plover]

but easier to handle recoil

so makes you more accurate

[amber hearth]

mmm why dont they just paste something like

those uhhh shock absorbing gels

on your running sneaker soles, just apply that on the stock

[opal basin]

Taser can fail to deploy?

[lavish dome]

Does anyone have a glitch or bug that turns yatch mission from Barricade to Active Shooter scenario

[amber dock]

it's not bug, it's intentional

[lavish dome]

Lol for real ???

[amber dock]

yep, there is one suspect on the map that after some time gives the order to his guard to kill civs

[lavish dome]

Does taking him down prevent it from happening ???

And how do i know its the right NPC

[amber dock]

ye, it's dude dressed like your average oil rig billionaire

[lavish dome]

Wait, he's the Father NPC right

The old dude dress in white clothes right

[narrow jay]

does anyone think boston security are in on the amos voll thing or are they just following what they're being paid for?

[amber dock]

yep

[limber steppe]

you can see what he looks like in the mission briefing

[lavish dome]

Ok tks guys

[bleak hazel]

Since the update, when playing I constantly hear a beeping sound with delays in between. Does anyone know what this means?

[amber hearth]

i thought it was just me

[jolly verge]

On new maps?

[amber hearth]

it looks like its me and you

where are you? what does the beep says to you??

more beep in new map, but older maps also got beeps

[bleak hazel]

Yeah, haven’t tested old ones yet

[amber hearth]

they're not really happy beeps tho

[bleak hazel]

Well they are confusing beeps to me xD

[jolly verge]

Helicopter camera feed

[bleak hazel]

Interesting

Thanks

Is there any option to disable the beeping tough?

[tacit frigate]

Is it just me or did they nerf 9mm damage

[amber dock]

it's always been weak af

[jolly verge]

Nope

[tacit frigate]

The new smg seems to do absolutely nothing

[bleak hazel]

Alr

[jolly verge]

There was no changes regard ammo damage

[tacit frigate]

With the new smg I find my self shooting them with half a mag before they go down

[amber hearth]

9mm is not nerfed, but the suspects in DLC got thicker skins

[tacit frigate]

Ah, that's probably why.

[jolly verge]

It's will perform bad against level 3/4 armor or if you shoot limbs with AP ammo

[amber hearth]

all 3 missions they got thickskins. looks like the oil resistance movement members some of them got thicker skins some got normal skins

[jolly verge]

Yeah, on oil rig most of suspects use level 4 vests, so only AP rifle ammo will pen it

[potent stratus]

Anyone managed to get Sleeper Agent yet?

[rocky plover]

everyone is doing it with mods seems like it xD

[amber dock]

legit? nope, I used a mod to increase suspect count

[rocky plover]

there's even a new mod that released cos of that achievement lol

[umbral oar]

my toxic trait is thinking i would get it first try

[loud crescent]

been trying Sleeper Agent but it doesn't feel viable solo unmodded

[rocky plover]

ye i tried like 40 times already lol

[umbral oar]

can you get it if someone in MP helps you then

[rocky plover]

some say that it worked, but i tried with a few others and it didnt work so no idea

[loud crescent]

you'd presumably need a full team geared with lethal going fast and loud, with coordination to stagger kills to reset the timer
it's definitely a tricky one

[fringe plover]

the more you know
there's even an achievement to prevent that from happening !

[umbral oar]

interesting achievement to say the least

[loud crescent]

i'm thinking the play might be to spread out before engaging and not even call for compliance, just shoot to kill and hope you're fast enough

[umbral oar]

unauthorized use wouldnt invalidate it right

[loud crescent]

should work fine

apparently someone already has it but I'm assuming they modded in more suspects

ill try and rustle up a team for vanilla achievement hunting later, it's the last one i need to 100% the game again

[rocky plover]

same ffs, but already tried Mp and seems it doesnt work, idk tho

[loud crescent]

doing it solo doesn't seem probable without amazing spawn luck, you can go 15s without encountering a suspect

[rocky plover]

yea i keep running out of suspects after about 10-12 kills, and fucking Ai are kind of useless in this

[loud crescent]

would be great if you could tell your team to pair off into binaries and clear the map without you
like "move and clear" but room to room

blue, red and judge could probably do it

[rocky plover]

ye they just clear 1 room and get stuck

and quite a few locked doors in the map aswell which slows you down

[loud crescent]

i did have the idea of getting 15 to surrender (but not cuffing them) then going through and killing them all in a row

as long as they're not arrested it should work
but they stand up after a while if they're not being watched

[summer copper]

I LOVE BATTLE RIFLES!!!!!!

[umbral oar]

maybe steal their guns and leave them

[loud crescent]

most have pistols they only drop when cuffed

I'll get a team together in about 2 hours, if anyone's in

[umbral oar]

its better than the rifle

or get them to surrender again so they drop the pistol as well

i might use ltl tbh

[final talon]

does anybody know what does the keycard in the oil rig mission does ?

[verbal idol]

@unreal canopy you’re looking for someone who can take this game serious and sweep well I’m here

Also I use a controller

[potent stratus]

Do you have to cuff them, or can you kill them?

[amber dock]

Just kill works. No need to report either

[potent stratus]

Really? Didn't work for me

[unreal canopy]

Controller? @verbal idol interesting.
We are actually trying to uncover the mystery and how a lot of the cases have a connection

[potent stratus]

I did it two times, first I tried to cheat it a little and just brought 15 handcuffed suspects into one room

[summer copper]

we had the bright idea to cuff them all and execute them within 15 seconds but it didnt work

[potent stratus]

Yeah I was there when we came up with it

[verbal idol]

So I see I’m not the only one who’s seeing a pattern here

[potent stratus]

It seems on my second attempt I screwed it up and didn't notice

[summer copper]

i havent even done the new missions yet

[unreal canopy]

@verbal idol there's a ton, we have uncovered connections from the gas station robbery to the meth lab all the way up to the valley of the dolls mission connections

[rocky plover]

that one doesn't work because the timer technically still starts once you cuff the 1st one

so it instantly invalidates it once you miss the 15s

[rocky plover]

there are several weapon caches around the map where they can re-arm too

[umbral oar]

have u seen them go there after surrendering

i was hoping they weren’t smart enough

[rocky plover]

they even go before they surrender too

[umbral oar]

ofc that happens

[potent stratus]

Understood

I'll get my friends, get a mod to increase suspect amount and play doom music

[rocky plover]

idk if it works in Mp either.. cos i tried with a few guys and we restarted like 10 times, then gave up

[verbal idol]

The valley of the dolls starts when you find the streamers stash it’s the first lead

[rocky plover]

no idea though

[verbal idol]

Then the spider leads you deeper and shit just gets worse from there

[unreal canopy]

I forget that 213 is the second mission always -.- twisted nerve sticks out all the time.

I think it's one of the sources for the trafficking operation

Did u find connection between the gas station robbery and the meth lab?

[ivory bone]

Do any of you know how I can prevent the AI officers carrying ballistic shields from killing suspects? Not allocating any slots to secondary ammunition seems to still leave them with one magazine, which is enough to deny me the S-Rank

[limber steppe]

it shouldn't, removing all ammo does the trick for me

[ivory bone]

There are multiple missions I have on A+ instead of S due to this and playing trough them without ballistic shield will be rather annoying I feel. But I don't think it is a Bug because it persisted trough multiple mission tries / game sessions

[potent stratus]

I dunno. Some achievements work I guess

[rocky plover]

yea some do some don't, no idea bout that one though

[potent stratus]

I wish I could just tell my guys to spread out, but I guess you've gotta be the one to kill the suspects

[rocky plover]

bots kills count, but they still like clear 1 room and stop there

[limber steppe]

does killing suspects count, or can you only incap/arrest them

[rocky plover]

killing counts

[potent stratus]

Both counts but killing is faster

[limber steppe]

well that makes it easier

[rocky plover]

on paper xd

[limber steppe]

what if you arrested 15 suspects, lined them up and executed them in short succession (in game, dear discord admins)

[potent stratus]

Didn't work, we tried it

[rocky plover]

as he said ^

[limber steppe]

aw that sucks

[potent stratus]

The timer goes off if you handcuff them, you gotta either kill or cuff them immediately

[limber steppe]

wait so if you fail the timer once, it doesn't restart?

[rocky plover]

gotta restart

[limber steppe]

well at least i got big shell specialist, S ranks and sleeper agent are gonna suck

[rocky plover]

s ranks are quite easy on the first 2 maps, last map is a bit hard due to having around 20-24 suspects

[ivory bone]

So, after allocating every officer a single secondary mag the number jumped to three, allowing me to put it back down to zero, seems to be a bug in the menu

[potent stratus]

I am also pretty sure you've gotta do Sleeper Agent solo. Other players and AI might have their separate timers

[limber steppe]

yeah sometimes the munitions menu bugs out assigning you more gear than your armor allows you

[potent stratus]

When I wanted to show my two friends the secret room, they didn't get the achievement because I was the one to blow the wall open. So I guess achievements like these aren't shared

[limber steppe]

also, does the achievement show up right as you complete it, like big shell specialist or do you have to finish the mission

[rocky plover]

like big shell

[limber steppe]

alr

[ivory bone]

turns out they still had ammo and killed a suspect again, christ

[paper igloo]

is balaclava standard now? my guy has one on and i cant take it off lol

[wispy ember]

glitch

[limber steppe]

you mean in the loading menu?

er loading screen

[shadow ether]

Change your character in multiplayer, the balaclavas are literally their face

Also, did win conditions change? We were playing Ides of March and somehow failed to arrest 3 suspects, even though 4 were incapacitated when we got the fail notice. Do we need to keep them healthy now?

[summer copper]

i always assumed it was arrest them without incapping them

[shadow ether]

I am convinced we could incap them before because that's how we beat at least 3 missions going full lethal

[jolly verge]

That rule apply only for HVT targets, getting 3-5 arrests objective require them alive, not incapacitated

[lost inlet]

it's always been capture 3 enemies alive and well, not incap at all

[shadow ether]

But they are alive... Yet.

[lost inlet]

incap only allow on VIP target

[shadow ether]

Huh. I suppose last time we did that mission, we somehow managed to get them to surrender more, something we're really struggling to do now with pretty much any suspects.
Still, I feel like it's a very odd order, treating random ass suspects more careful than VIPs.

Why would they need 3 people carefully arrested like that?

[summer copper]

if youre talking reasons why theyd keep these people alive, it could be for the sake of public image "look we didnt kill everyone", or it could be for the sake of interrogating them and learning more about the Left Behind group

[shadow ether]

Which they could easily do after putting all of them in hospital. In fact, I think this run that's how most of them ended up

[summer copper]

yeah but they could die before they get to the hospital or even inside the hospital. having guaranteed alive members just makes more sense

[brittle swan]

sleeper agent is very painful my god

[summer copper]

after all, theyre war veterans turned extremists due to the state of the country. killing em all is just plain rude

[bronze grove]

It's painful seeing everyone enjoy the New .308 weapons whilst i cant cuz of shitty isp

[molten dawn]

if i bought the expansion, and my friend did not buy the expansions, can i use the new weapons with him on the regular missions?

[bronze grove]

New weapons are free

[lost inlet]

only maps and cosmetic are restricted within the DLC

[shadow ether]

That makes no sense
Not by realism, not by gameplay
Here we have about 10 people, armed with kitted out assault rifles, sniper rifles and light machine guns, they shot a politician, a few local civilians, and are rigging the building with explosives. If we don't get three of them arrested carefully, it counts as a major fuck up.

[molten dawn]

oh, ok, even weapon attachments?

[shadow ether]

Yes you can

[lost inlet]

like i said

[shadow ether]

Yes you can do that too

[bronze grove]

Everything is free but the maps and cosmetics

[molten dawn]

awesom,e thanks

[summer copper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bronze grove]

Lspd priorities ig

[shadow ether]

The absolute state of Los Suenos

[bronze grove]

I want to maul suspects with the mk17

[summer copper]

wonder why they removed the blowing off of heads but replaced it with the blowing off of faces

[shadow ether]

Ayyy

[solar juniper]

pretty easy with 2 or more players

just don't drop the kill chains

recommend main entrance, one goes left to pool one goes right to second floor

[warm granite]

in the past its always been arrest 3 on their knees not incapd

i can incap 10 dudes a map and it will not count for me

lots of missions you do not need to arrest suspects just specific people, and you can incap those specific targets

[shadow ether]

Yeah, I've been told
Still, that is pretty ridiculous. What do they need them carefully arrested for?

[warm granite]

not quite sure, maybe to just make you flash a few thoughout the mission?

[shadow ether]

Oh, gameplay wise that's still doable, just very tedious to be doing. Might as well go full non-lethal and attempt to arrest everyone.
What's the in-character justification for that? I have a good one, but I'm not convinced it's what VOID had in mind.

[nimble patio]

why does the game automatically make me black

[tacit gull]

You're still police and you're going against terrorists, it's safe to say the three letter agencies would want to get a little alone time with some of the members

[shadow ether]

Because it's awesome

[warm granite]

probably need more people to question its hard to question 10 people who bled out

[shadow ether]

Three letter agencies could get up there and apprehend them themselves if it's that important to them, they could just wait for them to get out of the hospital

[tacit gull]

They could die in the hospital, incapacitated doesn't mean 100% alive

And that would take time aswell

[warm granite]

if it needs me to arrest just take 1 taser and m302 flash launcher ur good

[shadow ether]

Yeah, it's certainly more difficult, but still quite doable if they need 3 people to point fingers

[warm granite]

you can arrest 5 minimum people with that

[analog jolt]

Do you also have problems with optimization? I have Ryzen 5700x and huge frame drops.
Funny, so much waiting for DLC with 3 maps that can be completed in 1.5 hour and a few new weapons 😂 This looks like a steam refund

[warm granite]

and its a good tactic anyways for normally playing the m302 flash is great

[tacit gull]

suspect hesitation now also makes it very possible to arrest suspects without LTL

[warm granite]

if you have over 2 hours on ron you cant refund it and what are you even complaining about, its 3 new maps with different objectives than anything else seen, a higher variety of 7.62 to choose from with good models and you think its not worth 10$ to the devs

and new attachments for almost every single primary weapon

[shadow ether]

I have a much better in-character justification for why they need at least 3 people healthy
||The entire PD, being very close and chummy with a lot of veterans, knows and feels they were right, if a little extreme. And there's already a bit of a rift between the police who are doing their jobs and the veterans who got a job to do. So the task is more of a whole PDs request to avoid making things worse and risking an all out war with their friends.||

[tacit gull]

RON is way too edgy to have that as the reason tbh

[shadow ether]

What do you mean?

[tacit gull]

One of the latest missions is just us doing a black op for the USIA and one of the achievements basically requires you to go on a killing spree and take out everyone in fast succession

Everyone in the game is comically evil which makes the actual tragic missions feel out of place

[warm granite]

pretty sure its just fisa that dont have the same morals as the lspd

like during port hokan when the fisa guy hops on the radio

[shadow ether]

You mean Port Hokan? I'm not quite sure it's an all out black op

[shadow ether]

Are you sure you're talking about the new DLC ||and not the previous one||? For me personally, the DLC added a lot of things that were sorely missing for me. Now I just need to wait for the hotfixes

[tacit gull]

Not port hokan, that's just a joint op between LSPD and FISA

[drifting sand]

The XE is an odd little optic; it seems to have a 1x holo and then an alt mode with a 1x irons.

And if i'm reading things correctly; it also has a visible laser, IR laser, and IR illuminator IRL.

[warm granite]

in game?

[drifting sand]

In game it just has 2 modes, both of which as 1x options. It has a the holo, and then it has irons

Which make it pretty odd, in game

[warm granite]

ye it should have a laser turned on 24/7 with it so you can use flashlight too

[summer copper]

i fucking hate dorms so much man, ive had 2 S rank runs ruined due to bugs

one of the suspects was trapped in a "sliding through a gap in the wall" animation and nothing could break it, and the other time, a suspect just randomly showed up incap

[warm granite]

[shadow ether]

I couldn't find a suggestions channel, but seeing how the devs are looking to give the players more customization options,

can we choose our chemlight colours?

Either would be nice, the back chemlight or the tossed ones

[stable kernel]

#1050529506022137876

[tacit gull]

just a button to change our teams (that works) would do it

[stable kernel]

Nah, dropped lights are still always green

But a change teams in MP would be great still

[storm coyote]

have the mods been fixed yet?

[shy tulip]

Ask the authors

[bleak hazel]

i have the dark waters dlc purchased but when i try to equip the phoenix flight suit, its locked saying it requires the dark waters dlc, what should i do?

[lost inlet]

it has an iron on it?

[summer copper]

do you have a minimum B grade on rust belt? i believe that's what they said to someone else about it

[jolly verge]

Yeah, you can use it by pressing P key

[bleak hazel]

no i dont think so, kinda assumed it needs nothing if its not stated there

[summer copper]

i know what you mean but they said that doing that should give you it

[jolly verge]

It's does require B on rust belt

[bleak hazel]

alr

[summer copper]

once i S rank dorms im never touching this pos mission again

[spring kraken]

petition to get the aimpoint pro on all the assault rifles instead of just the smgs

[drifting sand]

Press H when ADS.

[lost inlet]

so secondary sight

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[lost inlet]

bruh, it's useless

[summer copper]

yeah it sucks lol

[lost inlet]

also, it's different FOV a bug or a feature when using NVG?

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's supposed to be a bit less with enabled nvg

[hidden rapids]

Its sad that there is no reason not too run the balistic mask

it hides lots off custpm facewears

like masks

[shadow ether]

It's a reported bug, wait for the hotfix I guess

[winter pendant]

I didn't realize secondary sights were still in the game

[shadow ether]

Is there a reason to run the ballistic mask? I literally never use it

[jolly verge]

Twice more durability and higher ricochet chance compare to basic helmet

[shadow ether]

And no flash protection or gas protection

Is there a reason not to run gas masks all the time? ||Especially old school SAS style masks you unlock after beating the main game||

[hidden rapids]

the other option is gas mask + nvgs but im pretty sure flash protection +nvg+balistic mask is better

[hidden rapids]

if your playing single

youre*

[tacit gull]

flash protection is not only available but useless

[jolly verge]

Not a big deal, just dont watch on flash or use stinger instead, gas deal only 0.2 damage per second

[tacit gull]

And gas protection doesn't do anything outside of using gas

[shadow ether]

My whole team does it

[shy tulip]

Gas masks also give you that corner vision effect that I don't like

[hidden rapids]

yeah

[shadow ether]

That's pretty damn useful

[rocky plover]

ye same with ballistic

[hidden rapids]

what if we got a m320 with HE

The warcrime potential would be unmatched

[shadow ether]

I mean, it doesn't do compliance faster, but it restricts a chunk of walking area, prevents suspects from shooting, and lets us identify inside targets by their cough

[tacit gull]

Not if you dont use gas

[hidden rapids]

thats cool and all but you can do the same with the mirrorgun

[shadow ether]

Why would you not, it's quite handy in room clearing

[hidden rapids]

shoot em trough a wall prefire the heads

[tacit gull]

painfully slow and not as effective as other nades

[shadow ether]

Haven't seen a mirror gun not letting a suspect walk down a hallway or stop shooting 🗿

[hidden rapids]

but ive sure seen bullets do

[shadow ether]

That's very cool if you have someone looking that way

[hidden rapids]

If your solo you can just sacrifice them

the crew ai

[shadow ether]

Sometimes bullets don't let you cross the hallway, and that's where a gas toss can fix it

[shadow ether]

I play pretty much exclusively with a friend group though

[hidden rapids]

sacrifice your friends

and also the balistic shield can help

i have so much confusion because im hearing german aand reading english

Heckler and koch please listen tko my prayers and bring back the ucp out off prototype stage cancelation 🙏

[static comet]

Well actually

[shadow ether]

I don't have enough of them to do that 🗿

[static comet]

Yeh S10 series of gas masks are still considered one of the best gas masks ever made

And many gas mask enthusiasts often like to talk about how the Scott GSR which replaced it as horrible in comparison to the S10

And I know that

Cause I own one

[summer copper]

have you been gassed in one?

[static comet]

Unfortunately no

[summer copper]

unfortunately 😭😭

[shadow ether]

I mean besides the gameplay benefit of using gas, pepper spray and pepper balls, the SAS gas mask is just pure drip

[hidden rapids]

god damn it if you trade 2 souls the devil will surely make your aim better

[static comet]

YES

[hidden rapids]

the sas gas mask is UGLY

[shadow ether]

That is the POINT

[static comet]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-gif-19517415

[hidden rapids]

gor damn it the whole sas is ugly

[shadow ether]

Why make a scary face if you can get a sick mask to scare people into compliance?

[static comet]

Says SAS gas mask yet doesn’t specify which one

[hidden rapids]

swat looks scarier than the sas

[zenith moon]

OML the AI is so dumb sometimes.

[hidden rapids]

the stereotypical sas mask you see in media

[static comet]

So? Which one? There’s two used by the mainstream, the S8 and the S10

[zenith moon]

Like. Bro. I told em to move behind a wall and some AI decided to just go arrest someone. Then when I was securing the AI SWAT weapon the AI team did not even cover me and I got killed. They were yelling Hands up.

[summer copper]

you're a real gas mask aficionado huh?

[hidden rapids]

bith

[static comet]

So yeh s10

[hidden rapids]

both*

i hate phone keyboards

[summer copper]

what'd you call me? lol

[hidden rapids]

so many typing mistakes

[hidden rapids]

who are you

[shadow ether]

AI in this game is so unreliable you're better off learning to solo every map

[summer copper]

yoy 😔

[zenith moon]

Yeahhh

[static comet]

I could understand why you’d think that way but imo it’s really good looking

[crude prism]

🦐 issue

[static comet]

It really does depend tho on how you dress it

[summer copper]

shrimp issue

[hidden rapids]

man i dont like the french because they put the 5.7x28 over the 4.6x30

[crude prism]

NO!!!!!! it's supposed ot be a KRILL!!!!

[summer copper]

personally i wouldn't wear a gas mask unless i was styling it with a three piece suit

[winter pendant]

AI make for good guards. Stack them or tell them to cover a certain area and just leave them there while you work other angles.

move them like chess pieces

[summer copper]

move deez nuts like chess pieces

[winter pendant]

if you insist

[static comet]

Either way a man with great armaments would no matter what make you shit scared especially if you’ve just been flashed

[summer copper]

⁉️

[winter pendant]

KNIGHT TO G4

[summer copper]

AAAAAAAAAH

this is stupid

[winter pendant]

yeah

[hidden rapids]

why does the lspd use the bearcat g3 and nit the g4

[shadow ether]

Squid issue huh?
I just don't see why I should learn to command a bunch of bots

[summer copper]

you mean apart from the fact that it's a core feature of the game?

[shadow ether]

Petition for VOID to add a three piece suit

[shadow ether]

Yes.

[hidden rapids]

why do civs just walk around like i thought i had secured most off them i see this random dude ealking around cant see his hands shoot and boom my crew ai kills me

[winter pendant]

I find them pretty helpful but I also kinda harmonize with their movements. imo there's a reason it's "commander" mode. If you play them strategically and flow with them instead of trying to be the pointman it can work real well. but not everyone will want that and that's fine

[summer copper]

then i don't know

[static comet]

Well I do have an interest to some degree yes

[summer copper]

it would be peak

[hidden rapids]

why does the crew ai exdcute you instead off arresting you

[summer copper]

cuz you would be better off dead, doing what you did

[shadow ether]

If the game has glowing bracelets and vacation shirts as gear options, a three piece suit fits right in

[shadow ether]

They are doing everyone a favour

[summer copper]

true, if i can wear a Hawaiian shirt then why not a suit

[winter pendant]

3 piece suit - no armor - pdw - sunglasses - men in black build

gold watch for extra snazz

[hidden rapids]

i was doing everyone a favour too when i shot the suspected

[summer copper]

the aura generated by the suit acts as body armour

[winter pendant]

damn right

(finally a use for the flux raider)

[summer copper]

i just realised there's 24 missions now for me to S rank...

[hidden rapids]

how is them executing me good but me executing voll a reason too execute me

[shadow ether]

The suspect was a ridiculously well-trained killing machine with access to the most kitted out guns the state had ever seen, too?

[hidden rapids]

but what if its voll

[summer copper]

then just don't tie him up before you execute him

[hidden rapids]

true true

[shadow ether]

Bad optics
If you insist on him dead, do it while he's still holding a gun

[hidden rapids]

voll dosent carry a gun

[winter pendant]

uhhhhhhhhh yes he d

[shadow ether]

He sure shot me twice

[hidden rapids]

he never pulled it on me before thought he dosent

[summer copper]

he definitely has a gun

[winter pendant]

it's like... the most inconvenient arrest in the game

at least brixley tends to give up once in a while

[summer copper]

who said anything about arresting voll?

[shadow ether]

That's why you gas him and beat him the fuck up with your rifle

[hidden rapids]

blow up voll with c2

[winter pendant]

TOC did 😔

[winter pendant]

hell ye

[summer copper]

comms must've cut out... i didn't hear anything about that

[winter pendant]

TOC is my real dad

I just want him to be proud of me

[hidden rapids]

hes more proud if you execute voll trust

[shadow ether]

I heard "voll" and "rest", pretty sure it was an order to put the dude to eternal sleep

[hidden rapids]

we need a 22lr gun

so that he can tank a few more shots

[winter pendant]

9mm is already so weak in this game smh feels like 22lr

[hidden rapids]

9mil sucks yeah but a 22lr riffle could be good

its a small bullet

[winter pendant]

I would rather the mp5sd be actually effective

[shadow ether]

Bro tip: if you grenade a handcuffed suspect from far enough, it's not a violation of RoE and you brought 8 stingers each

[hidden rapids]

the mp5sd is cool but the 4.6x30 is much better

[summer copper]

couldn't have said it better myself

[winter pendant]

im so sad

[hidden rapids]

chat p90 or mp7?

[winter pendant]

p90 all the way

[shadow ether]

MP7

[hidden rapids]

The p90 can have extra swag because off the FiveSeveN but 5.7.28 is a pretty boring round

[winter pendant]

it hits harder than the mp7 as far as I can tell

[hidden rapids]

disatvantage: its ugly

a mp7 witha aimpoint and a ir laser looks insanely good

[winter pendant]

mp7 does look really good

p90 just works though. so much capacity that you can full auto it without worrying about constantly reloading, the round hits hard, it's compact enough for anything. the reload is slow but otherwise it's prolly the most effective smg

[eager holly]

i wish suspects went to the ground when i hold a gun to their face

[valid ridge]

I shoot people irl

[smoky skiff]

Jail

[bronze grove]

If the devs add a 50 bmg rifle as a joke id be so happy

[atomic ridge]

would be funny

[winter pendant]

new long tactical

not even a primary weapon, it's so big you gotta sling it on your back

[lavish reef]

oil rig is good

[burnt linden]

Oil rig is awesome.

[stone bay]

hello citizens

[winter pendant]

I was a bit mean to oil rig in my feedback post

it's growing on me

[smoky skiff]

Anyone not a fan of the yacht mission? I can’t seem to catch that dude before the order is given out

[winter pendant]

tbh I think yacht is the best one, though the kill civs order thing is a problem

[stone bay]

you get to kill civies in the yacht mission?

ayoooo

[burnt linden]

It’s TOUGH but I’m digging it.

[gusty burrow]

No, sahid gives the order to kill civs to his armed members

[misty snow]

Are they ever gonna add back in the M4 with carry handle? I see it in the armory and it’s PALPABLE. I just want it for my Vietnam loadout is all. They’ve done great with the game though it feels tense yet fair

[smoky skiff]

That’s what I’m saying I don’t like that addition or maybe at least give it more time bc I didn’t know how to prevent civi casualty until I read the achievement of apprehending the rich kid before the execution orders are handed out

[stone bay]

oh man

[winter pendant]

I think we need... like.. more concrete stealth mechanics. and more explicit statement that the guy needs to be arrested first before he does something crazy

[smoky skiff]

I tried to run non lethal, lethal (loud) and lethal (stealth) but I’m not having any luck

If I am getting A on 2/3 missions and just can’t get an A on the yacht that’s something wrong 😭

[winter pendant]

the MP5SD seems like it should be perfect for this mission but it doesn't really seem like the extreme quietness of that weapon makes a difference. I've stood around at spawn for a couple minutes and the order to execute civs is given anyway

maybe because of the helicopter I'm really not sure

[opal holly]

h

[stone bay]

i

[smoky skiff]

I think it operates off a timer instead of quietness / stress

[winter pendant]

that's awful

[opal holly]

im so bored omd

[stone bay]

me too