👮ron-discussion

[frail pier]

Tune in next season to find out

[tacit gull]

It's left up to interpretation, it could be just used to aid an investigation or someone higher up might have a hand in the trafficking, but it's done so brazenly and the fisa agent sounds so unproffessional that it's probably the latter

[prime wing]

agency meant to be the fbi being a shady and likely corrupted agency willing to overlook crimes or partake in them for broader goals, as usual

[prime wing]

close duhhhhhhhh dooooooors

[tacit gull]

actual 16 year old 💀

get outta my room im playing fucking minecraft

[frail pier]

Bring me funions and mtn dew before you close mum

I need my piss jug emptied!

[viral mural]

FISA was likely using the women as bait...they will let the container continue on to maybe it's final destination before cleaning it all up.

[frail pier]

Most likely but still pretty fucked.

[viral mural]

That scene bugs me because the voice lines don't match

"We'll talk later"

[tacit gull]

Doesn't help that FISA's motto is "let them suffer" 💀 which is so on the nose that i'm gonna have to blow mine

[viral mural]

"No, we won't be"

[tacit gull]

YES that is so fucking cringy, i dont know if they thought it sounds cool or something

[frail pier]

FTP man you know what that means

[viral mural]

Well, okay, but my point is that if one replies "no, we won't be" then the first statement would be "we'll be talking later"

[prime wing]

Subtle is not part of their vocabulary

[celest plinth]

Edgy. Very edgy

[viral mural]

Nor grammar I guess

[celest plinth]

YO is that the blue cook Hindenburg?

[hollow citrus]

I have custom mods my friend made that makes civilians as suspects on occasions and also our own AI with less aggressive changes than most. I can give link to both though

[forest lichen]

how about we use it on the 88 prisoner at the basement

[forest lichen]

Their motto is WHAT

[frail pier]

I'm cool with it

[forest lichen]

Where is this from?

it would be more safe to secure the entire place first before escorting them out

but considering we're FISA that we're talking about, there's probably some worse going on behind the scenes

[frail pier]

I feel like we need some way of torturing suspects. At least the really vile ones. In the RoN realm it wouldn't be that crazy.

Make them eat Captain Ds or something

[forest lichen]

silly we aren't the CIA

[frail pier]

I mean we're not a lot of things yet we still do it right?

[tacit gull]

their insignia

[forest lichen]

ain't no way bru

[leaden warren]

we well we have the beanbag

[forest lichen]

WAIT

TASE THEIR BALLS AND PEPPER SPRAY THEIR FACE

AND IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, BEANBAG ON THEIR STOMACH

[thorn river]

Are some mods not downloading to your games as well or is it just mine. I updated recently and it got rid of all my mods but the visceral blood.

[forest lichen]

dawg i just invented a torture method

[silk junco]

[fair loom]

i keep getting A plus in twisted nerve map any suggestions

[amber dock]

My reaction too

[amber dock]

Don’t kill too many suspects

[fair loom]

the ai kills them how to stop this

[stiff aurora]

What do you have them equipped with?

[fair loom]

the orange shotgun thingy

[stiff aurora]

The beanbag shotgun can kill with a headshot

[fair loom]

and a revolver

[frail pier]

Better idea... take away the AI and do it yourself.

[fair loom]

how to take them away in singleplayer

[frail pier]

You can tell them to hold at spawn. Or start a multiplayer private session by yourself.

[fair loom]

ok thanks

[fervent gale]

I alway do the latter and have now finally completed all levels. It's doable, but a challenge

[frail pier]

Idk I find it easier to solo S than it is with bots. They get in the way, kill shit and in general fuck shit up.

If you're doing it without tacticals sure it's more of a challenge. But in the world of CS nades, launchers ect nah not really.

[fair loom]

guys what is best mods for more attachments

[frail pier]

For more attachments? Idk of any. Don't really use mods outside of harder suspects. But I'm sure there's a wide variety of attachments you can choose on nexus.

[fair loom]

hmmm ok

[fervent gale]

Ye I never use them

[umbral oar]

my guys usually just follow me around

[orchid imp]

do u get steam achievements even if you have mods installed? bc it says unofficial score

[bronze grove]

Bro i'm doing the valley of the dolls mission, i tell the red team ai to go and clear a room, one of them opens the door but doesnt go and the other rushes downstairs and gets himself killed

[orchid imp]

real

[bronze grove]

What the fuck is wrong with the ai

[orchid imp]

for me rn i was doing 23 mb a sec tryna get S got A+ anyway i tell red team to move in, they just stand there. i repeat 3 times. nothing. when i order to breach other door they go in

bro graduated bottom of the class

or maybe the c4 blew his ears off who knows

[bronze grove]

How tf did these guys even get in swat

[orchid imp]

real. but fr though just retry it it prob just got stuck on some pillar and couldnt come up so it chose the other way

[bronze grove]

There was no pillar in the way he was already stacked up on the door

[orchid imp]

well he couldnt find the path somehow

[bronze grove]

I've still got my 3 other ai teammates so imma continue

I think he killed like 2 suspects before dying

Also i think voll is stupid as fuck

He was hiding under some table and he started coming out

I yell at him he gets down and i go to cuff him

Mind you i'm using the sa58

He reaches for his guns but he's dogwater so i put a round in him

[orchid imp]

continue

[bronze grove]

At first it said he was incapacitated but then said he died

He deserved it any way so

[orchid imp]

prob bc of bleeding and u hitting vital organs

download no mercy for terrorists mod. lets you unleash your anger

[bronze grove]

Killing everyone in the spider also does that

[orchid imp]

bro

[bronze grove]

They deserve it

[orchid imp]

make the red or blue team non-lethal and give them those bean shotguns so the enemies juist give up

no more death (well for like 95% of the enemies they surrended)

i have a lethal and non lethal team. non lethal goes first to like get all the guys down

trust me it works. yesterday i wanted to hang myself bc of the sins of the father mission. today with new team i did first try S tier

[bronze grove]

I use blue team as cover team, they hold spots and corners while me and red breach doors

It works very well, also gotta use wedges

I hadnt lost a single officer up until the dumb ai glitched and got hom killed

Worst is that was the only one with a shield

Imma continue and see how it goes from there

[orchid imp]

ok

also yeah wedges work well good for like map control especially on maps where ai rotates behind u

[bronze grove]

I was pulling my hair out on greased palms until i used wedge then got it 1st try

[orchid imp]

which one is greased palms again? the postal one?

[bronze grove]

Yeah

[orchid imp]

let me be completely honest with you. it took me about 6 hours to complete that one because i didnt understand how ai wokred on it. i was playing that shit from 10pm to 6am then i beat it on like A

now i need therapy.

[bronze grove]

I use wedges to control when and how firefights go by blocking off entrances and working my way around it

[bronze grove]

Fr bro that conveyor belt room is challenging af

Wedges are also useful on maps like twisted nerve as a way to seal off and contain suspects into a room

To make sure they dont Come out and Light you up

[bronze grove]

Game crashed

[orchid imp]

xd

[bronze grove]

Imma try again

[quaint igloo]

Can you send me those please

[tacit tiger]

i just got an S score and it says unresolved, what does that mean?

[orchid imp]

that u missed an objective

[tacit tiger]

but i didnt

atleast that is not what the score page tells me, everyone alive, all civillians secure, all evidence secured and all soft objectives. it says 3/3

[unreal stratus]

Do you guys know if there are plans to include Balaclavas in the game?

[frail pier]

Did you play multiplayer with someone? You probably weren't the host right?

[tacit tiger]

correct

[frail pier]

Pretty sure that's a known bug? Host probs had normal score

[tall portal]

what does unresolved mean after getting a rank on a mission?
(i got s rank but ot said unresolved below it)

[frail pier]

It's just a bug. Not sure what causes it. But it's not counting something whether it's an OBJ or not. Host will have normal scoring but clients won't.

[tall portal]

is it also a bug that i dont get the steir label after i got a stier on the map? someone else is hosting it. i nobody died

[frail pier]

People keep saying you missed an OBJ but you can't even get an S without grabbing soft OBJ ect. Best you'll get without softs is an A+ Hard OBJs missed you can't even exfil unless you fail failable ones.

[frail pier]

Death doesn't matter on S as long as you report the officer and grab his weapon. Ask host if his said resolved or not. But pretty sure it's just bugging out for clients.

[tall portal]

it said unresovled

[frail pier]

For him?

Does he have screenshot?

[orchid imp]

whats ironman mode osmeoe explain

[frail pier]

U no die

[orchid imp]

so if i die it resets all progress?

[frail pier]

Ye

[orchid imp]

bro going down a path we cant follow

thanks HustlerZ also any mod recommends?

[frail pier]

Idk I have this one AI mod that's hard af but it's all mostly in Chinese/Japanese writing lmao. I don't really use mods.

You insta die haha

[tall portal]

for everyone not hosting

[frail pier]

Yeah if host got a normal score and all the other clients didn't then that's the bug

[astral warren]

This game is in quite a state right now, lmao.

player is basically taking double damage at the moment, ceramic is better than steel, there's a pistol that literally doesn't have any recoil beside the generic screen punch, and there's a carbine kit categorized into the sub machine guns

Also VOID has still failed to make streamer make sense to me from a narrative standpoint. If he wasn't swatted for having NASA grade speakers he was playing his video game on, and didn't have ex machina cheese pizza in the drawer, they might have had to come up with an original narrative, instead of, "player is good guy because player shoot pdf files!!!" 🤤

I just want to know why there's rough and tough inner city gangsters defending this dude with his life, like really.

He's a fat neckbeard that plays video games, what can he possibly offer them? Some dogecoin?

[frail pier]

Shiba better

[full shore]

Can't tell if serious or copy pasta

[wet forge]

me too

I would love to de-construct that paragraph but I have a feeling it will end up as a arguement or a very long talking between multiple people.

[frail pier]

He's serious. He's stated this many times

[full shore]

To every point besides taking double the damage, who cares.

Taking more damage now seems fine because the AI is relatively weak. And it's actually hard to die. We can soak up a lot of damage so we're not really punished for mistakes

[stone stump]

the ai is definitely not weak

[frail pier]

The problem though is steel is in a shitty spot while providing no advantage. I'm cool with us tanking less shots but having steel slow you down significantly more than ceramic while taking less damage is stupid

[unreal stratus]

That is one way to put it. They're like a John Wick legion most times.

[wet forge]

when you go full lethal on them, (and sometimes magdumping even if its unnecessary) it will make them go aimbot mode.

[frail pier]

That is true^ you kill in rapid succession they'll start to act wild. But that's good I guess to slow the player down? Lol???

[wet forge]

my advice go for a much less lethal approach and use shields. everyone with enough braincells would aim for head in real life so dont underestimate the AI.

[frail pier]

Fuck em I'll keep holding W and dropping them... The AI are still somewhat weak imo

[wet forge]

had one guy do that in public game.. he got railed by the AI before he could fire a shot.

[frail pier]

He's probably shit

[wet forge]

nah previous games he was a literal speed devil but AI got tired of his shit that time lol.

he left after he got killed.

[frail pier]

I've only encountered that on relapse really. Dudes in autopsy love doing that. But I mean it happens.

Them stressing out and pushing me is what I generally want to happen though. Less room clearing

[wet forge]

also I know this is outta pocket but

somebody once said "I would hit" when we were on the port hokan

[frail pier]

Kinda weird ngl

People like that make me insta leave haha

[acoustic ridge]

hes also streaming during the raid, doesnt make sense to me why he chooses to pick up a shotgun and shoot at swat while on stream
im sure if he surrendered and explained that he got swatted he could probably have gotten away with his "images" in his room

[full shore]

Seems like the AI is either too strong or too weak. Never really an in between. Currently they're too weak imo

[wet forge]

he was pretty mentally unstable

[full shore]

Even with the damage multiplier, I find it actually difficult to die in the current state of the game

Our characters are bullet sponges

[floral oracle]

its 50/50

you either die from 1 5.56 bullet or from 10

[umbral oar]

you die from one bullet after surviving a full mag

[frail pier]

Dude had CP in his bedroom dealing it like fucking drugs. That's an understatement imo

[lone cloud]

This game is in quite a state right now, lmao.
player is basically taking double damage at the moment, ceramic is better than steel, there's a pistol that literally doesn't have any recoil beside the generic screen punch, and there's a carbine kit categorized into the sub machine guns
Also VOID has still failed to make streamer make sense to me from a narrative standpoint. If he wasn't swatted for having NASA grade speakers he was playing his video game on, and didn't have ex machina cheese pizza in the drawer, they might have had to come up with an original narrative, instead of, "player is good guy because player shoot pdf files!!!" 🤤
I just want to know why there's rough and tough inner city gangsters defending this dude with his life, like really.
He's a fat neckbeard that plays video games, what can he possibly offer them? Some dogecoin?

[prime wing]

im not trying to undermine how you feel, but anytime player numbers are brought up, i have to ask why that matters in a non live service game

Im normally a "look at the graphs 🗿 " person when it comes to live service games, but ron is not it

[amber dock]

You can’t speak to person doesn’t comprehend that

[prime wing]

just trying to act in good faith while I can

[amber dock]

You can’t please everyone

[pearl shuttle]

If it's not on the Steam top 10 charts, it's a bad game. Simple as

[lone cloud]

yup its dead and irrelevant

that fucking banana game is currently still third

[pearl shuttle]

Though honestly I'm surprised RoN still has 4,000 active players right now

Judging by the comments here you'd think it was at like 100

[lone cloud]

as far as tactical shooter games go ron is actually super active even when compared to large battle games like squad and hell let loose, etc

[pearl shuttle]

Game has a lot of issues but clearly there's enough for a decent active playerbase

Sounds like VOID should capitalize on that, eh. Hint hint?

[lone cloud]

ron battlepass

[pearl shuttle]

They're gonna paywall bug fixes

[craggy pier]

Anyone got a fix for the bug where you cannot hear your teammates use in game vc?

[silk junco]

This game is in quite a state right now, lmao.
player is basically taking double damage at the moment, ceramic is better than steel, there's a pistol that literally doesn't have any recoil beside the generic screen punch, and there's a carbine kit categorized into the sub machine guns
Also VOID has still failed to make streamer make sense to me from a narrative standpoint. If he wasn't swatted for having NASA grade speakers he was playing his video game on, and didn't have ex machina cheese pizza in the drawer, they might have had to come up with an original narrative, instead of, "player is good guy because player shoot pdf files!!!" 🤤
I just want to know why there's rough and tough inner city gangsters defending this dude with his life, like really.
He's a fat neckbeard that plays video games, what can he possibly offer them? Some dogecoin?

[grand meteor]

how the fuck do you get a S on Elephant?

the shooter just kills a random person like mid game.

[amber dock]

You have to be fast, you have max 3 minutes I think before they start shooting civs

[grand meteor]

htf do you find everyone in 3 minutes

[amber dock]

Gotta be fast like ignore all civs you see and just go for the suspect there are 3 of them you can do it

[grand meteor]

S is so hard since their are still major bugs in the game

like one time i was just arresting a guy and they just gave me a unauthorized use of force

[amber dock]

I find it very unlikely that’s a bug and more so what you did, but it can be hard to see what you did wrong since it’s a stressful situation. But it’s deffo possible

[tribal totem]

Usually you can ignore some rooms

I still can't s rank it but you can ignore some rooms, kitchen usually never has any suspects, same with that computer room

Your best bet is pretty much learning the map and optimizing how you go thru it, I'd suggest some heavy armor with ceramics and just using low ready to move quicker and just eating damage you'll inevitably take from being in low ready 24/7

Also ignoring bombs + civs until the shooters are dead

Still kinda annoyed you can't just drop the shooters for s rank tho, cuz ofc taking them in alive while they're murdering kids is clearly a priority.

Tho you can probably just beanbag them and have your ai arrest them and hope it doesn't bug out and they just ignore the command

[bronze grove]

Searching for the last civilian at the end of the mission is the worst thing about this game imo

No tension since suspects are all dead and with how open and big these maps are it just becomes a pain in the ass very fast

I got tired of searching and just shot a civilian so it would fail and i'd get to finish it

But my ai teammates just domed me instantly

I fucking hate it

[tribal totem]

Hes right about streamer tho ngl

[bronze grove]

I got so close to finishing valley of the dolls only for this bullshit to happen

[tribal totem]

Its just meh from a story perspective, would've preferred it capitalizing on the 3000000 no knock raids we did being dangerous, where it ends in him grabbing a gun from his desk thinking were intruders

Its just toothless, it doesn't have the balls to ask us if what we do is the best option

[bronze grove]

Completing bring order to chaos should also complete rescue all civilians

[tribal totem]

Its just dumb being a shootout

[bronze grove]

Fuck this mission

I toured the whole map 3 fucking times and couldnt find that civilian

[grand meteor]

It’s most likely dead

you still have to cuff them
@bronze grove check all of the body’s

[bronze grove]

If it was it wouldve failed automatically

[full shore]

I just end the mission whenever that happens. My time is not worth the silly score

[bronze grove]

Cant end without arresting the civilian

[full shore]

You can just leave the game lol

[grand meteor]

I love abusing the tear gas, throw 2 in, close the door and sen my teamates in 😄

[bronze grove]

This is my first playthrough if i dont get all these objectives i cant progress

Just allow me to end the mission once bring order to chaos is done

For fucks sake

[full shore]

Yeah that's annoying

[bronze grove]

I just cant with this fucking mission no more

Are there any suggestions channel

[tribal totem]

Have your guys search and secure in their sub teams

Then you can walk to a door order them in and they'll look around, so you can speed it up or they'll find what you missed

[bronze grove]

I toured every godfuckind damn room 3 times

[tribal totem]

I'm saying have the swat ai search, not you

[bronze grove]

I Know

[tribal totem]

They will check closets and beds you missed

[silk junco]

#📩feedback-reports-channel

[bronze grove]

I already checked everything and was just going around yelling like a maniac yet there was nobody

[weary surge]

Anyone have an issue where AI teammates find handgun ammo even after removing all their mags?

[bronze grove]

The only time i manage ot get everything right it glitches and im forced to restart

Imma just go and play something else i'm already mad enough at this game

[grand meteor]

where the fuck do i find the depression meds on elephant

[amber dock]

The what?

[umbral oar]

you dont find them they magically appear when you get a good rank

[grand meteor]

Im on a S rn

[umbral oar]

oh wrd

[grand meteor]

im missing something though, i have no clue

[umbral oar]

well theres no soft objs on the map itself

[grand meteor]

found it, its a M4

[umbral oar]

Awright

[grand meteor]

LETS GO BABY AN S!

on my 3rd attempt to, 1st one my bot just pulled hi secondary out, and my 2nd one was out of time and i did it this time

oh shit... I JUST REALISED WHAT YOU UNLOCK

YOU GET THE KID'S BRACELET...

i think the easiest S rank to get is the megabyte one

just spam tear gas in each room and you get it. took me liek 2 trys

rn the hardest one ive tried is thank you come again, such a weird layout

[woeful hedge]

is there any mod to spawn more police in multiplayer (more than 4)

[shy tulip]

In-game menu mod unless that hasn't been updated yet

[grim spear]

i cannot solo valley of the dolls for the life of me

[vale tangle]

shoot the guys with guns

[grim spear]

they shoot first:(

plus im going for S

for the cool shirt

[vale tangle]

oh

use flashbangs

and gas

[grim spear]

they shoot me through the windows

shit is mad annoying

[forest lichen]

avoid the windows

[grim spear]

when clearing bottom floor i have to

[forest lichen]

@slim fern what vest are you running on the second guy and is it a mod

[grim spear]

could someone just help me run thru this level quick?

need the shirt 🙏

[slim fern]

Its the supporter’s hrt vest

[forest lichen]

Oh so the JPC is unlocked for supporters only

Aw :(

[vale tangle]

common supporter w

[hollow citrus]

For sure, I'll send them today once I deal with my business.

[quaint igloo]

Stay safe

[cosmic bridge]

Author here, can you list all the other mods you're running?

Modded maps should appear under a separate menu at the top in the map select

[split furnace]

is it just me or are the replays hella dark

i cant even see what my character is wearing

nevermind lmao the replay feature is bugged af every door is open for some reason

[stable kernel]

Mod.io issue where it installs to he wrong place, so the game doesn’t load it. Best part is that it affects most people

[cosmic bridge]

Ah alright

yeah in that case just download from Nexus and throw it in the PAK folder

[stable kernel]

Taking it from the location it does put it works as well

Yet another reason to not use mod.io

[glacial patrol]

bro all i do is get violated, idk mouse and keyboard and controller wont work, what am i doin wrong😭

[balmy reef]

Does anyone know what recording of the Star Spangled Banner is used in 'Sins of the Father'? (https://youtu.be/gEuvEeM7qu8?si=BMkOpfquMJeOGfSY for reference) I listened through a bunch of public domain recordings but there's just too damn many and I'm too damn lazy.

[unreal stratus]

Did anyone ever got the S tier on the dance club level? For me is impossible! The bomber never surrenders to non-lethal.

[amber dock]

It’s possible, you have to shoot and spam F at same time to get him to surrender

[acoustic ridge]

stand back, if you are too close he will never surrender

[astral warren]

So basically you can't get shot in either leg or he'll just close the distance eventually and blow up.

bomb vest wearers have a speed penalty, thank god, but if the player's leggies are shooted then they're slower, and then they can catch you.

I'm not sure if you can even get shot in the legs enough without dying for that to even happen atm because of the damage cap being broken actually.

Also has anyone noticed the suspects sometimes becoming unresponsive once they've been discovered in a hiding place, like a closet? I just had to shoot this guy in the face because he wouldn't surrender or shoot at me, and no amount of poking him with my gun or shooting him in the dick with bean bag rounds made him surrender.

[frail pier]

Happens sometimes on hospital. Dude in the bathrooms hides right behind the door and sometimes he'll just stand there pistol pointing at you but not shooting. The bathroom by child's play room and bomb before you cross bridge.

Other times he will in fact try to blick you lol

[astral warren]

I've also seen instances where suspects will enter the hesitation animation and then teleport into a shooting stance, not fire or say shit, but then after they immediately go back to the hesitation animation.

How do I arrest incorporeal beings that defy the fabric of reality? Is this some kind of philosophical metaphor?

Also easily my favourite bug is when a suspect surrenders, but then goes to pull a gun, and before the animation even has played long enough for me to notice he's moving, my SWAT squad mates, seemingly to me, instantly execute him for the hell of it.

The only reason I knew what happened is there were 2 guns at his feet instead of 1.

[frail pier]

Out of all these you know what I find painful?

when a fucking suspect does the Michael Jackson on me while staggering backwards

[orchid imp]

carriers of the vine is crazy scary aint doing that one again

[frail pier]

My brain fucking melts and I can't aim for something moving like that. Throws me off so much lol

[astral warren]

I just want suspects to abide by the laws of physics, if that isn't too much to ask.

[orchid imp]

what seems to bother you?

[astral warren]

The way that whenever they interact with anything they typically have to slide 1 to 3 meters towards it to complete said task.

[orchid imp]

rarely happens to me

[umbral oar]

them teleporting from hesitation to raised is mad annoying

[astral warren]

^ this is a day 1 problem VOID still hasn't remedied, unironically, it's kind of impressive.

If VOID wants us to play like police we need to be dealing with humans in the game, and they clearly are not human, especially not the gas station robbers, they can just eat a 7.62x51 AP round to the chest and be like, "Eh, that didn't feel good, but I'm still in the fight!"

Like ??? why would I use the battle rifle if it doesn't drop unarmoured folk like a sack of potatoes???

Should call it a skirmish rifle instead.

[frail pier]

They're on meth. But JHP solves that problem with 7.62x51

Half the time if a suspect is inside the clerk counter he'll give up lol without even telling him to.

[blazing glade]

they killed a dog at Gas, they are not human at all!

[frail pier]

Facts

[magic fog]

i got it to work but the only maps i have are hotel and lustful remorse, also, amazing map man! that was loads of fun going through it!

[cosmic bridge]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for playing

[quaint zephyr]

gamers does the asr break provide less recoil than the sfmb or is the asr pointless on the sa-fiddy ate sorry i have like 4 hours of playtime

[vale tangle]

maybe

[quaint zephyr]

we need arcteryx jackets for this game

[vale tangle]

bro i see enough of those

[quaint zephyr]

im so serious if i cant blow some junkies head smoove off and have it bead im gonna snap

if you're not arced up what are you soouper

[vale tangle]

that shit is originally from my area i see enough of it irl

and i had a buddy with some insanely high discount he could have let me use but it’s just not my thing

[quaint zephyr]

nvm arc specifically doesnt do le

yeah my dad has a discount but i just love goretex because i live in nowheresville GA

i would probably hate it too if i saw it everyday

[stone bay]

there are cases of people getting shot 11-15 times and still fighting, its not too far off from reality to be fair. a heart shot no but who knows what kind of stimulants someone could be on

[forest lichen]

adrenaline kicking in

so uh, put one in the head for good measure

the mozambique drill/failure drill

[stone bay]

mix of adrenaline and illicit substances

but yes head taps are preferable. theres actually a story from chicago where this well known gang member got shot like 20 times and he was off molly during that time. the doctors told him they don’t even know how he lived through it, he was completely calm and collected while bleeding everywhere as well. people tend to underestimate how tough the human body really is, but also how fragile it can be at the same time.

my craziest ron experience was head tapping the scalp off a suspect and he was still alive just screaming💀 it was insane

[forest lichen]

the indomitable human spirit

[forest lichen]

Ok maybe I see now why AI Officers in Commander Mode are stressed everytime

[stone bay]

ive noticed the more missions you do successfully the less likely they are to get stressed

[forest lichen]

Desensitised

[stone bay]

i mean you would have to be to be seeing things like that to a degree, most EMTs are extremely desensitized

[forest lichen]

Humanity is scary

[stone bay]

humanity is comparable to more evolved chimps honestly. chimps are known to go to war with eachother, commit murder and do many heinous things just like humanity does.

[balmy reef]

Does anyone know what recording of the Star Spangled Banner is used in 'Sins of the Father'? (https://youtu.be/gEuvEeM7qu8?si=BMkOpfquMJeOGfSY for reference)

I combed through a LOT of public domain recordings but I still haven't recognized the one RoN samples. There's so damn many and I'm too damn lazy. Would appreciate if someone helped me out.

[pale isle]

Okay, just a quick question for anyone that might know, but are there AI generated images in the game? I was watching a youtube video on some of the lore and the magazine for the Los Suenos times has a garbled mess of a cover that looks very AI generated. There're even some people pointing out the anime, movie posters, and even the DnD play mats on the table in the streamer level also showed signs of it being AI generated.

[tacit gull]

Yes

[dawn birch]

At least they only use AI for small props only... It's fine by my standard.

[tacit gull]

The use of AI is probably the least of this game's problems

[pale isle]

That...really fucking sucks to hear. First the community drove me away from the game, now the developers themselves have lost me.

[brazen wolf]

So, I haven't played this game for probably 8-9 months or so now.
How is the AI now? Will they still 180 headshot you or come running at you and headshot you? In other words do they not shoot you in the head as quickly as they used to?
I remember this game regularly seeming like you had no chance against some enemies, they were just crazy versions of John wick often times

[tacit gull]

Compared to 1.0? It got super nerfed, no other real improvements to it though

They don't shoot you as fast, however the last suspect will always rush you and try to shoot you in the head without you knowing where he is

[brazen wolf]

Oh cool that's not terrifying at all

[tacit gull]

The biggest change i've felt outside of lower accuracy, bullets that interact with walls and weapons that don't melt you randomly is the fact that they hesitate slightly longer

[brazen wolf]

Well that's good at least. Sounds like it might be a bit better

Are there still door traps on every level?

And I think it might have actually been a year or so since I last played. I definitely didn't play at full release

[tacit gull]

If you didn't play at "full release" then you haven't been through the worst of it

If you last played on the ADAM update then the AI got dumbed down even further

[plush leaf]

Yes but now I still got shot by an AI with his back facing me so...

[forest lichen]

i may hate AI but don't let that distract you from what the game has to offer

nvm he's gone

[wet forge]

I sometimes remember the suspects death but its rare and sometimes I question if the thing I am doing is the right thing to do.

[bitter mason]

There was never door traps on every level. They’re only on some levels

[acoustic ridge]

(lethal, ides, sins, probably more)

[forest lichen]

who are said suspects

[umbral oar]

i feel like people want to hate the game so they imagine things

[native rune]

People really be going about their day with door traps existing being the deal breaker for them

[frail pier]

The worst was the best tho

[rancid badge]

ready or not VR mode

[leaden warren]

i just realized when replaying greased palms to S that the office youre supposed to locate is FISA, and the people in the last mission telling you to close the doors are also FISA. If fisa aint evil then idk whats going on

[tawny basin]

i feel like wallbangs through concrete should be fixed

[leaden warren]

thats a thing?

[tawny basin]

yea watch my video on ron media

[leaden warren]

well realistically, thats drywall. its incredibly thin and can easily be shot through since its a american apartment house

[tawny basin]

i mean, with my pistol sometimes the bullet doesnt even pass through a wooden door , so i dont know why from that distance that should be a thing for the npc

[leaden warren]

seems like they were shooting with a AK or something like that. a assault rifle 100% tho. A Assault rifle has 10x the punch of a handgun and can easily rip through walls. A shotgun would realistically if we had destructive enviroments rip directly through a wall normally, but lose all its force on impact

[wet forge]

not the amos voll but sometimes when the avarage suspect goes trough some horrible death animation it kinda sticks to me.

[tawny basin]

if that was an ak the npc would have started shooting full auto

[leaden warren]

30 rounds of blackout straight up ripping through them, the valley of the dolls suspects deserve it lowkey

[leaden warren]

not necesarelly no

[wet forge]

better way to deal with him. everybody grabs 3 CS gas grenades, then put him into the barrel room and let the fun begin :D.

[tawny basin]

after a little while yas, them npcs always go full auto, btw was a makarov

[sly nest]

The only one that stuck with me was because it was scary and cool at the same time, Kicking a door into a Volls guard, and immidiately doming them with a snubnose .357 the way their head went back with that single loud as heck shot.

[rancid badge]

anyone just crash out in ron and kill everyone

[sly nest]

sometimes...

[tawny basin]

so kinda not likely to pass trough

[tawny basin]

always lmao, espcially with the shotgun

[rancid badge]

especially when they pull the phone out to record instead of getting down on the ground 😭

[tawny basin]

so funny killing the suspects tho

[rancid badge]

the gore is crazy

[tawny basin]

cuz u after a shot in the head their face is gone

btw i need that extended mag for the 1911

[leaden warren]

then idk

[leaden warren]

"we stay professional" he says as he shoots a already arrested suspect into their head

[bronze grove]

Yo does the mission auto fail if i dont find the bombs in time on elephant ?

Nvm i just found out

[sly nest]

I do that a lot with suspects who either hid somewhere, or shot a civilian before giving up

[leaden warren]

and everyone on valley of the dolls and mindjot

[umbral oar]

💀

[bronze grove]

Shit legit just jumpscared me

Imma try again later

[wet forge]

btw school shooters do yell like a civillian and ambush you in-game.. didnt jumpscare me but made me more angry at them.

[bronze grove]

How long does it take for the bombs to explode btw ?

[wet forge]

I think 10 minutes

[bronze grove]

Oh yeah right

[wet forge]

on hospital it takes around 30 minutes

[bronze grove]

Seems like i cant take it slow this time

Sucks

[sly nest]

Chris approves

It is tradition to warm-up on Valley of the Dolls

as mentioned on Q&A

[umbral oar]

but… they dont like what amos does

he didnt appoint an entire team of pedos

[wet forge]

from what I know most of these people (bolton security and mindjot) do it because they need the money. sooo just shoot the amos voll not the workers (unless they are connected to the sniper thing)

[tawny basin]

yessssirrr

[bronze grove]

I dont think 10 minutes is enough to get the bombs on elephant

Moment i filled the school shooters with lead imma go for bombs

[royal nimbus]

did they reduce the timer? it used to be 30 min

[leaden warren]

from what i know its always been 10 but could be, im not really sure

[rain basin]

I just want to know, what are your guy's favorite loadouts? ideally including armor + plate type and coverage, gun + modifications, munition slots, long tactical, and headwear

[frail pier]

10 mins for elephant. 30 mins for hospital.

[royal nimbus]

oh

[winter pendant]

I main the ARN 180 and the USP. I have been playing this game for a really long time so I don't use armor or a helmet anymore. The gunfighter mod allows me to still wear a gas mask despite that. If I need extra equipment slots, I'll use the stab vest. I alternate between flashbang launcher and breaching shotgun depending on the mission, and i try to take a split amount of gas and flashes. Oh and always a taser.

[frail pier]

Why no armor?

[winter pendant]

More challenge. Fewer slots and less bullet sponge. Forces you to play more cautiously.

[rain basin]

when you play do you play with swat ai, friends, or just full solo

[frail pier]

Fair

[winter pendant]

When i play solo, I use a glock and a beaner and roleplay as a cop. When I am with AI, i use the above loadout plus the stab vest for more slots. I like the AI. I have a couple ppl I'll play with in multi but i find most public lobbies insufferable

[frail pier]

Doesn't gunfighter already have extra slots?

[winter pendant]

Yeah, not with no armor though I think

[frail pier]

Oh weird it wouldn't. Realistically with suspect count you don't need more than 2 mags lol.

[winter pendant]

Agree

Sometimes on harder maps I need more solo

But in multi or with a team you shouldn't need more than two

[rain basin]

would you say that something like the ARN-180 is more effective than something like the SA-58 OSW

[frail pier]

Depends on map

[winter pendant]

Yeah, that gun bounces like heck

[frail pier]

Nahhh it's not bad at all.

300blk fucks on relapse though with JHP.

But then again 600 of my hours are exclusively using the SA58

[winter pendant]

Weird gun I like would be the mp5/10mm. It has a 2 round burst that is pretty nice.

[rain basin]

is there specific attachments for the ARN-180 that you prefer and what do you think of the new DM4PDW because it seems rather short and has .300 blackout

[winter pendant]

I think it recoils too hard, sadge

[frail pier]

Combat grip, laser, sfmb brake.

[winter pendant]

I always use the flashlight. I just prefer it. Good for sighting, gesturing, identifying, whatever. SRS and the... What is it, M68? The red dot with the knob on top

Gunfighter changes how the handgrips work so that's moot

On the USP I'll use a regular old laser for the once in a while i use a shield

[frail pier]

Doesn't it also change recoil.

[rain basin]

one thing i really wish this game did was give actual specifics of what certain attachments do like the suppressor says increased accuracy but what does that mean

[winter pendant]

Prolly

[rain basin]

also stuff says it reduces recoil but by how much

[frail pier]

The least stats the more it affects it. There's a Google doc explaining the actual numbers

[rain basin]

would you have a link to it

[frail pier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/htmlview#

[winter pendant]

Yeah idk... My two favorite things about gunfighter are the better weapon stances and the ability to equip multiple headgears at once.

[frail pier]

The weapon stances need to be vanilla on god

[winter pendant]

For real. They feel so good.

[river tide]

hospital you will need more

[frail pier]

No not really.

[river tide]

yes you will

[winter pendant]

Gunfighter stance makes you feel like you're there instead of playing a videogame

[frail pier]

Again no... I have video clears only reloading once. It's 16-19 suspects with 300blk that can 2 shot... so 15 incaps per mag..

It's not like I've tested this shit out or anything.

[river tide]

it also depends on the gun

some guns have more ammo than others and some can do more damage than others like sa58 has less ammo but one good shot is a one shot to anybody

[frail pier]

Not on relapse the SA58 is 2 shot center mass. Welcome to health modifiers

[river tide]

“center mass” i said a well aimed shot

center is just where you’ll usually shoot because it’s the easiest and biggest area

[frail pier]

All rifles headshot 1 shot on hospital. At that point it's possible with 1 mag.

[tacit gull]

"A well aimed shot" isn't really something that's gonna happen that often unless the suspects aren't aware of you, which on hospital they always are

[frail pier]

^

It's easier to just 2 tap chest and be done with it lol.

But again SA58 will incap 2 shot chest the same as all other rifles on that level. This is why 300blk and 7.62x39 JHP fuck on that map. Limb damage people..

Plus they only have L3

[full shore]

Every rifle can 2 shot a suspect if you hit center mass

The enemies aren't anywhere close to as spongey as we are

[frail pier]

Yes they are.

Good chunk of the maps the SA58 1 shots center mass. Gas Station with JHP and that gun is the only one that can one shot center mass.

[winter pendant]

I've shot suspects in the head and they lived

[frail pier]

Pistol?

[tawny basin]

brooo fr

[winter pendant]

Pistol and rifle, though rifle is more rare

[tawny basin]

that is real, sometimes before they die they shoot you 2 times

[frail pier]

I've never seen it with a rifle. Pistol yeah I've seen only incaps.

[full shore]

That's why you keep shooting until the suspect is down

Which is why I use almost exclusively the sr16 bc follow up shots are very easy

[tawny basin]

btw them suspects have a really good aim when they are running, this cant be real lol

should be nerfed a little bit

[frail pier]

I used to shit on 5.56 till I realized it performs and handles better on some maps. Narcos is chill with it.

[winter pendant]

To be fair I think all of the rifle ones missed the killbox

[frail pier]

Wdym?

[winter pendant]

Still though, brain matter missing, suspects will play dead and get back up

Killbox meaning the brain stem

[tawny basin]

if i am a swat i cant be having a hard time getting the target while im in movement, why some criminals shoud have a better aim than me when they are in movement

[frail pier]

OH

[tacit gull]

That's not a thing lmao

Though if the damage system was that advanced it would be cool to have a minuscule chance for suspects to get up

[frail pier]

The only way I can see that happening is on like lethal obsession or something with health modifiers. But even then idk

[winter pendant]

Fatal triangle? Mr. T's Very Bad Day? What is it called lmao

[tacit gull]

head

[frail pier]

Dome

[winter pendant]

🙄

[tawny basin]

btw a shot of a rifle in the middle of the chest its fatal

[full shore]

Not always

[frail pier]

Tell that to gas station boys cranked on meth

Or cracked out insurgents in fallujah

[tawny basin]

fr, but if u hit the mid chest with a 5.56 80% u die even under meth

[frail pier]

Idk never been shot so can't relate to that.

[full shore]

It depends. Most likely you can still survive as long as your heart and spine are okay. Modern medicine is really good

[tacit gull]

It depends on what it hits, yeah

[tawny basin]

😂 yea type shi, but ive seen many vids of ppl getting shot, so idk maybe should be fatal

[frail pier]

Lung might leave the chat

[full shore]

And it also depends on the velocity of the bullet when it hits you. That's also a huge factor. Especially 5.56 coming out from a shorter barrel

[tawny basin]

yea u can survive later, but i mean u either die or loose conscience

[rain basin]

do you know what the deadzone change is for weapon attachments also thank you so much this is extremely useful

[tacit gull]

deadzone is basically how much your weapon can deviate when moving around, but it's barely noticable with the current values

[winter pendant]

I thought dead zones were only a thing on controllers

[full shore]

You generally only lose consciousness if you lose too much blood or go into shock. Not bc you were shot

You're watching too many movies bro

[frail pier]

Yeah it's kinda useless. You can't escape that shit. There's some goof tech you can do to really minimize it but if you're playing seriously probably not what you wanna do.

[tacit gull]

If gun handling is overhauled (I.E. Squad ICO) it'll probably make a difference

[winter pendant]

I'd sooner get my mouse sensitivity dialed in than mess with that

(Just worth saying)

[frail pier]

At that point it'll probably make it not viable if gunplay gets to that level. First version of ICO made me so fucking angry. It's in a good state now.

[tacit gull]

I personally love aiming deadzone in videogames, i loved it in insurgency as a game mechanic and i love turning it on in arma to fuck around

[frail pier]

Yall know about boost launching in RoN? Haha

[tawny basin]

wha

[frail pier]

Hehehe

Don't tell devs lmaooo

[winter pendant]

Rocket jumping in Ron???

[tacit gull]

I haven't gotten to play with it since i haven't bought Squad, but i absolutely love the visuals of it

rip

[winter pendant]

I was oofed

[tacit gull]

I saw a lot of people complaining that you had no accuracy or that ADS took too long after sprint and i mean i think that makes sense from a gameplay perspective

[tawny basin]

what is that lol, i only got teleported once

[frail pier]

I used to play comp before ICO. I miss the old gunplay but naturally lone wolfing was dumb as fuck lowkey. Nah you could sprint for barely a second and have stupid noodle arms. Now it's like anything under 50% stamina and you got noodles. It's in a way better spot.

But suppression mechanics are amazing now. Overall the game is in a good spot if you look past the shit bugs that can be game breaking at times

[tawny basin]

btw for me they should nerf a little bit the suspects, they are more accurate than me, even when they running even when they're still, while in the other hand, if my character moves while aiming, it becomes very hard to aim well

[umbral oar]

skill issue

[frail pier]

For some reason animation cancelling with breach and shooting while interacting with a door makes you do a dash almost. It takes awhile to make consistent. Hard to use in speedruns except on like first door you encounter kind of deal.

[winter pendant]

Agree they should nerf suspect strafe accuracy but otherwise nah

[tawny basin]

yeah huh, did u complete the game without dying anytime to say that?

[umbral oar]

wym? ironman? yeah

[winter pendant]

Lol yes

[tawny basin]

nah not that, i mean the first play

[umbral oar]

no one is surviving their first game

[winter pendant]

...? So your argument is so that the game should be easier when you first play it...?

[frail pier]

Revert back to 1.0 launch AI

[full shore]

This tbh lol

[umbral oar]

launch ai i think i died on cherryessa

[tawny basin]

nah bruh, just pointed that the suspects are a bit too op while they're in movement, lol too many lucky shots

[full shore]

1.0 launch was fun bc it was very challenging

[tawny basin]

u didnt survive your first game

[frail pier]

Facts

1.0 AI made tacs feel needed. Now you can run at suspects, tank and just play COD almost

[tacit gull]

1.0 bullshit isn't really the solution, the AI just need to make smarter moves and be unpredictable, not be able to laser the player through walls

[full shore]

1.0 you could not make mistakes. You'd actually die for being out of position even for a second

[tacit gull]

Neither what we have now nor 1.0 are good directions for the game to head in

[frail pier]

You should be wallbanged.

But not behind multiple walls. Only where it makes sense

[tacit gull]

Not with 0 damage falloff between walls (only for the suspects, your bullets work fine)

[full shore]

I agree. As long as it is warranted. Like you were on the other side of a door prepping to breach

[tacit gull]

I really think high skill suspects should unload into doors if they hear you and they're covering the door

[frail pier]

Or a floor above and a suspect can easily hear a fat ass swat guy in heavy Armor above him

[tacit gull]

It would make walking a lot more useful

[full shore]

This happened in the sins map on 1.0 launch. I was surprised and so happy that they added that to the game

[tacit gull]

I think that only happens if you kick the door in though

[full shore]

I saved a clip. It was amazing. I was actually happy they wall banged me while hiding in a corner inside the room lol

[winter pendant]

I think more behaviors are the way to go. I'd rather they stop tweaking accuracy altogether besides the strafing and just focus on making ppl smart and or crazy

[tawny basin]

fr

[tacit gull]

While that is true the current values for the AI are beyond fucked

[winter pendant]

Insert yo momma joke here

[tacit gull]

I'd rather they atleast make them make sense on top of adding new behaviours and making the current ones make sense

The most plainly obvious being the stun immunities and armor assignments

[winter pendant]

They did fix pepper spray... Eventually

[tacit gull]

What did they fix about it?

Oh, being able to reload? Might aswell not bother

[frail pier]

You can carry more than 1 can now

[tacit gull]

Pepper genuienly has no use in the game currently, if i want to stun someone i'll just use the taser, i'd rather not risk getting shot or someone else getting shot while the suspect is unphased in their morale

[winter pendant]

This is the part where i leave cause you're cranky

[frail pier]

Pepper is good for a bunch of suspects surrendered if you don't want them standing back up. Spray to the face.

[tacit gull]

Untill you get penalised for using it

[frail pier]

But same goes for VKS if you use the AOE of it

IIRC it doesn't penalize. May be wrong

[umbral oar]

remember you could solo maps with pepper spray

[tacit gull]

If you use it long enough on someone who's surrendered it'll penalize you

So i'd rather just not risk it, i can use gas for that but that's super expensive

[frail pier]

Don't waste the whole can on one dude💀

[tacit gull]

The suspects also fake surrender so rarely that it's just never been a problem imho

It's always one of the 2 extremes with this game: either it never happens so you don't even have to mind it or it happens so often and so predictably that you know exactly when it's gonna happen

[frail pier]

Yeah less telegraphed weapon pulls from surrendered state would be dope

[green prawn]

In your opinion: What levels / maps would be a great addition to what we’ve been given so far?

[acoustic ridge]

more realistic maps like gas station and watt instead of responding to terrorist attacks/rouge secret service

[frail pier]

Debanco raid when

[winter pendant]

never 😦

[green prawn]

I actually think terrorist attacks are pretty realistic for the context especially for the area the game is based on

[frail pier]

Honestly it'd fit the story for the most part.

[winter pendant]

debanco would pay off the cops

[acoustic ridge]

not realistic to send 5 swat after 15+ heavily armed terrorists

[green prawn]

This part is very true

[frail pier]

Nah I'm saying crims go in and take hostages ect because they're mad at the current events. So we go in and remove them. Uncovering some other lore shit in the process.

[winter pendant]

getting tired of helping the baddies

[frail pier]

I love helping the baddies

[green prawn]

I think for only 5 swat officers we should be seeing more like 4u and less like greased palms

In terms of enemy count*

[acoustic ridge]

greased palms has context of suspects shooting at cops/detectives, imo they would send more than 5 esp for such a large area

[frail pier]

Ahh this topic

[green prawn]

And there’s even a federal agent held up there lol why not send in an army

Maybe there could be a way to have way more team members who you can control through the cams on single player

[bitter mason]

how about another topic
sprint
ye or ne
I say ne

[frail pier]

Ye

If your argument is running and gunning it already happens.

[bitter mason]

my argument is I dont think it fits with the pacing of the game and I've never personally felt like having a sprint would be useful
outside of like, elephant but that maps is just ass anyways

[green prawn]

#💬general-discussion message

[bitter mason]

I usually think making the comparison to other games is usually a weak argument in some cases so I tend to avoid it

[winged peak]

Honestly I would like for there to be a sprint if not a faster running method especially after bringing order to chaos

[frail pier]

I think it fits the pacing of the game just fine. If anything you'll probably die more often while running and gunning hahaha

[bitter mason]

but I do think the games playerbase is split on how the game should be played. Some people love to speed through as fast as they can shooting everyone, and others like to take it slow and treat it like an actual swat shooter

I'd be happy with a slight speed increase overall maybe. Especially when low ready
but Im never sure about a full on sprint or dash system

[frail pier]

Agreed. We shouldn't be sprinting like fucking COD. But this is a PVE game at the end of the day. If you don't like that mechanic then don't use it.

[bitter mason]

more than anything I think its suspects need a bit toning down in speed when firing. and if they do move quickly when firing have them waaaayy less accurate

and yeah the fact the maps are just a bit too big at times makes the civvie/evidence hunt a slow ass ball ache

I've seen people mention a lot how they cant sprint into cover or anything. But all I think of when people bring that up is they have just bad positioning. If you are in a position where you are too in the open and cant back off or get to cover with the current speed then I think you're doing something wrong

[green prawn]

I agree

[full shore]

This tbh

Sprint is like a get out of jail for free card

[bitter mason]

most maps are pretty CQB to begin with
so if you cant deal with a threat in time, or get to cover when taking fire. Thats on you

[green prawn]

^^^

I think fixes with AI would solve most people’s complaints about not being able to sprint too

[frail pier]

This was brought up on reddit the other day. Someone complained about it would cause people to run and gun... which already happens by a huge margin. But you at the end of the day you're in control who you play with. If you wanna play slow and tactical play with others that are like minded. You wanna be a speed demon killing civs because you can? Go for it...But just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you need to force it onto others. Again PVE at the end of the day. I can see sprinting useful in some spots but people already use low/high ready movement to get out of shit spots. If anything I'd wanna see us tanking less shots with added movement of some sort. Give and take situation...

[native rune]

If sprint gets added map design is going to have to take it into account

[bitter mason]

maps already can be too large and open 😬

[full shore]

Adding sprint will also ruin PvP if they ever add it. It'll just be another sweaty speedfest

[frail pier]

Majority of the time you don't even need to use cover. With current balancing sprint would make shit worse. Again if we were less of a bullet sponge then fine. Let people who aren't in good position still get abused. Sprinting wouldn't save you much there if we took less shots to die.

[native rune]

To be honest I don’t get the map too large complaint. Surprise, not every location police go to is a straight forward shoothouse. What would be cool is the addition of a larger team, or for Gods sake some better stack up locations in outdoor areas, aside from one or none at all.

[tranquil spear]

Hello should I buy the game rn? Is it active? It is on sale coz.

[full shore]

If you're not engaging a threat already from cover, you already messed up in your positioning imo

[bitter mason]

best case
players are slightly less spongy
Suspects are balanced better in aggression accuracy etc, prevent the player becoming swiss cheese after every level even when playing your cards right.
Movement speed could maybe be slightly increased but no sprint added.
I'd be happy with this

[winged peak]

I think there should be faster movement after clearing the map

[bitter mason]

yeah, and even if you are forced into the open like a hallway or something, you should already be watching for anything. And if you do end up dying thats a fault either with your reactions or the suspect ai being a bit too crazy.

[bitter mason]

that would be good too

[frail pier]

TBH I wanna see sprinting in some form. I wanna have those times where I hear a civ screaming about to be killed or taken hostage by an active shooter and I sprint my fat ass towards that danger and try to defuse or take him out without innocent blood spilled.

[full shore]

Alternatively having an option for speed decrease will also be nice for pie-ing

[frail pier]

In another world I guess though

[bitter mason]

I feel thats where low ready does best
like I said just make it a bit faster
would like a proper equipment weight system also rather than the crappy points system

[winged peak]

Imo the worst part of the game is after you’ve cleared the map and are looking for civs, especially the process of slowly moving from one place to another. It’s really bad on maps like Port and Greased palms

[bitter mason]

let me bulk out for some levels at the cost of speed
and lighten up on equipment for others for added speed

[frail pier]

Then at that point that's your sprint... it's already used in place for a sprint by a lot of people.

[bitter mason]

tru

only thing, I dont want it to be like
super fast or anything
just maybe a bit faster than it already is

[frail pier]

No I agree we shouldn't be moving stupid fast.

[bitter mason]

pretty sure gunfighter increases player movement and that feels good to me at that speed

[winged peak]

Depends on your plates

[frail pier]

Yeah that too

[winged peak]

With steel plates in gunfighter you move like ass

[full shore]

I'm okay with sprint being added as long as there is a huge deceleration and ads debuff when you stop

[winged peak]

Ceramic isn’t very fast either but it might(?) be faster than vanilla

[bitter mason]

steel plates vanilla you move like ass
but thats acceleration

[full shore]

This will make it impossible to run and gun

[bitter mason]

all plates have the same movement speed
its the acceleration that is different
and base game ceramic hardly has any difference compared to kevlar.
ceramic is just the best armour in every single way

[frail pier]

Yeah I'd be cool with some form of debuff on weapons after coming out of sprint.

[frail pier]

Its front only ceramic that's as close to kevlar?

Front and back or even full on heavy is noticeable as hell compared to kevlar

[native rune]

“Gunfighter movement: Gobal move speed is 107% of vanilla

Increase debuff when getting hit;
Per leg per injured will cause 8% of move speed reduce. It means that after each leg is seriously injured(go deep red), the movement speed will be reduced by 16%,maximum reduction of 32% when both leg broken”

[frail pier]

Hehe broken legs should slow you down even more than it does in vanilla

[bitter mason]

suspects should also get significant penalties when hit
dont even think they get any right now

[full shore]

Suspects fold too easily already

[winged peak]

Had that a couple of times it’s better to just restart if you can

[frail pier]

The penalty they get is arterial bleeding haha. That's the closest thing I can think of.

[bitter mason]

if they do there needs to be animations to make it clear
need them to limp when hit in the leg

even drop their gun when shot in the hand if its bad enough. Or just a big accuracy penalty

[native rune]

“Remove the move deacceleration and reduce spalling penalty of the steel plate;”

[wet forge]

I have an idea

they should add a negotiation tactics into the game. any opinions about my opinion?

[tired cosmos]

I think its great but how would it work?

[wet forge]

like trying to talk em out of that situation or making them compromise even for few seconds for a arrest or non-lethal.

it would be bit hard to implement I think

[green prawn]

I feel like this would be good but at the start of missions many times TOC says negotiations have been unsuccessful and that’s why the team is clear to proceed

But if you’re talking about impromptu negotiations like telling a suspect behind a doorway they’d be gassed if they don’t get on the floor may be interesting, I’d think the same thing would be accomplished with just telling them to get down regularly though

Maybe queue up a breach and gas or other, then the yelling switches from get down to get down or you will be stinged or gassed, and that increases the chances of some suspects surrendering

I think that might be a problem though whenever an opening is just open, suspects are far more likely to engage first compared to being behind a door

The aspects already existing in RoN are probably hard enough to implement, but a funny idea would to be queuing breaches on both sides of a room and then telling the suspect they’re surrounded

One tripe I have right now is whenever telling a civilian to get down from behind a door they usually just don’t, but then they’ll be completely compliant the moment you open the door. Especially when the attackers have different and thick accents I don’t see why civilians would have an issue complying 3 feet away blocked by a door

[bitter mason]

eeeh I feel like theres no points
Negotiation usually happens before the swat team make entry
suspects just need some more non-aggressive behaviours and ROE should be more strict in certain maps
Simple one would be the heistate/fake surrender that SWAT 4 has and actually make suspects have a chance to run away without shooting at you

[wet forge]

hold up doesnt swat 4 have like dropping the weapon when shot on the arm mechanic?

[bitter mason]

at most they could play into negotiators having done something in the briefings. again like how some swat 4 missions would have suspects with gasmasks or body armour because negotiators gave them it in exchange for some hostages

[bitter mason]

yeap for suspects

[wet forge]

they should implement it tbh it would be a lot more helpful than what I proposed on here.

[bitter mason]

surrenders work different to RoN also Im pretty sure
more random based off of their morale rather than the weird decision making ron suspects have.
Dropping their weapon damages suspect morale quite a bit, even more if they dont have a backup. Basically garuntees a surrender

[green prawn]

Whenever I hit a suspect in the hand they just get incapacitated lol

[wet forge]

what you even hitting them with? 7.62?

[green prawn]

I forger last time I did that but they poked their hand from a corner

[wet forge]

or wait lemme guess shotgun?

[bitter mason]

from what im aware, RoN's suspects dont get any physical debuffs with damage.
SWAT 4 suspects will limp and move slower on hits to the leg, arm shots will reduce their accuracy. And hand shots (or higher damaging arm shots im not sure) cause them to drop their gun

[green prawn]

It was a rifle I just ferger which one
Shotguns are not good imo

[bitter mason]

I've had suspects in ron surrender after taking a shot to the hand so it kinda looks like they dropped it after being shot but pretty sure it was just a surrender

[wet forge]

nah they are overkill on almost all occasions and sometimes they play aiming animation before surrendering.. killed few because of that.

[bitter mason]

yyyep the animations are really really bad

they'll hesitate, suddenly point their weapon for about a second and then surrender

[green prawn]

I haven’t had a problem so far but maybe that’s because I go super slow or I don’t have much time in the game

[bitter mason]

visual readability and even audio readability is pretty damn bad in ron

[bitter mason]

im always taking things slow and trying to get arrests
could just be an ai mod I have but tbh could very easily be vanilla

[green prawn]

Not to be a larper but I guess it could be considered more realistic

has an AI mod
issue isn’t completely isolated to vanilla 💀

Going back to realism, the 4u robbers shouldn’t react the same for surrendering as the terrorist group

[bitter mason]

Realism shouldnt come at the cost of gameplay

[wet forge]

well I hope they fix that but from what I heard they are slow on that. anyone mind explaining why?

[bitter mason]

I agree with this though, they're definitely easier to take alive than in later maps but it doesnt feel that much different

[bitter mason]

AI is tricky to get right. But its not really known why void have been so bad at doing Suspect AI
1.0 they were probably the worst I've seen in terms of how crazy they were. It was genuinely horrible to play if you didnt want to just shoot everyone.
But the only changes they end up making are pretty face value stuff, like reaction times and damage. When the issues are far deeper than just that

[green prawn]

I feel like animations should be analyzed for this and see if it’s the mod or vanilla only isolating the issue
Like if you could get a clip of it or something
I know there’s been vanilla AI issues before and some AI snipe me across the map through a penny sized hole

[bitter mason]

people often looked straight to enemy accuracy and calling them john wick but really the issue to me is just lack of variety and bad animations.

[green prawn]

Shooting through a penny sized hole isn’t John wick, it’s bad 💀

[bitter mason]

My assumption is that the AI mod I have making suspects more likely to surrender is just making a vanilla issue more noticable. Since vanilla AI usually will commit to non-compliance without being stunned
if they do their whole hesitation thing, they will pretty much end it with trying to kill you.
Whereas the mod I have actually makes them have a chance to surrender

[wet forge]

werent they working on new better detection codes?

[green prawn]

I’d give an exception to any suspects who have previous firearm training but twiddle poo face at 4u gas station shouldn’t snipe me with an SMG

[bitter mason]

yeah, I dont think they've added it yet. Im hoping the next big update will make some big improvements to suspect AI from a behavioural and animation standpoint. They have shown off different wip animations we are yet to see
like a heavier animation set for MG wielding suspects and proper taser reactions

[green prawn]

The team AI should be improved as well

[bitter mason]

They have changed up CS gas, one thing that was an issue in 1.0 is suspects could see clean through CS gas which at the time was completely opaque.
Rn they added some transparency to the gas making it possible to see through it slightly, and added some voxel based stuff to lower suspects accuracy when firing through it and actually making the gas spread rather than being instant like it used to be

[bitter mason]

Yeah, they've definitely made a huge leap with them since early access. mostly just some rough spots need ironing out more than anything

[wet forge]

btw I just heard there was some kind of ARG

[bitter mason]

yeah idk if its even relevant much now.
Kinda died ages ago. idk if they brought it back or anything

Void's weird deep lore story telling that requires a lot of digging or watching youtube to learn about from what I know

[wet forge]

yea time to become new game theorists I'll guess

[bitter mason]

RON has a bit of a whole alt universe conspiracy sub plot buried in its lore
never cared too much about it personally

Void arent that good at writing their stories imo. They lack subtlety

[rain basin]

would anyone know a reason as to why every mission i play in 90% of time the ai just shoot my arms

[wet forge]

those areas are the only places they usually can hurt when you wear armor like ceramic or steel

usually first 5 to 10 shots hit there before a possible lucky shot might hit your face from what I learned. they always aim towards neck area.

[bitter mason]

AI generally aim centre mass and thats usually where your arms are when holding a gun
if you got ceramic on, you wont really see the hits you take since the armour will block the shots completely until it breaks

[wet forge]

I remember going against rifle caliber armed suspects with MP5 and kevlar

[bitter mason]

ouch

[wet forge]

nah I'd win (and I did somehow)

I'll guess I am a meth head myself only difference is I drink unnecessary amount of coca cola and diagnosed with ADHD

[fleet haven]

How can I make a SEAL team outfit for my team?

[vale tangle]

google “navy seal equipment” and try your best to copy it

[plush leaf]

GX Shirt, LSPD pants in multicam, FPC vest and standard belt in multicam. Thank me later.

[fleet haven]

The vibrant green one?

[plush leaf]

The small one in desert camo by default

[eternal mason]

Why do ppl complaint abt 200 ping in a PVE game?

[obtuse jacinth]

i recently bought the game finally and tried a public lobby after getting my bearings

but is this community toxic or did i just have bad luck?

the first two matches somebody just immediately killed others after spawning in.
the third mission nobody killed each other at the start, but after he saw 3 guys in the same room he just started killing us.
the fourth mission actually went fine apart from people leaving when looking for the last few suspects and civies.
and my last public match went the same as the first two.

did i just get really unlucky?

[plush leaf]

Prolly yeah

[pale mauve]

Just find a crew here

[obtuse jacinth]

damm
lucky do have 2 friends that joined me so i am pretty good in that regard

btw are the 2 different night vision goggles different from each other or not?
couldn't really find anything on that nor have i tested them myself

[pale mauve]

One has 2 optics gpnvg has 4

[harsh cave]

Anyone have issues getting the Due Process achievement?

[harsh cave]

they both give the same FOV in game

[obtuse jacinth]

alright so it's just a different model

[harsh cave]

yeah

[pale mauve]

Yea

[obtuse jacinth]

kinds odd that they put them both in the equipment slots and not in the customize tab

[harsh cave]

yeah, maybe they will change it but I doubt it, should just be able to customise the look like the gasmask

[obtuse jacinth]

yeah, actually why i was wondering about it

sorry for the question, this shall be my last

have the devs ever talked about their use of ai generation or not?

don't mind it too much regarding the theme of the game and the amount of other details and love that goes into it, but am kinda curious about them using it

[harsh cave]

unsure bro

[lethal scaffold]

Been playing through the commander mode and I’m trying to figure out the score system what’s the difference between killing, incapacitating and then just arresting the hostiles in terms of points cause missions like elephant seemed to not care if I killed

[stone bay]

whats the best shotgun

[prime wing]

AI has been used for background art, framed posters/portraits

confirmed that is

Not all, but for some.

Probably it comes down to it being a small aspect of the game that doesnt matter, takes away time from other tasks, but they have caught flack for it for well over 8 months now.

[vale tangle]

the ai art thing is such a tired virtue signal, the only case where it should be called out is where it does something to make the game worse ie. spelling errors which used to be present

[prime wing]

only problem being is where they got the model for the art or what was fed to it. Hard to know if its someones portfolio or stolen from other people

problem is not its use

but the source

[vale tangle]

*not that that guy was virtue signalling, but every time i see discussion of it, it’s just a bunch of moral outrage

[pale mauve]

If you kill all suspects with no mistakes you get B rank
Arrest some kill some A rank
Arrest almost all of them with one or two blunders A+
Arrest all with no casualties or incaps S rank

[vale tangle]

i suppose so, but that’s hard to prove

[prime wing]

yeah, they arent forced to prove otherwise

unless steam says otherwise or something

[lethal scaffold]

Thank you also are the suppressors worth using if i give them to all of my teammates or does it not really make a difference?

[pale mauve]

Tbh supressors make 0 difference except the recoil and sound reduction
The reason why it doesnt matter is because you have to yell for compliance anyway alerting every suspect on the map

I still use them on all my guns cause they look better

[lethal scaffold]

Yeah think I’ll just stick them on mine then for the visuals 😂

[pale mauve]

The best way to play the game is to only care about getting all the civillians out alive

By any means necessary

[lethal scaffold]

Yea that’s how I like playing the game as well

[pale mauve]

Stingers were by far the best grenade option for me since CS gas got nerfed

But why need grenades when you can just light them up

Use a mirror gun and scan areas then just instruct your team to bash and clear it, also give one or two guys a shield

[lethal scaffold]

Also gets rid of the stupid gas mask and yeah the cs gas is surprisingly bad throw it in a room and no coughing then someone is hid in a corner

[pale mauve]

They run away before the gas spreads to them

[lethal scaffold]

Yeah I have given two shields one the ram and the last the mirror gun all with stinger grenades

[pale mauve]

I have two mods specifically just to get rid of the mask and nvg overlays

[lethal scaffold]

Ah fair I’ve not looked into the modding yet

I’m still trying to figure out what rifle and pistol I want to use

[pale mauve]

Id reccomend the G36C

You can put an SRO dot on it as well as a supressor and vertical grip

Imo the SRO is the best optic in the game since it has the widest fov

Mount a laser and use point aiming for really close encounters

[lethal scaffold]

Cheers I’ll be giving that a try i like using the 4x just for the long engagements then yeah mostly use point aiming

[pale mauve]

other good rifles are the MK18, LVAR and SA58 if you can take the recoil

SA58 is special because it fires a higher caliber round which is a guarantee one hit kill

[lethal scaffold]

Thanks didn’t realise that I downloaded the game ages ago then forgot about it finally giving it a proper chance now

[obtuse jacinth]

yeah, i noticed quite a bit of ai, it's surprisingly more then you expect

the reasoning is understandable but i was curious if they ever gave an awnser regarding the flack

[prime wing]

the studio as a whole has never talked about it directly, only kaminsky, which he addressed examples that the studio was not happy with and that they wanted to stay away from moving forward

[obtuse jacinth]

ah that's actually nice to hear

[plush leaf]

Idk if I'm crazy or not but... somehow the F90 and G36C just feel surreal to use to me lol

[tacit gull]

crazy or not

[acoustic ridge]

i use 1 shield 1 mirror 2 breach shotguns and i carry m320

[bitter mason]

My only issue with the g36c is the lack of carry handle. It just looks ugly without one

[pale mauve]

There is a mod that gives it one not sure if it works for home invasion

[plush leaf]

Still, for US use, kinda wish that it also uses its STANAG magwell

[bitter mason]

Ive kept my eye on them none of them were updated
Idk if they are now but probably not

[ruby iron]

Is it not possible to sneak up behind AI?

Seems the moment you have visual on them, they turn and start blasting without making a sound

[amber dock]

That doesn’t work at all

[ruby iron]

I see

[tacit gull]

While it is possible it's gonna take them like 2-3 seconds to see you due to how much they turn around, you also have to be walking for a really long range so they don't hear you and turn around

[pure dagger]

Hey guys any tips on Hidden and Dangerous achievement?

[winter pendant]

I try to leapfrog my AI guys to cover more ground quickly. Especially having them clearing and holding main corridors sort of acts as a soft barricade.

That's about all I've got. It's tbh some RNG bullshit

[bitter mason]

I think it depends on what state they're in, if they are in a passive state with their weapon lowered they might not spot you, but they tend to wander in circles in really sporadic ways. But if they are alerted they seemingly get 360 degree vision.

[ruby iron]

I think if not alerted then they should have 120 FOV, but if alerted, they ought to have 180 FOV

[bitter mason]

definitely
suspect ai is just kinda badly made

they break a lot of rules the player has to follow
They can kick open doors and immediately shoot compared to how the player needs to go through an animation. They have crazy strafing and are really accurate while doing so while the player's accuracy is hit fairly hard when moving

[ruby iron]

Hmm, I think Jug modified their FOV in
https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/727

[bitter mason]

their patrol paths tend to be pretty bad too. I've had so many suspects just wander right infront of a door, turn the other way and walk for a few seconds then turn around and walk back infront of the door

seems like a good mod
glad he understands difficulty goes deeper than just speeding up suspects in a game like this
a lot of people dont tend to realise that

might have to give it a go tbh
Im always unsure about some ai mods cause they are either too simple or just reinforce the games problem of making every suspect fight to the death

[ruby iron]

Can you test a modpack for me?

I'm trying to combine the best aspects of several different mods to get the best experience

@bitter mason

[bitter mason]

idk
u can send me it Ill give u my thoughts if I ever try it out

[ruby iron]

Bet

[bitter mason]

I aint played the game in a while and I already got a few mods installed, no promises Ill try it tho :P

[pine pollen]

Is the last suspect always running around the map looking for you?

I couldn't help but noticed it.

[umbral oar]

yes

[quick iron]

Hot take, suspects that are moving SHOULD have an accuracy penalty. Its absurd how a suspect can be moving fast in 1 direction yet maintain perfect aim and worst of all they shoot through walls

[bitter mason]

yep, when you get close enough they instantly know your location and make a B line straight to you. Its a terrible feature ngl

[dry kettle]

so does mod.io not work at all

[bitter mason]

doesnt seem to work well
just get mods manually from nexus

[dry kettle]

any mode i subscribe to just wont show up 😔

[dry kettle]

my doubt is that if i download those and put em in game files , can i still start safe mode from steam

i dont want to override my clean campaign with mods

[bitter mason]

yes it will just not load the mods

[dry kettle]

oh ok i see , thanks for helping me out

[bitter mason]

mods are generally safe to install and uninstall whenever

just be sure the mods are up to date
anything updated/uploaded after 23rd of july should work

[carmine garden]

They need to add fully customizable guns, like the advanced armory mod. but its integrated in the game for everyone

Or to the level of customization like what the game "Operator" uses

it would be such a great update.

[abstract temple]

u gotta manual install

[dry kettle]

Did it using nexus and it worked!

[umbral oar]

i still think they should run to you and surrender

[bitter mason]

im fine with them seeking you out if you spend too long searching for them at the most.
really I think they should stay put cause I usually clear maps in way that lessens the chance of me missing someone. So it always ends up being that I have the last guy cornered and he rushes me and dies or gets a cheap kill on me before I even breach the room

but I think surrenders should be slightly easier to get the less suspects there are
it feels as though the level gets harder the more you clear it rather than the other way around sometimes

[full shore]

Lowering the suspect count to less than a handful and making it easier for us to die will make things interesting

[bitter mason]

yeah definitely

[maiden thistle]

who has sherrif mod

[simple drum]

I don't think that's a hot take. That's expected in a more realistic shooter. The player has this and so should the AI

[icy wraith]

yes, with my mod

[ruby iron]

Perfect

By the way, the movement modifier isn't part of the latest release right? @icy wraith

[icy wraith]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[icy wraith]

no, but it's on the way

[icy wraith]

they actually have an accuracy penalty by movement, but it's unbalanced vanilla. Use my AI mod

[ruby iron]

Okay, I'm using Gunfighter basic and move until then

[icy wraith]

👍

[ashen adder]

will there a be a patch in the future that adds balaclavas to sp

[full shore]

Nope

[true hare]

Hey I can’t find where the guy I’m supposed to arrest at the hospital is

[true hare]

Is his location randomized or is he always in a certain area?

[green prawn]

My best advice is to go slow and clear literally every room you see
It can get hard on bigger maps
I don’t know the specifics of his location but I always seem to find him in one of the X-ray rooms or somewhere near there

[true hare]

Ok

If I can’t find him I’ll have to restart. Thanks.

[stable kernel]

He wears a light blue hospital gown. You probably shot him down and need to restrain the body

He will always be in the lower or middle floor of the three floor building

[true hare]

Ok. Well I just restarted. Couldn’t find him so had to assume he glitched out of bounds or something.

[true hare]

So either underground entrance or floor 2?

Is the morgue also able to close itself off? I can’t find the morgue again.

[native rune]

No

You just go down the same stairs mate. One of the stairs is always blocked off the other is not

[frail pier]

He only has what 3 locations he can almost always be at? MRI, the room between MRI and Xray(Usually sitting outside the door) and that middle room on second with the bed in the middle (I forget what it's called but it has computers and glass looking at the bed)

Unless there's other spawns but I've ran this map so much haven't seen anywhere else.

[frail pier]

You've seen him on 1st floor before???

[stable kernel]

I think I have, but he for sure ran down the stairs chasing audio

[native rune]

I always find him in the CAT scan room with the blinking red light, or the small room attached to it

[frail pier]

Yeah generally there. He likes to stand right outside the door too which can be annoying.

If not those 2 spots then he's in the middle close to those rooms.

[oak copper]

when dlc 2?

[umbral oar]

“Now” 🗿

[tawny basin]

tomorrow bro

[robust kestrel]

bruh my ready or not looks like a potato on this laptop

im so happy i have 4070 pc now it runs like butter MAXED

[river tide]

cool

[stone bay]

got my first s rank mission💀 had to do it on rust belt because it wasnt giving me higher than a B

gave everybody nonlethal pepperball guns and one a beanbag shotgun n got it done, happened to be my fastest run as well got it completed in 11 minutes

[acoustic ridge]

i might habe to buy a new gpu
mine is running ron at 100% and only 20 fps

[stable kernel]

What do you have?

[acoustic ridge]

im pretty sure its below ron's minimum lol

i have to check
im pretty sure my fps got worse after ue5, or one of my mods is causing extra lag

[craggy yew]

whats better the 10mm mp5 or the modernized 9mm one

[forest lichen]

9mm

10mm with you want to old school HRT larp

[unreal oxide]

I think RONs minimum to get 60 was atleast 1660ti or a 3050 super

[sharp fox]

do you think the fnaf game franchise exists in the ron universe

[stone bay]

If I could butt in to the conversation about specs I am not a particularly tech savy person and am trying to figure out if RoN can run on my pc. I have an AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor and Radeon RX 550. I have tried to search it up in the past but I end up running in circles. I'm guessing it'll run ok but I'm not sure

nvm, got some help

[unreal oxide]

No.

[smoky tangle]

Anyone wanna play?

[stone bay]

aight thank you, I'll return when I have a rig that can run it

[true hare]

Hey was the watt college evidence box removed from the game?

[true hare]

Also the Judge sleeper agent stuff is confirmed right? Like how do I describe to my friend who’s unfamiliar with RON how Judge is different

[prime wing]

judge is just built different

shrimple as

[forest lichen]

got sniped by AI in valley of the dolls from the second floor walkway while i was clearing out garden

valley is unironically my most hated map now

[forest lichen]

USIA MK Ultra Experiment type shit

he is unfased by the horrors he witnesses and commits

no matter how horrible, fucked up, or depraved they are

[true hare]

Ah. I’m still in my debate of who’d win. Judge or not important. Even if Judge lost I still think he’d put up a good fight. I’m trying to explain why

[forest lichen]

Judge against who

[river tide]

is it just me or when using the eotech sight is it really hard to identify people from long ranges?

as i have like no visibility out of it

[forest lichen]

have ADS zoom on

[river tide]

i do

[forest lichen]

idk go for the M5B then

[pale mauve]

There was a mod scope called the Walther MRS i couldnt play without on the old version of the game it hasnt been updated since and was removed completely
Just switch to a gun that you can mount the SRO dot on

[true hare]

Doing the mansion home invasion with the panic rooms. Where do I find Sven? And please don’t spoil his fate

[acoustic ridge]

dont have that thats for sure

my pc is like 5+ years old with no upgrade

i also know for sure its my gpu since task manager sits at a good 100% gpu usage on ready or not

[true hare]

Never mind. Found him.

[jolly owl]

Is it me or SIG MCX became 5.56 now instead of 300?

[true hare]

Good god for once I actually kinda felt bad. I mean, did the guys who broke into the mansion, were they fully prepared to kill the kids?

[fervent oak]

I highly doubt it

Imo it was a group making a point by trashing up and attacking the guy's house, without the initial intention of murder

I say initial since I'm pretty sure they can still kill him by taking him hostage

[tacit gull]

They don't seem particularly opposed to murder considering they take a hostage every other room

[forest lichen]

@fallen sparrow #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art messagecan i have that railed comtacs mod

[fallen sparrow]

It's a DLC cosmetic, which is "ERT carbon helmet"

[forest lichen]

ah ok

DLC helmet from the Home Invasion DLC?

[fallen sparrow]

Yep

[forest lichen]

What other DLC cosmetics does the DLC have

[fallen sparrow]

SLY low visibility Vest
L9 field shirt [rolled and unrolled sleeves.]
L9 combat shirt [rolled and unrolled sleeves.]
BST combat pants
Salmon SC6 shoes

[bitter mason]

also has that helmet but with a cover over it

[ruby iron]

Does turning off Server-side Check-Sum not work anymore?

People have issues connecting unless they roughly have the same mods

[silk junco]

it still works

remember that all players should disable it

[finite shuttle]

Man, after hearing about this for like a year I bought it on Steam this morning. What an experience. I am NOT good at this game but going through those two houses on Twisted Nerve was wild. Especially the tunnels

[white hill]

Twisted Nerve was my go to back in the early access days, especially because it's something that happens regularly these days, with SWAT teams raiding crack dens and what not.

[finite shuttle]

Dude, that's the other thing. Not to get all like...real world in here but it makes me think about policing and what it's like to really respond to something like that. That's just a whole other kind of human being than I am. I could never do that

[white hill]

Funnily enough, real world policing is nowhere near as desolate and apocalyptic as RoN is, atleast not in most places

[finite shuttle]

Well thank god for that lol

[white hill]

Honestly though I think in some ways it's too stylized*. Then again my favorite police game is SWAT 3, which sure, has you dealing with terrorists on multiple occasions, also gives you the option of working in a 10 man team, your five man squad working with another 5 man, and clearing out maps that way

Honestly THAT'S what this game needs, is a bigger swat team, with swat 3 style AI

I know SWAT 4 is the game this takes inspiration from, but to me, 3 is the superior police sim

[acoustic ridge]

i just wanna command my red and blue teams from their helmet cams so i dont habe to walk around everywhere

[white hill]

Would also help if they actually followed orders, or engaged threats. Hell I wish there was a way to stop them from automatically ziptying civies, because that basically defeats the purpose of telling them to run like the wind towards the exit.

[tacit gull]

When the game can't even handle a 5 people team i think 10 is the last thing it needs

[acoustic ridge]

i wish the swat ai would gain a little bit of self preservation and stop securing evidence when they HAVE to cross an uncleared and uncovered threshold

[white hill]

That's why I specified SWAT 3 style AI

[white hill]

I thankfully haven't had that issue as of my returning to the game, but I have had the issue of them just staring down a threat as they get magazine after magazine of lead pumped into their chest cavity.

[tacit gull]

That self secure feature is the dumbest addition to the game POSSIBLE, not only did SWAT 3 prove why that's a bad idea but then it's also worse than in SWAT 3 and nobody even thought to give you the ability to turn it off

[white hill]

Gonna have to disagree, since in SWAT 3 your AI actually responded to threats, and not only that, would only secure hostages/suspects/evidence once a threat was neutralized.

[tacit gull]

And that's a bad thing? It didn't work in SWAT 3 either because regardless of if you neutralised the current threat or not they would still happily walk into half cleared rooms to secure a surrendered suspect

[white hill]

Not saying it's perfect, I'm saying it's a fucking sight better than RoN

[tacit gull]

Well yeah, that's what i said

It wasn't iterated upon, patched or even slightly improved, it's just the same logic from 1999 that was already a bad idea

[acoustic ridge]

move and clear
sir get down!!!! kill suspect
rush to secure evidence
blasted by a FAL from the next door and dies

[white hill]

Though like I said, in my experience the SWAT 3 AI never really diddy bopped their way through the levels, though they would clear rooms further down the line if it made sense too.

[white hill]

You forgot one detail

Kills armed suspect refusing to drop weapon
Unauthorized use of deadly force -50

[acoustic ridge]

the ai doesnt get infractions other than shooting human shields

or potential shooting a civillian behind suspect (overpen)
riccochets count too

[white hill]

Honestly just fucking delete the scoring system and start over, I shouldn't get a fucking B rating all because a bunch of gung ho security dicks decided it was a bright idea to openly engage SWAT.

[acoustic ridge]

A is for average, not B

[tacit gull]

I'm hoping they rework the scoring system, i'm getting doubtful though

[white hill]

Slight problem with that, I can get A/A+ on all the other missions just fine, but holy shit is Mindjot a pain in my nuts.

[acoustic ridge]

i ignore score unless im trying to S rank, as long as i dont shoot any surrendered people/civillians im good with it

[white hill]

Especially because, as I said, the security forces engage on sight, and then have the brass fucking balls to tell me "erm, we didn't know u were the heckin' policerino UwU"

[tacit gull]

Even if it wasn't the police, they're just unloading on someone out of nowhere lmao

[acoustic ridge]

they have had fake cop encounters in the past, but something tells me judge irl would seem alot more professional than some random cop impersonators

[white hill]

So the giant yellow "POLICE" across my back didn't clue you in? Nor the Bearcat pulling up outside?

[acoustic ridge]

idk if those fake cops shot at security on sight or what

[white hill]

Or you know, instead of just magdumping at the nearest person, why not yell out for identification.

[tacit gull]

I don't think it's specified they did, and even then why the fuck would they

[acoustic ridge]

idk what they could say but irl im sure they would work something out if the security didnt SHOOT AT POLICE ON SIGHT

[white hill]

Exactly, I could imagine like maybe 1 or 2 of the security guards shooting, because maybe all they see is an armored up motherfucker coming around a corner with an SR-16, but the problem with that is that it's the ENTIRE FUCKING SECURITY FORCE.

[acoustic ridge]

something tells me that the security irl could tell we are real cops

yk the bearcat, organized cqc tactics, all the expensive gear, uniforms, badges

one of the security voicelines
even says something like "they are wearing chemlights they are real cops!!!"

[umbral oar]

Na one of their employees died from the fake cop so they’re pretty on edge naturally

[acoustic ridge]

makes sense but i still dont think a normal person would fire on sight at swat

[white hill]

Stretchier than a vegas "woman of the night" (censorship dumb), because there would be an obvious difference between real SWAT, and a bunch of doofuses wearing airsoft kits

[tacit gull]

That's not even that egregious when you consider the other plot points

The streamer that has illegal photos in his nightstand LMAO