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[alpine laurel]

I wonder. What's the suspect AI doing when confronted with an officer with a shield? Are they aiming as usual and just hitting shield? Aiming for anything else? Doing anything different?

[ripe zealot]

aiming at your feet

[toxic palm]

Feeter

[buoyant fern]

is it excessive force if i only shoot suspects in the balls with a beanbag shotgun

[toxic palm]

No

[ripe zealot]

ok i get why its 5 players max normally im getting 20 fps with all the bullet casing and mags on the ground

11 is way too many

[toxic palm]

Skill issue, lower that resolution!!!

Also yeah depending on the level performance tanks regardless

[proven blade]

What’s the H&K pistol?

[toxic palm]

Usp

[ionic gale]

Not gonna lie I think it’s the only viable .45 ACP option in the game

[proven blade]

But like what is it irl

[ionic gale]

The 1911s are good but in a game like this I actually don’t go for them because this one of a few games where I actually give a damn about magazine size

[ionic gale]

Well, it is not the big ass MK23

it is the regular size USP in .45 ACP

[toxic palm]

Irl its the USP lol

[proven blade]

Ummm maybe

[toxic palm]

Its the baby child of the mk23 basically

[ionic gale]

The MK23 is the same weapon except as big and it’s used by US SOCOM

Actually, it’s a weapon that’s supposed to be used as a primary than a secondary

[ionic gale]

Ngl my favorite handguns are the 9mm handguns rn

[winter orbit]

PC19 gang rise up

[ionic gale]

A .40 S&W caliber gun like a full-size Glock 22 or something could be interesting but meh

[toxic palm]

Glock 17 and the p250 are my faves ingame

Well the g19 reskin mod

[ionic gale]

I sadly don’t have that, I’m not Supporter edition owner

[winter orbit]

It's okay
You can watch our cooler reload

[ionic gale]

Yuhhh

also hold up I think the M11 is supposed to resemble a P229 Legion

Look at the M11 compact and go search up a model of the P229 Legion they’re practically the same weapon

[winter orbit]

Probably what they modelled it off

[ionic gale]

Yuh

[toxic palm]

Is it single action only

Cause if it aint, cockin it just feel like a waste of time to me

[winter orbit]

When we gonna be able to scan IRL weapons in game and use them

[ionic gale]

I think it’s both

[ionic gale]

I think it comes in both double action and single action

[toxic palm]

Become 3d modellee

[winter orbit]

Wanna put my two tone green AR15 in and whiff every shot, IRL style

[ionic gale]

Also guys, fun fact, the MK16 is the designation of the Scar L

[winter orbit]

The MK16 here is made of FN

[ionic gale]

if you want to get even more technical, I think this specific version in red or not is the Scar L Mark 2 why it has a shorter barrel

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I love FN Herstal weapons

Very cool Belgian dudes & dudettes

[winter orbit]

Miffs me a bit that the only rifle to get the "ar flick" reload is a SCAR but
whatevs

[ionic gale]

By the way, the scar H is the model that everyone practically knows that is chambered in 7.62x51mm

This version is based on the L model, which is just a standard little 5.56x45mm version of the scar

[toxic palm]

She scar on my h till i break my optic

[ionic gale]

LOL I remember people saying how the Scar H fucking broke optics because it was that hard hitting

[winter orbit]

She Arma on my Lite till the US Army sabotages my rifle

[ionic gale]

The MK18 I will never not love

Mod 0 looks clean as hell even though I kinda like Mod 1 a bit moar

[toxic palm]

Vomits

[toxic palm]

The gold standard, it may lose potential of the caliber but god is it good

[ionic gale]

;-;

MK 1 has the cool free floating rail, but the triangle sight gas block still looks nice

[winter orbit]

L64 my beloved

[crude prism]

RoN try not to make the MK-16 look like dogshit challenge, level: impossible

[toxic palm]

I hate the stock

Pgm hecate II mod when

[ionic gale]

That weird looking prototype bullpup that became the L85?

I know that gun from BO1

[winter orbit]

My dearest EM2/L85 midpoint
Tis beauty defined and I love her

[ionic gale]

It’s sad man that the UK doesn’t adopt their own homegrown weapons

Except for the L96 series but meh

[winter orbit]

L85 was designed by Enfield

[toxic palm]

The british m16a2 is the best m16a2 ever made (it has full auto)

[crude prism]

wrong color, wrong stock, hideous handguard rail extensions, and they fucking troll us by having both the REAL mk16 and mk17 on the wall in the armory

[ionic gale]

It’s being replaced by the KS 1

[winter orbit]

It just took H&K fixing the mags and telling the troops they actually needed to clean it to get the A1 to AR-15 reliability
Then they chucked out the A2 and it was pretty good
And now the A3 is just as good as the M4

[ionic gale]

Made by the Knights Armament company

[winter orbit]

Only in the Royal Marine Commandos and Ranger Regiment
Not as a frontline service rifle

[ionic gale]

OHH I’m dum lol

But yeah the L85 looks kewl even through the gun’s reputation is ruined at least to many

[toxic palm]

I dont mind the color but by god that stock

[winter orbit]

Shame really because it's now as good as any other NATO SIR

[winter orbit]

Project Grayburn will replace the SA80 soon, SIG SAUER are trying to grab the contract
But atleast another few years until they finally wind down the SA80s production

[toxic palm]

Its a good lesson on what not to do, alot if it boiled down to, the factories trying to save money by building off spec lol, same as the original awp (the two guys in a shed werent given permission to build it so the gov gave it to some company and all the parts were basically unsafe lol)

Then they gave HK money to make the l85a2

[pine pollen]

I still have a question. If we're hosting in this game, is it CPU heavy or GPU heavy? I'm considering an upgrade, but I can't do both, only one of them.

[ionic gale]

Whu :o

[proven axle]

Here's hoping they don't get it.

[pine pollen]

SIG seems ambitious after they secure the contract with the US

[ionic gale]

Yeah they got lucky

[ionic gale]

Didn’t you say that it is a bad idea for one company to handle the entire weapons logistics of a military?

or did somebody else say that?

[pine pollen]

but I remember when playing with AI, one of them says something like "Where are the officers?"

[sacred temple]

Yeah but the graves are specifically inside of a set of plots with their iconography

and are deep enough that they wouldn't have had time to do so

[jade apex]

I think this game needs a battlepass

which requires a subscription to get of course!

[winter orbit]

Find the nearest high rise building, 200metres or higher and commit gravity acceptance from the roof

[jade apex]

[stable kernel]

[jade apex]

Do you support a battlepass? Im thinking we can get some celebrities in it as characters

We could have Abraham Lincoln as a skin

[stable kernel]

I would enjoy John Wick from Fortnite

[orchid phoenix]

dlc 2 will introduce void bucks to the game

[foggy kernel]

DirectX 12 is not supported on your system. Try running without the -dx12 or -d3d12 command line argument.
anyone know how to fix this?

[pine pollen]

Try running in DX11 mode

[foggy kernel]

do yk how to switch it im pretty sure i selected it to where it doesnt ask me again what version

[pine pollen]

From steam, right click on the game, select properties, and then change the launch option to DX11

[stable kernel]

Refrain from telling people to do that or similar actions in the future

[winter orbit]

Sir Yes Sir Mr Moderator Sir
I will refrain from naughty things Sir
Accept my sincerest apolgies for doing the naughty Sir

[foggy kernel]

oh shi i see it ty

[pine pollen]

You're very welcome

[stable kernel]

[foggy kernel]

now it opens then closes right away?

i cleared all my mods i actually have no clue what else i could do

[stone stump]

refund

[pine pollen]

Have you deleted the mod.io folder too?

[foggy kernel]

im sure i did i checked all the folders and didnt see one called mod.io

[shy tulip]

What are your specs

[drifting sand]

There's also a line from the cultists that goes "good luck finding your friends, if they're even here" or something like that.

The graves kind of make sense in that they're in a spot where they may place enemies (next to an outhouse), but it does seem rather cryptic, and it's certainly something we could do with more clarity about.

[alpine laurel]

Possibly the cultists still there are sort of a delaying action? Meanwhile the others are still being disappeared to elsewhere.

[shy tulip]

Pretty sure the graves indicate that they got killed, either in the first shootout or afterwards

[alpine laurel]

Could also be their own members or the officers. Not actually sure. It is left sorta ambiguous. Does sorta lean to that being officers now on second thought. Fresh graves of people they see as oppressors, right next to an outhouse.

[foggy kernel]

ryzen 5 5600x
Navida 4060ti

myb abt the late response

[shy tulip]

Go to #💻tech-support and post your exact issue in detail

[rough oriole]

just got killed with a PUNCH after attempting to melee a suspect point blank 3 times

[foggy kernel]

ty

[rough oriole]

how does a melee miss point blank

[lone raven]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-punch-punching-oops-missed-punch-gif-12199143

[proven axle]

I've had like really bad luck with .357 post-launch

is it just the fact that so many enemies wear armour now

I felt like it was way more effective in Beta but supposedly the damage values are the same.

[sharp perch]

the fool achievement

[errant folio]

Is this game have a ray traced

[lone raven]

Maybe

[stone stump]

no

[next shell]

does launching clean mod/save data delete all my data in RON?

[minor steppe]

yea

[noble pasture]

Do it 3 times for good luck

[drifting sand]

They're a classic cult, that's for sure; but that leaves the question of where they got their guns and money from.

I wish we had proper debriefs for the missions

[alpine laurel]

You don't know how cults work? This one is quite realistic in how it operates, though its on a very small scale with a very limited target audience, even if the mechanisms are similar.
The founder (Eve was it?) doesn't seem to believe in that goddess. The religious aspect is more to invite followers and a carrier for instructing them in ways or conveying messages to followers. In this case encouraging them to track down and kill or abduct and kill their abusers and people related to it.
Most cults get their funding from followers convinced to give money or belongings to sell to finance them. It's not uncommon for a lot of religious centers to be willed an old couple's house after death for example.
Guns? That's easy. They're dedicated. Same place the methed up thugs get theirs.

[drifting sand]

There's money, and then there's money enough to get yourself and the followers a vineyard, armour, and assault weapons.

The money from abuse victims isn't exactly going to be all that much (a typical tactic for abusers being to create financial dependence within the victim).

Somewhat ironic, I suppose; the followers went from an abuser who may have killed them, to an abuser who did get them killed.

Plus, a typical cult isn't so...niche in their selection of dupes. Typical cults tend to have some business, or people who have secular jobs and businesses to keep up the income stream.

Anyhoo.

I just want a clearer answer on the fate of the officers. They're not even on the objective list, which just makes it weirder.

I practically rushed in guns blazing thinking I had to get to them, the first time round.

This is the sort of stuff a debrief really should contain IMO.

[vocal night]

can someone remind me what are the exact conditions for way out west achievement

i remember it being somewhat finicky

[jolly verge]

Any armor/helmet with nvg, magnum with attachments, no other tools are allowed for player, bots can use anything but not shields

and you need shoot at least once from magnum

[noble pasture]

One thing I can't forgive the devs for is making recoil stupid high

[acoustic ridge]

install gunfighter, it has some recoil changes in it

[proven axle]

its ok

its very controllable imo

just move ur mouse downward

[noble pasture]

So many irl examples of guys who can hold a rifle steady in full auto

[proven axle]

So many irl examples of guys who can't.

Realism isn't a great justification but I can take or leave recoil management.

[noble pasture]

Amateurs

100% of missed shots are because of human error

[lone raven]

Gotta shoot comp.

[wispy cypress]

y'all forgot one thing
LSPD has low budget, and the swats are untrained

[lone raven]

But they got GPNVGs

[wispy cypress]

from temu

[noble pasture]

Then why does Judge feel high recoil? He is trained

[amber dock]

Some aspects of realism should not be incorporated

[noble pasture]

High recoil is stupid

A game isn't fun if rifles point to the ceiling after 2 shots

[amber dock]

That is a you problem then. If recoil is flat zero game becomes a point and click adventure

[noble pasture]

I call bullshit

Low recoil never made a game unfun

[amber dock]

If that’s what you wanna call it sure👍

[noble pasture]

If anything Ready or Not would benefit if they lowered the recoil on all guns a few notches

[amber dock]

How bad are you at aiming if you can’t hit one shot?

[noble pasture]

I am good, I just hate how I can't use full auto at all cause recoil is too much

You have to tickle the trigger on the rifles to even make full auto usable

[amber dock]

Why use full auto in the first?

[noble pasture]

I brought whole gun, I am gonna use whole gun

Full auto is a feature that's useless in Ready or Not

[amber dock]

Lipsync is in Ron yet it’s completely useless. Your point?

[boreal fossil]

my own swat ai killed me 😭

and with a beanbag shotgun

[upbeat wadi]

is it me or the visuals are a little weird now after the ue 5 port?

can't put my finger on what's different but something sure is

[dire vine]

are you playing with dlss?

[upbeat wadi]

no, amd card (fsr off)

ultra settings minus per object shadows, 1080p

[dire vine]

I've noticed playing textures on ultra and everything high is not a big difference visually

[tacit gull]

Useless? No. Impractical? Yes, that's exactly what makes SMGs useful

[upbeat wadi]

it runs exceptionally well compared to ue 4, no stutters or nothin, but like I said i could swear it looked different

[tacit gull]

The gunplay is already insanely basic, it doesn't need to be neutered further

[dire vine]

hope they fix the door wedge related crashes

[noble pasture]

Hope they fix door wedges being useless sometimes

On 2 separate occasions I seen suspects open wedged doors

[dire vine]

Interesting I have never experienced that

[versed trail]

Full auto saved my ass on port on ironman mode

I got jumpscared and started spraying everywhere bruh

[true ocean]

Why does it say unresolved when I got an A and completed all objectives?

[last gale]

that happened to me for a few maps i just had to redo them :/

[tacit gull]

If you missed the soft objectives it counts as unresolved

[digital nebula]

SS 1940 be like

[eager orchid]

i have the dlc but i dont have the clothes??

and i cant use the missions

[proven blade]

Verify game files, if it finishes in under 10 seconds restart steam and try again, if that doesn’t work uninstall then install

[eager orchid]

okay, thank you!

[true pasture]

currently in quick play, big portion of the maps arent showing up for me? anyone know how to fix this? tried it in safe mode, still the same

[floral bramble]

why is the pistol recoil negative lol

[tacit gull]

You need to progress through the maps to unlock them in singleplayer

[proven blade]

fix team ai, please. i dont even care about the aim and shit, i cannot play elaphant due to their fucking idiocy blocking doorways

[noble pasture]

That could be fixed by making them no clip for player

[grim rune]

Hey why isnt gunshots being registered in my replays

they justpoint the guns and thats it

no shooting or complaiant yells are being recorded

any way to fix?

[lone raven]

No

[grim rune]

what

[lone raven]

[jolly verge]

replay is broken

[grim rune]

Yeah very

[cedar sorrel]

What happened to practice mode? Is Quick Play the same thing?

[jolly verge]

yeah, it's was renamed

[noble pasture]

Should I send civilians running?

Suspects killed a cuffed civie in last raid

[jolly verge]

You can, but keep in mind that they can stuck in the doors or if you too far from spawn point they wont be auto cuffed

[covert fossil]

is home invasion dlc worth?

[toxic palm]

I wouldnt say lucky, its lobbying like the m14, department doesnt care about good weapons, they only care that its x company

[toxic palm]

If you wanna host the maps sure, its cheap, otherwise no

[sturdy atlas]

if i lose an officer and alt+f4 every time that happens or every time i die, and i do that until i complete the campaign, will i get the achievement for not losing an officer?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[shy tulip]

Yes, but you can't alt + F4 the shame you will feel afterwards

[proven blade]

i have achieved every single achievement i can (so no home invasion ones)

[noble pasture]

Had 13 fuckin suspects on 23 MB a second

How many friends does Michael have? Half of them were in the server room alone

A gas nade made it almost manageable

[shy tulip]

What can I say, they're COD fans, they do like free cod points

[noble pasture]

They poured in like hornets

[chrome grove]

why are my sights so low quality

like my red dot looks 144p

[sharp dirge]

dlss?

[chrome grove]

yup i just tested it

i switched to balanced and now its not a problem

[cedar sorrel]

I definitely like it. The three maps are good.

If you know someone who has it already, you can let them host while you play so you can try them out.

[errant folio]

does gunfighter have any ai enhancign stuff

[shy tulip]

No, gunfighter doesn't touch the AI

[foggy kernel]

I <3 WASTING MONEY

[sharp dirge]

why is swat ai so stupid 😭

[jade apex]

To be fair everyone in Los Suenos has crazy firepower

Guns are like candy on Halloween in LS

[stone bay]

At this point, even the children are probably strapped

[astral warren]

"aschult weaponsch!!!"

[jade apex]

My favorite gun, the AR15. (assault weapon 15)

[astral warren]

Oh, okay, I can't talk about the content of the game's narrative. Thanks, Gestapobot.

[astral warren]

As I was trying to say, since half of the level are about a CHILD INTERCOURSE trafficking ring, I hope that's better for the bot, it's probably for the best even the kids are strapped.

bruh the bot literally will not let you talk about the game's story, why the fuck is it in this server? I've seen like 4 or 5 people just spam the nword repeatedly until someone has to manually ban them, why have the bot?

[jade apex]

True. Also I can't blame the bot, I wouldn't want the server being taken down or flagged (even though it's kinda silly.

[jade apex]

Okay the N word thing is silly

[astral warren]

If this is a concern then just don't make a discord about a video game involving a CHILD INTERCOURSE trafficking ring. Apparently "CHILD INTERCOURSE" is better than what I tried to type earlier, according to the bot.

[jade apex]

It's not much better I agree, but still probably less likely to be flagged I gues... Also why is a dev playing Raid Shadow Legens? edit:NVM thats his status

[astral warren]

You think Discord cares about cheese pizza/grooming on their platform? LMAOOOO!!!

[jade apex]

They pretend to

[astral warren]

No, they literally don't.

[jade apex]

They are bad at it, but they do pretend to

[astral warren]

They have been caught making fake servers to take down to improve their PR.

[jade apex]

Hence why I say pretend, they are just bad at pretending

[astral warren]

They're worse at bullshitting than American 3 letter agencies. I have more respect for the CIA than I do the Discord developers.

[jade apex]

You are damn right about that

[stone bay]

insane

[astral warren]

I mean, it's kind of a no brainer, yeah?

[jade apex]

Gotta love how obvious and casual the corruption is...

[astral warren]

As long as the shareholders are happy.

You're not the customer, the shareholders are, never forget that.

[jade apex]

yep...

[astral warren]

And I'm sure these shareholders DEFINITELY do not partake in any ILLICIT or ILLEGAL vices, that Discord TOTALLY would not assist them with.

[stone bay]

Didn't they also get caught selling user information?

[astral warren]

Well, yeah, but that's par for the course.

If you provide information and you don't expect it to be sold you're kind of a moron, ngl. Not saying it's right, just expect it.

[stone bay]

I mean, any company has probably sold user info at some point.

[jade apex]

Thats INSANE and would NEVER happen! You sir are an INSANE and EVIL CONSPIRACY THEORIST.

[grim rune]

HHeyy one question on void interractives youtube they said that if you die, your teammates willl complete the mission by them selves, is that still a thing?

[astral warren]

Fun fact: The term "conspiracy theorist" was coined by the CIA to discredit members of the public who noticed operation mockingbird.

[jade apex]

In practice mode it is. THey play better when I am dead than alive

[grim rune]

bc for me the mission just end

[jade apex]

Yeah I've heard of that. Thanks for telling me more about it ill make sure to remember it

[astral warren]

They seem to revert to their pre combat lobotomy state once you expire.

[jade apex]

Sometimes, they can't complete missinos which sucks

[astral warren]

Wondering if maybe devs added a flag to make them treat you like the protagonist, and take longer to react to target you are closest/have los to.

Ideally letting you get more action but in practice killing you because they just didn't cover you when you needed it.

[jade apex]

I hope not I get so annoyed at how they can lag behind (which is my fault, but still...)

[astral warren]

It's not really your fault, I've had them get stuck on an open door while they were just following me.

It's also not helpful that they all pile into a closet still when you're clearing it. I don't think you need 5 men to clear a janitor's closet, but I guess I've never been in the SWAT 🤷

Then you spend the next 3 minutes humping them trying to get them to move the fuck out of the way.

[jade apex]

The most accurate thing I have read today

[astral warren]

I have shot my SWAT AI in frustration so many times it's not even funny.

[jade apex]

LMAO

[astral warren]

I find that solo'ing levels is genuinely more enjoyable atm, because you don't have the false sense of security that someone's actually watching your back, since they will only sometimes, and other times let you get executed.

[astral warren]

The worst part is they're so god damn stupid that they won't even flee from a flashbang or a stinger, so I can't displace them easily.

[jade apex]

I asked one of my guys to throw a stinger up some steps. He tosses it in front of him and he proceeds to take the entire stinger

[stone bay]

Peak AI

[astral warren]

LS must use leaded fuel or something.

[sterile linden]

Somehow my officers were able to keep someone from shooting themselves. No idea how

[astral warren]

I have never had anyone ever try to shoot themself.

[jade apex]

Me neither I don't thinmk

[astral warren]

But every 2nd suspect WILL take a hostage.

[jade apex]

I one time saved a hostage without realizing it until after

[sterile linden]

Just beached second floor of the hospital with c2, entered the room, as the guy was able to regain his vision he pointed the rifle to his chin

[stone bay]

they kind of do that for some reason, even tho they are "fearless" terrorists

[sterile linden]

Crazy

[astral warren]

Also I really, really, really, want VOID to make separate damage curves for 10mm and 7.62x39 already. 10mm is .45ACP with more recoil and 7.62x39 is .300blk with more recoil. Ideally 7.62x51 would be buffed to make it 1 hit incap more consistently, since currently it can kind of be a crap shoot depending on the map and suspect health.

[toxic palm]

good lord man i just saw the achivement unlocks % of ready or not, its so sad

[sterile linden]

Fr

[astral warren]

That's what happens when you release a game called ready or not that isn't ready, it collects dust in half of the playerbase's library for years until they hear it's finished.

[sterile linden]

I guess they weren’t ready

[astral warren]

The worst part was the completely untouched AI on release. It was just as broken and deranged as it was during the playtesting, as far as I can recall.

Meth heads making 1 handed headshots on you from 20 meters away in the dark with a makarov over their shoulder while sprinting.

[stone bay]

It's called ready or not because it's what the VOID told the devs every day

[astral warren]

"the VOID told the devs"
Who's going to tell him?

[stone bay]

hmmm yes, void told the devs

I'm truly an example for every human out there

[astral warren]

A human of all time.

[stone bay]

more like sub-human, I should not be allowed to interact with others

[sterile linden]

The ai reaction time is on point. Before the animation of the guy reaching for the gun could play, he was on the ground with 4 bullet wounds

Except other times they get shot at and stand there staring at the bullets entering their skull

My game for some reason is looking like a stop motion video

Somehow the ai with no armor manages to tank 6 direct shots and still manages to recover and kill a swat officer in heavy armor

[acoustic ridge]

swat ai is either the stupidest thing ever or quite effective

[jade apex]

Swat AI is Chaotic Neutral

[astral warren]

You can't tell if suspects have armour or not by looking at them.

[sterile linden]

I stand corrected

[astral warren]

Some suspects will be wearing it, and not have any armour, others will be armourless, and have armoured properties.

Which is goofy af imo, but if you're using JHPs, tier 4 armour will require at least 6 (?) shots to incap from 7.62x51, so I think it's 7 for .300blk and 7.62x39, and 5.56x45 JHP.

[sterile linden]

Does the appearance of the armor on swat matter or is it just the attribute? I mean, right now I have heavy armor equipped but the light armor customization option on.

[shy tulip]

I believe the cosmetics don't matter, just coverage and stuff, as it should be

[astral warren]

Heavy armour allows you to have side plates, but reduces your equipment slots from 13 to 11, and light armour does not allow side plates, but gives you more space for equipment. Your top speed can only be effected by leg injuries, you move just as fast once you get up to speed with all armour, but there are acceleration penalties. Kevlar has no acceleration penalty, but is quite unhelpful against many calibers, ceramic has a very minor acceleration penalty that you hardly notice, even with heavy armour and plates on the front, back, and sides, and steel has a significant 23% acceleration debuff per plate, the side plates being combined and considerd 1.

[shy tulip]

I fucking hate how every game now puts traits to cosmetics and I can't be drippy without having to worry about "Hmmm this armor makes me move faster in the snowww"

[astral warren]

hard agree

[acoustic ridge]

is there any downside to taking full armor coverage vs front only

[astral warren]

😳

[astral warren]

You need heavy armour carrier which will mean you have 11 equipment slots instead of 13.

otherwise, speed and acceleration is the same as light would be, minus the ability to add more to the side, and further decrease acceleration.

[acoustic ridge]

no i mean if i use heavy armor ceramic front only vs full are there any downsides besides the armor coverage (how much hp each plate has etc)

[sterile linden]

This dude got one shot in before realizing it’s not too smart to shoot at a full swat team with rifles and heavy armor

[astral warren]

No, ceramic always fully stops damage, but breaks after 4 hits. The side plates are shared, so 2 hits to your left side, and 2 hits to your right, means your side plate is broken. After ceramic is shattered, it still reduces damage by 40%, which is a little worse than kevlar at 50%, but ceramic can reduce the damage to 40% of much bigger rounds compared to kevlar.

Any armour slot that is empty will be automatically equipped with kevlar, btw, so if you run a heavy armour carrier and a steel plate up front, then your sides and back will be protected by kevlar. Same is true of the light carrier, but not the sides, since it doesn't support armour being there.

[acoustic ridge]

ohhh so thats how it works

also do yk if the ballistic shield stops ALL bullets completely, as in you take zero damage

or are there some calibers that can pass thru

[astral warren]

I have never used it before, I am clueless about that.

[sterile linden]

Only nerf bullets are strong enough to pass through

[shy tulip]

^

[sterile linden]

You’re pretty much f_____ if the enemy has the X-Shot 12

[shy tulip]

It pretty much blocks everything, the downside being they will 100% hit the glass and make you blind.

they can also take out your knees

[acoustic ridge]

so if you crouch and sit in a corner

you are pretty much invincible?

[sterile linden]

Just make sure the opps don’t have a nerf blaster and you’re good

Somehow the enemies are able to shoot through curtains but I am not

Any ideas on how to pass the hospital bridge without getting shredded from enemies in the windows?

Nevermind, the guy pushed too hard

[frigid shell]

Anyone else struggling with Sins of The Father S rank?

I got A+ since my flash grenade accidentally hit my team 🤦🏻‍♂️

And now I’m so stuck and I often get unlucky with the doors already being open when I begin. Any strategies and presets to use?

[sterile linden]

Will a suspect immediately shoot if they have a hostage? Trying to figure out how to free a hostage that’s being held directly behind the door I was about to breach

[shy tulip]

You have some time, but not forever

Depends how long they've been holding em

[frigid shell]

If you’re talking about you, then yes, sometimes they’ll immediately shoot the hostage. Happened to me once

[sterile linden]

Maybe c2 would disorient them enough for us to free the hostage? But they are pretty close the the door

[frigid shell]

But fr tho any ways to beat Sins of The Father S?

[sterile linden]

Never gotten S rank in anything

[slim fern]

strange thing for me, I've had several times where the suspect shoots the hostage in the head but if I kill the suspect before the civilian falls to the ground they are magically unharmed for some reason

[frigid shell]

Crazy thing is only 0.4% of players have gotten S on all missions according to Steam Achievements

[sterile linden]

Ram and launcher worked.

Glad I didn’t shoot the suspect, he was the prime suspect.

[stone bay]

Most people prolly wanna keep it lethal and avoid letting them live lol

[sterile linden]

Crazy that 12% of all players don’t even make their first arrest

Either they have a “no witnesses” policy or it’s just a skill issue

I told my ai to ram and launcher. They rammed the door, then launched the grenade at their feet

[stone bay]

It’s more that most might have stopped before achievement updates

Some games have a major playerbase dump the game and not return. But the numbers could be wrong too

[sterile linden]

Understandable

Somehow my entire body is now red. I may be very close to dying

Imagine getting the “bring order to chaos” as you die

[topaz heart]

I’m getting really low fps since a new update anyone else or just me?

[sterile linden]

Sad that having map mode installed will make every score you get invalid

[sterile linden]

Is anything gonna happen if I just refuse to close the container full of naked women or is that what I have to do to advance the mission?

Oh no. The suspect that surrendered is missing, along with their gun

2 armorers and 2 negotiators make life a lot easier

Also makes my officers happier

The port mission is actually so sad

Neat little detail, being able to see the people buying the women disconnect when they see the place getting raided

[supple star]

do the metal plate thingies in the customisation menu for gloves, boots and such mean anything?

[sterile linden]

Idk

[stable kernel]

That is just how many variants of the item there are

[supple star]

ah okay, thx :D

[sterile linden]

Interesting how the evidence lockup people have no idea why the Santa muerte statue is in evidence lockup

I also noticed that in the dispatch area, at least after finishing all the missions, you can see the foreshadowing or whatever to the home invasions dlc

Because the hurricane is in the tvs, says people left homeless and an ongoing 911 call about a home invasion

even the npcs are talking about the storm

[main salmon]

Will the tracks from the Supporter DLC ever be released again in some form? I thought if I bought the official DLC those would be in there but they don't seem to be?

[dire anvil]

The DLC OST will be a separate release - the supporter tracks will likely not return

[lone raven]

[acoustic ridge]

i wonder why ai is physically incapable of reloading their gren launchers

[lone pelican]

Grenades are expensive

[crystal sierra]

What's the all side objectives for homeless house mission? I found that room with ,,religious" stuff

[bitter cipher]

FUCK BRISA COVE S RANK

[acoustic ridge]

run around and wedge everything to stop flankers, repeat until you get a good run where you dont get lit up with an m249

[buoyant fern]

damn dude i cant wait to buy something i can get on youtube for free

[ionic gale]

I think it’s just to support Void a lil bit

[buoyant fern]

i know

[ionic gale]

It’s almost donating some money to avoid the wall getting some tunes as well

[bitter cipher]

Nobody’s forcing you to buy it pal

[ionic gale]

Anywho how are y’all

[jade apex]

That's why sometimes it can be worth it to fire at the waist

[ionic gale]

[acoustic ridge]

if i have time to aim for the waist i have time to aim for a headshot or just keep shooting them until their armor doesnt work anymore

[buoyant fern]

Its a real world TTP to either aim for the dick or the face when fighting against body armor lol

so its a good thing to do tactically speaking

[ionic gale]

pew pew

[jade apex]

I got the advice from a Youtube channel made by an actual ex-police officer!

The waist is also a good target if the suspect is too drugged out to be deterred by pain. By destroying the pelvis you can stop the suspect from moving

[stone bay]

So you're supposed to cripple the suspect? Great idea ngl

[lone raven]

I mean, you're supposed to stop the threat.

[buoyant fern]

Oh im sad i cant link picturea in here. i had this thing in MS paint and everything

[lone raven]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[buoyant fern]

but when you're shooting someone in the pelvis you're targeting specific vessels

[ionic gale]

Sixty Ate Whiskey I’m guessing?

[jade apex]

Yep!

[frail quartz]

If the suspect is posing enough of a threat to your life to where you have to use lethal force, it probably wouldn't matter how much damage you do as long as it stops the threat 🤷‍♂️

[ionic gale]

He’s kewl

[jade apex]

Agreed

[ionic gale]

The people who say to just crippled them by hitting them in the arm or leg are smooth brain

No, I’m not saying that you fucking aim for the head and always intentionally kill everything but come on, it doesn’t really matter if the suspect dies or something, you just gotta stop the threat

Like if a dude charges at me with a knife and I just fire at him and hit vitals that killed him then shucks man

[stray girder]

Haven't played in a while, how cracked is the ai rn?

[acoustic ridge]

not that cracked, some people complain of 1 taps but imo i havent had that issue in a while

[stray girder]

oh cool so its fine without an ai mod then?

[acoustic ridge]

wear armor and a helmet and u will be fine

[stray girder]

awesome

[acoustic ridge]

ai mod to make it harder or easier?

[amber dock]

Still cracked in aggressive terms like full auto, strafing etc. but they are way more compliant with non lethals like beanbag

[stray girder]

easier. last i played the suspects were like terminator level

[bitter mason]

AI isnt cracked but they're just a bit dull, unless you're specifically looking to shoot everyone

[stray girder]

dull as in?

[lone raven]

I aim for the head, depending on situation.

[bitter mason]

just not super varied, they will always start shooting at you while running around. They do hesitate now sometimes but its really just an open window to taze them, since they still resort to shooting at you when they finish

[stray girder]

huh okay

know any mods that make them a bit less 'dull'?

[bitter mason]

not aware of any rn
Just dull in the sense if you want it to actually play like a swat game where suspects hide and run away without always resorting to violence straight away.
If you want to just shoot people its fine

[stray girder]

alr ty

[ionic gale]

Yeah, if a suspect is holding a gun to a civilians head. I will take down that threat.

[lone raven]

🤝

[ionic gale]

Yuh I practically have no other choice but to pop them in the cranium

[worthy elbow]

Hey all,

I got this game a while ago, played some solo and thought it was a bit clunky. I have a couple of questions in the meantime!

1. Is the game fun playing using the multiplayer option? Or stick with solo

2. Is the commander mode any fun? How is it?

3. How is the LFG experience for ‘new players’ here?

[ionic gale]

1. Yeah, multiplayer pretty good especially if you have some buddies to do so

2. Never really played commander mode so I only see it as Officer management simulator lol

3. Idk wut you mean by taht ;-;

[worthy elbow]

For 3 I mean in this discord how easy is it to find people to play with v

Sadly no friends with the game

[ionic gale]

Yeah, you could find players and stuff like that here

[acoustic ridge]

1. withh a good team its fun (going full larp mode aswell as goofing around)
2. comm mode is same as practice/quickplay but with traits and stress, its better imo
3. people are usually nice, sometimes you wont get along with them but thats just how people are, havent had anyone be necessarily mean/insulting

[ionic gale]

It’s not like I hate commander mode, i just expected it to be more of a actual somewhat story mode but meh with some refining. It could definitely be something like that.

[balmy reef]

i want to take a moment to appreciate the gameplay variety that dormitories presents. the AI on that map combined with the level design completely changes the way i think about cqb as a solo

also a perfect example that variety doesnt have to come through extra mechanics. all it takes is creative and smart level design

[jade apex]

Is the ATF in Ready Or Not for Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms?

[toxic palm]

good question

[fresh basalt]

Should I buy Ready or Not?

[jade apex]

I say go for it, I like the game. Some AI crap is used in it though, it doesn't mention that on the store page.

[toxic palm]

for the streamer level right? wether i think it serves the purpose of portraying the person as scummy, i still think they should use either community sent art or smth

[jade apex]

Also the game does get really dark. If you are sensitive about things like that maybe consider that before you get the game

[toxic palm]

like its a swat game, ill never get over the fact that people got pissy about there being a school shooting level

[jade apex]

The streamer level has it. So do several others... Cherryessa farm, MindJot, some other ones I'd bet

[toxic palm]

other levels have it aswel???? damn

[jade apex]

Yeah the reactions are a bit strange. The game is very respectful about these dark topics which I respect

[upbeat wadi]

honestly it's REALLY out of place and a transparent awkward attempt at a publicity stunt

[toxic palm]

is it really? its a swat game what do you expect to see lol

[jade apex]

How so? Personally I think it sucks somewhat gameplay wise but in story and worldbuilding it didn't feel out of place

[upbeat wadi]

situations swat teams respond to as opposed to hrt, now that you mention it

[upbeat wadi]

school shootings are instant controversy material, and it's one of literally two missions with no tie-ins to any subplots in any way

[toxic palm]

swat does this aswell

like specially since its an active shooter situation

[amber dock]

the fact it doesn't tie in makes perfect sense

[jade apex]

To be fair the entire game is basically controversy material. The no subplots thing makes sense, I am not sure what the writers could tie it into

[toxic palm]

thats like THE swat thing

[upbeat wadi]

not when there's armed suspects with hostages and explosives, they simply don't have the training

[timid siren]

why am i not unlocking new missions in commander mode? ive completed all the ones so far

[upbeat wadi]

no, THE swat thing is serving high risk warrants or responding to shots fired calls

[jade apex]

True, but RoN is an alternate universe and this is Los Suenos. I think it's a bit more feasible for the game

[amber dock]

patrol officers would be the first to respond to an active shooting tho.

[upbeat wadi]

yeah it gets pretty hilarious at times how their area of responsibility seems to be basically "do shit batman would do"

[jade apex]

Security guards acksually

[toxic palm]

everywhere i look up says that SWAT teams were created to respond to active shooter incidents

[upbeat wadi]

rust belt is so absurdly illegal on so many motherfuckin levels you just have to admire the khutzpa that went into that level

[amber dock]

and they do, but patrol officers go in first.

since they're often the first on scene.

[toxic palm]

having our swat team do bomb defusal is prolly just for gameplay sake

[jade apex]

I think he means the bombs, those would be handled by a bomb squad but Judge is special soooo

[timid siren]

why am i not unlocking new missions in commander mode? ive completed all the ones so far with a b score and above

[jade apex]

Gotta admire the work ethic

[amber dock]

Do you mind sending a picture of your mission select screen in #💻tech-support ?

[toxic palm]

anyway, its a police game, if youre shaking your pants over a school shooting level. please rethink why youre even playing the game

[toxic palm]

excerpt from some police department website:
"The mission of the Burbank Police Department's Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Team is the preservation of life and property during critical incidents and high-risk operations. The SWAT Team is called upon to respond for service of high-risk search and arrest warrants; * incidents involving barricaded suspects, hostage rescues, or active shooters *; crowd control; and other situations requiring resources beyond the capacity of the patrol division. "

hostage rescue, barricaded suspects and active shooters, wow i sure wonder if a school shooting would involve that

[toxic palm]

how the fuck would you tie in an emergency situation into the human trafficking ring plot

do you want every mission to be about fuckin CP

[lone raven]

Armed suspects, hostages, explosives. I wonder if there's special teams with special weapons and special tactics that can do stuff.

[upbeat wadi]

you don't, which is why that mission sicks out

[toxic palm]

surely swat doesnt have an EOD team

[upbeat wadi]

as first responders while the fbi hrt team is being raised I guess

their scale of hostage negotiation is more like the gas station mission

[lone raven]

Some do, yes.

Large departments have bomb guys on their team.

[toxic palm]

considering its los suenos is LA

did fbi hrt ever get called for stuff like columbine?

[upbeat wadi]

not columbine, i dont think hrt was really a thing back then

[toxic palm]

yeah they were cause waco and ruby ridge had already happend

[upbeat wadi]

waco was ATF

huh you're right, and hrt too

[toxic palm]

United States government

ATF
FBI
FBI Hostage Rescue Team
Texas Rangers
TXMF
ANG
Special Air Service,1 advisor (SAS)

[upbeat wadi]

yeah

fbi claims they were just standing around not doin nothin

anyway yeah I checked, they don't seem to have been a real player until the mid to late 90s

apparently ruby ridge was what drove the government to create the cirg

[gaunt gale]

[lone raven]

Yeah, you'd imagine they would, obviously it wouldn't happen like it does in the hospital mission, but for gameplay purposes it seems fine

[upbeat wadi]

neon, hospital and carriers are 400% fbi jurisdiction not LSPD

[lone raven]

Really depends on a lot of factors

[upbeat wadi]

rust belt would have to either be some sort of ICE-policía federal joint op or straight up an off the books CIA gig

[upbeat wadi]

nah counterterrorism and domestic terrorism are firmly fbi territory

[toxic palm]

That i agree 500%

[civic surge]

Does homeland have their own hrt?

[toxic palm]

Should be a FISA (fbi) mission

[upbeat wadi]

not that I know of, they almost definitely have some sort of special response team though

[civic surge]

Do they mostly just use FBI hrt for situations?

[lone raven]

Pulse shooting as an example

If you have local response for intervention, that's what you're stuck with

If you have a contained scene or stalemate, that's a different matter

[shy tulip]

There is Homeland Security Investigations, but from what I've heard/seen I don't think they really have a SWAT or HRT equivalent, just armed agents.

The FBI really does take over in that kind of thing as well as working with local/state officers.

[lone raven]

Or Boston with marauding terrorists, it's who encounters first

[toxic palm]

Which brings us to when fbi hrt is deployed yeah good point, bank heist stalemate, waco etc

[shy tulip]

Remember it takes time to organize that team, get them geared up and briefed, and then actually transported to location.

[upbeat wadi]

far as I know if possible then yes

[ionic gale]

Boo

[upbeat wadi]

the reality is that swat teams are a lot less badass than you'd think

[lone raven]

Deployments and scene takeover might also have to meet a threshold, legally speaking too

[toxic palm]

If we didnt get the job done i can imagine FISA hrteam would be behind

[upbeat wadi]

that was an hrt gig

[lone raven]

It was mixed, was the point, timeline wise

[toxic palm]

Yeah they took over the op

[lone raven]

Early intervention is usually local

[toxic palm]

But everyone worked, regardless if fbi or not

[upbeat wadi]

yeah but early intervention basically means setting up a cordon and starting negotiation

[lone raven]

It's like patrol officers doing ALERTT training

[upbeat wadi]

they only go in if shit legit hits the fan, e.g. they refuse to negotiate and start shooting

[toxic palm]

Its not supposed to be badass, its a grim life

[upbeat wadi]

then yeah even the local pd might get involved
but de facto I think that doesn't really happen because see above: swat teams aren't really very good at this sort of thing

[lone raven]

Not even a state level team?

[toxic palm]

I know swat teams are really good at riot control shit

[upbeat wadi]

okay this got blocked so: the recent example starting with a u, 90s example starting with a c

[lone raven]

Yeah

BORTAC

[upbeat wadi]

yeah, but i think for anything large scale like a prison riot it's still hrt

[ionic gale]

What are y’all discussing?

[lone raven]

Deployment of SWAT

[toxic palm]

Wheter some levels shoulda been fbi hrt instead of local pd swat

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I dress up as FISA HRT in sins of the father

[lone raven]

Hospital, Neon Tomb, etc

[upbeat wadi]

honestly I think an easy fix lore wise would be to basically call it something other than an LSPD swat team

[toxic palm]

What if we always played as judge, but the teams we command were different based on level? Like some levels be FISA hrt and others normal swat

[ionic gale]

:o

[toxic palm]

Thatd be cool, cause judge is like a super soldier type character

[upbeat wadi]

lore seems to be basically about the not-cia trying to develop some sort of special team that's competent and incorruptible for actually getting shit done in los sueños because the existing law enforcement is all corrupt, underfunded, incompetent or all of the above

[toxic palm]

I always run the fisa vest w a backpack i loce it

[ionic gale]

What are specific times that FBI HRT is deployed domestically?

[upbeat wadi]

which is how the cabin ghilly suit man knows who you are and what he's trying to tell you

[ionic gale]

like certain crimes or other stuff

[upbeat wadi]

he himself (and the lost behind in general), the cult from carriers and possibly mindjot seem to be results of failed previous attempts

[toxic palm]

Thatd be more interesting

[lone raven]

I'm not American, I don't know

They were at the Synagogue one fairly recently

[upbeat wadi]

hostage situations, rescues of kidnap victims, real high profile arrests like the unabomber or the boston bombing fellers, prison riots

[ionic gale]

ahh

I find the HRT some kewl dudes,

[upbeat wadi]

well occasionally they do fuck up, see waco

[ionic gale]

Yeah

[upbeat wadi]

and I'm not sure but I think benghazi was them too

[ionic gale]

Waco wasn’t kool

I play as the HRT on The Hand maps and also Sins of the Father

[true saddle]

that was a long time ago

[upbeat wadi]

yeah I can't really think of anything more recent

[true saddle]

when was the last large scale hrt deployment even

[upbeat wadi]

the 2016 occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the rescue of three hostages in the 2022 Colleyville synagogue hostage crisis,[43] and the 2023 Greenspoint Hostage Crisis.[44]

[true saddle]

cool

fbi hrt has never been killed in a deployment only 4 fatalities during training exercises (according to wikipedia)

[ionic gale]

Im guessing if local police or SWAT absolutely cannot handle the situation. The hostage rescue team is called in?

[upbeat wadi]

if there's time

[ionic gale]

Yeah, man that’s crazy, your organization’s only deaths were on accident ;-;

[ionic gale]

I’m also guessing they would be called into certain federal crimes?

[lone raven]

Neon Tomb, is there time?

[upbeat wadi]

well it's a major city in california, I'd assume it'd take about as long to raise a swat team as the hrt

[true saddle]

3 of which being helicopter related

[upbeat wadi]

if not then I guess swat would go in and focus on evacuation of any civilians they could find

like room by room

then hrt shows up and takes over

[true saddle]

should i play swat 3

[upbeat wadi]

3? really doubt it's aged very well

I mean, even 4 hasn't really

[true saddle]

4 aged great, it even does some things better than ready or not

imo

[upbeat wadi]

nostalgia
go play the hotel bombs mission, you won't be as sure of that

[ionic gale]

I play it with the Elite Force mod

So I don’t have a vanilla experience kinda

[true saddle]

The set pieces and story telling of swat 4 is really good

[upbeat wadi]

what story 😏

[true saddle]

in swat 4s hospital map the news reporter gives away your entry and you have to cut the cable AND theres actual dialogue. there is nothing like that in RoN

[upbeat wadi]

yeah that was pretty clever

[ionic gale]

It doesn’t have a single overarching story in my opinion

[jade apex]

True, Ready or Not really only has one dialogue cutscene in it

[ionic gale]

Each mission has their own lil self contained adventure

[upbeat wadi]

exactly, it's a collection of mostly unrelated maps with the occasional vague connection

[lone pelican]

Voll

[upbeat wadi]

well tbh it needs work but 23 megs does something comparably clever tbh

[true saddle]

in swat 4 when there is something cool to report instead of “Evidence secured” “bagging evidence” its “Entry team to toc… theres graves… looks like their kids”

[jade apex]

Ready or Not has that

[upbeat wadi]

streamer nerd gets swatted, neighbors mining mindjot bitcoin or whatever (and keeping a shitload of illegal data on their little server farm) panic and think you're there for them

[ionic gale]

Talking about swat 4

[lone raven]

In RON, we'd just headshot the reporter

[true saddle]

not all the time

[ionic gale]

Has wut?

[upbeat wadi]

the voll mission tries to do something like that with the acid barrels in that pit

[jade apex]

Special dialogue when certain things get reported, maybe Swat 4 does it better but I think it's inaccurate to say RoN lacks it

[upbeat wadi]

but i dont think it pulls it off, too subtle and kind of obviously uhhh inspired by the graves moment

• the fresh graves at the carriers vineyard

[true saddle]

also in swat 4 a tuning i like is that something there are unique opening cutscenes in each mission, like entering by helicopter or seeing your team come up a fire escape (minor, i know)

[upbeat wadi]

in fact I'd argue carriers definitely outdoes all the swat 4 maps i can remember

[true saddle]

no.

remember the research center in swat 4

[upbeat wadi]

very vaguely tbh

[civic surge]

They should make it so for commander if you find those little side evidence things your team gets ultra stressed out.

[shy tulip]

Some maps already can stress out your team just by completing them, I think elephant is one of em. But for most players it'd probably be annoying considering most people don't like playing for arrests, whether Void likes that or not

[upbeat wadi]

yeah it'd be literally punishing the player for playing the game how it tells you you're supposed to play it

[ionic gale]

I try to arrest ppl unlike some players

[true saddle]

IMO Id rather have a cast of 4 guys with personalities instead of random officers

[civic surge]

I usually render them unconscious.

[upbeat wadi]

yeah swat 4 definitely wins there

[lone raven]

Does cuffing them after blowing their brains out count?

[ionic gale]

This ultra pissed off AI does make it a bit hard

[north gazelle]

Imaging making a game about the stress, the trauma, the worst aspect of humanity and how police officer are suppoed to not get emotional and only shoot in last resort. And the community play like SS-Dirlewenger

[civic surge]

762 to the legs and shoulders disarms everyone.

[ionic gale]

Uh I guess

[upbeat wadi]

like a real swat team*

[ionic gale]

I don’t want to kill anyone alr? These suspects just are rlly dedicated into doing whatever they doing

[upbeat wadi]

the roe are out of wack for swat 4 and ready or not both, basically if shit gets as far as swat being called in, you get maybe one chance to surrender - before they breach and move in

otherwise you got a gun? down you go

[true saddle]

another minor thing i liked in swat 4 is being able to tell arrested suspects stuff like “save it for the judge!”

[civic surge]

Or just bring flashbangs rather than 10 mags...

[jade apex]

Flashbangs suck gas is better

[upbeat wadi]

gas is very wonky

[civic surge]

I dislike gas

[jade apex]

in ready or not you can slap the suspects heads. Sometimes they are bald too

[upbeat wadi]

yep

[ionic gale]

[upbeat wadi]

i love that animation, it's so out of place and hilarious

[jade apex]

Gas could be so much better

[civic surge]

Kinda funny when a suspect takes someone hostage and one of my co op teammates just blasts them both.

[true saddle]

eh, with flashbangs you can just immediately go in but with gas you have to either wait or get everyone to use a mask

[ionic gale]

[upbeat wadi]

they do that in swat 4 too

[civic surge]

They just tunnel vision when they see a gun

[ionic gale]

Uh yeah if the suspect holds a Glock to a civilians head, all bets are off I’m shooting him in his stupid little face

[upbeat wadi]

nah that's actually not at all what they'd do in real life far as I understand

[lone raven]

Gas is wonky, if an object is in the way like a counter, it somehow doesn't affect them, Neon Tomb second set of rooms has that issue

[civic surge]

Yea but the multiplayer coop teammate just sprays both of them in my matches xD

[upbeat wadi]

in such cases the protocol is to start deescalation

[north gazelle]

If hostage dead then no more hostage situation

[civic surge]

Or throw a flash bang

[north gazelle]

monki tactik

[civic surge]

Or mix up your nonlethal grenade with your frag grenade xD

[jade apex]

Its the hostages fault for being caught, they shouldn't have cooperated like that

[upbeat wadi]

a sniper may take a shot if they have one, cause they can hit them exactly in their spinal cord

[north gazelle]

He is a accomplice, being a human shield is still helpiing the criminal

[lone raven]

Lol where are you getting this stuff from?

[upbeat wadi]

so the rigor mortis won't make em pull the trigger and kill the hostage anyway

[civic surge]

Problem solve, bring armor piercing

[jade apex]

Any specific part of the spine?

[true saddle]

Ready or not does not feature an R Kelly easter egg. Unplayable.

[civic surge]

Make an r Kelly map

[true saddle]

he doesn’t use guns he uses something else

[civic surge]

I really like the harder ai mods. One I used increased the chances of hostiles with knives. Our team didn't pay attention and one hostile knifed all of us in the back.

[true saddle]

bro is playing against the spy

[jade apex]

The knife model is hilarious

[true saddle]

your whole squad just got backstabbed

[civic surge]

Getting gutted by a 8 inch chefs knife.

[true saddle]

how tf do you get disoriented by punches while wearing full coverage steel body armor

RoN gunplay is so good, probably like second in my list

[buoyant fern]

We need some of the GIGN tactical chain mail

[ionic gale]

That’s why I use lethals

[upbeat wadi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaccid_paralysis_(shooting)

[buoyant fern]

You should look up switch's and timers

[lone raven]

Shooting the head

[upbeat wadi]

a specific area in the head

[ionic gale]

But in a very pacific place to avoid any weird muscles spasms

[upbeat wadi]

they're trained to hit exactly that spot

[ionic gale]

Don’t military/police snipers how to train a lot for this type of shot?

[upbeat wadi]

no clue how often they actually manage to do it thought

[ionic gale]

It’s difficult to to I’m rlly sure

[buoyant fern]

who are you talking about specifically?

[lone raven]

Probably medulla oblongata

But I thought spinal he meant a very specific spinal shot which would've been a weird one

[upbeat wadi]

the t-box, a tiny area in your head that if you shoot someone there, it hits em right in the medula oblongata and drops them before it has time to send out a signal for muscle spasm

[buoyant fern]

yeah i know

[upbeat wadi]

nah lmao

my gut says even if there's a sniper in place they probably try to deescalate anyway

[civic surge]

I usually play with people that shoot hostiles like 5-8 times.

[ionic gale]

[upbeat wadi]

you really don't want a media shitstorm with headlines like BOTCHED SWAT SNIPER SHOT KILLS HOSTAGE, INVESTIGATION PENDING

[lone raven]

Or no shot at all like the Lindt cafe siege

[buoyant fern]

anatomical target https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921528178789474314/1272407857924407387/image.png?ex=66badda9&is=66b98c29&hm=7039a48d7bf49363d20342261812cd609a17662733dfa665b0ab3a001186d642&

[upbeat wadi]

heart too? I thought that would cause a spasm for sure

[buoyant fern]

switchs and timers

[civic surge]

At the same time not everyone can become a sniper tho so you wouldn't get as many fuck ups due to training no?

[buoyant fern]

it also depends on the bullet and range

[upbeat wadi]

training is great and all but real life conditions tend to be a little different

[lone raven]

Chest shots are generally unreliable for immediate incapacitation

[buoyant fern]

3 77gr hollow points will incapacitate you instantly

[lone raven]

Even aorta shots

[civic surge]

Wasn't there that recent video of a sniper getting a close range headshot through a computer monitor?

[ionic gale]

WUT

[upbeat wadi]

epic

[lone raven]

But in the case of hostage takers, I agree with Bub

Shoot them in face

[civic surge]

Oh always

I've done so many headshots I just one tap them with confidence

[buoyant fern]

Tho in some situations a m855 to the heart is a mortal wound but with adrenalin they may have a few minutes of life left in them. But a T box shot with m855 will kill.

[civic surge]

How about a 12 gauge slug round

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I have justification to take down the threat as another person’s life is in danger

[buoyant fern]

to the heart you drop like a dear

[civic surge]

How about to the head

Besides the PTSD the hostage will develop

[buoyant fern]

you drop like a doll with its strings cut lol

[upbeat wadi]

but your brain stays alive for like a minute or so doesn't it

which means here comes the muscle spasm

[civic surge]

Even if it gets torn to shreds by a slug round?

[lone raven]

Not in that capacity, they usually "drop like liquid"

[upbeat wadi]

we're talking heart wound

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that the slug going through your cranium there isn’t gonna be much left

If you are talking about a headshot

[buoyant fern]

yeah incap like 1-2min and dead in about 6min

[upbeat wadi]

honestly that's the spookiest thing about fatal gunshot wounds

[lone raven]

I don't know where you're getting this from. But there's a whole field for this called wound ballistics. You should read Dr Gary K Roberts stuff.

[upbeat wadi]

people who look dead actually stay alive for a few minutes after the shot, sometimes way longer even

[buoyant fern]

its not pretty or like in the movies, its horrific.

[lone raven]

Headshot incapacitation is 99% instant.

[buoyant fern]

that why when the military do CQB everyone has shots on target. We make sure they are dead.

[upbeat wadi]

double tap and all

[buoyant fern]

like a dude on the ground is getting shot like 12 times

[lone raven]

What?

[buoyant fern]

everyone has shots on targets

[jade apex]

We are shooting people

[lone raven]

I am in a different world apparently. Dead checks are two in the head. And move on.

[ionic gale]

[buoyant fern]

it can depend on your TTP

[civic surge]

Would you double tap with a shotgun?

[lone raven]

Why waste another 10 on a guy with his brains out?

[civic surge]

To make sure he won't be a zombie lol

[lone raven]

DLC 2 LEAKED

[buoyant fern]

no everyone in the room which can be like 10 guys shoots him in the kill box

[jade apex]

RoN zombies would be awesome

[lone raven]

That sounds very American.

[civic surge]

It is. Murica

Doesn't the military destroy unused rounds?

[buoyant fern]

depends

[civic surge]

Do bullets have expiration dates?

[buoyant fern]

we may donate them to people if we can

[jade apex]

I wish the flashbangs were more intense. I just saw the ones in Swat 4

[buoyant fern]

technically yes

[civic surge]

Blown eardrums and permanent blindness?

[lone raven]

Anyways someone said before they'd deescalate if there was a hostage shield, I don't think that's smart.

[jade apex]

yeh

[civic surge]

Would 9 bangers disable you for quite a while?

[jade apex]

YEH

[civic surge]

Then why does mod no work? :((

[jade apex]

IDK

[buoyant fern]

one sec i think i have a working one

[boreal osprey]

Why so many people in the voice channels tonight? Don't think I've seen that many people before.

[buoyant fern]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4319

[civic surge]

Nice thanks

[lone raven]

Not really.

[shy tulip]

The worst situation of all. . .

The Europeans are awake. . .

[civic surge]

Nooooooooo

[worthy elbow]

Its 7 in the morning here. People better be asleep or working

[amber dock]

wrong, it's midnight

[north gazelle]

it's 07h39 or as you barbarians say 7am

and most of us are on PTO for like two months (and wasting it on video game)

[civic surge]

Wrong again its 1053pm

[civic surge]

Tf is that

Thats time that could be spent working harder and burning out

[north gazelle]

Yeah maybe but if i don't complain about my work and do the least work possible they take my french citizenship and they are gonna shoot me in the neck in some alley

french custom and culture don't judge

[worthy elbow]

😂😭

[upbeat wadi]

ce bordel c'est quoi, il est huit heures et demi et t'es toujours pas en grève ??

[stable kernel]

A funny meme, but please keep it English only in this discord

[upbeat wadi]

literally 1984

[proven axle]

MEURS TABARNAK

translation: die tabarnacle (very helpful)

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/kaons-1984-gif-26017963

[civic surge]

No its 2024 oldman

[upbeat wadi]

damn time flies

[civic surge]

My friend told me they don't read any books they only listen to audiobooks

[hushed glen]

one day game works perfectly fine next day it's 38fps WHY

[umbral oar]

Game’s bipolar

[onyx olive]

I downloaded mods but the maps never show up when I am playing single player mode. How do I play the other maps?

[stone stump]

map mods aren't really possible right now, the ones you downloaded are outdated

[boreal fossil]

any working mods for more ammo slots?

[acoustic ridge]

gunfighter

[boreal fossil]

Gunfighter Gameplay Improvement 4?

[lone raven]

Yes

[boreal fossil]

I'll try it out

[tough edge]

Im deleting ron

[lone raven]

Same.

[onyx olive]

Why delete it?

[noble pasture]

Slapped the gun out of George Brixley's hand with a bean bag shotgun

[north gazelle]

I challenge you to do that with SA-58 jhp (result may varies)

[stone bay]

in the bearcat loading screen it still says practice

cool fact

[stone stump]

the incompetence is truly fascinating

[umbral oar]

they changed the practice name?

[boreal fossil]

yes

to "quick play" because it makes more sense

[umbral oar]

thats pretty cool

[lone raven]

Quick practice

[umbral oar]

much better than practice

[crystal sierra]

What's the other side objectives in Narcos missions beside PC in first house?

[chilly ember]

yeah ron keeps crashing and i dont have any mods on

[umbral oar]

there’s 2 crime scenes, the one in the first house and the one next to it on the left side

i mean uhh right with the dead dog

gosh i still dont know my lefts and rights

[sly nest]

Yeah the chair and the dead doggo

[drifting sand]

I got REAL trigger happy after I found that dog

[unkempt cairn]

I just completed the home invasion DLC. Anyone else have stuttering and AI not responding during playthroughs or is it a me problem?

[queen rapids]

I hope we get dogs soon 🐕🐕

[alpine laurel]

Is anyone else noticing an issue with the magnum? Until recently I was dropping un/light armoured suspects with one hit to the upper torso. Now they either just don't take their hit or they sorta squat down for a second before going back to what they're doing. Yes these are known hits, it's not missing.

[jolly verge]

.357 AP pen only L2 vests and oneshot suspect only if they have regular 320 health

[alpine laurel]

I'm talking nobody thugs that have nothing on them.

[jolly verge]

No visual armor on suspect does not mean he unarmored

and like i said it's still oneshot only if suspect have no more than 320 health

If you tell specific map you have problem with I can tell what amount of health and what armor suspects wear

[noble pasture]

Is so god damn hard to S rank even with bots

Finished Data Center with 5/5 injured officers

Bots: So we have semi auto pepper ball guns with limited ammo capacity. Lets fire them as fast as we can and then sit like ducks

[stone bay]

Wouldn't recommend trying to S rank with bots tbh

AI is too dumb and you're running the rest of restarting if one of them dies

which happens quite a lot when you're going non-lethal

[static slate]

if one agent died, you lost the S rank ? thats lame

just did the third mission on S rank, thanks god i had a ton of flash

[stone bay]

Pretty much

[static slate]

i rather say "stay here" to my agent and just do the mission solo

but yeah, can't imagine Valley of doll with bots lol

[stone bay]

I tried S ranking Valley of dolls before, pretty difficult imo

there's something about the odd angles of the mansion that really pisses me off

Also the fact that the windows can't be broken with non-lethal, pretty damn annoying

[full shore]

The odd angles make it really fun. But the glass is super annoying bc the baddies can shoot you through them, but you can't in certain areas

[stone bay]

Exactly, like, the bean bag round is pretty much a fabric pillow filled with lead shot, and you're telling me it can't break a window?

[buoyant fern]

is there a console cmd or a mod that allows you to respawn that guy in the basement. Saw a guy do it in a lobby i was in, wanna figure out how to do it

[toxic palm]

he does after a bit

[noble pasture]

lost an S rank cause my mouse is too small

instead of middle mouse I missclicked and bean bagged a surrendered suspect

[tropic night]

anyone know why my IR laser appears like the Red dot laser? on NVG its just a dot and not a thick straight line

[noble pasture]

a few suspects straight up mag dumped the bridge in the living room

took a minute just so that 1 suspect that did give up doesnt get domed in the head by his own team

[stone bay]

That sucks lmfao

[stone bay]

Pretty sure they changed it on the latest update

Or it's a bug :P

[pure blaze]

No

[noble pasture]

now a suspect killed a civie that was cuffed

[toxic palm]

no, its a bug, never seen that happen

[pure blaze]

You can still get S if u report the guy that died and do everything else perfect

[noble pasture]

no

an incapped civie is worth less

[pure blaze]

Im talking abt officers

[noble pasture]

I am so mad at SWAT AI

they are babies, they always been

[toxic palm]

yeh you can S rank with dead swat

friend did it with me, i died he reported my body and we got S in the end

[noble pasture]

they have the tactical know how of a guy who just installed today

[toxic palm]

happens

[stone bay]

To be frank, I they are programmed for you to do the heavy lifting

[jade apex]

These suspects really do have perfect accuracy someitmes

[tacit gull]

You can't S rank with dead* AI officers, only with online players

[toxic palm]

ah i see

[tame wren]

Alright I need to ask cause I feel like I'm going crazy. Is it just me or do the suspects have some insanely high health?

I'm playing with my friend right now and in just one mission, I've had 2 situations in which a suspect with a gun tanked 2 shots, 5.56 ap, one to the body and one to the head, before they surrendered.
The second situation was when I got jumpscared by one of the suspects (same mission), and proceeded to unload 4 rounds from a five-seven, jhp, into their stomach before they also surrendered. Am I going insane?

Just to confirm this isn't the first time this happened, I've had situations before where a suspect seemingly tanked a lot of shots and just killed me, but I always thought my aim was just shit until I started using shadowplay to record

[sharp dirge]

I haven't experienced anything like that but any time i hit a suspect around their mouth area they don't die

just aim higher c:

[jolly verge]

If you not a host than it's totally fine, you will see blood and effect from armor/blood/brain, but no damage at all. What map did you play?

[tame wren]

Thing is I AM the host, map was carriers of the vine

[jolly verge]

No mods that can modify health/armor stats on suspects?

[tame wren]

pure vanilla

[lone raven]

In the head, where do you mean?

[toxic palm]

shoot pelvis more :)

[lone raven]

Everything else sounds completely normal.

[toxic palm]

sa-58 is your friend

[tame wren]

Around the jaw / cheek, through their mask. I know I hit cause they staggered before giving up

[stone hearth]

i love watching as a suspect with a rifle can be fully accurate while running but i cant hit a brick wall from 2 feet while moving myself

[lone raven]

Yeah, a face shot is not a headshot. They can take those.

[tame wren]

ain't no way

[jolly verge]

Suspects on this map wear can wear L3A vest and have regular 320 health pool, it's always 2 torso shot from 5.56 AP to incap, 5.7 JHP will pen only L2 vest

[tame wren]

Ladies in night gowns have 3A hidden under there?

[jolly verge]

shots to the face count as headshot, but around collar bone - no, another thing that you might just shoot through their arms or obstacles

[lone raven]

This game really realigns perspectives.

[jolly verge]

Yes

it's just vests without meshes

you still gonna see effect from armor hit and hit marker sound btw

[tame wren]

Well then thank you for clarifying, I might start to just full auto cause it feels like everyone and their mother have vests

[jolly verge]

2 torso shots is enough to incap with 5.56 AP

[tame wren]

Yeah that's why I was confused, but honestly even with a vest I'd expect them to at least writhe in pain after being shot with a rifle like that. Still thanks

[noble pasture]

tips for S ranking Valley? @jolly verge

[jolly verge]

Stagger chance with 5.56 on hitting armor is 85%, it's not consistent

[toxic palm]

play with human players all using beanbag

easiest way to S rank is that

[tame wren]

Last question, do different guns have different damage / stagger chance depending on their barrel length / muzzle velocity, or is the caliber all that matters?

[jolly verge]

only caliber/ammo type matter

[noble pasture]

it feels like that map has 20 suspects unmoded

[jolly verge]

nah, only 14/16

[toxic palm]

i guess bring alot of gas

[noble pasture]

can suspects run out of ammo? A guy fired at an angle for 5 minutes straight

[jolly verge]

Check this spreadsheet, there all info you need about guns in game https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[toxic palm]

or again, human players better for S ranking, i know they reload

[jolly verge]

yes, usually they have only 4 mags

[crude prism]

certain actions like "suppressing fire" don't actually consume ammo, but ye

[toxic palm]

thats why so many dudes surrender after long firefights

[jolly verge]

it's actually was added with update, when out of ammo they will drop gun and surrender from first yell

[stone bay]

What did do before that, just stare at you menacingly?

[jolly verge]

yes

[noble pasture]

a fucking SWAT AI walked in front of me holding a door

if I could punch them without getting penalized I would

[jolly verge]

last time i punched swat ai i did not get any FF penalty

[noble pasture]

worst tactical sense I have seen in a game

straight up he was with his back to the door I was covering

[stone bay]

for how long have you been complaining about the SWAT AI

[crude prism]

this is RoNcord sir, all we do is complain

[stone bay]

Shocking

[sharp dirge]

i hate the swat ai

"you're in my spot" every time i load a level

[stone bay]

Where do you equip the balaclava's from the DLC update?

[wispy cypress]

multiplayer

[tacit gull]

bro had that ready

[stone bay]

Multiplayer, they didn't exactly add them as a "cosmetic"

[stone bay]

so they are a character not a option?

[wispy cypress]

yea

ik, it's lame asf tbh

[stone bay]

yea that's lame lol

[tacit gull]

They might change it in the future, but right now that is what it is

[turbid pawn]

I don't understand how it is possible to do dorms in 5 minutes

[tacit gull]

multiplayer

[stone bay]

You understand or don't understand

[turbid pawn]

don't sorry

[turbid pawn]

oh

[stone bay]

nw, yeah, multiplayer is your best choice, mostly because you and your team can do multiple things instead one at time

[wispy cypress]

they could make fit balaclava for Judge.. BOOM EASY
and then make balaclava as a cosmetic. with different skins, black, camo etc

[turbid pawn]

yes i think

[tacit gull]

If they were to make the balaclava a cosmetic they would have to make it fit everyone as well as create a new customisation slot

[noble pasture]

Did Valley

last civie was hiding in some dark corner in the party tents

just 19 minutes

had some Bullshit suspects who tried to shoot me through the big glass windows

[crude prism]

weak

you just have to die in spawn so the AI completes it automatically in under 5 min

ez

[tacit gull]

if they dont get stuck before they manage to get into the building

[crude prism]

real 😔

[noble pasture]

This is bullshit

suspects on elephant executed a civie by 02:30

[shy tulip]

Sounds correct to me

[noble pasture]

what am I supposed to do?

[tight knot]

play with me duh .

[noble pasture]

they keep killing civies. and no

[tight knot]

im on elephant using meth mod + chaos valhalla archetype mod

you're playing the ez mode suffice to say

[shy tulip]

Get to them before 2:30

[noble pasture]

I think a suspect is boud to be at the library on second floor

[wispy cypress]

sinner

[shy tulip]

That's me

[noble pasture]

its so fucking hard

Elephant might be hardest S rank to get in the game

[tacit gull]

It's really not, it's the worst S rank in the game probably because it ends in 10 seconds and then you spend the next hour looking for a civilian in a corner

[amber dock]

Sinner.

[shy tulip]

That's also me

[steep ridge]

how much crack did the AI smoke before you load into greased palms

6th attempt and the fisa agent has the ambition to rush my ai squad like rambo and the health of a bleeding ant

[amber dock]

How are you

[crude prism]

I think port is probably the worst, elephant is tedious, but at least it's "fast" to finish the actual hard part (getting all suspects)

[tacit gull]

I still haven't tried port S rank yet

[sharp dirge]

I S ranked it in 7 minutes first try

[pearl shuttle]

I never try to get S rank

[crude prism]

pepperball and beanbag are the only weapons in the whole game that fire slow ass projectiles instead of hitscan
biggest map in the game with ridiculously long sightlines

suffering

[tacit gull]

Atleast the beanbag hits somewhat consistently now, as in the past the projectile could literally poof or the pepperball could explode midair

Now the projectile just goes through hitboxes, which is really fun

[static slate]

elephant is the one in the postal office ?

[agile topaz]

no its the college shooting one

[static slate]

ah okay

my next mission is the one in the server room and i feel S ranking it is going to be complicated cause enemy wear big armor

[agile topaz]

yeah the suspects have been known to just immediately in like 2 minutes just start shooting for no reason making it hard to get s rank and the server mission is hard the solution for any problem in RoN is gas and bangs a lot of them💀

[noble pasture]

College shooting

[noble pasture]

Less lethal guns ignore armor. Beware of windows

[static slate]

i did the third mission with bots and non lethal loadout, lot of flash and "get the fuck down" lol, 13 suspect 💀

[agile topaz]

see my solution is to never try to s rank in this game or achievement grind so i just go to using three 5.56 mags a suspect