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[frail pier]

Body blocked by a bot

[astral warren]

Apparently I can't call a meth head who punches me a female dog, thanks gestapobot.

But the effect from them punching is so intense I literally couldn't tell if they were punching or stabbing me, so I assumed they were stabbing me and shot them dead.

A civillian punching you is the same effect as standing on a stinger grenade, nearly, which is silly af, unless we're ACTUALLY taking Mike Tyson into custody, then I can understand it.

[noble pasture]

5/5 players, aparentely you can skip the evidence gathering

[frail pier]

Yeah it's just main obj

[astral warren]

Yeah you can soft complete once all the main objs are done.

gas taser only any% wr

Call it the Mr. Electric challenge.

[frail pier]

Tazer easier fr... just get the 5 arrests and drop everyone else

[astral warren]

https://tenor.com/view/mister-electric-send-him-principals-gif-24418029

[frail pier]

Gas when I tried it had them running around those gaps too much. Mfers would cough then take off through a gap.

But if you play with others that's probably not a huge issue

[astral warren]

What gaps? I didn't know gas had places suspects could slip through like all the holes in the walls on meth.

[frail pier]

The gaps in all the walls and rooms?

[astral warren]

Like, places where they do the special side step animation, and can't shoot for a while?

[frail pier]

Yeh.. I tried gas and had like 4 dudes affected. But sometimes they'll disappear through that shit. Me playing solo that kills time.

[mystic walrus]

Taser and Beanbag is the best way to do non lethal

[frail pier]

^

[astral warren]

I don't think I've even seen places where they can do that on gas, I'll have to look around it sometime.

[wispy cypress]

melee is better

[astral warren]

Melee is OP af. You can melee someone who's shooting at you and they'll stop like 80% of the time.

[frail pier]

No not on gas station. CS gas lol. Common on dorms

[mystic walrus]

Depends, it makes them surrender without making sounds resulting in nobody being alarmed

[astral warren]

OOOOOOOHHHHH!!!! I'm slow, sorry.

[frail pier]

All good lol

[mystic walrus]

Good if you wanna be stealthy, but useless once a gunshots been fired

[mystic walrus]

you can also just Taze or shoot them with the beanbag, that's 100% gonna make them stop

[astral warren]

You can't suppress the beanbag gun, but you can suppress a real gun, and just double tap them as soon as they raise their weapon so they can't shoot before they're incapped. Suppressors halve the stress increase of gunshots.

[astral warren]

Beanbag has given me mixed results, taser has also given me mixed results.

[mystic walrus]

no, they literally will 100% make the enemy enter that animation

[weak mist]

Yo I am trying to get S rank on elephant but the shooters keep just randomly shooting civies from the other side of the map, what tf am I supposed to do abt it

[astral warren]

Sometimes suspects will be stunned by, but refuse to surrender to, a beanbag gun. Sometimes the taser simply does not work, which makes sense, because they're equally as unreliable in real life.

[mystic walrus]

If they didn't then you aimed terribly, nothing else

[wispy cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wSxRvcQT6A

[mystic walrus]

Oh you mean that? That's when you use pepper spray

[wispy cypress]

"You call this resisting arrest? We call this a difficulty tweak"

[frail pier]

The only issue I had was with tazer earlier but again... 400 ping🤣 on normal ping 0 issues

[wispy cypress]

ping ping ping ping ping and again PING

[astral warren]

I don't want to have to carry multiple forms of less lethal on my person just to make 1 suspect surrender, that's stupid, just make people pass out after x # of beanbag rounds and become incapped in case they think they're iron man and don't want to surrender.

[frail pier]

What happens when you connect to 3rd world internet

[wispy cypress]

im just in europe bruh

[astral warren]

Also beanbag gun is scary when a suspect takes a hostage, because beanbags don't have a headshot multiplier, they're just programmed to set NPC health to 0.

[wispy cypress]

y'all watched this?

[weak mist]

I just take cover and throw a flash/stinger in that situation

[astral warren]

Thankfully no pen

[astral warren]

Okay, but the suspect just shot the hostage, so what good has that done you?

[weak mist]

Never happened to me when I take cover and throw a nade

[astral warren]

I am particularly unlucky, it would seem.

[mystic walrus]

What

"Just to make 1 person surrender"

1 taser carries 6 shots, that's 6 people down without resistance

Pepper spray you only need 1 for the entire map

Beanbag is there if they are too far away

Boom now you have the easiest S rank set up

[weak mist]

Maybe, only time the suspect has shot the hostage for me is if I am looking at the supsect for some time without doing anything

[astral warren]

You misunderstood, my point was, I shouldn't have to worry about suspects refusing to surrender to certain kinds of less lethal, which then necessitates I carry more than one, in case the first one stuns them, but won't make them surrender.

[wispy cypress]

Resisting Arrest combat when? VOID??
Ngl we can't do nothing, getting cornered in Dorms all the time, then i can't do nothing, because when you are too close to the suspect or wall whatever, u can't do nothing.

can't do nothing.

[astral warren]

You could try shooting the bad guys.

[mystic walrus]

I dont get your point, if you don't wanna play non lethal then don't

"I shouldn't have to!" You don't have to lmao

[wispy cypress]

what, im frl rn, cornered boom insta death, can't shoot, bash nothin

wack ass swat members, we need some trained mfs

[astral warren]

My point is that is bad gameplay, and unintuitive. Why would I assume that if a beanbag gun is stunning a suspect, repeatedly, but they keep returning to a firing position, that I should then pull out pepper spray, and disarm myself of any ballistic weapon WHILE the suspect is armed, and clearly willing to fire upon me?

That's some simon's quest crouch in this corner at night until a magical tornado takes you to the next level type cryptic shit.

I would have to be literally suicidal to discover that fact naturally through gameplay.

That's not an action any reasonably minded player is going to undertake of their own volition.

[mystic walrus]

More realistic than you might think lol
Especially meth heads are known to kind of not feel pain, irritation works better for that

[full shore]

But... But... But... Muh S rank!

[astral warren]

This game isn't realistic because nobody sends 5 SWAT officers to deal with 3 known cop killers holed up in a compound. The ATF would be there to burn the place to the ground "on accident" like with Waco.

[mystic walrus]

I didn't say it was realistic, also if you can't figure out that if someone isn't bothered by pain to use something else then that's on you

[dusky oak]

Do you have to finish all missions in the game to unlock the DLC if you have purchased it?

[astral warren]

"More realistic than you might think"
"I didn't say it was realistic"
Well, then just what are you saying? Because I don't know, and I don't think you do, either.

[full shore]

No

[mystic walrus]

No unless you're playing campaign

[dire elm]

The maps arent in commander mode yet

[dusky oak]

thank yall

[mystic walrus]

? You sure? I mean I saw the the menu
Good to know

[silk junco]

holy bucketman

[dire elm]

I dont have it but p sure they are getting added next patch, they didnt get addes due to atory reason, p sure they happen like 3y after

[mystic walrus]

Yeah, 2 different sentences I didn't say it was realistic but that was more realistic than you might think

Reading is a cool ability

[astral warren]

You seem upset.

[mystic walrus]

I'm not, couldn't be bothered less by you

[astral warren]

You seem REALLY upset now.

[long cipher]

the 2nd statement doesn't contradict with the first

[mystic walrus]

? What are you on about

We are having a normal conversation and now you try to paint me as if I'm upset about you

I dont understand your viewpoint and I made it clear, I wouldn't call that being upset

[astral warren]

The beanbag shotgun is a primary weapon, yes?

[mystic walrus]

When I did all my srank, yeah

[astral warren]

It replaces your primary weapon, so you can have a primary less lethal. DESPITE, replacing your primary weapon, it is less effective than just loading up on flash bangs with no primary ammo, and bringing pepper spray, since pepper spray seems to be more effective that literally just shooting someone in the chest with birdshot in a kevlar bag, so it hopefully doesn't go into them.

It is bad gameplay for the player to have to BOTH replace their primary, and bring additional equipment in order to consistently arrest suspects with the PRIMARY LESS LETHAL OPTION.

[full shore]

Gauging realism via S Rank requirements. The RON delusion of grandeur

[astral warren]

^ This one lol

[mystic walrus]

Again, what are you on about

It replaces your primary with a non lethal weapon because you want to be non lethal

If you dont want to be non lethal then don't, the game is not forcing you to do this

[astral warren]

No, the game isn't forcing you to play it, or even buy it, either, what's your point?

[long cipher]

beanbag is less lethal, not non lethal

[astral warren]

But to get an S rank you need to know that the STRONGEST less lethal option, a beanbag shotgun, is WORSE than pepperspray in practice. How the fuck does that make sense?

[mystic walrus]

Exactly, so why do you play it if you're upset by the option to not murder everyone?

[full shore]

It's not supposed to make sense. It's a game with arcade style points lol

[mystic walrus]

I'm aware, however I never actually killed one with it because unless your aim is terrible you shouldn't have it too hard

[sick valve]

just remember you can lethal the entire map with headshots using the beanbag (do what you will with that info)

[dim swallow]

void doesnt understand their playerbase, SWAT has always been a game about a restrictive ROE that is actively hindering you, hell SWAT 4 doesnt even permit the player to return fire UNLESS said fire is harming anyone close to you, while here ? might aswell rename the main gamemode to Terrorist Hunt

[astral warren]

This 1000 times over.

[long cipher]

i killed several xD
heeadshot, 2 body shots etc

[mystic walrus]

Listen, you are upset over the game and if you don't like it then don't

But don't press your opinion on other people

I never heard anyone complain like you do about the non lethal missions

Again, as you said yourself they aren't forcing you to play the game either, play something else then

[dim swallow]

for a game brandishing itself as "the spiritual sequel to SWAT 4" it plays an awful lot like Rainbow Six instead

[mystic walrus]

If you say so? That's your opinion and that's cool

Doesn't mean I agree with it but again, you dont have to play the game lol

[dire elm]

You have mods to make it less lethal pretty sure lol

[mystic walrus]

I forgot about mods, yeah you can run those too

[long cipher]

and also some to make it more lethal xd

[dire elm]

Fr

[dim swallow]

if you need mods to make the game enjoyable is it a good game in the first place?

[long cipher]

but i mean we have the sa58 for that xDDD

[dire elm]

You cant make everyone happy with the base game, however mods can help with that

[astral warren]

I am not complaining about less lethal options, I am complaining that the game expects you to shoot a guy 5 times with beanbag rounds while he's armed, observe he will continue to try and shoot you despite this, and then SOMEHOW come to the conclusion "Gee I oughta pull out my pepper spray now, that'll really show him after I shattered all of his ribs, and sternun!!!"

[shy tulip]

(Wait till they find out about SWAT 4 Elite Force)

[sick valve]

i need a dragon's breath mod for the bean bag

[dim swallow]

yeah ik that eezstreet eased up the ROE in SEF

[mystic walrus]

Depends, I enjoy the game without mods but most games are better with mods

Name me one game that isn't better with mods lol

[long cipher]

i need mods to make gta 5 enjoyable but it is still a good game ^^

[astral warren]

It is NOT intuitive, which means it is bad gameplay, and the ultimate purpose of a video game is to BE FUN. Less lethal CAN be fun, IF you know everything about the game, but you wouldn't know that unless you died like 15 times trying it out, and that's not something normal people will do.

[long cipher]

u need to hit them once with beanbag......

[shy tulip]

I don't think pepper is necessarily the solution, but I don't think they're entirely wrong. In that case I don't see why you wouldn't (if the option exists) deploy other tools, especially if taking them alive is your priority.

You have flashes, stingers, gas, taser, pepper, etc.

[astral warren]

The beanbag stuns them, they may not surrender after being stunned. They may NEVER surrender after being stunned.

[shy tulip]

Plenty of times where I just play and take enjoyment watching a flashbang donk a suspects head before exploding

[long cipher]

seems like a you problem, never had that one before

[mystic walrus]

The game doesn't FORCE you to do that

That's what everyone here is trying to tell you

You can give everyone headshots and solo missions but you don't HAVE to

How you play the game is up to you my man

If you don't enjoy non lethal then DONT why is this so hard for you to get

You dont have to force yourself to play a game or play the game that way

[dire elm]

You cant make every single player happy with the base game, lol, there are always 1-2 players complaining, so mods help with that, imo the game is perfectly fine as it is

[astral warren]

The game ranks you better for less lethal, that implies that is the intended way of playing the game, or the optimal one. It is not intuitive to play the game optimally, therefore it is bad gameplay design.

[dim swallow]

probably played when 1.0 dropped, there was a bug where getting flashed would instead increase suspect morale, where a single flashbang can make the most lowly of criminal fight like he's never seeing tomorrow again

[mystic walrus]

What does the S rank give you? A tattoo

So unless you wanna claim that the tattoo somehow enhances the game, the s rank is useless

[long cipher]

it ranks u better bc living suspects are obv better than dead ones lmao

[astral warren]

Nobody can read what I'm typing so I'm just going to stop. You're both so stuck on believing me to hate less lethal you can't actually READ what I'm typing. The only reason this conversation started was because HOLYBucketMan defended the idea that a player should shoot someone repeatedly with a beanbag shot gun, and then decide to pull out pepper spray to FINALLY make them surrender. Which as I have stated like 5 times by now, is not intuitive, and would not be done by a player by themselves without outside advice. Non lethal should not be easy, it should be difficult, but to make it difficult through insane gameplay decisions like pepper spray working better than beanbag rounds is NOT the way to make it difficult.

[long cipher]

it isn't like u need s to get the other missions

[astral warren]

Quit typing. Read.

[mystic walrus]

We are not stuck on anything, we are telling you that nobody forces you to do what you do

[astral warren]

That's not what I'm talking about, you still cannot read.

[mystic walrus]

I didn't even defend the mechanic that much, I just told you that if you don't enjoy it don't do it

[long cipher]

tbf it actually seems like u are mad or in a bad mental state lmao

[mystic walrus]

Nobody here seems to get what you are on about, that's the problem

You complain about non lethal, we tell you it's optional, you say the same thing you said before repeat

[astral warren]

Yes, it's optional, but just because it's optional, doesn't mean it couldn't be made more enjoyable and consistent to use.

[mystic walrus]

I think its enjoyable, this is YOUR opinion man

Opinions are good, you dont have to like everything

[astral warren]

More enjoyable does not mean it isn't currently enjoyable.

[shy tulip]

Ahem

Can we just settle on

[astral warren]

Apparently not.

[shy tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/413416786235490327/1262080196975132803/SPOILER_togif.gif?=&width=632&height=787

I think we can all agree on this

[long cipher]

CATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
GIMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[mystic walrus]

cats are pretty dope

[elder void]

Hey so update this Friday?

[astral warren]

A cat killed my pet mouse when I was 11.

[long cipher]

fr but dogs are still better

[long cipher]

womp womp, the mouse def had a skill issue

[astral warren]

lmao, got you.

[elder void]

Cause game still needs Update

[mystic walrus]

i prefer snakes and shit tho, crocs are also cool

[astral warren]

Oh man, I shouldn't have said that was a joke, I'm sure the jannies would have tore you a new one for that.

[mystic walrus]

You both seem to be unable to read a room

[long cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stupid-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-gif-12221001666588210206

[mystic walrus]

Do yourselves a favor and just stop? Whats the point of wasting eachothers time anyways

[astral warren]

Stop what?

[long cipher]

it's not wasted, it's fun brotha

[mystic walrus]

If you cant even see what i mean then you really cant read a room

Have fun with your stuff though

[astral warren]

HOLYBucketMan isn't cultured enough to enjoy shitposting, clearly.

[long cipher]

FRFRFR
gonna open my shitpost folder now

[sick valve]

interesting thought but what if, in the future, we could strip/drop a plate when it's broken for movespeed?

[astral warren]

The only plates that weigh enough to bother stripping are steel and they don't break.

Full ceramic is roughly the same speed as 1 steel plate

[long cipher]

acctually a good idea maybe u could send it to a team member or in feedback ig?

[long cipher]

BUT I WANT MY 20cm TITANIUM PLATING!!!

[sick valve]

I'm not sure what the speed values are in the game, someone dropped a google doc at some point with dmg calcs but i've losted it

[mystic walrus]

Nah they work different

Steel makes it so that when youre stuck in crossfire you can barely move, protects you more but youre almost stuck in place

Ceramic breaks but gives you the same protection and keeps mobility

Kevlar is useless though, it needs to be remade

[long cipher]

kevlar is okay against 9mm

[astral warren]

Kevlar is 100% a noob trap.

[sick valve]

i've been running front only steel so it wouldn't really change how i play but depending on the values i figured it might be a quirky idea. i'd have to double check the data if it's not much difference then prob a useless idea

[mystic walrus]

Overall the most optimal way to run for me is Ceramic Full Light

[astral warren]

No, kevlar is garbage against everything, because it only provides 10% more protection than broken ceramic, except only against like 4 or 5 guns the suspects use, maybe.

[astral warren]

Light carrier only lets you have back and front, no side plates. That was a bug in the last version, you didn't actually get side plates w/ the light carrier.

[long cipher]

who needs side plates?

[mystic walrus]

is that a bug though? You dont have side plates on any carrier visually anyways

Im pretty sure the heavy carrier only has stab protection on the sides

[sick valve]

i havent used them in ages, mostly because if you're paying attention then you're going to be facing the shooter

[astral warren]

Heavy carrier has side plates, light carrier does not, and never has. It said you could last update but it was a bug on the light carrier.

[long cipher]

fr

[mystic walrus]

I dont really know if side plates have any practical use in game but i dont need them so i wont use them

have a few more mags is always more optimal than more armor

As they said in the army "Wirkung vor Deckung"

[frail pier]

Anything that doesn't get plates on it also fill with kevlar. Heavy ceramic on front will get kevlar on sides and back. Front ceramic on light only gets it on the back and not sides since no side protection

[sick valve]

i burn through mags like crazy esp. on the smgs, always take a couple extra over rear armor

[astral warren]

I forgot about heavy giving kevlar on empty slots.

I just don't ever use heavy because it's garbo, and kevlar is too, lol.

[frail pier]

Same with light if you only do frontal protection. Just only on the back

[mystic walrus]

Yep, mag dumping is fun

[astral warren]

This furthers the question, why is kevlar an option?

[frail pier]

Ehh heavy with frontal ceramic is good. But for the acceleration that is. If Im doing an S run depending on the map ill switch to light if i need the extra 2 slots.

[sick valve]

it doesn't help that im an awful shot and probably 90% go into the atmosphere

[astral warren]

I would rather have more equipment to prevent being shot at than sacrifice equipment to be better at being shot at, myself.

[mystic walrus]

Oh no i hit but i mag dump into their bodies for immersion

[astral warren]

Excepting missions like postage where you just inevitably WILL be shot at least once, no matter how well you play, or what equipment you use.

[frail pier]

Just depends on the map and what you're doing.

[astral warren]

Heavy protects the upper arms, too, doesn't it?

At least the paper doll makes it out like that, but this game is so full of shit it's not even funny.

[sick valve]

when all the boys are down you can't afford to take chances

[mystic walrus]

I solo the missions

[solemn panther]

does the game not work for anyone else after the update?

[frail pier]

Honestly if it does I don't notice a difference in protection lol.
I feel like that paperdoll lies about that. But I think I was told and @crude prism can confirm if its true but heavy only has better torso protection.

[mystic walrus]

I hate the bots and other players, well most of the time

[astral warren]

Launch in safe mode, if it works, remove your mods, if not, check back and see if someone smarter has any advice.

[sick valve]

i've solo'd all the missions already and really only play when my friends want to hop on anymore. ranmdoms are kinda hit or miss on politeness

[astral warren]

I do notice less arm shots when wearing heavy, but I wonder if maybe the hitbox for the player w/ heavy carrier isn't slightly larger, and that might help block some shots from the arms?

[ionic gale]

Hey guys

[stone bay]

Afternoon

[frail pier]

I really don't know. It just makes sense that it would have better protection than light. I swap from time to time just depends if I need the extra 2 slots or not.

But I mean is damage really even being calculated accurately? I heard we're taking double damage now on ceramic

[mystic walrus]

Moin

[astral warren]

Also is it just me or are stingers a LOT less reliable when thrown now? Not as far as efficacy, but I've had them bounce off of things at very unpredictable and random angles. Also yeah, the damage cap was broken in this update, so you die easier than before.

[ionic gale]

I run ceramic on my heavy armor

how are y’all tdy

[ionic gale]

If I’m running light armor, I use steel plates,

[mystic walrus]

Pretty good, im a bit sad that its the last week of my vacation though

[frail pier]

I think it was said that rifle rounds get caught by kevlar while pistol when hitting kevlar does more damage. But again could be wrong just going off what someone else said with their findings.

[ionic gale]

I don’t run Kevlar and I don’t use the stab vest

[ionic gale]

Ahh oky

Also, I don’t know, but uh the stab vest, I heard apparently doesn’t give you any protection

[visual ruin]

Hey guys, does anyone have the voiceline files for the elephant shooters?

[frail pier]

GG

[sick valve]

stab vest looking MIGHTY tempting in dorms. being colorblind in that map is HELL

[mystic walrus]

True

[noble pasture]

03:45 on the timer with other peeps

[frail pier]

It does nothing really apparently.

[ionic gale]

I think it’s supposed to give you melee damage but if it doesn’t, well, then it’s fucking useless. You might as well be running no armor.

[noble pasture]

We pulled up like in Osama bin Laden raid

[frail pier]

^

[visual ruin]

extra mags tho

[ionic gale]

Melee protection, I mean

[sick valve]

ah like nothing at all? that sucks, esp. when it could find a niche on a new map

[mystic walrus]

Armor is useless irl too, ever heard of "who looks cool lives the longest"?

So anyone who doesnt run the dapper glasses is just missing out fr

[gaunt gale]

What?

I'll take brused/broken ribs over a hole in me

[ionic gale]

Hold up so it’s true that apparently the stab vest does not do anything?

[sick valve]

nothing ever happens to the camera man, just have a camera rolling all the time

[mystic walrus]

the hole adds to the outfit

Yknow how some jeans got holes in them to make em more expensive?

[frail pier]

This

[ionic gale]

I mean, I know it offers no ballistic protection but if it does not even protect against melee damage then it’s useless then

[mystic walrus]

It is useless

[ionic gale]

I swear, I thought the melee protection was something that it could do

[frail pier]

Put it on and test it idk

[ionic gale]

It’s only for extra storage, I guess,

[mystic walrus]

Besides any plate carrier has cut protection, so running light would give you cut protection too

[ionic gale]

I mean back in pre-1.0 it was practically considered no armor, so the fact that you can just not have a vest in 1.0 uh

I feel like that the stab vest should have melee protection

[frail pier]

I've never ran stab vest :/ so I really don't know. I just read what the pros here say. Even then I probably misconstrued like half of the shit they say.

[ionic gale]

If you don’t want to run any armor, well then just run no armor

[mystic walrus]

yeah it should have more

[frail pier]

You're better off stab vest than no ARMOR LOL

[sick valve]

no vest, no helmet, no primary, no bangs or stingers, just a man with his glock and a ton of mags- now THAT is an experience (i don't recommend it except like once for the funny)

[ionic gale]

I know that it was considered no protection back in before 1.0

In the fact that you can just run no armor visually in 1.0+ uh

No wonder why the vest still has its non-protection abilitie

[frail pier]

Okay bot doesn't like that word yet other words can be said just fine :/

[full thistle]

nyet comrade, best armour is no armour

how can armour break if it's not there? 😂

[ionic gale]

I’m pretty sure it was military propaganda that dead Soviet soldiers were more useful as sandbags

[frail pier]

You know every time I've played with a dude running no armor and helmet I usually end up reporting his body at some point during the match.

[full thistle]

whenever I played with a dude running no armour it ends up with everyone spectating him 💀

[frail pier]

These other chads then are shit I get in games with

[ionic gale]

“Who knew you were more useful as a sandbag than a human being” -1941 Russia (Source: trust me bro)

[full thistle]

if you have no armour... become the armour 🗿

[frail pier]

On an unrelated note I'm glad no suspect has hit the micheal jackson on me yet. That was so painful to see..... Now its just civs turning into beyblades.

[full thistle]

I jest anyways I normally just run light armour as a good medium (and aesthetic appeal)

[wispy sleet]

Payday 2 dodge build

[sick valve]

civs sprint slamming doors open right next to me will never stop scaring me

[ionic gale]

My wife said it was her or the dodge build

[stone bay]

I run Heavy Armor but change the vest so I don’t have to look at the bulky vest

[ionic gale]

I still miss her every day

[silk junco]

hi bub

[ionic gale]

Hey Vivi

[full thistle]

I like the vest I just don't wanna wear it lol

[frail pier]

Oh god I thought this was a diablo topic for a second.

[full thistle]

everyone else wearing it is very cool but that ain't it for me chief

[ionic gale]

I never played a Diablo game lol

[frail pier]

Don't
I preordered the 90 dollar expansion :/

[full thistle]

same but I know I'm not missing out on anything

[ionic gale]

I seen modern blizzard and it looks like they’re not a good company

[frail pier]

Correct

[full thistle]

that is uhm, most companies these days

[ionic gale]

Never played their games and honestly, I don’t know if I would like to now

[frail pier]

D4 is good but idk every other season is shit.

[ionic gale]

They cannot add a gems tab

[frail pier]

They actually did. lol its a material now.

[ionic gale]

I’ve heard bad things about Diablo 4

I think Diablo one and two were the shit and it started to plummet after three

[full thistle]

[frail pier]

Season 4 was the best season for everyone.... Didn't add anything new really except QOL changes. Crazy how you make your game playable and people can have fun.

[ionic gale]

We don’t talk about immortal tho

[full thistle]

what was the diablo mober game btw?

bro how did so many people in the dev team decide a mober game was even close to a viable idea 💀

[ionic gale]

Diablo immortal that was practically just an entire fucking casino

With a game included

“Game”

[dim swallow]

from what i've read the armor hitbox was changed recently so front/back coverage works better than pre UE5 update

from what i've seen armor hitbox pre UE5 was a bit weird, and frontal shots may occasionally hit your lesser armored sides

[full thistle]

...was that supposed to be a reply to someone?

[ionic gale]

nah

[ionic gale]

I don’t use Kevlar personally

Light armor, I use steel, & for heavy armor I use ceramic

[dim swallow]

i use light armor, ceramic, front back only

[ionic gale]

I use full coverage because well

[dim swallow]

back then i ran heavy armor steel full coverage

good times

[leaden oriole]

how do you get the sf with the peltors and the jpc ??

[ionic gale]

I don’t wanna die

[dim swallow]

i run front-back only cause i dont plan on getting shot in the hip

[ionic gale]

Quality of life feature that I like is that how customization option has presets

That’s a pretty nice quality of life feature in my opinion, I would like to easily just find an outfit I already created and just switch to it

[wispy cypress]

What could make RoN a better game?

[zenith glacier]

emotes

[ionic gale]

First of all, the AI is obviously something that people are wanting to be better

[zenith glacier]

mic communication with AI

[ionic gale]

Granted, this isn’t a complete tactical of police, so it needs to be both realistic, but also gear towards casuals

[wispy cypress]

Without AI etc, like some new things.

[sick valve]

Dragon's Breath rounds for the beanbag shotgun

[wispy cypress]

ha ha.

Ngl im so invested into that resisting arrest combat rn

[sick valve]

im serious, fuck their tier 4 armor

[wispy cypress]

Imagine the POV animation holy sh, immersion.

[sick valve]

a billy would be cool considering that punching doesn't always have success

[dim swallow]

The Halligan Bar

They have the model and animations

where is it void

[sick valve]

or healing your teammates, that would be nice. being able to have your bro hold an angle while you patch him

[wispy cypress]

this aint no cod

[silk junco]

[sick valve]

I mean you're already poking yourself with a needle and healing, don't see how it wouldn't be realistic for a friend to slowly pop a bandage or something on you

[wispy cypress]

"Healing ur teammate"

• suspect: hah, easy kills

U basically just stopping the bleeding, more n more shots makes u dead, simple. Proper healing would be ass.

[dim swallow]

id love for more door traps too, im sure one of the devs once shared concept art for door traps which include a shotgun trap and electric trap which would be funny if they made the cut

Kick the wrong door and whoops!
12 gauge into your chest

[zenith glacier]

kinda depends on armor too

[wispy cypress]

Same sh tho

[sick valve]

Ah, I probably could have worded what I said better. I meant healing your teammate in the same mechanic that you can heal yourself in the current game, not necessarily give them a full HP bar and some performance enhancing magic Stops the bleeding and gives the same HP back as it does now

[wispy cypress]

we need vodka in ron

[sick valve]

NOW WE'RE TALKING

slam it like Tarkov then run through saving the day (im an awful shot)

[wispy cypress]

imagine

vodka gives u extra running speed, like that old ron speed bug

[sick valve]

flinch resist but decreased accuracy

we're cooking here, devs i'm looking for a job

[wispy cypress]

"im" mf "we" thats my idea

Gopnik hardbass S.W.A.T

[sick valve]

demanding adidas outfits asap

[wispy cypress]

ONGG

• adidas balaclava

[sick valve]

adidas wrap on the guns, just full send it

[wispy cypress]

Kalashnikov with Adidas stripes on it

nah we cooking hard, take notes @gaunt gale

[sick valve]

i imagine getting licensing for that would be expensive asf

[rare estuary]

Abibas

[wispy cypress]

Manufacture

Or idk, Adibas. Sounds original

[sick valve]

I'm not sure if we could get by on parody or not since it's a larger game, big K-Sky would probably be able to carry us though

[wispy cypress]

lmao

yeah ngl gonna go to sleep rn lil drunk

[sick valve]

have a good rest man, enjoy that buzz

[wispy cypress]

idk how tf im gonna wake up tmrw, barber is waiting for me

[wispy cypress]

ty man, gn.

[astral warren]

Eat like 5 caffeine pills before bed and you'll get up on time.

😎

[wispy cypress]

got few energy drinks for tmrw morning....

[astral warren]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-rawr-vampire-gif-23664761

[wispy cypress]

W fail

[astral warren]

morbing
jfc my sides lmaooo, gn gamer

[wispy cypress]

morbius rawr vampire

[astral warren]

Because it's morbing time.

[wispy cypress]

Good Night.

[ionic gale]

I ❤️ the Glock 19

It’s my favorite pistol to use

Shot one from my first time at a range and it’s a bootyful

[agile topaz]

you'd love a PSA saber dagger glock its fancier and only a hundred more than like a 19 though when i checked all versions were sold out

[brittle swan]

holy shit lmao, i died and my swat ai is clearing the mission, and they just blew up a civilian with c2 💀

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I heard that Glock clones are actually probably built better than the actual ones

What are some cool Glock clones?

[agile topaz]

the best rated are the psa daggers and psa saber daggers but apparently others like these are high rated too https://grabagun.com/shadow-systems-mr920-elite-9mm-4-5-barrel-15-rounds-bk-bz-hs.html and the Polymer80 PFC9 9mm Luger 4.02in Black Nitride Stainless Steel Pistol - 15+1 Rounds as well as the Faxon FX-19 Hellfire Compact Pistol

[noble pasture]

Steam told me I am in the top 0.0%

[noble pasture]

Achievements so rare not even 0.1% have them

[long cipher]

can i set the illumination of the ingame flashlights somewhere bc it really just feels like looking in a sun

[rare estuary]

When I tell ai to arrest they follow me

😔

[twin estuary]

does anybody know where i can find the balaclava?

[tepid wigeon]

I just wanted to say: Greased Palms is a good map

[brittle swan]

multiplayer, character selection, echo

[agile topaz]

its only in mp under head selection but theres mods to use in single player

[ionic gale]

DISHONOR ON YOU, DISHONOR ON UR DOG, FAMILY, THE FISH

(lol jk)

[tepid wigeon]

I have lost everything so it doesn't matter

[ionic gale]

ik right?

[twin estuary]

i dont really like mods, i thought they finally added it. Very depressing

[agile topaz]

mods are like the lifeforce of this game tho ngl

[ionic gale]

Yee

[hearty geyser]

https://youtu.be/lqeE1zMCyrI amos voll diss track

[ionic gale]

Not Like Us, Judge AI cover

I would love for that to happen

[hearty geyser]

true true

[ionic gale]

.40 S&W is a sad caliber

It’s like a girlfriend who can’t choose what she wants for dinner

That’s the best I can describe it for dum dums

It’s the neglected middle child

[weak mist]

Bro is there a way for me to take away the sidearm from the ai

[stone bay]

Not really. You take away their mags, they magically acquire more ammo.

[weak mist]

Bruh

No sidearm/no primary should generally be an option so you can run pistol only or primary only if you would want to for some reason

[mellow valve]

pro tip: breach the entrances with the least amounts of angles

[weak mist]

Pro tip: shoot the bad guys

[ruby garnet]

whats the difference between iroman and normal

[covert aurora]

Ironman is basicly your save gets deleted if you die.

Its one life mode

[weak mist]

If you die you restart and if one of your teamates die they die for ever

[hard stag]

why is it fucked up executing orders in commander mode are messed up

if i order two times to do different things and execute then they just switch places with each other, and do other`s team task?

[harsh lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5Z1L-DVj8

this might help void, 5 minute video on how to make mirrors on Unreal

[edgy turtle]

do i have to force my squadies to use pistols for the beat cop achivment or can they stick with rifles

[ionic gale]

I think you can have your boys rock rifles and I think you’re the only one that you have to have a pistol for

[edgy turtle]

sickkk

[ebon mulch]

Good evening, can anyone tell me if there’s been discussion on adding controller support for RoN?

[ionic gale]

Due to the multiple button prompts, I don’t see that being a thing

Also, I’m pretty sure that the game would definitely not be able to run on console

[ebon mulch]

I’m not thinking console, just PC.

[ionic gale]

Ik

Yeah, this game will definitely not be tailor for a gamepad

[modest heron]

What gun have y'all been rocking for the home invasion dlcs

[ionic gale]

I haven’t played this new update at all yet, but I’m pretty sure that the FN 509 would be my go to pistol

[ionic gale]

Keep in mind that the primary weapons are tailored to the DLC Maps claustrophobic layouts, and hence why they’re more CC oriented

[edgy turtle]

509 is the only one that seems worth the time i just dont like .300 blackout

[knotty crest]

Same as always, SR-16, although the new sidearm is fun.

[tranquil swallow]

what happened to that bank map

i miss that map

[lone pelican]

Lvar winning

[chilly anvil]

All map mods are down still down. We are trying to get working c++ classes back so we can spawn AI and doors.

[lone pelican]

Heat or high water is an epic map

[covert aurora]

The new pdw and 509 and sometimes the mk18 and 509 or m11

[brisk scaffold]

P264 taidervas a secondary be sweet

P365 raider that just came out as a secondary would be great you can conceal carry it easily comes with an appendix holster

Mp17 raider has a holster to

[visual ruin]

does anyone know how to get the sound files for the various enemies?

[brittle swan]

ngl im kinda liking the knew 509 pistol

just did a pistol only run for a bunch of maps, neon tomb, valley, spider, datacenter

[brittle swan]

arn 180 fr

[covert aurora]

I love the 509 not a fan of the tan color, so i found a mod that turns it black.

[brittle swan]

on god link that

[covert aurora]

I will throw it in mod chat

[stoic vortex]

just noticed that we entered Port by boat

[covert aurora]

Did we? I never noticed that

[indigo gazelle]

Any way to get AI teammates to deploy launcher without the clear room?

[brittle swan]

yeah we do actually

[covert aurora]

Interesting! Next time i do port i will look around

[indigo gazelle]

They literally walk to where I point Deploy CS instead of using the launcher.

[modest heron]

i finally did all the achievements without even owning the dlc

[jade canopy]

guy never heard of conmand wheels apparently

[ionic gale]

oh wdym?

[jade canopy]

an alpha gamepad support already existed in the previous version

with selection wheels

[ionic gale]

Ohh alr

[jade canopy]

sadly it’s completely disabled rn maybe unintentionally

[rough oriole]

am i bugging or does it seem like AI would all rather be turned into swiss cheese than surrender with 5 guns aimed at them

[placid light]

lol sounds bout righjt

[agile topaz]

well real people irl act like that too

[stone bay]

You're not wrong. AI have no sense of self-preservation and would rather choose self-delete or deletion by cop.

[agile topaz]

tbh that might be the most realistic part about them a conceringly large amount of people do that daily its like a favorite to self delete via causing cops to shoot them

[rain sleet]

Pretty realistic tbh

“I ain’t going back to jail” seems to be a common phrase on a lot of BWC footage of OISes

[agile topaz]

thats what i was saying a lot of people do dumb shit in the prescence of several armed officers

[rough oriole]

yeah im getting a little fed up with ai behavior lol

1.0 ready!!!!

[agile topaz]

brother its not even that bad compared to old old RoN

[rough oriole]

i agree but its still bad

[rain sleet]

Exactly.

Was a shock the first time I found out actual criminals don’t tend to be smart, logical people lol

[rain sleet]

How has the AI changed since 1.0?

Haven’t played in a while. Do they still insta kill you through walls?

[agile topaz]

not often ive been sprayed at through walls for no reason but i havent had a dude fly through a door one tapping my whole team lmao they are usually somewhat either im gonna die shooting you or theyll give up quickly and ive seen them use tactics flanking and moving to new spots to fire theyre not perfect but way better than 1.0 or pre 1.0 id say

[covert aurora]

They improved yes, but still needs work

[agile topaz]

thats how itll always be pretty much

[rough oriole]

oh my gosh i think i want to eviscerate the SWAT AI

[weak pine]

Hello fellow ready or notter

[rough oriole]

target aquisition has DEFINITELY CHANGED ill tell you that. i havent experienced any superman xray vision yet since the change

[weak pine]

Does this game have improved graphics being upgraded to UE5? I seem to be unable to find a big difference

[rough oriole]

lighting changed methinks

[rain sleet]

Hmm perhaps S running hospital will finally be not horribly painful after all lol

[rough oriole]

ive been trying to run S rank missions for the past hourish, AI eat pepperballs for breakfast lunch and dinner

[agile topaz]

that was my worse map ngl that was were some old ai tendencies started showing i would get hit fourteen times from around corners then shoot a dude 20 times he would stand there reloading as my officers stood there yelling at him i shoot him then die trying to bandage

[rough oriole]

i watched one of my swat AI walk past an open doorway and ate 5 bullets to his torso and died, ending my potential S rank run right at the end

im crashing out

[agile topaz]

my swat ai never died in my runs but did weird shit sometimes like if i ever flipped nods while one was mirroring a door theyd all bug and freakout

[marble juniper]

is mcx 5.56 now?

[amber dock]

Yeah iirc

[agile topaz]

it always has been ain't it

[amber dock]

I heard its caliber is conflicted in areas across the game files, but its recoil and damage line up with other .556

[rain sleet]

Not glad to see some things never change lol

Is there still those AI that require shots to the leg to surrender on certain missions?

[amber dock]

maybe it was meant to be .300 earlier in development.

[rain sleet]

So still a work in progress then lol

I hated that map with a passion

[agile topaz]

thats dumb though ngl cause the mcx irl is a 5.56 the lvar just like in game is the one thats .300 blackout

[latent lion]

Just cleared Port Hokan for the first time, I didn't think that it could get darker then Valley Of The Dolls

[agile topaz]

its not trust me

[agile topaz]

you know in the basement that broken area they were pouring cement?

[latent lion]

Yeah burying the bodies of the children

[agile topaz]

yeah thats darker than port hokan

[latent lion]

But the whole satanic cult thing caught me more off guard

[agile topaz]

its not a cult its a trafficking ring who sells women online on the black market

[latent lion]

Still feels like a cult, with all the masks and stuff

[agile topaz]

yeah i getcha but its just how they do stuff in that world

[latent lion]

Valley Of The Dolls, you're at least sort of expecting it, also it could just be because I played it when it was first initially released. Port Hokan was already pretty messed up before the 1.0 release

Rework made it darker for sure

[agile topaz]

yeah but still anything like that with kids is just......

[latent lion]

I agree, but I feel like Port Hokan builds into it better, rain and lighting creates alot of atmosphere

[rain sleet]

Port Hokan feels like a CoD mission

I swear there was a mission similar to it in the good MW3

[rough oriole]

trafficking and worshipping satan if you would believe it probably arent uncommonly directly related lol

[latent lion]

MS-13 is a good example of that

[pine pollen]

Elephant's suspects are more trigger happy now, huh? Barely started the map and they already shot and killed a civvie, failing the main objective

[agile topaz]

yeah but theres also a lot of building stories and multiple angles and the perversion in the doll house like looking at photos and statues and stuff

[agile topaz]

guess so happened to me less than 3 minutes into breaching

[latent lion]

Sometimes they do it instantly, sometimes they'll let you get a chance at S ranking lol

[rough oriole]

walking down hallway
single shot
objective failed
sigh
many such cases!

[latent lion]

Yeah, like I said earlier I played it back when the map first launched so I guess it doesn't hit me the same

[pine pollen]

this just happened to me

I just entered the school and bam objective failed

[rough oriole]

me and my buddy keep trying to duo S rank that mission and that part is a nightmare

beanbag shotguns

[latent lion]

I managed to S rank with AI, I cleared like 3 of them myself and got lucky with a move and clear command

Mission pissed me off when I realised that it was an active shooter and double bomb threat, so I decided to not move on until I had S ranked so that I don't need to play that shit again

[pine pollen]

and when I watch the replay, they shot the civvies that are way too talkative or screaming too much

[agile topaz]

and thats why ill never achievement grind or s rank grind this game

[pine pollen]

tbh I just need C+, I don't want to grind S ranks

[latent lion]

SA-58 carried me on Port Hokan, one shot takes down everyone regardless of armor

[agile topaz]

yeah i just wanna pass without catastrophe

[agile topaz]

ill just never use the sa-58 tho i love my sr-16 my mk18 and arwc too much especially with mod reskins

[latent lion]

Is there ever even a reason to use SMGs over ARs?

[agile topaz]

only on umarmored suspect maps like twisted nerve or dorms i mean you can do it theres just no benefit beside higher rpm really

[latent lion]

But even then, it's cooler to tap down suspects

[agile topaz]

or mag dump them as i do

[pine pollen]

Gunfighter mod just got harder lol

10% movement penalty on each injured legs
more recoil after both arms injured

[stone bay]

mcx is multi caliber 🙂

[agile topaz]

yeah but its most common configuration is 5.56

like whats the likelihood youll find someone running a mcx .300 blackout or some other round over 5.56 i wouldnt take that bet imo

[finite tusk]

Yay, I got whacked by a civvie!

[agile topaz]

mag dump my son

[stone bay]

tbh i've seen more in 7.62x39 than i have 5.56

[agile topaz]

ive never in my life heard someone run a 7.62 mcx lmaooo

[stone bay]

its actually one of the more popular civilian models

[rain sleet]

“Due to budget constraints and executive bonuses for our local government, we’ve had to downgrade the MCXs to 5.56. Also, overtime pay is cancelled for the year, and the pursuit policy is now no and never.”

[stone bay]

mcx's are so cool

[agile topaz]

ah well im not the biggest mcx guy anyways ddm4 supremacy or psa since im a brokie

[stone bay]

5.56, .300 blk, 7.62x39, even 7.62 nato

also PSAs are dope as fuck, one of if not the best rifles in that price range imo

[rain sleet]

Hot take: MCX is the modern ACR with the whole ammo swapping thing /s

[rain sleet]

PSA?

[stone bay]

palmetto state armory

[agile topaz]

yeah they are im just a brokie so the uttering of daniel defense's name might smite me but i really want a PSA saber dagger glock

[rain sleet]

Cries in Canada’s BS gun laws and no longer being able to buy pistols

[stone bay]

tbh DD is hella overrated, their civilian stuff is really overpriced for what it is

[agile topaz]

youre missing out on this sexy mfer https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/b58f8310bd83805a3fa3e038c16ad36c/7/a/7a4a6964_1.jpg

[stone bay]

a lot of the guys in the Ready or Mod server absolutely shit on DD lol

[rain sleet]

That thing is so beautiful 🥵

[agile topaz]

yeah but a ddm4 is still a gucci ass rifle but i can completely understand that view point thats the thing with all gun companies some are gonna way overpriced but still nice at the end of the day

[rain sleet]

Are those G10 grips?

[agile topaz]

dont think so psa says its laser stippled

but its definitely custom grip not glocks shit ass grip they always have

[pine pollen]

phew finally able to beat the Elephant on A+

I did a speedrun looking for the suspects

[agile topaz]

thats pretty much what you gotta do just breach and sprint

[wooden kindle]

How does the entry point work on the map

[pine pollen]

Yeah, just realized they start shooting civvies in 3 minutes mark

[pine pollen]

Does DD stands for Daniel's Defense?

[stone bay]

Yes

[pine pollen]

.300 BLK is technically a 7.62 right?

[agile topaz]

not exactly .300 blk is a beefier round than 5.56 and its subsonic its not exactly 7.62 but it is very similar

its like the drunk uncle of rounds its not the fastest or strongest but it hits hard and gets there slower than everyone else but when it gets there it fucks shit up coming out of nowhere

[pine pollen]

No, I mean in diameter

[agile topaz]

theyre like pretty much the same .300 is just a bit smaller

not exactly 7.62 but damn near it

[covert meteor]

yall voted for your bullshit now you gotta live with it

[shadow siren]

So i dont have any other maps like hide and seek, neon nightclub, some other maps is it because they're not available with AI? Or what?

[shy tulip]

They're there, are you sure you don't see them, or have you not unlocked to them yet?

[shadow siren]

Wouldn't practice mode have them there unlocked for me?

[agile topaz]

no youve got to complete each mission in order in practice mode one by one

[shadow siren]

Huh, okay i see

[agile topaz]

yeah practice is just like commander minus the ironman mode and therapy and that bullshit

[shy tulip]

Commander mode unlocks commander mode and practice, practice does not unlock for commander

But you still have to play through all maps either way

[agile topaz]

Fun fact of the day theres a tick i believe native to the US called the lone star tick that can make you allergic to meat for a few years

[shy tulip]

yep

[stone bay]

.300 is a 7.62, it’s 7.62x35

[agile topaz]

not 7.62x39 which was the other round we had been talking about previously

[full thistle]

don't they have the same gas system?

[untold cloak]

hey so im clearing the Port on RoN, downed all suspects and now there is a random swat ai named robicheaux just carrying around civs, is this normal?

[agile topaz]

thats the trailers they come in on any map that has uncompleted soft objs

[untold cloak]

ah i see

[agile topaz]

yeah have fun getting all the containers

[full thistle]

oh btw I'm having issues with the sins of the father mission

[full thistle]

would appreciate any strat reccomendations

[agile topaz]

lots of gas and flash get the 125 slot mod and just bring a fuck ton of gas and flashes

[full thistle]

ah so run gas

I've been running nvgs cause I thought it'd be a dark map but I never actually checked if it was that dark...

[royal nimbus]

FAL

[agile topaz]

usually reliable in situations where its hard to clear a map just flash and gas every fucking room lmao and yeah its a inside map no need for nods

[full thistle]

okay cause normally I just gas the shit out of everything but this was the one mission I chose not to 😓

[agile topaz]

yeah thats the map i suggest most to gas it like its the forties one time i was going down a windy staircase in that map got shot at and was suppressed couldnt see the perp who was hugging the wall of the staircase beneath me i only saw the outline of a civie and one tapped her then died 😭

[full thistle]

oh I know whachu talkin about

I bring wedges to slowly lock down the area but those windy staircases are OPPS

[agile topaz]

fr

[frigid shell]

Just out of curiosity, what do y'all want to be improved from the AI of your team?

[pine pollen]

Wait do they actually come? I've never seen them coming.

That's cool

[untold cloak]

yeah i havent either i thought my game was broken 😂

[agile topaz]

only in soft complete missions say port hokan if you dont find all the containers before you secure the whole place or another map where you need to find evidence after securing everyone it doesnt auto complete and you will see them running off with people on their shoulders ive only seen it a few times and everytime i thought i was tripping and seeing things until i got a good visual

[stone bay]

The ability to undertake tasks without orders, which I suppose is asking a bit too much.

[pine pollen]

As for me, use NODs and double tap most in the chest, C2 charge and flash the rest

[frigid shell]

Sometimes when I tell them to clear, if the door is locked, they'll say they can't do it bc it's locked, like bruh, you have a lockpick don't you?

[stone bay]

Actually, it’s really not, SWAT 4 was able to do it.

[stone bay]

Also stuff like that.

[untold cloak]

any lore reason why FISA makes me close the container door?

[full thistle]

they're using em as bait to catch bigger fish me thinks (and also testing judge's morality)

[frigid shell]

It's very hard to S rank Elephant, it took me quite a few tries bc you literally have only 3 minutes to arrest 4 suspects before they murder the civilians, it would be easier if you could split up

[agile topaz]

yes but you have to tell them to pick the lock its stupid but part of the process again i doubt RoN will truly be at the state we all want it at least ai wise

[pine pollen]

Like the FISA said, it's a federal investigation ig

[frigid shell]

True, but if I have to hurry up, it's a problem, especially in Elephant

[full thistle]

personally in elephant it's best to be the spearhead

[untold cloak]

ive S ranked elephant first try in 10 minutes

[agile topaz]

yeah i know though usually the shooters are in open space so when i do it i just breach a door and sprint to the main areas usually taking two out in the first halls we enter

[frigid shell]

Dang, nice job, I applaud you

[pine pollen]

I've seen video that says that Judge is also an experiment like Gerrard

[untold cloak]

well i meant it took way longer than 3 minutes before civilian killing

[agile topaz]

not for me it took less than 3 minutes after breach for them to start

[frigid shell]

Well prob in that run, the suspect was not near a civ, sometimes they'll be in a room by themselves

Yup, it's always supposed to be like that

[untold cloak]

i see i guess i just got lucky then

[frigid shell]

It's hard bc you're rushing and you'll get flanked quite often

Another thing I hate about the AI is when they act like you're in their way

Like can't you go around me? Lol

[untold cloak]

cant tell you how many times ive had that happen WHILE restraining somebody with plenty of clearance around me

[stone bay]

This^

[frigid shell]

And they sound so passive aggressive, they're like "You gonna move?" Like no, you gonna move, especially when they need to secure weapons

[agile topaz]

yeah like they aim straight for you then "chief youre in the way" or "can you move" with the most attitude ever lmao

[frigid shell]

Once I think he was like "I need you to slide over", like for once they ask nicely

[agile topaz]

they still got passive aggressive in em

[quaint hawk]

i've played ready or not for 7.7 hours now, but havn't changed my weapon, what are some good ones to match some situations?

[untold cloak]

ive personally always stuck with that one integrally suppressed rifle that shoots 300 blackout

[frigid shell]

Do you guys prefer to go lethal or non-lethal?

[untold cloak]

i "prefer" lethal, but the achivement hunter in me is apparently a masochist

[quaint hawk]

i prefer non lethal, feels more gratifying

[frigid shell]

Me too, I'm trying to get S in all of them and once I do, then I'll go lethal

It says only 0.4% of players have S'ed all of them, is that how hard it is? Or people prefer not to?

[untold cloak]

nightclub was my hardest challenge but the rest arent that bad imo

[frigid shell]

Hmm, thanks for the heads up, I haven't gotten to the nightclub yet

[untold cloak]

god i spent 3 days straight doing nightclub

[quaint hawk]

should i use the beanbag shotgun for close range?

[untold cloak]

if you have good aim, then yes. otherwise use pepperball

the suspect will pretty much instakill you if you miss close range

[quaint hawk]

k, thank you

[untold cloak]

i'd also be aware that ai will have the potential to kill suspects if you give them beanbags

[frigid shell]

What about the bombers, will they surrender?

[untold cloak]

if you shoot them enough, yes. beanbags and pepperball wont make the bomb go off

[frigid shell]

Good

[untold cloak]

there is a bug ive had much experience with though where if the bomber is under effect of the pepperball at all, he will NOT surrender. and the AI swat will continue to pepper him until all of their ammo is gone

i had to get the swat ai to go away from the bomber (usually by making them stack on a door away from the room) so i can beanbag the bomber without pepper

[frigid shell]

Does the taser work?

[untold cloak]

yes. i recommend keeping it for that specific scenario

[frigid shell]

Nice

My cousin is not a perfectionist and he prefers to go lethally, he says the final level is hardest, but you think Neon Tomb is harder?

[untold cloak]

i do think neon tomb was harder, the final level can go pretty smoothly as long as youre careful and have high awareness of the long distances

[frigid shell]

Gotchu, bc I've struggled a lot with even Greased Palms and Valley of the Dolls

[untold cloak]

my biggest issue on neon tomb was my swat AI getting themselves killed, it was usually at least 1 ai

[frigid shell]

For hard missions like that, I recommend using full heavy steel armor

[untold cloak]

neon tomb is a little different because of the guns the suspects are using, it shreds through armor

so i valued speed over protection, but gave swat AI heavy armor with ceramic plates since they move the same speed regardless

[frigid shell]

I see, I haven't gotten there yet but I will soon

[untold cloak]

neon tomb made me so mad i got myself muted here for saying things i shouldnt have

[frigid shell]

Lol that's actually kinda funny

[full thistle]

I'm scared of neon tomb and I haven't even done it yet

[frigid shell]

But it happens, even I got that frustrated on hard missions like those. But in Neon Tomb, can suspects kill civs like in Elephant?

[jolly verge]

Nope

[full thistle]

I appreciate it but I know I've gone through worse

[untold cloak]

id imagine any suspect can kill any civ if they take them hostage

[silk sail]

you haven't seen nothing yet

[full thistle]

I P-ranked Gabriel in ultrakill with just my bare hands

[frigid shell]

I believe some civs will have bomb vests tho like the suspects

[silk sail]

nice, but that is different

[full thistle]

oh and it was on a trackpad cuz I didn't have a mouse

[jolly verge]

Yeah, dont shoot their torso or kill them

[full thistle]

it took me 2 months

[silk sail]

respect

[frigid shell]

That's crazy how they don't kill civs tho, these guys are The Hand, which is a group of terrorists which is way more dangerous than school shooters

[full thistle]

one must imagine sisyphus happy

[frigid shell]

Even tho there are a bunch of dead bodies there

[jolly owl]

They do human shields from time to time, just rare

Source: Saved a couple of civilians from being turned into human shields by using the Taser on those psychos

[frigid shell]

And btw is the pepperball gun automatic? If it is, how do you change it?

[untold cloak]

its semi-auto

[mortal sparrow]

Can you get achievements in multiplayer

[frigid shell]

In a vid, the AI shot it faster once and the guy in the vid was like "They suddenly changed it to auto." or something

[frigid shell]

I don't think so

[untold cloak]

you can spam the shit out of pepperball, but it isnt automatic

[umbral oar]

i believe only the dlc achievements

[frigid shell]

How many mags do you carry with PB? I have 4

[vale tangle]

5

shit gets spammed so fast and i take off all pistol ammo because pepperball = non lethal run

[frigid shell]

And then is it better than the PB in the sub machine gun category?

[jolly verge]

TPL? It's worse because of it's low mag capacity (12 vs 25) + reload bug that still not fixed since 1.0

[frigid shell]

Oh I’ve never used it before I just wasn’t sure. But wow 25 rounds? I didn’t know it was that much

[jolly verge]

Yeah, use only vks

and if you playing commander mode use 2 negotiators and 1 pacifer

[frigid shell]

You mean R7 launcher?

Bc I think VKS used to be in the game but was replaced with R7

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's called VKS in game

[untold cloak]

i cant remember the name of the submachine pepperball gun but it sucks, use the ar-15 platform one instead

[mortal sparrow]

Can u do the hidden and dangerous achievement by not restraining everyone but just making them yield?

The suspects not the civis

[umbral oar]

imagine by some rng miracle you find all the civvies before your first suspect and get the achievement

[untold cloak]

theoretically is possible

ive had a scenario like that on gas station

[umbral oar]

thats kinda cool

with how spawns work though, probably not possible on the bigger maps

[waxen grove]

What kind of week are we on regarding dev blogs

[umbral oar]

the 911 operator in the dlc maps always sound kinda surprised

[stone bay]

Seven, because they get spammed hard to force compliance.

[frigid shell]

Oh damn

[stone bay]

Hidden and dangerous achievement will pop on a normal non lethal run

[rare estuary]

You get the achievement if you s rank the mission

[noble pasture]

Hint, most of the civies are on 3rd floor. On Lawmaker, some on 2nd. None on 1st from what I know

[full thistle]

I think a non lethal secondary would be an interesting addition to RoN

[noble pasture]

We used to have that, pre 1.0

[full thistle]

?

[noble pasture]

Taser used to be a secondary, got moved to tacticals

[full thistle]

Ah ic ic

It's just I rarely need my secondary I wish I could get more use from it

[noble pasture]

I blame it on Gunfighter mod

[full thistle]

Gunfighter mod?

[noble pasture]

That mod pre 1.0 had the option to have a taser and pistol at same time, ended up as a feature in 1.0

If you pressed 2 again a taser got pulled out for free

Even if you only carried a pistol

[full thistle]

Also sometimes I wish I could unequip the primary and/or secondary so I could pretend I'm a normal officer

[noble pasture]

Fun fact, pre 1.0 the Hotel map was way different

I mean Sins of the Father, totally different map and story

[full thistle]

Oh I'm currently stuck on that map 😁

[stone bay]

There was a mod for that.

[noble pasture]

Before it was a biker gang that kidnapped some big shot's daughter and we got called to stop that

[full thistle]

Gotta maximise space for wedges

[noble pasture]

Stuck on sins? A hint, bring AP ammo, enemies got max armor level

[full thistle]

I used to never use em and now I am addicted

[stone bay]

Although I tested it, and it didn’t work. SWAT AI still got the Mark 18.

[full thistle]

That's the thing I do bring ap ;-;
Someone did suggest going gas spam which I will try soon

[noble pasture]

Another hint, bring a 300 blk rifle, 300 blk for some unknown reason it's better at armor pening than 5.56. Irl it's not the case

[full thistle]

I remember my addiction to wedges started when I did spider, some suspects left the building and camped the homeless spot at spawn when I was clearing the building

[full thistle]

Huh I didn't realize that, what about something else like 4.6 or 5.7?

[noble pasture]

Also 300 nlk jhp is stupid good at flesh and armors up to lvl 4

[noble pasture]

They can't pen lvl 4 armor, will take like 10 shots to put down 1 guy

[full thistle]

Ah shame I need to change my squad's guns then

[noble pasture]

Only things capable of beating lvl 4 armor are all AP versions of rifle rounds

[full thistle]

That might be why my squad struggles abnormally ngl

[noble pasture]

Then there is 7.62x51. That thing will fuck your target and the guy behind him. Highest penetration and overpenetration in the game

I think it can pen like 3-4 rooms

So sorry bot, that round melts armors

I said b word for dogs, referring to the battle rifle

[full thistle]

I have nothing against the fal but sometimes I wish we got a shortened M14 or an SR-25

[full thistle]

We can't say that word???

[noble pasture]

The word that's similar to the beach

[full thistle]

I'm surprised I didn't expect that

[noble pasture]

I would recommend a mod for you to make the game easier. It's no secret suspect AI is doing crack again

[full thistle]

I think at this point I'm just gonna give everyone the battle rifle with ap I'm sick of holding myself back

[full thistle]

Oh?

[noble pasture]

Is this your first patch?

Or in tarkov terms, is this your first wipe?

[full thistle]

Oh uhh yah

How'd you know I play tarkov?

[noble pasture]

God damn it, I cant even say female chest?!

Fine, so basically every 2 years suspect AI acts like tarkov cheaters

Let me find a video for you

[gaunt gale]

It's very easy to soul read Tarkov players

t. an ex-Tarkov player

[noble pasture]

Kaminsky, why the word banned list?

[gaunt gale]

It's still the default one, mostly

[noble pasture]

We got a game with murder and guns but cant say bad words?

I sometimes forget how old I am (27 and half almost)

@full thistle that suspect video I sent you killed 3 players solo, maybe 4

[full thistle]

....

May I ask if there's anything else y'all can read from me?

[noble pasture]

Hmm, your ak jams every 3 raids

[full thistle]

Mhmmm close it usually goes like this cuz I'm a timid player

"should I take the pot shot? nvm"

[cursive shadow]

I can't seem to find the balaclava ingame

[leaden warren]

only in multiplayer, theres mods to change it tho

[cursive shadow]

how come it's multiplayer only?

[leaden warren]

lazy devs i thinks

[noble pasture]

Seems devs cant code you being able to change your look in single players

[leaden warren]

womp womp i guess

[noble pasture]

I will cheese you

[leaden warren]

just use this mod in the meanwhile https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4222

[noble pasture]

And play as Asian Judge?

But then Judge would be really good at math

Fun fact, your multiplayer and practice loadouts are shared

[raw valley]

still waiting for an optomisation update

[waxen grove]

Take a ticket and take a seat. We are all waiting for optimisations

Its the skelton meme at this rate

[raw valley]

i guess they will fix it soon

[waxen grove]

I have been waiting for them to fix it for the last 3 years. dont get your hopes too high

i thought optimizations were gonna come BEFORE 1.0 but here we are in 1.1

[raw valley]

oh god

i guess there goes my $70

[waxen grove]

the price hike at 1.0 was criminal. esp in aus

im glad to have gotten this game in early access because at least i spent what this game was worth

[pine pollen]

70?? Supporter or nah?

[waxen grove]

i think thats aussie bucks

[pine pollen]

They did optimise the game a bit though, after the UE5 update.

[waxen grove]

Did they? really?

[pine pollen]

Yeah, it used to cut my frames in half. Now it's kinda back to where it's supposed to be. For me at least.

[waxen grove]

seems like we are in the same boat. its fixed the frames i lost from 1.0 but the game is no where near optmised. It feels line a blind fluke that my frames stablised

[pine pollen]

Still, in my country this game cost around 24 AUD for the standard edition.

[waxen grove]

fuck off really? Its 73 here in aus. I paid 54.95 for it back during early access.

[pine pollen]

Yeah, the economy in my country sucks tho. That's probably why the price difference.

[waxen grove]

I wouldn't recommend this game for anything over 60aud thats for sure

still after 1.1 thats my thoughts

[umbral oar]

the ost is on steam

[wispy cypress]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art i don't see dlc ost

[raw valley]

new zealand dollars

[pine pollen]

That's still in the AAA game's territory

[raw valley]

i wouldn't recommend this game at all unless you play in nasa computers

[prime wing]

Playing elden ring for the first time, never played a souls game before, but this is peak

[wispy cypress]

that sh looks hard and too epic for me

[old saddle]

Tbf i could run it at a solid 50-70fps on a gtx 1650 and a 9th gen i5 ive upgraded since but yeah

[waxen grove]

Theres a reason why a lot of us hold void to high standards. its mostly because of the price we had to pay to play it

[raw valley]

i'm a jobless fifteen year old who's lucky to have a good quality gaming laptop

[pine pollen]

Fair...

[fossil bone]

wich AR is the new one (from the hominvasion DLC)?

[pine pollen]

The PDW one

[fossil bone]

thx

[raw valley]

if i spend lots of money on a game it should be reasonable to expect it to work properly and as advertised

[old saddle]

im 15 aswell lmao, im just saying you dont need to have an amazing gaming rig to actually enjoy the game :)

[waxen grove]

you would think, but in 2024 you can expect to get half a game for 3 times the price

[raw valley]

yeah, but it's hard to enjoy when the game is so unoptimized

[pine pollen]

This is true. I worked my arse off for this PC through part-time and random painting jobs lol. It's not the best, but I'm content.

[vocal night]

it crashes all the time for me

[waxen grove]

no crashes but its attemping to send my cpu to the moon

[vocal night]

and massive stutters when opening doors thats the biggest issue

[raw valley]

i love $120 copy paste yearly slop!! ( call of duty )

[old saddle]

you right, they fr need to work on their optimizations

[waxen grove]

and not in a good way

[low valve]

the door issue is known, they will fix it as far as i know (sry got the wrong person haha)

[pine pollen]

Are you by any chance using AMD GPU?

[raw valley]

allg

[waxen grove]

Hmm optimizations? Cant do optimizations, best i can do is more graphics sliders.

[misty ledge]

guys i cant play ready or not, my game keeps freezing when a door opens or when i pop a cs gas. when i opened task manager it says ready or not not responding. anyone experiencing the same thing? i've tried almost everything but it will still freeze and i cant do anything except restart the computer or force close ron. i literally cant play the game because at almost every mission the game freezes

[vocal night]

no i have nvidia

[misty ledge]

is it because unreal engine 5?

[vocal night]

yeah same here just have to wait for patch 2

[high matrix]

My issue is the movement, it feels terrible now.

[raw valley]

game barely works now, wait a couple months, they should hopefully fix it

[vocal night]

game ran like shit before the update before but at least it didnt have massive stutters and didnt crash

[waxen grove]

it couldnt be helping thats for sure. external studio porting everything over from ue4 to ue5 doing zero clean up tends to lead to the biggest headace and mind fuck the void devs are gonna have trying to fix issues that arrise latter down the track

[misty ledge]

cuz before, i can play the game normally and i have a decent 70+ fps but now its only 40 fps and when i open doors it freezes

[vocal night]

funnily enough i only get the stutters when im hosting or im playing singleplayer

[waxen grove]

yeah swat ai is causing issues for some reason

[misty ledge]

hopefully, shits so annoying when its got to the mission that got me to buy the game, i cant play it

[waxen grove]

i do feel sorry for the void devs because just browser the game files very little clean up was done during the port the ue5 when this port was the perfect time for some real optimisations to take place

[misty ledge]

damn hope they fix it fast, dont have anything to play rn

[waxen grove]

the headackes this port will give them when something breaks are gonna be worse then when it was all in house code

[prime wing]

you could get a refund if you are still under two hours

or a little over it

[misty ledge]

bro i already got 40 hours in this game

[wispy cypress]

refunding ron after 80 hours rn

[prime wing]

yup, not gonna happen

[wispy cypress]

just got my 30euro back

[misty ledge]

wait fr/?

[wispy cypress]

nah that was a dream..

[pine pollen]

Damn

[wispy cypress]

first time changing pfp

[fossil bone]

I have the feeling that geting thremal gogles would be op what do u think

[weak mist]

Have the dev’s said anything regarding a pvp multiplayer like gamemode?

[weak mist]

Most people probably wouldnt use them tbf

Unless they add another map section like home invasion with sniper missions and a sniper and a thermal scope or something

[fossil bone]

yea

[waxen grove]

canceled. all the files are still in the game however

[weak mist]

Damn

Have they fully ditched the idea or are they interested in revisiting it?

[waxen grove]

When the alpha first launched it was all pvp only

hosntly i doubt they will return to it, havent herd anything about it yet we still havent had any optmisations sooooo

[weak mist]

Yeah, I get that they don’t want the game to turn into a pvp/competetive focused game

Would be interesting to have though, but I suppose zero hour does that 😂

[umbral oar]

shame, dlc ost is fire

[misty ledge]

[prime wing]

who said that pvp is cancelled?

so far

[misty ledge]

wait pvp existed?

[prime wing]

yes, previous to early access and it was bad.

right now it is work in progress or at least still coming.

not cancelled

[fossil bone]

and how would it be done like swat vs swat or does one team plays as the supects?

[waxen grove]

Thats what i thought. long time ago i was told it wasnt coming back

[prime wing]

they have mentioned it in a few newsletters and kaminsky is always saying that it is coming back at some point

[weak mist]

I was thinking one team is suspect and one team is swat and the suspects have to defend something based on the level/lore. They could go many directions with it how they see fit

[prime wing]

could change at any time and get an official cancelled statement lol

[fossil bone]

The only thing I hope is that it maintans the tactical aspect not like rainbow wich turned ito crap

[weak mist]

Its always fun running around the shooting range and pvping w your mates so it would be a cool aspect as long as it doesnt take away the lore and pve part of the game

[fossil bone]

idk I dont have any XD

[weak mist]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Have they made a statement abt sniper missions though?

[urban walrus]

By who? If it's not from a dev or not quoted directly from them, you shouldn't take that for granted

[stoic vortex]

my aim is so good i keep failing to arrest more than 3 suspects 🥹

[wispy cypress]

any tips for narcos s tier

rage quited with hustlerz yersterday, after 999 tries

[noble pasture]

Why does LSPD hire former criminals?

[noble pasture]

Vks and smoke nades

Avoid windows like the suspects got a sniper

[weak mist]

Since when did the game have smoke nades

[pine pollen]

CS*

[stoic vortex]

Prescott🔥

[noble pasture]

CS gas nades. We call them smokes

[weak mist]

Ah, I wouldnt call that a smoke nade but sure

[noble pasture]

Wasn't he a gangster? Has neck tattoos

[stoic vortex]

that's what i infer

[noble pasture]

Is Prescott Mexican?

[stoic vortex]

no???

huh??

[noble pasture]

I thought he was for longest time

[weak mist]

I just ran in w a beanbag and lobbed some stingers into the main room once I got there. Main issue I ran into was getting ff’d by the ai like 5 times

[wispy cypress]

not a fan of shotguns in this game

[weak mist]

They are pretty fun, but imo the beanbag shotgun is best out of the non lethal guns you can rin

[noble pasture]

Do you think MLO will make a comeback as an enemy faction in pve?

[bitter mason]

I see no reason they wont

[noble pasture]

Supposedly they have a lot of veterans in their ranks

If they come back I expect lvl 4 armor and rifles

Imagine Left Behind but on religious caliber zealots

[mellow valve]

There are more voice actors and former devs of ready or not than there are actual devs

[noble pasture]

Void interactive is 30 people

[winged peak]

They're supposed to be a completely brainwashed faction part of some failed experiment on law enforcement officers by the USIA (according to the best fan theory)

[winged peak]

Also I think they're the only suspect faction that has Helmets, that would be interesting

at least in the PvP multiplayer they did

[bitter mason]

mindjot guards have helmets but they're purly cosmetic

[noble pasture]

What failed the experiment?

[winged peak]

Technically the MLO were supposed the first "batch" of programmed officers but clearly that failed, there's a theory that Judge is the latest iteration and the closest USIA has gotten to having a completely "loyal" officer

[noble pasture]

But isn't a "perfect officer" a good thing?

[frail pier]

The left behind were experimented on? Source?

[bitter mason]

probably not
they're just veterans

[winged peak]

They wan't to use these perfect officers for their police state. The theory says that USIA is fucking up the entire country on purpose so they would have justification for their police state

[winged peak]

Not left behind, MLO, a faction that was present in early access

[frail pier]

Oh I saw your reply earlier I thought you were meaning that. My bad

[noble pasture]

What if USIA is actually the good guys?

RoN USA is an absolute state of crime wave

Even Fisa takes bribes, so a robocop like Judge would be good

[winged peak]

I meant the crime and the societal collapse was literally done on purpose, to justify the police state that would come later

And they would use people like Judge, who don't question anything

Well mostly, he does show a bit of resistance in the last mission at the container

[waxen grove]

it was many moons ago, how do you expect me to remember who

[noble pasture]

Greased Palms is tough

Even with "No Crack" low intensity mod it was a tough time to S rank it

15 suspects

First 2 of them got my entire ai squad to injured

I didn't see them on my wand, so they camped the mini hallway before the werehouse

[frail pier]

Routing on that map is crucial compared to any other map IMO. It's early in the morning and I'm in a good mood. Think I'll solo S that map to change that.

[noble pasture]

It doesn't help swat AI keeps showing their backs to rooms. Like first guy on the door turns to face a wall

Like instead of clearing all to the right they bunch up on walls

[wispy cypress]

Hello hustlerz

my helper, savior, god, jesus

[wispy cypress]

mf won't say Hi back

[frail pier]

Ahoy matey

[wispy cypress]

Zdarowa

[wispy cypress]

Hi back again

[stoic vortex]

Lvar vs Dm4pdw

[pearl shuttle]

LVAR

[wispy cypress]

knuckles

[stoic vortex]

I DIED TO THE ROMANIAN

[pearl shuttle]

To be fair there are no games with good team AI

No there are not

[lunar wasp]

ive done all my objections why cani only soft complete

[summer sundial]

hi is the new dlcs map only accesable after you completed all prev. maps?

[noble pasture]

Why do I keep killing suspects?

[noble pasture]

No, after you buy the dlc, then even with a new save you have access to the maps

[pearl shuttle]

Don't care didn't read lmao

Glad to have wasted your time though

[indigo gazelle]

Is it possible to order ai squad mates to deploy launcher without clearing a room?

Lol the predecessor

[noble pasture]

A big dev oversight is that Gas Station robbers weild a 2k gun

The calico, it's a gun that's worth 2000 usd. And a 18 yo gangster has it?

It's not even produced anymore for crying out loud

[cold swift]

They borrowed it from granny

[unborn dagger]

lol

[bitter mason]

god I hate relapse

[waxen grove]

i think a bigger one is the fact its used in the collage map

[bitter mason]

I dont even know why the calico is such a common weapon for suspects to use
idk why its even in the game I've never seen it before until RoN

[waxen grove]

its just the default gun for what ever reason

well not quite but it feels like it, it doesnt feel like someone sits down and actually thinks about which weapon to use for which level

[bitter mason]

infact now that I think of it I've only seen the calico in one other thing and thats maximum action

[waxen grove]

i plan to fix that

[bitter mason]

ngl even the makarov feels weird to me being in the game
atleast being as common as it is

[waxen grove]

heres a fun fact. all suspects use AP

[unborn dagger]

well yea why would they use JHP

just asking

[waxen grove]

because armor piercing rounds makes much more sense

[unborn dagger]

yea

[bitter mason]

though isnt AP in this game actually just FMJ

idk
I figured AP rounds are different to FMJ