👮ron-discussion

[wispy cypress]

Specially for pictures, idc about gameplay. Now i need to cut pics everytime lol

[frail pier]

Is the crashing on dorms for the meldonin achievment consistent or nah?

[wispy cypress]

Nope

[upbeat shore]

Personally, i think its 100% out of touch to have that always on display.
It was a good idea for early access, but its one of the dumbest decision to keep that for full release.
Consumer unfriendly as fuck IMO.

But you can hide it with: https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/476?tab=files

[frail pier]

Just random?
Was helping someone and it crashed their game and we had under 4 mins

[wispy cypress]

If u die, sometimes ur game can crash

[frail pier]

we were both alive
after we soft completed he crashed

I just heard it happening to others I didnt know if it was consistent or random

[wispy cypress]

Idk then, never got crazy crashes after this new update, got crash first time ever in narcos mission when i died, thats it.

[frail pier]

Yeah as soon as the end screen came up he crashed.

[wispy cypress]

Its random ngl

[frail pier]

Word ok

[wispy cypress]

It adds like Simulator game vibes with that version logo for me lol, but at the same it feels like unfinished game with that logo. But yeah, never was a fan of using mods for this game, ig i gotta try that logo mod one. Ty.

[twilit river]

Anyone using in game menu mod know what key you use to bring it up? It says double tap m but it's not working for me.

[ionic gale]

I think it’s holding the tab key?

I haven’t used it in a while so I forgot the key

[twilit river]

That brings up the tablet thingy

[ionic gale]

Crap

[upbeat shore]

The current (new) version doesnt have a interface YET. Coming soon.

[twilit river]

My bad, it's been updated to some extent but the level selector I'm after requires 'unofficial SDK dumps' which aren't available yet

[umbral sundial]

Anyone got any tips for beat cop? I’m struggling to get it lol

[upbeat shore]

Valley of Dolls, find blonde woman (wife of the bad guy) and let her fuck you up.

[twilit isle]

yo can you get achievements in multiplayer now or is it still the same?

[brittle swan]

you can

[ionic gale]

Except for Ironman achievements all of the maps can be done with buddies

[brittle swan]

shields, five seven and a laser

[twilit isle]

even the five minute dorms achievement? thats just what im trying to do with some friends

[ionic gale]

I’m pretty sure you can

With co-op its probably gonna be much faster with team coordination with some actual living, breathing humans

[twilit isle]

yep thats what im going for

[brittle swan]

probably, one does top one does bottom

its doable in sp tho, just requires some luck and a bunch of tries

[twilit isle]

yeah ive already tried it a bunch with sp and i just cant get anywhere close cause civs play hide and seek

[umbral sundial]

Wrong achievement. It’s the pistol only narcos one

[brittle swan]

the one i finally got it at was a 4.38

[twilit isle]

dang

[brittle swan]

took me a few hours of grinding tho

[umbral sundial]

Sick I’ll give that a go

[ionic gale]

Man I found out my county’s sheriffs office has a SWAT team

Not surprising but still

[upbeat rain]

join up and play RoN irl

[ionic gale]

maybe lol

I’m planning for a career in LE but if that doesn’t do well, firearm work would be something I’m interested in

[upbeat rain]

firearm work is cool

[ionic gale]

Yee

[gleaming fable]

pew

[untold spire]

Hey anyone know if Modded maps work?

[upbeat rain]

don't think so

[untold spire]

alr just wondering because i just installed some and they dont show up

thnx

[upbeat rain]

np

[vital kernel]

is the hanged man achievement bugged I have tried it many diffrent times with diffrent ways of approach but I have never got it could anyone explain it to me

[stone bay]

not bugged as far as i know, just like the rust belt one it took me several tries of doing it correctly

[vital kernel]

what did you do for it?

[spiral garnet]

Map mods not working?

[upbeat rain]

nope

[fickle glacier]

I like all of the new maps, but I think I like Narcos best.

[upbeat rain]

same here

[fiery trellis]

will they be a possibiility

of balaclavas in commander mode ????

[agile topaz]

not for a while if ever as an official thing i mean they dont even have home invasion maps in commander mode yet but if you want the balaclavas in singlelplayer you can get them from nexus mods

[fiery trellis]

ok thank you

[ebon summit]

Anyone getting massive FPS drops from the new update or just me?

I got to play epic settings around ~250+ and now I can't even handle medium settings at ~120

[river tide]

yayyy im finally unmuted

i got muted for "being weird"

[silk junco]

LMAO

[ionic gale]

[stoic vortex]

If only we could change ear pros

[umbral vigil]

I literally just did the beat cop and it doesn’t complete out. I guess some achievements are just glitched.

[vital kernel]

no I just had to s rank it first

[vital kernel]

..

[sullen glade]

Did it half an hour ago no problem first try, maybe do it again?

[umbral vigil]

What pistol did you use?

[sullen glade]

usp 45

it's pretty good, did a decent job. Just use like 5-6 bullets for each person lol

[ionic gale]

It’s the only .45 ACP pistol that is kinda worth using

The 1911s are cool and all but as much as I would love to kind of use them a lot I just don’t because the 8 round capacity is just too big of a deal for me

[umbral vigil]

I didn’t use any grenades I just use shields though

And quite literally all I did was tell my team to hold, and just did it all by myself

[sullen glade]

maybe it was the shield

[turbid current]

When the new DLC came out, Ready or not got an update that weighs almost as much as Ready or not itself

[sullen glade]

FINALLY got dorms in under 5 mins. 3 seconds to spare

[indigo gazelle]

Is it possible to independently order both red and blue such that they split and clear both sides of the map separately?

[sullen glade]

You can select each team by using mouse scroll

[agile topaz]

yes you click middle mouse button and scroll to red or blue and holding tab will allow them to get the order and stage but not do it until you order them to do it

[stone bay]

Shift, not tab.

[sullen glade]

But the maps are divided into sections where they will go to and stop. They'll never move through an entire map on their own

[indigo gazelle]

But my character will have to be looking at the door for them to clear it right?

[sullen glade]

Not if you queue it

[agile topaz]

you have to look at the door you want them to do it then if you queue it you can leave them there and can order them to do it at any time

[wild knot]

is there a way to recover my save after i launched clean mods / save by accident

[indigo gazelle]

Ah, so no way to make them clear a room they're looking at but I haven't seen yet.

[sullen glade]

nope

[long cipher]

let me tell you something, they updated from ue4 to ue5 and to not create any error u patch the other files, that's why the update said 50-60gb

[indigo gazelle]

Dang

Trying to figure out the best way to beat Elephant

[turbid current]

Oh, oкау

[sullen glade]

Ahhh, fast is the answer lol

[indigo gazelle]

Is there like a specific path? Or other strategy

[agile topaz]

theoretically if you tell them to breach a door that leads in to a open space with open hallways they will clear that whole empty space but once its clear and theres doors theyll need your commands

[sullen glade]

Suspects first, bombs second, civies third.
I usually go left up to the library, into the lecture hall, down the hall on top floor then into the green area

[long cipher]

run and gun

[sullen glade]

You just gotta eb quick or one of them wil kill a civvie

[agile topaz]

one of them did within the first two minutes of me being inside and they were across the map and i coudlnt stop it it was so dumb

[indigo gazelle]

Default southern entrance?

[sullen glade]

oof that's annoying

[sullen glade]

yeah

I usually let the AI clear the library with gas though, it's lethal in there

I would continue straight and clear that hall. there's sometimes a suspect to the right of those doors

[indigo gazelle]

Don't the suspects have gas masks?

[long cipher]

the mission is okay best run for me is a+ in 6min

[sullen glade]

ah sorry meant flash

make sure to wear ceramic so you can walk a bit faster

[indigo gazelle]

Flash vs stinger what's better

[low valve]

in very small rooms i use stinger, but most of time i use flash, because its more "flexible"

[long cipher]

flash better range, stinger stun better

[sullen glade]

ai sometimes ignore stingers

[indigo gazelle]

Does there need to be a line of sight or no obstructions for them to work?

[long cipher]

but the best one is just modded frag grenade, still got some in my loadout which i can't unequip xD

[shy tulip]

Yes, I think stingers are a bit more reliable in that sense, but idk the exacts

[low valve]

I would also be interested to know exactly how flashbangs behave. I sometimes feel like they don't work if they land very close or below the target.

[long cipher]

stinger need no obstruction, flash just need line of sight

at least that's what i guess from the physics standpoint

[agile topaz]

which is great for flashes until your ai teammates toss a bang two feet at the door and flash your eyes even though youve got flash goggles on

[raw valley]

still waiting for an optimization update

[agile topaz]

one already came out but just like old RoN it will take some time to get better

[raw valley]

i had the game for two days and then the dlc update came out and i can't play the $71 game

[long cipher]

optimize yourself and get a better pc

[agile topaz]

like is performance bad or is it having issues launching at all?

[raw valley]

awful performance

[agile topaz]

make sure dlss is off and fsr3 is on

[raw valley]

game freezes like every 20 seconds if it even loads in

[raw valley]

okay i'll try that

if that doesn't work i'm going to try and get a refund

[agile topaz]

yeah dlss has been broken and it will automatically put your game in epic mode no matter your settings

[shy tulip]

I don't know about that one, DLSS is bugged, but only in the way that it only registers as quality mode

[raw valley]

i have more than 2 hours playtime but i'll try and sort something out because my specs match the ones on the steam page and the game doesn't run

[agile topaz]

yeah its been a trial and error mess but RoN always has been

[low valve]

Was the collision-free wall directly in front of the library in the school actually fixed (on the stairs)? I fell down there so many times 😄

[long cipher]

huhhhhhhhhhh? didn't even know that bug but i also never used that way, i just walked through the lib and to the other staircase xd

[low valve]

If you go through the left entrance to the school and then go up to the top there is a small hallway with two doors. The back one leads into a small space, the front one, directly at the stairs, leads into the library. The wall right by the door has no collision and you can fall to the lower floor 😄

[indigo gazelle]

Also, if I fail, should I alt+F4 or Esc+quit to menu? With the officer stress system in place.

[long cipher]

amazing, yeah i always went the same route through the lib

[stone bay]

Alt+F4

[long cipher]

just play better or do a working non lethal mission from time to time like ends of the earth with beanbag

that's a real moral boost for them like from crisis to normal

[agile topaz]

you guys ever had the joy of a game crashing and breaking with no menu to hit quit but you play with a mini tkl keyboard that lacks all F1-12 funcional keys and you cant leave

[long cipher]

strg+alt+del

and task manager

[agile topaz]

ive never seen a strg button in my life before

[long cipher]

also a good setting u should activate in the tm so it always is on top

[long cipher]

uhm under shift the key

[low valve]

he means ctrl xD

[long cipher]

det is allet det gleiche .

[low valve]

in germany it's strg

[agile topaz]

ohhhhh lmao my delete key is also a my backspace and ive no clue how to use the extra commands for my keys

[indigo gazelle]

How essential is tactical shield on Self for this?

[long cipher]

fn key ig?

[agile topaz]

yeah ive tried it but it never does anything when i hit fn and other buttons could be because my keyboards fn key is to like switch lighting settingss lmao

[low valve]

I only use the tactical shield in multiplayer so that colleagues can also take cover behind it. I think it's rather "useless" in single player, but it's actually a matter of taste. A shield gives you protection, but it only gives you a pistol with less man-stopping power

[long cipher]

tf is your keyboard lmao

[agile topaz]

its a razer huntsman mini its got like prebuilt light settings changed using the fn key so im not sure any other ones work lmao

[stone bay]

These suspects haven’t learned compliance is the #1 gaurantor of not catching bullets.

[indigo gazelle]

What long tactical should I use for Elephant? I think there'd be no time for mirror gun.

[agile topaz]

neither have people irl

[stone bay]

Breaching shotgun

[long cipher]

just none xD

[agile topaz]

personally i recommend breaching shot gun ram or like the flash grenade launcher if you want

[long cipher]

flash launcher i'd say as it gives u 3 more bangs

[upbeat rain]

has anyone found any evidence items for the dlc maps? like the evidence that you can find in the room back at the headquarters

[agile topaz]

well i use 125 slot mod so it doesnt matter lmao

[indigo gazelle]

And on squad mates if it matters? Not sure if they actually use if you don't order them to.

[long cipher]

then just none but send me the mod pls xD

[agile topaz]

theres two on the table in the back and then two on the shelf to the right of the back table

[low valve]

Strictly speaking, there is no “one” good weapon because it always depends on the situation. From a purely value perspective you can approach it, but I would just go with the one you have the best experience with (and something like that is actually an advise in a real Swat manual)

[long cipher]

they use everything if u say

[agile topaz]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3249?tab=files&file_id=13946

thats a 125 slot one theres also 50 and 90 etc

[upbeat rain]

no i mean the evidence you get from getting c, a, and s rank on the missions

[agile topaz]

yeah in the evidence locker

in the evidence locker theres two home invasion evidence on the back table two on the shelf to the right of the back shelf and then one in the shelf where the tran brothers evidence are the shelf that would be behind you if you were looking at the back table

[upbeat rain]

ah ok i misunderstood

[agile topaz]

its aight they changed the evidence room anyways like half of the later base half missions dont have evidence any more :/

[upbeat rain]

zamn guess i dont have any, although it says ive only completed narcos at c

[hexed juniper]

sooo i found out the hard way that shots can bounce and headshot you lol

well off my vest

[agile topaz]

we had a whole talk on armor plates earlier the only plates that should do that are steel but, in the game, ive heard steel spalling can only hurt allies close enough nearby to be hit not your character

[brittle swan]

im p sure all of them have the evidence

[brittle swan]

bro tf u gon do with 125 slots

mf bringing enough ammo to clear a entire country

mf reserved 10 flashbangs per enemy

[agile topaz]

nope i check after every mission and some at the later half of the available base missions don't have any

[brittle swan]

maybe a bug with your game, i just checked the other day and had all of em there

[agile topaz]

yes me and all my ai have at least 10 mags of ap and 5 mags of jhp 10 flashbangs 10 c2 10 wedges i bring around 50 to 60 slots of items

[brittle swan]

💀

[agile topaz]

could be idk i played several days and didnt get evidence for all base missions

[brittle swan]

how tf you using that much ammo

[agile topaz]

dont question my methods

[ionic gale]

If it works for you, I can’t judge

[low valve]

He's obviously a traveling salesman on duty

[brittle swan]

mf magdumping every suspect

[agile topaz]

the ai take a lot of rounds ive literally watched a guy take like 15 rounds and then take 15 more like im constanly shooting to the point i just put it on full auto if they dont give up its either a headshot or 3 mags

[brittle swan]

💀

[agile topaz]

yes i mag dump all suspects its effiecient

[brittle swan]

i dont think ive ever used more than 4-5 mags lmfao

[agile topaz]

look arresting them is optional most of the time

[low valve]

Presumably you shoot the armor and each weapon has an individual threadshold until it breaks through one of the 3 types of armor.

[brittle swan]

i mean i usually barely arrest ppl , you using a smg or smth?

[agile topaz]

yeah like i said you dont give up you get A shot 30 times B get headshot or C get flashed shot and tased

[agile topaz]

good ole sr-16 or mk18 baby

[brittle swan]

bro accidentally packed the simunition 💀

[agile topaz]

yeah idk the ai be tanking for no reason

[brittle swan]

mf shooting outlines around his targets

[low valve]

haha 😄

[drifting sand]

They also seem to still have a fair bit of ESP.

At least on the postal centre map

[agile topaz]

👀 nuh uh i just give them a lot of ouchies in the tum tum

if they stagger or wait even a few seconds the shooting continues

[ionic gale]

As a ♥️-er of the AUG….

[brittle swan]

i dont think ive had like any suspects take more than 3-4 rifle shots to the body

with ap

[ionic gale]

I give the Australian copy, the F90: 10000/10, get me 15 of these

[cyan verge]

Does anyone else has the feeling that AI has supervision and on far distances they become super snipers?

[brittle swan]

you have like some wack ass mods screwing up suspect health?

[stone bay]

Seriously. I carry a full combat load and the only way I burn through mags is using the VKS.

[agile topaz]

i shouldnt but unless mod.io decided to randomly work for the like no mercy and no crack mods it could be fucking it up idk

[brittle swan]

id recommend to try without mods cause thats wack

[agile topaz]

ill try it but they shouldnt be working in the first place tbh

[brittle swan]

i usually bring 4+1 mags and usually walk away with atleast 1 or 2 left, 2-4 shots a suspect

[low valve]

same, 3 shots if something gets wrong, but thats the absolut maximum 😄

[drifting sand]

What's your experience with AI ESP and detection in the current patch?

[agile topaz]

ive literally shot a dude 10 plus times watch him stand around the corner come back shoot me more i shoot him more then i fucking die

[dire sentinel]

😊 me when my so far 2 min run of dorms almost done clearing building (tryna get the 5 min achievement) is cut short by game crash

[brittle swan]

center of mass with ap?

[dire sentinel]

I love this game, it is infact my favorite game...but it does need some work (ignoring the crash, ik it might jus me a be computer thing)

[agile topaz]

always center of mass my aims not that bad even on full auto and usually i run aps sometimes on the unarmored maps i run the raider with jhp though

[brittle swan]

i mean ok on full auto youll be using a ton of ammo and probably missing alot

[dire sentinel]

😍 My experience with narcos so far, istg mfs got level 4 body armor with coke in their blood stream. they can tank literally 10+ .45 AP bullets and shoot back until their body turns cold

[agile topaz]

not that much though majority of engagements are within 25 meters and i know how to tap fire or just switch to single on longer ranges

[brittle swan]

mf using a pellet gun

[dire sentinel]

💀 Practically

[brittle swan]

bb gun lookin ass

[agile topaz]

usually its worse on relapse for me i died 4 times on my most recent re run through all the missions but those dudes on narcos definitely have armor idk why youre using a .45 for em lmao they tank my 5.56

[vocal roost]

can you S rank all the missions while still killing all the suspects or do i have to use the lame ass pepper gun

[dire sentinel]

Patrol officer achievement

[agile topaz]

you gotta do nonlethal

[brittle swan]

noone can die with s rank

[dire sentinel]

i also tried the magnum

[agile topaz]

ah yeah my bad forgot some people put themselves through the pain of achievement grinding

[brittle swan]

use the five seven, going thru armor is like the entire point of it

[vocal roost]

damn i wish the pepper gun wasnt ass then

[brittle swan]

five seven and shield is my recommendation

[brittle swan]

use beanbags, just dont aim for head and youll get one shot to surrender

[agile topaz]

pov jeremy renner when he "vibe checked" his wife with a 5.7

[dire sentinel]

too little too late my friend, i passed it already after 2 long hpours...

[brittle swan]

give ur ai peppers and urself beans

[wild knot]

how do you get tan quads?

[vocal roost]

i tried the shotgun before and mfs still didnt surrender but they do everytime with the pepper gun

[dire sentinel]

😍 THATS ME!

[agile topaz]

theres a mod for it or youd have to have supporter edition i believe

[wild knot]

ahhh makes sense i saw it in the main menu

[brittle swan]

just completed em all yesterday

[dire sentinel]

Tried speedrunning for a while, before adam update I think. was fun to rerun the same level hour 5+ hours every day

[brittle swan]

the last 2 HI achievs were tough

[agile topaz]

heres the tan pano mod i found https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4312

[dire sentinel]

which?

[brittle swan]

the dorms and lawmaker one

[vocal roost]

how did you get the civs without engaging any suspects

[brittle swan]

tip for the lawmaker one, you can make suspects surrender aslong as you dont arrest them it counts for the achievment, make em surrender, then bag their gun

[vocal roost]

so non lethal?

[brittle swan]

you can engage them just not arrest or kill

i told ai to stay at spawn, then ran beanbags

at first i tried it without making them surrender by just stunning them but gave up on that after like 15 tries

[vocal roost]

thats usually what i do with the ai when trying to get S cuz one ends up dying and i just use pepper gun

[brittle swan]

eh for s ranks i usually bring the ai with pepper guns, usually works out

bang/gas alot and usually go in first with the beans

also the taser is quite useful

[vocal roost]

i feel like taser runs out of ammo quick

i tried to taser only a map and ran out halfway

[brittle swan]

combo it with the other stuff

if ur close the taser works quite well, if its longer range i bean em

[vocal roost]

how do u equip beanbags?

[agile topaz]

get the 125 slot mod and youd never have to worry again you can equip 125 tasers if you need lmao

[brittle swan]

just bring beanbag shotgun

[vocal roost]

i tried that and still only gives u ammo for 1

[vocal roost]

ohh i never use shotty except for breach so i didnt even know there was a special one

[agile topaz]

yeah 125x1 is still 125

[vocal roost]

i mean i still ran out of ammo

[agile topaz]

did you have 125 taser though?

[vocal roost]

i put my taser count to 50 lmao and ran out

[agile topaz]

ooof lmao

[brittle swan]

ye, best nonlethal in my opinion, can do some nice long range shots with it

[vocal roost]

but it didnt give me 50 shots tho it gave me the normal amount so idk if the mod i have works right for the taser

[agile topaz]

maybe not idk

[vocal roost]

have u tried this with the new updated 125 mod for ue5

maybe thats why

[brittle swan]

maybe just use the normal amount 💀

[agile topaz]

yeah its given me all i need from slots but ive never brought more than one taser before but its worked i run with 50 slots and my ai with 60 something

[vocal roost]

i like the taser ⚡️⚡️⚡️

[dire sentinel]

Lawmaker is jus S rank

[agile topaz]

not enough goober

[brittle swan]

hidden and dangerous achievment

[drifting sand]

Opinions on the current state of the AI?

[brittle swan]

alright, still needs some improvement

[agile topaz]

its alright most of the time its balanced but not all of the time does it make sense

[vocal roost]

it will never be that good i dont think

[drifting sand]

Still feels like they've got perfect tracking, it seems.

Maybe they just need to lose audio tracking completely?

[wispy flame]

For me I think that their engagement distance is way too long. They also seem to instantly lock onto you if they can see a sliver of your body.

[vocal roost]

swat ai is dumb, civ ai is dumb, suspect ai is dumb and acts unrealistic most of the time idk

[cyan verge]

Suspect AI too percisie on far distances. and has insane threat detection skills. Pile of box and else like bushes do not obscure their detection skills and that should be a must have in order to achieve that they dont shoot their fellas in reality.
also their movement is not lowering their percision.
SWAT AI is not doing their orders or endangering themself

[agile topaz]

twice ive been in a gunfight and a dude just sprint off to the rest of the map before i can finish shooting and get him to surrender lmao

[drifting sand]

The sideways sprinting snipe does seem like it's the signature move of the suspect AI.

[wispy flame]

Yeah ^

[agile topaz]

always has been lmao

[sullen glade]

The AI is constantly getting tweaked, and it's a hell of a lot better than 6 months ago when they wallbanged and were way too reactive

[cyan verge]

on close distances you are right

[agile topaz]

that still happens to me though ive several times been sprayed at through walls or from unknown directions by like god or something ig lmao

[wispy flame]

This is true. I have noticed them getting better. But the long range engagements are a bit one sided still.

[cyan verge]

absolutely

[drifting sand]

They devs did talk a great deal about working on improving suspect AI detection and aim, but hot damn has that resulted in little to no gain.

I'm starting to suspect that the AI may need to completely lose audio detection, since that does appear to be a driver of their ESP (in addition to being entirely unrealistic).

[shy tulip]

Alternate point: Players need to expect that the AI isn't gonna play dumb in the way they want them, and dumbing down the AI is not gonna make them any more fun

[cyan verge]

i belive that they do not have a mechanism to differentiate between friendly and SWAT and therefore as soon as they hear or see us they start blasting. Major issue

[wispy flame]

Im kinda think the opposite, ive found myself using shift and moving alot slower just so they dont hear me. For me it makes the game alot more tactical.

[stone bay]

No, but it does make them easier to shoot.

[cyan verge]

yes. agreed but the current state is far from reallity or playable

[mystic walrus]

I agree, I hate the points of dumbing down the AI HOWEVER the audio detection is wonky

Why does yelling to comply have basically the same range as a gunshot for example? I do think it needs to be tweaked

[drifting sand]

I don't think that being able to track players through solid walls, and being able to detect and snipe through small gaps, is them being "smart".

I'd love to have intelligent AI, but their current state is less smart and more just plan ESP.

[mystic walrus]

Why do gunshots even have a limited range? All of the maps are in a size where it should be heard basically everywhere

[drifting sand]

As for audio detection; it's just plan unrealistic.

Gunfire and ambient noise rarely, if ever, leave a person capable of discerning soft sounds; least of all when they don't have really good hearing protection.

[cyan verge]

Valley of the Dolls if in the basement is a shooting you shouln't be able to hear it upstairs due to concrete. the idea isnt wrong

[indigo gazelle]

Man how tight is the time on Elephant to not have civilian casualties? I did it in like 3 minutes, still too slow.

[mystic walrus]

I mean that point I don't get, out of my 300 or so hours in this game

Even before 1.0
I rarely had AI track me through walls where it was unrealistic

Usually you're close to the wall or a door is open so they can hear your movement

[noble pasture]

Open doors?

[cyan verge]

that why that new sound engine has been developed for. It calculates open and closed doors

[mystic walrus]

You had bad luck, I can go the entire mission without killing one and they won't murder one

[wispy flame]

I almost think they should add Active Ear Protection as a feature. I went shooting today with my Walker's Razors and the amount of small noises you can hear and the dampening of the gunshots would make a great system for in game.

[ionic gale]

Hey

[mystic walrus]

Hey

[cyan verge]

did you see what they do in the replay? They definetly do this a lot

[agile topaz]

ive had it happen in under like a minute or two from entering the building

[mystic walrus]

What do you mean? They wear earphones on almost all helmets

[mystic walrus]

Yeah, it's they don't track you unless they can hear you or saw you

[agile topaz]

but they have no functionality to the real thing in game

[wispy flame]

I mean actually have the systems of AEP in game. If you've ever worn AEP's in real life they dampen gunshots by a great margin and also can amplify small sounds like talking and footsteps.

[mystic walrus]

Because they barely do anything, it evens out in an actual encounter

What do you want it to do?

[ionic gale]

I think sounds are prob damped with the ballistic mask but idk

[agile topaz]

i dont wear a ballistic mask in the game

[cyan verge]

yes once they have noticed im around but that should not be the case if i get quiet again

[agile topaz]

that is not true bud if youve ever shot a gun with ear pro you know how much it dampens gun noise but allows smaller noises to be heard

[mystic walrus]

I tried one of the more modern active protections when I served and I noticed little to no difference

They, as you said damp out the gunshot and allow you to talk to your buddies

And besides, what's the point? You can already hear small noises

[cyan verge]

lower their weapon again or just aim at the last position they could have heard me. or steadily aim at the door but not tacking even when i get quiet again

[tender chasm]

Heres an idea, remove audio tracking on AI unless its in places it makes sense

[mystic walrus]

I shot more guns than you probably did, compared to earplugs they do the same in dampening the noise

The one cool thing it had that you could talk to other people

[tender chasm]

Stairs, creaky wooden floors, etc

[mystic walrus]

Explain to me how you're supposed to tell the difference between someone lowering their gun or making literally any kind of other movement lol

[agile topaz]

yes but in the game they do absolutely fuck all thats his point in the game they should quiet your shots and allow you to hear footsteps or the ai talking more clearly like they do irl

[ionic gale]

I went shooting for the first time and even with the range’s provided ear pro, the sound still shook me

[mystic walrus]

Oh yeah it was like that too when I first started but you start shooting a lot without ear protection and well, I'm basically deaf nowadays

[ionic gale]

But that could just be that it was my first time using a gun

[mystic walrus]

I just don't see any practical use, yeah quiet down your gunshots but how is that practical in a game

[cyan verge]

getting back up if no noise follows after a half minute, or getting back to patrol (if this is your thing).
i prefere losing concentration on focusing at that door indefinetly. but more i would like them to not precisely tacking me through walls as i walk

[mystic walrus]

Ok I still have no clue how you're meant to get any clues of it via sound

I hear sound? I stand there for 2 minutes and no sound? What then? Like seriously I am so confused what you wish to add or do

[ionic gale]

Unless u have ur volume up all the way and the game is starting to fuck with ur hearing…

[agile topaz]

one makes it more realistic two it makes it so you can hear more things you need to and less of the boom of a gun if you cant see the practicality of that in a game where youre hunting down ai that could be armed and could hide or flank your team and every footstep from them is key in preventing a possible flank thats on you

[ionic gale]

just turn it down ig

[wispy flame]

Well in game you are able to hear all the gunfire as if you werent wearing protection at all. I'm saying have the dampening of AEP's be a feature that can be turned on and off. Plus in real life (at least the set that i wear) the headphones GREATLY amplify small noises. It can make whispering into regular talking. After shooting not only 5.56 and 9mm but also 308, 6.5mm, 12 gauge, and other rounds today and then playing ready or not i can say that a system like that would be more life like.

[mystic walrus]

I mean yeah it would be more realistic at all but I'm not arguing that, you seemed to have some in-game use in mind before

Hence me questioning that because I don't see any

[agile topaz]

it would make the game make sense especially since these dudes are wearing ear pro yet getting none of the benefits of using them as a player in the game

[ionic gale]

Not saying Mobster is one of these ppl but this is something I think about

[mystic walrus]

I think before they go into the minor things they should add more content into the game and tweak other things

[cyan verge]

Listen. i remeber them tracking my exact position and not just the last position i have been heared at. they stop moving and only track me through the wall. i prefere as movement related to get in cover or after a while losing focus of tracking the door (not me)

[ionic gale]

Ppl want realism to the point that irritating/useless features will be added for “realism”

This is not a dig on u btw Not_A_Mobster

[agile topaz]

i know im just trying to explain and help you understand the benefit of that feature that owen suggested i never said it had to be added over other content unlike some dude who spent an hour crying about a console port earlier im just explaining why and the uses that would make sense tto ad

[mystic walrus]

If someone's moving on the other side of the wall with heavy gear I can trace their rough movement too, it's not that hard

But if you mean that you don't like precise movement theres actually something you can do to balance it out

Crouching

Crouching from my testing removes your entire sound

[cyan verge]

imo the ai has 3 major issues: too percisie on far distances. threat detection through bushes that reveal my body only to about 1% and Swat wandering into unsecured areas.
Due to the fact that SWAT games are all about a good encounter i thing thats the big main issues currently

[agile topaz]

again i didnt even suggest it im just saying the use for it to be in a game especially where its featured on the operators would make sense i mean even mw3 has a perk that does what ear pro should in a realistic game like RoN

[ionic gale]

Ik, i’m talking about other people tho

I’m not saying that you’re one of them

[opaque swift]

this game is so infuriating. Playing single player commander mode. finish hide and seek by arresting 80% of the map (almost a perfect s tier mission) report most of the evidence with only one officer injured, with 45 min on the timer already. And after looking for the last piece of evidence i cant find it. I press end mission and that did not count as completion, i have to redo the mission because its unresolved. wtf is this shit?!?!!?! like bro void need to get their shit together because this is not fun. Not to mention this is my 3rd try on that mission

[mystic walrus]

I mean too precise? The only people that have no business aiming well are the ones with pistols

If you EVER shot a gun, even with iron sights you can hit targets with most rifles at 400m first try

[opaque swift]

like im so done with this garbage game. the devs behind it are just lazy af, they dont even play their own game

[agile topaz]

yeah i know i understand that still anythings better than this one british dude in gen chat earlier good grief

[mystic walrus]

The first time I shot a gun we had to shoot at 500m with the g36, and it's very easy to hit everything first try without prior experience

[ionic gale]

The G36 is one of my fav guns btw

[mystic walrus]

I mean, it looks absolutely hideous in game

[ionic gale]

I have grown to liek the Knights Armament aftermarket version of this gun

[magic yacht]

i like the g36c in the game imo

[agile topaz]

it does i love a g36 but scars and m4s like a ddm4 or a knights armaments m4 are still goats imo

[ionic gale]

I presume, which is what the games model is based on

A KAC style of railed handguard & those funky looking, flip up irons

[cyan verge]

i played post office now for the 20 time in a row. outside is a suspect that right after spawing/becoming rendered due to distance start blasting at me with only seeing a tiny bit of my helmet. also he is turned in an 80 degree angle away from me. i get multiple hits behind cover. WHILE HE IS RUNNING
Do you really think thats realistic?

[ionic gale]

I just call it the “KAC” G36C

[mystic walrus]

I dont, its useless

The point people try to make up is "you can reach the bolt easier"
Which is absolute bullshit

After years of using this firearm I can tell you I can reach the bolt with fat winter gloves with no issue, you can if you have massive fat fingers literally lock the bolt to the side

[magic yacht]

stg44 for ron? (i just think it looks cool)

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it does ruin the look of the classic G36C

[mystic walrus]

I'm saying it has no functionality except remove rail space

[ionic gale]

My gripe with it is that it cannot mount a EXPS3

[brittle swan]

they butchered the g36

[ionic gale]

Yes

[brittle swan]

more like kack

[mystic walrus]

I used the G36KA4 for the most part in my service, nice gun but I hated the optics

[ionic gale]

Knights Armament Company

That is why I mean by KAC

[agile topaz]

were you in service in germany bro?

[mystic walrus]

I liked the G36A1 optics the most, however you don't have rails so you have to use shit like the G36NSA80 (Google that, trust me)

[ionic gale]

That’s a shorter barrel version?

The G36C has an overall shorter hand guard so it’s definitely not the same thing, also I’m guessing that yours has the cool integrated optic?

[mystic walrus]

the G36 NSA80 was hilarious

[agile topaz]

what horror have you made me search 😭

[ionic gale]

If he’s British, I’m pretty sure that the UK has used that rifle before

[mystic walrus]

Nobody uses the C in germany,

[ionic gale]

Ah

[agile topaz]

i thought the standard issue in the uk was the shit l86

[mystic walrus]

G36K is short barrel, everyone uses that

I know that G36c is the combat version but no clue what the actual difference is

[ionic gale]

What’s the military designation for the compact version?

[mystic walrus]

It doesn't mean compact, it means combat

My guess it's an export version of the K

[ionic gale]

It’s been replaced by the KS 1 which is an AR 15 style gun

[still nimbus]

Is there a way to like check which missions for Medal of Valor aren't s rank yet besides the listed grade in game? I've got 2 that aren't s ranked yet but the achievement says there's 3 missions (probably one I haven't played since the DLC released)

[ionic gale]

The G36C which is what you see in whether or not is supposed to be the shorter barrel version that we all know from video games

[agile topaz]

good all i know is the l86 ass and ugly

[ionic gale]

Not just a shorter barrel but the handguard is also smaller,

[mystic walrus]

Ah I looked it up theres 2 G36c

Ones an export version of the G36k and is the G36 compact

[ionic gale]

Its my favorite variant of the G36 series

[mystic walrus]

But there's also the G36 combat which is just the normal G36 with a short barrel

[agile topaz]

thats too many g36's

[ionic gale]

I can find a picture somewhere of all of the models exist

[cyan verge]

i find that even chrouched once their hear you they track you for a much longer time. also my point is that you would have heard the indiviual behind the door not the concrete wall. thats why i dont like this percise tracking. it like an wallheck instead of anticipation of where the next danger would enter. and to not have unrealistic advantage of constantly focusing at one point they could enter their cover or reposition themselfs. instead they just stand at their current positions. these little things would give a partly suprise moment since they know i there but they dont know WHEN im going to enter

[ionic gale]

The models that I have shown you is kind of the destinations that at least everybody knows

[mystic walrus]

the army designations and shit are different

[ionic gale]

Yeah I know

[mystic walrus]

Same with the 416 and other weapons

[agile topaz]

416 goated

[ionic gale]

The STG 77 is the Austrian military designation of the AUG rifle

[ionic gale]

Yes

[agile topaz]

so thats why ive seen it called the stg in cod instead of the aug so they dont have to put the common known name lmao

[cyan verge]

i think it was that they do not come with a integrated scope sight. they have a rail system and iron sights instead

[mystic walrus]

Eh? I won't trash talk it but it's like whatever

[ionic gale]

That picture that you just sent me is like disgust

[ionic gale]

Obviously, the German military has used it, but I know it pretty well as the US Navy Seals are a prominent user of them

[mystic walrus]

Nah k and c are almost the same, c just has an even shorter barrel

[ionic gale]

The G36C has a rail yeh

[agile topaz]

as a m4 stan and a fan of the bin laden sleeping pill because it killed bin bins i love it

[cyan verge]

thats what im saying

[ionic gale]

I freaking love German weapons

[mystic walrus]

I just think germany replacing the G36s with the 416 is a massive waste of money
The G36 has not once failed anyone

[ionic gale]

I heard complaints that they were apparently melting due to the polymer heating up too much by firing

[agile topaz]

and german cars love me a porsche or amg 1

[mystic walrus]

Well that was media propaganda

They shot 10 mags at full auto in 60°

[cyan verge]

Bundeswehr has reports of unpercise shots after getting hot

[mystic walrus]

The weapon is not designed to be used in full auto anyways

[crude prism]

that's either trolling or wild cope

[cyan verge]

i like the hk416. i think that it fits them well

[mystic walrus]

There is 2 situations where you use full auto with the g36

stair clearing and sturmabwehrschießen (basically when the enemy is storming you and are within 50m)

[ionic gale]

Here in the US I think sheer volume of fire is the name of the game while in many European countries I think accuracy is something that is more important

[mystic walrus]

again, those reports have been proven to be stupid and not correct

[ionic gale]

The MP5 is a very famous weapon

Other gun I luv H&K for blessing us with

[mystic walrus]

Again, not true

Because these reports did not come from the Bundeswehr

[agile topaz]

and the mp7 despite its small round i love it

[ionic gale]

Heckler and Koch makes some badass weapons

[mystic walrus]

How it all came to be is a long and stupid story but it was at a time where the media did everything to discredit the Bundeswehr and make fun of us

[ionic gale]

now, if only they could import their shit to the United States 😔

[agile topaz]

yessir they do import some mp7s but you cant get many full auto ones anymore after a law back in the day or something

[ionic gale]

The G36 did you well in ur service?

[cyan verge]

Ministry of Defence and Bundeswehr. both of them said that

[mystic walrus]

Under Ursula von der leyen which was made after the media reports

Again, I know the story more than you do
I literally served during the time

[ionic gale]

Damn

[mystic walrus]

It's complicated and stupid and has nothing to do with the army because the defense of ministry is not the army

[ionic gale]

So people saying the G36 was hot ass were lying

Or they just overly exaggerated the problems

[mystic walrus]

Or even the Bundeswehr

Also the HK416 being chosen as the new rifle also only happend because of corruption

[ionic gale]

wuut

[mystic walrus]

The Haenel 556 beat the 416 in almost every test, army chose it as the new gun
HK threw a fit and sued the army and boom 416 new gun

Haenel made the Stg44 for example

[cyan verge]

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/standardgewehr-der-bundeswehr-von-der-leyen-raeumt-praezisionsproblem-beim-g36-gewehr-ein-1.2416922
Jesus do you really think you know everything? Ministry of Defence and Bundeswehr. both of them said that

[mystic walrus]

Again, READ THE ARTICLE you just posted

[cyan verge]

Nach monatelanger Untersuchung hat die Bundeswehr massive Probleme bei der Treffsicherheit ihres Standardgewehrs G36 festgestellt.

[ionic gale]

I’m looking at the Haenel 5.56, it looks nice

[cyan verge]

is that enough

[mystic walrus]

Ok it doesn't say everything, my bad

[cyan verge]

?!?! can you read?

[brittle swan]

looks like a generic ass ar15 ngl lmao

[ionic gale]

Yeah, as much as I love Heckler and Koch they’re not squeaky clean

[mystic walrus]

I'll explain a bit then

The tests were not done by the Bundeswehr, the tests were done by third party companies hired by the defense ministry who tested the G36 in the absolute extreme

[ionic gale]

Instead of importing the MP7 here in the US, their weapons are conveniently ending up in the hands of cartels

[mystic walrus]

Situations it was never meant to work under, years after this tests were done under a BW commission under the KSK (KKK Administration) that basically disproved everything von der leyens ministry claimed

[agile topaz]

cough cough cia fbi

[cyan verge]

ok. well then i and the article might be wrong. do you have antything to prove that? in case you right im sorry. otherwize...

[mystic walrus]

I dont, internal news like that are internal

They might be online, however I do not care if they are not

If you don't believe me that's that too, I don't really care

[ionic gale]

man I did not know that the adoption of the HK 416 was that messy

[mystic walrus]

Von der leyen is the most hated person in the German military, for very good reasoning

[mystic walrus]

HK did the same back then with the P90

Makes worse gun than competition, loses competition, throws a fit and sues states

[ionic gale]

It’s more like they vetoed the adoption of the gun

[mystic walrus]

Veto means they buy off politicians

[ionic gale]

Also, the Mexican government was making their own versions of the G36 and H&K didn’t like that too much

[cyan verge]

if you want people to teach/inform about something, explain it in the first place and don't start a fight about something only you or a small percentage can know. i dont know whats true.

[mystic walrus]

it's not the same gun, the internal works are different

[ionic gale]

A few lawsuits later and the Mexican government wins and is allowed to manufacture their gun

[mystic walrus]

I'm not really trying to teach anything

I'm saying how it was
This isn't exactly an argument either, if you don't believe me don't believe me

[ionic gale]

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl is the Mexican rifle. I’m talking about btw

[cyan verge]

leave it buddy. just saying

[mystic walrus]

I won't, I'm kinda fond of saying things I want when I want

[ionic gale]

Oh how so? :o

I know of the FX-05 and uh

[mystic walrus]

HK sued the gun makers but after Mexico sent em some documents they decided the gun is not a knock off G36

[ionic gale]

Yeah, H&K tried to sue them but failed

[mystic walrus]

They didn't fail, they dropped the suit before any court date iirc

[ionic gale]

Ohhh ok

[mystic walrus]

Believe me, if HK actually tries to sue something they probably win

[ionic gale]

The FX-05 looks kewl too

[mystic walrus]

the one gun in all of my service I loved the most was the MG3

[ionic gale]

The weird Aztec name translates to “fire serpent” and you can see a mark on that on the gun

[mystic walrus]

The MG3 was the most reliable gun I ever used

[ionic gale]

A modern version of the MG 42?

Chambered in 7.62x51mm?

[mystic walrus]

Yeah, the main difference is the Caliber and the rate of fire adjuster

with the mg42 you had a big issue

The rate of fire was 1500rpm but an issue many faced was that the rate of fire actually increased with use

[cyan verge]

Anyways Von der Leyen is a total idiot. She cost the tax payer insane amounts of money for consulting the bundeswehr. actually it wouldn't surpise me if this was just the next move to do contracts and gain something out of it.

[mystic walrus]

Aka it started to be quicker and quicker

[ionic gale]

[mystic walrus]

we all remember von der leyen for one thing, handbags and skirts for female soldiers

[ionic gale]

German weapons and stuff like that are my favorite tbh

The G11 was an interesting lil project

[mystic walrus]

the entire introduction of female soldiers was messy, ik wasn't von der leyen

But still

women in the German army are hated by anyone serving in combat troops, for good reason

[ionic gale]

whut

that’s a little strange

Yeah, that’s definitely a fair bit sexiest ngl

[mystic walrus]

I knew that was comin

[cyan verge]

😂 true. or redesigning the barrack rooms to give them a better comfort zone

[mystic walrus]

its usually the same reaction till i explain my standpoint

i and many others suffered the most due to other female soldiers not being able to handle service

[ionic gale]

The G3 is also a interesting thingy

[agile topaz]

yeah but shit they probably arent assaulted as much as in the us armed forced i heard a us base in germany covered up some girl who got assaulted and murdered by a squad mate and something happened to her brother too

[ionic gale]

WHAT

[cyan verge]

didn't even hear that one. surprinsing to me since they have ~~promoted ~~ enrucaged women in the army so much

[mystic walrus]

I explained it before, if the woman stops on a force march because she cant anymore

You carry her

If she fails, you all fail etc

And im not against any women in the german army but as i said before

They should get kicked out if they cant handle it

[cyan verge]

oof

[mystic walrus]

more soldiers is more soldiers
The BW is 40k short as of now

[cyan verge]

even the bonus payment for the BW did not much

[agile topaz]

yeah like i said covered up a lot of things especially in foreign us bases a lot of women are assualted even dudes too it happens everywhere but more in bases like in europe and asia

[mystic walrus]

Women are as good in any position that isnt a direct combat role, but again its experience that makes me say you should not let most women into combat roles

because if war happens, and you cant anymore on a force march or similar youll be left behind

[ionic gale]

Wdym?

[versed dune]

I wonder why ATF didn't get fictionalize, into FAT or something

[agile topaz]

💀

[mystic walrus]

Theres a bunch of jobs

From medics to logistic personnel that anyone can do with the know how

But when it comes to the jobs that really require physique

[cyan verge]

They should get kicked out if they cant handle it
agreed

[indigo gazelle]

Anyways, I finally got 🅰️+ on Elephant,thanks for the help guys

[agile topaz]

everyone should be kicked out if they cant handle i mean at least you guys dont have fat camp

[mystic walrus]

I have never seen the new rooms btw

It was decided every room should look like that 10 years ago

[ionic gale]

Whu

[cyan verge]

like the FIB from GTA. hahah i like FAT😂. just sounds great

[mystic walrus]

Our bases look worse than most german prisons (isnt a joke, the prisons look better)

The mold and other stuff was also bad, you could really tell most bases are from the 1800s

[mystic walrus]

If a girl claims you are assaulted you are fucked

[versed dune]

Firearms, Alcohol, Tobacco & Explosives Bureau

XD

[mystic walrus]

They dont cover up, the army will without an investigation send you into army jail till they deem you innocent or not

[ionic gale]

FATIB?

[mystic walrus]

They can imprison you for no reason by german army law

[ionic gale]

that’s fucked up dude

[versed dune]

IRL it's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and shorten version is ATF.

That's why FAT works

[mystic walrus]

The German army law was funny, everything was regulated

"After 1.5m deep water you start to swim"

"When climbing a tree and you reach the top, stop climbing"

"If the head is separated more than 5cm from the body, declare death"

All of these are real things in the German army lawbook

[cyan verge]

a news report says minibar and flatscreens. and something about the furniture

[ionic gale]

so how would the fictional LS ATF be abbreviated? :o

[mystic walrus]

Yeah, looked awesome, the only ones who got that tho were officer bases like school bases

[versed dune]

Why would they say LS lol, ATF is a federal agency

[ionic gale]

Idk

[agile topaz]

in the armed forces i think army theres a fat camp where fat recruits who cannot under any circumstances pass the military fitness who dont have to do it themselves but are sent to a base to be trained to be fit then sent to a recruit to be trained then all the specialization training roles

[cyan verge]

actually germany isnt so bad in terms of prisions. they do a bit more than other countrys to resocialize

[ionic gale]

Ahhh alr

[agile topaz]

a lot of girls are actually assaulted a lot of them never get justice either

[mystic walrus]

I know our prisons don't look bad, doesn't justify barracks being worse though

[drifting sand]

How'd we get from a discussion about AI being too accurate and having ESP, to the Bundeswehr's procurement woes?

[ionic gale]

damn the German Armed Forces doesn’t seem like a fun place to be

[agile topaz]

the whole thing about it is they use tax payer money to be whipped into shape instead of them doing it themselves to be military fit

[cyan verge]

yes. true.

[ionic gale]

Oh so basically if you don’t make the cut instead, just kicking you out and making you wait for another selection process you could actually just try and redeem yourself?

I don’t know if it’s just me, but I feel like there’s something a little bit wrong here

[mystic walrus]

I disagree with that

I have not once even heard of an assault in the German army and while I'm not saying it didn't happen

I'm saying it's incredibly rare

Even back in 2010 we got told every week to not do anything solicit etc

What is the case if that a lot of female soldiers are, what's the word? Sleeping with a lot of men on their own

Claim to be assaulted when a Sargeant nags them etc

And I know of more "fake" assaults than real ones

[cyan verge]

damaged or no equipment in the infantry feels like beeing the disabandoned child of an family

[mystic walrus]

The army isn't even allowed to make publics reports on fake assaults, obviously but still

[mystic walrus]

It was the best time in my life

[cyan verge]

really? didn't hear a lot people saying this

[ionic gale]

I obviously never served but it’s interesting to hear

[mystic walrus]

you either love it or hate it, I wouldn't have served if I didn't want to be a soldier in the first place

[ionic gale]

I’m looking to be an actual LE officer prob one day, if that doesn’t work out, firearm werk it is

[agile topaz]

yes theres fake reports and a lot of those situations but also you dont hear of real reports because they get swept under the rug and im not talking just in armed forces though it is a problem there especially in us forces and in general a lot of women world wide get assualted and never get justice

[mystic walrus]

The reason I left had to do with that I didn't get a position I wanted after several of my applications were denied

I wanted to go to Lithuania however my position was basically very important to my base hence my Major denying every application I sent out

So I quit

[stone bay]

🤣

[drifting sand]

It's the lot of the infantry.

Handed the cheapest thing and told to make do; comes with the "peace divided" idea that dominated the last decade.

[mystic walrus]

The worst thing about the German army is that it's hard to leave certain positions after time

[cyan verge]

sometime you have to let them feel their loss

[mystic walrus]

Say you're a tank commander on a Puma in an understaffed Company that needs combat readiness

You're not allowed to leave the company

[drifting sand]

Strongly indicating that there are in fact people who have not done these things when the situation arose.

[agile topaz]

the marines in america get fucked over too half of them stay in cancer black mold infested bases and get shit equipment i think the training rifle is still a bayonetted m16 lmao

[mystic walrus]

Again I just can say from my army experience (dunno bout navy nor airforce) that that shit would be punished severely

[ionic gale]

Lots of millitaries in the world have shitty parts to them

[drifting sand]

Meanwhile the service changes airframes like they were socks.

It's not a funding problem, it's a problem with the generals' sense of priorities.

Been a running theme with the Marines; ever since WW2 IIRC

[cyan verge]

ai. don't say anything against my beloved M16 😂 😂

[ionic gale]

Every military in fact

[mystic walrus]

Also back when I joined I wanted to be on a Leopard 2

Then they lied to me and got me into mech infantry

ah the good old marder, hellish vehicle ill never miss it

[cyan verge]

what do you mean by lied? did they literally promised or made false hopes?

[hushed crest]

when are they adding lpvo that can zoom in and out

[mystic walrus]

I still remember when I was a private and under the Marder you got these plugs

They told me to open the plugs and idiot as I was I opened them with my face directly under it

All the oil, fat and other wastes coming out of that made my day

I still remember that happening in a crowd of like 90 soldiers, I sure made a name for myself after that

[ionic gale]

What about the chow you guys get?

[mystic walrus]

chow? Wdym

[mystic walrus]

they said that there weren't any free spots for the Leos (which I found out 3 weeks after basic training was a lie)

And lied to me claiming Panzergrenadier was basically the same as Panzerschütze

[ionic gale]

Is your guy’s food situation good or is it also not good?

[mystic walrus]

depends what were talkin about

Field kitchen, base food or MRE?

[ionic gale]

The entire food situation

Everything lol

[mystic walrus]

Base food was ok, there was a restaurant on every base and the canteen
The restaurant was for off duty and served anything from alcohol to fast food

The canteen was ok
Sometimes good sometimes not

field kitchen was very hit and miss

90% noodles with some sauce and meat, most of the time disgusting though

MREs gave you Diarrhea and were full with sugar

[ionic gale]

I watch MRE videos and I seen that Latin American and maybe other European countries have better MREs

Not liek sugar, like actual substance of protein and other stuff

[mystic walrus]

I mean yeah sure i had MREs from all countries and american ones sucked

Doesnt mean the sugar soup that were ours were any good

[ionic gale]

I live in the United States so uh i’m not surprised lol

[mystic walrus]

the best MREs were the swedish ones, no clue why though
I just remember them tasting good

Our MREs were usually Curry sausage with potato, Beans with Potato and some meat, Stew, Pea soup or Ravioli

and all the side dishes and shit

But those were the main types we had

[ionic gale]

It looks like that the MREs that rely mostly on sugar for morale and energy are not exactly the best

[mystic walrus]

its for energy, but sugar is terrible

nobody enjoyed the MREs, most more physically intense people outright puked from that shit

it shouldnt be too hard to listen to the soldiers and get rid of the sugar

[ionic gale]

For our guys in the US, The Veggie Omelette struck fear into many armed forces

[mystic walrus]

i had some noodles with some shitty sauce and meatballs from the americans

[ionic gale]

I understand that there’s candies and stuff like that for a boost, but in the long-term, it’s not gonna be good for nutrition or energy

[mystic walrus]

It tasted like sugar, like i mean it straight up tasted like sugar
No other taste

[mystic walrus]

Im not talking about the candy, im talking about the main food

That shouldnt have that much sugar in it

[ionic gale]

Yeah that too

[mystic walrus]

More protein wouldve been nice too

[ionic gale]

Good hearty and nutritious food should be the main focus

[ionic gale]

Yeah, especially in the military protein is important Im sure

[mystic walrus]

I hated sleeping outside at first when i joined

but after time you only hate it in winter

the shittiest ive felt in life was at -25° in the Saxon mountains on christmas sleeping outside

[ionic gale]

[mystic walrus]

Well sleeping is relative

We were lying in position for 7 hours, was really hard to focus in the cold

It was the advanced infantry training you had to finish to a fully trained soldier

Basic training and that are defo the most memorable times

[ionic gale]

I was talking about this before but US soldiers rely on sheer volume of fire

How is it different in European militaries

[high cipher]

hey arent there balaclavas?

[mystic walrus]

Ive noticed, they tend to lose a lot of exercises

[shy tulip]

They don't have the budgets to sustain fire like that

[shy tulip]

Yes, echo in COOP under characters

[mystic walrus]

Depends on country

Some rely on fire and movement
Some more on artillery

But i doesnt just depend on country but also on who youre fighting

Regular infantry fights different to Mech Infantry etc

In exercises the US struggled to defend and hold shit

Yeah they always attacked aggressive but we could always abuse that and let them in then shoot from the back

But again, this was because we knew the exercise field 1:1
They didnt

[high cipher]

thx man

[mystic walrus]

Drones also started to be used more back in 2020

Was funny, but im glad i dont have to fight against that

[ionic gale]

German SF also are something that are kool to me

[mystic walrus]

which one

[ionic gale]

I rlly only know the KSK

[mystic walrus]

We trained with the KSK every now and then

All of em are pieces of shit that cant differenciate between exercise and real scenario

broke one of our comrades arm for no fucking reason

[ionic gale]

[mystic walrus]

The german paratroopers were worse though

They failed to take a town so what do they do? Shoot a signal pistol into someones face.

[ionic gale]

Special Forces in many countries are interesting to me

[ionic gale]

That’s not cool

Why they go and do that?

[mystic walrus]

Special forces are interesting because youll always have people that claim they are apart of one

(No paratroopers are not SF stfu)

I accumulated so much hate for German paratroopers

Arrogant and incompetent

[ionic gale]

Yeah ik lol

[mystic walrus]

I dont know, i unlike Fallschirmjäger have the brain capacity of at least a toddler

I never understood how jumping out of a plane can turn someone this stupid

[ionic gale]

LOL

I know them well from the WW2 era

[mystic walrus]

The most infuriating thing is that civilians associate being a paratrooper with being some kind of elite soldier

Couldnt be further from the truth

The difference between a paratrooper and a normal grunt is the way to work, nothing else

[ionic gale]

They ain’t the KSK, SEALs, SAS

[copper cypress]

In addition to the civilians in Apartment 213 and Amos' house who will attack players, will civilians in other maps also attack players?

[mystic walrus]

They think they are, thats the thing that made me hate em

[ionic gale]

They sound like douches

[mystic walrus]

well obviously not all, but you notice a trend with branches

[ionic gale]

Ppl who talk all high and mighty ig

[mystic walrus]

i dont mind arrogant people when they back it up

ksk were also very arrogant, i just dont hate them for it

[ionic gale]

yeah, US Marines and their grunt attitude and their addiction to crayons

[cyan verge]

what time is it at your location currently?

[mystic walrus]

The police was also very arrogant when we did exercises with them they always thought they were something better

[mystic walrus]

7:30, my sleep schedule is a bit fucked

[ionic gale]

Ohh

[cyan verge]

7:30. mine to😂

[ionic gale]

Have you trained with GSG 9?, I kind of know that organization well.

[mystic walrus]

We did the the Zuz

i think it was zuz? Idfk
Sek and police
I dont really know if we ever had the gsg9 at our base

They mightve been, the upside of opfor is you farm overtime hours and can do a lot of vacation

Within my first year i had enough overtime to call off 3 or 4 months

Ah DUZ how i loved it

[ionic gale]

Whut is that? :o

[mystic walrus]

Bonus for weekend and holiday work

you had a 8 hour workday Mon-Fri on paper

Anything more is overtime

And weekend and holidays give extra shit

[mystic walrus]

So if you sleep outside you make like 16 overtime hours a day

If i was able to get it paid out i wouldve been rich but we werent allowed to because of the sheer amount we had

[ionic gale]

Hm

A misconception that most people have about the military is the gear that you get of course

[drifting sand]

Cheapest shit that hopefully works?

[ionic gale]

Not every soldier is going to be armed with a pistol, they really only reserved for officers and other people like that

[mystic walrus]

i mean thats pretty complicated

What gear you get vastly depends on your rank and function and base location

[ionic gale]

Yeah ofc

I think the P8 is the standard issue pistol in the German military?

[mystic walrus]

We had a chest rig issued till like 2020? So everyone bought their own plate carrier

[ionic gale]

A 9x19mm version of the USP pistol

[mystic walrus]

But then we got the new plate carriers in 2020

[ionic gale]

WUT?

[mystic walrus]

Its still common for most german soldiers to have the chest rig

[ionic gale]

What do you mean by that?

[mystic walrus]

You dont need a plate carrier in most positions anyways

Yeah it was a shame it took so long for combat positions to get one

But imma be honest, for exercises i wished wed have kept the rig

Running around with a 20kg plate carrier every day is very how do i say

[ionic gale]

Wait, I’m confused. What do you mean?

You guys had body armor that makes sense , but I’m guessing you guys just had a different type of body armor?

[mystic walrus]

No we didnt have any body armor issued till like 2020

google Lochkoppel Bundeswehr

[stone bay]

any reason why ron should be taking up all of my resources per task manager?

[mystic walrus]

cant tell you

[stone bay]

no performance issues from whatever the patch was yesterday?

[mystic walrus]

none for me

[ionic gale]

So practically unless you had the money to buy a plate carrier you were practically unarmored

[mystic walrus]

Again, not as bad as you think

[ionic gale]

Oh wait, you did say that many positions did not really require armor

And it would’ve been kind of cumbersome to always have it I’m guessing

[mystic walrus]

ok e.g. vehicle crews dont wear armor

The main purpose of the plate carrier is to protect against shrapnell

[stone bay]

vehicles are pretty good at that

[mystic walrus]

stopping bullets was kind of the other function it had to fulfil

The german doctrine is very aggressive, so if youre shot they wont stop everything they do to help you

we got trained to literally check on you deem your status, tell a medic if you can survive, give you morphine if necessary then leave you

Our doctrine is still basically the same as back in ww2

Combined arms between tanks and panzergrenadiere

Which is also what sets us apart from e.g. the americans

[ionic gale]

How so?

[noble pasture]

isnt modern doctrine built around not losing a single man?

preserve lives

[mystic walrus]

the americans use the IFVs and stuff as battle taxies

Aks they dismount before combat and walk into combat

We drive into the battle, dismount in battle, fight alongside IFVs and MBTs then mount and continue

[mystic walrus]

Our doctrine worked back then and still works in exercise

However how both the us doctrine or ours work in a conventional war? Who tf knows

Neither have fought a real conventional war with an equal enemy in 70 years

[noble pasture]

no? US is always in a war

[mystic walrus]

and in the end if you do everything via doctrine is a whole different question

[mystic walrus]

Read what i wrote carefully

"Conventional war with equal enemy" is the main point

[ionic gale]

Insurgents and gorilla warfare is not conventional tactics with an equal enemy Im guessing

[mystic walrus]

Doctrines are usually based on fighting an almost equal enemy

You dont really base military doctrines on fighting insurgents

[ionic gale]

Maybe it was different in Vietnam or Korea, but meh

[mystic walrus]

Its not, thats precisely the point

[stone bay]

yeah you really need special tactics with those pesky gorillas

[mystic walrus]

E.g. the Aircraft carriers the US has are practically not very useful against an equal enemy

[ionic gale]

But the village in Yemen, it could wipe that out pretty well

[mystic walrus]

Now im not sure about navy doctrine, i do know that us carriers get sunken a lot in exercises

nowadays protecting an aircraft carrier is too costly to actually put it in danger

[mystic walrus]

Yep

so again how doctrines actually work in war we dont know till war happens

[ionic gale]

Yeah, America’s wars is mostly insurgencies and gurilla wars are not conventional wars

I think the Korean War was maybe the last conventional war we fought, but then there was being Nam’, but the tactics of the North Vietnamese could be debated

[mystic walrus]

Again you cant really compare wars back then with nowadays

the us during the vietnam war was still basically the same as in ww2

[ionic gale]

Military doctrine was obviously different then

[mystic walrus]

I dont know about that, my experience from fighting us troops is pretty limited

We only had exercises against their mech inf, tanks and some other stuff

What their marines do? No clue, i dont think they are even in europe to begin with

I might be wrong though, im not so sure about it

[ionic gale]

The Marines attack

[mystic walrus]

Not what i meant

[ionic gale]

Ah, I meant it in a very simplified way, but its obviously not simple

[mystic walrus]

I meant more so i cant judge them since i doubt they train with european nations

i dunno if theyd do so well against others considering they barely have vehicles

But thats not their purpose from what i gather anyways

[ionic gale]

They’re too busy eating crayons prob

[mystic walrus]

The same joke exists in every nation about a branch

In germany its my branch thats the crayon eaters

To be fair Panzergrenadier is the normal soldier here

Mech Infantry in germany is more common than Regular Infantry

[ionic gale]

Wut branch were u in?

[mystic walrus]

Mech Infantry

[ionic gale]

Ahh

[mystic walrus]

Marder IFV first, then Puma IFV

Started off as Grenadier, then became Machine gunner, then did the sniper selection and failed, then became squad leader and then tank commander

[ionic gale]

How is mechanize infantry different from regular infantry? In all militaries in fact.

[mystic walrus]

regular infantry walks a lot

And mech infantry varies on the country

In germany Mech infantry
Aka the squad and the tank are treated as the same entity

You dont fight without the tank unless necessary

As mentioned the americans dismount before battle, we dismount in battle and fight with the tank

I heard because of the in battle dismount we got like a 6 second survival window

Thats what they keep telling you during training "you will die anyways"
Lol

[drifting sand]

Well, the expectation during the creation of German mech infantry (during the cold war) was that their battlegrounds would be irradiated wastelands.

So they were expected to last a few days to weeks at the most.

Though this is the first time I'm hearing about the expectation of dismounting after engaging the enemy instead of one terrain feature before.

[mystic walrus]

ah not true

Oh that word is censored? Ok so the Panzergrenadier doctrine comes from the time of the bad germans

The doctrine itself has nothing to do with irradiated warfare

What you mean is the later features and additional combat features that came with the IFV marder

But if you look into the lifeline of the vehicle all of the Nuclear combat doctrine was dropped by the A3 variant

That was call me out if im wrong the 1980s?

[mystic walrus]

Also you dont dismount after an engagement

You can imagine it like this

Marder and Leopard drive full speed into combat zone, when combat starts and its necessary the infantry dismounts, if not it stays on the tanks and fights mounted (you can open the hatches and fight while the vehicle is driving)

If you dismounted and the battle is over you quickly mount again and repeat

As said before you fight WITH the tank, its not just your taxi but you are apart of it

[drifting sand]

Yep.

The irradiated wasteland model of mech infantry.

[mystic walrus]

This model of warfare comes before nuclear warfare was a thing

and theres also differences to nuclear warfare doctrine

this is the de facto Mechanised warfare, the Bundeswehr and Wehrmacht were the first to introduce it and also introduced the first IFV

Maybe its just called that in english but it doesnt make too much sense to me because the doctrine itself has nothing to do with irradiated combat

[drifting sand]

Soviets followed soon after.

Honestly impressive how they managed to build everything around having all their forces being mechanized.

Anyhoo.

Back to RoN.

AI still seems to detect (and shoot) through tiny gaps, and has unnatural seeming accuracy and detection.

It's not as awful as launch, but it's still plenty bad. Just try the Post Office level to see how bad it can get.

[noble pasture]

Sinous Trail security guards probably failed their IQ tests

they hear SWAT and think its a prank?

[frail pier]

I thought they were LARPing as stormtroopers. The aim convinced me

[flint shell]

just did valley of the dolls just for 1 enemy ai to roam around the map hiding from me for 40 MINUTESSS

they have to be trolling with these ai sometimes

the amount of times i've had ai just wait for me at the exfil zone

[severe light]

Is there new customization stuff with new dlc?

[stone bay]

In the briefing, it’s mentioned that they’ve been robbed numerous times before by individuals posing as either LSPD or LSPD SWAT.

So their behavior isn’t out of place.

Mindjot is probably my third least-favorite level, right behind Greased Palms and Valley.

[hybrid cobalt]

damn bro i just ran an ironman run full s-tier for the acheavo without dying or losing any officers and it didnt give me it

[wispy cypress]

morning

[drifting sand]

Greased Palms is just a special kind of hell.

All of the suspect AI issues just painfully apparent on that level; from the ESP, to the preternatural accuracy, to the spotting and shooting through tiny gaps.

[swift mauve]

how do you get the new guns from the update?

[hybrid cobalt]

i believe buying the dlc

[drifting sand]

They're available to everyone AFAIK.

Just look in the list

One's a .300 PDW classed as an assault rifle, one's a handgun, and one's a pistol in a frame pretending to be a SMG

[full thistle]

Sig PDWs my beloved 🙏
(I still run a basic MK18 kit)

[drifting sand]

.300 in HP is a surprisingly good cartridge.

It's my go to alternative for plain old 5.56 FMJ

[full thistle]

All these fancy schmancy gadgets, all you need is a good ol' T2, flashlight, and some sort of grip

[full thistle]

I personally run .300 in AP to make use of it's better wallbanging

[drifting sand]

Fair.

But with HP it packs a decent punch against flesh and can easily pen armour.

Do any enemies actually have heavy armour?

[silent flare]

is there a mod tht makes me wear both gas mask and nvgs

[noble pasture]

Gunfighter

[stone bay]

Gunfighter adds nvgs as an equippable item

[silent flare]

okay 👍

[stone bay]

which mods are compatible for the new update

[sly orchid]

is the breaching shotgun good?

[tacit gull]

Probably the best long tac tbh

It used to breach doors from across the map but that just got fixed this patch

The battering ram takes ages to swing and you basically need to be kissing the door, while the breaching shotgun can fire one shot for half open door, two shots for a fully open door or it can just dismantle doors entirely

Idk if its still the same but the ram also had less suspect morale penalty

[tacit gull]

gratr

So just shoot another shot, it takes like half a second

Especially since you can still do it from behind the breacher

The shotgun is just the best since it is absolutely the fastest breaching tool and it doesn't cost any slot points, C2 is good if you want to breach from a distance now since the shockwave is incredibly short

[sly orchid]

As my squads breacher, Im running the breaching shotgun, 4 c2s, an lvar, a glock 19, pepper spray, 2 bangs, 5 primary ap mags, 3 secondary ap mags

[tacit gull]

Right now i don't think C2 is capable of killing or incapping suspects without them getting damaged beforehand, either that or it's completely random and i haven't had it happen in ages

They always fake death from C2 which is still basically an easy arrest

Killed? not incapped?

Also you could have just left the mission and tried again

[sly orchid]

I could get the door wide open with two breaching shotgun shots and swap to my lvar at the same speed if not faster than i could slam the door open im with my battering ram and swap to my lvar

i mean both alert suspects

Its just faster to swap to your primary from the breaching shotgun

[tacit gull]

Suspect alert when breaching doesn't really matter most of the time since they will be watching the door regardless usually

[fringe monolith]

did they fix the endless walk trying to find the last civilan?

[stone bay]

ive been on this map for 40 minutes and still cannot find the final suspect

any tiny hiding places on meth house that you guys know about

[fringe monolith]

im not playing till they fix it

[fringe monolith]

thats the map that made me quit the game

[stone bay]

did you check beds and closets

[fringe monolith]

nope

[stone bay]

look at that, there's the problem

[fringe monolith]

yeah bc if i got that one done then there would be another map with the same issue

[stone bay]

thats a wild take

"yeah, the issue i complained about isnt a real issue, but WHAT IF ANOITHER MAP HAD IT"

[sly orchid]

Im also big on realism, and having a 55 pound rod stored on your back isnt really practical

The breaching shotgun is actually not even meant to open doors lol

[stone bay]

battering ram is fun but breaching shotgun is actually good

[tacit gull]

don't get me started on how much i hate how the shield looks

[sly orchid]

Usually you hit it with the shotgun then kick it

[sly orchid]

its too clunky for me

[stone bay]

nah just dismnatle the entire thing with an extr ashot

[sly orchid]

im high speed i swear 🤓

[tacit gull]

The SWAT AI does that and you can technically do it yourself i suppose

[fringe monolith]

you think walking around for 40 mins tryinf to find 1 person is fun gameplay

[stone bay]

ok but did you S rank without a mirrorgun

[tacit gull]

Which brings me to my next point: The better ram (the kick)

[sly orchid]

No my teammate always has one

[stone bay]

I think its making me realise I didnt clear the rooms properly and I should work on that

[sly orchid]

I just like to pretend my breaching shotgun is on a lanyard/ one point sling

[stone bay]

velcro!

i never use the shield myself, but my red team always has shield & mirror, and blue team has breaching tool and mirror

it makes me way too slow but the AI handle it fine

these motehrfucking AIs keep sticking guns through the walls

[noble pasture]

had to execute adams

[stone bay]

mr fisa fuck?

[noble pasture]

he took a worker hostage, I dont like this RoE. Yeah him

[stone bay]

i love when i wound the main suspects

counts as an arrest, get to shoot them, feels realistic

the terrorist in the night club is the dumbest objective. no way we're sparing anyone with a gun in that building

[sly orchid]

Would be useful to capture one but its so unrealistic considering how much of a threat they are

tryna capture a motivated gunman

[stone bay]

"swat team 1, respond to the nightclub for an active terrorist attack, look out for this one guy to capture please, he looks exacftly like the other armed, bomb carrying terrorists."

friendly fire x4 🗣️ 🔥

[true saddle]

my only criticism with commander mode is that i personally would rather have 4 of the same guys throughout the whole campaign instead of 4 generic guys that literally look the same. just looking at swat 4 they did that well BUT commander mode is interesting, although slightly frustrating sometimes.

[noble pasture]

Hi

I have turned evil (I dont yell 5 times for 1 suspect to surrender)

[stone bay]

i have been executed by my team (the guy hadnt fully raised the gun yet)

[stone bay]

commander mode is practice, with more annoying mechanics, and no actual benefit to how you play, if you were playing practice at all realistically

[noble pasture]

I found out why narcos took so many bullets, they have lvl 4 armor

[stone bay]

AK time 😃

[cold swift]

And I was wondering why getting beat cop achievement was such a pain in the ass

They tank 3 revolver bullets

[wispy cypress]

use five seven

btw need some Aim too, cuz the recoils, effects are crazy on pistols

[noble pasture]

You need headshots

[cold swift]

Figured this much, but it ain't exactly easy to snipe fellas when you're being supressed by a guy with a rilfe turned mg via drum mag

[noble pasture]

Or alternatively, shoot them in the pelvis

SixtyAteWhisky made a video on it

Most armors dont even cover the pelvis area so shoot for the low shots

[jolly verge]

That does nothing since armor cover whole torso

[noble pasture]

Even the dick?

[jolly verge]

yes, half of butt i would say

[wispy cypress]

Dick..

[stone bay]

shouldn't, I watched a whole 40min video on how it's very effective

[noble pasture]

Then leg or head shots

[wispy cypress]

Butt armor where

[wraith belfry]

is it just me or does the game look worse (direct12x)

[jolly verge]

Same for player

[noble pasture]

I once incapped Gerard with leg shots

[wispy cypress]

looks fine

[wraith belfry]

they couldnt add more clothes for this update 😭

[stone bay]

my teammate was about to enter the arrest animation, and got shot. he then stood still while 2 guys with m249s lit him up. couldnt do anything to save him. fml

[jolly verge]

They add some clothes and tattoos, but only if you own dlc

[true saddle]

can you unlock swat 99 by playing practice?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[wraith belfry]

for 10 bucks..HELL NAH

[weak mist]

How does my swat AI teamates keep killing suspects even though they have the pepperball ar. A round is piercing the suspects chest almost as if it was a real gun

[wraith belfry]

i need my man ballistic working overtime rn topump out cosmetics

[true saddle]

lets be honest here... maps/guns>cosmetics

[stone bay]

pistols? shields?

[wispy cypress]

Arrest animation is buggy asf rn

[wraith belfry]

tf? no the modding community did better than wtf these new guns are

[weak mist]

Ah thats it, one dude is running w a shield and is shooting them w a pistol

god damn

[wispy cypress]

Actually normal price, not even expensive.

[true saddle]

modded guns don't have new slots and unique animations, thats just objectively wrong

[stone bay]

thats subjective though

[true saddle]

is it?

[stone bay]

you are describing your opinion

[true saddle]

none of what i said was an opinion

[stone bay]

you said their opinion (saying x is better than y) was objectively wrong

[wraith belfry]

new anims is just reloadingwith 2 mags in 1 hand

[true saddle]

i was saying modders cant do better than void

[stone bay]

thats also a subjective opinion

[true saddle]

maybe idk

[stone bay]

why are my AI suddenly so much more aggressive, cant possibly get the 3 arrests on ides

[prime wing]

guns or cosmetics regardless have 0 impact on the gameplay. Unless its optics or adjusments to the blueprints

[weak mist]

They gotta add a balaclava already

[true saddle]

true, so maps>cosmetics

[true saddle]

i think they did in multiplayer idk though

[weak mist]

I havent found one

[prime wing]

its in mp

[stone bay]

also that one daniel defense rifle is a pretty fire mod

[weak mist]

Why only in mp though

[true saddle]

modders can only make guns cosmetic is what i was trying to say

[stone bay]

daniel defense is, to my knowledge, an entirely custom made weapon, with a ton of attachments, and an option to have both laser and light on one gun

i dont think it replaces another one

[prime wing]

i imagine having the balaclava as an option for all of those heads, including judge, is a lot of work for no justifiable reason. Thus i expect them to add heads, instead of making them a customization option

[stoic vortex]

ngl, kinda tired of AR style rifles

[weak mist]

And also why is it not base game to have both laser and flashlight on your gun

[true saddle]

yeaa but you can only use flashlight OR laser, also it does replace

[weak mist]

Shotguns are fun, lol

[stone bay]

idk but thats a perfect example of modders making a very excellent feature

[stone bay]

not at all true, you can use both, they're binded seperately. also adds flashlight intensity

[true saddle]

huh, i haven't installed mods in a while

[stone bay]

so why are you saying none of them are good 😭

[true saddle]

did i say that?

[waxen grove]

What’s new

[stone bay]

you said they cant do better than void and nothing ive seen recently is an update id describe as good

[true saddle]

i didn't say none of them were good though

[stone bay]

you're right that was exaggeration on my part

[waxen grove]

Honestly I have no clue why they decided to go with the hard way and not add it to the customisation system.

[stoic vortex]

If running with Balaclava, Morale will be high when going against cartel or terrorists since they hide their face. Down side is may not be able to get more compliant suspects/civilians since voice muffled.

[true saddle]

my knowledge was based on mods before 1.0 so i didn't know if they've gotten better, i had just assumed they hadn't since i hadn't heard anything

[tacit gull]

Because that isn't the hard way, making a balaclava for every face is

[prime wing]

^

[tacit gull]

Because otherwise as you see with the balaclava addition mod it will clip horrendously

[waxen grove]

You say that like we don’t already have clipping issues

[tacit gull]

And we definetly don't need more, yes

[stone bay]

it actually isnt very downloaded, I think since its hidden behind that giant attachment expansion

[waxen grove]

Which mod?

[stone bay]

the daniel defense rifle one

[tacit gull]

There are other mods that use the attachment expansion, check the requirements on the mod's page

[stoic vortex]

Random question, is there a name for the ballistic dummy/detainee in the rehab room

[stone bay]

jeremy (no)

[tacit gull]

jerma

[prime wing]

the thing with gear issues/clippimg/mismatches, its that the person who knows stuff about details, modeling and making good fits works on it alone last time I heard. So, theres always something to work on at that pace and what I assume to be a long checklist of tasks.

[mellow valve]

how many face models are there

[prime wing]

One man project for all gearhead stuff

[tacit gull]

A lot, probably like 20?

[mellow valve]

also for balaclavas cant we just do voxel deformation and then bake it as a new model

[true saddle]

lets not associate the dummy with an IRL serial killer pls...

[stoic vortex]

Swan's head cant fit with any eye wear

[tacit gull]

you're right that was out of line 😔

[prime wing]

my dumb head dont know what that is

[true saddle]

i cant believe hes still at large