👮ron-discussion

[stone bay]

because its terribly implemented into the game

[paper imp]

Eh, I kinda like it

[stone bay]

it takes an already not actually SWAT game, and tries to add extra difficulty to playing it at all realistically

[fossil palm]

micro managing a team is not where its at

[stone bay]

real

if im head of the stack, the mental wellbeing of the 4 behind me is absolutely not mine to manage, thats on them and the head of swat or whatever

[fossil palm]

yeah

while only having one team, all go down to therapy

[knotty crest]

I wouldn't mind the micromanaging the team if it wasn't undercooked and the game wasn't so punishing in general imo.

I think it's an interesting system which is just not implemented 100 percent in the best way.

Like not being able to restart a level on commander mode really grinds my gears.

[stone bay]

if I cant perfectly beat a level cause I shoot the guy who held a shotgun to my head, then the game's grading is just incorrect, which leads to stress levels, which leads to my team being stupid

[mossy agate]

I still wonder why void decided to add such a useless mechanic to begin with. If your teammate leaves there are almost zero consequences. The mental well-being of your CPU comrades doesn't matter, either. They won't do shit if they're bordering on insanity or whatever. It's such a useless mechanic, istg

[humble knoll]

I think stress needs tuning but I can see what they’re trying to do with it too

[knotty crest]

I think they implemented it because they wanted to talk about the stress of the job and the mental health issues that can come from that, but it's just a bit rushed, I think CPU officers making mistakes while stressed is interesting but it is just a bit frustrating.

Not to mention that the officer related perks are a bit busted.

[stone bay]

anyone know the answer to this btw

[knotty crest]

If you get a higher grade you unlock everything below that grade.

[humble knoll]

Yeah, you can.

[stone bay]

legends thanks

see im excellent at a consistent A+ but I guarantee I couldnt get exactly a B if I tried

and ive had to restart due to a mod issue

[humble knoll]

Honestly I weirdly have enjoyed commander mode more playing it on Ironman (going for The World and The Hermit). Things feel a lot more consequential.

[mossy agate]

Sure, but I think they could've done that differently. Either way, I hated this mechanic at first and I still hate it now. As far as I care, it just exists to hog up space at the end of every mission screen.

[stone bay]

Playing for no failure is certainly fun, but the AI is too fucking stupid for it to work perfectly

[knotty crest]

I can imagine it does but it would just be too frustrating for me I think.

Especially doing the dance around the AI, although if I had to go for the world I'd be playing lethal instead of non lethal, which might alleviate some of that frustration.

Finishing Port non lethally with the AI squad mates was already making me go prematurely grey, I couldn't imagine trying to do it while trying to not die all the way up to that point.

[humble knoll]

I actually disagree, the AI has issues but in my view people overstate the case. I do think I have a basis to speak on this- I’m not a tactical shooter guy normally and my twitch reflexes are average to poor but I’ve managed to S-rank the game in large part by using my squad carefully

[stone bay]

my careful usage tends to consist of move to, then do it myself

[sinful scarab]

How to check whether did i install my dlc?

[stone bay]

on steam, click DLC

near "store page" "guides" etc

[humble knoll]

I really do think that taking your time, holding angles, listening out for movement or shouts, using the wand (it’s not just for doors, you can peek corners and angles with it) works well.

[stone bay]

it does, but the AI finds a way to interfere with all of those

[sinful scarab]

Then?

[jovial pond]

when are the bugfixes?

[stone bay]

there's info there, I forget exactly what it looks like

[golden birch]

did they nerf gas or something?

[humble knoll]

Also knowing when to be loud and when to be quiet. Honestly my AI frustrations have gone way down. I remember pre-1.0 and 1.0 AI, and the difference between then and now is significant.

[jovial pond]

?

[humble knoll]

Don’t know

[humble knoll]

What sort of interference have you noticed?

[stone bay]

AIs tend to re-shuffle themselves a lot, whenever Im still especially in tight corners, I constantly get the "i need you to move over" voiceline

[stone bay]

small stuff that is irritating when you try to do things properly

you should be able to tell the AI what grade you're going for, and then they act accordingly

l;ike if you say D, they'll just shoot everyone because you don't care, but if you say A+, they leave dealing with suspects to you where possible

thats essentially what I mean, set their rules of engagement

[humble knoll]

I think loadout selection already serves a lot of that purpose

[coarse musk]

Is the patch out

[humble knoll]

An option to set posture would be nice though- one problem with the AI is that it tends to push way too deep if you don’t wrangle them

[stone bay]

i had a 50gb install so I d hope so

[knotty crest]

I don’t know, there is just certain areas like the more open and vertical portions of the game which are a nightmare to deal with because of how the suspect AI behaves in tandem with the SWAT AI, and while I’m quite happy to deal with that with the ability to restart quickly, being locked into a match and losing an AI team member because they push to secure someone in a fatal funnel without being asked is frustrating.

[stone bay]

just got rushed by a civilian, got hit 3 times, shot them and got executed by my whole team 🕺

[frail pier]

I'd rather play solo than play with AI lmaooo

Why would I clear with people who run into a building backwards? Sounds like mfers that'll get me killed

[knotty crest]

I think the SWAT AI behaves optimally in close quarters with careful management, but maps like the postal depot and port, and to a lesser extent, neon tomb, feel like roadblocks for me trying to go for the optimal score.

[stone bay]

i hate twisted nerve

there's a reason I got an A+ then never touched it again, fuck this map

[knotty crest]

I really like the crack house.

The only map I really hate is greased palms.

[noble pasture]

Swat AI costed me a game

[stone bay]

real

AI bomb defusal when

[noble pasture]

They full auto-ed a human shield and suspect at same time

[stone bay]

That is my favourite

[knotty crest]

Lmao, I guess we are just polar opposites.

[stone bay]

well you win some you lose some 🤷‍♂️

[final bolt]

Did they do something between yesterday and today that fugged the fps?

[stone bay]

my performance is massively boosted

[final bolt]

I'm getting like, single digits and teens

[noble pasture]

they didnt even attempt to go for a headshot, straight murdered the civie

[mint falcon]

ur graphical settings might be reset, check up on them
i know mine were

[stone bay]

when time is of the essence, must save it

[final bolt]

same as they were yesterday

[stone bay]

mine defaulted to the highest, thats probably why

[mint falcon]

yeah same

[final bolt]

And i had it maxed anyways before this

[knotty crest]

The amount of times I’ve had civilians get clipped by the suspect AI is too damn high.

[mint falcon]

i think we should get a minigun in the commander mode, and it makes all suspects shit themselves.

[noble pasture]

my swat AI shot the civie to get to the suspect

[mint falcon]

what do you think @knotty crest

[stone bay]

seconded, Id like animated shitting self

[knotty crest]

Just send in a EOD bot with a brick of C-4 attached to the front like they did with that one shooter in Texas(?)

[mint falcon]

am i flores from rainbow six?

[stone bay]

HOLY SHIT

[humble knoll]

This is a fair take- I have found ways to manage that but open spaces are a problem

[stone bay]

a civilian tried to punch me and my swat guys blew him across the room 😭 I had my taser out ready

[mint falcon]

ouch
also, when a civ starts to attack swat, do they become a suspect?

[blissful harness]

I just got Brisa Cove S rank with the aid of the AI. Time for the Murica flag and German round glasses.

[mint falcon]

im curious[e]

[stone bay]

marked as civ, but a legal kill

like that one crazy piece of shit on valley of the dolls

[humble knoll]

I feel like a big part of that is that right now, SWAT AI tend to push too deep and also fight their own battles individually, so to speak

[blissful harness]

She's blonde, what'd you expect?

[knotty crest]

It’s a lot like a puzzle game in that regard, finding routes that work minimising risks.

[knotty crest]

That was an issue for me on port for sure, especially inside the warehouse with the dynamic clear command.

[humble knoll]

When it's a room or hallway, moving to points of domination makes sense, but in the main warehouse in Greased Palms or the exterior of Port Hokan, teams should be covering each other, moving more cautiously and reacting more to a member of the team taking fire, rather than clearing their sector first

[knotty crest]

They also just don’t seem to be aware of fatal funnels at times when clearing rooms, like they’ll cut across open thresholds and then get clipped.

[mint falcon]

does anyone else rely on search and secure after law and order is established?

[stone bay]

i love when they move their fat dumb heads across my gun barrel while im aiming at a person with a hostage

[knotty crest]

I use it sometimes yeah.

[mint falcon]

i mean it's helpful

[stone bay]

entirely. im not going back through the tunnels looking for a revolver somewhere

[humble knoll]

Of course that comes with its own trade-offs because people will then get pissed that SWAT don't robotically keep clearing their corners and break off from tasks to suppress or help their buddy

[mint falcon]

but i always get a poker face when they are going to cuff somebody, like i've missed somebody

[stone bay]

its always civilians hiding somehwere

[knotty crest]

It’s impossible to get right yeah, because with this amount of automation at this level of tactical depth, mistakes are going to happen, SWAT 4 had the same issue at times with the AI.

[stone bay]

or that the ai decided not to cuff while I literally walked over them in a narrow ass corridor

[mint falcon]

or when I FUCKING SPAMMED THE CUFF COMMAND 50 TIMES

[stone bay]

real

[humble knoll]

This is a problem- I wonder if there isn't some way to make AI account for uncleared space in adjacent rooms/areas?

[mint falcon]

or "secure area" like come on ai 😭

[humble knoll]

Maybe using the same sort of behaviors around automatically dropping lightsticks?

[knotty crest]

I don’t mind that, what gets me is them walking into open uncleared spaces to cuff a guy.

When you haven’t asked them to do so, like yeah it’s super nice that you don’t have to ask them to do it, but like sometimes it ends in total disaster.

[humble knoll]

Maybe player deployment of lightsticks could also be used in this regard so you can flag to them that spaces you might have cleared individually are not uncleared space anymore, although again that comes with its own issues

[mint falcon]

but at the end of the day, i really like how much you can do with the AI, i like commander mode

it's fun

[stone bay]

got shot at from behind a metal door, so i blew the entire thing off and ripped a head off 😃

[knotty crest]

I like it in concept, and will probably enjoy it when not committing myself to S rank where if anything goes wrong it’s a restart.

[mint falcon]

what do you guys think about spamming "F" just to hear where suspects are?

[humble knoll]

This was such a ballache when getting Medal Of Valor, because I made a ton of use of ordering suspects to crawl to me- I'd end up ordering my guys to stay back because they tended to break cover to cuff the suspect riiiight before they crawled fully into cover

[knotty crest]

I only discovered this existed the other day.

[mint falcon]

i honestly don't know what to do when they're crawling over, it's so awkward

[stone bay]

sorry what

THEY CAN DO THAT

[knotty crest]

Yeah lmao

[mint falcon]

yes

[frail pier]

They'll do fucking laps on your ass

[stone bay]

piss off that would have saved me so many failed runs

[noble pasture]

How do I stop swat from killing civies?

[knotty crest]

You can also tell them to run to the exit but it’s very buggy.

[humble knoll]

It can be useful, although alerting suspects is a dangerous game- honestly if you stay quiet and listen, footsteps and passive dialogue chirps will help a lot. I suspect a lot of people have problems with AI in part because AI get alerted and hold tight angles with guns up.

[stone bay]

🤞

[mint falcon]

yeah but when you're done with a floor but you don't think so, so you just yell police on the ground and you hear a last civ in a room
helps tbh

[stone bay]

dont give them the chance, if there's a hostage, or people stacked up on each other, tell them to get back

[mint falcon]

or use gas/stingers

[humble knoll]

I haven't had any issues with SWAT killing civies just out of the blue, even ones that punch me- that's a new one for me. Civvies more tend to die either when they're human shields that get executed or when they get between my team and an armed suspect that starts shooting. Also yeah, gas or stingers. Stuns will save your ass.

[noble pasture]

Was doing the beat cop challenge and a suspect was chilling with a civie. Then took them hostage

[mint falcon]

i've never had a civvie die tbh, i've had suspects die because officers switched from the pepper gun to their secondary, so i took any ammo to their pistols

[humble knoll]

I do like this and hope it gets refined because for something like Neon Tomb, Relapse or Elephant it makes a lot of sense

[noble pasture]

This is a stupid RoN logic, civies be holding hands with suspects, then suspects use them as human shield

[stone bay]

if there's a guy with a gun, you probably

[mint falcon]

stockholm syndrome

[stone bay]

fuck i just died

[mint falcon]

f

[stone bay]

i was in the tunnels too

[stone bay]

if there's a guy with a gun, you probably arent gonna be sprinting away or yelling their position

[mint falcon]

so i'm gonna post my post from reddit here but i want you guys to focus on the picture instead of the post itself, and try to answer the question from the title
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1ea22uz/guess_did_they_surrender_after_having_a_literal/

i'm honestly curious to what you guys think

[stone bay]

lol no

[mint falcon]

yeah they did not
they kept shooting and injured my squad, all 4 people

[sand grotto]

guys there is any info about next patch

[humble knoll]

Again, this is weird for me because I have found flashes and similar stuns tend to put guys down pretty fast

[stone bay]

they aimed a gun at you and got blown away, I was gonna say

[knotty crest]

Tbf that guy should not be standing in the funnel.

[stone bay]

how do I tell when I can and cant shoot a guy who is assaulting me with fists

[mint falcon]

you dont, you press B

[stone bay]

my team does it all the time

are you kidding me bot

[knotty crest]

Honestly I use C-2 now to clear targets in close proximity to doors rather than monkeying about with flashbangs.

[real gorge]

yezzir

[stone bay]

i loved the frag grenade mod for that type of issue

peek, frag, boom, done.

not very swat, but neither is the game

[knotty crest]

Why do you think it is not very SWAT?

[stone bay]

fuck off its literally a theme in your game 😭 @copper solar

3 main things, we have a single 5 man team clearing an entire hospital in one case, we're dealing with bad people rings which really should be an FBI issue at this point, and we got sent miles out of the city to deal with a border issue??

there are only 3? cases where we respond to an average joe swat incident,
the school, the nightclub, and the talent thing

[mossy agate]

even so, sending 5 men to deal with a terrorist attack is irresponsible to say the least

[stone bay]

how are there no other specialist units of any type on scene if we have the entire place on lockdown already

[humble knoll]

I don't get the not very SWAT criticism of the game honestly, a lot of it feels like people looking back at SWAT 4 with rose tinted glasses and/or expecting a 'realism' that would bluntly make the game trivially easy. In a realistic SWAT game you would have an 18 man stack entering from multiple points against suspects who more often than not would surrender.

[knotty crest]

Pretty sure the bad people rings are supposed to be in conjunction with federal agencies. The five person team thing I get entirely but it is also a video game.

[vivid crescent]

This is why SWAT 2/3 goated since you could have multiple elements.

It'd probably a pain to have the player control multiple squads at once though.

[stone bay]

im not saying its bad, just a point in conjunction with my frag grenade enjoyment

[stone bay]

multiplayer where each player has a stack

that would be fire'

[knotty crest]

And the way I can look at the night club and hospital is that the five man team is the first on scene.

[lunar oar]

why am i getting less performance after the update?

[vivid crescent]

SWAT 2 lets you deploy up to 20 officers per mission and SWAT 3 allows a second AI-controlled 5-man element. (and in 2 player co-op you could have each player be the element lead)

[knotty crest]

Since it is an active shooter situation, would they send just five guys? Probably not, but it’s still a very fun set of levels.

[vivid crescent]

That said, considering how this has the SWAT 4-like score system, it'd be a pain to have a second element.

Watch as they go die in some corner and tank your rating or kill someone when going for S-rank.

[humble knoll]

Like, look at SWAT 4. Anyone seen any evangelical militias attacking a stem cell research lab lately? What about an anti-globalist terrorist group attacking a building for being owned by the French? It does legitimately frustrate me sometimes when I see players arguing that the game should be up against suspects who do not tend to fight back, cannot reliably hit you, and should also have squad commands expanded to having platoon-sized elements on the map.

[vivid crescent]

I don't think All suspects should be reluctant but as it stands outside of weaponry and gear , all suspects feel identical

[stone bay]

im not criticising the game for it, I just mean to say it isnt a great swat simulator, because a great swat simulator should be boring asf

[vivid crescent]

Play Police Quest SWAT 1 then

[humble knoll]

If anything, RoN being set in a shitty alternate universe version of America is a logical consequence of what living in the kind of world SWAT 3 and 4 took place in would probably look like

[vivid crescent]

It is....a very special game.

Imagine if RON gave you a game over for trying to skip briefings lmao.

[knotty crest]

The SWAT 4 AI comparisons get me because I remember distinctly getting snap shot by crackheads with AKs in that game too.

[vivid crescent]

and was a linear FMV point and click.

[humble knoll]

I think this is fair, although it has felt a bit better tuned lately? Hard to say because it's just my impressions.

I definitely agree that more variation among different kinds of suspects is an area where the game could improve

[vivid crescent]

It's better in Commander mode due to perks but those aren't in SP/practice

[stone bay]

AI miss now and panic way more. I have had more prolonged gunfights because the AI miss panic and take cover.

yeah it has been improved

[vivid crescent]

Yeah AI doesn't aimbot but you can pretty much assume every guy is just going to go straight to gunning you down if not stunned.

[knotty crest]

Suppression actually does wonders too I’ve noticed.

[desert pike]

can someone explain why the new dlc vest doesnt have pouches

[sour fulcrum]

why did tthey take out the hotel map?

[stone bay]

if they dont have a gun out, they'll do that generic "im gonna shoot you in a sec" animtaion

[knotty crest]

I’ve had some pretty cool gunfights where I’ve acted as the flanking element while my teammates lay down a base of fire.

[knotty crest]

It’s a low profile vest, it had pouches to the side iirc.

[desert pike]

okay ty

[humble knoll]

And yeah, this. People treat SWAT 4 as if suspect and friendly AI were super geniuses rather than people who would softball stinger grenades right at their feet, get stack wiped by a gangbanger with a Tec-9 etc., or suspects who would randomly run into rooms and then flee back out again

[stone bay]

sins of the father or snipey one

[humble knoll]

I think he means the old hotel map with the bikers and the Senator's daughter

[stone bay]

i dont recall that one

[knotty crest]

That was probably the only map that I really liked that they redid.

[desert pike]

is the game only always crashing for me or is that normal

[knotty crest]

The old villa one sucked, the new one is far better.

[stone bay]

Only swat 4 map I remember is fairview. I wish Ready or Not had more maps like it.

[sour fulcrum]

sins of the father but old version

[humble knoll]

I never did get on board with that one honestly, it felt very... Flat. I do hope they revisit it in some form- the premise and the motel setting are good ideas.

[desert pike]

cause everytime i see max 2 enemys my game chrashes

[mossy agate]

Tbf SWAT4 is an old ass game, however I do agree that overlooking the problems of that game and then criticising RoN is pretty ridiculous.

[humble knoll]

I went from hating the hospital morgue to having two of my most memorable gunfights in there

Playing cat and mouse with two guys in the autopsy room

[sour fulcrum]

btw i've been getting an issue regarding lock picks in mindjot cause half the doors are locked and i can't lock pick them for some reason but AI can which is odd

[knotty crest]

I mean the issue is that SWAT 4 gets put on a pedestal in nearly every regard while compared to Ready or Not.

Which is quite unfair on Ready or Not.

[stone bay]

isnt it from 2005

[humble knoll]

There's a keycard in that staff breakroom- most of the doors don't have mechanical locks you can pick but rather electronic ones. The keycard opens them.

[sour fulcrum]

that makes sense but AI can lock pick them that's the problem

[knotty crest]

I love the hospital level so much, especially when you cross that walkway bridge into the next building and you have that amazing room that puts you in a cool cross fire.

So many flanking opportunities.

[copper cypress]

Now it only takes one shot to kill a suspect with a pistol bullet in the head?

[humble knoll]

The comment section of that Face Full Of Eyes video on SWAT 4 (a masterpiece, everyone should check it out) is basically full of people shitting on RoN for not perfectly replicating their nostalgic memories. I think it's particularly unfair when people try and argue that RoN doesn't do environmental storytelling or anything narratively when it has far more of an overarching plot and themes than SWAT 4 ever did.

[vivid crescent]

SWAT 4 does some things better but RON does some things better IMO.

Neither game is objectively better and same for SWAT 2 and 3, they all have their positive sides.

So yeah I am side "Yes RON has issues like removing the ability to play maps in different modes" but I also don't think it's some objectively worse thing.

[stone bay]

i am on track for an s rank twisted nerve rn

[vivid crescent]

SWAT 4 doesn't make you be careful with a beanbag shotgun to avoid the head.

SWAT 3 actually has bullet pen (not sure how indepth) as well as RON but SWAT 4 doesn't. (Outside of I think doors)

[sour fulcrum]

that shouldn't be happening right?

[vivid crescent]

NGL probably an oversight.

Remember in Fallout 4 how they had a cryo gun locked at the start but your dog could just fetch it through the cabinet

[humble knoll]

I gaslit myself into loving all the maps I formerly hated by having to S-rank them. Brisa Cove slaps, I even taught myself to love Greased Palms. Complex challenges where you have to stay on your toes. It's why Narcos is IMO one of the best levels in the game. Lots of running firefights- reminds me of that one take scene from True Detective.

[vivid crescent]

SWAT 2 and RON Commander both have you keep your Officers alive and active. (with SWAT 2 having suspensions and RON having stress.)

[humble knoll]

Yeah, that probably is an oversight. I'll email Void about it.

[mossy agate]

Sure, but Ready Or Not has the advantage of having been, and still being developed on modern hardware with modern programming tricks and so on. RoN also took far longer to develop when compared to SWAT4 and, afaik, also had a slightly larger development team. I do agree that SWAT4's flawed and is often put on a pedestal and looked at with rose tinted glasses but even so I feel like there's no excuse for RoN to repeat the same mistakes when so much time has passed since SWAT4's conception. I might be a little harsh... but I dunno.

[vivid crescent]

I know there is a "permadeath" setting in SWAT 4 Elite Force but you don't have different members with different skills, you're just permanetly down one of your only 4 officers in a decently lengthy campaign. (so I never bothered.)

[stone bay]

its almost 20 years, if RoN has any of the same issues as swat 4 then that isnt great

[sour fulcrum]

but test it yourself to see if it's not a me problem xD

[humble knoll]

I feel like it's more understandable because frankly, SWAT 4's issues are baked into its format, which people love, and SWAT 4 also codified the genre with no successors afterwards. It's a tall order to iterate on a game with such a towering legacy that is the benchmark for what people were still asking for RoN to be.

[stone bay]

ok guys where's the last meth addict hiding

[sour fulcrum]

closet

[vivid crescent]

Check behind every door and any anyone downed.

[sour fulcrum]

ask AI to check the whole place

[stone bay]

cant search and secure yet, havent found all suspects

[sour fulcrum]

check under the bed

[sturdy trellis]

Anyone found ways to improve perfomance to be not so harsh on the system? 😄

[sour fulcrum]

or go around the whole map asking for compliance and see if someone yells back

[sour fulcrum]

dx 12 and praying

[stone bay]

why is my dumbass fuckshit team leader saerching the entire place by himself

i said search room and he's gone to the tunnels

[sturdy trellis]

eh disgusting stuff

[stone bay]

low graphics

[sturdy trellis]

the FSR isn't actually working, dunno why the feature exists at all in game

[stone bay]

ok found the last one, I got shot in the fcae and almost died

[mossy agate]

play on dx12, set everything to low (including res scale) and pray twice to the rng Gods

[sturdy trellis]

but I feel like it's going to be same shit, because some of these options looks like were made just for the sake of making options window, lol.

[stone bay]

fuck i missed a soft objective

[sturdy trellis]

disabling FSR didn't neither increase gpu load, neither decrease. So what the fuck is this.

[desert pike]

can someone tell me how to play single player without iron mode

[covert meteor]

you get 45 fps instead of 42 yippee!

[stone bay]

practice?

[desert pike]

oh ok ty

[knotty crest]

Practise mode or turn iron mode off before starting a commander mode run.

[misty island]

Or turn off Ironman mode.

[stone bay]

its just the same levels. but with zero pressure or bad features

I lie its got some of both but its less

[noble pasture]

I need help for "Beat Cop"

I don't think I can clear rooms with just a pistol but swat AI is dummy stupid when it comes to civies and suspects in same room

[knotty crest]

What route are you taking?

I personally clear hard left and stick to that side and work my way around in a circle, centre is a death trap.

[noble pasture]

I did through center at first @knotty crest

Is it guaranteed to get civies and suspects in same room?

[knotty crest]

Yeah, I’d avoid centre and clear the left or right first, centre has a lot of windows over watching it that the enemy can spawn in.

[knotty crest]

I’ve found the narcos don’t typically spawn in the same building as civilians generally speaking.

[desert pike]

why cant you equip blaclavas in practice mode

[knotty crest]

It’s a multiplayer head option currently.

[amber dragon]

they can

[noble pasture]

My first run got ruined cause a civie and narco spawned in same room, got taken hostage and swat AI killed both

[desert pike]

even when i have the dlc

[sturdy trellis]

Have anyone tried to use FSR3 mod?

[desert pike]

?

[noble pasture]

@knotty crest what pistol to bring?

[lilac belfry]

isn't the 5.7 the meta?

[knotty crest]

I bring the Glock 19 for first responder larp but if you are wanting to be optimal your best bet is probably the Five Seven.

[noble pasture]

Had to engage a narco and had the sun in my eyes

Narco got 7 5.7 bullets

[knotty crest]

I mean they are wearing plate body armour so your pistol is going to do jack shit.

[vivid crescent]

hey if Paramedic kicks in an career run, does it void Hermit?

[noble pasture]

It was near the end, had 3 houses left to clear

[sturdy trellis]

So wait what's now, they released DLC? And they'll continue on working to add new missions or what?

[knotty crest]

Just don’t force engagements or get into prolonged gunfights.

You’ll lose with the dinky nine considering these tools are running MK18s.

[noble pasture]

Saw a narco run a Mk18 with drum mag

The one I downed solo, he got outgunned by a cop with a pistol

[knotty crest]

Yeah, I got into a long gunfight with that guy exchanging shots. It was very fun.

Dude was just peppering my position with rounds lol

[frail pier]

Narco suspects will sometimes attempt to wallbang through a whole ass house. I'm not talking walls but a HOUSE...

[knotty crest]

You know what, so would I if I was him tbh

[frail pier]

How am I supposed to wallbang back when between me and him is a whole ass house.

[waxen grove]

is the bullets landing though multiple walls?

[knotty crest]

I just don’t, I just retreat or find hard cover when they do that tbh, good way to kill civilians.

[frail pier]

I don't think so no. I've seen it twice so far when i was speeding through suspects. Stress system I guess causes them to gain xray wolverine powers :/

[waxen grove]

stress isnt new

[frail pier]

No but it's been tweaked. Never said was new :/

[waxen grove]

ah i made the mistake of thinkign it was new

[frail pier]

Nah I've noticed if you really drop a good number of enemies in short time they get way more agro.. more than last patch it feels.

Trying to get sub 1:20 on dorms is like pulling teeth out. One bleed and I'm forced to restart.

[knotty crest]

What 1 minute and 20 seconds?

[frail pier]

Any%

[knotty crest]

Damn bro good luck.

[frail pier]

It's possible but RNG. I got the route but crackheads move too much.... I got a 1:32 with major fuck ups lol.

While having max suspect count

[knotty crest]

Best time I got was like 4 minutes.

[fossil palm]

tips for clearing the massive dlc mansion with the ai?

[knotty crest]

Clear it top to bottom and bring plenty of C-2.

[fossil palm]

noticed the amount of locked doors

[frail pier]

B R E A C H

If you ever played that game ily

[knotty crest]

The spiral staircases in the main lobby area are death traps and should be avoided as long as possible.

[noble pasture]

Would silencers even help? @knotty crest

[knotty crest]

Use the wand frequently since the AI takes hostages a lot on that level.

[knotty crest]

I don’t think they make a huge difference.

You can use a shield, a friend of mine did it in multiplayer with me and he got the achievement.

[noble pasture]

Well devs forgot about barrel/silencer shadow on flashlights

[frail pier]

It's less stress per shot i thought? Idk about now though with the changes.

[fossil palm]

yeah got sawn from the top and got shot at.
ai has got a wand and plenty of flashes

[knotty crest]

CS gas might help if you aren’t good at snap headshots.

Since if they do take a human shield you’re going to need to deal with him in one way or another before he shoots the hostage.

[noble pasture]

Fun fact, Pepper ball guns are stupid good at dealing with human shields

Can shoot both civie and suspect with them and it puts both in coughing fit

[knotty crest]

For sure, I just don’t like using non lethal firearms because I need to exercise zero caution lol.

[noble pasture]

I once shot a suspect and civie with it and both crawled on the floor for air

@knotty crest idea, give Swat AI pepper ball guns to deal with narcos?

Won't kill a civie if it comes to it

[knotty crest]

Could work.

[noble pasture]

Suspects won't bolt immediately after getting pepper sprayed remotely

[fossil palm]

A+ for the first time with the ai #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

2 suspects went down

maybe beanbags to the head

[knotty crest]

They do bolt so aware of that.

If you want instant stun lock the beanbag gun might be a better option.

[royal ridge]

I love neon tomb because I get to execute qadmah with a boint blank buckshot

[rare estuary]

I accidentally cleared my data and scores can I get them back

[frail pier]

Backup in steam cloud?

[rare estuary]

How do I do that

Please explain

[frail pier]

Steam, ready or not, gear icon, cloud save data??

I'm not on my computer rn it's something like that though

[rare estuary]

Yes but I already cleared my data

[frail pier]

You cleared the saved cloud data through steam?

I get you deleted it but you went to steam and cleared it also?

[rare estuary]

No I clicked the startup option do delete mods and something else and it deleted some files

[frail pier]

Ok so try the backup from steam

[rare estuary]

It just tells me that the cloud stores information and I have 0/10 mb available

[frail pier]

Imma DM and try to walk you through but that does sound like nothings backed up

[quasi gate]

Does anyone else feel like we tank way too much now during firefights?

[royal ridge]

if u want lower health simply select no armor

[frail pier]

From before the update?

[quasi gate]

Yeah, I feel like AI can rarely kill me unless they get a headshot

[frail pier]

We're taking twice as much damage because armor is cooked so nah shouldn't be.

[quasi gate]

Okay I agree, I think I'm going to update my damage rebuff mod again so our armor isn't as much of a safeguard again

[royal ridge]

still waiting for gunfighter to do the dev work for void LMAO

[quasi gate]

Still testing AI behaviors and modifications right now

[frail pier]

MMMM said that damage calculations got changed a bit. We take more damage now than before the UE5 transition.

Kevlar catches rifle rounds while pistol does more damage to kevlar. What a time in RoN.

[quasi gate]

Well, I'm wondering if the issue is with Gunfighter because I have it installed and I feel like my armor is 250x more effective

[frail pier]

Idk maybe because my ass gets randomly fried.

I was tanking so much before the update.

[quasi gate]

Interesting, weird how I don't experience that

[frail pier]

Then again I only run frontal ceramic lol

But even then before the update same case lol.

[quasi gate]

Then again, I only used my damage rebuff mod before the update though lol

[frail pier]

Ahh might be why

[quasi gate]

I was hoping I could give the gunfighter author my file, but he respectfully turned me down, so damage rebuff won't be compatible with his AIO file he has out right now when I release my update soon

[frail pier]

I'm curious whatever fixes are coming to the patch today besides performance. What else am I not seeing that's broken...

[quasi gate]

Performance issues are expected. The update for me on a 4070Ti has been great. UE5.3 is not optimized in general for cards under 2060Ti or the AMD equivalent

It'll take a while to get backwards compatibility

[royal ridge]

I also have a 4070Ti and it works like a charm

[frail pier]

3070 screaming at this game losing half my fps lol. But this was the same episode back in ue4 before the hot fixes.

[royal ridge]

just sucks for older graphics cards I think

also wtf is wrong with the PDW recoil????

[quasi gate]

There's barely any optimization tools for UE5 compared to UE4

Gunfighter has different recoil patterns

[frail pier]

Wait what? Like actual patterns and not just vertical?

[quasi gate]

Yes, that is correct

[frail pier]

Learnable or random?

[quasi gate]

Like CS static

[frail pier]

I'd hate to fuck my muscle memory but that sounds fun

[knotty crest]

Which one?

[quasi gate]

He also has a different ammunition type

[frail pier]

Is it like nexis pvp damage or worse?

[waxen grove]

do we know how the stress system works?

[quasi gate]

Nexus PvP damage is meant for Base Player modification

I worked on that with Nexi2k

[quasi gate]

Yes, the lower means more relaxed and able to be more hostile, the higher means more unpredictable and potentially less hostile

[quasi gate]

Wait, are you referring to Stress system for Swat AI in the singleplayer campaign?

[waxen grove]

suspect ai

[quasi gate]

Gotcha, then I've provided the analysis above for you

[frail pier]

Wait increase stress makes them less hostile?

Why when half of them get dropped in quick succession they get way more agro?

Or is that morale.... I get confused with the whole morale thing.

[knotty crest]

Morale and stress system are two different things iirc.

I’ve found the more aggressive you are the more hostile the AI becomes.

[frail pier]

Yeah pretty much.

[knotty crest]

Which I’m pretty sure is tied to stress.

[frail pier]

But the morale and stress difference is kinda confusing?

Sounds like 2 mechanics that can conflict with one another in various situations.

[knotty crest]

I mean that’s probably the intent, higher stress makes the suspects more unpredictable and alert, and suspects with high morale aren’t going to surrender.

[frail pier]

So what is morale tied to besides surrender rate? Isn't tazer like 100% morale?

[knotty crest]

Mostly just the surrender rate from my understanding, while stress effects suspect reactions.

[waxen grove]

do suspects run away from grenades?

[knotty crest]

I’m not an expert though, I think low morale suspects can also like shoot themselves.

[frail pier]

Wish it was more common on dorms tbh. I've seen it happen only twice now.

[waxen grove]

it really does feel like the two mehanics do the same thing

[frail pier]

Well no the way he explained it was fine. I'm just always getting conflicting answers depending on who I ask lol.

[waxen grove]

I believe morale is the value you want to decresse to gain the arrest . . . i think. Im not expect

[knotty crest]

I mean I feel like they are two very different things.

One is just the suspects lack of hesitation, and the other is their willingness to surrender.

[fossil palm]

how is 5 minutes even possible

Complete all ‘Dorms’ main objectives in five minutes.

[woven needle]

just hop on multi

[viral bone]

Easy

[woven needle]

also talking about the acheievement i just crashed right as the mission ended in less tham 5 fucking bullshit

[frail pier]

It's possible you can do it solo with decent RNG. Hell it's quicker to incap civs and restrain than it is to restrain them normally.

[fossil palm]

ahh, so rng

[frail pier]

For completely solo without AI? Yes lol tf

[fossil palm]

have them hold outside

[frail pier]

No I did mine without bots whatsoever. You can do it with bots though.

[woven needle]

you can just order them to restrain civvies

if they wont do it automatically aswell as secure evidence and restrain bodies

[frail pier]

Hell world record run with AI is almost sub 4 minute.

[woven needle]

wdym hell

[tall harness]

Why is eeady or not making my gpu go to 95 degrees what rhe fuck

[woven needle]

unreal engine 5

[tall harness]

They really fucked something up this update

[woven needle]

unreal engine 5

[frail pier]

Patch drops today so relax

[frail pier]

?

[tall harness]

yeah I saw I hope it fixes it, the new maps are great just can't stand these frame drops

[woven needle]

like wdym hell world record

[frail pier]

I was just saying well hell the wr objective run is almost under 4 mins for dorms with AI

And that can still get more optimized

[hot juniper]

game is stuttering extremely

[fossil palm]

rng didnt not work

[frail pier]

Welcome to RoN

[fossil palm]

the 5 mins ended before i could get upstairs

[frail pier]

Are you splitting teams?

[fossil palm]

just myself

[frail pier]

Bruh...

You're asking for a hard ass run then lol. It took me hours to get that.

Mfer I thought you were on AI

You have to gamble honestly. You cant clear everything just solo

[fossil palm]

ok i will try upstaris then down?

[frail pier]

Clear the first bit before the stairwell on your right then take that. Don't go out the door going to second floor but take the left and snake your way through till you get to the back of the building. You can't clear ever single room solo. You have to gamble.

At least for me that was the case but I very much doubt you're gonna clear every room, complete all objectives under 5 mins

This is also with me shooting civs to incap and restrain faster.

[fossil palm]

would these achievements be able to be gotten with a 5 man multiplayer could they could all just split and get it done faster

[frail pier]

Yes

You're literally trying to do it the almost hardest way possible lol.

[fossil palm]

the ai is just dumb

[frail pier]

Facts

Rather play solo than be around them tbh. Even if they are good still more fun this way to me.

[fossil palm]

do you want me to screen share what im doing?

[frail pier]

For what

[fossil palm]

see if im doing it right?

or join in

[frail pier]

Give me 5 minutes to grab my earbuds.

I'm not on my computer

I'll DM

[forest kraken]

soo is the sa58 in .308 or not

[vivid crescent]

Ok so, Permadeath mode is broken

My power went out while in the police station loadout menu and now my permadeath save is gone.

I wasn't even on a mission.

[jolly verge]

You always will lose save if you get bsod or power went off

[vivid crescent]

That sucks

Also when you give a "use C2 and breach" command with a wait for exceute, I feel like your squad should already place C2 down

[native rune]

This would make sense but doesn’t take into account what would happen if you feel the need to cancel the queued command to do so

[winter urchin]

I have a question about keys in shops, how is it possible that people already have keys for the Ready or Not invasion? Like how do they obtain those keys?

the dlc just came like 3 days ago

[vivid crescent]

Is it not possible to remove placed C2?

[bitter mason]

you can but the ai cant

idk if removing it gives it back to them or just disposes of it tho

[stone bay]

C2?

[bitter mason]

door charge
C2

[vivid crescent]

do balacalvas protect suspects from CS Gas?

[idle iron]

chat which is better dm4 or mk18

[misty island]

No. There is only one map, were suspect might be protected from gas, but balaclavas do not.

[misty island]

Dm4, because .300

[idle iron]

i just noticed thats the ingame ammo type lmao
also how does it compare to other ammo tho? arent they all essentially the same aside from 9mm?

[misty island]

No, .300 JHP can penetrate L3. 5.56 can not.

[idle iron]

remind me what L3 is again?

[misty island]

7.62 just has more recoil, but .300 has less recoil and almost same performance.

[misty island]

armour

[idle iron]

thx

[misty island]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=10760490#gid=10760490

[frail pier]

7.62x39? Yes same performance. 7.62x51? No twice as better (depending on map)

[misty island]

Welp, kinda yes. It will take 1 less shot to hit, but recoil is worse than .300

[native rune]

Knowing void having the swat ai remove c2 charges would take another 8 months of deliberation to come out bugged

[frail pier]

The recoil isn't that bad... but I main the gun at this point. It's vertical recoil. If anyone plays rust they would say SA58 is easy af to control.

[misty island]

it is not bad, but worse than for ARN

[oak copper]

I like the gunplay, waiting for pvp

[misty island]

it will be a long wait

[frail pier]

The only time I would wanna take anything than the FAL is for Sins and relapse.

[oak copper]

look at the roadmap, 2 to go, only dlc 2 and patch 1.2 remains

[native rune]

Taking the roadmap seriously is hilarious at this point

[frail pier]

Look at the current track record instead LOL

[native rune]

They’ve literally said not to

[frail pier]

I don't forsee major development on pvp for like another 6 months to a year... and even then that might be a reach

[oak copper]

I mean, the major issue was porting the engine

[misty island]

We will see that today.

[native rune]

Something they were apparently working on for ages and still needed to bin the roadmap, delay the launch for last minute problems, and release with last minute problems 🤷‍♂️ it would be foolish to expect anything soon no matter what it is atp

[oak copper]

😦 the game was unplayable for me in 1.0, lag and stutters. now is fixed and I can finally enjoy it.

[frail pier]

Same for me but patches made it great. It's gonna be the same episode I think again this time.

[native rune]

Cool, the sooner you can enjoy it the sooner you can get in the pvp waiting line

[fallow warren]

After 8 hours, I managed to A+ Voll with non lethal. ( One of my guys died. )

I'll really need multiplayer to get back my hawaian shirt

[twin ginkgo]

why is hank in ready or not?

[frail pier]

Because there's propane in Los Suenos I would think?

[covert thicket]

i dont think you get the rewards if done in multiplayer you dont get the achievments atleast

[bitter mason]

im pretty sure nothing protects suspects from gas, even ones wearing gas masks are affected by it

[fallow warren]

You do get them, that's how I did it the first time

[bitter mason]

unless they fixed that this update

[vivid crescent]

I've had suspects be in the same room as CS gas in mission 1/2 on Ironman and seemingly not get effected so the AI blows them away

[covert thicket]

then nevermind sorry

[fallow warren]

Balaclavas have zero chemical warfare properties, so no. Gas away in the nightclub

[bitter mason]

grenades in general are super bugged
sometimes even flashbangs and stingers do nothing despite being right infront of someone

CS gas has a decent AOE but with how open the maps can be in this game you cant always rely on gas covering everything

[slate ingot]

Is it me or RON is kinda unstable?

[oak copper]

I hate the nightclub map

[bitter mason]

it has crashed a few times on multiplayer for me

[slate ingot]

I keep freezing at times

[covert thicket]

they switched engine yea the performance is a lot worse

[frail pier]

Best map wdym

[oak copper]

For me is waaay much better

[slate ingot]

ah i see, i thought it was just me

[vivid crescent]

Yeah but I'm talking the tiny part of 32 with the mom and 2 guys

[oak copper]

the default option is DX12 tho, perhaps go back to DX11 in the steam launch option

[slate ingot]

the default was DX11 for me

[covert thicket]

how?
i mean did they improve the game for new graphic cards?

[oak copper]

4070 here and b4 patch couldnt get +50frames in police station

[covert thicket]

did you have Dlss on?

[oak copper]

Now im running +150fps w/ frame generation

[covert thicket]

i got a 2070s i know not the newest card but:
i had 80 Frames (going up and down never below 60 even with OBS running) on epic settings with everything on maximum now i got 60 at most on low settings

[oak copper]

try to go back to DX11, the default launch option have change to DX12.

[covert thicket]

god dman that actually worked....
im back on epic with currently 75 at the beginning of the Gas Station mission

fuck i gotta say i feel so embaressed for not thinking about that myself 😭

[eager cargo]

is there a requirement to play the DLC with AI? I own it and I'm suspecting I have to finish all the original missions first?

[covert thicket]

nope its a separate tab and just tell your mates to wait

or switch to online only friends then you are alone

[true panther]

host a private multiplayer match if you want to play true solo

[cyan geyser]

can someone help me i cant get ammo in ready or not like i cant eqip it

[bright trellis]

What kind of ammo are you trying to get?

[cyan geyser]

both for primary and secondary

come US #8

so?

[covert thicket]

did you do a restart?

[cyan geyser]

why should i

[bright trellis]

That seems like a bug

[covert thicket]

bc a restart fixes 99% of bugs

[cyan geyser]

ill try restarting btw idk why i have a whole gtx 1650 with a i7 and its stutering

[bright trellis]

Theres legit no option for him to pick AP or JHP or anything all it says is "Primary Ammunition" and "Sidearm Ammuinition

[coarse musk]

is the update coming out later?

[bright trellis]

Im running Ready or Not on the "no mods safe mode" and Im not having any fps issue

[covert thicket]

the 1650 is 5 years old...

[cyan geyser]

i only use 4 mods

[covert thicket]

and was back then already a low end GPU

[cyan geyser]

ill restart my pc now il be back and give u feedback if it worked

[eager cargo]

Appreciated @true panther @covert thicket

[bright trellis]

You coudl also try switching your guns

[covert thicket]

of course love ya ill send you a bunny pic
edit i cant :/

[eager cargo]

damn

now you should be able to @covert thicket

[bright trellis]

Yo am I crazy or like, does AP pistol rounds just not do anything

[noble pasture]

How do I stupid proof my SWAT AI?

[bright trellis]

Mods

[covert thicket]

they basically only work against Enemys without armor
you can basically assess which type of armor the People are carrying based on how organiszed they are
junkys i don't think they got any at all
The gangs have light ones
the people like the cartel in the Tunnel map have medium and the people in the Night club etc have heavy ones

i think dont quote me on that but yea the heavy armor basically blocks everything a pistol shoots

[cyan geyser]

it still dosent work

[bright trellis]

Bro "Without armor"????????????? THEYRE ARMOR PEIRCING

The entire point of AP is to deal with enemies with armor

[crude prism]

bro is gonna get a rude awakening when he realises not all armor is Kevlar

[covert thicket]

ok sorry that was wrongly said
they work up to Medium armor but you need a few more rounds

[bright trellis]

Have you played Narco

[true panther]

9mm AP can only pen like 1 type of armor and IIRC most suspects are either unarmored or L3 armor

[crude prism]

yeah it's all medium and heavy plates

[bright trellis]

What about the 357

[covert thicket]

better but not fast enough

[bright trellis]

Takes 5 shots with AP, and 5 shots with JHP

[cyan geyser]

guys i still have no ammo

like wtf

[frail pier]

Just aim for head

[covert thicket]

fast shooting pistol like a glock and you are good to go normally

[frail pier]

It really wasn't that hard. I used USP because fanboy

[cyan geyser]

excuse me can i have some help i got no ammo

[covert thicket]

ok go into steam and check if all Data is correct
after that launch it with a clean wipe

[true panther]

.300 BLK JHP supremacy gang, deals with everything but L4 armor, low overpen risk and great limb damage

[covert thicket]

i get that ❤️
god i love that pistol i want one
i used the new Sig one

[cyan geyser]

so i check the ready or not fiels

[frail pier]

Pistol achievement but SA58 would strongly disagree.

[covert thicket]

right click on the game -> propertys -> installed data -> check files for errors (idk im germany i losely translate what it says in german but something along that lines)

[cyan geyser]

ill try

[covert thicket]

you still can give it to you mates and let them do everything

[frail pier]

Yes but you yourself can't use anything but a pistol. Like I already knew that.

[covert thicket]

yea just like the Harbor mission

[cyan geyser]

i tried theres no error

[covert thicket]

ok then Launch the game and choose safe mode if you used mods if you didn't choose clean save this will reset everything but it should definitely work

[cyan geyser]

alr

how do i go on safe mode

still dosent work can i get a dev or anyone to help me

[bitter mason]

Ok seriously friendly ai needs to not shoot hostages when they're being used as a shield fr its ridiculous

thankfully they only got injured not straight up killed

[rose wadi]

They also need to melee suspects who are stabbing them, instead of yelling at them to put their hands up

Rip buddy, sorry I had to reload ;-;

[bitter mason]

melee just needs a bit of a rework i think
kitchen knives cleaving through ceramic plates is a bit silly
would be nice for more melee varients too that each do different levels of damage

[covert thicket]

so not even reseting the whole game worked?

[uncut cliff]

Go to the game properties and there should be an option to start the game on safe mode

You can change which startup option (Direct12X, Normal, Safe, etc)

[gleaming fable]

Hope street? more like Grove street. lmao

[remote flare]

im so bad at using the swat ai

[rose wadi]

Home. At least it was before I fucked everythang up.

[novel walrus]

I posted a guide on how not to suck on Steam

[solemn elk]

There are many moments where they suck, not you. I've played with them so long now that I've memorized the specific thresholds and areas they have trouble wrapping their heads around

[tacit gull]

I'd personally just not bother, play singleplayer like you're playing solo and you're dragging turrets around

No point in telling them to clear rooms as they'll most likely fuck it up

[stone bay]

is there any visual difference between DX11 and DX12? Performance wise i see no difference

[astral warren]

What kind of hardware do you have?

[stone bay]

rtx3060 12 gb, i7-14700, 32 gb ram, m2 drive

[astral warren]

I think some GPUs benefit much more than others from DX12, DX12 should at the very least improve frame time, even if you aren't getting more.

[tacit gull]

DX12 has PSO caching and new GPU's should benefit from it more

If you really see no performance difference just stick to DX12

[astral warren]

Idk if this is the case for other people but with DX11, at least on the last release build, I would occasionally get a crash during a load screen.

I have with DX12, too, just much, much less frequently.

[tacit gull]

I think those happen regardless, kaminsky said on general disc that should be fixed next update

[astral warren]

Also can VOID explain very carefully why 12ga slugs have a 10,000% arterial bleed chance? Did 100% not suffice in play testing?

[tacit gull]

[astral warren]

I swear they just like to use silly numbers to make MMMM be like, "wtf lol".

[tacit gull]

punishment from the VOID

[frail pier]

If you play diablo it's like necromancer. You're kiting a bunch of idiots around that do damage

[astral warren]

I'm just glad they fixed all of those jhp rounds not doing extra limb damage.

[tacit gull]

Except the idiots might just run into rooms backwards to pick up a single gold coin off a corpse and get melted

[frail pier]

If only we can resummon our officers 🥲

[tacit gull]

order the suspects to become officers

[astral warren]

I'm sure the department prefers fresh ones, you can put them at starting pay and save some money that way.

[astral warren]

Deputizing felons 👍

[frail pier]

In the realm of RoN is slavery all that bad compared to the other shit? Wouldn't be a bad idea actually lol

[astral warren]

"is slavery all that bad..." jfc

[frail pier]

Sean Grayson moment too soon?

[tacit gull]

LSPD offering internships for sentence reduction

[astral warren]

lmao

[tacit gull]

No, you don't get employee benefits

[astral warren]

[ionic gale]

Heyo

[astral warren]

Does anyone here ever use submachine guns, and if so, which ones?

[lime pike]

If its a reproducible bug you should report it in #1050535723087958156

[tacit gull]

I do, i mostly use the MP5s

But i've used all of the submachine guns on and off

[lime pike]

MP7 is a beast 8)

[astral warren]

Pathing issues can be difficult to reproduce, and VOID is usually pretty good about touching up the AI navigation between updates, alongside the other changes.

I really want to use the 10mm MP5 but 10mm in RoN is actually garbage, it's worse than even .40 short and weak irl, just because they copied the stats from .45ACP, and then increased the recoil.

[lime pike]

If they have memorized the thresholds I would assume they can reproduce it no problem

[vocal night]

did they enable achievements for mp or is it just for dlc maps

[tacit gull]

The 10mm is probably the worst out of the 3

It actually just has the worst recoil out of any SMG i think

[vocal night]

mpx has crazy recoil too

[astral warren]

If your arms get hit, it turns into a paint shaker when you fire it, and even shift walking your sight picture wobbles around like your guy just finished off a four loko. If they just made 10mm fuck people up as good as it does irl, then it'd be a pretty good option tbh. The MPX recoil was fixed in this update, according to MMMM's spreadsheet.

[lime pike]

Like on 23Mbps for me they almost always get stuck when I send them for a move and clear into michaels room

[tacit gull]

Those should be working yeah

[vocal night]

thats nice to hear

[ionic gale]

10x25 needs to be given love

[tacit gull]

The MPX recoil was tweaked according to patchnotes but it's hard to geta proper comparison

[astral warren]

A lot of the guns that had really stinky recoil have been improved.

[ionic gale]

I 💗 the MP5/10 and it’s dogwater status is a travesty that I cannot forgive

[crystal sierra]

Uh, they said on twitter there is some kind of patch, but it's only a pic, no text / link?

[tacit gull]

All i can tell you about SMG's is: MP9 sucks
SPC-9 is great if you enjoy not having ammo
Flux Raider has 0 recoil
P90 deals like no damage but it has 50 rounds so LMB
UMP-9 is kinda worthless

[ionic gale]

I understand that submachine guns are almost not really that used by police forces and all they do is rock short barrel carbines but still what the hell man

The MP seven and the P90 are like probably one of the only SMG that people would willingly use and the rest are just pistol carbines are going to use for like one mission

[ionic gale]

I mean they are. It’s just like not in big enough numbers as a rifle nowadays I’m sure

[rare estuary]

The scores you get in multiplayer will show in practice mode as well?

[astral warren]

VOID should really add another 10mm gun (please be a sidearm please be a sidearm please be a sidearm), and then change 10mm's damage values to put it somewhere between .357 and .45ACP for performance. It will be a very powerful option, which will perform closer to the MP7 and P90 in a familiar platform, at the expense of considerably higher recoil than either of those aforementioned PDWs, as well as a typical magazine capacity, no 40 round sticks or 50 round... bullet... platter... dispenser thingies.

[tacit gull]

give us 2011 back

[ionic gale]

A Glock 40

[crystal sierra]

SMG is generally used isside closed spaces, so should be used in majority of maps in the game by IRL standards, rifles are too long and not that much mobile to be carried around inside buildings, you go burst / full auto and that's all.

[astral warren]

Huh?

[ionic gale]

Naw Glock 20

It’s a full-size pistol and it fires in 10mm, a Glock 40 is literally big as hell

[rare estuary]

The scores you get in multiplayer will show in practice mode as well?

[ionic gale]

I’m a nerd with Glocks so I know a lot of calibers and models

[wispy cypress]

aight new maps are kinda hard, when u playing ron again after months, shooting civs without realizing

[ionic gale]

I don’t know, I would have to suspect that it doesn’t, but maybe

[astral warren]

iirc glock 40s are just long slide/barrel glock 20s?

[ionic gale]

A Glock 20s just a regular full size Glock in 10mm

Think of it as the size of a regular Glock 17, but 10mm

[astral warren]

Yeah, but I think the G40 is the ~6in barrel version, as opposed to the normal ~4.5in barrel.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the Glock 40 slide is like big as hell

[astral warren]

MMMM You love 10mm, don't you?

[ionic gale]

yes it’s a kewl caliber

[astral warren]

No, the person named MMMM(O_O) typing, I know you like 10mm.

[crude prism]

likely that whoever put the bleed chance didn't know that it's on a 0.00-1.0 scale (with 1.0 being 100%) and just put "100.0" thinking it was "100%"

[ionic gale]

Glockz are like my second favorite handgun

I know a lot of models and what they are loaded

[astral warren]

I'm sure they'll never live that down at VOID.

[fallow warren]

Thanks, now I know what loadout I'm bringing on my lethal run of valley and elephant

[crude prism]

I'd like it if Void made it good

[ionic gale]

Me too

It’s basically just .45 ACP but the recoil is shit 😔

[astral warren]

I just have to ask why even add 10mm just to make it function like .45ACP? 10mm, at least the good loads that USE the extra space in the longer case, compared to .40 short and weak, will RUIN someone's day VERY quickly for being a handgun cartridge.

If the glowies made it, and their wrists couldn't handle it, and began underloading them, you know it packs a punch.

[ionic gale]

I think the implication of that caliber is kool and the MP5/10 a perfect weapon to introduce the cartridge into the game since you know, the FBI swat used them

[astral warren]

It is cool, but it just creates a confusing, useless weapon to frustrate new players who think that 10mm would actually perform differently from .45ACP.

Which is a reasonable thing to think, but VOID does unreasonable things, sometimes.

[ionic gale]

.40 S&W is also sad bc you have either people who absolutely hate it and other people who are kind of indifferent to it

[ionic gale]

If it gets hers updated, I would like to do a bunch of ballistic testing with that dude underground to see if a .45 is actually considered less weak than 10mm

[wispy cypress]

MP17
Good or Bad?

[astral warren]

It's fine but if I'm using .40S&W I'd rather just spend a little more money on ammo and have a 10mm. Hell, if I really wanted to, I'm pretty sure you can run .40S&W in a 10mm handgun.

[crude prism]

It's fine. Requires you to click a lot, which is weird for something in the SMG category. But it's pretty laser-y

[astral warren]

You can save yourself a lot of time right here, thanks to MMMM(O_O) : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=10760490#gid=10760490

[ionic gale]

I like the concept of the weapon and it seems very cool although I heard people saying that in the game it’s not that good

[stone bay]

can i see what am i missing for Medal of Valor? i got 12/18 but im missing 4 maps, most likely relapse too which is on S but didnt count to Decaying city but what is the 6th map?

[ionic gale]

Is this a document on a bunch of calibers & the ballistic information of this game

[astral warren]

It is all of the information about the game you could ever need, and then very much more.

[wispy cypress]

Yeah i like it too, takes a lot of bullets to take down the suspect, but meh, not a problem for me. Looks cool too ngl

[crude prism]

the most important stat: coolness

[wispy cypress]

Indeed

[astral warren]

I do like the goofy little carbine thingy, also the firerate is lmao, despite being semi auto

Time to bind fire to mwheelup and then unlock my mouse wheel.

Tactical bump firing 😎

[wispy cypress]

Need to get the Ready or Not feeling again ngl, i keep going slowly but not thinking, forgetting about mission tasks.

[ionic gale]

Oh my gosh yeah 10mm and .45 ACP are NO MORE DIFFERENT

That’s kind of weak bro. They need to readjust that to make 10mm a more punchy caliber

[crude prism]

It's everything from mechanics to detailed weapon stats/armor information.

It's basically just a summary of file browsing with a bit of personal opinion on top.

Recommended not to look at it unless you REALLY want to know, because it's metagaming RoNs purposefully obscured systems

[ionic gale]

Ohh

[vocal night]

man i had high hopes for the new rifle

[ionic gale]

Oh yeah, I see what you mean

[vocal night]

shame it doesnt have a muzzle brake

[ionic gale]

I mean, I get it as it’s a short barrel PDW rifle but meh, I’m guessing it only has a suppressor

[vocal night]

it would be great if it had a muzzle break

[nova gust]

it only has a suppressor

[vocal night]

short barreled 300. blackout is the dream but mcx it is

[ionic gale]

The 5.56 MCX is kool to me

SCO19 uses them, which is practically the swot equivalent in the United Kingdom…

Also, yes, I live in the US

[vocal night]

theres a 5.56 mcx?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, there’s a 300 blackout version LVAR

And the regular MCX in 556, the MCX is a family of weapons per se

SWOT?… omg

[vocal night]

i swear mcx used to be 300. blackout in game

[astral warren]

The new rifle is very, very good. It has some recoil, but .300blk is a very strong cartridge in this game. It has less recoil than 7.62x51 and 95% of the usable power. The MCX was changed from .300blk to 5.56x45.

[jolly verge]

they change it in this patch

[ionic gale]

Your wrong. It was changed in this update.

[vocal night]

arn 18 still 300. blackout tho right?

[ionic gale]

From .300 BLK to 5.56

[ionic gale]

Yeah, It should be still, that weapon has it switched caliber for a while in this game although I’m pretty sure it’s gonna stay as .300 blackout

[astral warren]

I kind of want them to add a KSG-12, simply to make a pump shotgun that is worth using. I mean, besides the cool integrated flash light, of course. You may need to manually cycle, the action, but you REALLY shouldn't need to reload.

[ionic gale]

I like the Supernova

[vocal night]

pump actions could shoot a lot faster seems like our guy isnt too concerned with cycling quickly

[ionic gale]

The KSG you could be another shotgun that has a holographic site… for some reason the supernova is the only shotgun that can have an EXPS3

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I understand that your officer is not vying for 1st place in a shooting competition, but these dudes like trains to cycle these weapons quickly or something?

[hasty needle]

i just opened a door and instantly died

[astral warren]

Did you hear a boom?

[ionic gale]

Trip wire?

[hasty needle]

yes😂

[ionic gale]

happens often around these parts

[vocal night]

well we all experience that at least once

[hasty needle]

amazing didnt know thats a thing

[ionic gale]

Yee

[astral warren]

Use the mirror gun, or peak the door, as that'll just put the line under tension without triggering the device, you can then snip it. If you're uncoordinated, and worried about bumping the door while trying to disarm it, ask one of your squadmates to take care of it.

[crimson aspen]

happens to the best of us

[hasty needle]

btw is the LVAR for primary and fiveseven for secondary a good loadout?

[crimson aspen]

i'd say so

[astral warren]

Highly effective against armoured opponents, for sure.

[ionic gale]

I would recommend using a mirror gun or if you know that the mission you’re playing on has tripwires peak the door look for traps and be careful to open it too much or else TEMs going to have to scrape bits of you off the wall

[vocal night]

lvar is a bit bouncy but its a good choice

[crimson aspen]

five seven got 20 shots of AP and the LVAR is just a decent primary

[vocal night]

at least it was before dlc got released i dont even know anymore

[umbral oar]

mcx slightly better but lvar is good

[crimson aspen]

I'd use the MCX personally instead but its up to you

[hasty needle]

alr ill use MCX then i didnt get to try all the guns so idk

[ionic gale]

I use whatever rifle I’m feeling that day

[astral warren]

The MCX is a solid choice, just know it's chambered in 5.56x45 and not .300blk anymore.

[hasty needle]

is that a good thing

[hasty needle]

am i supposed to use AP bullets😭😭

[umbral oar]

wait really

[leaden warren]

I would go for the HK416 honestly, great recoil and accuracy + the SRS sight on it is Godly

[vocal night]

basically ap is better against armor and jhp is better when you hit the limbs

[crimson aspen]

i never really used the HP rounds cause i dont wanna cycle between maps so i always use AP cause i find it works just the same

[astral warren]

Less recoil, and generally performs the same outside of edge cases with armour. I have not tried the new HK416, also I kind of wish we had the 416-C

[leaden warren]

• the 416 looks hella sexy

[hasty needle]

alr got it

[umbral oar]

i tried it a bit, it kicks a lot

[ionic gale]

It is my favorite purely because of style points

[leaden warren]

what attachements were you using?

[umbral oar]

sfmb and vert grip

[vocal night]

iron sights look a bit goofy

[ionic gale]

I like to LARP around like a Navy SEAL

[leaden warren]

Would trade my gf for a Black HK416 with SRS and Vertical grip

[ionic gale]

Yeah, you’re not wrong lol

[ionic gale]

I’ve been digging the look of the aftermarket HK416 as well as the regular black model recently

[leaden warren]

Im going for the Undercover fit look

[crimson aspen]

what weapons you rocking with it

[ionic gale]

Or as the HRT

[leaden warren]

Only germanic enginering, the 416 and Glock 19'

[crimson aspen]

my man

[hasty needle]

what optic do i use or is it just preference (with the mcx)

[ionic gale]

I don’t have supporter edition clothes, but I think the regular multicam in the game works just as well

[leaden warren]

Once a mod gets released me and my squad gonna rock the full fortnite drip, a medic, a tank, a fighter and a support/grenadier

[crimson aspen]

would you switch it up with the mp7 or nah

[ionic gale]

It’s mostly just preference, although most people use the EXPS3, the classic holographic

[hasty needle]

okok thanks

[ionic gale]

Of course there’s some better than others

[leaden warren]

Im more of a MP5A3 guy

[hasty needle]

if i die 1 more time on this mission ill kill someone😁

[ionic gale]

I actually use a lot of gear

[leaden warren]

Shield + Mp5 is goated vro

[crimson aspen]

dont use the very magnifided scopes, imo it's just not worth due to the close environments of the game

[ionic gale]

Some people just may rock with one thing and entirely that but I like to make and match with games like this and use the sandbox as much as I can

[leaden warren]

hope well get a mod for MP as secondary soon that works with shield

[crimson aspen]

i see, to each there own then

[ionic gale]

I ♥️ Heckler & Koch

[hasty needle]

i dont even use the scope lmao i like that other side position (idk the name of it) and i activatr lasrr

[vocal night]

that gives you much better awareness

[ionic gale]

Canted aiming?

[hasty needle]

yes

[leaden warren]

Heckler and Koch is my favorite weapon company, the 416 and 417 were top tier engineering, especially the 417 in Rainbow 6.

[ionic gale]

You and I aren’t so different

[hasty needle]

HAHA

[vocal night]

i think the laser is very slightly off set tho right?

[ionic gale]

I use Canted aiming a lot to the point that I don’t really run flashlights all that much anymore and I use laser sites

[leaden warren]

once we get a mod for a Glock 19 switch i will rock it so hard

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it’s not gonna be perfect but with some practice you can rock with the laser

[crimson aspen]

rock NVGS with the IR laser on a map like meth house and istg you'd feel like john wick or someone from bravo 6 when you use canted sights

[leaden warren]

Wont matter if a JHP hits you in the ballzzzz or face

[ionic gale]

Yee I have a few other other companies that I like, but H&K are my #1

[leaden warren]

Nah. Go for the NVG always available mod, choose ballistic goggles and rock the normal laser. goated combo

[crimson aspen]

mods are bugged tf out rn so i will when i can

[ionic gale]

imagine they actually had the ability to use NVGs in tandem with other stuff

[leaden warren]

Rheinmetall for the 30 mm MK 30-2/ABM?

[ionic gale]

Although I would get why that would kind of ruin the entire balance of choosing headgear or something

[leaden warren]

the NVG mod works fine for me, idk bout your mod choice tho so i wont complain

[hasty needle]

guys i just got blown up again i give up

[novel walrus]

You can use NVG with gas mask and other gear with Gunfighter mod

[crimson aspen]

really? are using it from mod.io or nexus

[leaden warren]

next patch maybe, ask void

[hasty needle]

these mf bots keep shooting the main guy that im supposed to arrest

[leaden warren]

Nexus 🔛 🔝 , i can nicely organize my mods with Nexus and actually know which ones i own, wanna see my mod folder?

[ionic gale]

I use the vortex extension to just make deploying and installing mods easier

[novel walrus]

Installing from mod.io doesnt work for most mods

[crimson aspen]

nah its alright, its just i tried installing some today after new patch and it keeps going about corupption, so i looked into it and it seems everyone has that issue untill modders update their mods

[leaden warren]

Yeah, you can only use updated mods, best look only in Updated and New today tabs

[ionic gale]

I don’t use Mod.io ;-: except for maybe a gore mod or maybe one of the maps there

[crimson aspen]

ahh yeah that'll make sense lmao i didnt even bother trying that cause i was looking at some older mods

[hasty needle]

me personally i dont even know how to grt mods😂

[crimson aspen]

it looks very complicated from the start but a yt video or two will help you out, but in a nutshell you go to nexusmods.com and go under the RoN section find a mod you'd like, manually download and use an extraction tool to extract the pak file and send that pak file into your RoN content folder where the other pak files are

[leaden warren]

older mods dont work on ue5 sadly. Im still waiting for yurionskyrim to update his black bortac armor mod

[leaden warren]

ill write u a list vro

[hasty needle]

sure but in dm😭

[hasty needle]

alrr ill watch vids

I FOUND A TRIP WHAT DO I DO

can i open the door?

i found another wth

[glass turtle]

You use the peek. Then look down. Use the multitool to cut the wire.

[ionic gale]

Very carefully open the door by peeking it and cut the wire

[hasty needle]

ohh okay worked thanks

[ionic gale]

I was playing Sullivan slope with some randoms and I decided that it was going to be my job to cut every wire

[leaden warren]

sent vro

[hasty needle]

i dont even know what im playing but its annoying

[ionic gale]

Press tab and you can check the mission details

[leaden warren]

DONT go to near to the door. Itll blow up, trust me. I speak from experience

[ionic gale]

The tripwire can also be from the outside as well

[leaden warren]

(23 times on Ides of March)

[hasty needle]

a lethal obsession

same map u were playing i think

[vocal night]

you can always get breaching shotgun and open doors from a distance

[glass turtle]

You have to go near it. Just not too close.

[ionic gale]

I know that some people just use a breach shotgun and get a few steps back

[leaden warren]

Yes. Second option would be to step far away and hit it with a shotgun

[ionic gale]

Yeah, Gerard and his boyfriend do set up traps in that house. There’s always some sort of trap in that level.

[leaden warren]

I just wanted to write that😔

[ionic gale]

Some people don’t want to use a breaching shotgun so they have to just take the risk ig

[hasty needle]

bro the bush guy im supposed to arrest my teammates the bots keep shooting him

[glass turtle]

Or C2 the door

[leaden warren]

Good idea actually yeah

[ionic gale]

Yeah, they’re kind of programmed to do that if they get shot at

[crimson aspen]

lmaooooo thats funny

[leaden warren]

you could also use a launcher (Sting or flash) to throw the door open

[ionic gale]

YOU just have to get to him first

[hasty needle]

wait let me tell you

[ionic gale]

I know you can make your teammates hold, and you could just get to him yourself although that’s obviously dangerous since his accomplices could get your booty cheeks

[glass turtle]

That one guy that brings the gas launcher to a mission where no one has masks.

[hasty needle]

earlier today i used the hold thing and did the whole mission alone, they came at the end and i was arresting the last guy, ONE OF THEM SHOTGUNNED ME AND I DIED.

[vocal night]

i do that

[leaden warren]

i cant relate none of my friends play ready or not because its "too hard" and some of their pcs doesnt even run it

[vocal night]

its not for everyone thats for sure

[glass turtle]

Random lobby

[hasty needle]

mine too be my friend😭

[ionic gale]

Yeah, maybe bring one team with you

[leaden warren]

social anxiety

[crimson aspen]

real shit

[ionic gale]

You can choose between gold element, which is all of your team, blue element, which is just one half of your team and the same thing with red with the other half

[glass turtle]

True

[fallow warren]

How is it social, barely anyone communicates

[crimson aspen]

the presence of other people is enough

[leaden warren]

I used to rawdog the missions in singleplayer with a no ai teammates mod because i didnt like the Ai being so op and having aimbot

[ionic gale]

I sadly can’t communicate because my busted mic

[glass turtle]

The guy who kicks anyone without a mic.

[glass turtle]

There is text chat

[ionic gale]

I use the text box tho

[leaden warren]

I literally got kicked from every lobby for not talking

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I know I was gonna say that next, some people just give up and just don’t fucking talk or use the chat box and those are not very cool dudes

[leaden warren]

i tried like 4 times and gave up on MP, i just stick to singleplayer rather

[ionic gale]

Also, I don’t know if many people know this, but I think you can even pull up the command element that you would usually have in single player and you could use it to give verbal commands

[leaden warren]

wait fr?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I think I used it like once or twice and it actually was useful

[leaden warren]

also offtopic but did you guys also notice that there are Map interactions by your teammates now and the Ai talks and screams way more when shot or arrested

[ionic gale]

I just use text box if I don’t use that

[muted root]

patch is out guys

[leaden warren]

for what?

[muted root]

hotfixes

[leaden warren]

not for me (CET, 21:05)

[crimson aspen]

sweet

[muted root]

restart steam

[leaden warren]

aight

[fallow warren]

EST, 1505. Ain't seeing nothing and I restarted steam

[leaden warren]

regional rolling out possibly

[muted root]

im literally downloading the patch as i write this

[ionic gale]

YIPEE

[leaden warren]

oh yeah patch is out for CET now, it just has like 2 minutes delay prob

[dawn tree]

It just takes time to roll out, got the patch here

[mint falcon]

okay, so:
"Patch 2 meanwhile will look to address the limited availability of the DLC 1 maps. Currently the DLC 1 Home Invasion maps are available in Multiplayer and Practice mode. Therefore, in Patch 2 will be bringing those same maps into Commander Mode.

For some background context on the situation with Commander Mode, we initially intended for the upcoming DLCs to be part of their own cohesive experience in a separate segment of Commander Mode. However, with the release of Home Invasion, our players have made it clear that this approach restricted the experience of Commander Mode in its current state."
SO IT'S POSSIBLE AND YOU'RE JUST FUCKING LAZY?! ONCE AGAIN?!

[crimson aspen]

is the patch live as of now?

[ionic gale]

I haven’t even played this new update yet so I hope that I can have a better experience than the rest of you guys who had to play before this patch

[leaden warren]

wait will this break my mods again bro? Not again...

[leaden warren]

YES COMMANDER MODE DLC HELL YEAH BRO

[vocal night]

what was wrong ?

[leaden warren]

THEY LISTENED TO US ACTUALLY??? HOLY SHIT

[mint falcon]

new engine so

[vocal night]

performance is pretty shit but i doubt they fixed that in a couple days

[umbral oar]

i wanna play old farm

[timber mesa]

yes

[crimson aspen]

sweet

[hasty needle]

i just got tripped again :)

[dark cove]

do mods work yet?

[ionic gale]

Oh, I just don’t have access to my computer

[mint falcon]

i aint got it yet
gotta wait right?

[bright marten]

is it possible to do dorms under 5 minutes? I've tried quite a few times and can't seem to get it

[crimson aspen]

use a breach charge and stand back to trigger the mine without casualities, MAYBE a breach shotgun too but idk if that triggers the mine

[mint falcon]

seems like its should, but you'd have to really rely on the ai cuffing everybody

[ionic gale]

Yes, some people just exclusively play command mode and don’t want to play practice and It kind of sucks for them

[vocal night]

you can just murder everybody cant you

[ionic gale]

That should

[mint falcon]

oh we're talking like this, then just get a kicker in your squad and do hotline miami

[leaden warren]

Yeah, its called gun and run. I would use the MPX or for submachine the MP5A3, a gas mask, Shield, gas grenades, taser and lockpick gun

[bright marten]

I've tried doing that a few times, the issue is they don't even clear the building properly, so about 3/4 of the map still has to be cleared by the time they stop

[vocal night]

i mean if the objective is to get the achievement who cares about the final score

[dawn tree]

Practice mode, don't give orders other than restrain, yell a lot to hear people, move on when you don't hear anyone, when you arrested 5 suspect and got the objective, kill the rest to save time, the rest is up to RNG; and having a fair knowledge of the map layout is a great help

[bright marten]

the map layout is horrendous, so that'll take a while

[crimson aspen]

fr

[bright marten]

I wish void made normal maps

[dawn tree]

It's not that bad imo, narcos is way worse

[vocal night]

i really liked the dorms map

[crimson aspen]

the mansion in the dlc is pretty normal

[ionic gale]

Some people don’t like big maps

[vocal night]

normally i just wedge everything and go forward you cant really do that on dorms

[ionic gale]

Although if every map was like small interiors than that’s not really cool

[bright marten]

that's one of the few maps that isn't super difficult to clear

[ionic gale]

There should be variety, but if a map is too big then like obviously that’s gonna be a problem

[crimson aspen]

narcos fucked me up, the map and the ai with their god like range and accuracy plus the end

[vocal night]

i dont mind if a map is big but it shouldnt be like greased palms

[leaden warren]

the most normal map in ready or not was 23 gigs a second 100%, fun map layout, multiple floors, intresting mission objectives and cool lore

[ancient cloud]

Man i haven't been able to get in a lobby which finished narcos

[bright marten]

I mean no, obviously not, but if you compare SWAT 4s map layout to RoN, it's pretty easy to say that SWAT 4 has better map design, everything makes sense compared to RoN

[fallow warren]

What surprised me was the armor. I expected gang members and packed jhp

[ancient cloud]

Did the dorms thing like under 5 minutes shit was so fun

[leaden warren]

all i want is my black bortac armor... is that too much to ask

[nova gust]

anyone know where i can find the voicelines for arresting suspects? I want to see if i wrote one of them down correctly, the one im using for my discord status

[crimson aspen]

i remember trying to get an A or A+ back when 1.0 released and man that was terrible

[vocal night]

i got an s but it was a very painful experience lemme tell you

[crimson aspen]

hats off too you cause i cant do that

[vocal night]

now its probably the map i have the least trouble on from the later missions because i played it for god knows how many times

thats where i stopped going for s too valley of the dolls still sits at b

[ionic gale]

Yes I see wut you mean

[sand topaz]

the real world has shit level design though

[crimson aspen]

i'd use gas mask and pack a bunchy of gasses plus beanbag shotty and taser cause thats how i remember getting mine

[ionic gale]

The only time I had fun on that damn map was when I had a Tac7000 I got thru mods, and I just pepper spraying everybody for shits and giggles

[vocal night]

its definitely doable i just lost motivation after greased palms

[ionic gale]

That was fun, and I actually completed the map that way through practice mode

[crimson aspen]

i never wanna go back to greased palms

[ionic gale]

You’re not wrong either

[leaden warren]

its in ready or not/content/VO/SwatJudge

[nova gust]

thank you!

[ionic gale]

The map is just too big for like four fucking dudes, with team coordination, in a multiplayer lobby it’s doable

[stone bay]

Fuck that map

[half elm]

Hi

[ionic gale]

Why do some of the the maps only deploy like five swat dudes while usually like maybe 10 is more viable

[azure kettle]

Mods still work after patch?

[ionic gale]

Sure, I understand you don’t want too many swat guys for gameplay & balance reasons, but still

[leaden warren]

Most likely not, as someone said in general

[crimson aspen]

ai would be to op, now you got an army of super soilders but either then that idk

[native rune]

What do you mean some? lol

[ionic gale]

Yeah, that’s like the number one reason why they can’t do it I’m sure

[leaden warren]

i didnt even play it and im already afraid from what ive heard😭 🙏

[sand topaz]

think of deploying wedges as getting a dude to stand and pull guard on the doors 😅