👮ron-discussion

[gleaming fable]

cant we all just be frens?

[quick lintel]

Well i know i can't but ill still call him an ignorant cornball piece of Igneous rock

[ionic gale]

I just like playing the silly swat game

[quick lintel]

Sadly some people just love to be destructive waves and some peope are soft rock 😥

[quick lintel]

Hydraulic action 🙁

[grand harbor]

So, is weapons and balaclavas only being available in multiplayer a bug?

[timid quest]

Only thing I said was atm RoN visually beats Zero Hour, however there's more gameplay features in Zero Hour than RoN.
(got both games uninstalled)

[quick lintel]

Ignorant cornball piece of Igneous rock

[ionic gale]

The weapons should be available to all mods, but the barcalava is tied to a character called echo

[quick lintel]

Yeah singleplayer is fist fight only

[ionic gale]

I can’t give a piece if that’s true or not since I literally never played zero hour

[quick lintel]

Waste 10 dollars

10 United State Dollars

[ionic gale]

freedom bucks

[quick lintel]

I could've bought a doner kebab AND chips with that dude

[rose wadi]

Weapons are in single player as well, just not Commander mode. They're in the normal/practice mode

[timid quest]

Well I said that's my opinion, not trying to project it on you, unlike this Jehovah's Witness over here....

[quick lintel]

Ill witness your Jehovah you silly bastard

[ionic gale]

Ah ik you aren’t trying to project on me

[woven eagle]

I lost all my unlocked clothes after updating the game, has anyone encountered this?

[quick lintel]

AND a pepsi

[ionic gale]

That’s weird ;-;

[quick lintel]

Just think about it... A doner kebab, chips and a pepsi

[woven eagle]

yep

[ionic gale]

Did you have any mods or anything like that that could’ve possibly conflicted with it or do you play vanilla?

[woven eagle]

My game was completely vanilla

[ionic gale]

Ah that’s weird then

[woven eagle]

You're right

[quick lintel]

Worst technical support convo ever 😭😭😭

[timid quest]

Did you choose the clean save data launch option??

[woven eagle]

yep

[timid quest]

There you go

You reset your game

[woven eagle]

nice 🙂

[ionic gale]

ik

[woven eagle]

I thought it removes all modifications and starts the game in free mode

[ionic gale]

I suck at the tech support, Xfinity would fire me

[timid quest]

No, that's the safe mode option

[sullen parcel]

new lawmaker mission lore says "terrorists" are holding an oil industry lobbyist hostage, these missions getting so real 😭

gonna have to make us able to play opfor with missions like that

[ionic gale]

SWAT 4 where you were facing up against farmers with assault rifles lul

[sullen parcel]

make me feel bad for killing em 😭

[ionic gale]

They got mad at the GMOs,

[timid quest]

Speaking of SWAT 4... #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[ionic gale]

Holding the street up doesn’t work anymore

[ionic gale]

I guess they resorted to domestic terrorism then

[ionic gale]

I have played SWAT 4 and there are some parts that make it better than RON, even though it’s a 2005 game

One thing I really like about SWAT 4 is the personalities of the officers

[timid quest]

Comparing a 2023 game to a 2005 game is already a big red flag...

[ionic gale]

I mean you’re not exactly wrong. Some people find it dumb to compare a 2005 game to a 2023 game

If we’re ignoring gameplay and just atmosphere and the aesthetics of it

[timid quest]

Problem is when that 2023 game is so lacking that you can compare it to a 2005 one..

[ionic gale]

Yeah, back then SWAT 4 was basically an already completed game with a expansion pack that you would get

Of course, ready or not is gonna feel lackluster because it’s currently a live service game

[elder void]

Is "invite players" greyed out for anyone else? I have to manually press shift/tab to open my friends list and invite from there

[ionic gale]

I played both these games and they both have their own lil moments, but they’re definitely not perfect

[proven blade]

just me or does multiplayer not work

[ionic gale]

For example, I like Reynolds, Jackson, Girard and Fields

I know that void try to put some personality into Eli, King, Prescott and Swan

[ionic gale]

But it just doesn’t hit the same as these 4 commenting about their environment and making jokes here and there

[proven blade]

PRESCOTT ESPECIALLY, HE EVEN GETS TO HAVE INTERACTABLE STUFF IN HQ
caps

[timid quest]

I feel like Void devs focused too much on making RoN's facade look good with pretty graphichs/sounds, that they forgot to create the actual game itself and lore, etc.

[hot juniper]

new soubdtrack is insane where can i found it

[ionic gale]

I think it’s on Spotify or maybe YouTube

[proven blade]

trust me, theres lore.

[hot juniper]

couldnt find the dlc soundtrack on yt

[hot juniper]

but its a mess

[timid quest]

"Live service game" hits different after rushed release before x-mas and 1 year + of nothingness 😭😭

[ionic gale]

Judge is like the only character that I’m interested in because he’s the only officer that has some sort of backstory towards him and he’ll probably be a set piece in this game’s lore

[timid quest]

There "is" lore, however it's all over the place and doesn't even make sense
maps were literally labeled wrong prior to 1.0 release...

[copper pine]

is anyone else's update taking a day plus?

[ionic gale]

Aside from the February hot fix yeah the game was kind of delayed with this DLC and stuff like that

[proven blade]

tell me how

[timid quest]

edited

[timid quest]

this... ^

[ionic gale]

SWAT 4 did not really have a overarching story and each mission in that game had its own self-contained plot

[hot juniper]

for example narcos should be the sequel of the dealership, the profress of the game is a little messed up

[ionic gale]

Again, it could’ve just been the limitations of 2005, but idk that’s one way it’s different from ready or not

[hot juniper]

but on another perspective when yoh solely focus on the story its amazing

[timid quest]

2005 was a different era of gaming.

[ionic gale]

Yes

Judges like the only SWAT character that was given some sort of backstory and has been shown to be possible and whatever story this game will take

[timid quest]

There was a guy on Youtube "exposing" VOID and RoN for actually being empty asf, I'll try find the video again and link it. TLDR; he said VOID only focused on shoking the player and not on actual lore, etc.

[hot juniper]

but it still has a solid lore for a game of this era

[ionic gale]

There’s a bunch of theories with the games environmental storytelling that Judgecould be a ||Ex USIA agent, or he could even be a sleeper agent for them||

[timid quest]

I'd disagree.

[ionic gale]

how so?

[timid quest]

For a 2023 game is extremely lacking and not just lore wise

[hot juniper]

its limited

[timid quest]

limited my goofy ahh

[ionic gale]

It’s like a skeleton

[royal nimbus]

does the game have holsters that fit pistol lights and optics yet

[umbral oar]

s rank is easier when i dont take it serious

[ionic gale]

Well, we could have so much much more like guts, blood, and other things a human body needs and in this case it’s a story

[hot juniper]

but they may change it, i think they updated some visuals in detectives office

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the story in this game is not really noticeable to me even though I know it’s there

I watch more videos and stuff like that but meh I don’t notice it in game

[pearl shuttle]

It's okay I didn't pay attention to story elements in SWAT 4 either

[timid quest]

First of all, the game itself doesn't make sense. You are playing as a 5 man SWAT team. However:

• you barely have "POLICE" or "SWAT" written on your kit, you look more like a PMC than SWAT
• you are thrown into missions that are by no way thought for a 5 man team

[ionic gale]

SWAT 4 didn’t really have a story imo

They were kind of like their own little self-contained adventures with some nods to other missions or stuff like that being present, I guess

[pearl shuttle]

Well I said story elements tbf

[timid quest]

If you have to resort to 3rd party services to understand the story, then the story is bad.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I would like more police insignia and some of the maps are definitely not enough for five dudes

[ionic gale]

What is your opinion on the games environmental storytelling?

[pearl shuttle]

Everything about the game is bad

[ionic gale]

since that is how you’re supposed to consume the story, I guess

[timid quest]

And the irony and audacity Void has, is to add exactly those clothes with "POLICE" on them, that the community has been asking for, into a paid DLC...

[timid quest]

Well, with no logic in mind, maps are good looking.

however they lack life in them

[ionic gale]

I think there was like maybe one or 2 base game vests that have a noticeable law enforcement lettering

[timid quest]

In-game, pre dlc, there is only 1 and is meh looking

[umbral oar]

can anyone pick up mags from the new weapons?

[ionic gale]

Emergency reloading with bullets still inside I’m guessing, right?

[umbral oar]

Yea

[ionic gale]

I haven’t played the new 1.1 update so I don’t know

[timid quest]

Like the College map having barely any ambiental sounds, not even an alarm, you ever watched a IRL body-cam video of a school shooting? Whole building beeps with alarms

[zealous siren]

do you have to be in commando to get stuff like the complete all maps rewards or can you be in practice/multiplayer

[timid quest]

It also works in Practice/MP, just don't use mods as they affect score and afaik the game will not count the score with mods loaded.

[zealous siren]

alright ty

[ionic gale]

The College map does feel somewhat lackluster

[timid quest]

.. and that's just 1 example

[ionic gale]

I know that Void wasn’t able to really do the mission that they wanted to since literally the entire media would have a field day with them

[timid quest]

Irrelevant.

[rose wadi]

That happened with Neon, and it being released on the Pulse anniversary

[ionic gale]

Ah

[novel walrus]

The what?

[ionic gale]

Neon Tomb

[rose wadi]

The night club map

[timid quest]

And that's what I've been saying, from a neutral and correct standpoint, weather we like it or not, VOID did a couple of big fuckups, regardless of indie studio or not,.

[vivid crescent]

Not really as the Expansion/SWAT 3 had an overarching story. (As well as the console spin-offs.)

SWAT 4 base game just didn't bother.

[novel walrus]

They lost their publisher because of the college map and it sucks 😦

[timid quest]

... but then fanboys be fanboying and got ping spammed lmfao.

[ionic gale]

Yeah Void isn’t a perfecto game dev team

[rose wadi]

Games are art and should be protected

[timid quest]

No one asking to be perfect, being just is enough. Now.. sadly, VOID showed great potential at the beginning, not that much now..

I really hope they go No Man's Sky's path and reedem themselves.

[novel walrus]

Why you care so much for a game you uninstalled? nothing better to do?

[timid quest]

because I paid 50$ for it

[novel walrus]

Sad life

[ionic gale]

uh

[timid quest]

How ironic, asking for basic rights is the problem, not the studio who fucked up... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[ionic gale]

I feel like he can give some sort of critique on the game

Can’t we all?

[timid quest]

not sad life if u work and pay taxes and treat urself every once in a while lol

[rose wadi]

I wish there was a way to tell who has the game installed vs uninstalled so we dont waste our time like this

[novel walrus]

So you spend your spare time bitching in here instead of playing something? ok

[timid quest]

I'm not "bitching", I'm quite stating the obvious

[ionic gale]

I like this game and I will continue be playing but there are some parts of the game I don’t like

[timid quest]

but fanboys be fanboying 'till the ends of earth and obviously super bored

[sharp grove]

Do the bombs on Elephant actually go off and how many shooters are on the map?

[ionic gale]

You shouldn’t complain about a game too much but you also should not also be defending it to the grave as well

There needs to be balance and stuffs

[novel walrus]

I mean I been running missions this whole time.

[ruby heron]

is the new dlc a scam

[novel walrus]

Yes just play for free in multiplayer you get all the guns and can play maps for free

[timid quest]

only if the host has the dlc u can play the maps..

[novel walrus]

I've been playing new maps this whole time

Aint no one playing the old ones bro, we've already played those for years.

[timid quest]

my point is still right though...?
literally stated by devs

[delicate crater]

Did anyone experience severe frame drops since the new update?
I used to play at a solid 80fps, but now it's fluctuating between 60 to 10 when i open doors

[sharp grove]

No. I mean you get the three maps, you can host them in multi or play them in practice. Nothing is a scam in the sense that you get what you paid for. Though I know some peoples opinions of the maps do differ.

[ruby heron]

i love scams

[hasty venture]

college map is really pissing me tf off rn im on like the 5th attempt and every single time the last suspect executes a civ which knocks my score from a+ to e

[ionic gale]

Also a little bit of a sidenote, but I feel like that when the second DLC comes out, some Support edition players are going to be upset

Some I feel like that it may be confused that supporter edition players get all of the future DLC for free even though it was stated that only DLC 1 was going to be free for them

If I predict the future well then like that’s cool

[ruby heron]

are you trying to rank s?

[hasty venture]

no im not because i dont care about s rn im just trying to get a decent score

and i literally cant because the last suspect kills a civ before i can find him

[sharp grove]

I've heard the best thing to do is go thru the exit door and just rush like heck to get the four shooters out of the way. And apperntly the timer for civ getting shot is 2 minutes but not entirely sure.

[hasty venture]

nah they're actively ducking

[sharp grove]

Also, since ur doing the map rn, may I ask if yk if the bombs are actually timed or not?

[hasty venture]

they are timed because the first time i did perma death or whatever its called i lost my run because i couldn't find the 2nd bomb and it blew up after like 10 min running around

[sharp grove]

Ah alright. Guess I gotta play it fast. Elephant doors don't have traps ye?

[hasty venture]

theres like 3 maps in the game with traps

[timid quest]

I fee like Void took a wrong turn with their DLCs, missions should be available for everyone, only cosmetics should be part of a pay wall, however it is good that if the host has the dlc you can also play the maps for free. But IMO still too early for a DLC, literally first update we get after release is a "dlc"

[sharp grove]

Ye, I just forgot it Elephant has them or not :'D

[ionic gale]

Hmm

[fiery narwhal]

got

[ionic gale]

I heard people saying that DLC should not be in the game which at that point it’s not considered DLC. It’s literally just a “regular update”

[timid quest]

College map doesn't have any traps

[timid quest]

Well seeing this "DLC", you can't name this a proper dlc, it's just a regular update.

[fiery narwhal]

I opened a door and got killed, there is no teammate or enemy around me, and I heard a loud bang sound before I die

[timid quest]

It is literally my favorite map, it does not have door traps. It has 2 bombs that you forgot to defuse.

[fiery narwhal]

what the sigma

[hasty venture]

its only lethal obsession, ides of march, and sins of the father that have traps btw

[novel walrus]

He's special

[ionic gale]

Also Rust Belt

[hasty venture]

also im like 90% sure the traps on sins of the father are exclusively flashbangs

[timid quest]

no?

[hasty venture]

never seen them on rust belt

[ionic gale]

There could be flash bang traps in the tunnels, and I know that there is a grenade trap in the house as you enter in

[timid quest]

never saw it

[ionic gale]

Just me then?

Idk my game could be weird,

“Every copy of super Mario 64 is personalized” type shit

[timid quest]

did you actually disarm a trap or you opened a door, died and asumed it was a trap

[ionic gale]

I opened the when I started to enter the main house door and it just blew up

[novel walrus]

So you just assumed

[ionic gale]

I don’t know what else could’ve been

[timid quest]

You probably got 360 wallbanged 1 shot by john wick ai

[ionic gale]

Yeah, maybe, it happened a long time ago so I don’t really remember

[sharp grove]

Ah right right. Thx

[novel walrus]

Mandela Effect

[ionic gale]

“Every copy of Ready or Not is personalized”

X-Files theme starts playing

[timid quest]

afaik Only maps to have traps are: Veterans one and naked guy in chicken wire ghillie suit one
might be missing one, the hotel has a flashbang trap, i think

[silk sail]

morale for officers is now very fair, they don't get depressed after downing a dozen suspects after a mission

[errant cloak]

So I have the supporter edition but when I go to the mission select screen it doesn’t let me go to select the home invasion missions

[shy tulip]

It is not playable on commander

[novel walrus]

Only works in practice and multiplayer

[errant cloak]

Ahhhhhhh

[shy tulip]

I wish we had an automod bot that picked up key phrases and spammed it

[novel walrus]

People usually dont pay attention to that either.

Can probably just pinn it

[shy tulip]

I'm running out of pin space

my hands are fucking freezing

[novel walrus]

Then void can at least post it in announcements if they don't plan on adding it

[errant cloak]

Alright yeah that works lol, thank you

[pearl shuttle]

Where baklava

[novel walrus]

In the dessert aisle

[fiery narwhal]

is anyone having crazy stuttering in elephant

[ionic gale]

Turkish humor

[novel walrus]

He asked, I delivered.

[rose bison]

i would have alot more fun if the swat AI would actually try and make suspects surrender instead of just mag dumping them

like holy shit hes just a drug addict you dont have to send half your mag into him

[tardy scaffold]

what’s the supporter edition?

[ornate plume]

meat gods....

[tardy scaffold]

i don’t understand

[novel walrus]

It's a God of Meat

[rose bison]

supporter edition basically was cosmetics if you supported the devs and also a few guns i think

[tardy scaffold]

how do you support the devs? donations?

[novel walrus]

By buying the new dlc

[prime wing]

they do not take donations

[rose bison]

it was a dlc you could buy i think

[tardy scaffold]

oh i see thanks

[sly orchid]

Is it just me, or when you equip the ir laser on your flux raider you can equip two attachments, but it never swaps over to the other one?

Like I'm trying to equip a flashlight and it wont work

[silk junco]

a dlc from pre 1.0 that supported the devs, it was 80usd

[fiery narwhal]

I left my game there after it freezes, I want to see what is going to happen

[smoky imp]

DLC is actually the content equivalent of a roblox gamepass, same price too

[twin citrus]

roblox gamepasses arent usually 10 bucks

[sick pine]

depends

but yeah idk abt 10 bucks for 3 maps and a few other cosmetics

im not going to complain though since its 5 bucks for me

[ionic gale]

Helo

[hasty venture]

the 509 does no damage i just shot some mexican like 14 times and it took a shotgun blast to actually kill him

[fiery narwhal]

does steam launch options work for ron, cuz I am aware that it doesnt work for some games

[twin citrus]

they work for me

[smoky imp]

10 dollars = 800 robux, average gamepass price range

[analog flare]

its the content equivalent of a cosmetics pack

in other games lol with the price/battlepass

[smoky imp]

10 dollars for a baseball cap and a pack of gum

[twin citrus]

average gamepass price range is probably not 800

[analog flare]

pretty much

[proven blade]

Just a baseball cap

[twin citrus]

10 dollars to force your enemies to chew 5 gum

[proven blade]

Maybe half a baseball cap

[smoky imp]

baseball cap with no brim and decent gum

[proven blade]

Baseball cap made out of plastic no brim and no vent with gum

[analog flare]

The new weapons dont even warrant anything snazzy. Its all 9mm/caliber equivalent besides the new AR which is .300 BO. Even just a new Vector or a auto shotgun would have been nice

[proven blade]

(Plastic bowl)

[proven blade]

Just get gunfighter for Saiga

[ionic gale]

Honestly, I don’t know how many more weapons they can add into this game

[smoky imp]

they're not even reliable options, which kinda goes against the point of adding new content, oh hey new weapon, wait the original weapon is still better

[ionic gale]

I mean, there’s suspect weapons but that’s just dumb fun and I don’t know if there’s many much weapons that you could make a US war team use that hasn’t already been in this game

[smoky imp]

i will never touch this again, 3 of 10 dollars gone into the dumps

[ionic gale]

Imagine they added all of the suspect weapons that are actually finished for us players

[analog flare]

They are pretty reliable for the new maps considering those are CQB. The new guns have super short barrels

[ionic gale]

The 509 should be considered the highest 9 mm handgun

[smoky imp]

true..

[ionic gale]

I’m a person who uses 9 mm handguns and 17 rounds is a lot ig

Not it’s necessarily as a primary, but as a good back up

[hasty venture]

except for the fact that it does no damage

[analog flare]

They can add a whole load of cool and funky weapons like I said the Vector, All they have to do is just look at Nexus and find the most downloaded Weapon mod lol

[smoky imp]

getting trough the maps takes you about the same amount of time as eating a burger

[gritty sluice]

so about 30 seconds?

[analog flare]

Thats the problem, they made a pistol a primary by sticking a stock on it and calling it a day. 17 rounds of 9mm is good irl. In game? Nah when the suspect can take 1 clip and still keep blasting you (Suppression is non-existent), I keep firing, the suspect can still laydown as much suppressive fire as I can its BS

[ionic gale]

I understand that there are pistol PDW conversion kits out there , and I found the flux to be interesting but in terms of gameplay it looks like that’s not that good

[smoky imp]

pretty much

[sharp grove]

How many score points is it per suspect killed and suspect not killed?

[smoky imp]

if you count fries and a soda maybe a minute and 30

[analog flare]

Its not. I tried it on several maps. Any suspect with body armor is gonna soak it up. And it just feels like a weapon police officers would never use in any situation.

I would have like the ability to use Full auto or Burst on it though

[ionic gale]

At least not swat officers would use it. I’m pretty sure that a regular police officer could use it somehow.

[gritty sluice]

can the enemies see around the corners when you use alt now? it didnt seem like they used to

[smoky imp]

this is our department issued service weapon for shooting the dog that was barking 50m away from you in the opposite direction

[analog flare]

Regular Police Officers dont need it considering they carry Patrol Rifles. Some even MP7s, I dont see the practical use for it

[gritty sluice]

ATF MEMBER SPOTTED

[ionic gale]

I feel bad for 9 mm

[analog flare]

Any bullet is deadly. Unless your playing Ready or Not lol.

They gotta play Insurgency if they wanna see real ragdoll. I'd pay for a dlc that adds better suspect dying. Hell Bodycam is a good example too!

[ionic gale]

I used every weapon in this game and I like to mix a match and obviously there’s gonna be better shit than others

[analog flare]

The best one for any map is the LVAR with JHP .300 BO. It 1 hits every suspect type

[smoky imp]

ready or not is obviously a fantasy game, because these suspects take 3 shots of 5.56 to the chest and shoot back as if the bullets just whiffed past them

but no I cannot go for kill shots I will lose my tasty points...

[ionic gale]

The ballistics need to be tweaked

[gritty sluice]

the whole game does

[analog flare]

Of course we "Bring Order to Chaos" so we cant kill terrorists lol

[gritty sluice]

nah those we do kill

[ionic gale]

Like I understand that you’re supposed to play this game nonlethal but the gunplay fucking good dude

[smoky imp]

like 80% of the missions have the same ROE which is kinda dumb

[sharp grove]

Was so close to S ranking Rust Belt/Coyote. Accidently hit a guy in the head with a bean bag.. 30 score off

[analog flare]

cant let terrorists have widows and orphans

[gritty sluice]

L bozos

[ionic gale]

Especially the school and neon tomb map

[analog flare]

Gunplay is meh

[ionic gale]

These are suspects that have clearly shown they will hurt people so no… they’re going to die

[analog flare]

Gunplay is 90% you getting sprayed by suspects

[smoky imp]

the apartments too, with the M249 guy

[ionic gale]

I mean it feels oky

[analog flare]

its okay. I too had rose tinted glasses

[gritty sluice]

why haven't they allowed us to use the gun the suspects use?

[analog flare]

Why would you want shitty guns drug dealers use?

[ionic gale]

I’m guessing because of “realism” or the weapons being unfinished

[smoky imp]

get sprayed, intense music, shoot back, despite non lethal efforts you die anyway, start over

[gritty sluice]

becausse funny

I want to shoot terrorist with a sawed off

[hasty venture]

i love having to alt f4 because some immigrant one handing a 1911 can one shot me at 40 meters in a pitch black cave

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I don’t get why the ROE is strict with maps with active shooters, obviously showing to kill people

[analog flare]

90% of the gameplay revolves around that. 10% involves you looking for all the shitty evidence and guns that clipped through the floor

[ionic gale]

Every person with a gun that is not law-enforcement will be put down

[analog flare]

"we dont make widows or orphans" If I can string that Doc in the back and show him what the terrorists have done I'd shove his face on the pile of bodies in Neon Tomb and Hospital and tell him "they sure fucking do"

[smoky imp]

the poor home owner who called the cops because his house was being robbed gets shot between the eyes because he defended himself

[buoyant fern]

This game would be so much better as a SF hit team game. Maybe some new dlc for that?

[smoky imp]

(he had a gun he was adking for it)

[gritty sluice]

adking

[analog flare]

this shouldnt be a SWAT game it should be a SOCOM game. It fits the gunplay better

[smoky imp]

ready or not is the peak larping game disguised as a strategic police simulator because they dont like money

[errant cloak]

Honestly realistically cops wouldn’t need to give compliance orders in the case of like neon tomb

[smoky imp]

they dont like money because they know damn well if they made the prices any higher there would be pitchforks and torches because of the lack of updates

[ionic gale]

Yeah, in those situations ROE kind of gets thrown out the window for suspects as they’ve clearly shown that they will kill anybody that gets in their way

[analog flare]

Its not even a police simulator. I thought we would get random calls and then play random generated maps and not a linear campaign lol. I thought that was the point of the campaign, and we would not pick and choose our Police officers during special events since they premised that some officers would show up in civvy clothing, instead they were just cosmetics lol

[blissful grotto]

Ready for no content disappoints again

[ionic gale]

5.56x45mm is the only option

[analog flare]

.300 BO is goat

[stone bay]

three-oh-hate says lol

[smoky imp]

they had one year, gave us a pencil and a sheet of paper and told us to have fun

[ionic gale]

I like .300 BLK too dw

[errant cloak]

I mean that’s how SWAT 4 was

[analog flare]

not just that they also ripped the piece of paper up because the story went awol when their writer quit mid development

[analog flare]

its what SWAT 4 was. but RoN wasnt supposed to be SWAT 4, they made sure of that lol.

[smoky imp]

genuinely what the fuck is mindjolt even about

[stone bay]

a shame the dlc didnt have any normal homes to clear

[frail pier]

SA58 or bust

[errant cloak]

CP ring

[analog flare]

its conencted to the PDF guy, he stored a lot of CP in Mindjolt storage

[stone bay]

With a muzzle break. Because fuck that perp, fuck any armor he may be wearing, and double fuck his hearing.

[blissful grotto]

Ready for no content disappoints again

[errant cloak]

I think they explain this in the mission description, the info you get from mindjot leads you to voll

[analog flare]

yup

[smoky imp]

home invasion DLC = not a single suburban home in sight

[analog flare]

the environmental story telling is amazing. The only saving grace

[blissful grotto]

Is bad*

[frail pier]

Pretty much. The only time I'll say another rifle is superior is when you're on sins or relapse... but even then FAL or I'm GONE

[smoky imp]

is the hotel condom hole still in the game, I remember that dearly

[analog flare]

what do you mean? SWAT only answers to Mansions and dense pop buildings

[errant cloak]

I never use the fal, recoil is too much for me

[stone bay]

I have an M1A national match in my gunsafe....id totally rock a 16-18" M1A in game for the 'Murica factor

[frail pier]

Just pull down

[errant cloak]

I exclusively rock the M4 or HK16

[analog flare]

its also overkill lol

[stone bay]

Aim for the beltline, hold the mouse for 3-4 shots of full auto

[frail pier]

It's overkill to shoot a suspect once for most maps than it is just twice? Good to know that makes sense.

[smoky imp]

swat would definetely respond to an active shooter of sorts in a suburban neighborhood, imagine a map where its like 6 homes, most of them civies, and you have to carefully find out which one the shooters holed up in

[stone bay]

You shoot that motherfucker until you're confident he cant get back up.

[errant cloak]

More low key maps could be good but they would get stale after like 2-3 replays

[stone bay]

Perfect for like a 4 on 4 PVP mode though

[smoky imp]

i'm actually the most recent hire for the ready or not team, im removing suspects and replacing them with violent squirrels

[analog flare]

the joke passed your head

[frail pier]

Wouldn't notice a difference on dorms

[smoky imp]

thats my sign to go to sleep goodbye RON chat

[errant cloak]

I just want more cult stuff, I love cult shit

[analog flare]

could have expanded that story lol

but nah its just a dead end. Same with the Deranged CIA dude

[errant cloak]

Did they say they don’t intend on expanding it?

[analog flare]

Idk tbh. They made Home Invasion

[smoky imp]

i mean no but they might, give them a couple years they'll give us one map and another pistol

[errant cloak]

Gerard’s stuff seems to clearly pointed twords all the MLO shit but they aren’t in the game anymore after 1.0

[analog flare]

which is not connected to the main story considering we cant play campaign

[analog flare]

yeah the original writer quit

[errant cloak]

That’s sad, I liked the MLO mystery stuff.

[stone bay]

cultists and pedos deserve nothing smaller than .308

[analog flare]

the cult of women was supposed to be MLO if I remember. But since the writer quit, the cult of women replaced them. They even had artwork for the MLO for that map if I remember

[frail pier]

Nope

[errant cloak]

MLO is who originally occupied the map

[analog flare]

.50 BMG to the nuts

[analog flare]

yes the burlap sack lads

[errant cloak]

Pre 1.0 the suspects had MLO models because the map wasn’t finished

[ionic gale]

Man, I feel somewhat bad for shooting all of the suspect cultists since the women there are victims of some sort of abuse

[stone bay]

So im guessing that the LPVO optics still dont zoom with any of these new updates....

[frail pier]

When guns sound better though? FAL loud and proud while all other guns sound limp dick.

[analog flare]

the hammer of justice is unisex!

[errant cloak]

I got off season 1 true detective binge before getting into RON and something about cops dealing with massive systematic corruption and cults just interests me a lot

[ionic gale]

Yeah, still you can’t kill one of my fellow officers

[stone bay]

hell yeah brother

[analog flare]

just add a supressor and everything sounds like a limp squeaking dick

[errant cloak]

I hope they expand on it if they get a new writer

[analog flare]

well before you arrive they already killed atleast 2

[frail pier]

I'd rather shit in my hands and clap

[stone bay]

FAL with a muzzle break or go take a desk job back at the precinct, rookie

[frail pier]

Pocket sandman with a FAL sounds nasty

[fiery narwhal]

does anyone also have their game crashing or freezing

[frail pier]

If I'm not getting tenitus I don't want it.

[frail pier]

Recent install?

[fringe vault]

like how so, does it display a error message or?

[fiery narwhal]

yes

[frail pier]

Specs?

[fiery narwhal]

like the game just stops moving and no response

[fringe vault]

whats your pc specs and current graphic settings

[fiery narwhal]

M3 Pro (11 cpu core, 14 gpu core), dx12, lowest graphics

[earnest totem]

js saw a guy sitting in his lobby playing his videos through the mic 😭

guy didn't even mess around with his character he's js sitting in a corner playing that stuff thru his mic

[fiery narwhal]

my game was still working well last version🤡

[frail pier]

WATCHMANWAKEUP that's an Easter egg

[novel walrus]

He's actually the final boss

[earnest totem]

pretty shitty one if it is i just wanna play

[frail pier]

I lost half my FPS lol.

[austere wave]

Is anyone experiencing FPS drop after the update

[fiery narwhal]

yes, almost everyone does

[earnest totem]

unreal engine update made my game load faster so that's somewhat of a W

[austere wave]

Damn

[frail pier]

I want my 160 fps back tho

[novel walrus]

Watchmenwakeup is part of the VOID Dev team thats why he's been around since RoN began

He used to get bullied on ifunny so now he's on rampage to terrorize video game lobbies. PS he really hates Christmas Trees

[fiery narwhal]

ue5 itself is not fully developed yet

[ionic gale]

If he’s trying to get people to convert to Christianity, he’s not doing it right

[novel walrus]

It's not actually christianity but his own cult

[ionic gale]

SixtyAteWhisky made a pretty good video about him

I would recommend watching his video based on that dude but yeah, Watchmen is just some dude who rambles about random shit saying that people who celebrate Easter or Christmas are going to go to the scary place underground

[earnest totem]

like any other crazy mf that buys a game just to yap abt christianity
[no offense]

[ionic gale]

Apparently, he also does it in other places that require a host like I heard people saying that he was even in a lethal company server

[silk sail]

bruh

[earnest totem]

LETHAL COMPANY LOL

[novel walrus]

There is a way you can punish him for his sins though, you can drop 10000 chemlights around him and it will crash his PC

[ionic gale]

It’s bad that he’s trying to literally force it on other people

[earnest totem]

good idea def trying this if i see him again

[fringe vault]

he was on counter strike for a bit before RoN

[silk sail]

that is so evil that it might actually work

[ionic gale]

Like that’s not how it works I’m pretty sure

[earnest totem]

everyone rally together and hunt him down

[novel walrus]

I encourage everyone to do this so we cut this cancer out

[ionic gale]

lol, yeah many people consider him an Easter egg

[silk sail]

its a lot more subtle but some people like to shove it in your face

[ionic gale]

You haven’t truly played ready or not if you have any counter that dude at least once

[fringe vault]

hes kinda just a video game urban legend that appears randomly

[novel walrus]

This is the first time I've ever seen this in any game usually in real life my Rottweiler just tells then to fuck off

[ionic gale]

Like I said before SAW made a video explaining about what he is and criticizing his actions ofc

[silk sail]

i hope he is still there

[shy tulip]

Pretty sure it's a group of dudes just spamming bots

He's also apparently active in Phasmo

[earnest totem]

free money for void tho

[shy tulip]

One way to find out when Void adds the feature to block yourself from joining him (or other hosts in general)

[silk sail]

[ionic gale]

I wonder what void is going to him or something

[silk sail]

ADD HIS CHARACTER TO THE GAME

[novel walrus]

Nothing they have done nothing for years

[earnest totem]

FR

[ionic gale]

I mean, I’m sure that void at least knows his existence and what he’s doing in their silly swat game

[silk sail]

that would be hilarious

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I would just chalk him up to being some crazy evangelical preacher who people just instantly leave his lobby after a few seconds

[earnest totem]

make all his voicelines talk or reference christianity

"lord bless me! gunman down!!!"

[novel walrus]

Where's the hackers at when you need em?

Someone go in his lobby and just start preaching satanic shit lmao

[ionic gale]

Very odd fellow for sure

The stuff that he says is also kind of weird too

I guess he talks about how Easter and Christmas are bad holidays and we’re all going to go to hell for celebrating them or something

it’s stoopid

[novel walrus]

This all happend because he was bullied on ifunny for calling people out for celebrating christmas calling it evil

Crazy what things do to a person psyche

[earnest totem]

what!?!?!? other people got presents but I didnt!?!?! that's evil and satanic Christmas sucks!!!!!

[ionic gale]

even tho Easter and Christmas celebrate the birth and resurrection of Christ

I mean get what he’s doing trying to get the good word out there, but he’s not doing it correctly

[novel walrus]

Yeah he was bullied off that platform and started preaching in games after

[ionic gale]

And he’s just pissing everybody off who just wants to play the silly police game

[novel walrus]

The worst part is you keep rejoining his lobby, stupid ass matchmaking thats why they need to give us a server browser

[ionic gale]

He makes christianity look like a weird cult to some people, but I’m not gonna go into that entire can of beanie weenies

[ionic gale]

Yeah, there should be a server browser in the base game and not tied to the mod menu mod

[novel walrus]

Or just ban the literal one guy ruining your game lol

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if holding up lobbies or something like that is considered ban worthy to valve

[thin chasm]

finally got my computer back and was able to check out the update
i am slightly disappointed

[novel walrus]

Don't forget to leave a dissapointing review

[earnest totem]

ngl ban every watchman acc that buys RoN
infinite money glitch

[thin chasm]

im glad they finally fixed the gold goggles but this update left my game running at 30 fps on low settings when before that it ran at 60 on medium

[shy tulip]

They've said that they'll add a lobby manager to make it you can't join watchman, but of course you can also use that on other hosts.

Your own way of self moderating bad hosts

[novel walrus]

Good the host that restart right after they die because they rushed in are terrible

[stone bay]

Jehovah's Witnesses are a strange breed. They also don't celebrate birthdays.

[ionic gale]

I heard some weird stories of JWs ;-;

Odd fellows

Of course there’s a argument of if they are cult which we definitely can’t get into that entire uhm thing

[stone bay]

they basically cut off people who leave them so infer from that what you will.

[fickle fiber]

i haven't been having any performances issues at all

[celest umbra]

what the hell is "Microphone Gain" in the audio setting vs voip volume?

[novel walrus]

Gain is your mic volume voip is others volume

[celest umbra]

thanks! my team can hear me now

[toxic aurora]

why cant i access the dlc in commander mode?

[novel walrus]

Only works in practice and multiplayer

[toxic aurora]

k

[ionic gale]

woah woah

[novel walrus]

Can someone tell me what ports RoN uses so I can forward them when I'm connected to my router VOIP does not work but when I plug directly to modem I can hear people again

[umbral oar]

Sven never fails to make me want to shoot his face ❤️

[unkempt mountain]

anyone else think the ai is much better now? they surrender a lot more and do other behaviors way more frequently

[novel walrus]

I think this is a big issue because a lot of people have this issue of not hearing people so I'm 100% sure its ports that need to be opened to hear them

[umbral oar]

i saw something funny actually, we yelled at one suspect and he dropped his gun but didn't get down, but bent over to pick it back up

[sturdy gazelle]

anyone also hv problem with mods corrupting game and cannot start after update

[shy tulip]

That is normal, remove them all

#❓modding-faq-archive

[sturdy gazelle]

all old mods won't work?

lemme try with gunfighter

[shy tulip]

Yes

Every old mod.

Wait for them to be updated

[sturdy gazelle]

ok thx

[ionic gale]

It’s a whole new Unreal Engine change

It’s practically like reinstalling the game like you did the first time

[sturdy gazelle]

oic

[ionic gale]

If you owned the game beforehand, of course

[nocturne hound]

any maps you guys dont like that give you silent hill horror game vibes, one map so far had me stressed out i think it was the third mission

[shy tulip]

Had a time where streamer was coated in a thick layer of fog, was spooky

[rose wadi]

This happens a lot more often, and if you don't cuff them right away, they will get back up.

[umbral oar]

no like he dropped it and instantly picked it back up

[rose wadi]

One thing, though. The SWAT AI Won't shoot if suspects have a knife... even when actively being stabbed over and over again. They just tell them to put their hands up until they get stabbed to death

[nocturne hound]

well thats f'ed up lol :/

[rose wadi]

I couldn't save him because I had to reload!;-;

[nocturne hound]

poor guys rip
stuff like that usually raises my anxiety and im like What do I DO?? lmao

[rose wadi]

Be when I couldn't make the sewerslide bomber in Neon Tomb submit even with 4 ai unloading on him with nonlethal and me melee bashing

We got kaboomed

[nocturne hound]

can you do these mission co-op or is it better to singleplayer first

[twin citrus]

i recommend doing practice mode before u do multiplayer

[rose wadi]

Your preference. My first 30 hours of the game were co-op with 1 friend

[ionic gale]

If I wasn’t doing a non-lethal run, I would’ve totally shot him in his stupid face

[rose wadi]

I wasn't even packing a single mag for my secondary ;-; I never encountered one of them before!

I do non-lethal only in practice mode

Wish there were more non-lethal tools and weapons

[nocturne hound]

practice mode
alone me myself and i
in the dark
ekkk xD

i scared....xD

[shy tulip]

Hobo jumpscare

[drifting hound]

yo does anyone know if officer traits stack?

[nocturne hound]

yes lmao

[solar viper]

why the DLC is not in commander mode 😭

[rose wadi]

I keep my finger off the mouse button the same way I'd keep my finger off the gun trigger lol

[rose wadi]

I don't think we know. But I think it will be in the future. It's in practice for now

[solar viper]

i guess i will practicesome police brutality then..

[nocturne hound]

you dont get scored in practice mode?

or graded?

[shy tulip]

If you did not gather all the objectives, including soft objectives, no. I don't think guns count though, just stuff you see on the objectives section of the scoring screen.

[nocturne hound]

ok was wondering why i wasnt being graded when completing the mission multiple times

[shy tulip]

What mission specifically

[nocturne hound]

2nd mission

[shy tulip]

There are three soft objectives, ||his computer, his night table, and the crypto machines.||

[nocturne hound]

ok

[unkempt mountain]

i just finished playing the dlc
mansion is whatever. dorms and suburbs are really good ngl

[abstract bloom]

Do the devs just not care at all about how their flashlight looks on our screens? I’ve cleared more rooms than I can count and every single light I’ve ever been issued, helmet or rail, has a focal adjustment that changed how bright the centerpoint is. I was using gunfighters flashlight and it was pretty good but I would’ve bet money they would’ve fixed their internal light. The only time I’d run a light at that focus is if I was clearing a damn parking lot! 😂

[thin chasm]

i think i see why the game performance was so shitty
it reset every setting
which means it was on borderless windowed for some reason

[drifting sand]

I feel like we need 2 kinds of lights.

1. A body mounted broad cone light for actually illuminating areas
2. Gun mounted flashlights for stunning and blinding enemies that it's pointed at.

Armies had this shit figured out in WW2 FFS.

[abstract bloom]

That’s a perfect point. Because yea, there’s something to be said if I run in your bedroom with a max focal light after you’ve been spaced out looking at a dark wall. You ain’t just gonna start firing at me.

[drifting sand]

Night has a lot of issues like this.

Like being unable to even turn off lights in an area (either by shooting or using a switch) if you're using NVGs.

I'm not even sure if enemies are even affected by darkness.

[ionic gale]

The flashlights also obscure ur red dot

Don’t know if it’s a feature or something weird like that but it makes aiming a pain on the ass

[drifting sand]

Yep.

Brightness of the sun, but suspects can see right through

[abstract bloom]

I usually run a holo, and I can’t see the reticle to save my life so I can’t image an rd.

[inland isle]

how do i equip a balaclava?

[unkempt mountain]

the middle of the light is blinding white
and the areas outside of the light is pitch black

[abstract bloom]

Suspect over here like “lemme hit this gigachad headshot on these 600 lumen boisss. 😂

[drifting sand]

Used to be worse earlier.

It's...a lot more manageable now .

But used to be that reticles were damned near invisible in most lighting.

[unkempt mountain]

only in multiplayer
select the masked playermodels

[inland isle]

ah thank you sire

anybody know if they are gonna add the maps to singlep,layer? id prolly mess up the timeline / lore

[abstract bloom]

I’m sure they are. They are prolly running it on practice as a poor excuse for testing it for scores.

[drifting sand]

Cracked reflexes, ESP, and the ability to just shrug off pain like it's a minor inconvenience.

The suspects in this game are many things; human-like ain't one of them.

[inland isle]

😂

[drifting sand]

I think one major mistake has been seemingly using stress as a simple aggression meter

[abstract bloom]

Not at all! And it wouldn’t even bother me if it was just the Park ones. I can accept a methed out tweaker or two . But they’re tryna tell me every single bad guy can see straight through the moon but me and you can’t even see our targets through a flashlight that we were issued 😒

I wouldnt even b I t c h about it if it wasn’t so easy to fix. Shame I have to space out my language in a game that literally kills human beings. That’s the worst feeling thing you can ever do and they are worried bout my speech.

[inland isle]

how do i get good frames?

impossible?

[drifting burrow]

funny story, ive never seen the trailers (the guys that show up to pick up hostages) until yesterday, idk how tbh

[rocky plover]

They usually show up after you get bring order to chaos objective

[drifting burrow]

yeah ive done that a ton, never showed up for me until yesterday

even then it was just one guy carrying someone out

[rocky plover]

I think (not sure however) it makes a difference if you still have objectives that you have to do after bring order to chaos that determines them to show up or not

[drifting burrow]

no ive done that

usually the only things left is some gun or some report, its just that ive never seen them show up

[rocky plover]

Ye they're not consistent that's for sure, I've seen them plenty of times but still not as frequent as I would have imagined

[drifting burrow]

idk how like, sometimes i just walk around for a while too, especially on the elephant map. just never showed up

[rocky plover]

Yeah super weird

[tired compass]

are the new cosmetics just the masks what else are the new cosmetics i dont notice any?

[rocky plover]

Haven't really bothered checking tbh, but I heard most of them (if not all but I'm not sure) are available in multiplayer and not single player

[ionic gale]

They are in practice mode

[crimson sonnet]

Just to clarify, cosmetics and maps are locked to practice mode and multiplayer. Most cosmetics, including the balaclava are locked to multiplayer only as well.

[ionic gale]

Commander mode hasn’t been touched rlly

Only the new guns and the gear (no barclava) are available

[ember salmon]

Is it just me or are suspects extremely more bulletproof and incap instead of dying from obviously fatal shots (i.e. 12 gauge buckshot point blank)?

[tame cloud]

Help, i did all mp missions with a buddy, and yet the DLC still wont show?

[solid rover]

what version is the game right now

[tame cloud]

and a lot say unresolved (we beat em all)

[stone bay]

that's why I administer follow-up bullets

[ember salmon]

Nah seriously I was playing last week and now after update gas station thugs are fucking superman

[shy tulip]

Nothin will survive buckshot (assuming they don't have armor, but even then the spread is insane)

Either some sus stuff is happening in your game or you're missing, as mean as that sounds

[ember salmon]

My things is targets with no armor are getting incapped instead of meeting god

[drifting sand]

The AI does appear to have retained all (or most, at any rate) of its issues

Either they forgot to add in the AI improvements they've been talking about, something broke, or this isn't the update they meant to work on AI.

[errant galleon]

anyone else having probelms loading in

[ember salmon]

So they are downed but not dead

Im talking "thank you come again", I blasted thugs with slugs and buckshot and none of them died, they were only incapped

[errant galleon]

?

[drifting sand]

Seems like there's some delays when first loading in, but they resolve by themselves

[tame cloud]

I cant access the DLC lol

[drifting sand]

Practice mode

[tame cloud]

Still cant access

[ember salmon]

Yeah my buddy is too

[jolly verge]

you wont be able to kill them in 1 shot, they have 360 health and buckshot damage with all 8 pellets hit is 320, for slug it's 250

[livid zenith]

I'm sure its been asked before but do they plan to add AI teammates to multiplayer? I feel like splitting into 2 teams could be cool, or just for people like me who will play multiplayer solo just to have a balaclava now.

[ember salmon]

lol let me run it again I'll post pics in media

[drifting sand]

I'll send you a screenshot when I'm back from work

[errant galleon]

says ''corrupt data found please verify install''

[ember salmon]

Has it always been this way?

[drifting sand]

Verify integrity of game files, and delete mod data

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[errant galleon]

how do i do that

[shy tulip]

Consider it blows limbs off like a beast, no.

Oh slugs, maybe

[ember salmon]

Damnn that's interesting

[drifting sand]

Steam, right click on the game, properties, installed files (I think)

Delete mod data has a dedicated thing, but I don't remember where they put it in the game files.

[marble kite]

are you guys able to add paks like full screen nvgs yet?

[tame cloud]

I just did that and the game has the same error i can only get in thru safe mode... man this game is broken

I was gladly going to buy the DLC but the game is in bad shape atm

[marble kite]

Are you having trouble booting in directx12?

[drifting sand]

I do feel like enemies need more reactions to being shot; seems like they just shrug off shots and keep fighting.

The way they do that doesn't make sense even for methheads

[tame cloud]

Only safemode works, DX12 or 11 dont

[shy tulip]

If only safemode works, you have broken mods #❓modding-faq-archive

[tame cloud]

I have no mods anymore, deleted all

[drifting sand]

Remove mods; the actual folders.

[marble kite]

Did you delete the mod.io folder, and did you delete all modded paks besides the core 21?

[tame cloud]

🙄 .... Yes

[shy tulip]

You must've missed some, because that error is 100% caused by mods. The clean option on launch doesn't seem to remove 100%.

The proof enough is that all safemode does is launch the game on dx12 and disable mods

[marble kite]

did you verify integrity or is it a disk corruption

[tame cloud]

I hit the "remove all mods" button that you get after the game crashes

[shy tulip]

• I've seen people saying they've had no mods and then go and find out they have mods, at least like 10 times the past few days. That error is only caused by mods

[marble kite]

I have never seen that before I cant talk but do you want to join a vc to ss what is going on cuz I dont get a remove all mods button?

[shy tulip]

The latest FAQ is how to delete them manually with a 100% success rate

I gotta tweak it though cause they renamed the pak files

[tame cloud]

I should not have been running into this many issues to play the game man...

[ember salmon]

Slugs only I guess then

[marble kite]

Did you unsubscribe from all mod.io mods??

[tame cloud]

I have no mod.io mods

[marble kite]

send ss cuz im at a loss

[jolly verge]

They do react to shots, but stagger chance based on caliber/ammo type you playing with.
Hitting limbs/bare torso with some 9mm is only 20% chance that they will flinch from it and less if you hit armored one

[crude prism]

There's some variation in health depending on mission. Default health is 320 (most missions, 12g buck would 1 shot if you hit every pellet) but also missions with 380/390/400/500

Also because dismemberment is instant death, there's an extra risk to each shot

[tame cloud]

of what, there are no mods nowhere

[marble kite]

the error message you get when you boot on directx12

[tame cloud]

The same as the others, serialization error

[shy tulip]

Take a picture of your paks folder and send it in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[tame cloud]

Already verified integrity, all files were validated, I hit the "remove all mods" button that you get with the crash message, I manually deleted the mods from the folders before doing that too

[crude prism]

If you're specifically trying to incap with shotguns, yeah

[hearty parrot]

I will hipfire from like 20ft from a suspect and still take their arm off what the fuck is in that buckshot

[tame cloud]

I did a swipe again and it now booted to DX12 so I will say you are right @shy tulip

[jolly verge]

buckshot effective on any distance, minimum damage it's will drop per 1 pellet to is 40 > 35

[tame cloud]

However, the DLC is not showing in practice mode as people say, not for me at least

[crude prism]

it's magnum buck from tarkov

[hearty parrot]

Lmao m1014 best shotgun

[shy tulip]

It will be in its own tab to the right of the normal map tab, make sure you are on practice and not commander (continue button will take you to commander)

[tame cloud]

Its grayed out

[shy tulip]

Do you have the DLC purchased? Or did you own SE prior?

[tame cloud]

tagged u

no I have base game only, have not bought DLC yet

[shy tulip]

Oh

Then you can't play the maps yet in SP unless you own them.

You can however go into COOP and if the host owns the DLC, you can play them for free

Just can't get the cosmetics at that point

[tame cloud]

Not even in Practice?

[shy tulip]

Yep

[hearty parrot]

Wdym u can't use the stuff you didn't pay for

[tame cloud]

LOL ok, makes sense, thanx man

[tame cloud]

to be fair there is not a lot of clarity on this DLC, i have seen millions of different sources say different things

[hearty parrot]

Yeah, void definitely could've been more informative especially with the supporters edition

[tame cloud]

For anyone as dumb as me LOL, here's a quick breakdown for the DLC:

*DLC weapons: Free for all players
*DLC maps: Free in multiplayer if the lobby host owns the DLC
*DLC cosmetics: DLC purchase needed (with the exception of balaclavas and new camo options for base game cosmetics)

[prime wing]

Its in the pins

already

[rose bison]

one of my swat AI just shot a cuffed civilian for no reason, thank FUCK it didnt count or i would be livid

[blissful harness]

Is there only me who creates OCs the moment present for customization comes out?

[halcyon mountain]

Anyone having issues with hit registration?

[errant galleon]

thank u so much!!!

[karmic pine]

Has anyone been having issues with the DLC maps being a bit stuttery or just giving low FPS in general, cause I've been having that on the new Dorms and Narcos map

especially in multiplayer when I have 4 people with me

[covert meteor]

yes known issue

has the devs said anything yet about how low quality the dlc is ? its in a basically unplayable state as is

[karmic pine]

hm cause i was wondering if anyone else was having issues or if it was just a me thing

but yeah, my friend was absolutely roasting the game and DLC when we played.

[covert meteor]

yeah the devs really fuckin dropped the ball on this one

definetly a honesty check for reviewers

"great dlc you should totally buy it!!!" when it halves your performence, fucking melts any mods you have, corrupts half your saves, and it took them how long to add 3 half baked mods and guns?

[umbral oar]

What

[covert meteor]

what

[idle scarab]

Performance is not from DLC, its from new engine

[covert meteor]

which is part of the update as a whole

dlc still feels low effort

besides narcos thats a good map

[shy tulip]

I expected people to hate narcos the most for its size/amount of houses and suspects

[covert meteor]

but the new recoil system is terrible as well i forgot to mention that these are supposed to be highly trained officers but they handle recoil like 19 year old larpers now

[rose bison]

ALL MY AI TEAMATES ARE FUCKING MORONS!!!!

[umbral oar]

am i the only one to really like lawmaker? i just wanted to explore the whole thibg

[karmic pine]

its fine but i don't like all the uneeded enterable houses it has

[shy tulip]

I like it, but I find dorms is my fav. I wish law maker had more suspects, 100% a map I'll look for more suspect mods on

[crude prism]

nothing with recoil changed except buffs for most of the underperforming ARs and the MPX

[shy tulip]

my 2 cents on recoil in games: I do not want recoilless games, I like having to control my recoil. You control the character and how they act, you should control their recoil.

Plus little to no recoil is just really boring and takes away from combat.

[crude prism]

all the rifles I would NEVER consider using are now way better

[shy tulip]

but can it keel

[crude prism]

keeeeeeeel

[cyan geyser]

where is the LSPD getting all of their money for guns and equipment

“Time for our daily imports of 200 NVGs!!!”

[crude prism]

hey, asset seizure in Los Suenos is very profitable when every corner has a drug den/arms dealer

[rose bison]

true

[crude crown]

U can’t play the new maps in commander or u can?

[rose bison]

you cant

[covert meteor]

los angeles 2023-2024 law enforcement budget was almost 2 billion dollars

[crude crown]

Bruh wtf what’s the point

[cyan geyser]

[rose bison]

just go into pratice

[blissful harness]

Nah, I love it.
South Central, Cholo gangsters, my favorite theme.

[rose bison]

narco's is peak

[covert meteor]

to get you to buy the dlc so they can scurry off into a corner and ignore you after they get your money

[blissful harness]

It was the map I'm most excited about.

[rose bison]

some of the most fun ive ever had in RON

[umbral oar]

lawmaker has the kawayu piano

[shy tulip]

It does give GTA San Andreas vibes, specifically the left side of the map

(I say as someone who never played it)

[umbral oar]

and the sins of the father ghosts

[blissful harness]

Hell, check the name on your device and look at the street's name.

[cyan geyser]

I still need to get the dlc but my client never paid for their commissioned artwork (it’s been a month)

[covert meteor]

i agree, but when you cant get past 40 fps its not desirable

[rose bison]

i kinda got confused because it had a very similar name to twisted nerve

its 213 park instead of 213 park homes

[blissful harness]

I'm guessing they belong in the same district.

[rose bison]

that would make alot of sense

[blissful harness]

Anyway, we gotta have more South Central gangster map to raid.

[rose bison]

oh yeah anyone know on dorms whats the hidden objectives since i only found a crackpipe and i looked everywhere for the other hidden objective

[blissful harness]

Narco is peak for its theme.

[rose bison]

no narco is also peak for its combat

[shy tulip]

That is the only one

[rose bison]

your telling me i can fight in the outdoors cqc with heavily armed suspects and not have to worry about civillians getting killed in the crossfire all that much? sign me the fuck up

[shy tulip]

I mean with AP/with bigger calibers your round can 100% go into a house and nail a civi

[rose bison]

that has never happened to me once so fuck it we ball

[blissful harness]

They really cooked with that map.

[umbral oar]

i hate it…

[covert meteor]

is there any way to not play on the new engine

go back to the old one

[rose bison]

shotgun with buckshot makes mincemeat out of the enemies

[viral bone]

Nope

[rose bison]

they do have body armor but im gonna be real if you have a semi auto shotgun and you can land your shots your going to be absolutely fine

[covert meteor]

any idea when a fix is gonna be put out?

[umbral oar]

I was doin s rank

[gilded wigeon]

any idea why i try to host a session at 100% it freezes up?

[waxen grove]

give it some time. walk away and make a coffee. No clue why loads take forever now but im having the same issue.

Looks like a freeze, smells like a freeze but the game is working . . . . some of the time, only really encoutered one crash so far

[waxen grove]

6 months

[gilded wigeon]

haha worked ty

[fiery narwhal]

Void interactive is bit slow

[prime wing]

before or on friday. As to how much it will do to improve things, im not sure.

[waxen grove]

please qc that fix, 1.1 fixed my preformance issues i really dont wanan see a hot fix bring me back to pre 1.1 levels of lag and studdering

[crystal sierra]

They said anything about adding DLC missions into commander mode or... ?

[dry vapor]

Just had michael one punch man kill an shield-wielding officer it was really funny until it ruined the mission lol xd

[prime wing]

not yet

[waxen grove]

not originally planned. something about a 4 year time jump that doesnt exist. Confusing ngl

[prime wing]

Kaminsky said it was his mistake, its not a 4 year jump

[crystal sierra]

So, i need to wait for that mod that can add AI to multiplayer to get updated, perfect... 😩

[prime wing]

You can play practice mode

oh wait

nvm

[waxen grove]

pratice mode has swat ai

[prime wing]

Practice mode/commander are basically the same. One just has no shitty perks/officer stress sytem

[gilded wigeon]

anyway to unlock all since i had to reinstall the game

[stone stump]

reinstalling doesn't remove saves

[gilded wigeon]

i did when i did remove all mods or w/e the option was

[stone stump]

anyway, to unlock all you need to unlock all again

or use a 100% save

[gilded wigeon]

ty

[rose bison]

god the best part about narco's is that the incredibly bad swat AI doesnt ruin it

[ember salmon]

Are hollow points worth it generally?

[rose bison]

no there is no reason to use hollow points

[novel walrus]

If you don't want to kill anybody

[rose bison]

especially on pistols since some guy wearing a backpack is enough to block hollow points

[waxen grove]

the backpack doesnt act like armor

unless ...

[ember salmon]

Basically thought that as well during my first playthrough of the game but I started reading about the limb multipliers

[rose bison]

no it definitely does

[waxen grove]

where is that googlesheet gone with all that info

[prime wing]

pins

[rose bison]

on several occsions ive shot people on the backpack and it has done absolutely nothing

[ember salmon]

No idea

[prime wing]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

its pinned.

[waxen grove]

does anyone here have a 100% savefile?

[fervent wren]

battlepass ?

[sturdy trellis]

What the fuck is wrong with this DLC, lol.

My GPU peaks at 58 degrees, when it's average on playing heavy open world games such as MSFS gets highest at 51.

Optimization nowhere to found I guess

[waxen grove]

its void, you tend to expect that by now

[naive tangle]

Guys I'm downloading ron any tips?

[sturdy trellis]

I thought I would be opposite from "negative" people but I'll just refund probably the DLC.

It's like disgusting, to fuck up my hardware just because they're clinky develoeprs and can't write normal code.

And that's only with FSR2, I would guess without FSR it would peak at eighties, lol.

[round python]

how do you fix corrupted files after reinstalling the game

[sturdy trellis]

Enjoy it, and don't buy the DLC ever, unless they do some patch.

[round python]

and i verifyied files

[waxen grove]

check the pak folder, if you have mods installed the game wont run

[round python]

o

are pakchunks 1-20 part of the game?

[waxen grove]

yeah and the safemode/delete mods button doesnt work. might empty the modio folder but it wont touch the mods

yep dont touch 0-20

[round python]

ok

does anybody use the patrol officer mod?

[waxen grove]

:/ so i just found the line of code to add home invasion to commander mode but the devs was one step infront of me. not only did they gray the button out, they also made a pop up to stop you from entering to dlc even if you were to get around the grayed out button.

Mark my words i will get this working tonight

[round python]

or just me

[sturdy trellis]

As much as I love this game, the DLC I refunded, no way anyone accepts that poor optimization.

[round python]

the home invasion dlc?

[rose bison]

dude its already pre installed you might as well of kept it

[sturdy trellis]

yeah.

[waxen grove]

the dlc maps are quite fun

[rose bison]

true

[waxen grove]

even more fun then the base game in some aspects

[rose bison]

except dorms, fuck dorms.

[sturdy trellis]

so they've fucked perfomance for the whole game or just dlc maps?

[rose bison]

the SWAT ai are just so fucking stupid they usually just end up killing all the suspects you need

[rose bison]

im guessing the dlcs maps actually mb

[waxen grove]

ratio of 13 to 8, its just a stupidly set up map

[round python]

i wonder why nexus mods requires you to make an account before downloading anything

[sturdy trellis]

jesus christ, like I haven't ever had issues with RON, my first time when I played it, was on laptop with 1660 ti and there were no issues, everything runned smoothly lol.

[round python]

like im just gonna sign right out

[sturdy trellis]

Now with high end setup it works, but too bad on hardware XD

[rose bison]

no the problem with dorms is that the swat ai dont actually try to detain suspects they just go "HE HAS A FUCKING GUN SHOT HIM"

[prime wing]

no one has talked about the suspect AI much. It is slightly better and fun to play against. I think performance has overshadowed the base changes to the enemy AI, which used to be the #1 complaint although in the last update it was somewhat braindead and the stress morale didnt made sense when they explained it on release.

Kaminsky did a good job of describing it in the patch notes. Simple terms and not a lot of corporate talk so its kind of easier to grasp what those systems are meant to do.

[rose bison]

the suspect AI are a lot less aimbotty now and give you fair warning

[umbral oar]

Nah we ignore the good changes

[rose bison]

it wasnt very fun when some crackhead who isnt a experienced shooter rounds a corner and instantly headshots you

[prime wing]

theres a level of unpredictable choices that i like. Some dude may just surrender and others will take the time to hesitate.

easily a few seconds of tension

[sturdy trellis]

I actually like that suspects headshot me, because I'm a noob and I have zero reaction to these things, so surely in real life scenario I would go down first, lol.

[novel walrus]

At least you are fodder for the rest of us

[prime wing]

gas crackheads are unpredictable and somewhat insane. Suicidal sometimes but i dont think it is out of the realm of possibility. They will miss a lot of shots, so checks out.

[waxen grove]

Its a little better. Im about to compare last versions ai to this version but it still needs a bit of work. Not to mention ai gun choice for each map is still a problem

[prime wing]

the drum mag ar i think is due to the presence of cartel members, thats the one thing that people seem to complain about the most in narcos. I dont have an issue with it. But it is m249 all over again

not a fan

[orchid narwhal]

how did you play dorms with ai?

[sturdy trellis]

What's your perfomance on new maps guys?

[prime wing]

practice mode

[sturdy trellis]

Like how hot your GPUS/CPUS are running, maybe someone noticed?

[orchid narwhal]

thanks

[orchid narwhal]

it was good for me on dx11 and 1660 super

[sturdy trellis]

oh maybe that's the issue, that I run on DX12

[rose bison]

i tactically cleared every room with a flashbang

[orchid narwhal]

if you don't have an rtx then propably yes

[rose bison]

only for them to just go "oh this person whos in very close range that i can probably just bash? time to magdump him"

unless thats not programmed in the friendly AI

[sturdy trellis]

I have RX 7900 XTX

Been Nvidia fanboy, but with these prices nowadays, not looking back to be part of nvidia team again.

[orchid narwhal]

it should work fine with dx12 then i suppose

[rose bison]

I ♥️ SCALPERS

[sturdy trellis]

Trying dx11 just for sake of trying.

I get stable FPS'es and that's not an issue, the real issue is how heated up is hardware and it shouldn't be like that. Maybe I'm too geeky with this, idk.

[round python]

i just reinstalled my mods and the game still says corrupted...

[waxen grove]

have they been updated to ue5? no mods will work unless they have been updated

[round python]

how do you tell

[prime wing]

mod upload date

anything prior to july 23rd, nuke it

[orchid narwhal]

every mod on 23rd and after has been updated

[waxen grove]

i understand 1 ar but you can find more then 1 in dorm.

[round python]

oh ok it says january

[waxen grove]

yep thats dead

[prime wing]

yup, not gonna work. There was an announcement regarding mods before release

[round python]

that lapd mod was relaly good tho

[stone bay]

bro tysm deadass got it first try after tryin it 🙏

[round python]

why cant i delete the mods now?

nvm'

it still says corrupted data after deleting my mods

[orchid narwhal]

have you edited any text files like engine.ini?

[round python]

no just paks

[waxen grove]

smh. check the pak folder. void stuffed up with the tool that removes it for you

[round python]

the mod.io mods still work right

[orchid narwhal]

don't use mod.io

[round python]

?

[orchid narwhal]

if you download mods with mod.io they don't get installed correctly

[sturdy trellis]

Same shit, playable but terrible perfomance.

[round python]

do i delete them through file explorer?

[orchid narwhal]

yes

[sturdy trellis]

but maps are high quality, those effects are lit.

[drifting sand]

Which kind of makes one issue apparnet.

Stress seems to just be a straight aggression meter; making enemies more reckless and aggressive as it climbs.

Which...isn't how stress and fear work, to put it mildly. Even a fedayeen who's sworn to die doesn't get as reckless as the suspects, and even then, stress makes both fight and flight more likely, not just fight.

[round python]

its in the mods folder of mod.io right

[orchid narwhal]

you can remove entire mod.io folder it's created automatically

[stone bay]

guys how do I equip balaclava? I don't see any option that adds it

[round python]

ok it works now

[orchid narwhal]

and if you want to download mods use site nexusmods

[round python]

it couldve been dx12 because i just used dx11

[vivid crescent]

Easy A-ranks (no S tho) seems to be having Judge run the beanbag shotgun or pepperballs but keep the rest of the squad running lethals.

You can easily subdue anyone without having to spend vital time switching/ordering LTL use but your squad can return fire through windows/clear areas where it's really tricky to use LTL

[fervent wren]

battlepass when???

[novel walrus]

Ban this man

[fervent wren]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-silent-hill2-james-sunderland-sad-depressed-gif-27628054

[blissful sable]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[fervent wren]

ok nvm

[blissful sable]

aint no way 💀

[drifting sand]

Beanbags and non lethals in general seem a little too meta, in that they're too hard for enemies to resist, while lethals (especially single shot, such as pistols) aren't all that hard to resist.

Which sounds good on paper, but IMO doesn't create a good balance.

In the same vein, within lethals, beanbags are way too effective vs pepperballs.

[vivid crescent]

At least LTL weapons have downsides unlike SWAT 4 where a beanbag headshot does nothing.

Same with more of a focus on windows and doors/walls that you can shoot through, I've died a good few times on dorms because I can't return fire through walls.

[blissful sable]

you can kill people with the beanbag tho, so you trade area damage and shoot-wherever-you-want for efficiency

[feral mauve]

my game used to run in 100+ fps on med-high settings, now i barely have 50 fps on low settings what the hell

[north meteor]

how do you open the safe room on the new map??

[novel walrus]

You don't

[sturdy trellis]

you don't, you just press on it and it contacts TAC.

[north meteor]

oh ok

[bitter fable]

and press the button on the other side

[sturdy trellis]

rip perfomance

[feral mauve]

my gtx 1650 is literally dying lmao

even my friend with rtx has low fps

[naive tangle]

Guys I should play on DirectX 12 or 11?

[sturdy trellis]

I turned on FSR, it helps a little bit.

[feral mauve]

it doesnt work btw i tried

[feral mauve]

12 of course

[naive tangle]

Thx

[ocean apex]

whats the last map of commander mode? I think im stuck after rustbelt

[waxen grove]

i think it should be port

[fervent wren]

which rtx

[feral mauve]

4070 or something like that

[fervent wren]

i only use 2060(no super or TI)
i got like solit 60 (i use frame limiter, no fsr/dlss) highs setting. yeah sometimes the drops is there like 0.1 seconds

[fervent wren]

maybe cpu not goot or.....

[sturdy trellis]

new maps are badly optimizd

[feral mauve]

well, i hope developers will fix perfomance issues

[noble pasture]

Y'all still complaining? A fix patch doesnt drop in a day

[waxen grove]

this game is just badly optimized

@feral mauve I wouldnt hold your breath. we been waiting for the devs to fix the preformance issues since 2021

@noble pasture Yeah it comes in 182days

[fervent wren]

well...... gamedev is hrad sooo...... idk man

[feral mauve]

i know, i have been playing since january 2022

but from this update it got 10x worse

[fervent wren]

maybe because ue5

[waxen grove]

they did cook with this update. IDK how many bugs were squashed becuase the change log was quite brief on bug fixes. Since i was one of the lucky ones to gain preformance i really do think this is how it should of released at 1.0 but it seems like there are more strange preformance bugs that need to be squashed. Not to mention optimisations and the fact UE5 isnt gonna run better without optimisations

[fringe vault]

devs said a hotfix should be expected by end of this week when DLC first released due to the issues that came with it

I’m one of the few lucky people who also had performance upgrade and noticed less stuttering

[waxen grove]

yeah a hand full of hotfixes, promises of a patch then no patch for 6 months.

[gloomy thistle]

I thought u5 would fix a lot of the performance issues, at least that’s what the devs say

[sturdy trellis]

It's heavier graphics engine, so it's all again on the devs shoulders.

[fringe vault]

Well apparently to people here, UE5 did fix performance issues for some while others say it got worst

[waxen grove]

There very well could be frame timing issues but graphcis lag is a tad better

[sturdy trellis]

And the perfomance is fine on the maps, but the game works heavier on GPU than big names such as forza horizon or microsoft flight simulator which has all world map, lol.

[pseudo wind]

I wonder how long they're going to stretch the term hot fix. Last time they still called a 2 month later patch a "hot fix" lol

[covert meteor]

with the amount of money and manpower void has if a fix takes any longer than 2 weeks its pure laziness

[sturdy trellis]

remember that the main patch which was released at the end of the year last year, took them almost a year.

[waxen grove]

im expecting same service as 1.0, a few hotfixes to fix the small shit then 6 months for a patch.

The issue with void is . . . well . . . idk. It has to be leadership. The devs are going into crunch overload to give us this. and that really shouldnt be the case. Something isnt right behind the scenes if the devs have to do sleepless nights for this

[sturdy trellis]

Remember it's still business, and most business owners are shit heads.

[covert meteor]

incompetence

[fringe vault]

which is why I always feel kinda bad for the devs since most problems really just stem from management

[pseudo wind]

They just don't know what they want to do with their own product

[sturdy trellis]

I would love someone who is billionaire youtuber, to just hire a developer team and drop a good game in any theme, just to show, how business rigged are. But it won't happen, only my in dreams probably, lol.

[waxen grove]

I really havent seen this level of corporate incompetence in an inde game

[sturdy trellis]

Oh trust me brother, there's a lot of devs like this.

It's just the gaming industry gets worse and worse.

[waxen grove]

Oh i dont mean incompent devs. I mean the kind of incompetence you only see in the big houses like ea, activision, bungie, etc

[sturdy trellis]

Same with main release last year of cities skylines 2, the perfomance almost after YEAR isn't fixed. XD

[waxen grove]

i need to keep reminding my self void is a indie studio when you look at the amount of mismanagement

its kind of impressive ngl

[sturdy trellis]

Yes, but sometimes indie companies perform better than most AAA's.

[waxen grove]

thats the point

[sturdy trellis]

I just don't understand the incompetence.

[waxen grove]

indie studios dont typically need to deal with this shit

[sturdy trellis]

To just fuck up game perfomance by rushing to release DLC.

[waxen grove]

yet void does

[sturdy trellis]

They knew before release, that this has perfomance issues, but they we're like fuck this, we gonna do it anyways.

[waxen grove]

eh, dlc was ready to be rolled out. the ue5 port maybe needed more time in the oven

[sturdy trellis]

Our player gpu runs on 85 degrees? Well, at least it works, I guess, right?

[pseudo wind]

That's why you shouldn't set deadlines that you can't meet.

[stone bay]

fps is so shit for me

[fringe vault]

The DLC itself is fine, it was just the backstage stuff

[tall harness]

Bit of a reach to say they already knew. They have limited testers, and I am one of the people whose fps has dropped

[pseudo wind]

The road map they sent out during 1.0 showed that we should've gotten DLC 2 now

[waxen grove]

as a map pack dlc 1 is complate. its ready to be released. it was ready. issue is that now we are gonna get no patches till dlc 2

[sturdy trellis]

But it's rushed pal totally.

[pine pollen]

same

[waxen grove]

the ai still has issues but we are coming closer to a working ai with each update

[tall harness]

The AI I found pretty good this patch

Have had a lot of fun with them

[waxen grove]

the door camping behavoure they added is not good. that was a step backwards

they dont insta gib you at point blank range which is nice

[tall harness]

Why? It makes sense, they hold entry points

[pine pollen]

I can't fully appreciate the DLC because my pc running at 20-50 fps WITH FSR on.

[tall harness]

I've seen them double up to ambush me on entry points

[fringe vault]

The AI hiding behind doors isn’t that bad considering it’s decently noticeable

[waxen grove]

because as far as i know the ai's super human hearing is still in effect so they will hear you when they really shouldnt and start aiming at the door

[fringe vault]

and besides you can just wallabng them if you have a strong enough round anyways

[tall harness]

Tbh AI are fucking deaf

They don't hear gunshots from 10m away sometimes, try it on some maps you'll see

[waxen grove]

Last time i played they could figure out where you are on the map using echo location and pin point snipe you though the wall. and this was on maps without the seam shots

[tall harness]

Slow walk whej you approach doors helps

[fringe vault]

I will say the dorms map does have extreme noticeable differences in AI and they are objectively more passive which makes sense considering your dealing with crackheads

the only aggressive AI on that map are the “looters” who are dressed like a random California compliant militia

it makes sense and I like it

[waxen grove]

passive? did we play the same map? that one was quite aggressive when we played it. and we played it 3 or 4 times

[glacial fjord]

i think we also need to consider the factor this update is a huge graphical stepup from UE4 to what is it? 5.3?

[fringe vault]

On my playthrofuht he crackheads often ran away or would often be passive non compilant with you for a few seconds before finally surrendering after a bit or just tasinf them

[glacial fjord]

late to the party sorry, this is just my view on the performance complaints

[fringe vault]

the only aggressive guys were the looters and even then, sometimes they also did the passive non complaint thing of not shooting at you and slowly backing up

[drifting sand]

I'd say it'd be better to have stunning be a bigger part of the gameplay.

So if you shoot someone at high stress, and they're someone who doesn't have a deathwish, they become much more likely to surrender, with more "painful" shots (such as hollow points) offering a great increase to the chance to surrender (on account of pain).

Personally, I wish there was a "pain" meter that affected enemy reactions and decisions.

[tall harness]

They act more scared on gas too

[waxen grove]

graphical step up? looks the same to me. was only glad to get heads and not tails because it seems everyone who landed on tails got worse preformance.