👮ron-discussion

[hasty venture]

they're just kinda there and never explained

[ionic gale]

The gun used in the MP17

[ionic gale]

I never really understood that, I thought that it was going to be almost a tutorial mission where you would have to learn about de-escalating civilians and clearing without any hostiles

[modest bear]

damn looks like I didn't have the supporter edition

[ionic gale]

But there is just dudes with guns there,

Somebody may say that it’s unnecessary and they’re just there just for us to have something to fight, but meh

[modest bear]

guess I'll buy

[quick jacinth]

DDM4 is .300 blk

meta if you can control the recoil

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it makes sense

[paper herald]

Guys is it worth it?

[cursive sphinx]

How do I fix my driver

[ionic gale]

Imagine the streamer mission was like the first mission that you went through

No enemies it was just civilians and a false alarm with Michael and it taught you room clearing and stuff like that

[pale marten]

Does anyone have the evidence for narcos?

[ionic gale]

Well, I’m pretty sure that they just either replaced it with the dude with guns or it was in the original plans all along

[short hearth]

I'm willing to testify against them if it helps.

[modest bear]

is there any way to do missions as raids rather than barricaded suspects? I wanna shoot things

[mellow hawk]

Guys... Is the glass penetrable to us now?

[ionic gale]

Nah

There was game modes for certain missions, but that was removed in early access

[unkempt mountain]

are headshots fixed or can npcs still survive a shot straight through the brain

[unkempt mountain]

rip bomb and hostage on gas station

[jolly verge]

Headshots multipliers now 6x instead of 3x (still 3x on slug and buckshot), so there should not be incap anymore

[pale marten]

Can you not get into the safe room?

[hasty venture]

i mean it would make more sense with the furry as the only hostile

[modest bear]

yeah I was there that's why I asked

[shy tulip]

Nein, I would not trust most players in the safe room anyway

[hasty venture]

and having that as the first mission as opposed to the gas station

[ionic gale]

Yeah

It doesn’t really bother me, but I seriously thought that it was going to be some tutorial mission, but they just decided to put some dudes with guns there

[analog flare]

let me do my dirty thoughts that i cant do irl

[ionic gale]

I’m guessing that it’s Michael’s goons or something

[true panther]

New DLC maps are pretty nice, good variety of environments and the new mansion really is a much better 'rich mansion' map than Valley of the Dolls.

[shy tulip]

the chandelier goes hard

makes the cag in me come out

[true panther]

Pro-tip for the new mansion map, don't use the new SMG/pistol-carbine, the suspects definitely have armor and 9mm AP does NOT cut it

[analog flare]

New mansion is Old style mansion. Valley of Dolls is the definition of modern mansion

[analog flare]

why even use pistol caliber primaries? The secondary pistols are enough lol

[true panther]

I feel like it sprawls better than Valley, valley you kind of just clear top to bottom but with the new mansion there are so many different directions to clear with

[analog flare]

True

[true panther]

especially helps that it feels like, at least for my runs so far, the majority of suspects spawn and stay up on the 3rd floor but you have a decent mix down below that keep you on your toes

[ionic gale]

I would like to muck around with them

[dry vapor]

i love getting lit up through walls and flashbangs and C4 breach affects morale like zero now? Civvies instantly get up and run off. 🥴

[ionic gale]

I think it’s sad that it doesn’t have full auto at all which I mean it makes sense it’s literally just a sig in fancy ass furniture

[gilded mural]

why the hell is the update 56 gb?

[ionic gale]

The entire engine has been changed

[gilded mural]

ohhh

[ionic gale]

Unreal engine four to unrealengine five

[gilded mural]

oh fuck.

even more lag? thats what mostly happens with switches to ue5

[ionic gale]

I mean, performance issues has been some problems. People have been saying.

[modest bear]

which weapon is the most powerful per-shot?

[stone bay]

lowkey i have to write a thesis over the course of my 11th/12th year and using voids "creative" methods of storytelling is a huge contender for it

[acoustic ridge]

shotgun

[modest bear]

which one

[ionic gale]

The SA 58 I would say

[stone bay]

taser :>

[ionic gale]

7.62x51mm stops any suspect in this game e

[true panther]

Yeah it is cool but relative to the SMGs it's functionally pointless, just use the TMP in semi for the same experience. IIRC the TMP should be even shorter even with a suppressor because of it's unique stubby suppresor

[ionic gale]

Exactly, it’s more of just a little novel gun to mess around with

[stone bay]

personally i used it once and when a suspect ate an entire mag of it i just put it back in the armory

[true panther]

fun if you want to roleplay an officer who only happened to have his service pistol and the carbine/brace in his car or something idk lol

[ionic gale]

Yee

Flux Defense has funy ads btw

[sage aspen]

yo, how do you S tier 23 megabytes a second? ive completed all objectives (and soft ones), secured every hostile, civ and evidence, and completed the mission in 4 minutes and 30 seconds, and still only get A+ rank

[short hearth]

Don't kill anyone.

[ionic gale]

Did any one die or Incap?

[sage aspen]

3 suspects iirc

[vale kernel]

Hey guys I've got a little questions according to the mission progress in Practice Mode. If I solve a mission it still is "unsolved" after I'm back in the menu. Is this because you can only solve missions in Commander Mode?

[sage aspen]

guess im giving everyone beanbag shotguns

[ionic gale]

Bc you need to capture EVERY one live and well

[true panther]

pretty much this for all S-rank runs

[ionic gale]

No incapacitating anybody or killing anybody

What weapons do you think we should get in future updates?

[rough oriole]

minigun

[ionic gale]

Ofc the M14 is a popular suggestion here

[short hearth]

SAG 545, or any 545 calibre weapons.

[ionic gale]

A SG 550 series rifle would be kewl

[delicate tree]

Ok wow the new ai update is super noticable

[ionic gale]

Maybe an actual Staccato type gun or sum

[wet forge]

has there been any update on AI reaction time?? I'm sure it's been talked about a lot, but there is an extremely unforgiving timeframe between when they aim and when they fire

[quick jacinth]

Been a issue since alpha

[crude blaze]

yeah kinda

[delicate tree]

It seems like they changed something about how they respond in gun fights, every fight I get into now the ai have been taking cover more actively and moving around more

[quick jacinth]

Basically the AI can react within 1/16th of a second iirc

[crude blaze]

it depends on the map now i think the crackheads in the new dlc map that i forgot the name of seem pretty slow

[ruby portal]

is it just me or is the usp small

[wet forge]

the hesitation helps, but there still needs to be a timeframe

its way too fast and way too unforgiving, stress or not

[stone bay]

has to do with the stress mechanics

[wet forge]

i really hope that they do something, it doesn't feel good at all with how fast they end up firing on you with such accuracy

[stone bay]

depends on the suspect honestly

a trained cartel hitman or a private security grunt would have that fast reaction time and accuracy, but crackheads definitely shouldnt

[wet forge]

even on 23mb it felt unfair

and those are just like, unexperienced mfs guarding a server

[crude blaze]

the crackheads feel slower

atleast on dorms they felt really slow compared to the dudes on the mansion map

[ionic gale]

I understand that meth gets your adrenaline pumping

[shy tulip]

I love narcos so much because of ||the informant||

[ionic gale]

I heard stories about cops who have to literally dump a magazine into them before they go down…

Don’t do drugs kids

[crude blaze]

real

[shy tulip]

they also got a rifle with a drum mag which is hilarious

[crude blaze]

man when they start shooting they keep you pinned for a good bit cause of that lol

[shy tulip]

A lesson in not peeking out

[crude blaze]

yeah when they start shooting i try to flashbang em

[stone bay]

taking this one out of context

[crude blaze]

keyword try cause 9 times out of 10 i get domed

[stone bay]

fucking narco just taught me a new lesson in checking corners

[modern tendon]

Does anyone know where the balaclavas are in customization?

[crude blaze]

the new maps apart from dorms are pretty hard ngl

[ionic gale]

For some reason, they’re not a cosmetic items they’re actually a character that you equip

[waxen grove]

soooooo is it ready?

[ionic gale]

Apparently issues with clipping and the mask looking weird as a cosmetic item or something

[modern tendon]

Which one?

[analog flare]

Echo

[waxen grove]

is prefromence better or worse

[analog flare]

Worse depending on map

[waxen grove]

explain

[analog flare]

I find the HQ much better than in previous update, much more stable less stuttering. Lower fps overall though

[modern tendon]

Thanks

[true panther]

Worse in the sense that I think everyone will take a small FPS hit but the FPS stays much more consistent unless a flash goes off(still get spikes when that happens) but the visual fidelity as a whole went up a ton

[waxen grove]

oh so its almost as if the port ot ue 5 did more damage then good to preformance

[crude blaze]

well the issue is compiling shaders

[waxen grove]

they had one job

[fallen ivy]

She Ready on my Or until I Not

[silk sail]

[crude blaze]

the shaders have to compile again because of the new engine which caused some issues but preformance should be a bit better second go around

[waxen grove]

and that job was not dlc

[stone bay]

Kek

[ionic gale]

[fallen ivy]

Pretty much, game look good now but fps is dead for a few people

[stone bay]

out of curiosity spoiler warning for narcos || did they gouge his eyes out or just cut his face up real bad ||

[tight canyon]

does the game have to be on ultra to not look shit?

[shy tulip]

I want to say the second one

[tight canyon]

am i missing some setting''

[shy tulip]

What does it look like

[stone bay]

its hard to tell because his eyes are shut but hes holding his face

[tight canyon]

blurry af on high settings

[stone bay]

i play on medium to avoid stuttering and it looks good for me

[tight canyon]

textures not loading at all

[stone bay]

blurry i.e. textures or motion blur?

[stone bay]

thats not a graphic settings related thing if textures just arent loading,

[ionic gale]

I feel like the main problem is that some peoples graphics cards are probably not gonna run it well

[stone bay]

I'm on high and it still looks good.

[lost rover]

So if they're a character i can't use them in practice mode?

[ionic gale]

I have a NVIDIA RTX somewhere in the 3000 series and I hope that it would run good

[tight canyon]

yeah i have no idea ill figure it out. I had no issues before the update

[stone bay]

my 1070 runs fine, and honestly, what can you expect? i understand the logic of a game for one is a game for none but if your hardware is old then theres nothing you can do other than upgrade

[ionic gale]

No, you can’t

[fading magnet]

Yeah, for sure. It was a good change in my opinion

[shy tulip]

If you have a chip that isn't a 13/14th gen intel, you should be fineee..

[fading magnet]

My 3070 runs the game great on ultra settings

[silk sail]

overheats

[tight canyon]

i had it in direct x 12 by accident

[lost rover]

They should probably fix that then, I've been waiting for balaclavas forever

[ionic gale]

A 3070 or 80 is something I got but I haven’t checked

[stone bay]

ive been calling this shit since 1.0 launch, for some reason ron performance issues seem to target higher end systems, not lower end

[fading magnet]

Should I use dx11 or dx12 with this update?

[ionic gale]

Yueh they should, it’s dumb

[ionic gale]

Probably direct X 11

[shy tulip]

It's not RoN specific it seems. From what I'm hearing, those chips are just kinda ass.

Issues with heating or something like that, idk

[stone bay]

also something interesting ive learned is that in the case of intels i3/i5/i7/i9 system, i guess the designation is dependent on how well that CPU came off the line

[fading magnet]

Dx12 is the default now

[stone bay]

thats not good for whats supposed to be new

also, more narcos shit || did they cut his balls off or is his thang just hanging out for fun||

[ionic gale]

You can switch it to DX11 in the properties and launch options ofc

[waxen grove]

soooo the issues are still here and have gotten worse . . .

[lost rover]

Somebody just released a mod so you can use the balaclavas in single player LMAO

[ionic gale]

thank you citizen

[fading magnet]

Downloading

[ionic gale]

Whoever that dark crusader is

[shy tulip]

the second one

[stone bay]

oh, also is that barbed wire around his area

[stuck nebula]

So DLC dropped and my power went out, thanks America.
Is the new DLC a buunch of new maps with pretty much the same "mission" based gameplay, or an open world deal, or what?

[crude blaze]

my 3090ti ran it fine directx 12 gave me a slight fps boost

[shy tulip]

It's 3 new maps butt.. different enough I'd say

[stone bay]

3 new maps with their own distinct little mini storylines, theyre all done very well but narco absolutely takes the cake

[waxen grove]

did we get the modding sdk with this update?

[stone bay]

ill tldr it for you without spoiling anything, void was not afraid to really lean into "player discretion is advised" when making narco

[ionic gale]

I should really start knowing what my specs are

I’m a pleb fr fr

[stone bay]

pleb 🤓

[ionic gale]

Where can I find that in my Bindows settings?

[fading magnet]

Is it one of the new maps?

[stone bay]

yes

[fading magnet]

All I noticed was the one guy, did I miss something

[stone bay]

wdym

[fading magnet]

Was there more nudity than I thought?

[stone bay]

did you play it already?

[floral bramble]

did they remove the gore system for normal guns (as in non shotgun rifles and pistols)

[fading magnet]

Yeah, there was the one tortured guy

[stone bay]

i mean yea kinda intense lol

[fading magnet]

I wasn’t very happy about that by the way, but that’s a tangent. It just looked like cloth clipping to me though

[stone bay]

for people who arent completely desensitized by liveleak and instagram reels anyways, which includes me

[ionic gale]

Uh I didn’t really notice any Gore with any of those guns

[stone bay]

could be your graphics settings but ||his dick is literally hanging out||

[fading magnet]

But if he was actually naked then that is… well, not good

[ionic gale]

The Shotguns definitely hit hard though, and those are fun to use

[fading magnet]

Rip. That was my least favorite of the new dlc maps anyways.

[stone bay]

what 😭

[quick jacinth]

Very

unless the target is wearing armor about lvl 2 in which case have fun dumping 6 slugs into them

[stone bay]

im trying to find the least weird way to say that narco was my favorite map because of how unfearful they were to go all in on it

[fading magnet]

I probably won’t be playing it again until mod puts some clothes on the guy

[stone bay]

first map in the game to actually bring out a feeling of disgust which was the point

[tight canyon]

did they increase recoil??

[ionic gale]

From what I’m hearing, apparently some of these maps are going to have some really fucked up ppls

[fading magnet]

I don’t need my game to do that. I know it happens.

[stone bay]

have you played early access ron?

[fading magnet]

I hope there is a clean mod at some point.

[ionic gale]

Yeah

[stone bay]

you cant really play a game like ron and then expect it to be clean

[ionic gale]

I had the game for like 2 years almost I think

[stone bay]

there was literally piles of bodies on neon lol

[ionic gale]

Yeah I know lol

[golden birch]

does the update not support previous saves? Just seems like my save/career is gone, even though Steam cloud is active.

[fading magnet]

I’m not saying that. I’m just saying that I’d prefer it if someone had a mod that removed the stuff some of us feel less comfortable with.

[ionic gale]

I’m looking at my hours and holy crap I’m about to hit 200 hours with this game

[shy tulip]

Did your game crash or did you delete anything file wise?

[stone bay]

thats sort of the point of ron

isnt their entire thing showing the player what these teams deal with in the real world

[ionic gale]

Yeah, that’s sort of a thing about this game

[golden birch]

I've previously formatted a fresh Windows install since I last played, but cloud didn't load up anything from before like most games.

[stone bay]

with a healthy amount of embellishment*

[shy tulip]

Funky

[fading magnet]

I love everything about it except how frankly pornographic at times it seems. I respect it and get it, but there is a reason that my grandpa who did this job keeps many stories to himself. Some things the world doesn’t need to know

[stone bay]

fair enough

[ionic gale]

When I first saw the basement in Voll’s house I was about to have to have a meeting with TOC to find out why Voll was found KIA executed

That was against the roe so I had to hold it in

[stone bay]

void in all their past mistakes has found a truly horrifying (in a good way) way to tell stories

[ionic gale]

Some people call it violent imagery for the sake of violent imagery, but I don’t know if I really believe that

[fading magnet]

If it had more of a storyline, the art would feel more appropriate

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the storyline is sort of lacking… it’s a skeleton where it could have so much more like squishy organs, and flesh

[fading magnet]

Right now without a proper campaign it just makes me struggle to see the point, putting aside my other thoughts.

I love the game but it should have had a proper storyline… maybe one day

[stone bay]

that kinda cycles back to my point though; these teams deal with these things in the real world (albeit not as often as RON depicts) with very little buildup to it, these officers could literally walk into a proverbial morgue without knowing it

[ionic gale]

I wonder if a true storyline would’ve even worked for this game

it looks like that they already set up a narrative so they can’t back out of it now, but I wonder that sometimes

[fading magnet]

We’re kinda left to come up with a story for ourselves.

[stone bay]

void seems to have gone with the idea of following multiple different short storylines, think their little way too dedicated dive into the cp storyline, the cartel storylibe, the dark side of los suenos & the human trafficking

[ionic gale]

SWAT 4 was nonlinear in a way and didn’t really have a storyline, but was still good fun with the missions having their own little contained stories

[desert ether]

man where are these soft objectives in dormitory

[golden birch]

oh well, not the end of the world - it was a 100% career, with most achievements, but I woudl still like to complete Ironman anyway

[buoyant fern]

Something that i dont really get about RON is the scoring system. The Devs dont want us to kill people but also face the horrible realities of combat like putting the lives of your team mates and civilians on the line to save someone's life that is trying to end someone else's. The game seems to lean heavily into the harsh realities of combat but doesn't really seem to understand why people get killed and that it can be justified if its to save someone else. If you pick up a gun and point it at a officer with the intent to kill, your life is over. Thats it. That simple.

[stone bay]

do you want me to tell you

[desert ether]

yes, going crazy lmao

[fading magnet]

Mods fix this but really we’re needed

[stone bay]

see thats one thing i agree with; voids "perfect" mission involves not firing a single shot, but what they dont realize is that to have a perfect mission you need to have perfect conditions

[ionic gale]

Like I’m sorry if you point a Glock at one of my boys you’re gonna get 556 to the chest bro

[stone bay]

|| in the little religious area with the preaching altar/stand, if you walk up to it theres a bong and some pills that you can report ||

[stone bay]

to have voids idea of a perfect mission you'd need to have 100% cooperative suspects that dont even consider aiming their gun at an officer of the law; in reality, a perfect mission is one where no one dies or gets hurt unnecessarily

[mint falcon]

hey the world is fucked but YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU CANT BEEEEEEEEEE
why?
because points i guess

[stone bay]

i kinda wish there was a better way to give suggestions & feedback to void outside of an overflowing discord forum

[mint falcon]

i guess the "s" rank is just a side thing, main way people are gonna approach this game is probably take the normal guns, and breach

[ionic gale]

I understand this is a video game and for many parts we have to suspend our disbelief, but this is something that is interesting to talk about

[stone bay]

no yea i plan on using void in my ib thesis

[mint falcon]

what's that

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I rarely go non-lethal

[stone bay]

the program im in requires a 5000 word thesis related to one of the subjects youre taking over the course of your 11/12th year

[ionic gale]

I do it sometimes, but not often

[mint falcon]

the other day i just finished medal of valor, but i still do understand why anyone can take normal guns

[stone bay]

i plan on doing mine based on how videogame developers abuse human psychology in their storytelling

[mint falcon]

i mean not only is it easier, but also less restrictive, if they can shoot you with lethal force, why can't you?

[desert ether]

LSPD SWAT after killing a school shooter

[mint falcon]

is abuse the good word?
or are you onto something here

[stone bay]

elephant felt somewhat too clean/underwhelming, it didnt seem like there was enough panic and it honestly didnt feel like a map where there were people sprinting around for their lives

[ionic gale]

Like if there’s some crazy maniac that has shown to harm people I’m going to have to go and take him down

[stone bay]

im confused on what youre asking me

[mint falcon]

EXCUSE ME? i had failed my medal of valor approach many times because of dumb teens running into guns

[ionic gale]

Sure, I’ve taken a life, but it saved others, which is another point of talking with this type of stuff

[mint falcon]

also it's not like as if you just barged in and shot the man, you'd probably use first flashbangs and order him down

[stone bay]

no i mean the actual map design; i understand that they needed to be extremely careful when making elephant but it more seemed like the shooters walked into a half empty wing of a college rather than came in during the school day and started shooting people

[ionic gale]

Yee

[mint falcon]

even after he's just gonna get shot if he dosen't comply, that's how the real world operates

[mint falcon]

didn't you see the bodies?

[stone bay]

it didnt carry the weight that we were all expecting (or i was expecting) like neon or narco did

[livid sluice]

On what map?

[ionic gale]

If I do try to genuinely do S ranks then I will take these due to, but usually I will fire at these school shooters

[mint falcon]

or did you expect something like in the night club?

[stone bay]

dorm

[stone bay]

i was definitely expecting something more like nightclub, especially when going into a populated city college\

[wet forge]

is anyone else having a problem where hitreg is just not working??

[ionic gale]

These wet wipes of human beings have shown that they will hurt people so I’m going to have to use lethal force

[livid sluice]

Which one is “dorm”

[mint falcon]

elephant

[stone bay]

elephant felt very cut and dry "go in and shoot them, then leave" rather than telling an actual story, granted it did have a tie-in to an overarcing plot

[frigid shell]

I don’t see it as an option. If anyone can please test it out and see if it works

[livid sluice]

Oh, alright thanks

[mint falcon]

what about

the bombs?

[wet forge]

my buddy and i keep shooting people and we feel like they're just not hitting

[stone bay]

the new dlc map, dorm, idk what the other dudes talking about but thats what i was referring to

[livid sluice]

Ohhhh alright alright

[mint falcon]

whoops
forgor a map like that just got added
mb
forgive me the dlc has been only out for one day

[stone bay]

🤷 theyre just kinda there, when i was clearing it they felt more like an additional nuisance rather than a major part of the map

what wouldve been interesting and this is more reaching than anything is to have a section where a bomb had already gone off

[mint falcon]

yeah that's on void's part sometimes only one person is just guarding the bomb which i find funny

[ionic gale]

I heard that the school map is based on the columbine massacre which was a big event in school, shooting history

[stone bay]

doing this wouldve given far more weight to the other explosives

[night pasture]

hearing suspects and civs talk to each other is so cool to me lmao

[ionic gale]

I heard that the two perpetrators were going to plant bombs to cause even more death, but I don’t know if that ever went through

[desert ether]

the name of the map is Elephant which is based off a 2000's short film which was based on columbine

[mint falcon]

yes

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I was going to mention that movie too

[stone bay]

elephant is absolutely inspired by columbine which is why void had to be so careful with it, and im not sure if its just them not doing a great job on the storytelling in elephant or the fact that they had to be so careful but the map just doesnt hit the same as neon

[mint falcon]

how to make a school level without many controversies popping up?
base it on a movie
fucking genius

[stone bay]

neon is definitely something, hearing the phones ringing on the dead bodies and just the absolute carnage caused by these people helps to really add weight to the map and the storyline it follows

[mint falcon]

don't you guys remember how ready or not got much shit from just WANTING to have a school level?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, that was a big point of controversy, especially in the early access days

[honest path]

wait you cant play new maps in commander mode

[stone bay]

they got dropped by their publisher over it

[mint falcon]

yeah honestly cringe
only multi or training

[honest path]

wtf

i mean im still probably gonna buy it but wtf

[stone bay]

@shy tulip caught yo ass lacking stalking the chat, whats your opinion on elephant? do you think they did a good job on the storytelling?

[mint falcon]

im gonna publish a game with a dark take about society

holy shit the game about society is dark
imma head out

[ionic gale]

I knew that it wasn’t going to truly be the school map Void wanted

[unkempt mountain]

elephant level is underwhelming as hell

[shy tulip]

I think from a realism perspective, yes. But people don't really like it because of how easy the Ai could be with good RNG. For me though I like, it creeps me out because it reminds me so much of colleges I've visited/attended.

[dim swallow]

played the narcos map, breached through the back door of the house only to get lasered by someone i cant see but only hear, never change void, never change.

[honest path]

the publisher didnt drop them because of the school map

[ionic gale]

A big part of this game is showing the realities of the world and police agencies deal with this

[mint falcon]

maybe that's why it's so bad, because void was already was too careful

[stone bay]

interesting, my opinion on it is that they couldve done a little more to showcase the gravity of the situation

[fading magnet]

Question, are trailer units finally working?

[hallow dew]

As far as I understand that there might be some technical issues with maps in single player... I don't understand where can be the problem with balaclavas? XD Like... Why????

Anyway, that's entirely weird because usually multiplayer is harder than singleplayer so it's weird they didn't add it on singleplayer first

[unkempt mountain]

the problem is that the school shooting already finished before you arrived
the ai just sit around and a scripted timer kills them. i think ive seen the suspects shoot at civs like once

[stone bay]

i find it funny how void has to be extremely careful with a school shooting map when theres far more graphic and offputting scenery in the game

[jovial frigate]

Have yall seen the shotgun blasts to the face it’s wild

[honest path]

this is so true, having 4 shooters AND bombs also ruins it

[mint falcon]

that's how society works, void got a green light over anything else but school shooting?????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dim swallow]

4 shooters with armor and doped up health too

[stone bay]

id rather it be a race against the clock; walking in on a suspect thats currently kicking doors in and hunting for civilans carries a lot more weight then "hey look, theres a suspect casually walking down that hall!"

[mint falcon]

how dare you critisize the great united states of america????

[ionic gale]

Trafficking and all that stuff is something that isn’t really covered all that much in the public media but school shootings is definitely are

[dim swallow]

either my friend was a terrible shot or one of the suspects tanked like 5 rounds of 5.56 from a wild burst of fire

[ionic gale]

Mass shootings are big televised event so it’s sort of different but also at the same time not?

[mint falcon]

honestly im dissapointed.

[floral bramble]

publishing a club shooting on the anniversary of an irl shooting ? that's just kinda weird but stzill fineig /s

[desert ether]

the teenage shooters with the muscle mass of a 8th grader will still laser a trained beefy swat guy through a wall because they have big ears i guess

[ionic gale]

We also don’t know much about the psychology of these dudes

[floral bramble]

nah you see they are on drugs so clearly thatÄ's the reason

[mint falcon]

swat man with 12 years of experience vs angry man with gun

[ionic gale]

Is there much environmental storytelling on why these suspects could’ve done something like this to the school?

[stone bay]

Where is the old man visitor npc? Is he safe? Is he alright?

[ionic gale]

Probably mental health problems since that is a big part of mass shootings, like this with the psychology of the perpetrators

[unkempt mountain]

lets be real
void are just idiots lmao

[desert ether]

theyre on antidepressants

[mint falcon]

yeah i mean we got the facebook post
antidepressants
uhh that's it i guess

[stone bay]

i think if void leaned a bit more in to their currently ongoing mini storyarcs it would be something; for example, the cp storyline adds up to taking down the "big bad" (voll)
(for reference, my going theory on the chain of events is 23mb > mindjot > brixley > doll house)

[desert ether]

mental health issues & teenage angst

[dim swallow]

idk why but the Dorms suspects feel fair to fight, havent tried Mansion and i got lasered immediately in Narcos

[mint falcon]

teenage? i mean we're in collage

[desert ether]

18-19

[stone bay]

whereas the trafficking storyline amounts to this big raid at hokan but doesnt really have an ending, rather leaving more questions than answers (although they could be carrying on with this)

[ionic gale]

Getting a little bit real here, I find it dumb that the media is trying to ban guns and other violence shit like that

[night pasture]

the mansion is super fun

[ionic gale]

Where they should be most importantly, be tackling mental health issues with these people, but they don’t want to have a serious conversation about that

[night pasture]

just be ready to deal with hostage taking lol

[stone bay]

mansion was a real aimtrainer for me

[mint falcon]

hey guys how do you manage to deal with hostage taking when you're going non-lethal

[compact halo]

So like how do I start a home invasion mission?

[mint falcon]

do you use a launcher? a stinger? a launcher with a stinger?

[stone bay]

|| finding the family wouldve carried a bit more weight if there was an actual interaction with them outside of a panic room PA system ||

[desert ether]

excessive amounts of pepperball or flashbangs

[mint falcon]

or do you pull out your side arm and just fucking shoot the civ who cares

[mint falcon]

AH FUCK ACTUAL SPOILERS BEHIND THE SPOILER THINGY NOOOOOOOO

[night pasture]

I love that the room location is random

[stone bay]

thats what theyre there for

[mint falcon]

only 40 mins and i am gonna play the dlc i guess
i did this to myself

[desert ether]

when the 23 megabytes map came out did yall expect there to be no suspects or was it just me

[ionic gale]

I was talking about that a few minutes ago

[mint falcon]

why

[stone bay]

no like this was exactly my chain of thought

[ionic gale]

I really thought that it was going to be a tutorial type mission but now they just put some dudes with guns and just said that they were guarding Michael’s precious shit coin

[mint falcon]

am i missing something here?

[ionic gale]

I think it would’ve been cool for it to be the first mission instead of 4U

[compact halo]

How do you start a home invasion mission?

[desert ether]

yea i thought michael wouldve been the only guy with a gun maybe

[ionic gale]

Idk I haven’t played it yet

[mint falcon]

are you in commander?

[stone bay]

lemme explain my thinking:

basically, voids goal is to depict what swat teams go through irl. my idea when seeing the trailer for 23mb (which showed no suspects, just a team clearing some empty server farms and dragging michael out by the ass) was that they were going to breach and clear acting more as a search warrant, come in, and take down michael, no shots fired, like how calls in the real world sometimes go.

[stone bay]

Same way as normal. There's just a tab next to base game up top for mission select

[mint falcon]

ah trailer
didnt see it

[ionic gale]

And then they would have found the cheese pizza which would kickstart the kid diddling storyline

[nova pagoda]

will they make the new DLC maps playable in commander mode?

[stone bay]

the thing that i would love love love to see most in ron is some calls that dont require or even suggest to you killing anyone

[mint falcon]

no
[for now..?]

[stone bay]

you can say cp here, void knows whats in their game

[ionic gale]

Oh, I’m just saying it just to say it

[mint falcon]

they should i guess

[desert ether]

saying cheese pizza is more fun

[solid laurel]

I havent read the patch notes, did they change the lighting?

[ionic gale]

I think the game looks a bit more prettier with the new engine update

[compact halo]

I saw that but mine is not clicking at all lol

[desert ether]

kinda i dont really notice a huge change but theres some difference in shaders

[ionic gale]

Greased palms is a map. I have a mixed relationship with.

[compact halo]

yes

[ionic gale]

The only time I had fun on the map was when I had a modded tack 7000 which I got through a weapon unlock her and I just started spewing spicy balls at everyone with a gun

[stone bay]

my going theory for why the dlc isnt in the main campaign is that:

• The DLC takes place in the time period during/directly after hurricane antonio hits los suenos. The campaign itself (although not obvious) follows a timeline to the exact date, which means that they cant just go into that timeline and say "Oh, by the way, a hurricane happened during this time."

[desert ether]

they removed the stupid post processing like film grain and vignette and im so happy

[hallow dew]

I don't care much about SP since I mostly play MP but I understand your disappointment. That's very weird decision again.

All people want is... Polished update, there could be like few features less but if update was polished, finished for real, without "known issues" and the problem with maps/balaclavas missing in SP, people would give much more positive reviews and overall rating would be better

[mint falcon]

you can't then

[ionic gale]

I feel like there was too much glare and especially the flashlight being way too damn bright to the point that you can’t even see some of the optics

[rough oriole]

anyone had significant performance increases by dropping settings in latest update, or is the baseline processing requirement just really thirsty?

[mint falcon]

welcome to new engine hope you enjoy your stay

[compact halo]

How else do you play this game then lol, practice XD

[stone bay]

i will admit this: void does bring it home on a good portion of the maps in the game, but alot of maps (especially lsps) feel very cut and dry. im not sure if thats on purpose, but its a thing.

[mint falcon]

yes.
actually by practice.
or multiplayer.
i'm not joking.

[desert ether]

when 1.0 dropped and i booted the game up i was like "why the hell is it so grainy?" turns out it was just the stupid post processing void added lol

[rough oriole]

cries in top of the line 2017 PC

[compact halo]

whhhattttt that's dumb

[stone bay]

this is going to sound really dumb but void is a little too conservative with some of the maps and stories in some cases

[ionic gale]

Huh?

[mint falcon]

i just wanted to enjoy the first dlc, i mean i was just finished with the game content and was really ready for the new thingies, even though i was really sleepy till 9 pm [that's when it was releasing in my country] i pushed through, only to find out it's gonna come out at fucking 1 am

[solid laurel]

You want to practice in commander mode?

[shy tulip]

They say as one of the maps is the cartel face styling someone

[desert ether]

kinda like elephant not having a soundtrack which in turn makes the map feel bland and underwhelming

[ionic gale]

Wdym

[mint falcon]

trust me i'm even more scared, i haven't launched the game yet
i'm still waiting for it to update

[ionic gale]

I feel like the lack of a soundtrack was supposed to be that you could hear the sounds of people dying and gunshots, but don’t quote me on that

[mint falcon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic gale]

It was supposed to make the map probably a bit more visceral, but meh idk? I don’t work for void.

[desert ether]

nah its just cause void thought it would be too offensive

[rough oriole]

they say one map is this guy ... willam after and he.. and so theres a pizza place - that parts ok - but what willam after DID at the pizza place is GRR is really bad! so he made this fredbear named five freddy nights and he GRR he KILL and STUFF a child in the fredbear suit ARGH and basically you need to stay there for fortnites...

[ionic gale]

That could probably be another reason lol

[mint falcon]

what

[rough oriole]

what are your rig specs?

[stone bay]

spoiler warnings since im giving examples

|| on mansion, they build this idea of these eco terrorists breaking into this oil giants house. but instead of killing him or going after his family, they kinda just walk around and paint the place. if they were genuinely going for it, they'd of shot the oil giant. something thats more of a personal opinion of mine is that a very shocking image wouldve been walking into the panic room to find a deceased family of four.||

||on lsps, we're coming in to serve this big arrest & search warrant on a federal agent and his buddies, but theres no real interaction with any of them. theyre either like the fisa agent, who just shoots at you, or the fatass who just surrenders. theres nothing actually in the lsps map that serves the greater overarcing plot||

[mint falcon]

16gb ram, AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor, AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT

windows 10
username: yes

[desert ether]

my pc specs are above the recommended specs for the game now and i suffer with 40-50 frames on most maps with tweaked custom settings to improve performance further

[ionic gale]

I need to check my specs

[rough oriole]

what resolution and fps is your target

[mint falcon]

anything above 30 fps and 1680x1200
iirc
i had to downgrade from 1920x1080

[rough oriole]

you... had to downgrade from 1080p?

[stone bay]

one other thing, ||mansion reminds me of an episode of black mirror. these hippie dippies break into a house for reasons mentioned in the episode, and massacre the entire family because of the monarch/fathers actions. the difference is, in mansion, the "eco terrorists" are effectively doing what just stop oil does but with AKMs, and only try to kill anyone when theyre provoked by SWAT||

[mint falcon]

i had really big problems on that resolution

[rough oriole]

why 💀 graphics card specific error or something?

[desert ether]

i am 1440p tho

[mint falcon]

no
fucking lag spikes

[stone bay]

basically tldr for my yapfest, void seems very flip floppy on when they choose to go all out and shock the player or the flipside be really underwhelming/conservative

[mint falcon]

the game was insufferable, but i downgraded and it ran good

[rough oriole]

weird unless you have stuff open at the same time. i keep it to discord and the game (and steam) and thats it otherwise ur gonna spike

[ionic gale]

Hmm

[mint falcon]

not 60 fps stable, but enough for me to play and have fun

[rough oriole]

u shoulda been fine 1080p at 60fps on epic settings tbh

[stone bay]

id honestly love to talk with a void dev at some point just to learn about their reasoning and motives for their map design choice

[mint falcon]

what.

[rough oriole]

yeah im never stable either but i grew up playing games on an i3 integrated graphics laptop so im used to it llol

[rough oriole]

yeah before this update with a 1080 and an i7 7700k (4 core) and 16gb ram i was running an unstable 50-75fps at 1080p

[mint falcon]

don't get me wrong i also had to deal with bad hardware but honestly only warzone has bigger problems than ready or not

bf2042 is running nicely on 1080p with medium settings

[rough oriole]

that game i think ran like dookie for me

[desert ether]

the voice acting on some of the 911 calls are so good

[mint falcon]

fuck warzone ngl

[ionic gale]

The School map especially has some 911 calls that are like

I had a pit in my stomach, listening to them ngl

[rough oriole]

lagzone

[desert ether]

some of the 911 calls on elephant are based off columbine sooo

thats probably why

[ionic gale]

Yeah, they are mainly why I take down those school shooters

[stone bay]

theres something that they did right with elephant

[vale hemlock]

how do u put on new balaclava

[ionic gale]

I don’t negotiate with terrorists, and these dudes are not very nice people

[mint falcon]

only multiplayer 😄

[vale hemlock]

ty!

[ionic gale]

Yee

[stoic vortex]

imagine tactical rain poncho for dlc

[stone bay]

im glad we've converted this channel into actually discussing ron 🙏

[mint falcon]

guys what's 2+2

[hallow dew]

Haha, same here. I had to go to sleep angry af. And I wanted new things too, i already have 208h in this game, I finished every map with S rank. I really really needed bugfixes, QoL improvements and new features

[ionic gale]

North Dakota

[stone bay]

in an infinite universe of an infinite multiverse it could be anything

[mint falcon]

yes

[leaden warren]

why is the update so giant?? For me its almost as large as the game

[vale hemlock]

it always does that

[desert ether]

the view from law maker's side entry is beautiful

[mint falcon]

you're. reinstalling. the. game.

it's a new engine.

[ionic gale]

The entire engine was revamped

UE 4 to UE 5

[mint falcon]

i like judge's character
fight me

[leaden warren]

Oh hell yeah

[long dew]

hey void if i can have more than 30 fps while playing dorm that would be nice

[leaden warren]

nvm i aint complaining, im here for the extra realism

[ionic gale]

He’s like the only swat member on the LSPD that actually has a backstory and seems to a set piece for voids bigger story of this game

[mint falcon]

only 20 minutes and im gonna shoot poor people looting only looking for survival yippeee

[ionic gale]

And the fact that he is theorized to a ||USIA Sleeper agent|| is interesting as well

[mint falcon]

lethal obsession vibes

[ionic gale]

The rest of the SWAT members need therapy after having to discharge their weapon once

David’s therapy is the pain & suffering of suspects

[mint falcon]

literally do one mission nonlethal and they're go from fucking depressed to being happy

[ionic gale]

Another point of contention is the entire mental health system, which that’s the entire can of peaches to open

[vale hemlock]

how do i enable hardware scheduling

[mint falcon]

enable it

[desert ether]

just started lawmaker and i know this map is a good one for swat '99 drip

[vale hemlock]

oh got it thanks g

[mint falcon]

np

i'm so helpful arent i

[ionic gale]

Like these are supposed to be SWAT members that are supposed to be tuff

I’m the only officer that doesn’t act like a weenie when I have to discharge 5.56 into a suspect’s upper abdomen

[mint falcon]

OH NO I HAVE TO DO MY JOB THAT'S STRESSFUL HOW DO I COPE
JUDGE PLS GIMMIE THERAPY OR I BECOME SAD

[mental fable]

Will there be any hotfixes tommorow or later ?

[ionic gale]

Considering that there’s a lot of complaints, I suspect a hot fix will probably be coming in in a few days

Maybe I’ll take a month or so, but I’m not sure

[mint falcon]

19 minutes and i get to shoot poor people who're looting out of desperation
yay

[floral bramble]

so still no balaclavas i assume?

[desert ether]

why is the blood smear on lawmaker's staircase so giant holy shit

thats the blood of like 5 different people

[mint falcon]

only in multiplayer

[mint falcon]

one man can make such smear
shoot the correct part of the body and you're good to go

[floral bramble]

ahdamn

[vale hemlock]

holy shit it looks so good

[mint falcon]

or stab

[ionic gale]

Also, I feel like that debility to just to choose a different officer in a slot kind of undermines the entire mental health system

[floral bramble]

i thought they brought their own blood at first to ruin his house more and to send a message

[ionic gale]

If my officer resigns or dies, I can just replace him with some other poor chap

[floral bramble]

like the pigs head for example

[dreamy garden]

or just play a single mission of 4u S rank

[mint falcon]

when an officer dies you have to live with it according to ron's policy

[ionic gale]

Granted, I don’t play commander mode that much and I only had a small amount of time put into it, but I have used it

[dreamy garden]

makes em as content as they can possibly be

[mint falcon]

ur supposed to just buckle up say well fuck that's the job and go on

of course that's not the correct way to go about it but that's lore problem now

about who the judge truly is.

||and his name is john cena||

[ionic gale]

Damn, I didn’t know that they let Weenie Hut JRs on the force

I feel like that the mental health system could use some improvement

[mint falcon]

hmm i dont have anything interesting to say anymore, time for stupid shit

why can't i kick a suspect in the balls to subdue him?

i guess i'll have to do with beanbags hitting suspect's balls

[stone bay]

This DLC has fulfilled my one requirement, and as such I feel it was worth $10

[mint falcon]

shoot people???

[stone bay]

have lots of doors to kick in

[ionic gale]

I’m genuinely concerned that this game is my most played

[mint falcon]

did you know you can actually make a person disoriented with kicking a door into a person??
as in in the game

[ionic gale]

Almost 200 fucking hours

[unkempt mountain]

did night vision get updated?
it looks sexy asf now with noisy flickering

[ionic gale]

Worf it tho

[vale hemlock]

man i got like 296 already

[ionic gale]

I haven’t used White Phosphorus NVGs in a while

[mint falcon]

so when ready or not x minecraft?

steve just running around in the map with a diamond sword

[vocal roost]

wheres the panic room on the 2nd dlc mission

[ionic gale]

When is the Ready or Not 6.9 date?

[mint falcon]

Whoa :p

[ionic gale]

awh can’t say it

The Freaky Update

[mint falcon]

Lightstick.

ram the door, toss a flashbang, clear it.

[stone bay]

I've had that happen once or twice.

[versed trail]

guys anyone played new update yet? is it worth buying dlc?

[mint falcon]

let's switch.

[ionic gale]

I bought it but I can’t play it rn

[mint falcon]

breaching-breaching!
flash!

[vocal roost]

ive been looking for the panic room for like 15 mins lmao cant find that mf

[mint falcon]

on the ground, now!

you motherfuckerrr

[mint falcon]

i've played too much of the hospital map

[rare estuary]

How's the update been for you all I just woke up

[versed trail]

same shit im hyped so much

[winter pendant]

I think the new maps are some of voids best work but since you can play the maps in a multiplayer lobby without owning dlc, you should buy it only if you're into single player imo.

[fringe siren]

that fucking mansion is wayyy too big I thought this dlc was supposed to have small maps like the beach house...

[versed trail]

just need to download with my poor internet💀

[mint falcon]

almost all of the dlc stuff not available in the singleplayer, clothes and new guns seem underwhelming, i've not played the maps yet but i'm hoping they're good, even if i have to go into practice to play it

balaclavas only equipable in multiplayer

[fringe siren]

the new pdw is exactly the same as the lvar but without an integral suppressor and cobalt color instead of coyote brown

[vale hemlock]

lmao real

[mint falcon]

i understand it's only 10$ but holy shit seems underwhelming before playing the new maps

[ionic gale]

these MK17 is a Sig P320 in a bougie house

[mint falcon]

i really do hope they make up of all of the things, if not i'm gonna be sad

[ionic gale]

It’s a neat smg but idk how good it is

[winter pendant]

Personally i like the pcc most out of the new guns

[vale hemlock]

just a flux raider kit with a p320 in it

[mint falcon]

only 5 minutes and i get to enjoy em

[winter pendant]

The m4 pdw kicks a bit hard for how stubby it is

[versed trail]

nah guys I only have 3mb per seconds thats so fkin bad😭

[slate ingot]

any1 know why the balaclavas are only in multiplayer?

[fringe siren]

in this game 300 blk has more armor pen, damage, and recoil than 5.56

[ionic gale]

Yeah I know the gun absolutely it looks kewl

[vale hemlock]

usually happens when you cut down a barrel on a rifle

[ionic gale]

In single player, you can only play as Judge

[winter pendant]

That is a big brain response ty

[ionic gale]

You can’t select voices or faces of any character in single player mode

[slate ingot]

uh aight

[vale hemlock]

never understood this

[slate ingot]

its prob about the story

[ionic gale]

I understand it for commander mode since he’s canonically the swat commander of the LSPD

[slate ingot]

Judge needs to learn more drip icl

[ionic gale]

But in practice mode it kinda gets thrown out the window ig

[rose wadi]

Practice mode is just normal mode. The name is silly

[ionic gale]

Ah

[vale hemlock]

ya i get it if youre playing the "story mode"

[winter pendant]

Practice mode is like swat 4 in that you're playing with the same officers every time

[fervent wren]

guys, how to start home invasi? already buy the dlc but i cant select it

[vale hemlock]

at top of mision selecion

[winter pendant]

Only works in practice mode rn, not commander

[rose wadi]

Are you in practice mode?

[fervent wren]

no....

[ionic gale]

Btw I love Girard, Jackson, Reynolds & Fields

[desert ether]

love when my game crashes when i find the active panic room in lawmaker

[rose wadi]

Its not in commander mode yet. Switch to practice mode to play

[ionic gale]

They can be the godfather of my children once all five of us retire

[winter pendant]

Me too. I loved getting their consistent personalities

[fervent wren]

so its actually not in main game............. just, wow

[rose wadi]

Practice mode is the main game. Its the normal story mode, and commander mode is the hardcore mode

[mint falcon]

OH
OH HOLY SHIT

[ionic gale]

There are many times where I wanted to pepper spray them because they would not listen due to the 2005 AI, but I still love those dudes

[winter pendant]

Agree, the names are misleading

[fervent wren]

bro i playing teh commander mode whole time, ok thanks for info then

[mint falcon]

that changes so much
so i've been playing the game wrong???

[vale hemlock]

bro who doesnt play this game for the multiplayer/practice

[mint falcon]

im gonna shoot myself brb

[rose wadi]

Nope. Play however is the most fun to you!

[floral bramble]

so i'm in a multiplayer lobby but can't find the balaclava anywhere?

[mint falcon]

im back
i thought the practice mode was just... to practice

[ionic gale]

I usually play solo, but once I get a better fucken microphone all star actually coordinating with my team in multiplayer

[winter pendant]

I love coming back to this discord to see people never ever happy ever

[vale hemlock]

theyre different characters

[fervent wren]

i do not know if practice/training/commander is difficult selection, i thought its like tutorial mode

[ionic gale]

I have been playing more multiplayer recently but sadly I’m bound to the chat box because my mic is crap

[rose wadi]

Oh, no not at all lol. You get all your unlockables and achievements and everything

[floral bramble]

oh i see

[fervent wren]

damn i play it all wrong thats why i dont unlock anything

[vale hemlock]

i got you gang

[ionic gale]

Except for like maybe two or three missions I never touched commander mode

[mint falcon]

since when i got the game i've been playing on commander mode
i thought it was the main campaign

[ionic gale]

I only play practice mode or I muck around with randoms in multiplayer

[rose wadi]

Yeah I never bothered with Commander mode.

[vale hemlock]

i almost always play a offline multiplayer lobby or with randos

[ionic gale]

What’s the point of commander mode kind of?

I understand it’s supposed to be a somewhat linear story but uhhhh it’s a little bit confoosing

[vale hemlock]

hardcore mode

[fervent wren]

me when i play multiplayer : my trolling urge is high so thats why i avoid it

[rose wadi]

Yeah it confused me too. The naming of the modes is... bad.

[ionic gale]

Iron Man is super Duper hard-core mode

[mint falcon]

yeah im going iron man now
without caring about the rating

[upbeat field]

Is commander mode hard bc there are objectives u have to follow??

[ionic gale]

Iron Man is if the hard-core mode stacked

[mint falcon]

after i finish that i'm going iron man only S rating

[fervent wren]

the graphics is better now i guess

[opal holly]

will ai mods be able to work still

[mint falcon]

g u y s

[rose wadi]

From what I understand, the only difference in Commander Mode is your SWAT members need to go to therapy (no joke) and perma-die?

[mint falcon]

ron update is finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111oneoneoneone

[vale hemlock]

ya

[ionic gale]

Nah i’m pretty sure all of the mods will be busted, especially with the new unreal engine switch

[ionic gale]

[opal holly]

i think some of the shirts and jeans mods will be fine

[upbeat field]

Oh ok so in practice mode they won’t die 😂😂

[mint falcon]

my pc gonna burn, launching it now

[ionic gale]

There is no therapy system or officers with perks system

[peak lodge]

Just got the DLC!

[rose wadi]

They die in the map, but you get them back when you restart the level lol

[opal holly]

whats the best settings?

[ionic gale]

Basically, the original game

[rose wadi]

It replaces old files

[mint falcon]

ur reinstalling the game|
it's a new engine

[peak lodge]

oh mb

[upbeat field]

Thank you @ionic gale @rose wadi

[rose wadi]

np!

[mint falcon]

didnt have to uninstall ur message

[hidden oak]

hey guys does anybody know if you need to complete the game before you can play the home invasion DLC?

[ionic gale]

I think that’s because it’s almost like installing the entire game again because of the engine switch from UE 4 to UE 5five

[peak lodge]

LOL

[mint falcon]

ok the logo's are new

[ionic gale]

You’re welcome, mate

[peak lodge]

Does the new engine make the game run better or nah?

[mint falcon]

idk it probably makes it drive a car better

[ionic gale]

It should be, but it’s really depending on your settings and build

[vale hemlock]

k i just shot through someones head and i know i did because it was a civilian

[ionic gale]

I should check up on my specs, but the only thing that I know about my builder right now is that I have a NVIDIA RTX 3000 series graphics card & idk the exact model

[hidden oak]

hello does anybody know if you need to complete the game before you can play the DLC? i installed it and its still unavailable.

[mint falcon]

it's not available in commander mode

[hidden oak]

oh where is it available

[mint falcon]

practice/multiplayer

[ionic gale]

Practice mode or multiplayer lobbies

[rose wadi]

Practice mode, which is really just normal mode

[hidden oak]

alright but you can still get the achievemnts in practice mode right?

[mint falcon]

yes
even better
you still can shoot people there
and they die
of death

[ionic gale]

Practice mode and commander mode names are a little bit confusing and almost misleading yeah

[hidden oak]

alright thank you guys.

[vale hemlock]

now you have to sit through the whole end of match screen too

[ionic gale]

I had this pop-up when I first launched SWAT 4

[blissful harness]

Anyone got any ideas how outfits from the DLC look like? I've searched the steam page, but there's only one picture with black multicam.

[vale hemlock]

eh

[fervent wren]

the performance is okay now i guess................................

[ionic gale]

It said that I had a 3070…. That is what I’m going to bet my GPU is now

[waxen grove]

ummm

[fervent wren]

i believe i heard about they gonna add female officer in this game is that true?

[waxen grove]

anyone get a crash when clicking contiune

[vale hemlock]

TASER TASER TASER

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if they talked about that which I wonder if they’re going to add that

Women are not in swat teams all that much but they exist obviously

[twin citrus]

you get 4 shirts, 1 pant, 1 shoe, and 2 helmets

[vale hemlock]

i doubt its a big priority

[fervent wren]

hope so, just want to spicy things up and shot that damn streamer

[twin citrus]

so it isnt aton to work with, but they do have several camo types for the clothes

[peak lodge]

the streamer gets a heart attack from seeing a women for the first time (irl)

[fervent wren]

so uh, they just have to got there and mission complete?

[mint falcon]

GUYS WHY'S THE GAME PERFORMING GOOD EVEN THOUGH UNREAL ENGINE 5 HAPPENED

[ionic gale]

Michael isn’t able to swoon this woman (me) (im a guy)

[peak lodge]

new speedrun strat

[fervent wren]

i guess they have to add battle pass

[mint falcon]

i got 60 fps on highest settings but i didnt set them

[peak lodge]

wtf what are ur specs

[mint falcon]

I CHANGED DOWN TO MEDIUM AND I GOT 60+
HOW DID YOU DO IT VOID

THE GAME RUNS BETTER THAN ON UE4

oh cool now i get to see my grade/time on any mission i choose

[ionic gale]

Asking why people live in Los Sueños is like asking people why do they live in Gotham?

[mint falcon]

why wouldnt you live in gotham, you could see batman

[peak lodge]

seeing batman is actually terrifying

[mint falcon]

yes.

[peak lodge]

did yall see the analog horror of batman

[summer herald]

why is the home invasion option grayed out in the mission selector?

[ionic gale]

Some 15-year-old boy steals instant Ramen to feed himself…

Batman wouldn’t let that slide

[mint falcon]

because you're in commander mode
change to practice or multiplayer

[summer herald]

copy

[peak lodge]

Atleast you won't die (57 injuries to the skull, ligaments completely destroyed)

[mint falcon]

every limb is turned in every way

[ionic gale]

The doctors had to step out of the room

[mint falcon]

ribs stopped existing

[rose wadi]

I just noticed that my achivement progress all reset. yaaaaaaay

[peak lodge]

the tunnel mission in the border is actually the scariest thing ever

[ionic gale]

LS may be San Diego or LA

[vale hemlock]

had to put the game on low settigns but i finally got it almost to 165fps

[ionic gale]

But it’s Detroit ✨in spirit ✨

[ionic gale]

I forgot to bring a flashlight with my primary and night vision gargles so I had to look out my Glock for the entire time

I wouldn’t call myself a Vietnam tunnel rat but I don’t think that’s too far from what those dudes experienced

[dense quarry]

sounds fun

[rare estuary]

No the music in clemente hotel is

[dense quarry]

secondary only challenge in RoN, become John wick

[spring ginkgo]

wait you cant melee windows?

[peak lodge]

i just had my boys clear out every single door (3 died to door bomb trap, the last one died to friendly fire)

[ionic gale]

I’m pretty sure you cam

[spring ginkgo]

nop

[ionic gale]

I was completing that map and practice mode than I was actually scared that I triggered a trap and was about to be scraped off the floor by Tems

[vale hemlock]

shoot them

[ionic gale]

Thankfully, it was just a flash bang and I just had a little headache

[civic otter]

What's the verdict so far on update? Is it working?

[woven python]

did the update really cut frame in half lol?

[tender lintel]

Anyone else noticed on the new map Narcos the enemy AI shoots through the entire map consistently? My group and I have taken a couple vids of the bots shooting from two houses over through the walls. Was this update suppose to fix the ai a little bit? jw

[stone bay]

Working, yes. Smoothly, not so much.

[civic otter]

Lmao.

That is not the first thing I wanted to read.

[peak lodge]

chat is my 4 year old laptop gonna cry (went through 3 repairs and constant thermal paste replacements)

[stone bay]

Probably

[twin citrus]

i've seen that happen

[rose wadi]

94 degrees Celsius says hi

[twin citrus]

narco is difficult, espeically when you try the beat cops achivement

the suspect will take 7 bullets in his shoulder and then 2-tap you with an ak

[peak lodge]

The cooler that I put my laptop under has broken a few days ago 💀

[waxen grove]

<missing string table entry>

[rose wadi]

F in chat for your laptop

Not only do I have a cooler under mine, but an air conditioner window unit blowing onto it

Which actually keeps it at around 73

[upbeat field]

If I have mods installed do I delete them or just play in safe mode?

[twin citrus]

just play in safe mode
but i would still remove the mods until they get updated

[waxen grove]

Just remove them from the pak folder the tools built into ron just doesnt handle them correctly

[upbeat field]

Thanks

[waxen grove]

credit where credits due, the police station is no longer a laggy pos

[rose wadi]

Yeah but its ugly now

[novel walrus]

Still possible to get the shotgun with shell holder skin?

[woven python]

did the update really cut frames in half?

[waxen grove]

yeah the mulitplayer one is a bit . . . shiney? weird relfections? not sure what it is but something is odd and its not the broken glass

[waxen grove]

not sure havent got that far yet but in the police station its already running 10 times better

there is like something off with the lighting in the new police station

[rose wadi]

Big time, but it may be due to certain generation precessors

[violet socket]

Sorry if im late to the party,
anyone else experiencing insane FPS drops?
just went from 78-110FPS to averaging 30-35FPS after applying the exact same settings i ran before the update

[tender lintel]

Facts, hell they will 2-tap through multiple houses. Hope they fix it but not holding my breath. AI has always been a issue since day one.

[violet socket]

😭

[rose wadi]

Also, the update defaulted the game to borderless windowed mode. Make sure you change it back to fullscreen

[novel walrus]

Still possible to get the shotgun with shell holder skin?

[heady flume]

I installed the DLC and it corrupted my whole game.. even verifying doesn't fix it.

Will try uninstall completely and reinstall

[cold swift]

Uh guys where do you get the balaclava?

[surreal gulch]

My frames in game went from about 120 to 40 in an actual mission, but it could be something else wrong with my PC

[twin citrus]

its only in multiplayer

[violet socket]

same here, went from around 110 to 30

[cold swift]

Ye in multiplayer but where?

[twin citrus]

customization -> character -> scroll to the bottom, you will see 3 'echo characters'

[cold swift]

Ohhh, cheers

[twin citrus]

u get 3 people with balaclavas

[buoyant junco]

Where the fuck are these panic rooms

[surreal gulch]

its not super annoying I just dropped the quality a little until they reoptimise stuff or whatever but yeah it seems to be super taxing now

[twin citrus]

theres two

both are on the 2nd floor i believe

the family has a chance to spawn in either of them

one is in the closet of a big bedroom, one is in a open space connected to a long hallway

[violet socket]

i think the new update just needs a little more optimization,
its borderline unplayable at the moment as on the mission i easily averaged atleast 75fps on is struggling at 25 now 😭

[buoyant junco]

Thank you, I found one but can’t find the other for the life of me

[empty kindle]

i cant find the new weapons for some reason

[twin citrus]

2 pistols 1 smg

[vale hemlock]

and a rifle

[twin citrus]

o

[novel walrus]

What ports does this game use for voip?

[pine pollen]

ryzen 5500 + rx 6600, frame drops from avg 120-170 to 50-70 in HQ, anyone having the same problem?

[twin citrus]

yeah

[short inlet]

can u open the panic room and see how it looks inside?

[languid agate]

is it just me or are only some parts of the DLC showing up.. I only have the L9 shirt, and the primary weapons. None of the other cosmetics or handguns are appearing

[twin citrus]

you cant open it, but the security room on the bottom floor has a camera that shows the inside of the panic room

[prime wing]

are you a supporter?

[languid agate]

no

[prime wing]

what weapons arent showing up

[languid agate]

just the handguns. I got the new primary rifles/pdw's. I also cant access the new maps either

[prime wing]

the flux is under smgs

[languid agate]

pants, helmet, and vest arent showing either

[prime wing]

for some reason

[lost rover]

wait so the dlc weapons aren't even accessible in the update? only in multiplayer???

[blissful harness]

Wait, so what happened to the undercover agent in Narcos?

[prime wing]

practice mode and mp.

wait

[eternal seal]

while going around checking the new police station and got to hear NPCs talking to you when you get to near them is pretty cool
only took them 7 months since 1.0 to add

[prime wing]

guns are available everywhere, regardless of the mode

[lost rover]

ayt just that and the balaclavas are mp only are ticking me off

[languid agate]

Are the maps only available in specific modes, I loaded up the campaign "continue." and the home invasion tab is greyed out

[twin citrus]

the balaclavas are based off the character, they arent a cosmetic
so thats why its only in multiplayer

[lost rover]

practice and mp only

[vale hemlock]

i cant hear anyone ingame

[twin citrus]

only practice and multiplayer
the dlc maps happen 4 years after the last mission so thats why its not in campaign

[prime wing]

The patch notes stated that the maps are available in practice and MP

[languid agate]

Okay

[twin citrus]

i cant help u with that
i use discord instead of ingame vc

[blissful harness]

Tbh, I ain't too bothered about the balaclavas being character determent since I think it was like that before pre 1.0.
I do understand why the majority are upset about this though.

[vale hemlock]

nah like the audio just straight up doesnt work, im playing with randos

[twin citrus]

i dunno

[blissful harness]

What I'm more upset about is that they screwed up the present system in customization.

I had to change my character and voice manually every time I change my loadout.

[vale hemlock]

im pretty upset i cant hear anyone

[ember salmon]

I just want a g3 without mods

[vale hemlock]

i just want to be stroked

[ember salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-combat-evolved-sgt-johnson-elite-hug-gif-162320706619925703

[ionic gale]

Hey guys

[tough valve]

Man, i'm not gonna lie

I miss the old combat music so much, Nothing hits like old Hotel, or old 213 park's ost

Although, Dealer atleast keeps the old style of music

but no DNB anymore which is stenky

[twin citrus]

the ost to dorms and narcos is uh
very odd

[lofty aurora]

wtf dlc items not showing up I already disable supporter edition.

[twin flax]

only in multiplayer mode

[lofty aurora]

like the helmets and sort?

[twin flax]

yes and the weapons and maps

[stone bay]

Man this game is super stressfull

Now I understand why officers need a brake in commander mode

[lofty aurora]

bruh

[twin flax]

yeah :/

[twin flax]

Can you see the items now?

[fringe siren]

The dlc shirts are bugged, if you put them on and look down your torso looks like bloated balloon with stretched textures

[forest summit]

The patch notes say this: HK416, M4A1, MK18, MP7, MPX, P90, ARWC, SR-16, UMP9, 870CQB, MK1
But we dont have an M4A1 anyone know why they included it in the notes?

[leaden warren]

guys im on the newest update but i dont have a balaclava option

[strong island]

think its only available on multiplayer, not sure

[violet dove]

It's stuck installing at 1% what do I do?

[leaden warren]

😔

[short ice]

well i was just about to buy the DLC and uh the mixed reviews on steam isn't always a good sign

[umbral oar]

why are the dlc reviews about the base game tf 💀

[leaden warren]

why cant we have balaclavas in single player dude

[floral bramble]

it's certain characters in multiplayer, bit of a weird decision honestly

[floral bramble]

cuz ppl are weird

[leaden warren]

just gotta wait for the mods again...

[opal geyser]

Why they off FRIENDLY FIRE?

[umbral oar]

the dlc itself ive been enjoying

[cerulean crypt]

your profile makes me recoil

[floral bramble]

yep hope the mod devs update them at some point (at least the mods i use lol)

[floral bramble]

skill issue

[cerulean crypt]

ok

[forest summit]

lol

[leaden warren]

@modern ibex are you gonna update the masked swat heads mod for the new update in the near future?

[floral bramble]

i mean it's been like under 12 hours lol

[leaden warren]

fair enough

[modern ibex]

mayhaps

[floral bramble]

the fact that unselles got like 5 mods in 3 minutes after launch is INSANE to me idk if they had early access or something

[leaden warren]

3 minute mod speedrun on nexus is crazy

gotta wait for black bortac armor and balaclavas to get updated and then im rocking my fit again,immaculate drip, even

[lost rover]

40 fps for lower end systems rip

[leaden warren]

i get a solid 105 fps on gas station with my 3060 compared to my 200 before😭

[peak lodge]

Would yall live inthe Lawmaker house or nah

[leaden warren]

haven't played yet because im waiting for my drip mods to get updated

[lost rover]

Well time to wait for another 6 months just to get playable fps

[stiff pine]

anyone know why the new dlc is only available for practice and multiplayer and not commander?

[peak lodge]

because it's not lore accurate

[mint falcon]

my dad's not lore accurate

[lost rover]

Anyone know how to play the older versions of ready or not? Game freezes during gunfights now

Literally unplayable as of the moment

[real siren]

Hello, do you have to update all files in steam to play? I have 46GB update and this is normal or my files just broken?

[leaden warren]

yeah, its a new engine (unreal 5)

[analog flare]

The lip sync shit is bullshit, doesnt even work

[leaden warren]

its basically downloading the whole game on a new engine so its normal, mine was like 50gb

[real siren]

ok i didn't knew thanks for info

[umbral oar]

Well, all previous updates did that too

[burnt chasm]

Lmao how?

[leaden warren]

atleast everything looks cool now

[analog flare]

idk? voip was said to sync with lip movement

lips aint even moving even though we talking

[pine pollen]

looks cool, but the performance is shite on my end at least

[umbral oar]

no they never mentioned voip

[leaden warren]

wait until we get universal lumen support, ill glady sacrifice 90 fps for cool ass graphics

[real siren]

Did they mess up with fps in game?

[woven needle]

i just died any my game froze not like a lag like it literally was stuck

[woven needle]

slightly like 2-4 fps difference

also i bought the dlc, got the guns but i didnt get the missions which is goofy

[umbral oar]

you lucky person

[real siren]

ok, and performance? I write now about freezes

[spice quartz]

Idk. My performance is better. No stutters every 3 steps

[woven needle]

well 30 fps before was a pain in the arse now its quite smooth

[umbral oar]

i used to run epic at 60 ish now i run low at 30-50

[woven needle]

atleast its smooth now

i prefer 30 smooth than 60 stuttering 24 fps is enough to be gaming good

[umbral oar]

i agree

still playable but i want my eye candy

[leaden warren]

i need at least 60 to play any FPS game on pc, 90 to have fun and 100+ to really enjoy it

[icy bison]

is it true the new DLC maps aren’t available in Commander Mode?? 😂😂

[analog flare]

yes

[woven needle]

oh... explains why i didnt get em

[icy bison]

Yeah that’s a shame I was gonna get it today

[analog flare]

theres no story for them lol afaik

[strong island]

It is non-lore so it's only available on multiplayer and practice

[umbral oar]

Yuh jus big ass hurricane

[icy bison]

I mean I don’t really care if it’s lore or not I just wanted to play with npc teammates 😂

[strong island]

Pretty sure I've seen people play with NPC's.. Try practice mode.

[woven needle]

tbh i hoped for more guns
cuz like
3 guns isss kinda small
especially if the guns don't really make a big difference cuz like we got: AR. anotha one. Smol AR. HK416 which is basically an AR
smol ak
a new smol AR

[leaden warren]

Yeah😭

[strong island]

@icy bison If you go into #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art , there's literally a clip of someone playing a map of the DLC with the bots, so try practice mode as I said

[cerulean crypt]

practice mode still has bots yeah

[woven needle]

we got: 9mm smg
another 9mm smg
cooler 9mm smg
ump 45
p90
a new 9mm smg
non lethal

the guns need to make a bigger difference like in SWAT 4 where your gun mattered more than just looks and attachments

[paper glen]

I am trying the update now and the game looks and performs so much better wow

[umbral oar]

what is this sorcery

[strong island]

Don't say that in #💬general-discussion , people will say you have a 10k PC 😂

[worn bear]

performancewise its kinda sick for me, 144+ FPS all the time, menu runs smoooooooth af and no lag spikes yet

[paper glen]

My pc is rtx4070ti and I9 9900k

[strong island]

thats around 3k or 4k tops

[paper glen]

Its a good pc but not the most expensive one

[leaden warren]

10k pc bro

[leaden warren]

isnt a 4090 like 2k?? thats twice as much as my whole pc costed💀

[woven needle]

imma try the missions

[strong island]

My PC is a RTX 4060 with a Ryzen 7 5800x and the cost was 1.2k

[blissful sable]

„look man, i know i live in a villa and have multiple cars, but im only higher middle class“

[strong island]

His GPU is a 4070ti, not a 4090

[leaden warren]

damn you got a good deal, i got a 3060ti with a i7 12700k for 1k

[paper glen]

Lol don't kill me please I am just happy the game runs better than before

Although loading times are bigger

[strong island]

nah we wont, just dont say that it runs better in #💬general-discussion , people will say you are one of the rich people

[leaden warren]

misread, price is reasonable then tbh

[woven needle]

im happy cuz the update fixed my corrupted files

[pine pollen]

rx 6600 is shit in the new update

[woven needle]

can thy loan me 100 thousand dollars kind sir? i believe that should be only 0.2% of your total networth, sir,

[paper glen]

But in all honesty, the game looks better, reflections, anti aliasing, more people in the police station moving their lips when they talk. This is a good step imo

[leaden warren]

theres also a mod to enable lumen

[paper glen]

Already? How is the performance hit?

[woven needle]

...and im stuck on 69%

[paper glen]

Interesting number

[leaden warren]

I didnt try it yet, my pc would probably burn, but its on nexus and looks pretty cool from the previews

[woven needle]

oh also once you do host friends only and go solo you'll have fake squadmates in the car now
you'll still be solo tho

[paper glen]

Thanks for telling me. And what about the balaclavas? I just tried to put it on but I cant see them

[leaden warren]

They are only in multiplayer as far as i know, we just gotta wait for ballistic to update the masked swat mod

[strong island]

It's only in multiplayer

[pine pollen]

it's been like that though, even before the update

[kindred nacelle]

Help, how do I refund a free update

[paper glen]

Is this an out of season April's joke?

[strong island]

Nah, it isn't. You also would be angry to hear that the DLC maps aren't in commander mode. Only practice and multiplayer

[kindred nacelle]

Optimize your fucking updates, VOID.

Or test on lower end hardware

[woven needle]

its optimized enough looking at the fact we got a full on new engine known for making stuff like bodycam

[lusty dragon]

Haven't played the update yet, why is everybody mad?

[paper glen]

Has anyone noticed improvements in the AI?

[strong island]

Optimization is horrible. It's the only reason everyone is angry

[pine pollen]

huge performance hit

[kindred nacelle]

Game worked fine before update, now it runs like ass with little noticable graphical improvement

[woven needle]

1500 dorra pcs strugglin

[lusty dragon]

Piss

[strong island]

There's people with a 3060 struggling 😂

[woven needle]

oh hell yeah i tried the new mission solo
got peeked at from every single door in the hallway

[paper glen]

Is this sarcasm? Sorry I just woke up

[lofty aurora]

guys I still dont have the dlc items even disabling supporter edition and played multiplayer still no luck

[woven needle]

nope
and the civvie ai just walking around everywhere as if i was playing l4d and was invisible to them

[lofty aurora]

already verified it. if I want to buy the dlc it wont let me since I got it for free

[stone bay]

how do i remove old mods? i cant run game normally, need to use safe mode

[woven needle]

nvm i just started to notice it now mb

[woven needle]

idk take it to #💻tech-support they should be able to help

okay nvm i really started to see it rn i started mission with stable 45-60 fps went in to arrest a civvie my game completely froze
and the previous time i died and the game froze i think it wasnt a bug but also performance issue like right now

[burnt chasm]

Read the update content again

[umbral oar]

we really raiding the place with more holes than swiss cheese

[strong island]

Where is the balaclavas in multiplayer?

[sharp fox]

can someone link the gunfighter mod rq

[blissful harness]

The bottom of the character selection (Echo)

[strong island]

wait

the game actually looks cool wtf, I get 140 FPS in the station

[pine pollen]

decent pc must be

[strong island]

ye its decent, im running on high with a 4060 and ryzen 7 5800x

[stone bay]

Why is my version still the feb 28? I already reinstalled the game

[pine pollen]

buying amd gpu was the worst decision I made

[strong island]

AMD CPU's are the best thing about AMD

[paper glen]

Guys do you recommend the new missions? Are they worth it 10 euros?

[pine pollen]

yeah, mine is ryzen 5500 and rx 6600. the gpu seems unable to handle ue5

[strong island]

im getting 152 fps on shooting range with DLSS performance

[keen atlas]

Station runs well, its once you get into some maps things can get weird

[ancient cloud]

My game is so much smooth now 0 stuttering god damn

[opal geyser]

Where is friendly fire?

[ancient cloud]

Also all amd laptop

[proven helm]

I've played 2/3 so far. Dorms is the first one, and I wouldn't recommend playing it with a small setup right now, it's very laggy when you look towards the map. Second map I tested so far was the mansion, it's a pretty cool map with some interesting situation, but it feels very big for the amount of suspects

[versed trail]

oh shii i thought that lawmaker will be shit but it actually was pretty fun map to clear ngl

[sly orchid]

The ballistic ops core doesnt have a battery pack when dual tube nods are equipped 😭

[proven helm]

Compared to standard missions, I think they're still better than average

[native cedar]

anyone find the soft objective in dorms?

[woven python]

so the dlc has no singleplayer and comes with your fps being cut in half... could it be any worse?

[proven helm]

It has singleplayer