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[errant cloak]

So I finished through the campaign and I was wondering does anyone know whats happening with the MLO?

[amber dock]

No hints on that yet. May make a return with PvP eventually, no one knows.

[shy tulip]

MLO as it exists in 1.0 does not exist

I agree with Matthew, if they return, I assume it will only be as the PVP faction

though if they were DLC 2 that would be cool as a more hardcore shooting focused map set

[amber dock]

Would be cool to see a 3 map DLC that are all close story-wise where you combat the MLO

[vivid crescent]

Well Valley of the Dolls is defintely harder than what came before

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I hope they get brought back as a "final challenge" of sorts

Having a group able to fully rival SWAT in tactics and gear would be a good finale.

[west sand]

yeah that is the flux brace i was just wonderiong is someone has already modded it?

[amber dock]

Ik Ballistic modded it in but I don’t think the mod page for it is up anymore. Plan is for Home Invasion to release on July 23 so it should drop then.

[vivid crescent]

SWAT 2 had the Five Eyes and I honestly thought they were the coolest part. (Them having their own campaign didn't hurt.)

Ok third Valley of the Dolls failure so far

I do not imagine S-ranking this mission is fun

[umbral oar]

Yup

[vivid crescent]

Even going lethal I often find myself pinned down or flanked

[stone bay]

All four of my guys just tanked a door trap.

[covert aurora]

😮

[vivid crescent]

Make that 4 deaths

Had 3 guards in the first room and I wound up infront of two of them by accident due to tear gas blocking my view

[floral bramble]

finally done with sins of the father

[tame wren]

Heya, I was wondering if there's any way to bring back the old lobby? The new ones training room does not feature a walkway above it so I can't check how my team is doing room clearing drills as well.

[covert aurora]

Thats a negative on thay one

[vivid crescent]

Just had a guy kick a door in while I was trying to check a room with the optiwand and opened fire

[tame wren]

sadge, it was really neat at showing angles

[covert aurora]

Yeah i know what you mean

[hard stag]

i completed hide and seek at C in campaign using mod for balaclava and i didnt get new mission?

or is hide and seek last mission

[vivid crescent]

Pretty sure I accidently just capped a guy who surrendered, I couldn't see him clearly so I was shooting but briefly saw the command for restraining pop up

[stone bay]

hide and seek is the last mission

[hard stag]

oh well i thought there were some added since i stopped playing game

[vivid crescent]

Also my AI started being dumb

For some reason half the element runs in when breaching before the grenade is thrown

[ionic gale]

it is the last mission

[stone bay]

Same, and I have SWAT AI mods installed to prevent them from pulling stuff like that.

[vivid crescent]

THE WOMAN IN THE CLOSET KILLED ME WITH ONE PUNCH

I had taken out every guard and was literally just looking for the last civilian to tie down.

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-punch-serious-gif-12250021

[vivid crescent]

Make this 5th attempt at Dolls

Also I swear sometimes I equip Pepper Spray and it just doesn't appear in my inventory

This time a guy charged me and I swear it didn't let me shoot or melee with him pointblank

Ok yeah the game glitched and didn't give me my pepperspray, it worked after I removed an item

I think it still thought I had 14 items like with light armor

[quick jacinth]

Pepper spray is useless nowadays

You're better off using a taser or taking an extra item

[vivid crescent]

Yeah but that hostage who punches you.

She surrendered this time but I sprayed her anyway, I'm ok with an ROE violation as long as I beat it this time.

[quick jacinth]

You can just yell at her and see surrenders 99% of the time

If she doesn't for whatever reason just slap her or taze her

[royal nimbus]

useful for taking 3 alive in a map like Brisa Cove while still having a rifle

[quick jacinth]

The taser does the same thing without the need to waste half of it for them to surrender (??????)

Also suspects can still shoot at you when you use pepper spray on them

[native rune]

Pepper spray is not a great item to bring

[bitter mason]

Pepperspray now seems like its intended to be used mainly against non compliant civs, but they never seem to be stubborn enough to warrant it

[quick jacinth]

Before the taser buff and pepper nerf it was a no brainer to bring pepper spray but nowadays with a 2 shot instant compliance device pepper spray is just useless

[native rune]

This basically

Barely ever experienced a civilian that didn’t comply long enough for me to even take a less lethal tool out

[quick jacinth]

That's how it was in swat 4 since uncompliant civilians were very common but RoN civilians are pretty reasonable

[bitter mason]

Theres something broken with the morale system
Ill give swat 4 as an example because in that game if someone isnt compliant they will not change their mind unless you lower their morale. Yelling does not lower it
But in ready or not it seems like yelling does have a bit of an impact which means spamming yell is viable

Plus for whatever reason civilians seem less compliant the further you are but seem to always give in if you get close enough

[vivid crescent]

I tried to slap her, she punched me in the face and I died

[quick jacinth]

Real!!!!

[bitter mason]

Shes a dangerous one
Claimed many a life of officers

[vivid crescent]

After dealing with every suspect on the map.

[native rune]

Enjoy the achievement

I can’t remember the last time she threw a punch at me. I experienced it a few times before 1.0, primarily on a mod map that used her as a civilian for some reason. But since then she just gives up, I don’t actually have the achievement where she kills you.

[bitter mason]

I think ive only gotten it intentionally

[quick jacinth]

Kind crazy that judge can shrug off 30+ rounds to every part of his body but some 120lbs woman can beat him to death after 7 slight shoves

It took me 5 attempts to get her to throw hands with me

[bitter mason]

Melee damage is just weird
Kitchen knives carving through ceramic and steel plates like butter

[native rune]

Through the shield too if you’re using one

[bitter mason]

Oh yeah thats another thing just no melee variety only kitchen knives

[bitter mason]

Damn fr? Lol
Melee just needs a bit of a rework
Its more annoying getting killed by a melee guy than anything

They get right up in your face to the point you literally cant point your gun and just two hit you

[native rune]

Pretty sure the stab vest armor option makes no changes to it, also.

[vivid crescent]

Took many attempts but finally passed with a C

[vivid crescent]

And if you're injured, one.

[vivid crescent]

Yeah that's like...it's job.

I got a 3D printed Glock with a switch as evidence. Switch for glock when

[umbral oar]

They should add Acorns

[native rune]

That’s insane that that happened, nuts.

[vivid crescent]

Just accidently shot a fellow officer on Elephant as he was coming in the direction I heard gunshots..

And now I can't find the last bomb

Yeah just got exploded, ran two laps across the entire map and couldn't find the second bomb.

[covert aurora]

Listen for beeps

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I didn't hear any

Not even with the one bomb I did find.

[covert aurora]

Weord

[stone bay]

I’ve died to many a suspect because of this

[vivid crescent]

Yeah second run no noise from bombs

[tawny olive]

has the ai improved since launch? thinking of buying the game

[shy tulip]

They were pretty noticeably nerfed, next update will include more changes to them such as the hit detection system. But they've said (compared to the current playable AI) not to expect major changes, but more subtle stuff.

Latest trailer shows em taking hostages which should be a good sign of them using more of their behaviors

[tawny olive]

good to know its being worked on, thanks!

[vivid crescent]

I did notice them using hostages as human shields a few times which wa cool.

[prime wing]

I hope they dont freeze

[ornate plume]

how do i get S at the greased palms

i tried everything even gassing the shit out of the entire building but i keep dying to AI

[candid wasp]

is flash bangs and stingers the only real way to get compliance? I swear its like every damn thug in the city is willing to throw down with swat

[sick pine]

try shooting at the floor

[vivid crescent]

CS Gas or Limb shots help

I think you still get S from incap suspects?

[sick pine]

it worked for me in some occasions cause no matter how many times i yelled at them they told me to fuck off so i just went "fuck it" and used warning shots 🙏

[vivid crescent]

And of course, apply beanbags to anywhere that's not the face.

[candid wasp]

I've yet to try the bean bags. But I'll try the shooting at the floor.

[vivid crescent]

Just remember, beanbag headshots kill

[candid wasp]

maybe I'll try it for this mission. I always seem to screw this up at least once. Last mission, the last guy who could have possibly been a threat came out of a corner and lit me up in about 3 shots. I'll probably take the beanbag myself my aim is ass so they have a very good chance of me not shooting them in the face.

[vivid crescent]

I don't try for S-ranks outside of the small maps so far

[candid wasp]

well maybe not this mission, because it's apparently a bunch of vets and I'm expecting this to not go well.

[stable kernel]

Good use of door wedges is helpful on all maps, but particularly for Ides

[vivid crescent]

Oh yeah I accidently gunned down Voll, he drew a Colt so I mag-dumped my MP5/10 into his chest, I am so sad.

TBH I didn't actually realize it was him until afterwards, I took out most of the guards and really didn't want to redo the whole map a gain

So yeah good run, got to kill Voll within ROE

[floral bramble]

i am finally freed of the S rank curse

time to turn up the doom music

[lofty wraith]

Hey there. I just started with the game and wanted to do the tutorial, however, when I'm trying to tell the blue team to open the door and flash it - all the points are greyed out, I selected the blue teamd and held the shift key. Is this a known bug?

[floral bramble]

oh holding shift ques the command

press the same commandm button again and then execute

[lofty wraith]

Yea, that doesnt work. I guess the tutorial seems to be bugged. Tried the first mission and there it works

[floral bramble]

damn that sucks

[winged hornet]

You can still kinda shoot the jaw though

[covert aurora]

Center mass, legs or an arms is where i try to aim

[river tide]

correct me if i’m wrong, face is fine just not close up

[amber dock]

Nope

[royal ridge]

white light on hokan is such a nightmare lmao

[stone bay]

All headshots will kill

[river tide]

even pepperball?

[stone bay]

No, just with the beanbags

[river tide]

hmm alright

[blissful harness]

Trying to do the pelvis shots recently, been doing it on range and executing it in real battles in this game.

The incapacitation rate is higher, though that doesn't affect the score.

[covert aurora]

Interesting! I will have to try this

[shy tulip]

You can kill with pepper, it just takes an insane amount of damage

[red hull]

When are they gonna add the ability to use laser and flashlights

[shy tulip]

There aren't any confirmed plans for it atm, pick one

[floral bramble]

are there any good sight mods with canted sights?

[covert aurora]

I wish

[floral bramble]

i can reccommend the mod for it

works great for me just chnge the ready up to enter or smthn and you can switch between ir, vis, and flashlights

[covert aurora]

The Advance armory one?

[floral bramble]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4032

this one

[covert aurora]

Oh interesting!

[floral bramble]

yeah it's great for medium brightness maps where nvgs are too bright

[red hull]

Plz do

Thank you so much

[floral bramble]

np :]

[uncut lion]

theres a picture of a officer with a balaclava on in the home invasion screenshots are we actually getting ballys though?

[stable kernel]

Yes, and it is not required to own the dlc for it

[mossy hatch]

but is it below the nose tho?

[uncut lion]

so huge

based void interactive interactors

im more excited for the balys than the new maps 😭 😭 😭

[mossy hatch]

lol, been balaclava mods for a while, even ones now that don't replace heads. Either way hopefully most of the eyewear wont clip horribly with the balaclava... (which is why i asked about a below the nose one)

[uncut lion]

i know theres mods i just like that theyre gonna be in vanilla

[stable kernel]

You can look at the trailer and the steam page to see what it looks like

[uncut lion]

they look based

[stable kernel]

Looks like it goes most of the way down the nose

[candid wasp]

Go figure the answer to all these trigger happy vets with guns was just to play reinhart for my team

course I got into the next mission and after clearing 70+% of the level had to put on my surprise pikachu face as I turned a corner around a rack in a room I'd already been in and got blasted before I could even lift my weapon.

[blissful harness]

There's me still thinking how to not get shot when going through a corner or a room.

I sometimes react a second slower from identifying the threat and got a few rounds into me.

Either that or I finally use a flashbang, but they don't work.

[candid wasp]

I'm not a regular fps player, I don't have the twitch reflexes and it it shows a lot of the time, but yeah the flashbangs either work miracles are they do nothing

[blissful harness]

I don't have the fast reflexes either, but playing the game tactically make up for it most of the time.
I never memorize enemy spawn, and one time even playing a map I never played solo.
Get through the map with basic understanding of CQB.

But now my problem is.. how to not get shot.

[noble pasture]

Use the balistic shield

Unless enemy shoots you in the visor or limbs you good

[candid wasp]

I do ok, but I never replay a map after I've completed it. Generally speaking I get murdered by one guy standing in a corner or something like that

I also only play solo

[blissful harness]

The only reason I don't wanna play solo now is because the voice line is bugged when you play solo.

The voice is Judge's voice no matter which one you choose.

[candid wasp]

for me its I'm here for the narrative ride. I really don't care to play it with other people, and honestly that would just add layers of salt I don't want or need in this game. I'm playing to get to the credits

[cerulean wren]

I don't understand why the SWAT AI encounters a suspect during move and clear, shoots once and then turns around and walks away.

and get killed by them while stupidly stand still

[candid wasp]

its pretty far afield from what I'd typically play after all, I just found the story and premise behind it compelling -- a few yt videos on it helped. And really I think its better in some ways solo. You get to live with your own shitty decisions. i.e I got lazy and told my guys to clear the door and 3 of them died on the spot to a grenade. Go back to the station and one is dead dead, the other two are in therapy and I need to strap in for my next mission with four guys where two are in the red already.

[shy tulip]

That's not a bug, that's just how it is, you play as Judge

[blissful harness]

"In multiplayer session, just that you're playing solo."

[shy tulip]

I dunno if that's what you said, I am a bit tired though

[blissful harness]

I mean, whenever I say solo, I mean playing in friend-only sessions alone.

But most would think I'm playing story mode.

[candid wasp]

ah so your actually playing solo, but playing in a multiplayer lobby

If I ever get around to modding this game though I'm adding man hooks as side arms

would probably break the game, but I like the idea

More of a beat cop tool than something swat would have though now that I think about it, but its the 3am talking.

[blissful harness]

3am thoughts acting up?

[candid wasp]

Well yes an no. Man hooks actually make a lot of sense in a game like this if we had more missions where their was hostiles that were all inexplicably armed with semi automatic rifles. i.e the a coked out guy with a knife threatening to kill his girlfriend and locked up in a house.

[dire tartan]

can anyone help me fix an issue with RoN?

when i run it on steam it just shows black screen for a while and then i close it with task manager and it shows not responding

[candid wasp]

as is though every hostile is basically armed to the teeth in this game. There is no shirtless rednecks swinging machetes around

[dire tartan]

already reinstalled 3 times

[candid wasp]

the 'turn your computer off and on' answer here would be to try a different dx version and make sure your gpu drivers are up to date.

[dire tartan]

i tried restarting my pc

i will check the drivers

[dire tartan]

thanks for the suggestion

[candid wasp]

well I'm dubious on that one, but its a good general check for these types of problems.

Really as an end user there is a natural limit to what you can try to get things working. Most of it boils down to making sure everything is up to date and your running the dx version your gpu can handle.

turning mods off (starting safe mode) may help as well, but it sounds like you never got the game to start in the first place to even mod it

[gaunt pulsar]

finally S ranked all maps, ngl i think imo neon tomb is the hardest to S rank

[candid wasp]

.. Actually I'm gonna stop talking, because everything I'm saying or thinking you might try beyond that goes beyond whats reasonable for an end user. Make sure your system meets the required specs, update your system and gpu drivers, run the program by itelf with nothing ele but steam running. If it doesn't work file a bug report

I've not poked around, but many games produce dump logs when they shit the bed. I wouldn't be surprised if this one does too. That'll be useful if you submit a report, and may key you into the problem either way.

[noble pasture]

Not Port?

[candid wasp]

There's just too many things it could be, but given that nobody else is reporting the problem, it is most likely something with your system.

[gaunt pulsar]

port wasn't that bad imo, just annoying trying to find the crates that have soft objs since they're tucked in

[noble pasture]

How did you do Night club?

[gaunt pulsar]

beanbag shotty is your #1 best friend for S ranks

[noble pasture]

Until you shoot a suspect in the head with it

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah haha

but neon tomb is so anxiety inducing all because of the bombers

[noble pasture]

I once have it happen to me continously on valley

[gaunt pulsar]

valley i thought was very easy imo, the annoying part is ur guys getting shot from the backyard pool area through the windows as ur going downstairs

[noble pasture]

Hmm, carriers of the vine?

[gaunt pulsar]

not as bad but i barely escaped that one alive

[noble pasture]

Cult vineyard map

[limpid ice]

do you use stingers or cs gas ⁉️⁉️

[gaunt pulsar]

only flashbangs LMAO

idk i dont like the other grenades imo

[limpid ice]

i suppose the stun aspect is useful but i'm a weenie hut jr jr person

[gaunt pulsar]

top 5 imo for the hardest maps to s rank

1. neon tomb
2. ides of march
3. elephant
4. relapse
5. greased palms

[noble pasture]

No way you put ides of march so high

[limpid ice]

what made ides of march so challenging for you

[gaunt pulsar]

the amount of times i would finally bring order to chaos to just die to a trap is so annoying

[noble pasture]

You can S rank ides of march first try

Surprised Sins of the Father isn't on the list

[gaunt pulsar]

sins was pretty bad, but as soon as i cleared 2nd floor i can fully relax

[limpid ice]

i feel like i had so much trouble on the one prior to that to the point i had the peek and defuse drilled in my brain

[blissful harness]

I'm pretty sure Elephant is easy to S rank. It has very few suspects.

Ides on the other hand, I personally don't wanna challenge it.

[candid wasp]

lol good to know all my hardest missions are still in the future. I'm still on the level with the servers

[blissful harness]

I did once S rank it by incapping everyone when playing solo pre 1.0

[gaunt pulsar]

its the incapacitated suspects thats hard to manage

also note with my S-rank i did not use no mercy for terrorists

[limpid ice]

the issue with that is there is no entry point that doesn't immediately open up into a bullet hell

[gaunt pulsar]

so its 100% legit S ranked

[blissful harness]

Tbh tho, there are some maps I S ranked but don't think I deserved.

[gaunt pulsar]

lol same

[blissful harness]

It was when I was playing with others and barely did much.

But some, I played solo without AI and S ranked them myself.

[gaunt pulsar]

i think the biggest offender was the spider, idk how my guy's shots didnt bleed that one suspect out since he ran out on the VKS

[blissful harness]

VKS?

[gaunt pulsar]

the gas rifle

[blissful harness]

Pepperball rifle?

[gaunt pulsar]

ye

my commander setup btw its

• armorer/sbags
• veteran
• intimidator
• pacifier

[jolly verge]

If you doing S run sbags is useless + intimidator does not work, so you better take 2 negotiators instead

[blissful harness]

Tbh, I think they can set a trait system in multiplayer, letting us equip the perk we want.

[jolly verge]

That would break balance really bad with some traits

[blissful harness]

They already got the traits ready from singleplayer.

[gaunt pulsar]

damn really?? well that was a scam i put my intimidator on riot shield setup always xd

ironic too since he's the one that always keep constantly dying and i had to reset

[jolly verge]

yes, take negotiator instead, yelling on suspect will make suspect surrender immediately with % chance (25% for 1 and 50% for 2 negotiators)

[blissful harness]

Well, I'm still hoping suspects would surrender right away when yelled at for once in multiplayer, in maps where the suspects would have more empathy or self preservation.

It's fine that suspects like terrorists and cult members don't surrender at all, but it would be likely for gang bangers and organized criminals to do so.

[candid wasp]

yeah I feel like this aspect could use some work. Like I just finished a mission where your fighting the "left behind." It makes sense that those guys well take it to the mat. But some random junkie or guard of a server rack not so much

[frail pier]

1. Elephant
2. Relapse
3. Elephant
4. Relapse
5. Elephant

Elephant I can walk 5 feet from spawn and civ gets capped by the shooter before I'm even in the building. Or halfway through Relapse you find a random civ that got capped :/ those 2 maps are the worst about it.

[umbral oar]

elephant easiest for me

[vale tangle]

the hardest thing to do on elephant is finding all the civilians lmfao

[frail pier]

Yeah when they don't kill civs as soon as you spawn it's easy as shit lol

[umbral oar]

unironically gas harder since the Glass Hell that is the dining area

[vale tangle]

they don’t

they kill them ~3 minutes in

and you can easily take out all 4 in that window if you know the right route

[frail pier]

I've watched this in replay wdym

[vale tangle]

idk i’ve literally never seen them kill before that point

[frail pier]

It happens not like it's consistent and all the time but it happens. Relapse it's not as bad surprisingly.

[vale tangle]

for me the hardest mission to S was sins of the father, but that’s only because i was doing it before the ai adjustments, now that map is a joke

[frail pier]

Yeah mine were all done before the AI rework. I occasionally do S runs now but I just wanna fall asleep during it.

[vale tangle]

as for relapse i actually really like it, its probably my favourite mission in the game

[vale tangle]

i think the rework happened before i finished sins because i was on vacation for the holidays lol

[vivid crescent]

..I think my own team just killed me

Since I heard the TOC "ROE violation" lines despite shooting at a suspect then instantly died.

[frail pier]

Sins was god awful before the rework

I don't think I've done S on there since the change

[frail pier]

You kill someone surrendered?

[vivid crescent]

Nope and if I did why did I die instantly?

I hadn't shot anyone else

To my knowledge you need two "Strikes" for your team to hunt you down

[frail pier]

Your AI agro on you when you do. Hard to say without seeing a clip or something.

[vale tangle]

really easy now, i tried it with friends it was over in minutes

[frail pier]

I don't play with the AI often so I'm not sure about that. I just know they'll drop you if you tk another officer or kill someone that's surrendered. I think overpen will count that too even if its actually unintentional.

[frail pier]

Yeh I figured.... remember even going lethal on that level was a pain? Pepperidge farm remembers

[vale tangle]

i actually never did lethal until i finished my s runs

because lethal is all i ever did from when i got the game at launch to before 1.0 dropped

[vivid crescent]

NGL Elephant feels cringe to play, the Squad AI is not designed to go fast.

[vale tangle]

bro i miss old cherryessa farm so much, also the really old raid mode hotel where you have to clear there entire first floor area

[vale tangle]

it’s not that bad just take the proper route and do all the heavy lifting yourself while directing ai to pick up after you

[vivid crescent]

Yeah but I tend to not survive being the first target every time

[vale tangle]

oh are you using the bean bag?

[frail pier]

Tiz 4 guys.

[vivid crescent]

Nope lethals, suspects have armor tho so even fmj rifles take a good bit

[vale tangle]

headshots, cs gas, flashbangs

[vivid crescent]

Even taking the lead sometimes it's like my squad stops to cuff everyone behind me

[frail pier]

Yeah health modifiers lol

[vivid crescent]

so I'm on my own a good few gunfights.

I get what they were going for but this feels like one of those "Game's mechanics do not work with the level design" things.

You basically have to be the first one into every room unless you want to waste time (which you don't have) stacking up.

It feels at this point kinda like I'm fighting the coding of my AI if that makes sense.

[vale tangle]

my best advice is, get a general idea of all the enemy spawns, turn on automatic fire mode, and be prepared to shoot along every corner and hallway

[vivid crescent]

To the point where I equipped a breaching shotgun myself because the AI was too slow using it.

[frail pier]

I think you can spam the fall in and it forces them on you right? They'll somewhat ignore shit on the ground. Somebody correct me if not.

[vale tangle]

pretty sure

[vale tangle]

haven’t played with ai in a long ass time lmao, i exclusively do multiplayer or solo

[vivid crescent]

Also apparently there's commands for telling civs to flee? they probably should have mentioned that in the tutorial.

[frail pier]

Think of them like walking turrets lol. You're just there to kite them around. You can send them to do shit but they'll probably clear a room with their back facing the target.

[vivid crescent]

This game kinda feels like it's still in Early Access due to stuff like that ngl.

[vale tangle]

the problem is that they don’t do small updates, it seems like they’re putting every change into the big dlc update

[frail pier]

Idk unless you're going for achievements I feel multiplayer is just better than the AI squad experience.

At least I can yell at someone and not AI when shit goes wrong🤣

[vale tangle]

i like the ai because i think it’s kind of impressive in a way since very few games have pulled off competent ai for the situations the ron ones find themselves in, yes there are problems, but I think what we have is a lot better than most people see it as

[gentle stratus]

games like this are supposed to be multiplayer, learned that after finally getting some friends to play this and rainbow six 3 after years of doing solo

[frail pier]

They've come a long way though too. Shit doesn't happen overnight

[vale tangle]

but yeah with friends is the ultimate experience

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I think the AI is competent but they're not fast if that makes sense? so for a timed level they're an issue.

[frail pier]

What armor they have?

[vale tangle]

nothing is fast in this game except the speed at which those school shooters execute students

[vivid crescent]

Ceramic.

I'm running steel mainly due to the fact Ceramic is bugged on player.

[frail pier]

It is?

[vale tangle]

pretty sure the bug is that ceramic works better than it should

[frail pier]

I thought it was bugged but in a good way lol. Like the damage calculation was fucked on it

[gentle stratus]

even Elephant is best played cautiously, you have to survive to the end after all

[vivid crescent]

Yeah that's why I'm not running it.

[frail pier]

Oh

[vale tangle]

yeah like the ai as it is now is pretty impressive, as someone who’s played since early access release

[vale tangle]

run kevlar you’ll go faster

[vivid crescent]

Right now issue is that I can't find da bombs

[gentle stratus]

i thought ceramic is just 3 guaranteed hit absorption then the plates break

[frail pier]

He'll accelerate faster lol.

[vale tangle]

listen for loud beeps

[vivid crescent]

Then die so fast you'd think I was playing R6 1 presumbbly

[vale tangle]

it’s actually useless

[vivid crescent]

I don't know if my game is bugged but I have not heard beeps, at all.

[frail pier]

Good for gas station that's about it.

[gentle stratus]

you probably missed a room, that mission has a LOT of missable rooms

[vivid crescent]

Even when defusing bombs that I do find.

[vale tangle]

turn up volume ?

[vivid crescent]

My volume is loud, Breaching Shotgun incredibly loud when firing

[frail pier]

Bugged ceramic > Basically immortal steel abuser with armor trait

[vale tangle]

yeah but does it deafen you when you fire?

[vivid crescent]

Yeah can't find any bombs at all.

[vale tangle]

what’s the point of playing a tactical shooter if there isn’t realism 🙄

[vivid crescent]

And all bomb spots I do know are empty which is roughly 3-4 of them

[frail pier]

SA58 LOUD AND PROUD BOI

[vivid crescent]

Yeah ngl this level is reaching the point of "It's no longer giving any emotion but annoyance" now

[frail pier]

Stairs, table near library, lounge, auditorium, classrooms.

[tacit gull]

If you're just trying to pass it i think you can finish it even with dead civs

[frail pier]

They're somewhere that's for sure.

[vale tangle]

computer room, cafe, student lounge, staircase on the right side of building (approach from front) 2 class rooms on the second floor which are next to each other, one on the office side of the opposite classroom, outside library

[vivid crescent]

Every time a door gets stuck or a teammate gets in your way is far more annoying when you're about to explode

[vale tangle]

from memory i think that’s all of them

[frail pier]

Oh I forgot computer room lol

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I've been in every single room

[vale tangle]

you want to join one of the vcs and stream your game?

[vivid crescent]

no point since I'm, probably about to explode

[frail pier]

It's 30mins no? Didn't they increase time?

[vivid crescent]

PDA says 11

[vale tangle]

hospital 12 on school

[frail pier]

Ahh gotcha

[tacit gull]

Hospital time is ridiculously long and school time is ridiculously low

[vale tangle]

considering map size not really

except yeah hospital is long

[vivid crescent]

Found 1 bomb

[vale tangle]

school is more acceptable for the randomization

[vivid crescent]

sound was only audible inside the room it was actually in.

[vale tangle]

which room

[gentle stratus]

like i said, a lot of missable rooms in that mission

[vivid crescent]

Ok thankfully they were next to each other

[tacit gull]

If you're trying to S rank it it's genuienly just down to if you find the suspects fast enough to have time to find the bombs

[blissful harness]

SA-58 is overkill.
Most randoms who decide to run it usually have crap outfit and rusher mentality that gets them killed.
They also tend to possibly kill civies.

[vivid crescent]

But the audio cue was not audible in the hallway unless I was right outside the door*

[vale tangle]

if by overkill you mean a fun time then i’d agree

[frail pier]

Depends on the map and what you're going for.

[vivid crescent]

Level 2 right side (looking at the map screen) both bottom rooms had bombs

[vale tangle]

on harbour sa58 is more than viable i’d say

[gentle stratus]

SA58 was fun on old hotel raid

[vale tangle]

only regulating factor being mag capacity

[vale tangle]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO REMEMBERS OLD HOTEL RAID

my favourite map of all time, gone too soon

[gentle stratus]

my buddy and i LOVED it - we even did hostage mode a lot

[blissful harness]

I think the hotel map is replaced by the hotel map.

[vale tangle]

bro that map holds a special place in my heart and memory

[vivid crescent]

From what limited footage I've seen, it seems old hotel has an entirely different layout?

[vale tangle]

i’ll love it more than my wife when i’m married, and miss it more when she passes

[vivid crescent]

seems like they could be seperate hotel maps.

[gentle stratus]

yes it had two layouts, Barricaded Suspects mode and Raid mode

[vale tangle]

raid mode was removed in the adam update though i think

[gentle stratus]

Raid was the lower floors including lobby, kitchen, dining, dance hall, parking garage

[vale tangle]

yeah

[blissful harness]

We got Adam Update, but we never got Brandon Update.

[gentle stratus]

Barricaded Suspects was upper floor penthouses and regular hotel rooms

[vale tangle]

remember meth house raid mode? where you had to go to the laundromat to find evidence lol

[gentle stratus]

until hospital came around, hotel raid was the biggest and craziest map

[vale tangle]

i think it might have been bigger than hospital

like slightly

[gentle stratus]

all the changes to meth house still mess me up - i keep thinking i can enter the laundromat and upper floor of the house on the hill lol

[vale tangle]

lol yeah

i remember checking that garage thing every single time i played even though nobody was ever inside

[blissful harness]

Garage sometimes got one inside though.

[vale tangle]

like the one on the hill behind the cave entrance shed

[blissful harness]

Yeah, I must be a new gen, I don't recall any garages on the hill.

[vale tangle]

when did you get the game?

[frail pier]

I've seen a suspect surrendered in the alley near spawn a few times too.

[vivid crescent]

That's Elephant done, rip my one officer who got incap.

[gentle stratus]

congrats on making through 👍

[frail pier]

Wasn't there 2 spawn points for twisted at one point?

[vale tangle]

lydian what did you like better, old cherryessa on raid or regular?

[gentle stratus]

regular tbh, it was fun to meet a swarm of bullets as soon as i exited the big stairway lol

[vale tangle]

one for barricaded suspects and one for raid mode, raid mode had the 2 buildings, and the laundromat you spawn next to now accessible to player, barricaded had the main building and tunnels accessible to the player

[frail pier]

Ahh yeahhhh

[vale tangle]

current is basically those 2 combined minus laundromat with the raid mode spawn

[frail pier]

Apparently new mission takes place in somewhat the same area?

[gentle stratus]

raid farm felt more balanced, but i don't play coop tactical shooters to be met with a fair fight lol

[vale tangle]

i liked raid more tbh but normal was a fun challenge

[vale tangle]

d platoon psychiatrist made his money’s worth from your character

[gentle stratus]

😂

[vale tangle]

remember that test map that was just a burger shop

[gentle stratus]

i grew up playing rainbow six 1-3, so if the suspects aren't 360 noscoping me then i don't want it

[gentle stratus]

yeah what happened to that lol

[vivid crescent]

Play Takedown: Red Saber

[vale tangle]

i can’t remember the first shooter i played tbh the first games i played were the lego games by TT and minecraft lol

[eternal heart]

what map is narcos in Ready or Not? 🙂

[vale tangle]

it’s in the dlc

[frail pier]

That's the one that's in the park homes area

[eternal heart]

What DLC? _)

[vale tangle]

not released yet

[frail pier]

Same as twisted.

[eternal heart]

Okay :/

[vale tangle]

releasing on the 23 of this month, it’s called home invasion

[eternal heart]

Thanks alot. 🙂

[vale tangle]

they have posts about it in the announcements channel

[eternal heart]

Okay. You are the best. 🙂

[vale tangle]

no problem

[gentle stratus]

do we know the price tag of the dlc yet?

[frail pier]

10

[vale tangle]

yeah 10 usd

[frail pier]

10 Year mortgage

[gentle stratus]

phew okay that's in my budget

[gentle stratus]

😂

[vale tangle]

lol i’m glad it’s a reasonable price for what you get

[frail pier]

Same I honestly expected 20

[vale tangle]

that’s a short ass mortgage

[frail pier]

It's only 3 maps duh

[vale tangle]

payments go crazy

[gentle stratus]

i sold some of my old counter strike skins for some games releasing this month, haven't actually picked any up but ill prolly spend it on the dlc

[vale tangle]

a 10 year mortgage on 3 properties including one mansion 🤔

[frail pier]

They're all destroyed by a hurricane basically and ransacked by looters. You'll probably spend way more than it's worth to fix up.

[vale tangle]

true that dorm map is a real fixer upper and by fixer upper i mean demolish and salt the grounds it was built on

[frail pier]

Well except the mansion but still fixing and cleaning all that blood and shit.... idk man

[gentle stratus]

im headed to bed, its been a pleasant chat yall 👋

[vale tangle]

i should too it’s 3 am 😂

[frail pier]

What's weird is like apparently it was never abandoned I don't think? It looks mighty abandoned but volls daughter was looking into that campus.

[vale tangle]

interconnected lore goes crazy

alright bye dude good chatting with you guys

[frail pier]

Peaceeee

[vivid crescent]

So do suspects with Five-SeveN's have AP Ammo?

I know IRL that the weapon is commercially available but not the actual AP rounds but I presume I should treat every suspect with the FN as extra dangerous?

[blissful harness]

Talking about FN, I heard the bullets for them are quite expensive.
What even is the budget of LSPD? I thought they were broke as fuck, yet they keep having advanced equipment.

[vivid crescent]

I've said before how an optional money system for commander mode would be a neat addition at some point

SWAT 2 makes you pay for yor gear and new officers and while it is a simple system it did add a small bit to the game.

You throw a flashbang? need to pay 500 bucks for a new one

You could keep the current "high-end" gear as expensive but effective stuff. (and Ig have the Colt Python and whatever the worst SMG/rifle as free weapons to equip if money is tight.)

[urban walrus]

"Team gear compared with the story we're telling is just ludonarrative dissonance plain and simple. But, it's more fun to be able to put on fancy optics and look like a modern SWAT officer than what the "real" LSPD would have (which is probably a sparse array of weapons and gear, all with similar configurations purchased in bulk for a discount price)."

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/zjnzne/comment/izw6x5p/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[blissful harness]

There's not really any "bad" rifles or SMGs, but if you replace it with old, then yeah, as a starter we could only have M1911/Colt Python and MP5A2

[blissful harness]

Appreciate for the source, I'll read it.

[vivid crescent]

Obviously a money system would require alot of work so I'm not really expecting it but it would be cool if getting a fancy rifle with optics was something you had to work towards. (let alone a full squad of them.)

Not that the SWAT 2 system was perfect.... (Tear Gas Launcher was technically a "gun" so it had infinite ammo so you only had to buy flashbangs after the Quarry mission halfway through the game since all terrorists had gas masks from that mission onwards.)

Having infinite tear gas is as op as it sounds lmao.

[blissful harness]

I mean, if people want to, they could always do a story run with the lack of budget gears.

[vivid crescent]

True but I do find having a progression system where you can "work out" of budget gear is cool

[urban walrus]

They did have a points system on early alpha builds (2018-2019) but it got scrapped for the current one, it basically a system to limit you on how much and the types of equipment you and your teammates can bring.

[vivid crescent]

I'll probably do a "lore" gear run on a second commander run.

R.I.P

Hopefully that gets revived at some point as an optional setting. (obviously want to stress I'm not expecting VOID to add it on a whim.)

[blissful harness]

But honestly, I'm pretty sure LSPD could afford most things, including most rifle and pistol rounds, NVGs, and such. Just that I think the GPNVG and 57 are a little bit too overpriced for their budget from what they demonstrated in the lore.

[vivid crescent]

It's not alot but I do like it when a game lets you get expensive stuff but you have to weigh up if the purchase cost will be worth it.

Imagine having to pay for new Ceramic plates every time they got broken

[blissful harness]

I dunno, that'd be a pain in the ass.

[covert aurora]

o7 Alain

[vivid crescent]

I doubt Void would go that far but it would be a funny way to shut down the meta in Commander mode, literally lose cash by being shot at

[vivid crescent]

7.62mm High Caliber/Brigade E5 did it at least, your actual vest and plates were seperate purchases.

And both had seperate durability. (no spalling but Steel plates lasted longer if I recall.)

[blissful harness]

But then I agree with one comment in the reddit post sent by @urban walrus .
Having an elite team with advanced gears in a corrupt city isn't impossible, especially the city isn't exactly a ghetto as a whole, as some people are still rich.
Think of it like Night City, most people are broke, the corpo who owns the city is corrupt, and in police force they still got elite troops like MaxTac.

[blissful harness]

Yo

[covert aurora]

how are you? 🙂

[blissful harness]

Eating in a Thai restaurant with my entire family which is over 30 members rn, I'm on something pretty cool.

[covert aurora]

oooooo

thai food is pretty good! i usually get pad thai

tho i haven't been to get thai food in along time

[blissful harness]

Tbh, I don't often eat Thai food.

I'm surprised the host chose this restaurant

They're pretty okay imo

[covert aurora]

fair enough

[blissful harness]

I mean, a tasteless person like me would prefer fast food any day

[covert aurora]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

to each their own is what i always say

[blissful harness]

Some are really well made tho.
Like I've tried tacos from a Korean fast food once.
Thing was gorgeous.

[noble pasture]

Shotgun vs Breaching Ram on bots swat?

[vivid crescent]

lmao I got the "this is procedure" voice line just before Judge slapped a suspect in the back of the head.

[noble pasture]

A slap won't leave marks

[vivid crescent]

Damn Judge a smart police brutaltiy guy

[noble pasture]

You also don't get permanent damage

Usually a suspect had already shot at Swat if they get taken alive, so a slap over the head will be overlooked

[blissful harness]

"You've made a right choice."
Meanwhile kicked the back of the man with full force.

[noble pasture]

Could be hiding a weapon

[vivid crescent]

oh lmao I found a glitched football in the tunnels, it's spinning in place

[noble pasture]

So feet on shoulder is okay

[vivid crescent]

Just posted it in media

[blissful harness]

DEJA VU

[covert aurora]

korean bbq is amazing

[jolly owl]

bulgogi is mad gas in a good way

[blissful harness]

You just write something on my to-do list solely with this statement.

[covert aurora]

xD

glad i can help! 🙂

[blissful harness]

Probably once I had the money though, I'm a student.
And I owe someone 55 bucks from buying Mechanix gloves and an x4 optic.

[vivid crescent]

Also I ran around the tunnels in Rust Belt and the last suspect was outside the tunnels

Spent like 20 min running around in the tunnels llooking for ihm

[honest path]

omg

i just noticed peltors in the trailer for the latest DLC im actually gonna bust

finally i can get rid of those shitty opscore AMPs

[jolly owl]

I hope we can take off earmuffs too

I can only wear the ballistic mask with the Kaiju SF and MICH Helmet since the earmuffs on the other helmets make it look uncanny

[honest path]

dudeeee

the ability to fold the headsets up would be so fucking cool

[jolly owl]

this is fact checked by real los suenos patriots and is true

[honest path]

real

[blissful harness]

Tbh, shouldn't even owe the dude money, told him I'll be able to pay him by two weeks in the fastest rate after September.

[ornate mauve]

i played 2 missions yesterday and now im back to the start? anyone know why

[jolly owl]

Maybe your in Commander mode than Practice mode?

[ornate mauve]

i pressed new game at the start

[vivid crescent]

Did you not have Continue?

[ornate mauve]

im talking abt yesterday i pressed new game then today i pressed continue but my progress reset

[jolly owl]

What mode did you press at the beginning? Commander or Practice?

[ornate mauve]

im not sure

[jolly owl]

What mode are you on?

[ornate mauve]

how do i check?

[jolly owl]

Go on your phone thingy and check for something called roster

If theres the roster, your in Commander mode

If theres none, your in Practice mode

[vivid crescent]

Also the Grenade Launcher slaps, not tried the shield yet.

[blissful harness]

Still waiting for them to adjust the position of grenade launcher.

[vivid crescent]

But extra CS Gas is always fun. (Why take a worse primary when you can exploit how most suspects don't have gas masks?)

[blissful harness]

It looks off being on the top of the back.

[ornate mauve]

yes i have roster

[jolly owl]

Alright that means your two missions is in pratice mode

From there, exit back to the game menu, press new game and click Practice mode

[vivid crescent]

Also i see we're getting into the "somewhat silly" missions now

||Fighting the Secret Service.||

[jolly owl]

I like the idea of shootin bootleg just stop oil shooters though ngl (If your talking about the dlc)

Im gonna give them life long injuries or death

[ornate mauve]

it only says continue

[jolly owl]

Dont focus on continue, press new game

Then find something called practice mode

[vivid crescent]

||Holy crap the Secret Service guys are hardcore, one took several SCAR-H rounds to the leg and refused to give up||

[jolly owl]

Shoot em center mass/torso rather than the legs, easy to aim for

Bother about style later, go for practicality

[ornate mauve]

it says single player i pressed it the i pressed practice mode

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I was trying to make him drop his gun

[jolly owl]

Then go to the desk and check for the missions, if its two missions then your safe

[ornate mauve]

yes it is!
thank you!

[vivid crescent]

Found 3 civs in one room and another one already so hopefully no hostage deaths

[jolly owl]

Your welcome buddy!

now go fuck up those criminals.

[blissful harness]

Oh, they're Secret Service? I only knew they were some SF operators by background.

[jolly owl]

To be fair, Secret Service pulls from vets sometimes, hence why the SF label

[blissful harness]

Well, I can see LSPD SWAT on par with Secret Service though.
I was told the real life counterpart, LAPD, would have a tier 2 (or 1) level of training in CQB environment, sometimes training CQB with military SF.

[vivid crescent]

Also are there injury penalties?

I know in SWAT 4 you could only limp slowly when shot in the leg but it doesn't seem the case here.

[jolly owl]

Yes, red right leg means you cant breach doors by kicking, so... Yeah. Be careful.

[blissful harness]

I once broke my leg by kicking the door pre 1.0

[jolly owl]

prob not the case anymore I think, atleast in my playthroughs

[vivid crescent]

Most realistic game

[silver palm]

I don't know how many times I broke my leg because of that

I just like kicking doors

[jolly owl]

Makes us look badass tbh

[silver palm]

Agreed

[vivid crescent]

Also I am a dumbass

[silver palm]

This DLC will be fire

[blissful harness]

Not so badass when you spent time sending five kicks, just to finally decide to use the shotgun/ram.

[jolly owl]

we just need the mods to fix some potential issues we see

[vivid crescent]

I removed gas masks and CS Gas from my team but forgot to remove CS grenades from myself lmao.

||I assumed the Secret Service would have gas masks on-hand so I ran with Ballistic masks instead.||

[jolly owl]

RNG issue I think

To compensate, use the Kicker perk for your teammate if your in Commander mode, or just use your usual tools

[blissful harness]

No one would randomly carry a gas mask normally, as least regular soldiers don't.

[silver palm]

I don't really like mod.io that much I know it's not the only modding platform for RoN but it's the only way I can mod the game if I want to

[blissful harness]

As for creative suspects, that's for another topic.

[jolly owl]

You dont know how to use Nexusmods for RON?

[silver palm]

I really can't use Nexus mods at all

[jolly owl]

huh...

[vivid crescent]

Yeah but they seemed the most likely to at least have a few masks so far

[silver palm]

I'm a cloud gamer

[jolly owl]

Copy that

[silver palm]

I can't really install any mods on that platform

I'm used to it it's not that big of a deal for me

[blissful harness]

Embrace vanilla.
I haven't really installed any mods since 1.0

[jolly owl]

You got used to the crapshit AI?

I can barely handle them lmao holy shit

[blissful harness]

I was able to solo S rank some maps without the help of players and AI, so yeah.

[jolly owl]

Your a fucking mad man, and I respect that

[blissful harness]

And way before 1.0, might be when the AI was worse, I solo'd Brisa Cove and almost the hospital in barricaded suspect mode in lethal way.

[ornate mauve]

bro im trying to finish 23 megabites but i cant find any more civilillians

[silver palm]

Only my struggle is the AI headshooting you with no scope

[blissful harness]

I barely had the experience before, honestly.

Like, actually none.

[silver palm]

They jumpscare me its scary

[ornate mauve]

it says i need to find all civillians but i did i cant find anymore

[vivid crescent]

Ok seems mirror AI doesn't distinguish between "Suspect" and "Cuffed Suspect"

[silver palm]

Not actually no-scoping but it's definitely not easy to deal with

[uneven iron]

yeah, i accidentaly tear gassed a cuffed suspect and i felt so mad wasting a grenade

[vivid crescent]

In this case I stingered 2 cuffed civs in the process lmao

[blissful harness]

Honestly, I should use my devices more.

[vivid crescent]

Most effective SWAT Team

[blissful harness]

I always going in without distraction, shoot down the target, and immediately moves to the next room.

[uneven iron]

my dumbass ai teamates keeps going into open spaces just to secure one dead guy

[vivid crescent]

I JUST GOT "ARMED SUSPECT" FROM SEVERAL DOWNED AND ONE CUFFED SUSPECT IN ANOTHER ROOM I CLEARED

Yeah this is actually terrible, I might need to bring the mirrorgun myself again

I can't rely on my teammates to mirror at all

[uneven iron]

mf's just say all clear without specifying whether its clear of traps or suspects man

[vivid crescent]

I think it's "clear trap" then "Clear suspect"

It seems to always be in that order

Damn just mirrored a door then a suspect kicked it down

Somehow the guy mirroring didn't get shot, barely.

[blissful harness]

Mirror it from the side, have the teammates hold security on the door.
That's my procedure.

[vivid crescent]

Yeah we were in a hallway all looking at the door, so no one got hurt but the suspect.

[soft geode]

when a suspect kneels down and puts his hands up, it won't do anything for the rest of the mission right

so you can wait with securing until you finish mission?

[vivid crescent]

Ok Night Club is annoying

It's doing the thing I hate where "Map has hard to see visuals that AI clearly has no issue with ", I even got shot through a railing on the dance floor.

I like RON but NGL Night Club and the school level kinda feel like shock only

Like they both suck to play for "Game-y" reasons so immersion is lost pretty quickly for me

[elfin sigil]

Official Zombies Mode for October please????

https://tenor.com/view/glowing-eyes-zombie-reaching-out-call-of-duty-zombies-cod4-gif-13575279

[frank sparrow]

ok so im doing the ruined watch, some of my team resigned... Will I still get the watch?

[pastel wind]

I got a question

For one of the new guns coming

[river tide]

what are the requirements for it

[covert aurora]

whats up?

[stone bay]

Complete RoN in Ironman Mode without losing an officer.

[pastel wind]

The pistol stock gun is that a primary? Or secondary

[jolly verge]

primary

[pastel wind]

Ok

Also can you put any pistol onto that?

Like the Glock or is it just set to 1 gun

[jolly verge]

nope, only 1 gun

[blissful harness]

Did anyone have their officers result themselves "in something worse than resign" yet?

[jolly verge]

what you mean exactly?

[blissful harness]

VOID implied officers would have suicidal tendency, something worse than resign if overstressed.

[jolly verge]

Nah, we have only resign from duty and that it

[blissful harness]

Damn, hoping they'll enhance officer system soon.

[balmy rock]

I'm having trouble recording or streaming with My friends on rdr2 and I don't know how to fix it Like if i were to stream games such as CS2 or Dying light or even other high quality game there is no fluctuations on wifi but for some reason ron has this problem

streaming only sorry

[urban fractal]

I wish there was someone who made blueprints from every map that is in the game now 😅

[halcyon mountain]

Stoked for the DLC 🙂

[stone bay]

Same, although I have to wait a few weeks due to reprioritizing my budget.

[noble pasture]

Should I redownload RoN now or wait until update drops?

new windows install, so redownloading stuff

[jolly verge]

If you want to play why not

[uncut garden]

Ya should wait I think
It's a huge update due to the transition from UE4 to UE5

So pretty much I think we would all have to download the update with the size of the entire game tbh

[stable kernel]

Most likely, yes, if not more than currently

[uncut garden]

If you have slow internet then Maybe just wait it out

If not then just download and play the game 😄

3 moar days

10$ DLC which is reasonable too

[pastel wind]

WHY ARE THE AI JOHN

[umbral oar]

john wayne?

[pastel wind]

WICK

[umbral oar]

i was close enough

[blazing yew]

are there any plans for a swat ai-focused update

[vivid crescent]

So is there a way to "hold" Commands? have both teams breach a room from two doorways at the same tiem

[frail quartz]

That's one of the things you're taught during the tutorial

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I forgor

Mainly since It took forever because it bugged out so I only remember that part

Currently mid-mission

[umbral oar]

hold shift and press the command u wanna queue

and then execute with gold team

[fallow agate]

Wait so whats the confirmed price for the dlc?

[stable kernel]

#💬general-discussion message

[fallow agate]

Danke

[civic zinc]

b

hold b

[wraith belfry]

$10 dlc don’t sound bad, but dev studios have been doin mfs wrong for way too long. imma wait for gameplay reviews before i buy

bruh the new update better fix AI no way a whole modding community had 100 solutions to fix AI and the official devs couldn’t pick the best one to integrate with their system

[vocal night]

god damn what is mpx chambered in

recoil is worse than most carbines in the game

[shy tulip]

All mods do is just make them dumb easy (enough that I see those same mods having to make harder vevrsions,) whilst the devs are actually tweaking the blueprints of the game.

They've said that the AI have been tweaked and should play better, but if you're expecting a massive overhaul, then don't.

[vivid crescent]

Nearly got S on Ends of the Earth but apparently I got a force penalty

[shy tulip]

Someone shot grandma

[edgy linden]

WW2 Propaganda music intensifies as I spam gas gernades in Ends of the Earth mission

[uncut garden]

9mm is kinda underwhelming currently NGL

[vocal night]

9mm itself is decent enough

mpx recoil is just insane it goes side to side too

[wraith belfry]

every ai tweak they’ve done was make ai 0.01cm less accurate when wall banging u across the map

[ornate mauve]

anyone know why i get bad fps in multiplayer but good fps in single player?

[shy tulip]

Unfortunately the devs can't code player skill

[shy tulip]

Are you hosting or joining others?

I can only imagine it being related to lag

[ornate mauve]

ohh yes i forgot abt that im dumb lol

[fallow agate]

Quick question, do swat ai use flashlights if a room is dark enough? EX: dark hallways or tunnels

[frail quartz]

They only use flashlights when you turn on yours iirc

||I give them all lasers for better preformance anyways ||

[fallow agate]

Fair enough

[fallow agate]

Do lasers even do anything for them? They have aimbot anyways

[noble pasture]

will we keep our save files in between updates?

[frail quartz]

No but it helps to know where my ai are aiming at

[fallow agate]

Doesn’t really matter to me. I kinda just send them in a room and pray they clear it.

im such a good boss

[vivid crescent]

Blast, lost a civ during the Vine mission, not sure if a suspect or officer hit her

I like how you can continue onwards from slight "fails" like this.

I feel SWAT 4's perfectionist nature (Unlike 2, 3 and the console spin-offs) ironically serves to worsen the impact of ti.

One civ dies and you continue and you can feel bad for what happened while if you have to restart a bunch, you start thinking of them as just a video game obstacle.

[river tide]

i’m not even trying to be rude but please just use common sense

[fallow agate]

Bruh idk why but I cannot find ||Elaine|| anywhere in carriers of the vine and neither can the AI. Does anyone know where she usually spawns?

[night pasture]

check the church

[fallow agate]

Yep I got her. She was hiding in a corner

[fickle pebble]

Does anyone know if the devs are planning on implementing a zoom function on the 1 - 12x or 1 - 4x? Or is the plan to stick with the community mod?

[fallow agate]

Scared the shit out of me

[vivid crescent]

Does the mission effect how much stress is gained when you fail?

Noticed Elephant and Relapse (which involve bombs that kill everyone) seem to have more negative effects if failed.

[frail quartz]

Maps like Elephant and Relapse seem to cause much more stress to your officers in general because of the contents of the mission itself

[vivid crescent]

Ah ok, wasn't sure if it was failing.

I did get negative stress on Neon Tomb but wasn't sure if that was the mission or the fact I basically killed almost very suspect.

[frail quartz]

Neon Tomb has a big stress debuff as well iirc

Basically any mission involving a mass shooting pretty much

[vivid crescent]

I did wonder that but I figured even if it didn't, a near 100 percent kill rate on suspects could have caused it.

Only ones I know I captured were the leader and the bomber

And they still got shot down, they just survived.

[fallow agate]

Either relapse is broken or im crazy. I literally cannot find the last suspect and civ anywhere

[alpine knoll]

how does relapse look like again?

[vivid crescent]

It's the hospital

[alpine knoll]

oh yea good luck with that

[fallow agate]

Yep I found a whole area I didn't explore. Place is actually a maze

[shy tulip]

Still more organized than my local VA hospital

Now that place is a maze*

that's what sleep deprivation does

[fallow agate]

Wait I did read the FAQ for the new dlc but it never did say how many new missions it would bring. What do you guys think?

[shy tulip]

It says 3 specifically

I know cause I wrote it

(the one in gen chat)

[fallow agate]

3? Well I mean it's only ten bucks so it's not terrible

One interesting thing I saw with the trailer was it looked like you can talk with civs? The one part where they showed a guy behind a fence

[prime wing]

No

[fallow agate]

Maybe it's gonna be like some opening cutscene before gunfire starts?

[prime wing]

We cant talk with civs

[fallow agate]

D;

[prime wing]

Trailer is a bit misleading. Thats just the two npcs apparently interacting

Which is still cool

[fallow agate]

Not a big fan of the mislead but I guess it's still cool

[prime wing]

Not necessarily misleading, but i can see how people may interpret it as such since people have asked for those features for a long time

Interactions in ron are just never happening in my opinion

[fallow agate]

They still haven't given us intro cutscenes (which I believed was promised but please correct me if i'm wrong)

[vivid crescent]

There is a cut animation seemingly for leaving your swat van in first person at least

[stone bay]

Oh really?

[vivid crescent]

Yeah it's on a "Ready or Not cut misc animations" video

[stone bay]

Omg, I'm a sucker for cut content, I love how there's animations for an lmg

[vivid crescent]

There was unloading animations at least. (for a pistol and LMG)

[stone bay]

pretty sure it's because instead of bagging evidence, the player would basically picks up the fallen weapons and unload them

[vivid crescent]

I presume it was cut since it'd be alot of animations.

I don't think VOID intended to make people feel ripped off (like alot of players felt) with all the cut stuff from trailers, I think it was an honest case of biting off more than they could chew.

Like unloading animations sounds cool then you realize basically every weapon needs one.

[stone bay]

Yeah haha, I also saw another video with some cut animations for a pvp mode, not sure if it's real tho.

[vivid crescent]

Yeah a PVP mode was cut, it ran badly

It's been awhile but if I recall, it had bad balancing and bad netcode.

Shame as SWAT 4's MP was fun.

[stone bay]

I wished they added the animations back, well, at least the detaining ones, it would be cool seeing the suspect trying to resist arrest

[vivid crescent]

It would be neat if you could "force arrest" a stunned suspect

Make it require equipping the zip-ties first so it's basically an incredibly risky thing like IRL melee

[stone bay]

never understood why the zip ties are even a weapon, like, most suspects will basically shred you before you get near them

and even when you stun them with a flash, you can basically just tell them to get down and that's it

[vivid crescent]

I guess it's just there since you technically equip them briefly

At least the Mulitool makes it so the game displays multi-tool locations always. (so it's easier to use)

[stone bay]

Fair enough, also, saw a couple animations for helping up a teammate, I suppose this was a cut reviving mechanic, right?

[fallow agate]

Bruh what is up with these suspects on port hokan I can't even react before I get shot at

[vivid crescent]

I presume so, also likely for PVP probably.

[stone bay]

it's probably when they detained a player of your team, you could cut them loose, in the animation it's pretty obvious that they are cutting some zipties from the officer's hands

[vivid crescent]

I do hope VOID eventually add some of these cut concepts back but I'm expecting either in A: years or B: a Ready or Not 2 in a very long time.

Even then stuff like cutting power would probably only be in a few maps.

RON uses "Pre-baked" (I think the term is) lighting effects on maps for the most part, which is time consuming but less performance intensive, so that's why cutitng power got cut.

[stone bay]

Makes sense, but I think it's for the better, I feel that it would be largely ignored by players due to the fact that most people rather play with laser than flashlights

[vivid crescent]

I'd maybe like it but only as a gimmick for some replayable map in a year or two, maybe even it's a hostage map where the trade-off is that cutting the lights makes the hostage takers more trigger happy.

But yeah even my "generous" feeling of how it could come back is "Make it a gimmick for a map or two and do not put it in all of them."

[stone bay]

Omg, I just saw the motion matching system video, it looks so good

[vivid crescent]

I presume it's a system that's hard to get working or has it's own drawbacks for why it's not here.

[stone bay]

would make gunfights feel 10x more natural imo

[vivid crescent]

Honestly I'm still amazed RON is as good as it is now, even if the old trailers showing ideas they hadn't cut yet are a bit dissapointing.

[stone bay]

I mean, there's always the small chance they get added back haha

[vivid crescent]

True, though like I said, I'm gonna be reasonable and expect years at most for some of it to come back

[stone bay]

Honestly, like you said before, some of it might be added to a couple maps as gimmicks, tho, it would be lovely to see it in-game

also, apparently, they removed the mms because the AI wouldn't path correctly sometimes

[prime wing]

i think that for the studio that they were years back, they barely could get any ideas out the door. Biting more than what they could chew. MM is just another one of those in the list

[high oxide]

yo! has anyone encountered a soundtrack issue in multiplayer?

recently convinced 3 pals to buy the game in the steam sale (💪) but when we play it in multiplayer they arent hearing the in game music - and the soundtrack is great, really adds to the intensity

[prime wing]

which maps?

also have you checked settings

[night pasture]

a TDLR of why motion matching was cut was really just, way too expensive, hell to work with and not worth the pain.

[high oxide]

all of them, i think - only the host gets the dynamic music

[night pasture]

the idea is so cool but a 40 man dev team can't handle it sadly

[prime wing]

can you record some of it

[high oxide]

i will yeah

[prime wing]

sometimes it depends on the map

music kicks in later or sooner

[high oxide]

or, i'll try to get them to record it haha

we'll be 4 guys in a room after a massive firefight and preparing on the next door, i'll be "god damn the music really brings it" and they're all "uh, what do you mean?"

cant hear any music at all

[vivid crescent]

"Finished" Relapse but I havent' handcuffed the Zahir apparently

Every other objective done including "Bring Order to Chaos" so I guess he's incapped somewhere

[vivid crescent]

Where is Zahir in "Relapse?"

[vale tangle]

he spawns on the side that has the morgue either on the first floor (in the morgue or the hallway behind it) or the floor above in the mri room or the offices around it

[winter orbit]

he roams
fella in patient gown

[vivid crescent]

ah uh I may be bugged then

[vale tangle]

no if you’re doing lethal you prob just downed him

[vivid crescent]

I have BOTH "Bring Order to Chaos" and "Rescue all of the Civilians" complete.

[vale tangle]

yeah there’s no contradiction you just haven’t restrained him

[winter orbit]

Is it a failed objective or just imcomplete?
If it just didn't complete then you need to find his incap body and restrain it

[vivid crescent]

Haven't found him yet then despite doing like 5 laps

[winter orbit]

He'll be somewhere if the objective hasn't failed

[vivid crescent]

Found him, he was ragdolled behind a door.

[strange crane]

is it possible to preload texutures before loading into a map to avoid the big lag spikes at the start

[vivid crescent]

Hope we get proper listed weapon stats sometime.

Can't even see how much capacity a firearm has.

[shy tulip]

Soon™️

[strange crane]

oh is that what new patch going to give?

[night pasture]

yes

[strange crane]

is it going to fix ais shooting through walls?

[silk junco]

omg haiii hai

[night pasture]

hai

[vivid crescent]

That's intentionall ( at least if they see you before that.)

I think they also start shooting if they hear you right behind the door like shouting.

[shy tulip]

It should include changes to make it harder for them to shoot you without seeing a reasonable amount of your body, but as Sam said, still gonna need to learn cover from concealment

[strange crane]

hm ok then

my audio seems so scuffed aswell like if an npc is shooting ahead of me its sound is coming from behind

[umbral oar]

weird question but what is the laggiest map

[quick jacinth]

Carrier of the vine in my case

[edgy linden]

I forgor the name but for me its the one where you start on the rooftop and has all the fbi or whatever agents in the hotel.

[quick jacinth]

That would be sins of the father

[vivid crescent]

Doing the final mission, don't think I've seen a single knife all run

[junior belfry]

do peperball guns not have working lasers

[stone bay]

Neon Tomb, there's something about that map that my pc doesn't like

[junior belfry]

the tpl*

[amber dock]

Most of the complaints I’ve heard about FPS are talking about Relapse and A Lethal Obsession

Neon Tomb looks like it should be performance heavy for sure, but I haven’t heard much complaints about performance on it.

[pseudo tendon]

Nah neontomb I useually get the most fps

[amber dock]

Yeah, it’s well optimized

Relapse is a different story.

[pseudo tendon]

Is that hospital

[amber dock]

Yeah

[pseudo tendon]

Do you know how to get the supporter edition??

[amber dock]

Can’t anymore

[pseudo tendon]

Damn

[royal nimbus]

which is better for maintaining swat ai survivability, FALs, shotguns, shields, ?

[frail pier]

FAL, shield yeh

[floral bramble]

i kinda wish there was a map with more long-ish hallways, still cqb but more like a P2 lab

[patent moth]

am i going crazy or does replay turn off every time you turn the game off

[shy tulip]

That is a known bug that'll be fixed next patch

[patent moth]

not like replays matter for most maps because ofthe lighting but like its a bit annoying

[umbral oar]

leak

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-tyler-glover-tyler-michael-jackson-fade-away-gif-16604176

[gaunt gale]

Sinner banned for leaking

smh

[silk junco]

sounds like something for his doctor to discuss

[strange talon]

why does the AI have fucking aimbot, i almost dont even wanna play because of it.

[shy tulip]

I'll be fine as long as I don't leak anything about Boeing

[strange talon]

this fucking game i swear to god

[floral bramble]

why would that be huh ?

[silk junco]

boioioing is the devil

[shy tulip]

The AI respond based on how you act, if you're goin in fast and killing them, then they are a lot more likely to be aware of you and respond with gunshots

Best to also lean on your team (AI or player) to move properly

[strange talon]

dude the AI literally has aimbot

this is my 6th time trying to do the mailbox mission

[patent moth]

Im going through the missions slower than usual

using AI to breach and clear and stuff, fairly easy now Im using what the devs give us lol

[strange talon]

right but, sometimes i rush, sometimes i dont./

and sometimes when i go slow i still die and it pisses me off because i just die after all that progress when GOING SLOW

[silk junco]

maybe just get better

[patent moth]

at least it aint launch 1.0 ai lol

[silk junco]

at least it’s not pre1.0 ai

[shy tulip]

Greased is famously difficulty, probably harder than most of the maps after it

[shy tulip]

people really do not remember what pre-1.0 AI was like, we at least have them doing cool stuff and animations now

[patent moth]

never forget that one gif of the AI spinning around killing all the dudes in a corridor

[silk junco]

that was exactly what i was picturing

[patent moth]

absolutely blitz' through the door and wipes out everyone

[silk junco]

most people came here post 1.0 anyways

[patent moth]

I've been playing with a buddy since pre 1.0
honestly its easier if you just

obviously double or triple tapping in my case cos im paranoid as shit
but also just playing like its a tactical game

when I first picked it up I was like "today I will play like call of duty" and my friend chewed me out for it

[ionic gale]

I semi hate the map

[shy tulip]

What's the other semi part

[ionic gale]

I mean it’s not an entirely terrible map, but I just don’t like it bc of its monster side and it’s too many angles to get constantly rushed by suspects

My first time beating it, I unintentionally kind of was doing a non lethal run and I think it would’ve been a perfect S rank

I don’t even know how my AI teammates dis not kill anybody because they all had lethal weapons because I wasn’t doing a true non-lethal run, I was just probably die with that pepper ball gun

Although the last suspect dude that I needed, one of my dudes shot him with a Remington so that was the end of that.

[burnt chasm]

Soon, will the smoking, pissing and complimenting an art animation returns?

[shy tulip]

Idk

I can tell you I've seen pissing plenty of times on Agency

[burnt chasm]

How???? I've seen none cuz all of the suspect are all doing the low-ready animation with their guns?

[stable kernel]

Rule #12 in #🤝rules🤝

[mental fable]

I hope the 73rd newsletter improves it

[cedar moth]

how big file size will the dlc + base game when it comes out on 23rd?

[stable kernel]

No official announcement on that, but it is very likely to be a complete redownload of the game, with perhaps a larger size due to the new content

[shy tulip]

Hobo on agency

[blissful harness]

Tbh, data won't be wiped, right? I don't wanna grind the unlockables again.

To think about it, that's a dumb question I ask.

[oak copper]

ye xd

[shy tulip]

Shouldn't, but anything is possible

I'm starting to think most of yall losing your data are either on different PCs or hit clear saves when the game crashes

[blissful harness]

Doesn't the game use cloud save?

[shy tulip]

Should

[prime wing]

Is it possible to just copy a save

And keep it as a backup

[blissful harness]

I heard someone losing their data from uninstalling the game and installing it again.

Most Hawaiian shirt players I see play with no tactics, and either 1. Destroy the enemies but ruin the game or 2. Get destroyed by enemies immediately.

I don't know if that counts as ruining the game, but they kind of play it like "Rush to your death" tactic?

[prime wing]

the hawaiian shirt playerbase has to be the new category in ron lore

[blissful harness]

I actually wonder what makes them so different from us, the Hawaiian shirt players.

[plucky night]

Howdy i had a question regarding the Home Invasion dlc

[shy tulip]

We may have an answer

[plucky night]

with some games only the host needs toi have the dlc in order for all players to access the content such as missions. I was curious if this might be the case with Home Invasion

[prime wing]

#💬general-discussion message

only host needs it

[plucky night]

Thank you

[blissful harness]

Any crazy backstory you think of for your OC in multiplayer, guys?

[strange talon]

i love this game but i feel like the ai needs to be nerfed a bit

plus police ai is pretty dumb, and on top of that this game makes me very anxious, which they've captured the feel of being a swat officer

every corner makes you think and its very stressful, not sure if you're gonna get shot in the face. the sound design is incredible

[shy tulip]

I was gonna use chatgpt to make a fake story, but it wrote a whole ass essay

[shy tulip]

They're probably gonna get harder considering that ceramic armor is being fixed, but the SWAT AI should be receiving tweaks/improvements to fix their probs

[merry kindle]

When swat ai works it's great but I typically have to reset them by using fall in then re issuing orders

Suspect AI is good imo minus the targeting tweaks they're already implementing

[halcyon mountain]

What’s wrong with ceramic armor?

[shy tulip]

From my understanding (if you trust the smiling man), is that it takes a lot more hits than it should in both "deleting damage" and reducing damage.

Basically I think it's supposed to take x number of hits until it starts to chip away at the armor, and then you take a % of damage from that until it breaks, but it's like x3 what it should be

[halcyon mountain]

Gotcha

[blissful harness]

Tbh, while I'm a rather experienced player (411 hours), being shot at is still inevitable.
According to my experience on training and sharing tactics with some milsim Airsofters and soldiers and playing games involving CQB, your enemies would always be able to get at least one shot at you if he's holding security at the door. You won't be able to react unless you got devices for distractions.

Just a food for thought, I'm not exactly a soldier myself.
But treat every CQB gunfight like you'll get shot.

[uneven iron]

they always get stuck at a door breach with the breach shotgun for some reason

[royal nimbus]

homeless opioid addict turned tier one operator

[floral bramble]

That's definitely a Bollywood movie

[blissful harness]

I did a little research, apparently there was someone who was Adam Brown.

Well, I made multiple outfits considered as different characters without backstory.

First one was a Mexican BORTAC member with anime tattoos on his arm.

Second is a LSPD member with custom uniform and plate carrier.
Third one is a FISA agent wearing rash guard outfit. I'm yet to decide his race though.

[floral bramble]

based

[uneven iron]

hey random question

if you wanna stun a suspect with a taser, do you need to fire both prongs or only fire one prong?

[blissful harness]

I'd assume one would do. Second would be backup.

[uneven iron]

noted

so i have been bringing 6 mags of taser for nothing

[floral bramble]

oner shot stuns a suspect

[blissful harness]

I forgot how many mags equals one slot of taser.

[uneven iron]

3 mags for 1 slot of taser. 6 mags for 2 slot of taser

[shy tulip]

One should work, but it's not always the easiest to hit them, so if you can bring more taser ammo, do it.

[uneven iron]

yeah, its just when you get to pick between an extra slugs for my shotgun or an extra 3 mags for my taser it gets complicated

[jolly owl]

Just remember some suspects kill themselves if you shoot them with one taser prong instead...

(Ahem. ISIS in Neon)

[uneven iron]

seriously, they can shoot themselves?

[blissful harness]

I'm pretty sure they're Yemen dudes, not ISIS.
I could be wrong.

[jolly verge]

Yes, suspects on relapse and club have suicide chance

[jolly owl]

Yeah they're from Yemen, but its assumed they also fought the Houthis too - so thats why I said ISIS

[uneven iron]

makes sense

[uneven iron]

fictional terrorist group from the middle east #534355

[jolly owl]

if the bombers arent enough proof they're ISIS idk what it is

[noble pasture]

ISIS was a group in Iraq and Syria so no, the Hand is Yemen based

[celest umbra]

stupid question: if I wear a tactical shield on my back, it will protect it from gunfire, right?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[floral bramble]

Shoot them un the head then

[floral bramble]

Yes, turtle mode

[stone bay]

Hi not sure if it was specified or not but will the change to unreal engine 5 happen the same time they release the new dlc?

[royal nimbus]

yes

[stone bay]

Oh cool thank you

[eternal vine]

how much will home invasion be

[umbral oar]

$10

[eternal vine]

how many missions

[prime wing]

the steam page has the info, some maps and cosmetics.

Guns are free for all players as well as balaclavas

[stone stump]

dlc's steam page? guns are described there as if they were part of the dlc, which is a bit misleading

[umbral oar]

i could see that

[vivid crescent]

NGL wish we could stick the carry handles we see on suspect AR-15 weapons on our own

[stone stump]

not stating explicitly that you can play these maps even without the dlc (you just can't choose (host) them) is misleading as well

but i might just be expecting way too much transparency and maybe it's okay to trick people into buying something they don't really need

[prime wing]

well if anyone bothers to think about it before buying the purchase, they can get that info in many platforms as well as the pinned messages in the server. But i can see how someone who is out of the loop may see it that way especially if they arent into the game media or the forums themselves.

[stone stump]

imo dlc description should be pretty precise in what it actually does

as relying on "technically, we said that in an announcement (which no one reads)" might be a bit stupid

[prime wing]

if people cannot read or dont want to idk, its always been an issue for every game. Similar to people who were expecting to have a season pass with the supporter edition. That was simply not true and they never bothered to read the perks of basically pre ordering something at a mark up price.

i believe that a lot of people still expect second dlc free

[vivid crescent]

And that's Port done

Nice level though as I've said before, the events of it were already shown in one of those black and white pre-release trailers so it kinda feels like an abrupt ending instead of where another arc was going to start.

[honest owl]

Agreed, all the info pertaining the DLC should be available on the DLC storepage.

[vivid crescent]

Also I can now dress up as classic SWAT which is nice.

Also I lost 6 officers and have 1 quit I think in the end.

Also found

||The hidden room in the station though it seems you cant get inside it||

Also why is there just, one prisoner I can find and kill in a room

[copper cypress]

When will the game be updated?

[blissful harness]

23rd or 24th depending on the TZ.

[urban walrus]

Where are you getting that info? About being able to play DLC maps even without owning them or the need to join a lobby with the host that have the DLCs. Also, they did state that the guns are free and will be added to the base game via an update that is releasing at the same time as the DLC in the Gif right above the description about the guns. Although they could have stated it better and more clearly, but the disclaimer is there.

[prime wing]

Hes saying that the steam page does not say it

[urban walrus]

Does not say that you can play the DLC without buying it when playing with a host that have the said DLC?

[prime wing]

yeah

[blissful harness]

I kind of wonder how realistic and hardcore is Ready or Not.

[bold sky]

hardly hardcore after they stop the ai from being an actual challenge

[blissful harness]

Tbh, I forgot how hardcore are they.
I bought this game at Adam Update, and they never proved to be a challenge under an organized team, and soon solo.

[stone stump]

it also doesn't say that the guns aren't part of the dlc. they outright show a graphic there "new guns" like they're part of the dlc. consistency/correctness is something void doesn't seem to understand, like at all

as if the internal guidelines for stuff like this were "don't misinform people (optionally)"

[sand topaz]

nevermind i just needed to scroll up a bit 🙂

[limber steppe]

what are you talking about, the DLC page does say that the guns will be free, it's written in big white text on the bottom right corner of the gif showcasing them

[stone stump]

oof, still weird how no one pointed it out until now. kinda proves that it's not exactly readable

still, the guns aren't part of the dlc, so why bother putting it there?

[limber steppe]

I feel like it's reasonably visible, seeing how I was able to catch it on my first read of the page, especially since 2 of the gif's shots take place in a dark environment, making it stand out a lot

[limber steppe]

To showcase what the update alongside the DLC adds, with proper disclaimers in place for things that will be free

[stone stump]

the description refers to the dlc, doesn't it?

and yet the only thing being factually correct there is the list of customization gear

which is indeed only available if you have that dlc

and i guess "Note: Base game required to play DLC." is too, even if it's redundant as steam tells you that anyway

[limber steppe]

Yeah, but I imagine it was simply more convenient to describe the full update in the DLC page and then outline what hides behind a paywall, I think they made it clear enough
And besides, anyone who actually cares to verify what they purchase can take the few extra minutes to find out about the lesser details that didn't make it onto the store page

Like, that only the host of a multiplayer game needs to own it to play the maps

[stone stump]

really convenient for them to not say that in the dlc description, isn't it?

[stone stump]

it would be more convenient to put that in the game update changelog