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[near steppe]

I usually compare price to quality

If I pay for a game that is $80 I expect a game of that quality

after all I am making a significant investment

[trail dagger]

It's a steal for me though lmfao

Not saying why though

[stone bay]

i got the key thru a 3rd party site so im more than happy with it

[trail dagger]

Alright game related, where do y'all spawn in Ides of March?

[delicate parcel]

whichever one is the default

[trail dagger]

I spawned in fire exit

[fading scarab]

why i cant move while playing mid game and it only show cursor?

[queen void]

i need help

with mission ideas of march, its like my 20th try

[lavish mural]

Am I stupid or is there no crouch button

[queen void]

i think its ctrl

but hold it down

[wraith basin]

Wedge doors and clear middle section area first. When middle section area cleared, clear the rooms that you wedged.

[queen void]

thx

i will try it now

[whole garnet]

I cleared all suspects from that and was like “you know what would be really annoying and really funny is if I die to a door trap” fast forward 34 seconds, BOOM “Officer down”

[whole garnet]

I’ll be happy to help if you still need it, also nice Arthur Morgan pfp👍

[near steppe]

I noticed that ready or not has a very unstable loading system

I have to stay in game until I am first loaded into the police headquarters, if I don't the game crashes

[ripe solar]

Guys, what gun should i bring to the Cherryesa Farm mission

[river tide]

ga416

[ripe solar]

Do the enemies on that map wear armor>

[jolly verge]

yeap, but only l2 and l3a, so you will be good with any rifle ammo (expect 5.56 JHP, it's cant pen l3a)

[ripe solar]

ok thank you.

[jolly verge]

if you take sa-58 everyone will incap from just 1 torso shot

[ripe solar]

so should i bring ap or jhp

[jolly verge]

jhp for better limbs damage or ap if you want pen covers

[ripe solar]

Ok

[frail quartz]

Depends, JHP has a reduced chance of overpenetration but is also a guaranteed chance of killing someone if you hit them in the upper arms/thighs

[jolly verge]

jhp is fine, and it's have more stagger chance in limbs and bare torso

[ripe solar]

alright. Thanks guys.

[near steppe]

fuuuuck, I really need to take this game slowly

when I'm doing well I get a bit of a high and then I run into a trap and die

[queen void]

Thx for the tip and compliment

[near steppe]

BRUH

I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE FUCKING GRENADE LINE, I DID SO WELL

[river tide]

Black lung

be quiet cowpoke, you live in the clouds

[fossil palm]

i had an instant where a door was open but that trap was still armed walked and exploded.

[merry idol]

im still early into the campaign for grenade door traps to be of any worry, but i remember the first time playing RoN, first door i opened on twisted nerve was a nade trap

[stone bay]

The first time I played Ides of March I killed my team by making them ram a trapped door.

[merry idol]

i don't play with others often since none of my friends play the game, but i did accidentally kill all of my AI squad by mirroring a door and not noticing the massive fucking grenade to the right of the camera

[sharp fox]

yeah, always check the left and right sides of the doors when you mirror, you might get a surprise when you open them

[coral lava]

about to start my ready or not journey, any tips?

[copper cypress]

Do grenades and gunshots have a greater impact than a broken door?

[jolly verge]

you mean kicking door? and impact on morale or stress?

[copper cypress]

Yes

I mean would kicking in the door alert a suspect further away?

[jolly verge]

kicking door is 10m, gunshots 20m, idk about grenades, about 15-20m?

[copper cypress]

!!!!!

Will the range of gunfire be reduced by a suppressor?

like 20-(5~10)?

[jolly verge]

nope, it's same with and without supressor, it's only reduce stress gain by suspects

[copper cypress]

:((

[near steppe]

oh

I did valley of the dolls

[copper cypress]

What about yelling?

[jolly verge]

well, i test it earlier and it's affect suspects from 50m and more, but idk what hearing distance when you don't have line of sight with them

[copper cypress]

50m!?

😱

[jolly verge]

only when you have line of sight with suspect/civi

[copper cypress]

Oh~

[jolly verge]

yeah, hearing distance might be much lower

i will test it and let you know

[copper cypress]

Thanks

[jolly verge]

they can hear and comment it from far away, but they will gain stress only if you in 20m radius

and your yelling have a short duration, so you can yell behind wall and then rush suspect, that yell will affect him

[copper cypress]

Got it 👍

[low lichen]

Is there any info about the gamma one experiment? I saw it mentioned a few times on the wiki but it doesn't have its own page so I don't really know what it is

[lost inlet]

what the hell is gamma one experiment?

ron deep lore?

[hexed leaf]

To sum it up, ||Judge seems to be a key part in an experiment by the USIA very similar to MK Ultra||

[silk junco]

[umbral oar]

he insists upon it

[snow sphinx]

god i hate dutch

i hated him literally first second i seen him on the screen

[sacred topaz]

how can i make this game harder? i played every mission with my duo and a tiered. its literally too easy
i genuinely dont think the ai is hard

[next olive]

plenty of ai mods exist to make things more difficult

[gleaming bison]

Dude why are kids playing this game I swear to god

[tranquil dock]

Under 18s playing an 18+ game? Shocker...

Next they'll be watching R rated movies...

[shy tulip]

Then they'll take your wives

[tranquil dock]

then they'll take your kids and become loving stepparents

[sacred topaz]

suggestions?

[forest summit]

is it just me or are people joining other private lobbies

[next olive]

no but just look on nexus lol

[umbral oar]

astral ai is pretty cool

[strong crag]

has anyone else had it to where you Wedge a door on the outside but the people inside of it just open it like its not there?

[native rune]

Yes many times

[dry badge]

Every time I tell my Ai to search and secure, they say yes and don't do anything, does anyone know why?

[shy tulip]

The AI may be in a spot they can't reach, such as at spawn, or behind a locked door, or what's left they cannot report (soft objectives)

[dry badge]

I am only missing one civilian on the hospital mission

[native rune]

There may be a surrendered person somewhere they can’t reach/search, or there may be a civilian not surrendered somewhere

[dry badge]

And on another account, I was literally next to a civilian and they still did nothing

[native rune]

Search areas vary by location, usually within a room aka an area closed by stack-up points. Afaik swat ai will only search the room if suspects haven’t been dealt with yet, and will search everywhere once they have been, but they won’t seek out and arrest civilians just milling around not on their knees.

Some areas, like the large outside portion of postal, cannot be searched by the ai and the option is greyed out

[dry badge]

Ok, my situation right now is that I have completed every objective on the hospital, except arrest all civilians, the ai still don't move

[native rune]

Then I assume there’s a civilian hidden somewhere who is not on their knees

Spamming shout might make them do so, they might also be trapped behind a locked or wedged door

[dry badge]

Locked door could be, but it would be highly unlikely, since I walked through the entire map trice now and found nothing new

[native rune]

Did you command any civilians to move to the exit? That also has a high probability of not working properly, civs will run to your spawn point and stand there uncuffed

[dry badge]

That's a thing?

[native rune]

Mhm, if you press the middle mouse button on a civilian who is on their knees, you’ll have the option to order them to run to the exit.

[dry badge]

Uffff, finally found the last guy

[native rune]

Ironically I’ve found it’s especially broken and nonfunctional on maps where it would be prudent like campus.

[dry badge]

He was just standing behind a loses door

[native rune]

Yup

[dry badge]

But thanks for your help

[round arch]

How much fun is ready or not?

Even alone?

Cause I don't have many mates.

[quasi blade]

Yes

[round arch]

I'll probably buy. Are the controls easy to get use too?

[quasi blade]

Yes

[shy tulip]

I wouldn't say anything more complicated than most other games, the most complex part probably just being understanding the command menu for SP

[novel horizon]

#🔎looking-for-players

[round arch]

Alr Ty.

[river tide]

very

[delicate parcel]

how in the hell do you get an s rank on neon tomb. my swat guys are suddenly made of wet toilet paper

[misty snow]

Fuck Brisa cove dude I got hit with nade traps that didn’t even show on the snake cam

Did they patch that out or something

[stone bay]

That’s why I don’t bother with the optiwand anymore. If I peek a door and see a wire, I’m moving my team back a respectable distance and that door is getting blown the fuck up.

[misty snow]

Yeah, but it’s nice to be able to get the drop on suspects, otherwise I guess door peek everything

[stone bay]

DX11 or DX12 better to run?

[lost inlet]

Depend

[stone bay]

just wondering if dx12 is good to run, as i know sometimes dx11 is better optimised

for some games

[jolly verge]

whats your pc specs?

[stone bay]

3080, i9 13900k, 32gb RAM ddr5, running on SSD

[jolly verge]

dx12 for sure

[stone bay]

yeah thats what i've just booted up

[umbral oar]

dx11 is absolutely unplayable for me

[stone bay]

Do the guns you use actually change any stats?

[thin chasm]

i found some negotiator, paramedic and moral officer lines in the VO folder, but never heard them in game, do they actually trigger somehow?

[thin chasm]

i think so, but as far as i know, not by much

[stone bay]

yeah as i am checking out the armour, doesnt seem to give stats either, so not sure whats best to run really

[jolly verge]

you mean damage?

it's depends on caliber

[stone bay]

yep

[jolly verge]

every 5.56 gun deal same damage

[stone bay]

i was looking at wrong armour lol

[stone bay]

cheers

[jolly verge]

There a good spreadsheet with all stats if you need https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[stone bay]

👍

[lost inlet]

Kevlar sucks, ceramic when you play commander and steel when you multiplayer or pratice

[thin chasm]

ceramic is just good all-around, never really had it completely break, and if you were in a situation where it did, you'd probably already be dead anyway from limb damage

you still get injured through steel plates while ceramic completely protects you

not to mention vanilla acceleration on steel is abyssmal, four seconds to reach full speed with f+b plates iirc

[crude prism]

Ceramic is bugged to fuck right now, you can absorb up to 10 hits (per plate) from 7.62x51 AP and take no damage

it's only supposed to be 4 hits

[thin chasm]

huh

[delicate parcel]

i'm trying out commander mode for the first time and i'm a little surprised that my team's mental state can actually go up after a mission

[crude prism]

feb 6th patch broke (almost all) damage calculation from AI -> players

we're approaching 4 months with no fix, certified Void moment 🤷

[delicate parcel]

i'll definitely take being able to tank more damage for the time being

[thin chasm]

hey at least we're gonna be getting lip sync !! at some point !!!

[crude prism]

soonTM

[stone bay]

Are chemlights just to show where you've been?

[lost inlet]

Oh yeah i forget about that

Ceramic meta for now

[lost inlet]

Supposedly

[stone bay]

any light purposes?

[thin chasm]

not really, im pretty sure they're only there to mark cleared rooms

[crude prism]

they're actually snacks for the SWAT team

[humble mauve]

they're microwaveable

(do not)

[crude prism]

"glowstick" is just the misleading description to hide the fact that they're actually uranium rods that refill the SWAT (cyborg) internal fusion cores

[stone bay]

sweet

[thin chasm]

that's what judge tells himself when the rest of the team is weirded out at him chewing on the lightsticks

[delicate parcel]

you'll ruin your awesome shirt

[crude prism]

queue the epic flashback of being on a camping trip and kids were throwing them into a fire

glowsticks stick to kids...

[thin chasm]

i love how aggressive the vanilla AI is,
"oh boy i cant wait to prevent deaths in my game about preventing deaths" every single suspect in the map about to run through the same door:

[queen void]

how can trap doors be at the exact start on mission ideas of march???

[queen void]

i do need help

[jolly verge]

they just have a chance to spawn there, so you will faster understand that you need to be careful and check every door

[queen void]

my head hurts from mission ideas of march

[delicate parcel]

i can help too if you still need someone but i play almost solely singleplayer so i have a bit of inexperience with the flow of multiplayer

[queen void]

i am currently on solo mode adn doing good i will elt u know if I need help!

[delicate parcel]

sounds good. good luck to you

i'm trying for the fancy watch and i'm up to mindjot

[sonic aurora]

How can i get the taser?

[jolly verge]

it's in tactical devices

[sonic aurora]

Thx

[queen void]

FINNALY

I BEAT IT

C ON IDEAS OF MARCH

wait

what? I didnt beat it? HOWWWWW? I do not understand

[delicate parcel]

huh? i don't know how you can get a c and not have it beat

[queen void]

ik right?!

i got like 3.5k points

[delicate parcel]

i'm assuming you didn't die, and i know you can beat it without completing all objectives because i didn't get 3 suspects arrested and it still let me move on to the next one

i was running it when you were first talking about it actually

[queen void]

i died bc of a grenade

[delicate parcel]

i think if you die it's an automatic fail

[queen void]

oh

but now I cant do anything bc one of my team is in crisis and the rest are stressed and the therapy is full

[delicate parcel]

that's a rough one for sure. i'm glad i haven't had to deal with that yet

to be honest i should probably run the game in normal commander mode before trying the full ironman no deaths run

the idea of running pretty much the entire second half of the missions has me sweating a little bit

plus i still need my S ranks and that seems easier with the traits than trying to run everything in practice mode

[jolly verge]

if you die it's wont count. You unlock next mission even if you get negative score with F grade, just make sure you complete or fail every objective

[queen void]

so u say to kill every civilina?

[delicate parcel]

i think your team will eventually have a problem with that

[jolly verge]

you can do it, but your swat ai will agro on you if you will do it in wrong way

yeah, after 3 civi kills all your officers will resigned from duty

[delicate parcel]

plus they're not shooting back at you anyway

[empty ember]

Boy am I bad at arresting suspects. They usually end up dead. Maybe it's just in my blood since I'm Russian

I am just going all FSB SOBR on these guys

[delicate parcel]

the way i see it, i'm not bad at arresting suspects, suspects are just really good at making suicidal decisions

[empty ember]

They keep dying from gunshots terminal stupidity

[delicate parcel]

raising a gun at a heavily armored man who is already aiming at you can only end one way

especially if you opt to take cover behind anything that isn't bulletproof and six feet thick, because i do not care about overpenetration when selecting my equipment in the slightest

i'll tell you what i'm absolutely not looking forward to; the Hanged Man achievement

[sonic pebble]

jesus christ

[low lichen]

flashbangs and gas don't trigger roe right? Just bullets?

[thin chasm]

^ suspects still feel really aggressive and willing to throw their lives away even after the updates

for example the gas station suspects will just try hunt me down every time

[empty ember]

Is there a reason for there being a whole squad of bad guys in the 2nd mission when intel said it's just one guy who shot his mom

[hexed leaf]

apparently there's a gang fight going on, coincidentally. That seems to be the reason they went with. I don't personally agree with it but of course some people would find it pretty boring if it was just one, easily arrestable dude

[shy tulip]

They're his friends, it's a textbook swatting* call on paper, that turns into something more.

Either blame it on his chat or blame the fact that you can hear his loud ass game from spawn

[empty ember]

Idk I think it'd be cool to have some curveball missions where it really is just 1 dude you have to arrest.

[hexed leaf]

yeah no I agree with that

[shy tulip]

Plus I like to think he pulled the gamer move of shouting threats at people on the other side of the game

[hexed leaf]

"Mr. Williams, come out with your hands up!"
"Your mom's a fat-ass"
"...?"

[trail dagger]

Got a B on that iirc

Couldn't get the arrest 3 suspects objective cuz I shot all of them

[trail dagger]

It would've been better if they were like a local gang trying to get some rep so they helped imo

[trail dagger]

Imagine a mission where there are like zero suspects and only civvies and the briefing didn't tell you lol

Like a dope raid like the methouse but the suspects bailed before you got there so you only find prints and the meth

[low lichen]

Is there a way to fix the bug where your cursor gets unlocked and you can't do anything after opening the select mission

[trail dagger]

I think you should head over to #💻tech-support or sum, if the problem gets fixed but returns then might be a bug or something idk though

[dry badge]

No grandes do, only projectiles

[low lichen]

I wish you could get achievements in multiplayer

[dry badge]

I finally did it "Medal of Valor" !!!!

[whole garnet]

Check your dm’s and let me know when your free and I should be able to help👍

[queen void]

ok!

[queen void]

I installed some mods to make it easier

[stone bay]

Do SMGs give the benefit of anything since they are lighter?

[blissful sable]

its better like it is rn

[dry badge]

You are more likely to incapacitate a suspect, rather then killing him, dunno of that's an advantage

And of course less recoil

[stone bay]

Good when getting S tier no? Incapped is better than killing.

I haven't got an S tier so wouldn't know.

[dry badge]

Nope, incapacitate doesn't count for S teir

[dry badge]

I have, it's a nightmare

[stone bay]

lol

So what you just have to tase them?

No way people are putting down their guns.

[dry badge]

I gave all of my ai a beanbag shotgun

[stone bay]

haha smart

[dry badge]

Otherwise they would shoot each other with a pepper ball gun, messing up S tier

[stone bay]

havent messed round with the beanbag stuff

What are hollowpoint rounds? are they the same as beanbag rounds or whatever

[dry badge]

From my experience beanbag are way better then pepper ball guns

[dry badge]

Hollow point are to inflict a bigger wound to unarmored enemies, it kills

[stone bay]

Ahh.

[jolly verge]

A bit higher base damage, higher limbs damage compare to AP rounds, less cover and armor penetration

[dry badge]

Interesting, I don't know any stats in game, but what is the benefit to limb damage?

[stone bay]

i guess to take them down

and not kill them

[jolly verge]

limbs damage have multipliers, for AP round it's 0.3 and for JHP 0.7 (expect 4.6x30. 5.7x28 and 7.62x51, they have 0.3x limb multiplier no matter of ammo type)

you will need more hits to limbs compare to torso shots for incapacitate/kill

[dry badge]

Ah, ok thanks

[stone bay]

or just aim for the head while you tank tons of bullets 😄 👍

[dry badge]

Another question, I want to do the hanged man achievement, that means beating port only with Taser, flash bangs and bash, but what is a bash?

[jolly verge]

melee hit

[stone bay]

B is it not?

[jolly verge]

yeap

[jolly verge]

this spreadsheet contain all useful info about game https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[trail dagger]

It do be like that sometimes

I kinda cheat the game by using practice mode first then heading over to commander mode

[trail dagger]

Messiah

[trail dagger]

Would be nice to see if it demolishes the target's morale, imagine getting your hand explode lol

[stone bay]

I just beat my best time on Ides

[bronze grove]

Hey everyone, does RoN work well on steam deck ? I wanna buy but kinda hesitant

[near steppe]

Any tips for the hide and seek mission?

[silk junco]

you’re the seeker and they are hiders

[wraith basin]

Clear outside area first before entering inside.

[near steppe]

gee thanks

[wraith basin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near steppe]

anyone got helpful advice other than clear outside than inside?

[still sorrel]

Why do my cosmetics apply to each loadout?

[jolly verge]

Loadout and customization is separate things. You can save loadout but not your cosmetics

[still sorrel]

wait what

[sharp geyser]

try making your way to the right hand side of the map, clear the tower and then the warehouse, make sure to bring some wedges to block the doors on the warehouse

[still sorrel]

So ill always wear the same cosmetics?

[jolly verge]

yeah, there is no option to that yet

[still sorrel]

And I have to manually change them for every loadout?

[near steppe]

I did not know there was a tower

[still sorrel]

mfw 1.0 launched 6 months ago

oh nvm. it somehow got fixed

thx

it kinda works, just sometimes it just refuses to update

50/50 chance you the cosmetics actually come when you change loadout

[fallow zenith]

Are there grey armoured helmets/vests/shoulder pauldrons? Or is there a mod for it? I don't have RON yet but I am curious if it is possible to recreate a DSI (dutch swat) loadout, not necessarily with the badges and stuff

And does stuff cost money, and is there a sandbox mode ish thing?

[silk junco]

theres a grey helmet p sure

and nothing costs money but you have to play to unlock cosmetics

[misty island]

The vanila does not have a fully grey outfit. I can not tell about mods.

[misty island]

Only game and DLCs will cost money. No microtransactions(thank you VOID at least for something). What do you mean by Sandbox mode? Like Garry's mode, where you can do stuff? No, there is not such thing in vanilla.
The stuff in game is play-to-earn, some is locked behind some challange. Or you can just use a mod to unlock all.

[wraith basin]

Dm?

[blissful sable]

give the AI pepperballs and gas masks, and use a beanbag urself

otherwise the AI will Headshot suspects which kills then

[misty island]

Yes, use my guide.

[misty island]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3190461026

[manic walrus]

Any tips for not getting lost in the rust belt tunnels?

[misty island]

You will learn them after giving it a couple of tries or use a map.

[manic walrus]

alrighty. Thanks

[misty island]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3190461026

This is a good guide for all maps' blueprints.

[manic walrus]

thank you so much

[oak copper]

When update? when pvp?

[silk junco]

soon

[misty island]

According to the roadmap, the 1.1 with DLC during spring. By the looks of it, it will be released tomorrow.
PVP us not in plans right now.

[umbral oar]

ai doesn’t headshot with beanbag anymore so they can use them

[blissful sable]

wait fr??

[umbral oar]

yis

i did my medal of valor with a full beanbag squad

[blissful sable]

omg thank god

i didnt knew that im sorry

[dry badge]

I gave all of my AI the bean bag shotgun, I think in total they killed 5 Suspects and I completed all missions on S with this

[dry badge]

Nope, they do, but it's very rare like 5 dead trough my entire playthrough

[dry badge]

Me too but still a few suspects died

[umbral oar]

hasn’t happened to me yet

i would guess those were suspect suicides or friendly fire incidents

i had to restart club and hospital multiple times because they kept shooting themselves

[dry badge]

Nope I know that on at least once the AI shot a suspect, but again I think it really depends on situation, like if Ai can only see head they shoot head

[dry badge]

I didn't know that suspects can shoot themselves

[umbral oar]

i never really see it much, i just hear a singular gunshot in the next room and then the guy starts screaming

[magic hearth]

They can also fake suicide and shoot at you last minute!

[dry badge]

Really? That never happened to me, how rare is it?

[lost inlet]

never

also its john void themselves

[crude prism]

it's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally rare

[manic linden]

just joined a game with 8 players. is that a mod or a hack ?

[crude prism]

just modded

[sterile dust]

yo guys do u recommend any mods? like maybe graphics wise or some new guns

[eager jackal]

Anybody have any reccomended mod maps?

[eager jackal]

Gunfighter no questions asked, It's the G.O.A.T for me

[pastel marten]

Got a question. Do the NPCs fake their deaths only in specific maps, or can they do that in every map?

[civic zinc]

i think a suspect decided to shoot himself during my hospital s rank run

[hexed leaf]

Im fairly certain they are able to do that in all maps. Some are just more likely to do it than others

[crude prism]

it can happen everywhere

the more hits it takes to down someone, the more likely it will happen, so generally you'll see it on harder levels with more armor

[hexed leaf]

there is also a setting in the aileveldata that affects the chance for them to do it at all

[river tide]

it usually happens if you kill every suspect except for the main one like george in the spider, he will try to shoot him self

[oak copper]

ty

[dry veldt]

why do my operators always lose sanity no matter what I do

[frail quartz]

What scores would you say you get on average?

[dry veldt]

B-A

[frail quartz]

Hmm that doesn't really seem like something they'd loose their minds over

Yeah, the whole mental health system is kinda janky

[dry veldt]

they always go down, mine went from content to crisi

in one mission and im trying to get the watch

[sharp geyser]

if you incapacitate/kill suspects your bots will lose sanity

[jolly verge]

kill less and arrest more, there is no other way around

[sharp geyser]

also on elephant your bots will lose sanity no matter what

[frail quartz]

B/A seems like a pretty solid grade though

[dry veldt]

yeah cause its a school that makes sense

but on my next mission im bound to lose a bot no matter what

since theyre all on crisis and i cant get any more

[frail quartz]

Try going less lethal on some of the easier maps to help improve their morale

[jolly verge]

just run gas station or any other small map fully non-lethal, they will recover to content

[sharp geyser]

yeah just spam pepperball/beanbag on Ends of the earth

[dry veldt]

sounds like a plan

[icy wraith]

it's actually not that hard. keep the general direction forward. Some paths go parallel. get to the river clearing the path you choose, return through another route and u'll have cleared most of it. Avoid going around, too much turning can get you confused.

[half crescent]

Use chemlights with [ C ]

[tiny swift]

Hello I'm thinking of going for the developer's ruined watch, if I start a new game for that will I have to reacquire all the S rank cosmetics I've unlocked so far?

[jolly verge]

Nope, everything that you unlock before will stay in new game

[rotund sleet]

is ready or not 5 players or 4?

[misty island]

What mission was that?

[misty island]

5

[rotund sleet]

ty

[dry veldt]

the one after 23 mg a second

[misty island]

Hm, strange. Looks like you just kill/incapacitaded just too many suspect.
They will always go to crisis after Elephant.

[tiny swift]

Nice, thank you

[stone bay]

i swear this game had pvp multiplayer last time i played, and more game modes (last year)

did they remove content?

[novel horizon]

I mean, the game has had friendly fire, but no proper PvP mode. They did remove the ability to choose the modes the map would be and opted to make the maps have a specific mode instead

College and hospital are always bomb threat now, for example

College is also active shooters on top of that

[stone bay]

i see, i remember now there being options for ROE and such

[novel horizon]

That sounds like a mod ngl

[trail dagger]

RoN shouldn't have a PvP mode tbh

[novel horizon]

Mustve been before I started playing around in early 2023

[trail dagger]

Twisted Nerve?

[stone bay]

it worked in zero hour tbf, it was just really realistic siege basically

[loud vale]

It would be great if this game had a PVP mode.

I don't see why not since Zero Hour has it.

[novel horizon]

Idk if the game should have official PvP, but the PvP or Not mod is pretty fucking solid

It plays similarly to Siege

[loud vale]

We shouldn't have to have a mod for everything.

[loud vale]

Yikes.

[stone bay]

to be fair, pvp isnt necessary for this game, i prefer the PvE as it is, and i doubt the pvp would catch on to be honest

[loud vale]

What's the issue with having it as an option?

[dry veldt]

maybe

[loud vale]

You don't have to play it.

[trail dagger]

Better than nothing but yeah, would be nice if mods get Integrated to the game as features

[novel horizon]

It's one thing when it's QoL and it's another when it's a whole game mode that requires its own dev time and resources

[stone bay]

i just wish there was more to do in HQ, besides loadout mods, and the ipad thing

[trail dagger]

Defeats the in-game lore

[novel horizon]

People already complain about AI and performance and stuff in the missions. Taking dev time from that to make a new gamemode would probably upset a lot of people

[loud vale]

I disagree with that.

[stone bay]

it just takes time and resources, plus i doubt many people would play pvp for this game to be honest

[loud vale]

It works just fine in Zero Hour.

There's still lore to that game as well.

[novel horizon]

Then go play Zero Hour

[stone bay]

not really tbh, its really clunky

[trail dagger]

Depends if the devs want to add criminals as a playable faction or sum

[loud vale]

That'd be pretty cool.

[loud vale]

Who knows, I would though.

[trail dagger]

Or string up a story where somehow a different department ended up in Los Suenos and comms couldn't be established

[loud vale]

Why so serious?

[novel horizon]

That's sort of what the PvP mod does. One team is SWAT and the other is suspects. It plays a lot more like you've just plucked suspects out and put players in their place

[humble mauve]

pvp is still planned afaik but the main pve experience is still the main focus

[trail dagger]

They got their own gear?

[loud vale]

Yeah but both of them are still wearing the same gear.

[novel horizon]

I'm just saying that if you're going to go "X game should have Y feature because Z game has it", go play Z game?

[dry veldt]

how does one become a moderator

[novel horizon]

Theyre not, last I checked

[loud vale]

Sounds like you're being a bit toxic.

[stone bay]

finish ironmode without any casualties

[loud vale]

Interesting.

[stone bay]

stop instigating lol, if the game doesnt have PvP so be it

[loud vale]

As it should be, I just think PVP would be cool.

[novel horizon]

Yes. Changes with the map too

[trail dagger]

Imo, solid coop foundation should be priority

[loud vale]

Mind your own business?

[novel horizon]

Sounds like you're projecting

[trail dagger]

Nice, but imagine if it went deeper

[humble mauve]

that's what they are doing

[loud vale]

I'm simply just discussing things.

[stone bay]

we were having a civil discussion until you started being a bit toxic over pvp

[loud vale]

Never once was I toxic, I gave my own opinion.

[trail dagger]

Suspects get to spawn in first and mess up the map to look like the map for single player

[loud vale]

If you don't like that then that's your issue.

[trail dagger]

Like that first mission, the robbery

[stone bay]

okay dude

[trail dagger]

Then swat faction rolls in lol

[novel horizon]

It would be pretty nice if you got 20 or so seconds to place traps and stuff (suspects do get to place C2 and stuff)

Iirc, everyone spawns in at the same time

[stone bay]

icl the spider map would be great for pvp, a lot of tight angles and options to come in

[trail dagger]

Yep but make gear fit in with the lore, store robbers wouldn't be able to put traps on their doors but they sure as hell can lock them and probs wedge

[stone bay]

pvp wouldnt really need to follow lore at all, just a gamemode, + the store map would be heinous in pvp

[trail dagger]

It'd be better if they fit cuz it allows for a lot of creativity especially on the suspects side

Though lots of programming would be involved for the actual creativity to happen, not the just jam the door or put guards type creativity

Like suspects moving furniture to block doors or adding blockers to guard against mirror wands

[dry veldt]

It could have a system similar to Zero Hour, not over the top, but it does require some kind of teamwork

[trail dagger]

Maybe but knowing people, they're probably just gonna cod this game if PvP gets added

[dry veldt]

yep

[trail dagger]

Shooting at anything that moves and rushing

[novel horizon]

Sounds like a great way to lose when I set tripwires kek

[trail dagger]

Ruins the score cuz they kill civvies and automatically shoot at suspects

Not to mention they'd die a lot

I'd tolerate rushing if they can actually back up their tactics

[novel horizon]

Imagine trying to disguise yourself as a civvie to get the jump on the SWAT

It sounds like it'd be a lot of fun for the suspects if they were essentially just replacing the suspect AI, but I wonder if it'd be much fun for SWAT

[trail dagger]

Well with these rushers, that ain't a problem anymore. No uniform = bullet spray

[modern arch]

that sounds like r6 ngl

[empty ember]

Sometimes I'll queue a door breach for one of my teams, and when I execute they leave the door and just walk over to me

[halcyon mountain]

is vortex neccesary for mods? because I hear alot of people talk about how crucial loading orders are but i only manually install mods

[sharp geyser]

no it isn't

if you mean the mod manager, no, you can download the mods manually

[light warren]

add snipers to Ready or Not, dont start bothering with mods, there is actually no mod that turns RoN guns into snipers

and mods that want to replicate snipers dont modify bullets trails or precision, so still being a mp5 shooting 300m away from my suspect

[strong sonnet]

rdr2 sucks

[buoyant atlas]

Not

[umbral oar]

rdr2 not sucks

[lavish loom]

Is anyone else having problems with multiplayer?

[true hare]

if you run non lethal does it give a higher chance of S tier?

[true panther]

It's pretty much the only way to get an S-tier, incapacitating or killing any suspects will make it only possible to get up to an A+.

Beanbag shotgun is very good for getting compliance and has great ammo efficiency but you run the risk of accidentally headshotting people, pepper guns have 0 chance of hurting anyone but you'll burn through a lot of ammo, it's also a little easier to deal some collateral pepper to civilians than to accidentally beanbag one.

[frail quartz]

Note that the beanbag shotgun also has a lot more stopping power than the pepperball launcher since suspects are still able to stumble around while they're gassed

It is a lot more forgiving if you happen to miss though, unlike the beanbag shotgun which requires you to chamber another round before you fire again

[true panther]

There's really a lot of pros and cons to both, playing the beanbag shotgun for a while will make you wish you could just spray and pray with pepperballs until you swap over and after a while you get infuriated that every suspect takes 50 pepperballs to surrender so you swap back.

[true hare]

Yeah because im trying to get an S tier on the mail mission with the mail ( i forgot the name) and its feels nearly impossible to do it with the ai so I was wondering if you can still achieve S tier using letha;

[true panther]

Try getting a multiplayer lobby to do a non-lethal clear on that mission, it'll be harder in different ways but it might be the way forward if you're struggling to do it with the AI.

My advice is to try to save the center mail sorting area for last, trying to clear it while having suspects outside or around the fisa office makes it 10x harder. When I S-ranked it, I took the office and Jack down last after clearing everything around the center, then the center and office.

[true hare]

I will probably just carry on with the mission using lethal force and take the A but when i go for the S ill play with real people because its hard for the ai to almost understand'

[fleet haven]

Question

Whats better: Ceramic or steel plates?

[shy tulip]

Steel is slower and has spawling, but it doesn't break. Ceramic can break, but is lighter

[next olive]

ceramic

[fleet haven]

But they are both effective at stopping high caliber and FMJ?

[half crescent]

yes

[next olive]

yes

[half crescent]

also if you are hit while wearing steel, I'm pretty sure you receive more suppression (distortion or side effects)

[next olive]

i think thats because you still take damage using steel

[frail quartz]

Bullets will spall on your armor and can damage other teamates but not yourself iirc

[half crescent]

correct on all

[frail quartz]

But yeah, realistically steel would cause more kinetic energy to be transferred to you

[next olive]

no it still damages u

[frail quartz]

More than other armors?

[shy tulip]

The armor can't damage you if there is no armor to damage you

[frail quartz]

So true king 🙏

[next olive]

yes

steel is the only armor that damages you despite stopping rounds

[frail quartz]

Oh, I thought all armor only blocked a set percentage of the damage a bullet would've done to you

Maybe I'm just mixing it up with the behavior of ceramic when broken

[half crescent]

yup, steel causes noticeable blunt damage, while ceramic won't until it breaks.

[frail quartz]

While it won't block bullets anymore it will still block like 60% of the damage

[next olive]

ceramic blocks full damage until broken, and then blocks 40%
steel blocks 70% damage and never breaks

[frail quartz]

oh nvm

[half crescent]

and btw, while ceramic is probably just better... I'm still going to use steel

[frail quartz]

i was way off

[stone bay]

Tbh the only downside I’ve experienced running steel is spalling.

[half crescent]

Eh, ceramic is definitely better for people who want less variables, such as new players. Steel has spalling, speed debuffs and higher injury penalties while ceramic does not. The tradeoff is a little more survivability with steel, from what I could tell. But honestly, you can't go wrong with either.

Another thing that matters is your type of coverage and how skilled you are to actually use the armor after you put it on. If you don't properly address or face towards threats, you will get shot in the side or lower back where you have NO armor coverage if you are running light armor.

• heavy armor will can cause heavier speed debuffs due to extra plates which would be very noticeable with steel, so honestly there are a lot of considerations.

[misty snow]

they should add a retry button

[frail quartz]

Commander mode isn't meant to have a retry button besides the truck at the beginning you can use to leave early, if you want to freely retry missions, practice mode includes it

[stone stump]

splashing*

[half crescent]

thanks

[thin chasm]

i think less lethal is painfully boring but its the only way to reliably get an S-rank with how the AI behaves currently

[stoic vortex]

If I incapped a suspect but dont restrain him, will he get back up?

[crude prism]

Specifically, if they are incapacitated, no. ||(dizzy icon)||

BUT suspects can fake being dead. ||(skull icon, no blood puddle)||

[thin chasm]

and if the AI doesn't report a dead suspect they're probably faking

[empty ember]

Is there an option or mod to change the size of the dot on red dot sights? Because some of them are kinda tiny

[loud vale]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3725

[delicate parcel]

here's my question for the day: what colors/camo patterns do y'all use for you and your teams?

[stoic vortex]

guess i'll diuble tap now. thanks

[rancid haven]

does the no crack for ai mod work with the new updates or no?

[queen void]

will sinous trail be a pain like ideas of march?

[loud vale]

Yes, it does.

[vocal quest]

Can anyone tell me what ironman mode is?

[delicate parcel]

you lose the save if you die

i just lost mine on valley of the dolls

[vocal quest]

Well damn

what's commander mode? sorry this is my first time playing in months last time i played was before 1.0

[fringe siren]

This is the last day of Spring and DLC was supposed to be released in Spring 2024...

[stone stump]

spring ends june 20th

[fringe siren]

According to the meteorological definition, the seasons begin on the first day of the months that include the equinoxes and solstices. In the Northern Hemisphere, for example,

spring runs from March 1 to May 31;

[stone stump]

yeah, meteorological

no one uses that

what you're looking for is astronomical

[delicate parcel]

i think it's similar in that if you lose an officer you lose that officer but if you die i don't think you lose the entire save

but then again, i haven't played a whole hell of a lot of the normal commander mode

[stone stump]

commander mode is a poor man's campaign mode

and if you turn on iron man mode there, your save will be deleted when you die

[delicate parcel]

i mostly just have a commander mode save so i can use the traits to finish my S rank runs

[safe flower]

Home Invasion😪😭

[delicate parcel]

oof. back up to the mission i lost my last save on

[near steppe]

me when I full auto someone and they die

[cold rune]

I had no clue they even were making dlc until like 10m ago

I just got the game like 6 days ago and already sunk about 25 hours into it and haven't even finished the game, so the fact they're going to add even MORE missions is awesome

[stone stump]

would be cool if they finish the game first

[cold rune]

I never understood the ai complaints

I went to the mod menu before even playing the first mission, downloaded the first ai improvement mod I saw and I haven't gotten a single issue with ai at all

[stone stump]

it's clearly not realistic for one

[stone stump]

[cold rune]

I've never been shot through walls, snapped onto, etc

The only issue I've had is sometimes my squad will block a tight hallway

[stone stump]

these specific complaints are made by people who clearly deserved to be shot (in game)

[cold rune]

And I've gotten through most of the game, I'm on the hospital level

[stone stump]

but the AI does react, move, see faster than you

[cold rune]

Honestly the only time I felt the ai was unfair was sins of the father

[stone stump]

and they shoot you on sight, which rarely happens in real life

[cold rune]

Even then to be fair that's the mission where you go against literal secret service agents, and not random crooks, meth heads, or mediocre security guards

[cold rune]

Well they kinda are domestic terrorists

[stone stump]

not all maps are like that

only like 4

[cold rune]

And in lore the Sec Serv agents appear to be way more brutal and uncaring compared to the rest of the left behind

They actively shoot innocent people and were about to execute the senator's family, meanwhile the dudes on the first left behind mission were oddly apologetic when getting arrested and seemed way less confrontational

[stone stump]

they don't

only the elephant has active shooters

[cold rune]

I mean like the already dead hotel employees

For some reason suspects almost never shoot civilians on any map

[stone stump]

that's because they don't except for one map

[cold rune]

Despite them often being there to kill

[cold rune]

On the hospital and nightclub map the supposed terrorists would just kinda stand around next to civilians

Even on Elephant the "school shooters" would just target you

[stone stump]

wrong

they have a timer before they start shooting civs

[cold rune]

Well that's kinda lame

[stone stump]

otherwise it would be hard to s rank without constant restarts

[cold rune]

The couple of times I did elephant I always was able to clear out the shooters pretty quick

[cold rune]

I feel like for active shooter maps they should have a different type of objective concerning civilians

[stone stump]

probably

but you have to keep in mind that the devs still haven't fixed the secondary entry option on brisa cove

~6 months btw

[cold rune]

I get it'd be extremely morbid to actively have shooters gunning down civilians, but idk, having the civilian objective be more like a "save as many as you can" instead of a "save ALL of them" would make more sense

[granite trout]

Don’t die*

[stone stump]

i mean s ranking sucks and makes no sense in general

[cold rune]

You'd have alot less moments where there are supposedly bloodthirsty mass shooters running past civilians

[stone stump]

technically hostages can indirectly help suspects

and force the swat to go slower

[cold rune]

Yeah but I don't think the school shooters with timed bombs care about that

[cold rune]

Fair, they do kinda wanna avoid too much fast paced COD type stuff

[stone stump]

yeah, and they do shoot civilians there

[stone stump]

no, they don't

[cold rune]

Idk I just feel like there's something more they could add for the mass shooter/ terrorist levels

[stone stump]

the ai behavior encourages going loud and fast

if you go slow you'll be flanked

[cold rune]

Honestly I've rarely gotten genuinely flanked

I tend to split my guys up alot so that might be why

[earnest phoenix]

so kind of the shooters to wait and do nothing for multiple minutes in the middle of a school shooting so that swat can come in and play hero 😇 😊 🙏

[cold rune]

And its not like the game doesn't have its share of really fucked up stuff

[stone stump]

my autistic ass will never understand what's so fucked up in the game

[granite trout]

Underage 18+ content and human trafficking

[cold rune]

Granted its mostly in environmental details, but I mean cmon, the entire night club mission exists, the concept of a SCHOOL SHOOTER LEVEL is taboo to basically almost every game

I feel like people getting shot by someone other than the good guys isn't out of the question

[stone stump]

it's a college shooting, so they're adults, and it's "ok" to shoot adults in video games

[cold rune]

It's less the violence and more the depraved stuff

Like going into the basement in Voll's house and seeing the barrels and children's clothes

[delicate parcel]

i could see it making sense if the civilians were more well hidden. you could implement some kind of hidden timer where when it runs out the shooters start "finding" the hiding civvies

but then i'd also have to go looking for them. and i hate doing that

[stone stump]

does that make people anxious?

[earnest phoenix]

its already in the game in a way

[cold rune]

It's not something often explored in like, anything

[delicate parcel]

sort of. i mostly just think it can be improved upon

[cold rune]

Honestly part of why I love ready or not so much is how it literally will throw some crazy shit into a mission that makes me completely change gears on how I'm going to continue it

Aw man

It deleted my thing

Well long story short, I went into one mission trying to be nice, non lethal and understanding, and after losing an officer finished it having gunned down almost everyone with a gun and both named suspects

The lady cult mission

[delicate parcel]

for me it's environmental details. i ran port for the first time the other day and that one storage container made me forget about less lethal real quick

[cold rune]

They seemed like they had a kinda good idea and then the crazy cult shit started appearing and I lost a guy to a booby trap and I re-read one of the suspect bios and gave up on trying to take them in nicely

[cold rune]

I haven't gotten to port yet but I heard about the containers

I thought brixley's was fucked up with implications of what he did to the kids and the moms, but once I got to the basement of Voll's house, I was genuinely shocked

[hexed leaf]

the 'belly of the beast' is pure nightmare fuel

[cold rune]

I'm a HUGE true crime guy, I love police stuff, I've watched every episode of forensic files, I know like all the crazy fucked up serial killers and murder cases, and seeing RON feature some of the most fucked up true crime situations in the game was crazy

Child murder and all the other nasty kid business is like a huge no no in almost all media

[cold rune]

Ooo which level is that

Oh wait that's a movie

That'd be a kick ass level name though

Maybe for like a future dlc where you raid some epstien type shit

Voll is supposedly the supplier to even more shadowy crazy kid loving people

[hexed leaf]

it's the name of an area in the port level

[cold rune]

Aw well I haven't done that one yet

Port is the last level atm right?

I'm still on the hospital

[delicate parcel]

oof, the hospital is rough

[hexed leaf]

I won't say anything about it then

[hexed leaf]

yes

[cold rune]

I got my head taken off by a Hand dude twice from atleast 2 rooms away just because both sets of doors were open

[cold rune]

Mhm

Both times I've only made it to the 2nd floor

Sins of the father was the hardest

[near steppe]

where is the container of weapons in the hide and seek mission?

[hexed leaf]

I think it's randomized each time you play

[near steppe]

nevermind I found it

[delicate parcel]

i can't for the life of me remember which one hide and seek is

[cold rune]

Last mission according to Google

[near steppe]

the game said orange container with weapons so naturally I look for an orange container

[cold rune]

The port

[near steppe]

and guess what? the weapons were not in a orange container but rather a yellow one

[delicate parcel]

oh, yeah, the port. i can never remember the mission title

[cold rune]

I can only remember like 3 mission titles lmao

[hexed leaf]

don't they have the Spider's symbol on them?

[near steppe]

who the fuck did the writing for this game 💀

[cold rune]

I just say the map

[near steppe]

yeah it does but it's a inconsistency

[delicate parcel]

i mostly just remember the ones that regularly kicked my ass at one point

[hexed leaf]

they look orange to me

[cold rune]

Sins of the father, thank you come again, and 23 megabytes per second are the only names I can remember

Oh and sinuous trail

I just use thank you come again as a mood reset for my squad

[near steppe]

anyway mission done

two of my squad mates died because they don't know what the concept of cover is

thank you ready or not devs for making such great ai

[cold rune]

I've only had one guy die so far and it was from a booby trap

[delicate parcel]

if your squadmates know not to walk into rooms facing backwards then they're leaps and bounds ahead of mine

[cold rune]

My guys only ever get injured before immediately blowing the head off of whoever shot them

[near steppe]

swat 4 ai is a lot more advanced than this 2023 crap

[hexed leaf]

2024 🤓

[near steppe]

the game was released in 2023

[cold rune]

My advice would be to go to the mod menu in the game and download one of the ai mods

[delicate parcel]

or plant themselves firmly into danger zones to tie up a guy who has already been lobotomized thrice over and secure his makarov

or walk the long way around the map to get to the door the squad is standing next to

[near steppe]

I should not have to download mods to fix a game

[cold rune]

There's like 2 or 3 ai mods listed in the in-game mod thing, and I downloaded the first one I saw and have yet to ever have any of the ai problems I hear people have

[cold rune]

True

True

[near steppe]

that's it? that's the final mission of ready or not?

[cold rune]

So far yes

[near steppe]

that was, wow
very anti climatic

[cold rune]

Well there's gonna be more

And the missions aren't in timeline order anyway

[near steppe]

this game is very clearly early access

I don't know why it was advertised as a complete game

[delicate parcel]

i thought it kind of tied some plot points together while also hinting at some new ones. i'm wondering if the squad is going to somehow go after corrupt feds or something

[cold rune]

There's like 3 or 4 different story lines that the missions take place in that all have loose connections

[near steppe]

I thought a secret mission would open up if I left the container with the women open but nope, nothing happens

I'm shocked

[hexed leaf]

[delicate parcel]

dude i wish. it would be the perfect way to introduce some kind of mechanic where you can make choices within the missions

[near steppe]

so much for being a realistic swat simulator

this game is very clearly in early access, it's gonna need a lot of time to patch up a lot

At it's current state it is not worth $40, maybe $25

that's my personal opinion though

[cold rune]

DAMNIT

Deleted it again

[delicate parcel]

dude, i just want the training area back in the police station. i've been trying to teach people different ways to clear rooms but i have to like, almost clear a mission and then demonstrate on the rooms there

[near steppe]

*advertises itself as a complete game

It doesn't have the early access title nor does it say it's in beta

[hexed leaf]

we have a training area in the station.

[near steppe]

It's charging $80 for essentially a incomplete game

[delicate parcel]

i looked and couldn't find it. is it available in a multiplayer lobby?

[cold rune]

Basically there's 5 story lines in the game that all happen at different times but all the missions are kinda jumbled together one after another which makes following the timeline hard

[stone stump]

alpha*

[stone stump]

it's $50 though?

[cold rune]

EIGHTY DOLLARS?

where tf are you guys buying this from

[hexed leaf]

down the basement to the left. maybe you haven't unlocked it yet or something

[cold rune]

Dude i got it for like uhhh 26 I think

Always wait for games to go on sale on steam

Almost no game is worth a $60 price tag

[delicate parcel]

i've completed all the missions. it's probably just that i'm missing it

[cold rune]

It should be the big ass downwards staircase

Theres a cop in a chair sitting next to it

Next to the detectives room

[near steppe]

australia

[cold rune]

I hope they actually do something with the station

It's fun to unlock the rooms after missions until you realize 70% of them do nothing

[near steppe]

oh well, I'm gonna try out multiplayer, I hope it's fun

[hexed leaf]

watch out for WatchMenWakeUpOnYT lol

[near steppe]

wut

[delicate parcel]

found it. i'm just a little dumb

[cold rune]

Giving my guy a hot chocolate after each mission is fun and all but kinda gets old when the only other things in the station are loadout changing stations or two rooms where you can use your gun

There's like 7 different places to change your loadout

[delicate parcel]

if only they put a big ass glowing sign on top of a massive staircase indicating some kind of training area /j

[cold rune]

Lmao

[near steppe]

I'm wondering why we are allowed to carry a loaded firearm through the police station on off duty

oh wait, america

[cold rune]

It would be cool if you could use that little machine in the holding cell room to read the bio of everyone you've arrested

You could see their charges and stuff

[delicate parcel]

every once in a while i go and laugh at the streamer in the fetal position on the holding cell floor

[cold rune]

They shipped him off in my game

Now its just pedophiles, some gang members, female cultists, and the Asian kid that 3d printed guns

Brixley is really living it up in my jail cell

Even though he never actually was arrested in my playthrough of his level

He tried to take on a full squad of swat officers with a revolver

[delicate parcel]

tried to activate deadeye

[cold rune]

My entire ai squad lit him up before I could even tell him to get down

I didn't even know it was him until after the mission ended

He died that quickly and unceremoniously

A small detail that would be nice is like a special call in whenever you down, arrest, or kill a named suspect

That way you actually know you got them without having to pull out your little chest tablet

[delicate parcel]

i'd like to imagine the one for killing a named suspect is just "dumbass."

[cold rune]

The game need ALOT of polish

Superficially, it's very fun and already an amazing experience that genuinely immerses me and looks amazing even on the lowest settings, but it just needs that extra polish to really finish it

There's big details obviously like the ai and shit

I heard they're gonna add cops to the outside of maps

So it looks like you're actually heading into a cordoned off area, and not like everyone ran away and just left the 5 member SWAT squad to fix it

Honestly, even though its not even fully finished, the game is already so good that I can let some of the more unfinished and unpolished parts of the game slide

It just gets me excited for how much better the game is gonna get

[near steppe]

the games writing actively contradicts itself

[copper moon]

how to ides of march

[calm jacinth]

wdym? how do u usually die?

[copper moon]

wallbanged usually

[river tide]

so wallbang them back

[jolly verge]

whats your current loadout?

[copper moon]

alot of flashbang, sks with laser

light armor

[jolly verge]

vks you mean? you trying to S?

[copper moon]

nah i just keep dying

and also how do i tell if theres IED in a door, i used the optiwand and i thought it was clear but i blew up

[jolly verge]

peek door and check if there a wire

[copper moon]

ohh

[jolly verge]

take full coverage heavy ceramic vest, you will survive much longer

[copper moon]

alr will try

[jolly verge]

suspects on that map wear only L2 vests, so you fine with any rifle and ammo

[near steppe]

sometimes it's in front of the door, sometimes it's not

[near steppe]

first 3 missions are fine without AP, the rest is required

[coral lava]

yeah, dont trust the Optiwand with that stuff. i´ve ran into dozens of mines because the optiwand didnt show me the wire for some reason

[jolly verge]

there are only 3 maps that need AP ammo for rifles (except 5.56) for level 4 vest, i would say 2 only, because on nightclub only 1 suspect wear level 4 armor

[wraith basin]

Do you know what armor some of the suspects use in Carriers of the vine?

[jolly verge]

L2 and L3A

civi on that map also can wear L2 vests

you can also use this spreadsheet, there are map info list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1721255639

[wraith basin]

Thanks!

[coral lava]

omfg the way I hate Valley of the Dolls

[fossil palm]

noap

Clearly the don't have anything to share just yet... let em cook

[stark hollow]

/soon/

[hexed leaf]

there is so much impatience in this community sometimes

[stark hollow]

cael is cool

nicer than most of the people asking where the updates are

[hexed leaf]

oh for sure

thats a fair take

I will say I was a little bit shocked when I first saw their 2024 roadmap, cuz it sounds a *little * bit ambitious to get so much stuff out, especially within the timespan of a few months

[oak copper]

when pvp?

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-cicierega-lemon-demon-this-mf-spittin-gif-18094430

[river tide]

this game needs sprinting before pvp

[raven schooner]

people in this discord are delusional when it comes to talking about the quality/state of the game sometimes

this is easily the best tactical shooter available and the discord is nothing but "games not good enough because of x y and z"

[river tide]

they just can’t appreciate it, they have to complain

ready or not pvp doesn’t even make sense lore wise

[raven schooner]

i saw someone in here say zero hour was better than ready or not

most insane take ive ever seen

[stone bay]

Same. PVP would fuck up the balance.

[stone bay]

Dang finding group that doesnt requirr 18+ and mic is very hard

[icy wraith]

exactly. This being the best there is yet will never protect it from due criticism.
The best could, and will, be still better

[half crescent]

jug do you have any insights about the popular AI mods? There are tons and tons like (for example) Reds, Astrals, Here I Come, and of course yours - jugs. Is there one you would consider the most realistic based on your experience?

[stone bay]

jugs is best for realism

[empty ember]

It's wild that the devs added a short-barreled AK in 7.62 instead of 5.45

[sharp geyser]

SLR crying on the corner

[empty ember]

Also, what's y'all's preference, 5.56 or 300 blackout

[lilac cape]

should you use direct 11 or 12 for ready or not

[jolly verge]

whats your pc specs?

[stone bay]

how so? 5.45 is heaps more expensive than 7.62

not to mention despite 5.45 being an "armor penetrating" round the Russian military is reverting back to 7.62 as they found 5.45 to lack stopping power

same reason the US is moving to 6mm instead of 5.56

[lilac cape]

GPU: amd rx 6700 xt
CPU: amd ryzen 7 5700g
16gb of memory

[jolly verge]

dx12 for sure

[lilac cape]

okay thanks

[icy wraith]

i've never played with any other AI mod, so i really don't know. I consider RoN with my AI mod the most realistic cqb experience i have ever had in 20 years, so that's all i can say. I continuously refine some parameters on the mod, so it's been thoroughly playtested. It's very rare to experience wonkyness in it, and even when i do, it can always be a suspect's lucky day. It's that rare.

[river tide]

just talk then buy a mic it’s so worth it

[icy wraith]

there's a lot of room to improve still, especially in terms of suspects coordinated efforts, but even in that case you can still exprience somewhat realistic situations with the mod, given the fact they will notice your audible presence from farther than vanilla. Also, kudos to the devs, for the actual noises made by your weapon make that much of a difference in detection.

btw, i'd like to mention BAX's AI mod. He helped me with the audible detection radius and was a good reference to me

[stone bay]

i wish suppresors would influence detection distance

obviously not by a lot but shorten it to like 90-95%

[icy wraith]

i believe the 'problem' is the audio file, not the suppressor. Because the devs wanted to be 'realistic', they made all suppressed guns quite loud.

[crude prism]

Suppressors already halve the stress impact in vanilla, which is 'kinda' the same thing, as it will take double the shots to actually alert suspects

[stone bay]

didnt know that

[stone bay]

i actually really like the suppressor sound fx

[icy wraith]

but when i play with the 'super quiet' gun i made, you can actually surprise the enemy

[stone bay]

its cool how they made the subsonic chambered weapons noticably more quiet

[icy wraith]

so, i really think the detection system takes the real sound in the game world as reference, which is awesome

[stone bay]

well that explains why my .458 SOCOM alerts the entire map lol

[half crescent]

noted, thanks for the response 👍

[icy wraith]

np 😉

[dim cliff]

Any idea when the home invasion update is

[prime wing]

Before june 20

[dim cliff]

Right cheers

[prime wing]

Unless delayed

[dim cliff]

I wonder is dark places would work like smoke closer you get to light more visible you'll be

[crude prism]

Have you tested this in MP with freecam at all?

I believe that the system works as follows:

-Gunshots can be heard UP TO 20m (2000 units)
-Using 'quieter' weapons does impact the range at which you are heard, but in vanilla it's like 17m for suppressed vs 20m

[stone bay]

pick a date between now and the end of time

(it wont be that date)

[dim cliff]

Hahaha really I guess they got a lot of work then

[stone bay]

they sure are taking their time with it so it will probably be pretty good

[dim cliff]

Hopefully better than the full release update 😬

[stone bay]

heres hoping

[copper cypress]

At present, the easiest way to increase the stress level of suspects is to let them see arrested/dead suspects or civilians?

I just played sins of the father, and each of the suspects didn't see their companions or civilians being arrested or killed. As a result, almost no one has a high ready state lol

[dim cliff]

So what your saying is war crimes is way to go

[copper cypress]

what

[stone bay]

uh

[half crescent]

Probably, I don't have any data on it though. C2 probably works as well.

[stone bay]

thats a little morbid

maybe just shoot and yell at them instead lol

[lilac cape]

whats a realistic fov for ron

[dim cliff]

So kill everyone even by standers no witnesses

[umbral oar]

Prolly like 180

[stone bay]

it doesnt go that high lol 180 would be suuuper fisheyed

100-110 seems to be pretty good

[umbral oar]

but 180 is realism…

[icy wraith]

no it isn't. in fact FOV in games is a very interesting debate. We are looking at the world through a screen and the distance between the center of our eyes and the borders of the screen will tell you the 'realistic' FOV for a game. The problem is that it won't show much of the world so that you can actually function in it, so you'll need to adjust. BUT, if you increase too much, you will be compressing a large angle of the world into a very small geometric angle and that will completely destroy your ability to detect and engage targets at a distance! everything will appear much more distant than it would IRL.
So, the best FOV setting for a 3d game will be the smallest one that you're comfortable playing in.

[umbral oar]

ok i’m just gonna stop talking

[icy wraith]

oh, i'm not trying to argue or anything, it's just a debate that i consider really interesting. The important thing is to have an immersive experience and the smaller leap the brain has to make to believe what it sees, the more immersive it will be 😉

[half crescent]

I Can't wait to try VR

thing is that I always spend a lot to get stuff built to last

and with vr... that can be problematic

personally with ready or not, the highest FOV works for me. Other games, it can be way too extreme.

[oak copper]

I dont remember swat 4 having a sprint buttom

[craggy yew]

damn neon tomb non lethal hard

[river tide]

swat 4 is ass

[oak copper]

I'll eat that ass then

[river tide]

if you insist

[icy wraith]

SWAT 4 didn't. But it was also a very different game. And much better balanced for what it proposed itself to be. RoN offers way more realistic firefights than Swat4 (only talking about combat here) and in this case sprint is necessary.

[azure nova]

hi, is there a way to disable automatic restrain for swat ai teammates?
maybe some mods?

[spring hornet]

Unfortunately no, maybe a mod but vanilla game there isn't

[icy wraith]

movement in RoN feels crippled compared to the way it challenges the player with combat. In a way, there's only one 'right' way to play it and it's a bang&clear simulator, which i consider very boring in gameplay terms. Those 2 aspects, AI and movement were the most important reasons why i created my mods.

[upbeat heath]

there is a toc_legacy folder for toc voice lines with deeper voice
how do i use it as the default

[fiery moth]

I would say 200 for sure

The character just holds the guns at an unrealistic distance relative to the face

[icy wraith]

rename the folder to 'toc'. and rename 'toc' to something.

[upbeat heath]

120 fov makes it too long already
180 fov would make you gun taller that ne birch khalifa

[upbeat heath]

i deleted the normal toc oflder and renamed the legacy one
it doesnt have roe violation lines sadly

[icy wraith]

i play with 80 degrees and i love it lol

[upbeat heath]

i use 90

all we need for the next ron update would be the active ragdolls that got removed after 1.0

iw ant the bodies to twitch around😭

[frail quartz]

Imagine if they made them still make noises while they're down too

Totally not for any sadistic reasons or anything it's just for immersion, yknow 👍

[mortal sparrow]

If 1 ai shoots another ai can we no longer s tier the mission?

[stone bay]

let me silence their "noises" with a headshot pls

[frail quartz]

That'd probably stop the "choking on their own blood" noises but you'd still probably get one final death rattle

[stone bay]

its the screaming from the russian dudes on port thats annoying

i have to fkn dismember them to make it stop

[frail quartz]

"Ugh stop reminding me of the consequences of my actions smh"

[stone bay]

LOL i mean theyre already dead not incapacitated

[icy wraith]

it's bad that dead checks work only half the time.

[frail quartz]

Am I the only one who hopes that suspects are only faking death so I can get a better score?

[stone bay]

yeah its weird. i noticed if theyre dead and making noises you just have to wait for them to stop. if theyre incapacitated and making noises a headshot does actually stop it

[stone bay]

yeah i play ready or not like a milsim i could not care less about score 🤣

[buoyant canopy]

So I'm playing the tutorial and I'm at the part where u need to split up blue team and red team on different doors.
I need to queue orders on both teams but they show grey in the command menu
What do I do?

[nimble cave]

shift when giving orders

[buoyant canopy]

Yea but it's still showing grey, can't press it

[nimble cave]

you choose the color with scroll wheel and you need to point at the area (door) you want them to enter

[icy wraith]

yeah, i don't exactly play it like a milsim, but i understand that the world has gone to shit so much that urban LE has devolved into open combat. That's the reality in my country's Favelas, and it can become it in some american cities. I even created a whole story justifying that approach

[nimble cave]

do that to red and blue, after that change to yellow and click z (execute )

[stone bay]

It definitely helps the story more thinking of it that way

[icy wraith]

one thing is certain - with that level of violence and vicousness from criminals, it's a no-brainer to play full lethal.

[buoyant canopy]

I'm doing exactly what you're telling me and what the tutorial is telling me but like the "OPEN" options in the command menus are still showing grey, I can't press em

[icy wraith]

yep. https://youtu.be/4itxs2O4Stw

[stone bay]

I mean this dude doesnt really look like he cares about non-lethal options lol #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[nimble cave]

can you send me a screenshot of your game ?

[buoyant canopy]

dms

[umbral oar]

325 maybe

[buoyant canopy]

Well this is fun, RON crashed right as I completed thank you come again

deleting all my data

not that I had any of that

[opaque birch]

max fov

[dim cliff]

is the detection changes update gonna roll out with the home invasion dlc or a mid patch

[teal lion]

why does the car dealership ai have such good aim for no fucking reason

they could be all the way at the end of the alley and im peaking through a doorway and they hit a head shot

ive died three times in the same place by the same asshole

[shy tulip]

I believe they call that insanity

Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results

[wraith basin]

Did I ever tell you-

[teal lion]

this is so much harder than greased palms oml

[icy wraith]

because most AI values, especially the map variations of, have not been thoroughly tested by the devs. They changed the values thinking they'd do 'something', but more often then not, they go way over the top on that 'thing'

[teal lion]

i genuinely cannot beat this mission no matter how many tries i do

how many enemy combatants are there

if u know

[icy wraith]

not sure. 15+ i believe

[teal lion]

they made a good job making it feel like theres way more than that

[shy tulip]

I found it pretty easy compared to most maps, there's not a lot of cover, which works both ways

Just clear with your team and you'll be fine

[icy wraith]

yeah, but then you're not 'playing the game', you're watching the game play itself. lol

[shy tulip]

Not when you're at the front of the pack, as you should

Though if you really want to be cheesy, sure, just send the AI team in

[teal lion]

people keep tellinf me that but i dont understand what that means, your still commander and have to stage the attack, your clearing duo and the long range duo get pummeled breaching rooms even with cs gas

i dont understand how to do that

without all of them dying immediately

[shy tulip]

It's an art form, I'd pick your own style. For the most part I clear with the entire team, but if it's a small room, I have one team go in. I don't let them go beyond that though

[teal lion]

especially at that place below the indoor staircase between the kirchen and in the offive

[shy tulip]

You shouldn't be having them try to clear vast chunks by themselves, especially because there is a range where they'll wait for you to catch up

[teal lion]

alright im going back in wish me luck

[half crescent]

Clear the perimeter first, and secure all entrances / exits (use wedges) then procedurally clear room by room, listening and looking for threats.

[teal lion]

will try thank you

[shy tulip]

Yeah I usually start with like the garage area, especially if you can catch those suspects off guard

[opaque birch]

open door throw gas in door kill people inside rinse and repeat

use sa58

[teal lion]

is that gun like the ga416

sorry im kinda new this my first playthrough

[opaque birch]

no its like the fal

it solos every other gun in the game

[teal lion]

it got some kick to it i like it

[opaque birch]

yeahhh thats that 762 vro

also based frank ocean pfp i fw blonde

[teal lion]

ty man

alright ima replan my attack and start thank all

[empty ember]

I just opened a booby trapped door at the end of a mission after completing all objectives
Fuck

[frail quartz]

I had that happen to me the first time I was at the literal end of Brisa Cove after dozens of failed attempts

That was pre-1.0 though

[supple rune]

I think I’m the happiest I’ve ever been I completed Greased Palms after God knows how many tries and got a fucking A
Only missed the FISA office (don’t really know how I forgot that lmao)

[hexed mirage]

For the hanged man achievement is it just you that can only use tasers and flash bangs or your whole team?

[umbral oar]

just you

[true hare]

does anyone have tips for greased palms the map feels so hard to complete because every time i get into a shootout the suspects arms go through the box and hit me through 1 pixel

[hexed mirage]

I got the achievement! Thanks!

[umbral oar]

ope

[hexed mirage]

I've now completed this game twice, 1 in normal 1 in ironman

Took me 6 attempts to complete it in iron man XD

[next olive]

try not to get into protracted gunfights by the loading docks as that is a pretty killer space for getting lit up by 5 suspects at once
going around the outside usually works better

[still sorrel]

how do i edit loadout order

[true hare]

go to swat unit or the armory in headquarters

[still sorrel]

is there a file where i can move them around?

[wooden eagle]

hi guys kinda new to this game anyone wants to play multiplayer?

[stone bay]

anyone got news for the House Invasion update? Roadmap said Spring and it's coming up Summer tomorrow

[shy tulip]

#🔎looking-for-players

[shy tulip]

Soon™️

I think Spring ends in June for some region, idk, America moment

[stone bay]

trash

[empty ember]

How well can my ai squadmates see in the dark without NVGs

[stone bay]

Summer starts in May for me. Spring starts early and ends late depending on location.

[shy tulip]

Just fine

But you must give them NVG, because tacticool

[empty ember]

Of course

[shy tulip]

flashlights + NVG does kinda go hard

Even if it defeats the point (game wise)

[empty ember]

Nah I'm going with ir lasers

I accidentally killed a civilian, in my defense, his head was right in front of the guy shooting at me

I should be allowed to posthumously declare any civilian as an enemy combatant

[teal lion]

YES I BEAT IT

[edgy linden]

Kevlar stab vest go vrooom

[timid comet]

i cannot single player

so confusing to command a team

[shy tulip]

What's confusing

[timid comet]

the whole commanding aspect

just did gas by myself slow and steady and managed to do it first try, while with an AI squad coulnd't complete it even

[shy tulip]

There is no green text on the top left in the default game, that's an external software

[timid comet]

possibly steam fps

[shy tulip]

You can play just like that and they will follow you, I don't find myself using the commands all the time, unless I feel funny/cool.

The commands are pretty straight forward, you just gotta learn when to use em mainly

[timid comet]

fair enough, i found em weird

and playing by myself seemed to work

just gotta take it slow

[timid comet]

also is there any way to start the mission with a weapon in full auto?

or are they always semi and just gotta always click the button?

[shy tulip]

No, you have to swap it at the start to my knowledge

[timid comet]

gotcha, no big deal then

[teal lion]

is the hospital as big as it seems

[buoyant pecan]

Ngl

To this day I have no idea how to turn on the lights on guns

[buoyant pecan]

It is annoyingly big. I failed that mission so many times

[teal lion]

i changed the binds to one of my mouse buttons trust me get that done it helps so much to have a flashlight on missions

[teal lion]

fun

[umbral oar]

its the thumb mouse button by default